1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: your host, Arizona Cardinals announcer ESPN broadcaster Dave Pash. Our 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: guest this week is our twenty seventh and year one 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: of the Dave Pash Podcast, and it's JJ Reddick, who 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: was one of the great college basketball players of all time. 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Terrific NBA player, fifteen years in the league, currently a 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: podcaster as well as an analyst for ESPN on several platforms. 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: One of the reasons I wanted to get Jj on 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: was on the heels of Duke's run to the Final four. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: Wanted to get JJ's thoughts on Mike Shashevsky's final season, 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: what coach k meant to JJ, his thoughts on Duke 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: going forward. I was around him for four years. I 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: never saw him have a bad day and that was 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: the biggest lesson that I learned from him, as well 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: as being adaptable, and by adaptability as a coach, I 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: mean year to year, he was willing to work with 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: what he had. We'll also talk about the NBA Playoffs 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: and all the awards that will be announced here in 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: the next few weeks, specifically with regard to the Phoenix Suns. 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Where does Devin Booker fit into the MVP conversation? What 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: about Monny Williams for Coach of the Year. 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Next Step. 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: Here's our guest on this week's Dave Pash Podcast episode, 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: JJ Redick. So, JJ, Since the last time I saw you, 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: I watched Tenant again and I still can and figure 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: it out. And you're telling me that Robert Pattinson is 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: at his name, the lead actor who just played the 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: lead and the Batman, which was really good, by the way, 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: So you're telling me he's supposed to be the son 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: because I still can't figure it out. And now I 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: need to go back and watch it again, but I 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: get more and more frustrated every time I watch it. 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: So the prevailing one of the prevailing fan theories about 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: the movie is that Neil played by Robert Pattinson, is 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: actually Max, and Max, of course, is the young son 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: of Kat. And when I like something, I just deep dive. 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: And we've talked about this when we did our games 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: together in March. But in anything I do in life, 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: when I like it, it's just becomes an obsessive deep dive. 48 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: So not only did I watch Tenant I think six 49 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: times in the first ten days it came out, but 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: I spent hours on YouTube watching fan theory videos and 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: spend some time on Reddit of course. But yeah, that's 52 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how I operate my life. Unfortunately, I 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: don't do that with everything. It's just the things that 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm really into. And one of those things that I'm 55 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: really into is Christopher Nolan movies. Well, the way he 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: does the movies, it makes you think, and it makes 57 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: you question it, and then you watch it again and 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: you question the theory that you came up with. Like Inception, 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: it seems like it's one or two things either it 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: was a dream the entire time or it was real. 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: But Tenant, there can be like ten different theories about 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: who is playing who and what's actually happening. Like I 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: thought the first time I saw it that he dies, 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: like when they show Tenant, you know, that's when they're 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: pulling his teeth out, And I thought it died, And 66 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: this was just again some state that he's in, you know, 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: maybe on his deathbed. And I know Interstellar is your favorite, 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: right because that's what you have on your emoji for Twitter. 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: My advata, yes digital avatar is is a picture of 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey and his space suit. Um. Yeah, Interstellar is 71 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: my favorite Nolan movie. I I when Inception first came out, 72 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: that sort of was it for me, And I look, 73 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I was a fan of all of the Batman movies, 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: specifically The Dark Knight, the second one in the trilogy 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: that Nolan did. Prestigi is amazing, Mementos, amazing m But 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's Interstellar. And I always say this, like, 77 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: to me, it's the greatest combination of storytelling science And 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: obviously you can argue whether not the science is real, 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: but science and then the visual effects you know, and 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: to some degree, you can't beat that soundtrack. There's some 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: moments where the music and what you're what you're seeing, 82 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: the auditory and visual experience, the combination of both those 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: scenes are just they're chilling. Man. It's I just I 84 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 1: just love that movie. I'm very passionate about it. Well, 85 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: this is technically a football podcast, but we have had 86 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: JJ as I told you, a number of basketball related guests. 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: We've had an actor on, We've had Frank kelliendo on. 88 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: But every time we have somebody on that's either not 89 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: connected to football directly or has no connection whatsoever to football, 90 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: I still at least ask who your team was growing up. 91 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: And I think I know the answer to this one. 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: If you played football. I think I remember you said 93 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: something about your parents wouldn't let you. Then they eventually 94 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: did and you broke your wrists you couldn't play anymore. 95 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, it's so I had asked them 96 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: my whole childhood. Once I started playing sports, started playing sports. 97 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: When I was eight, I got into baseball, I got 98 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: into basketball, and I was like, I can I play football? 99 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: My friends play football? Can play football? And they I 100 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: was very frail. I was very skinny, and they said no, 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: and they said no, And then the summer between seventh 102 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: and eighth grade they said I could play football well 103 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: at nationals that year, I got undercut and I broke 104 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: my right wrist. And right when school started, I was 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: going to go out for the football team, and I 106 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: was playing pick up and I broke my left wrist 107 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: getting undercut on the basketball court. So that pretty much 108 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: ended my football career. But I was gonna go play 109 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver. That was what I was going to play. 110 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: We already had a really good quarterback. My high school 111 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: randomly had this two year stretch to class above me 112 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: and then my class where we had a ton of 113 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: Division one athletes. We were a relatively small public school 114 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: in Ronoke, Virginia, but we had multiple ACC athletes, a 115 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: number of low D one football players. We actually had 116 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: an ACA player that played a wake Forest. But we 117 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: just had this influx of high level Division one athletes, 118 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: and I think I think I would have been fine 119 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: in football. I don't think I would have continued to 120 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: play football throughout high school because because I would have 121 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: gotten so many chiefs, somebody was going to try to 122 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: take me out. Because at that point by the end 123 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: of my freshman year in basketball, you know, I was 124 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: nationally ranked and pretty good, and you know, similar to Duke, 125 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: the other schools probably didn't like me that much, and 126 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: so somebody would have taken a dirty shot at me, 127 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: and I probably would. I probably would have quit football. 