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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by called Lida Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday here at one Bill's Drive Me or One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Mattie Glab alongside of Steve Tasker, who was

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Speaker 2: at Wegmans yesterday for the show, celebrated seven to one

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Speaker 2: sixth Day as it kicked off on Sunday at seven

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Speaker 2: sixteen pm, ran all the way through Monday evening, and

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Speaker 2: the grand total raised by Buffalo over one million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Holy moly, an amazing, amazing, amazing thing to watch as

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Speaker 2: the money poured in, the donations poured in, as people

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Speaker 2: supported their favorite charities across Western New York. I love

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Speaker 2: that Buffalo has a day like this, a seven one

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Speaker 2: six day where people give back to the community. There

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Speaker 2: was ways to volunteer throughout the weekend. Just an incredible weekend,

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Speaker 2: incredible day. Always look forward to seven to one six Day.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if a lot of other NFL teams

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Speaker 2: have a day like that where the community comes together

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Speaker 2: and they decide to donate boatloads of money to charities

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Speaker 2: across Western New York, but I think it's a really

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Speaker 2: unique thing and speaks to Buffalo itself. The good neighbor

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Speaker 2: just how this community has come together time and time

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Speaker 2: again to lift each other up and to support some

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Speaker 2: great charity, some great organizations. So way to go Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: You did it, and Steve, you were a part of that.

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Speaker 2: That video that came out on social media with Marty.

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Speaker 2: I know the guys start talking about it at the

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Speaker 2: end of Sabers Live. But incredible performance. You had your

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Speaker 2: kicking shoe I did.

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Speaker 3: I pulled out of the out of the attic.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, was that when you put

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Speaker 2: it on? I was like, is that on display somewhere

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Speaker 2: in his house? Was it in the attic? Where did

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Speaker 2: he find this thing?

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Speaker 3: I it was mixed in ironically enough, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if it's ironically or weirdly enough. It was in with

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Speaker 3: my kids hockey gear. So I was and I was

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Speaker 3: going and I was going with uh with Marty to

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Speaker 3: do this? You know this crazy? You know what it's like.

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Speaker 3: You always kind of put your hands in the hands

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Speaker 3: of Jet, yourself in the hands of JJ and Kevin.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys guys do today?

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Speaker 3: Right? What do you want me to do? And I've

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Speaker 3: learned to trust him? Right, Kevin Kargis and James Roebul

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Speaker 3: and then you know, JJ Turedo and they can here

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Speaker 3: and I said, okay, whatever do you want me to do?

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Speaker 3: So and they didn't know it, but I did. I said,

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Speaker 3: if they're gonna have me kicking field goals, I got

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Speaker 3: to do my things. So I went up and dug

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Speaker 3: the shoe out, and let me just say, I was

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Speaker 3: I was a little just. I was a little disappointed

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Speaker 3: in myself not being able to beat Marty Baran in

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Speaker 3: a field goal, particularly given how awful Marty was at kicking.

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Speaker 2: So the competition was, whoever kicked a field goal first

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Speaker 2: would have to donate to that the loser's charity, so

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Speaker 2: or the loser would have to donate to the winner's

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Speaker 2: charity rather, and Marty.

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Speaker 3: Was able to.

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Speaker 2: Get it.

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Speaker 3: And Marty dnked one if dingked one in.

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Speaker 2: It was incredible watching that. How many tries it.

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Speaker 3: Was only like two, It's like a second try. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you saw.

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Speaker 2: See the edited video. I didn't know if there were

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Speaker 2: more tries.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't edited that much because you can imagine my

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Speaker 3: stamina is not what it once was. That I had

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Speaker 3: like three kicks in me.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, task your first kick, I thought it went in.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was in.

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Speaker 3: The perfect line it went. It was I kind of

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Speaker 3: knuckled it and it dropped below the crossbar. But we

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Speaker 3: were going from like twenty twenty five yards. I can't

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Speaker 3: thirty yard kick. I don't know what it was. Nam.

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Speaker 3: I was bummed. Marty beat me.

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Speaker 2: Marty beats you fair and just put d one. You

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Speaker 2: have the nikes on, you had the kicking shoe on.

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Speaker 2: But it was a dance.

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Speaker 3: Spot built, you know. I thought I had that one,

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Speaker 3: but I got too much of it. I got too

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Speaker 2: The ball and whatever, Hey, they look good.

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Speaker 3: It's been a minute since I kicked a field goal.

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Speaker 2: Emergency backup kicker, Steve Tasker, how many field goals did

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Speaker 2: you kick during your playing days?

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Speaker 3: Well, in high school I was a kid. I was

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Speaker 3: a high conference kicker straight on. Yeah, and then that

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Speaker 3: was it. That's all. I never kicked any place. Oh, No,

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Speaker 3: I kicked it junior. You were you, I kicked one.

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Speaker 3: I think college. I think I kicked one with community

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Speaker 3: college at Dodge City Community College for the Conquistadors, and

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Speaker 3: then not at Northwestern. Then at no Western. I started holding.

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Speaker 3: I had a hand, I had a penchant. I was

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Speaker 3: at a knack for getting the ball down quick, and

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Speaker 3: I got the ball down quick so the kickers could

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Speaker 3: get a just a split second longer look at it.

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Speaker 3: And when I got to the pros for the Houston Oilers,

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Speaker 3: Tony's in Dejas picked me to be. They had like

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Speaker 3: four guys do it, and he goes, I like this

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Speaker 3: one better, and I was like sweet, as like one

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Speaker 3: more way I could make the roster right. And I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you a quick story. The first kick I ever

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Speaker 3: held for in the National Football League was an extra

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Speaker 3: point against some Dan Marino on the Miami Dolphins in

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Speaker 3: the Astrodome for the Houston Oilers. And I was down

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Speaker 3: there holding it and it got blocked right back in

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Speaker 3: our face. My first special teams play as it got

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Speaker 3: blocked right back in our fan. It wasn't my fault,

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Speaker 3: but the kick got off in time, but man oh man,

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Speaker 3: was a while before I kind of got comfortable doing it,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I was the emergency kicker. That's an old

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Speaker 3: spot built shoe that had They had it at every game.

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Speaker 3: It was there. I never practiced, you know, but.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. H and I got to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I don't know who would have held because I was

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Speaker 3: I stopped holding. I did it for a while then

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Speaker 3: later in my career. But one of the reasons they

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Speaker 3: eleven times while I was playing fingers, knuckles, all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: What happens when your holder gets his knuckle busted in

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Speaker 3: the game, you can't hold. You can't trust him to

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Speaker 3: hold it right. So they they, you know, excuse me

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Speaker 2: How was the show at Wagman's yesterday? To watch the

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Speaker 2: donations pour in? And you guys were on air.

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Speaker 3: I love I love my job. I love people. And

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Speaker 3: and I was signing stuff and they go buy a

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Speaker 3: hat and they bring it over and I sign it

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Speaker 2: People are people walking up and they're.

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Speaker 3: Just walking up the punching the arm, hey, and they

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Speaker 3: the headphones down during commercial break and people come over

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Speaker 3: nine eight. Well we're gonna get back and say, okay,

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Speaker 3: excuse me. I got to you know, so we didn't

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Speaker 3: between commercial breaks. There's a wegmanses. It's it was crazy yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Well it always is, I mean, good grief.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was there yesterday. So I was off for

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Speaker 2: two weeks. Went to France with my husband, which was

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Speaker 2: late Sunday night into early Monday morning. And I was

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Speaker 2: no big deal, not have to like beep up around

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Speaker 2: if it's lunchtime. You know, people also trying to do

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Speaker 2: grocery shopping for the week. But Wegmans is always packed.

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Speaker 3: It was it was like all hands on deck at Wegmans.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday they had like every register was open, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Got my Wegmans sushi for lunch. Shout out to the

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Speaker 2: sushi I did too, what.

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Speaker 2: I love their sushi.

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Speaker 3: So tell you were gone for two weeks, so you too,

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Speaker 3: you were part of the vacated masses. This building was

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Speaker 2: It's there's now people in here. Walked by the training facility,

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Speaker 3: So what was it how's that got to be?

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Speaker 3: If you're like me, so you go to France for

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Speaker 3: two weeks, it was you and your husband Steve. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you, if you're like me, you didn't you maybe

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Speaker 3: thought about this show and we're like twice the whole time, right,

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Speaker 3: like once when you're leaving, I hope they're and then

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Speaker 2: Right, So unplugged, right. I retweeted some things from the

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Speaker 2: Bill's account, you know, things that happened, anything noteworthy of

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Speaker 2: the seven to one six stuff I was retweeting, but

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Speaker 2: working unless you have a plan. So we had an

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Speaker 2: it was nice to unplug for a couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you all the you know, the

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Speaker 3: or thumbs thumbs up thumbs down to France.

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Speaker 2: I mean, oh bake thumbs up. It was my it

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Speaker 2: was my third time going to France. So I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: a French girl. Ye, I'm not French. I just love

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Speaker 2: going to France. I took French for ten years growing up.

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Speaker 2: My grandma would go over to France almost every year

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Speaker 2: when I was younger. She's a huge foodie, chef, really

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, truck everything going out there. Everything,

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Speaker 3: You took You took the room that I didn't know

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Speaker 3: Funny, perfectly willing to do that. I that's funny because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the bills are what now one of few

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Speaker 2: They don't have everything that they have here out at

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Speaker 2: it's for the bonding, It's for the chemistry and the

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit people get tired of hearing it

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Speaker 3: You're going to be playing when you don't feel one

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Speaker 3: It helps to who really know the guys you're doing

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Speaker 3: And the more you do, the better that gets and

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Speaker 3: makes an enormous difference when the group is familiar and

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Speaker 3: friendly and bonded like that. So Sean McDermott obviously believes

437
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Speaker 3: that that's one of the reasons they do go away

438
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 3: for training camp and that's that's why it started way

439
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: back in the day. And nothing's changed. I mean, people

440
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: don't change. So you know the text that the techniques

441
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: they use for team building do they get bigger and

442
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: better things and better tricks and things they do, But

443
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: the concept never changes, and that's why I think, you know,

444
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott is so sold on going the same John

445
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: Fisher and when you go over there you get an eye.

446
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: You can see it when you watch practice and stuff,

447
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: the guys interacting and intermingling and all the time with

448
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: different you'll see if you watch one guy, he'll talk

449
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: to thirty guys during the practice. Yeah, now that doesn't

450
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Speaker 3: really happen here.

451
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Speaker 2: I think one other thing too, thinking about training camp

452
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 2: now versus when you were playing, is so much shorter,

453
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Speaker 2: so you have a shorter amount of time to build

454
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Speaker 2: up that team chemistry, where of course you're doing some

455
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 2: of that during OTAs and mandatory mini camp, but not

456
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: everybody is around. People are rehabbing during that time. Training

457
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: camp is really the time to focus and get set

458
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Speaker 2: for the season. And when you have a two and

459
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Speaker 2: a half week training camp now basically what it is

460
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: three weeks, you're practicing for two and a half weeks

461
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Speaker 2: really before preseason games start. You have a short amount

462
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Speaker 2: of time to get things right and get things together.

463
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Speaker 2: So I think it helps when you have everybody in

464
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Speaker 2: one place. I mean when you were playing, training camps

465
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: were what six.

466
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Speaker 3: Weeks six eight weeks, six weeks. We had four preseason

467
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: games and you started two weeks before the preseason.

468
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Speaker 2: So you had longer, you had a longer amount of

469
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Speaker 2: time to build that team chemistry into.

470
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Speaker 3: Right when I was with the Houston Oilers my rookie, yeah,

471
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 3: my rookie season, we went from Houston and we drove

472
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Speaker 3: to San Angelo, Texassito Houston. For those of you, its

473
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Speaker 3: not it's not like going to Saint John Fisher. It's

474
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: not like going to it's not even going it's not

475
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: even like going to to Erie, PA for training camp.

476
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Speaker 3: It was it was like a ten hour drive from

477
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Speaker 3: Houston to San Angelo, Texas through the wet West Texas

478
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: and it took forever to drive out there. And you

479
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: were there for six weeks at San Angelo State. And

480
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: for the first two weeks or two weeks in there,

481
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Speaker 3: there were fourteen days in the two weeks, fourteen days

482
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Speaker 3: it was above one hundred. Oh no, ten of those

483
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Speaker 3: fourteen days it was above one hundred and.

484
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Speaker 2: Ten and you're probably doing two days too.

485
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So it was nuts how bad it was.

486
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: So it was like two it was like six weeks

487
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: of that.

488
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Speaker 2: You guys all hated each other by the end of.

489
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: Banking for preseason games to get there, so you just

490
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: at least get to a hotel room, you know, just

491
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: travel and get out of there. It was. It was horrific,

492
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: It was I couldn't believe it. But that's the way

493
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: it was back then, and that was you know, it

494
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 3: was third it was thirty eight years ago, so it

495
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: was a different work. It was a different world we

496
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: lived in, but it was. It's better now. I forget

497
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: the forget this stuff about Soviet It's better now. The

498
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: game is better. Practices are better, the techniques are better,

499
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: the coaching is better. The guys are better. They're better,

500
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: they're more professional. When I came into the league, the

501
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: old guys had side jobs in the off season. They

502
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 3: just could work a nine to five because you know,

503
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: the old guys did that when they were younger now.

504
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: But when I got there, for a few years, right

505
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: before I got there, guys could be full time NFL players.

506
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: I didn't have and I I never got a second

507
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: job as a player. But you know, nobody's making nobody's

508
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: getting rich back then. So then when that changed, guys

509
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: could be pro athletes and they'd show up to training

510
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: camp and ready, and they were a lot of guys

511
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: did that in my day. So slowly but surely, the

512
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: coach said, you know, they're they're in shape, but we

513
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: don't need a six week training camp for these guys

514
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: to get in shape. So that's it's going to continue

515
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: to evolve from here as well. But they got we're

516
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: doing like nine shows from training camp. Nine. Yeah, that's

517
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: all there is.