128 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: Baseball was my passion, though baseball was my passion. Really, yeah, 129 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: baseball was my passion I was. I pitched, and it 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: was the first sport I remember watching. I started watching 131 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: basketball and ninety two, that Duke team and then subsequently 132 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: that Bulls playoff run when they beat the Blazers. But 133 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: I started watching baseball the year prior, and I was 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: a huge Atlanta Braves fan. Eventually became a huge Indians 135 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: fan because of Manny Ramirez and then when he went 136 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: to the Red Sox, I started watching the Red Sox 137 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: and Pedro Martinez was my favorite pitcher. They went within 138 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: two years, they both go to the Red Sox, and 139 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: from that point on, I was a Red Sox fan. 140 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: To answer your question about football, though I never had 141 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: a team professional sports, a lot of times I just 142 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: rooted for athletes. So I would root for specific players 143 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: and run us in this weird place where you know, 144 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: we're three and a half hours from Charlotte, where four 145 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: hours from Washington, DC, So there wasn't the hometown team 146 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: that I could root for sure. Well, obviously things worked 147 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: out for you with basketball. He became one of the 148 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: greatest players in the history not only a Duke but 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: of college basketball. Leaving Duke is the all time leading scorer, 150 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: not just there but in the conference. Four year player. 151 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: I know you didn't win a championship, but you accomplished 152 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: so much there and I know how much Coach k 153 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: still means to you. It was really thrilling to watch 154 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: that run. It was a neat story for everybody, even 155 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: if you're not a Duke fan, because of what Mike 156 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: Shazowski's meant to the game to see that team go 157 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: to the Final four. What do you I'm sure you've 158 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: spoken with him, and I know you were at his 159 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: last home game, which, like the final four game, the 160 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: national semifinal game was. You know, it was a loss 161 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: in North Carolina. What do you think it meant to 162 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: him JJ to get this group in his last go 163 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: around to the final four. It was very meaningful and 164 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: coach always has he talked about it, but y'alls has 165 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: a next play, next team mentality. I was around him 166 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: for four years. I never saw him have a bad day. 167 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: That was the biggest lesson that I learned from him, 168 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: as well as being adaptable. And by adaptability as a coach, 169 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: I mean year to year, he was willing to work 170 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: with what he had. There wasn't a system, it was 171 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: how do I make this group good? And on top 172 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: of that, he was very invested in each group. And 173 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: so I know with this particular group, a very young team. 174 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Obviously Wendel Moore was a junior, but mainly playing young 175 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: players to get to the final four was a huge deal. 176 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: And the growth that they showed, you know, anytime you're 177 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: a coach and you see your team grow in a 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: period of time as they did over the last six 179 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: weeks of the season was huge. That that Michigan State 180 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: game in the to go to the Sweet sixteen, the 181 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: Texas Tech game to go to the lead eight, those 182 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: were two of the best duke wins that I've seen 183 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: in a long long time, in several years. So just 184 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: I was really proud of the group. And of course 185 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: Carolina wins the game and Cameron and they beat us 186 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: in the Final four. And by the way, I was 187 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: at the Final four game to fantastic basketball game, high 188 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: level college basketball, and it's very sad as a Duke 189 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: fan because in this rivalry for them to win probably 190 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: the two biggest games ever in that rivalry, the first 191 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: time we've met in the tournament in the final four, 192 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: potentially coaches last game turns out to be his last 193 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: game as well as his last home game. For them 194 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: to win those two games, oh, it's soul crushing. I'll 195 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: have to hear about it the rest of my life. 196 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: I certainly feel for you on that one. Well, on 197 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: the other side, I was just with Vince Carter the 198 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: other night doing the game, and he was obviously upset 199 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: about what happened Monday with them. But here's a part 200 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: of him that I think a lot of Carolina for 201 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: Carolina players and Carolina fans field the same way. Yeah, 202 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: we lost in the championship game, but you know what, 203 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: we beat Duke. Well, they can definitely hang their hat 204 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: on that. And for a team that didn't necessarily have 205 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: high expectations and ended up being an eight seed, which 206 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: turn you know, selection committee a terrible job with seating 207 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: the ACC Miami should not have been a ten seed 208 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: and Carolina should have been an eight seed, But to 209 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: be an eight seed and get to the championship game, 210 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: that that team huge accomplishment for them, big moment for 211 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: Hubert Davis, really really really really happy for him. You 212 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: know that that that rivalry, the the meaning of playing 213 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: at a school, and now John Shire will get to 214 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: go through this as Hubert's going through it right now. 215 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: That playing in that rivalry, playing for that school and 216 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: then going back and coaching and getting to beat Duke 217 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: just a huge moment for him. Huge moment. Well, as 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: you and I talked about, I've worked with so many 219 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: different analysts over the years, and one of my first 220 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: analysts on college basketball at ESPN was Hubert Davis. I 221 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: did two years with Hubert. We were doing a lot 222 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: of games out west, and he was living in Chapel 223 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: Hill and then eventually went to studio and then wanted 224 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: to get into coaching, went back working for Roy at 225 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and I was so happy for him. He's 226 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: such an encouraging guy, positive guy. You can see his 227 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: imprint on that team over the course of the season. 228 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: I got to imagine when you're struggling and you're at 229 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: a place like North Carolina and the pressure is high 230 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: and your head coach is constantly encouraging you and being positive, 231 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: and then you start to see some results. It builds confidence, 232 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like he's getting the credit held 233 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: when you take over for a legend like Roy Williams. 234 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if John Shire next year goes to 235 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: the championship game replacing Mike Shashevsky, what people will say 236 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: about him. I feel like it will be disproportionate maybe 237 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: to reality, because both jobs are incredibly hard when you 238 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: consider who you're replacing. I always felt that playing at 239 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: Duke it felt like living in a fishbowl, and at 240 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: the time, college basketball, maybe in terms of sports culture, 241 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: maybe was a little more popular just because of the 242 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: one and done era has kind of changed college basketball. 243 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: So my takeaway from this season and specifically with March Madness, 244 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: was that was one of the best tournaments period that 245 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: we've seen in a few years in terms of the upsets, 246 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: high level basketball, clutch shot making. We saw it on 247 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: the wim inside as well, a number of amazing games 248 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: that I got to watch in the women's tournament as well, 249 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: And so I think there's been a narrative around the 250 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: demise of college basketball, and I am so happy that 251 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: we're getting back to high level college basketball. And I 252 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: think when this transfer portal thing happened, oh it's going 253 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: to ruin college. But what's happened as actually is there's 254 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: older players. It's not just eighteen and nineteen year old kids, 255 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: and so you're seeing guys the added value of staying 256 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: in school and learning the game and being coached. And 257 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: then you have this influx like Hubert Davis who are 258 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: bringing modern concepts to basketball. I went on an epic 259 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: not an epic rant. Our video producer put that in 260 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: the title of the video, but I went on a 261 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: rant on the podcast this week with Kevin Durant about 262 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: what I view is as archaic strategy in college BASKETBA. 263 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: And there's such a stark difference between watching a team 264 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: that implements modern concepts offensively and defensively versus teams that don't. 265 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: And so watching UNC for me was actually a real 266 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: pleasure because I thought they ran great sets, they have 267 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: great spacing, they have shooting, they have guards that can 268 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: break you down off the dribble, a rim running big, 269 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: and then they ice everything in pick and rolls, which 270 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: is another NBA concept like we need to we need 271 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: to sort of get some more modern concepts into college basketball, 272 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: and so for a guy like Hubert Davis to bring 273 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: that into it, I think is phenomenal. Well, most of 274 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: my career at ESPN doing college basketball has been the 275 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: one and done era, and I remember doing I did 276 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Durance McDonald's All America game and then a bunch 277 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: of his games that first year at Texas. I remember 278 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: doing a game at Texas Tech when Bob Knight was 279 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: a coach there and Durant goes for thirty seven and 280 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: twenty three rebounds, and obviously he was so talented he 281 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: wasn't going to stay. Needed to go. And that's the 282 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: case with most guys that are that you know anywhere 283 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: in that same realm in terms of talent level. You 284 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: just go. And I think a lot of people like 285 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: I struggle with trying to present like every year it's 286 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: a new team every year college basketball, unless you're a 287 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: diehard Duke fan or North Carolina fan, blue chip programs 288 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: like Kentucky, Syracuse even it's you kind of bounce around 289 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: and it's hard to really get you fall in love 290 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: with Saint Peter's the coach leaves. You're not gonna remember 291 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: the players' names once they lose. And you know, back 292 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: when you played, I mean you got attached to guys, 293 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: and I know you didn't like being disliked, but there 294 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: were a lot of people that were attached to you 295 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: because they wanted to root against you, and it's really 296 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: hard to do that now in college basketball. What are 297 00:16:53,800 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: the things that people inherently enjoy about watching sports is 298 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: watching athletes grow. They grow through adversity, they grow through failure, 299 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: they grow through success, but watching growth over a three 300 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: or four year period, that's the attachment. You know, I 301 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: remember watching this kid as a freshman. Now look at 302 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: him as a senior. I remember when he rode the 303 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: bench as a freshman. Now he's starting and he's all conference. 304 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: There's something that's really enjoyable as a sports fan to 305 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: see that. We have that, of course in pro sports, 306 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: where guys have a much longer runway and we can 307 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: see that maturation and that growth. Jannis is a great 308 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: example of that. To watch him early in his career 309 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: as the number one option in the playoffs, and then 310 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: to see him last year close out of Finals with 311 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: a fifty ball in game six. There's that growth and 312 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: it's fun to root for that. And when you're seeing 313 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: guys for one season thirty games, it's it's harder to 314 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: get that attachment. And by the way, the other thing 315 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to add is I've always said that, but 316 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: guys should be able to leave out of high school 317 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: go to the pros. I really believe that. The negative 318 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: byproduct to me of the one and done era is 319 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: if you're a highly touted, highly recruited McDonald's all American, 320 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: you go to a school, there's almost an expectation or 321 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: an obligation to leave school early. We've created this sort 322 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: of demarcation line. Now it's like one and done era. Okay, 323 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I go for a year, I leave, And really it 324 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: should be culturally it should be more about you leave 325 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: when you're ready. Maybe some guys that's high school. Maybe 326 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: some guys it is after your freshman year, maybe you 327 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: need another year. But now it's it's part of the 328 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: culture that you go to school for a year. And 329 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: Duke's had a number of guys do this where they 330 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: go to school for a year and you know it 331 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: doesn't pan out. I would have loved to see them 332 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: stay for an extra year or two. I'm glad you 333 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: brought up, you know, the enjoyment for fans of seeing 334 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: a player grow over the course of his or her 335 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: collegiate career. And you've been pretty open and honest and 336 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: humble about some of the mistakes that you made in 337 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: college that maybe people at the time didn't know about. 