518
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's changed quite a bit even since I've

519
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: been on since twenty nineteen with training camps, and I

520
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: know we had a couple camps here in Buffalo because

521
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: of COVID. Always good to be back at Saint John

522
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: Fisher is speaking of making money, a few running backs

523
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: didn't make the money that they wanted to make, at

524
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: least in terms of signing long term extensions. Since that

525
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: window that Doe date has come josh Acubs and Saquon Barkley,

526
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: a couple of guys and Tony Pollard as well who

527
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: did not reach those long term extensions that they were

528
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: wishing for. We'll we'll cover that later in the show,

529
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: possibly our next segment, but wanted to bring up a

530
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: Twitter topic for today. We're going to begin to turn

531
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Speaker 2: the page at least when it comes to looking forward

532
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: on this season and start talking about the state of

533
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: this team, going through some position groups and analyzing those

534
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: seeing where those position groups are at ahead of training camp.

535
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: We'll dip into the running backs today later in the show,

536
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: and we have a twitter question to kind of go

537
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: along with that position group with the offense. What new

538
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: wrinkle do you want to see from Ken Dorsey and

539
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: the Bills offense this offseason? You can tweet at us

540
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: or call us here at eighth three, five fifty. The

541
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: lines are open for you. We're going to take a break.

542
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: When we return, we'll dip into the tweet talk a

543
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: little bit about those running backs here, So don't wantywhere

544
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: we are One Bills Live. We're presented to you by

545
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: Kalida Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back here on

546
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: one Bills Live and let's go around the NFL presented

547
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: by Kalida Health. We all know that the Titans and

548
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: the wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins are expected to ink a

549
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: two year deal twenty six million dollars in tasker. I

550
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: haven't gotten your thoughts on this yet. I know you've

551
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: spoke on it, but I want to hear what you

552
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: have to say about it. What do you think? Do

553
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: you think the Titans are is the right place for him?

554
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: Are you surprised by two year, twenty six million dollar deal?

555
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: What do you think?

556
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: Well, the twenty six million dollars over two years, twelve

557
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: million the first year, when the chance to get fifteen

558
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: the next year if with incentives, it's a lot of

559
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: money for DeAndre Hopkins. And I think I think the Bills,

560
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Bengals, any of these teams

561
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: that might be considered contenders at this point of the season,

562
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: you know, before they've ever started. That's out of their

563
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: price rank. They're not going to pay him that. And

564
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: I think certainly he said he would love to go

565
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: to a contender, and I think he would have if

566
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: the money was the same. But nobody who thinks they're

567
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: going to have a shot at the super Bowl was

568
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: going to pay him or had that money under the

569
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: cap to pay it. That's a lot for years, and

570
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: I don't blame him. I hear that about going to

571
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: a contender all that, but when push comes to shove,

572
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: money speaks. Twelve million bucks is still life changing money.

573
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not life changing for DeAndre Hopkins at this

574
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: point of his career. But it's too much money not

575
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: to take.

576
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So from that perspective, because the last time I

577
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: was on the show, Chris Trapasso and I were kind

578
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: of talking about, Okay, where is he going to go?

579
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: Is he going to take the money versus a contender?

580
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: It's looking like he's going to take the money if

581
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 2: offered to him. From a perspective of you have played

582
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: in this league. You know the guys in this league.

583
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: You know the mindset of money over a contender at

584
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: that point in your career. He's a veteran in this league.

585
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: I know it depends on the person, but I was

586
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: kind of thinking if I was in his shoes, and

587
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: now you know, I'm different than DeAndre Hopkins. Who knows

588
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: if I was offered ten twelve million dollars what I

589
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: would do. But when you already have a decent amount

590
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: of money, when you're already a multi millionaire like he is,

591
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: is going to a contender almost better than receiving that money.

592
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: You can't guarantee a Super Bowl. That's a memorable, memorable, memorable,

593
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, life changing thing. If you're able to win

594
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl something that you'll never forget in your

595
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: NFL career. Would you want to sho shot at that

596
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: as a veteran over getting twenty six million dollars over

597
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 2: two years.

598
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

599
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I find that hard. I can understand both sides.

600
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this. I know this too. When you

601
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: get to a point in your career, maybe where DeAndre

602
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: Hopkins is, he might after ten years plus two rough

603
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: years of the past two years where he missed a

604
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: total of fifteen games over the last two years. Six

605
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: of them were for suspensions. But you know, injuries, and

606
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: he's starting to getting nicked up and it's hard to

607
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: dredge it up. He's played ten he's had a great

608
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: career already, and I don't want I can't get into

609
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: his mind, but I know this, at the end of

610
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: my career, it kind of would have felt like this

611
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: to me. The money is the only thing that makes

612
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: it worth it right now, because it's hard. They're not

613
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: paying me to play. They're not really paying DeAndre Hopkins

614
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: to play football, but the team is. They're paying DeAndre

615
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: Hopkins to get him to show up and prepare and

616
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: play well. They're paying for the guy's commitment. And when

617
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: I was thirteen year or twelve years in and one

618
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: of my thirteen it was really hard to dreadge up

619
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: for passion to prepare to play. So really you're paying,

620
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: You're really paying him to practice and play and get

621
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: ready to play. Play. Well, it's like trying to hire.

622
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: It's like trying to hire you know, you know one

623
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: of these like I don't know a billionaire. It's like

624
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: trying to hire a billionaire to come in and talk

625
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: to your job. Fair. He'll do it, but he ain't

626
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: doing it for nothing, and for to make it worth

627
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: his time, you got to really chunk it at him.

628
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: So that's kind of where these guys are. I'll show up,

629
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: I'll play, but man, oh man, I don't want to

630
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: play for that. I would rather I got so much money,

631
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: I would rather go to the go to the beach

632
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: in Jamaica for two And the.

633
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: Fan in me thinks, wouldn't you want to do it

634
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: for the love of the game, for the chance to win,

635
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: to love the game?

636
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: They do the game, but man oh man, the game

637
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: don't love you back. Yeah, you know what I mean.

638
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: It hurts, Like I said, and when late in my career,

639
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: you couldn't train hard because it hurt. You know what

640
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: I mean, You couldn't really practice hard. You got to

641
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: I have to train around my sore shoulder, and I

642
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: got to can't do this exercise because my ankle hurts,

643
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: and I can't do this exercise because I can't grip

644
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: like I used to. You know that kind of thing,

645
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: And so it used to be when you're young, these

646
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: guys can go out and they can run all day,

647
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: lift all day, jump all day, play hard all day

648
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: to get ready to play. When you get ten years in,

649
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: like DeAndre Hopkins, you got to think about, Okay.

650
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: I'd better be this much money because this is hard.

651
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: It's hard to train, let alone play. So I'm there

652
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Speaker 3: might be a little bit of that in him where

653
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: he's like, if it ain't this number, I just might

654
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: call it.

655
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I get that, I get that wide receiver aside

656
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins aside running backs. We mentioned that in the

657
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: first segment of the show, Saquon Barkleys, Josh Jacobs, and

658
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard no long term contracts for them that has passed,

659
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: so they will now all play on the franchise tag,

660
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 2: which is worth ten point nine to one million dollars

661
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: for running backs. Pollard has already signed his tender. Barkley

662
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: and Jacobs remain unsigned and will stay away from their

663
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: teams off season programs. Who knows when those two will

664
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: come back to their teams or participate in training camp.

665
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: If at all were you expecting a long term deal

666
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: to be reached with any of these players. It was

667
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: out there that Saquon and the Giants were in talks.