338 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: And I'm curious for you, when did you recognize that. 339 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: Was it while you were at Duke after meetings with 340 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: coach k or was it once you're in the NBA 341 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: and you grew up a little bit? When when did 342 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: I recognize the growth or yeah? Like, when did you 343 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: look back and say, wow, you know I made I 344 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: made a mistake when I was a freshman or so 345 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: I spent too much time focused on other aspects besides basketball, 346 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: Like when you and coach when when things started to 347 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: click for you, when you kind of figured things out. 348 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: Did you know it at the time or did you 349 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: have to look back once you're in the NBA, And like, man, 350 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: I could I can pinpoint that moment at Duke when 351 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: I figured it out And here's why I figured it out, right, 352 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: I figured it out at the end of my junior year. 353 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: And so I'll try to be very succinct with this 354 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: explanation and story. But my whole life I got you know, 355 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: I was a massive Duke fan, die hard Duke fan. 356 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Duke. I wanted to play 357 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: a Duke. I get to Duke and everybody hates me. 358 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm taken aback by it. I take on this persona, 359 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: this brash, cocky, arrogant persona on the court that creates 360 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: a cycle of more hatred, of more animosity towards me, 361 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: and there was this feeling of this isn't what I 362 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: signed up for. I didn't realize it was going to 363 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: be this hard. I thought this was supposed to be fun. 364 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: And so I went into what I would like to 365 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: call a rebellious phase my sophomore year, and I wanted 366 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: to quit. My sisters talked me out of it. I 367 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: spent most of that season on antidepressants. I was also 368 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: behaving in a way that was coming of of a 369 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: of a collegiate athlete period, much less a duke basketball 370 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: player where the standard is so high and coach and 371 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: I had a number of meetings after my sophomore year 372 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: that culminated in a meeting around May twentieth, and he 373 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: brought me into his office with Woejoe and Collins, and 374 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: it was it was a come to Jesus moment, and 375 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: he laid out a plan for me. I started seeing 376 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: a therapist weekly. They gave me a schedule to the hour, 377 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: and I stuck to that schedule the entire summer. I 378 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: went from about two hundred and twenty pounds at the 379 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: end of my sophomore year, I started first practice weighing 380 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: about one ninety two. I was an unbelievable shape. I 381 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: won every conditioning drill that offseason, and I got National 382 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: Player of the Year, ACC Player of the Year. And 383 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: there was a moment in Coach's hotel room in Austin, 384 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: Texas after we Austin the Sweet sixteen where two things happen. 385 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: I realized that it worked, and I realized that Coach 386 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: and I were now friends, that we weren't just player coach, 387 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: we were real friends. And I lived that out the 388 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: rest of my career. There was no going back. I 389 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: saw what being diligent and being disciplined and being fully 390 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: invested in being fully committed, what the result of that 391 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: was Now I didn't always get the result that I wanted, 392 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: but I knew that that was my benchmark, that was 393 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: my standard that I had to have in order for 394 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: me to play at a high level. So you leave Duke, 395 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: you come to the NBA, you're the eleventh overall pick. 396 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: And I remember when he came into the NBA and 397 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people, and I'm sure you 398 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: heard it that said, JJ Reddick, great shooter in college? 399 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, is that going to translate to him being 400 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: around in the NBA for a long period of time? 401 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: Is he just going to be a role player? Can 402 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: he do anything else besides shoot? And you played fifth 403 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: teen years, you had a great NBA career, And I'm curious, JJ, 404 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: do you think you would have lasted as long in 405 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 1: the NBA and it had as much success as you 406 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: did in the NBA if you didn't go through that 407 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: transition at Duke and didn't learn from those mistakes that 408 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: you talked about at Duke. No chance. Now I think 409 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: I would have played in the NBA. And if I 410 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: had gone to University of Florida or the University of 411 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: Virginia or Texas or Stanford or any of the other schools, 412 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: that were really recruiting me. I would have had a 413 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: good college career and I would have played in the NBA. 414 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: I would not have had the success that I had 415 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: in college or the success that I had the NBA 416 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: if I hadn't gone through what I went through. And 417 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: so I'm grateful for it. And you know, there was 418 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot of there was a lot of guilt, There 419 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of low moments. There was a lot 420 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: of self doubt. There was that in my NBA career too, 421 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: but I intuitively understood at that point what it took, 422 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: and so there was always that work to go back to. 423 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: There was always that discipline, getting my sleep, eating right, 424 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: being in the gym, taking care of myself. So if 425 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: the results weren't there, if the self doubt was there, 426 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: if the guilt was there over missing a shot laid 427 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: or letting my man score, whatever it was, I just 428 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: went back to work and I went back to the things. 429 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: I guess they were my grounding principles of my career. 430 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: And so to learn that at nineteen, that was the 431 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: biggest boost I ever could get for having success in 432 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: the NBA. One of the things I've appreciated in the 433 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: short time working with you and then just kind of 434 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: watching you operate when I see you in the studio. 435 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: Is you take the craft of broadcasting seriously? When I 436 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: listened to your podcast, like you sound like you've been 437 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: doing this for twenty five years. I said the same 438 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: thing to you after we did our two games together. 439 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: It just you're a natural, but you take it seriously 440 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: and you care. And I know this was something you 441 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: were thinking about doing while you were still playing. But ultimately, 442 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: when you made the decision to stop playing, something you 443 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: had been doing for twenty plus years, more than twenty 444 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: if you include high school, was it a difficult decision? 445 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: Was there a transition period where you were missing, you know, 446 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: being with the guys on the road, you know, playing 447 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: cards on the road, talking wine, movies with your teammates, 448 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: or do you still miss that? I still miss that. 449 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: I'll always miss that, and I don't know that I 450 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: can replicate that in any other way in my life. 451 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: There's something that's very sacred to me about being on 452 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: a team. It's weird because I fell in love with 453 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: basketball as a as a home schooler who would get 454 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: his work done early in the morning and have the 455 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: rest of my day because I had. You know, my 456 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: parents didn't make a lot of money, so both my 457 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: parents worked. You know, my mom would teach us some days. 458 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: I would go to work with her and do my 459 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: work there. One of five kids, so there was a 460 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: lot of autonomy that I had in my childhood, and 461 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: I had to fill time. And I liked going out 462 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: on a basketball court and shooting for hours. And that's 463 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: initially how I fell in love with it. And then 464 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: I started playing AU basketball and I would travel and 465 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: we'd stay in hotel rooms and I'd stay up late 466 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: with people that came from a different background of me, 467 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 1: and we'd talk about life. And I did that for 468 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: thirty years. I made so many great friendships. I had 469 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: so many great moments off the court. I'll miss that. 470 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: I missed you mentioned card games. I missed the action. 471 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: I missed the action. I missed the action a lot. 472 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: And it was it was I was ready to retire 473 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: for a while. It wasn't about that. It was about 474 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: just squeezing every last bit I could out of my 475 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: career and my inherent love for the game. I wanted 476 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: to keep doing it. The decision to retire ultimately came 477 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: down to a time value. Proposition, you know, what, what 478 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: is it I want to do with my time? And 479 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: because my kids were getting older, and because I had 480 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: missed so much over the last few years and specifically 481 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: in the bubble year. Once I started doing those exercises 482 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: about being in a hotel room in Cleveland in February 483 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: versus taking my kid to Florida for spring break, it 484 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: became pretty clear to me that it was time. And 485 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: I was fried physically, emotionally, mentally. I mean, you know, 486 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: my wife and I always talk about this, Like I 487 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: even when I was home, I was still thinking about 488 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: the game and practicing and training. It was just it 489 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: was all compassing all the time, and I was ready 490 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: for a break. I was ready for change. And I 491 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: had no idea that I'd be busier in retirement somehow 492 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: than I was as a player. And so the camaraderie 493 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: and the team thing is what I'll miss the most. 494 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: And then the second thing, which I'm still navigating, and 495 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: I think it takes time to navigate. But the second 496 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: thing is we've talked about the structure. I need structure 497 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: in my life, and I enjoyed the structure of being 498 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: a professional athlete so much. I enjoyed knowing every day 499 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: where I was supposed to be, when I was going 500 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: to train, when I was going to go to sleep, 501 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: when my meals were going to be. I sometimes forget 502 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: to eat now, you know. I'm like, oh, it's five o'clock. 503 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: I forgot to eat lunch, you know. So I really 504 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: those are the two things that obviously I'm miss shooting 505 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: a basketball, but those are the two things that I'm 506 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm still working my way through and I look up. 507 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll never be able to replicate that first thing 508 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: ever again, but certainly grateful that I got to do 509 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: it for so long days like this. Maybe you miss 510 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: it more when you're spending time a pile and flooring 511 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: for your house. It was enjoyable. It was enjoyable. It 512 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: was enjoyable. I learned a lot about about Limestone today 513 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 1: your podcast The Old Man in the Three. When did 514 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: you come up with the idea, how did it start? 515 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: And what are your plans for because obviously given your 516 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: connection to so many different current players, I remember the 517 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: game I did with you in Philly, the embrace that 518 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: you had with Joel Ebid. I can just see the 519 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: love that he has for you and all the players 520 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: that come up to you. Clearly you built some deep 521 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: friendships and great relationships with a lot of guys. What 522 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: are the plans ultimately long term for the podcast? You know, 523 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: you can't it's hard to have It's hard to have 524 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: a podcast. We've talked about this. It's hard to have 525 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: a podcast without an audience. So I don't think about 526 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: anything else sides building an audience, and I in some 527 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: ways got lucky because of timing. I was the first 528 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: active player to have a podcast, so there was a 529 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: novelty in that. Working at the Ringer and you know, 530 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: being associated with the scale of that company in sports 531 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: and media culture was important. We launched The Old Man 532 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: in the Three. We started our own company. We launched 533 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: The Old Man of Three. We owned, We owned the podcast. 534 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: We launched that in the middle of the bubble. There 535 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: was no other player that was doing a podcast out 536 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 1: of the bubble. Like, there's just been a bunch of 537 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: things that I've just gotten lucky on. There's no there's 538 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: not a grand vision ever for the podcast. It's something 539 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: that I enjoyed doing. And what I realized about a 540 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: year and change into doing The Old Man of the 541 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: Three is I really just enjoyed basketball. I enjoyed talking 542 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: about basketball. So we we sort of made a strategic 543 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: shift in late October. Let's just focus on NBA content. 544 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: Let's focus on having guests on that are associated with 545 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: the NBA, mainly players, And we've seen our audience grow 546 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: because of that, so you know, we're going to continue 547 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: to sort of use that model to continue to grow 548 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: our audience. You know, I think about when you start 549 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: something in media, it's it's driven really by two things. 550 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: It's driven by content. Do you have good cut content? 551 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: And can you build a community? And that's what we're 552 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: trying to do with the podcast, and whatever comes of that, 553 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: that's great. You know, besides the podcast, there's a lot 554 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: of other things that I'm working on actively right now, 555 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: including a I don't know how to describe it, but 556 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: it's a TV show. It's a TV show, so we're 557 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: working on it. It would be it's called Eat, Prey, Dunk, 558 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's about capturing the essence of 559 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: a player. It's out trying to answer the question of 560 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: why sports matter, why athletes are who they are. We 561 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: do that to some degree on the show, but on 562 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: the podcast, but this would be a more a more 563 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: visual experience, I think. And uh so we're talking. We're 564 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: talking with different high level production companies, streaming services, etc. 565 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: To try to try to get this thing made. Um. 566 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny because you mentioned the media 567 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: stuff and I didn't even I didn't plan on getting 568 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: into media, and I was hesitant to even start at ESPN, 569 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: and and Dave Roberts, who who you know. Dave was 570 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: more than accommodating with just creating a schedule for me 571 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: this this year. That wasn't too taxing because I was like, 572 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a year off. But then I'm like, 573 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I got a podcast that I got to do weekly 574 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: and I need something else to fill my time. And 575 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: so it kind of all happened organically. I Dave. My 576 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: life plan is not like I wanted to be an 577 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: NBA player. I put everything into it, and right now 578 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: it's just like just flow with the river. You know, Well, 579 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't know where the river is going to take me. 580 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't know where I'll be in three years. Do 581 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: any of us really know? We think we do, We 582 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: think we can control. You've had Chris Paul on and 583 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: you know this podcast. As I said, is primarily Arizona 584 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals based. We do branch out beyond just the NFL, 585 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: and obviously people that you know a lot of people 586 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: that live in Arizona or Cardinal fans are also Suns fans. 587 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: So we had mckel bridges on, we had James Jones, 588 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: al McCoy, they've all been on and with the run 589 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: to the finals last year and then having the best 590 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: record in the NBA this year, there is a there's 591 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: an appetite for Suns content. And because you probably know 592 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: Chris Paul as well as anybody, maybe you can put 593 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: your finger on it more than weekend. Because the transformation 594 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: of the organization from when Chris prior to Chris's arrival 595 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: to what they are now, it's remarkable. I'm not sure 596 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: we've seen anything quite like this, like you see a player. 