668
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: They you know, the Giants tried their best to get

669
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: something going with Saquon, but they weren't able to reach

670
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: an agreement. We've talked about the running back market on

671
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: this show, The Life of running Backs in today's NFL.

672
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: It's not what it used to be. The last time

673
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: I saw this tweet from Adam Schefter yesterday, he said,

674
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: with no long term deals for Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs,

675
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: and Tony Pollard, the last time a running back signed

676
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: a long term deal, long term contract worth ten million

677
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: or more per year was Nick Chubb in twenty twenty one,

678
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: seven hundred and seventeen days ago. If that says something,

679
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: that says a lot about the running back market and

680
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: where it's at.

681
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 3: Today, and it plays into what we've been talking about,

682
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: how hard hard the game is on guys. Rookies have

683
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: their best years in their first in their rookie contracts.

684
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: Saquon has the franchise. They think about this, and one

685
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: of my good friends texted us, texted me in this

686
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: the Five Presidents yesterday and he said, Okay, so they

687
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: paid Daniel Jones forty one million dollars a year for

688
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: fifteen touchdowns and whatever yards he got. Saquon Barkley was

689
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: sixty percent of the offense of the New York Giants

690
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: and they won't pay him. They won't give it to him.

691
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: And this season that he had last year. After the season,

692
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: I was like, he is so getting a long term deal.

693
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: This team needs him. He is their guy. He is

694
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: their offense. If you don't have him, what do you have.

695
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: You need to sign him to a long term deal.

696
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: And it just didn't happen. I was surprised. I thought

697
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: if anybody was going to get a long term deal,

698
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: it was gonna be Saquon Barkley.

699
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: I did too that he seems of the three were

700
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: talking about Tony Pollard, Saquon Barkley, and Josh Jacobs. Tony

701
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean He's the engine of the New York Giants

702
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: season last year, a playoff season, in a season where

703
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: they didn't think they were gonna go anywhere, they went

704
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: to and won a playoff game and Saquon was sixty

705
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 3: percent of the offensive side of the football. That's big.

706
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: And now they're gonna franchise him. Ten point nine million

707
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: dollars is the number, and that's that's amazing. That's the

708
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: economics where it just is like, wow.

709
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: That's Squon tweeted. It is what it is.

710
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to me that's a there's not too

711
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: many of them, but that's a flaw in the way

712
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: the game is. That's a flaw.

713
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: I I know, it's where the game is at. I

714
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: know this is a pass first league. I understand that.

715
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: I understand that with the quarterbacks that are in the

716
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: NFL today. But for someone who I love to root

717
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: for the players, you know, I love to root for

718
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: them being at their best, and because they're at their best,

719
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: getting a good amount of money in return for what

720
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: they're able to put on the field. And it's I

721
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: totally get why they're upset, why they're frustrated. It sucks

722
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: that this is where the running back market is today

723
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: to where guys like Sequon who go thirteen hundred rushing

724
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: yards last year ten touchdowns, Josh Jacobs who has over

725
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred rushing yards and twelve touchdowns, Tony Pollard one

726
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: thousand rushing yards and nine rushing touches down, they can't

727
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: get long term deals with their teams. It's saying that

728
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: you know you are replaceable at some point in your

729
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: career a lot quicker than other position groups. And it's

730
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: easy to find rookie running backs or veteran running backs

731
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: who aren't going to be paid too much to get

732
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: the job done depending on what type of offense you

733
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: run on your team. I wish it wasn't the case

734
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: for these guys. It's the case right now. I wonder

735
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: how long this is going to go on to where

736
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: running backs really aren't worth too much because you're paying

737
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: quarterbacks so much, you're paying wide receivers so much, you're

738
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: paying edge rushers, tackles, left tackles, defensive tackles so much

739
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: money to where there's just not enough to go around, right.

740
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: And it's also this too, the philosophies have changed. We're

741
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: regarding running back. Buffalo is a perfect example for it

742
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 3: and others as well, where most teams don't have Saquon Barkley,

743
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: so they've got they've got James Cook, Devin Singletary, Zach Moss,

744
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: and Nahim Hinds and all four of them play. They play,

745
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: all of them because it's such a brutal and physical

746
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: place to play, and you have to have a certain

747
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: you have to have a skill set that's wide ranging

748
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: as a white as a running back, and you got

749
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: to be tough as nails, and you got to be

750
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: big enough and strong enough, and you got to be

751
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: able to protect and all this stuff you gotta do.

752
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: And so they can find guys and piece meal a

753
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: complete backfield together three players. One guy's a pass protector,

754
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: one guy's a cat pass catcher, one guy's a physical runner.

755
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: They can all kind of run it.

756
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: They cost you a couple million.

757
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: Or one guy. Yeah, one guy's got one guy's got speed,

758
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: the other guy's got hand whatever. And so you piece

759
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: it together. You go, at least you put together as

760
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: many pieces as you can without becoming so predictable as

761
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: when he's in the game, they're going to do this.

762
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: And when that guy's in the game, they're going to

763
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: do that and for and they pay him each three

764
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 3: three point five four million bucks a year. You got

765
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: taken care of. You got three guys on the roster

766
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: instead of just one. And if if Saquon Barkley twists

767
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: his ankle, it's all gone.

768
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: And some of them may even help on special.

769
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: Teams too, that's right. So it just they get more

770
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: production and more coverage of all the skill sets and

771
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: things you need on a football team from three guys

772
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 3: for less money than they do one elite running back.

773
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: And the drop off is it's not noticeable, particularly where

774
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: you've got to If you've got a quarterback, he's the

775
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: guy you know you don't miss handing the ball off

776
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: because you don't want to hand it off, you want

777
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: to throw it. So that's kind of the philosophical shift

778
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: of where we're at and the running and.

779
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: It sucks for those guys, man.

780
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: And you know the thing too, is when you're little,

781
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: when you're coming up through the ranks, everybody wants to

782
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: be the running back because they get the ball because

783
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: nobody can throw it. You don't have enough quarterbacks and

784
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, so they run the ball

785
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: a lot. So those guys. You know, it's great when

786
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: you're handing the ball and you're the guy and you

787
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: can run it and.

788
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: Save you if you have a can't touch. You have

789
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: a kid today, and that kid wants to play football,

790
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: you're telling them that kid, do not play running back.

791
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: Learn how to catch or learn how to tackle. Yeah,

792
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: don't do it, don't carry the ball. Oh my gosh,

793
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: you're right. I mean, that's it's philosophically, you can see it.

794
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: And the problem is, because there are so many young

795
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: running backs. The best athlete on the young teams, he's

796
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: the guy that you put in the backfield and hand

797
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 3: it to him. He's the guy because he's physically better

798
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: when they're little then, and he that stays throughout the

799
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: levels of football. The problem is there's a ton of

800
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: those guys, and from a guy like Saquon Barkley and

801
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs and Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb and all

802
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: these guys, there's not that big a drop off between

803
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 3: them and Kenneth Walker and Jamal Williams from Detroit and

804
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones from Green Bay and Ramondre Stevenson know and

805
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: Tyler Algier you know from Atlanta, Najee Harris from Pittsburgh.