597 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: When Kurt Warner came to the Cardinals, he led them 598 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl, but it wasn't like they went 599 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: fifteen and one. But because of Kurt and how good 600 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: he is, and obviously there were other talented players around him, 601 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: we went to the Super Bowl the next year, which 602 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: was Kurt's last year, had even a better record, ended 603 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: up losing the Saints who win the Super Bowl. But 604 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't like you went from the worst team in 605 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: football to the best. The Sons were the worst team, 606 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: close to the worst team, if not the worst. They're 607 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: not the best team. Now, they don't won a championship. 608 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: They're close last year, maybe they win it this year. 609 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: And everybody tries to say, well, here's why they're different, 610 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: here's what Chris Paul brings to the table. But you 611 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: know this, you played with him, you know him. Well, 612 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: what do you think it is that goes beyond what 613 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: we can see the fan in the media. Well, I'll 614 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: answer that question. But there's another really important ingredient to 615 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: the formula for their success over the last few seasons, 616 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: and that's Monny. Because Monny, in some ways is they're 617 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: not the same, but in some ways it is very 618 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: similar to Chris. The attention to detail, the basketball intelligence. 619 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: Monny has that at the highest level, and I think 620 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: the combination of them. Chris, of course, being an extension 621 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: of a coach on the floor, is really important. In 622 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: regards to Chris. He is as demanding of a teammate 623 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: as I've had, and I loved that he has a 624 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: way of getting your best every night. There was there 625 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: was no not that I did this ever, but like 626 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: for all of us, there was no I'm going to 627 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: go into the game and half ass like because Chris 628 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: was there and so he wasn't gonna half ass it, 629 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: and he was gonna tell you if you were half 630 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: asking it. So there's there's an accountability to Chris as 631 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: a teammate and as a player because he does it 632 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: and because his agenda ultimately is to win. Now there's shenanig. 633 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: It's Chris is Chris. You know, he's gonna he's gonna 634 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: talk to other players. He's gonna he's gonna do the 635 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: rip through move and draw fouls. He's gonna talk to 636 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: the refs like there's other things Chris. You know, Chris 637 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: is an annoying little pest. We all know that. But 638 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: but in terms of the agenda, Chris is as competitive 639 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: of a player as I ever played with. And he's 640 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: an incredible strategist. And we talked about this, I think 641 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: when he was on the podcast, but I know I've 642 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: mentioned it in other episodes. Chris is probably the best 643 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: cards player that I've played against. You know, in anything 644 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: he does, he figures out how to win. What gives 645 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: him the best chance to win. I saw this great graphic. 646 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: You may have seen this as well on Twitter. You 647 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: know New Orleans that franchise franchise wins when he was there, 648 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: franchise record for wins when he was there, Houston franchise 649 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: record for wins when he was there, Phoenix franchise record 650 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: for wins when he was there, Clippers franchise record for 651 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: wins when he was there. So, although he hasn't want 652 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: to ring and I think they're the clear favorites to 653 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: win one this year, he is as good of a 654 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: winner as we've had in this era of sports. Now, 655 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the championship. I get that, and that 656 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: may be controversial thing to say, but he is as 657 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: good of a winner as we've had in sports. So 658 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: I have a vote for MVP and all the NBA 659 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: awards that I have to turn in here, and I'm 660 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: waiting till the last possible second to turn it in 661 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: as you should. That's you know what, You're being the 662 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: responsible voter. And I appreciate that the money for you 663 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: guys that now is attached to these awards, which I think, 664 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: by the way, I know Adam Silver the commissioner came 665 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: out and said NBA players aren't playing enough games. They're 666 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure out ways to fix that. A solution 667 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: that I think would would work, or at least would help, 668 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: would be if you put for the voters, you say, okay, 669 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: to be the MVP, you have to play at least 670 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: sixty eight games or whatever, or to make All NBA 671 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: you have to play sixty eight games. You can't vote 672 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: for somebody if they play fewer than sixty eight games. 673 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: There is an incentive now because there's so much money 674 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: attached to contracts. If you make All NBA, maybe that 675 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: will result in guys playing more games because they want 676 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: to make sure they're getting their max contracts. So I 677 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: don't hate the idea, but in any sort of games 678 00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: played scenario, context matters. You know, if a guy breaks 679 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: his wrists and miss a month of the season and 680 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: the Aliens up playing in sixty five games, but that 681 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: team has the best record and he's got great stats, 682 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: that guy should probably still be All NBA. You know, 683 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: the context betters might change, might change to the All 684 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: NBA voting is just to have the fifteen best players 685 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: have three teams of five, but make it about the 686 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: five best players should be first team All NBA, the 687 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: next five players should be second team ALLANBA, the positional stuff, 688 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: and then now they're complimentating things like why why is 689 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: Joe Ellenbiad and Yokich? Why are they? Can you vote 690 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: for them as forwards? They haven't played a minute of 691 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: four at all season. They're centers. But you know what, 692 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: they both should be a first team All NBA, and 693 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: there's a good chance that one of them won't be. 694 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: The other part that's tied to it, of course, is 695 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: that you reference is max contract extensions, being eligible for 696 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: a super max that's tied to All NBA, and then 697 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: and then the rookie supermax, which you have to reach. 698 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you know in your rookie contract to 699 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: to uh sort of trigger that that supermax, So guys 700 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: will sign for it'll be reported two hundred million dollars, 701 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: but if they don't reach it, they get one sixty five. 702 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: Trey Young is a great example of this. You know, 703 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: he's eligible for the supermax, that's what he signed um, 704 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: but if he doesn't make All NBA this year, he 705 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: loses out on thirty five million. This is what happened 706 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: to Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum when a long run on 707 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: the podcast about this um, this is something that was 708 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: collective collectively bargain bier union. I don't I don't know 709 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: that there's a solution to that outside of renegotiating that 710 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: with the NBA UM. And I think where where players 711 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: get frustrated is in some of the voting. What I 712 00:40:54,080 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: think doesn't get appreciated by the players is how serious 713 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: the voters are taking it. You guys all know about 714 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: these clauses in the contract. You know, Howard Beck when 715 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: the pod came out with Jason and his rant kind 716 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: of went viral. Howard Beck, He's like, Jason, I don't 717 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: like it either, you know, he tweeted, I don't like 718 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: it either. I don't want my vote to be tied 719 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: to whether or not you get the money. Good. Look, 720 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: you can't tell me that Jason Tatum in his fourth 721 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: year didn't do his job. He did a MAX level 722 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: worthy job and he should have gotten paid according to 723 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: his market, which was as a MAX player. So outside 724 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: of renegotiat I don't think you can you can do it. 725 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: The all NBA stuff this year is really interesting, and 726 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned you've mentioned Chris, I know, off 727 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: the air we're talking about stuff. It's like, where where 728 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: do we figure out how some of these players go? 729 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 1: And Trey Young is a great He's had an unbelievable season, 730 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: an unbelievable season. He should be All NBAUM. But it's 731 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: really hard, it's really hard. The MVP this year is 732 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: probably as hard as this in a long time trying 733 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 1: to figure that out. So I don't have Trey Young 734 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: on my All NBA team as of this moment, and 735 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: if I end up not voting that way, I feel 736 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: badly that it could cost him thirty five million dollars. 737 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: But looking at their record and some players on some 738 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: other teams that maybe the numbers aren't as gaudy, but 739 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: their teams are better. I mean, to your point, you 740 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: only have six guards the front court, you can fudge 741 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: it a little bit because like I've got Janis embating, 742 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: Yokis All first Team. Yeah, none of those guys have 743 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: played I mean, Mbat never plays forward. I mean, you 744 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: could you could make the case that Yoki he's he's whatever. 745 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: He's a guard, he's a forward, he's a center. But 746 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: right DeMar de Rosen will probably make an all NBA team, 747 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: but he'll make it as a forward, even though nominally 748 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: he functions as the primary playmaker in the half court. 749 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: This is why, you know, the defining lines of position 750 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: has been so skewed because of the way the modern 751 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: NBA works now, which is why I think the solution 752 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: is you just vote for the fifteen best players. My 753 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: comment on Trey and my comment towards the MVP as well. 754 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: We talked about this last night on Countdown with Jalen is. 755 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: You know, perceived value is relative to expectations, and I 756 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: think with Trey this year, because of what was a 757 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: surprising run last year, there were more expectations on Trey 758 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: and the Hawks this year and they probably underperformed to that. 759 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: But he has not. He has not, and I probably 760 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: one of the six best guards in the NBA. Problem is, 761 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: as I know, we brought up my Yannis comment on 762 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: the Joel Pod when we were off air, and you know, 763 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: the problem, as I said this on the pod, there's 764 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: too many good players, Like there's too many good players. 765 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 1: I can remember even in my career five six years ago, 766 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: we're like, oh man, there's thirteen guys that are really 767 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: all NBA and there's like five guys that you're kind 768 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: of like, I could I could fit them in. I could, 769 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: I could make an argument to put them in the 770 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: last two spots. Now there's like twenty guys, and you're like, 771 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: how do we how do we make this fair and 772 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: fit it in fifteen slots with positions? It's tough, it's 773 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: very tough. Well, I've already kept you much longer than 774 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: I was anticipating, but I do want to just get 775 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: a couple more in here. How do you think you'll 776 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: if you had to pick the MVP, W how do 777 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: you think you'll land? Like? Does it? Is it based 778 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: on Devin Booker? To me? Deserves consideration. Now, I don't 779 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: think that's how I'm going to vote number one, but 780 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: he's going to be in my top five. I think 781 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: ultimately it's Yokich, Giannis and Embed but there's no real criteria. 782 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: Like I'm inconsistent when I look at how I vote 783 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: for MVP or Coach of the Year, Rookie of the Year, 784 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: even the all NBA teams. I mean, I'm in consistent. 785 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: Most voters are most voters are most voters are? You know? 786 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: With books specifically, there's been nine previous players that have 787 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: averaged twenty five, five and five on a team that 788 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: had a winning percentage of eight hundred or better. I 789 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: think the Suns are a little under eight hundred, and 790 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: he's averaging four point nine assists, so he could end 791 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: up being the tenth, but he's right there to be 792 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: the tenth player. Ever, eight of the previous nine guys 793 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: that have done that have one MVP. Look Book is 794 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: a deserving MVP. In any other year, he's probably the MVP. 795 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: The problem is the three most dominant players have had 796 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: historical seasons in Janie mbid and historical you know, the 797 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: numbers don't lie, and book is going to get hurt 798 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 1: because of advanced stats. That's just a reality. He's third 799 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: on his team in winshields. Mcel Bridges has more win 800 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: shares than Devin Booker. That's just how analytics work. And 801 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: more than enough voters now factor in analytics. So when 802 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: you talk about analytics, well, then the clear guys Yokich, 803 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: when you talk about narrative, it's probably embed and you 804 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: talk about you know more, I test in moments right 805 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: now it feels like it's Yannis I test and the 806 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: last two three weeks of the season when you talk 807 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: about those moments, those MVP moments, that that three against 808 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: the nets, whatever it may be, it's probably Yannis. I 809 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: tend to land on today, whatever it's, you know, Thursday, 810 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: the seventh of April. I tend to land on a 811 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: fluctuation between Yokich and Yannis for MVP, and it sucks 812 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: because there's like, there's legitimately four guys that should be MVP. 813 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: How many it takes when you did the State Farm 814 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: commerce and you're the mad professor talking to the coffee 815 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: pot for people that have seen that, it's very good, 816 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: by the way, how many takes did you need? We 817 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: filmed a bunch of different lines. I had about ten 818 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: or twelve lines, and then we filmed all of the 819 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: lines at three different camera angles, so there were probably 820 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: forty or fifty takes total. The other thing to note 821 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: is in the video in the final cut, I should 822 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: say in the final commercial there's a there's about an 823 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: inch left of coffee in that coffee pot. Well, I 824 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: spent about twenty minutes doing takes where instead of talking 825 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: to the coffee pot, I would chug the coffee. So 826 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: that was my second pot of coffee that I was 827 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: on and it was lukewarm coffee. It was room temp coffee. 