806
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: You go down the list, all those guys have a

807
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: thousand yards in the season on the year last year,

808
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: So it's not that huge of a drop off from

809
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: the top elite guys down to you get down the

810
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: middle of the pack in the rushing totals of the NFL.

811
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: You know who could change all this. Let's see what

812
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Bejean Robinson does in his first few years.

813
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could either change it or reinforce it. You know.

814
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: It's I'll say this, I love where the Bills are

815
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: at with their running back room with you know, Nahim Heinz,

816
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: James James Cook, Damien Harris, Latavius Murray and all those

817
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: guys have some chops in the league and they bring something.

818
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: But that's that's what we're looking at. That whole room

819
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: is Saquon Barkley count You know what I mean. There's

820
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: there may be a little bit, but there's not that

821
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: much financially different from them.

822
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: M hm. You know, here's a tweet for veteran running

823
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: backs this offseason. Guys who took a pay cut, Joe Mixon,

824
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, guys who were cut Ezekiel, Ezekiel Elliott, Dalvin Cook,

825
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: Leonard Fournett tagged, but no deal. Saquan Josh Jacobs, Tony

826
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: Pollard wanted a new deal and asked for a trade.

827
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler has been a free agent all off season.

828
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: Kareem Hunt, it is tough sledding for these guys out here,

829
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: man o, mission is so hard. One more thing before

830
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Speaker 2: we go to break tasker Cleveland Brown's unveiled an alternate white.

831
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: Did you see?

832
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: I like it?

833
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: It looks I got it. You know, I'm not. I'm

834
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: not a Browns fan. I'm you know, I got I've

835
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: got a lot of respect for the franchise in their

836
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: history and all that. But it looks great. The white

837
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: helmet with the orange and brown stripes down the middle,

838
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: and it looks so good. It looks great. I love it.

839
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: I think there, that's I always had. I like the

840
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: white jersey these buy and large. I like the away

841
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: jerseys for teams around the league more than I do

842
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: their their home colors. White looks clean and fresh, and man,

843
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: oh man, this outfit for the Browns is. Yeah, that's

844
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 3: the best look they've had in fifty years.

845
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: Let's see if they can play that.

846
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: Maybe in their history. They may be that may be

847
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: the best looking Browns uniform I have ever seen in

848
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: my lifetime.

849
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: I like it, way to go white helmets. Love the

850
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: alternate helmets like it. Can't wait to.

851
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: See someone continue to stink in them.

852
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: But I do like that, But I like what you're wearing.

853
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,279
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855
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,479
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Speaker 2: All right. Our Twitter topic for today is what new

872
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: wrinkle do you want to see from Ken Dorsey and

873
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: the Bills offense this season? A great question as we

874
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Speaker 2: roll into training camp, and we've had Kevin from Hamburg

875
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: who's been hanging on the line. So Kevin, let's go

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Speaker 2: right on over to you and see what you have

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Speaker 2: to say about you.

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Speaker 1: How you doing doing good?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm fine, but I want to rinko. I wanted to

881
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: bring up is now that I called about this back

882
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: when they first signed Damian Harris and Murray. Now we

883
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: got some tankier dudes. I hope we use them a

884
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: lot more like like take for example, And I remember

885
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: calling this to Steve. I think you probably remember I

886
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: brought up the Packer game because of all the games

887
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: last year that the Bills won, that one irked me

888
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: the most because we could have crushed them. But we

889
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: didn't have a great running game with guys like that,

890
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: and we could have crushed them so Josh had to

891
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: do all the work and throw two bad picks to

892
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: let him get back in the game, which they should

893
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: have been a massacre. But I hope we have two

894
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: tank you guys finally Dorsey used them a lot more.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, that's right. I

896
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Speaker 3: would And I understand what you said, Kevin. I would

897
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Speaker 3: much rather if you go back to the Packer game.

898
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: I would much rather not. I mean, I like the

899
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Speaker 3: guys that got it. I'm glad they did this, Luth,

900
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Speaker 3: Latavious Murray and Damian Harris. I love the guys in

901
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: James Coach's gonna be great. But if you're gonna go

902
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 3: back and fix the game from last year, I would

903
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: fix it by cutting out the turnovers rather than changing

904
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: out the players. The Packer game should have been what

905
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Speaker 3: it was. It was a big win. I mean, they

906
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: won't beat him by ten, and it wasn't that close,

907
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: like you said, But if you didn't turn the ball

908
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: over three times, it would never have been in any

909
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: kind of doubt. So if you're gonna fix things, that's

910
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Speaker 3: what you fix. Just don't turn the ball over. And

911
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: you're right though, in a game like that where you're

912
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: routing people. If you could run the ball well, you

913
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have to throw it and wouldn't turn it over

914
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Speaker 3: so much. I get it. So you know, for me,

915
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Speaker 3: that's what you fix. You don't change your philosophy, you

916
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Speaker 3: just don't turn it.

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Speaker 2: Over in terms of using running backs more and helping

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Speaker 2: out with that rushing offense. Looking back at numbers from

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Speaker 2: last year, and this is a skew number because Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen did average a lot of rushing yards a game.

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Speaker 2: The Bills ranked seventh, averaging one hundred and thirty nine

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Speaker 2: point five rushing yards per game. Josh had a bulk

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Speaker 2: of those. Looking back at another stat, so this was

924
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Speaker 2: from the playoffs last season, Bill's leading non Okay, so,

925
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Speaker 2: non Josh Allen rushers averaged thirty nine point four rushing

926
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Speaker 2: yards per game in playoff games since Josh Allen was drafted.

927
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Speaker 2: That was heading into the Divisional round game against the Bengals,

928
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Speaker 2: which the Bills lost. And I would assume not much

929
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Speaker 2: has changed with that stat. That's that's a that's kind

930
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: of a wild stat right that running backs who are

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Speaker 2: not Josh Allen averaged thirty nine point four rushing yard

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Speaker 2: per game. Rushing yards per game in playoff games since

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Speaker 2: Josh was drafted, and I would assume that number since

934
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Speaker 2: they had only played one more playoff game after that,

935
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Speaker 2: that number hasn't changed much. We'll see what the cases

936
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Speaker 2: this year. And you know, I understand in the playoffs

937
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: you want to use your best asset. Their best asset

938
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Speaker 2: is Josh Allen and so sure the passing maybe a

939
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: little bit more in the bills favor in terms of

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Speaker 2: how they're using it in terms of the share. But

941
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: it is colder outside. You are playing games in January

942
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Speaker 2: in February, and that's when people say you want to

943
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Speaker 2: lean on your rushing game a little bit more because

944
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Speaker 2: the games that you are playing outside it gets a

945
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: little bit tougher when the weather gets colder. You're gonna

946
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Speaker 2: want to use something like that. You're gonna want to

947
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Speaker 2: have that in your arsenal. And I think that's what

948
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Speaker 2: I look back on the most with this team since

949
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: Josh has been drafted. Is sure, he's a superhero in

950
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, and he can handle the rock

951
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: and he can take it in in short yard situations

952
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: to score touchdowns, and he can jump over people. But

953
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Speaker 2: you would like to be able to have that in

954
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: your in your pocket, in your toolbox to use when

955
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: you need it to use to help throw defenses in

956
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: even more of a loop than they already in than

957
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: they're already in, because you have to be preparing for

958
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: two things instead of really just one thing. You don't

959
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: want to get.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to prepare for Josh Allen. You want

961
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: to prepare for everybody else. Yeah, that's what you want.