828 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: But look, I was just my I didn't look at 829 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: the call sheet till I got in the car to 830 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: It was a busy week. We had Draymond in San 831 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: Francisco that week. I flew to LA. I did NBA 832 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: to Day on Tuesday, at NBA to Day on Wednesday, 833 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: and I and I was set to go film the 834 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: commercial right after my second day at NBA to Day, 835 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: so I did not have time to look at the 836 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: call sheet. And I looked at the call sheet on 837 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: the five minute right over to where we were shooting 838 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: the commercial, and it's like, I'm by the way, my 839 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: hair's done, I've got you know, I've got my makeup. 840 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: My groomer came, I got my makeup done. I'm wearing 841 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: a great suit, just looking looking like I'm ready for 842 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: a photo shoot. And I read the call sheet. It's 843 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: like JJ is manic. He's he's disheveled, his shirts unbuttoned, 844 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: his hair's messed up. We're gonna draw black circles under 845 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: his eyes. I'm like, oh God, I did not know 846 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: any of this. So there's this moment I'm like, do 847 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: I just I just gotta lean in. I just gotta 848 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: lean into the crazy guy. And I went for it. 849 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: You really had to act because that's not you, like, 850 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,919 Speaker 1: it's the anti Jake. No, no, it's not me at all. 851 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: But I thought, you know, the the director was he 852 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: had the same voice and laugh as Charlie Day from 853 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: Uh It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. And there's that gift 854 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: of Charlie Day with the board where he's like pointing 855 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: the thing, and I was like, that's that's my inspo, 856 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: Charlie Day. I'm going for that, all right. Last one 857 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,760 Speaker 1: had during the football season, Carson Palmer and Drew Stanton 858 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: on the podcast together. They were both together here with 859 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,720 Speaker 1: the Cardinals at the same time. And asked them towards 860 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: the end, because they're big wine guys, as are you. 861 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: And I asked them towards the end, okay, for people 862 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: that are listening that maybe you know, don't want to, 863 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, spend a thousand dollars on a bottle of wine, 864 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: give me some good value buys. And I think Carson 865 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: threw out like opus one. I'm like, that's not people lessening, 866 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: They're not going to that's that doesn't qualify. I don't 867 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: know if you've got anything, because you I know you're 868 00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: white Burgundy, red Burgundy guy, which you'll but you'll drink anything, right, 869 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: But I know you have some particulars I do, I do, um, 870 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: So I'll say this Alborino. It's a native to Portugal, 871 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: but in northwest Spain. It's called Alberino in Spain. Alvarino 872 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 1: in Portugal, but in northwest Spain, Alberino is a white wine. 873 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: Good Alberino, like high level Alberino, is under thirty bucks, 874 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: and you can find good bottles for fifteen to twenty bucks. 875 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: That's that's to me, is like an ultimate value to 876 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,399 Speaker 1: sit by the pool. Um, maybe you're gonna go grab 877 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: some Moisters bottle Alborino phenomenal in red wine. I think 878 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: one of the greatest values is Brunello de Montecino. And 879 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 1: you can find phenomenal producers in great years for fifty 880 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: bucks fifty five bucks. Look, I know for a lot 881 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: of people that's insane for a bottle of wine. Well, 882 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: let me tell you about Burgundy. And look, there's a 883 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,799 Speaker 1: bunch of people that ask me for wine recommendations. To me, 884 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: the best place to start in Burgundy because that's what 885 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: I collect. That's what ultimately if I'm going to spend 886 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: money on wine and I and I have a collection, 887 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, I have a seller all that stuff. But 888 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: when I say I'm gonna buy and I'm gonna spend 889 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: my hard earned money on wine, I'm going to spend 890 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: it on Burgundy. That to me is the greatest wine 891 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: in the world. I love red Burgundy, which is made 892 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: from pino, and I love white Burgundy, which is made 893 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: from chardonnay. And a lot of people say I don't. 894 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't like pinot, I don't like Chardonnay. That's because 895 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: you're drinking swill made in America. All right, you're drinking swill. 896 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: You're drinking mass produced swill. But the best value to 897 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: me in Burgundy is there's four classifications of Burgundy. There's 898 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,839 Speaker 1: a grind crew, which is you know, expensive at every level, 899 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: premiere crew, where you can find some decent deals. And 900 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: then there's village and regional. And so if you see 901 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: borgone on a bottle, that is a regional that is 902 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: the fourth sort of bottom tier. If you go up 903 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: one level to a village level red or a village 904 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: level white made by a great producer. You can find 905 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: phenomenal wine in the like eighty to ninety range. Again, 906 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: I know that's crazy, but if you can find like 907 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: a furry A or you know lair Wag, which is 908 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: you know their grond crews go for thousands of dollars, 909 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: she skirts the rules and when she makes her village 910 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: level and regional white burgundy, she takes the leftover grapes 911 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: from the ground crew and premier sights and she mixes 912 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,399 Speaker 1: it in. She's not technically allowed to do that, but 913 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: she sort of runs Burgundy and and that so that 914 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: to me is like the ultimate value. It tastes like 915 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: a five hundred dollars bottle of wine and you spend 916 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 1: eighty bucks. Well, it's certainly more in depth than we 917 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: got from Carson. Appreciate it man, Thanks so much, JJ 918 00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: for doing this. Always fun, great stuff from JJ talking 919 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: about his relationship with Mike Shashevski, how coach K helped 920 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: JJ turn his life around at Duke and how that 921 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: translated into a lengthy NBA career and now a successful 922 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,880 Speaker 1: new life as a podcaster and broadcaster. 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