962
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: You want enough guys out there that are threats to

963
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: the defense there where they got to think, Okay, listen,

964
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: Latavious Murray if he comes in, or if Damien Harris

965
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: comes in, or James Cook, whoever, if they're in there,

966
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: they can run the ball out of it, and we've

967
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Speaker 3: got to be ready for it. So we got to

968
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: if they get into this formation with these people and

969
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: they run this shift, we're gonna drop a guy down

970
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: into the box. That kind of stuff. And when those

971
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: kind when you get teams thinking about everything except Josh

972
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: where they don't have to worry about. All they gotta

973
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: do is cover up Steph Diggs on passing downs and

974
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: then try and defend Josh right, keep him in the pocket,

975
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: rush in your lanes, make sure he doesn't have any

976
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: place to run to get him on the ground. That's

977
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: what your game plan would be up until the last year.

978
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: Now you think, okay, well wait a minute, now, if

979
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: they get into a passing down, we can't rush our lanes,

980
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: and we got to get there fast because if we don't,

981
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: he's gonna dump it off quick to James Cook, or

982
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna dump it off to Ken Caid or Knox.

983
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: He's gonna take the easy throw. Josh didn't do that

984
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 3: very much last year, and that's not on Ken Dorsey,

985
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: that's on Josh. There were a lot of times when

986
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: Josh was trying to snap off a big chunk and

987
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: he wouldn't teams see that about him. The Minnesota Vikings

988
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: said that after the game they just knew that Josh

989
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: was gonna try and fit the ball in deep, so

990
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: they would play. They didn't even cover Devin Singletary coming out.

991
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: They just leave him and Josh was you know, he

992
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: still almost beat him and should have. Yeah, but that's

993
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: what teams are thinking when they play this game. When

994
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: they played Josh and these guys, they they know they

995
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: think Josh is not going to be disciplined enough to

996
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: dink and dunk and just keep getting first downs all

997
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 3: the way down the field. So they bade him into

998
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: trying to throw it into some place where he's not

999
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: going to do it, and he did last year, and.

1000
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: I think this year, going into this year, I think

1001
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: he has a chip on his shoulder in that sense

1002
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: of this was a flaw in my game last year

1003
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: and I'm going to correct it. And any time that

1004
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: he's gone into an offseason with something to work on,

1005
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: it's been better the next year. He's shown significant improvements

1006
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: in areas that he's wanted to work on in offseason,

1007
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: and I expect that will be the same for this season.

1008
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: Is not being baited into those things, and also fixing

1009
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: the turnovers that he had last season. Be florid, go

1010
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: to break. I want to clarify the stat now that

1011
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm reading it and understanding it, So it wasn't the

1012
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: running back room averaged thirty nine point four rushing yards

1013
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: per game in playoff games since Josh Allen was drafted.

1014
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: It was the leading rusher that was not Josh Allen

1015
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: averaged thirty nine point four rushing yards per game in

1016
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: playoff games since Josh Allen was drafted. The first game

1017
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: with over sixty rushing yards by a running back out

1018
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: of the seven playoff games at that point. Singletary had

1019
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty one in the wild card game

1020
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: against the Patriots. Hopefully we see a lot more of

1021
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: that in this season with a bunch of new faces

1022
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: in that running back room.

1023
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it'll be fun to see because those guys

1024
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: Damien Harrison Latavious Merge are big dudes who can pound it.

1025
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: The offensive line has gotten bigger and more athletic. Up front,

1026
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: you got a new tight end as a first round

1027
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: draft pick. You could see some twelve personnel and all

1028
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you got a lot of big dudes

1029
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: up there with some big backs and a big quarterback,

1030
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: and you know, let's see if you can not get

1031
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: pushed around by them. You know, that'll be fun to see.

1032
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: If they in the preseason, we may get a chance

1033
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: to see it.

1034
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: All right, We're answering your calls and your tweets after

1035
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: this break, so stick with us here on One Bill's Live.

1036
00:53:32,480 --> 00:54:18,600
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1037
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,200
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00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: Welcome into One Bill's Live. Our number two of our

1039
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: Tuesday show, Matty Glab filling in for Chris Brown next

1040
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: to my guy Steve Tasker, and our Twitter topic today

1041
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: is what new wrinkle do you want to see from

1042
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey and the Bill's offense this season? The perfect

1043
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: question to ask as training camp is just days. Oh wait,

1044
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: I remember in February or March or April whenever the

1045
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: guys came back April for workouts. So I was like, man,

1046
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: training camp is around on the corner. Now it really

1047
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: is around the corner. I cannot believe. Wednesday next Wednesday

1048
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: is the first practiced for us.

1049
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 3: For us, we're already there. We go out here. Now

1050
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 3: you've been gone for two weeks and I was gone

1051
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: like two weeks before that. It's vacant. There's nobody here.

1052
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: So you come out today and it's like, guys, are

1053
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: people are back to normal? It's like, oh wow, they

1054
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 3: turn the lights on it. You know, it's it's awesome.

1055
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 3: So we're already kind of there. You go in there

1056
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: and you see these guys and there's new guys in there,

1057
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 3: particularly today with the rookies that like the okay, who's

1058
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: that guy? You gotta used to like okay, yeah, okay,

1059
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: yeahm him. And then you know, the wily veterans show

1060
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 3: up these days too, right.

1061
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Spencer was in the weight room today.

1062
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: They show up and they go okay, yeah, you know,

1063
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: because they want to get a head start as well.

1064
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, guys are getting antsy to get it, and.

1065
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: Some guys just stay in Buffalo. Some guys just think

1066
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: it's easier. Hey, I'll take my trips when I can't,

1067
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: I'll take the weekend trips, I'll take a week off,

1068
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna put down roots in Buffalo for

1069
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: the off season because it's just easier to do so.

1070
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: If I'm rehabbing, if I want to use the weight room,

1071
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: if I want to be with my my the strength

1072
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: staff that helps me, or the trainers who can help

1073
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: me rehabit's just easier for some of the players to

1074
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: be in Buffalo full time in the off season.

1075
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: I did it that way, Yeah, we it was. I

1076
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: was of the generation in the league where that was

1077
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: a smart thing to do, even when we're living here

1078
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, because only the only the really big dudes,

1079
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: the superstars, would even think about paying a guy to

1080
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 3: help train them, you know, it was a new thing now,

1081
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: and we just took advantage of the coaching staff that

1082
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: was already in place, came in use them and they

1083
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: helped us. And plus, you know, you get seen every day.

1084
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: Hard to say goodbye to a guy you've seen every day, right,

1085
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: We felt like maybe they wouldn't cut us if they

1086
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: you know, they've been here, right, So that's kind of

1087
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 3: the thing. So I always stayed here in the off season,

1088
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: and you would take trips as we needed to get

1089
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: out of town or go do whatever. I think a

1090
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: lot of guys you can see it. Guys do that

1091
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: they hang out here, and it certainly you can just

1092
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: you know, take a trip for weekend and yeah, go home.

1093
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: Not bad.

1094
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: We're taking a couple of feks that summer. So it's uh.

1095
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: I think it's a really smart thing to do because

1096
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: it gives you that kind of knowledge.

1097
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: By Osmosis, I understand why some of the fringe guys

1098
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: want to do it. Well, why some of the guys

1099
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: who who are fighting for a spot on the roster

1100
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: would want to stay here, just like you said, to

1101
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: be around, to be you know, in person, to to

1102
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: get to work out with the strength staff and with

1103
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: your trainers. I think I think it. You know, it

1104
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: shows that that you want to be here, that you

1105
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: want to be on the team, and that you're willing

1106
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: to do, you know, whatever it takes to to fight

1107
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: for a roster spot. But back to our Twitter question

1108
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: of what new wrinkle do you want to see from

1109
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey in the Bills offense this season? We've had

1110
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: Joe who's been hanging on the line from Williamsville. So

1111
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: Joe will go over to you and we'll ask you

1112
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: what wrinkle do you want to see out of Ken

1113
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: Dorsey and this offense this season? Let's see if I

1114
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: can get Joe on.

1115
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my call.

1116
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: Hey Joe, how are you?

1117
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 5: Hey, Matie and Steve? Thanks for taking my call. If

1118
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 5: I'm breathing a little hard, it's because I've been working

1119
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 5: out in between breaks. Here anyway, to answer your question first,

1120
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 5: and then I want a quick comment after that. I

1121
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 5: agree with Kevin that because of the improved backfield that

1122
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 5: we have over last year, I would like to see

1123
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 5: the running backs utilized more. And I know Josh Allen

1124
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 5: is the head of the offense and it's going to

1125
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 5: our success is going to depend on his passing and

1126
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 5: the receiving, but I'd like to see the running backs

1127
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 5: utilized more. Yeah, but last week I heard the concerning

1128
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 5: interview with Vinnie tester D and I think the future

1129
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 5: of football as we know it today isn't going to

1130
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 5: be the same in years to come. And basically what

1131
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 5: they had doctors on this interview also with him, and

1132
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 5: they felt that the major cause of CTE was the concussions.

1133
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 5: And now they're saying that it's the hits that a

1134
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 5: player takes. And they had it broken down by a position, quarterback,

1135
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 5: running back, defensive back. They take anywhere from twenty eight

1136
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 5: to thirty g's per hit, and so what is a

1137
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 5: g They said, a twenty eight or thirty g hit

1138
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 5: is equivalent to a thirty mile an hour car crash.

1139
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 5: And Vinnie Testaverdi.

1140
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 4: As you probably well known, he was in the league

1141
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: for twenty one years. He retired in two thousand and seven,

1142
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: and he's fifty nine years old, and the guy looked great,

1143
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 4: in good shape, He could carry on a conversation, but

1144
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: he said years back he had problems with his speech,

1145
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 4: his thoughts, process and everything, and through his medical doctors

1146
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 4: and physical therapists, he was able to overcome it. But

1147
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 4: then they also said what they're thinking of doing is

1148
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 4: kids should not play tackle football at least until they're

1149
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 4: twelve years of age. Flag football is fine, but tackle

1150
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,479
Speaker 4: football at least not until twelve, and then they would

1151
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 4: need a consent to the parent. So anyway, that's my

1152
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 4: answer your question. And you know, the interview that I

1153
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 4: saw last week, I thought that was, you know, quite

1154
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 4: disturbing because we know about the game the way it is,

1155
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 4: but you can see the changes that are being made

1156
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 4: on the kickoff this year.

1157
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, and they are, Yeah, thanks for the call, Joe,

1158
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 3: You're right, and they are you know, doing what they

1159
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: can to make the game safe for not only rule

1160
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: on the rules, but also with the equipment. I mean,

1161
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: you had guys like Vinnie and myself. He probably started

1162
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: playing football and with a six point suspension helmet that

1163
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: had canvas straps in it, and then it's evolved from there.

1164
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: Now they've got helmets that are more like crash helmets

1165
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: than football helmets, and that is a huge step in

1166
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: the right direction. Plus making you know, stopping guys from

1167
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: you know, not letting teams form wedges on kickoffs and

1168
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: having guys running opposite directions and not trying to avoid

1169
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: each other as a like you did on kickoffs and

1170
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 3: got on kickoffs, no question about it. And I was

1171
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 3: we were watching in the control room today the NFL

1172
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: films had the top ten greatest pass rushers of all time.

1173
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: Bruce was on the list, Deacon Jones was the nomber

1174
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: one guy they had, and all of that, all these

1175
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: pass rushers, and you would go back, you go back

1176
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: and watch the films of the hits in the pocket

1177
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: that the NFL quarterbacks used to take, like Vinnie testeverity

1178
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: it and I say this all the time. It was

1179
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: an It was literally a half step above a bar fights.

1180
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just brutal, just absolutely brutal. So

1181
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,959
Speaker 3: now the game is way more positive, and we don't

1182
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: know what. We don't know the positive or even negative

1183
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 3: effects that the rule changes. And the better equipment, the

1184
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: better coaching, the softer schedules, generally speaking, are for players,

1185
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 3: and we don't know what those are going to be

1186
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: for the players. The effects are going to be in

1187
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: generations to come. But I have to applaud the effort

1188
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: made by not only the National Football League, but also

1189
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: lower levels of football toward making it more fun and

1190
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 3: safer for kids, and get kids small kid like I

1191
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: used to be a really tiny little kid, getting them

1192
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 3: equipment that fits, getting the equipment that's safe, and getting

1193
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: them equipment the best equipment available so they can, you know,

1194
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: live their lives the way they want and not be

1195
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: afraid to play a game like footb Yeah. And I

1196
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: don't have a problem with making them wait until they're twelve.

1197
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: I did, definitely.

1198
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: The problem is I had two concussions before I played football. Yeah,

1199
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: just because I was a little kid back in the

1200
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: sixties and you know, you're riding around in the back

1201
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: of a pickup track, you know, that kind of stuff

1202
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 3: right there, nobody had seen. You know, there's a different world.

1203
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: I got my first concussion at a little basketball camp,

1204
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: right so, you know, life.

1205
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: Is life, Life happens.

1206
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I applaud the efforts of the league, the NFL,

1207
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 3: college football, the NCAA USA football. They're really doing a

1208
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: great job of making the game safer and making it

1209
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: available and safe, more safe, available to a lot more.

1210
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1211
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: I love this game so much. I love football. I

1212
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: want to work in football for the rest of my

1213
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: life if possible. And I think it's so cool how

1214
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: the game brings people together. But with that, I also

1215
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: think that the NFL and other leagues across the world,

1216
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: and leagues who are bringing kids up in college football

1217
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: and your pop Pop Warmer Warner leagues and all that

1218
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: they should be striving to do whatever they can to

1219
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: make this game as safe as it can be so

1220
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: that it can be played for a long long time

1221
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: and we don't have to live in a world where

1222
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: either football doesn't exist or it looks very very different.

1223
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it will look different because they're trying to make

1224
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 2: it as safe as it can be. And I think

1225
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: even if it's tough, we should all be on board

1226
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: for something like that because you should want the best

1227
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: for their players and their safety and their health. Flag

1228
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: football is becoming really really popular for kids, for girls,

1229
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: for boys, for co ed leagues. I have loved to

1230
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: see how the game has grown to the point where

1231
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: high schools are now offering it as a sport that

1232
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: you can play. College teams. Colleges are also now having

1233
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: flag football teams and starting to recruit people to play

1234
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: on those teams. We did a story that's going to

1235
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: be released hopefully today or tomorrow on Bobby Babbage's daughter,

1236
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: Laney Babbage, she plays flag football for Orchard Park High School,

1237
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: and it was so fun to cover a few of

1238
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: those games and to tell her story and to just

1239
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: see how much those kids love flag football.

1240
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 4: Was there.

1241
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: It was Orchard Park's second year of having the flag

1242
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: football team, and they had about twenty thirty girls on

1243
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: the roster, and a lot of them, you know, it

1244
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: was their first or second year playing the sport. And

1245
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: we interviewed Lane and a couple other people, and a

1246
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: lot of them said, you know, I wish I could

1247
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: play this sooner. I wish it was a high school

1248
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: sport for longer. So it's been cool to see how

1249
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: the game has kind of blown up, at least in

1250
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: the western New York area. And the Bills have done

1251
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: a lot also to help grow the game of flag football,

1252
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to opportunities for girls to play

1253
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: the sport. So I think that's super cool. And if

1254
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: flag football is the thing that now kids are playing

1255
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: until they're twelve, until it's they can start playing tackle football,

1256
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: then heck yeah, I think flag football is so much fun.

1257
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: I played flag football in middle school. I wish I

1258
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: could have played it at high school. I wish it

1259
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: was a sport to play. I played it for fun

1260
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: for a few years after I graduated from college with

1261
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: teams with friends. So I'm on board. I think it's

1262
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: very entertaining too.

1263
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: It's great, it's a great, it's a great. It gets

1264
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: exposed as kids to a great aspect of the game. Uh,

1265
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: it's it's great. It's fun, and it promotes teamwork, and

1266
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 3: that's one of the great things about being a football player. So,

1267
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 3: and for Joe who just called in, you know, he

1268
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 3: says he and getting back to what he said about

1269
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 3: the running backs, you know, he wants them to be

1270
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: used more. I'm okay with that too. I don't I

1271
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 3: don't have a problem having the running backs on the

1272
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 3: field and being used more. I just don't want to

1273
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: hand them the ball more. I'll throw it to him.

1274
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: I just don't want to hand it to him. Here's

1275
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: the problem. If you can hand the football off one

1276
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: hundred percent of the time and win the game, the

1277
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: game becomes easy. It's never gonna be easy. And you

1278
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: need to have a fully developed, ready to go passing

1279
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: game on all aspects and have it well looped and

1280
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: oiled up. And you gotta have guys ready to do.

1281
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 3: They got him engaged all the time. You can't, like

1282
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 3: just you can't. And it's like it used to be

1283
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: in the sixties where it was mostly run, and it's

1284
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 3: like sixty run, forty percent pass. The reason they had

1285
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 3: struggled to pass is because they didn't do it very much.

1286
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 3: Nobody was really that development. That wasn't that polished. It's

1287
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 3: the same thing now. The run game's easy because all

1288
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: you got to do is turn around and hand it

1289
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: off and then let this Saquon Barkley or Josh Jacobs

1290
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: or one of these other Chubb or whatever just do

1291
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: their thing. You know this finger quote, do your thing, man,

1292
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 3: Just turn you loose right, just find an open just

1293
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: run it over there. If you can do that, that's easy.

1294
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 3: It doesn't work. Even bad teams can stop the run,

1295
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 3: you know, and something under under weird circumstances. You you

1296
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: gotta really, you gotta really stink on a day to

1297
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 3: give up a to not be to force a team

1298
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: to have to throw the football. Remember the win, the

1299
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 3: forty minle hour win game here in Buffalo. That never happens.

1300
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: It never happens.

1301
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, six passing attempts, right, so that game.

1302
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 3: It's just too it's just too weird to even think about.

1303
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 3: So I'm I don't mind them using the running backs more,

1304
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: but they better be catching it, not just taking it

1305
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 3: out of Josh's hand.

1306
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: You gotta do it differently now.

1307
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 3: That's just the way it is, because it's just the

1308
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 3: most efficient way to move the football. Yeah, excuse me.

1309
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: All right, Mark from West Seneca has been hanging on

1310
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: the line, and Mark, we want to bring you into

1311
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: the conversation. What wrinkle do you think Ken Dorsey should

1312
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 2: add to the offense this season? All right, let's go

1313
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: to Mark.

1314
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 6: Oh hockey. Mark, Yeah, I didn't think I was on

1315
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 6: there for a minute that I got a couple of wrinkles.

1316
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 6: But a quick comment on the youth thing. I was

1317
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 6: a youth hockey coach for over thirty years, and early

1318
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 6: in my career, checking hockey was not allowed to use

1319
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 6: hockey until twelve years old, and then USA Hockey went

1320
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 6: so far and they uped it. Now it's fourteen. So

1321
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 6: I find it really curious that you look at a

1322
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 6: collision sport like football and they're letting the kids at

1323
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 6: young ages run into each other, tackle each other and

1324
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 6: all that. But in hockey, where a kid might get

1325
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 6: hit two three times a game, maybe throw two or

1326
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 6: three checks a game. They've opped it in ages, So

1327
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 6: I think it's a really good point that they need

1328
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 6: to look at that as far as tackle football at

1329
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 6: young ages. As far as the wrinkles go, I have

1330
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 6: an old new wrinkle and then one other one. My

1331
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 6: old new one is it seemed to me in the

1332
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 6: red zone the design runs for Josh went away last year,

1333
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 6: and I think, especially with the threat of Damien Harris

1334
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 6: and Murray in the red zone, that a few more

1335
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 6: I'm not saying a lot, but a few more red

1336
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 6: zone designed red zone runs for Josh in the red

1337
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 6: zone really really make us dangerous. And a couple of

1338
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 6: years ago we were unstoppable in the red zone, and

1339
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 6: that's when Josh really seemed to be running in the

1340
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 6: red zone quite a bit. And the other wrinkle I

1341
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 6: have is I'd like to see them just use all

1342
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 6: their personnel all over the field. There were games last

1343
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 6: year the eye test told me that certain players disappeared

1344
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 6: in certain games completely weren't being used. Weren't we may

1345
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 6: have been on the field, but weren't having the ball

1346
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 6: throw onto them or whatever it might be, and I

1347
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 6: think they need to make sure that they're attacking teams

1348
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:21,480
Speaker 6: and keeping them all balanced by using everybody consistently and

1349
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 6: not going away from players in the name of attacking

1350
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 6: defenses in certain areas only. So that's what I had guys.

1351
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, I get you.

1352
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: Mark. It's an interesting point about the NHL, you know,

1353
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 3: raising the level of contact to fourteen instead of twelve,

1354
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: because that's when when my guys were younger, that's when

1355
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: it was as well, it was twelve years old. I

1356
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: do think this too. The NHL has done their share

1357
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 3: of changing their game and letting it evolve away from

1358
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: the fighting. You know, you hardly ever see fights like

1359
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 3: he did in hockey. I mean it was it was

1360
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 3: commonplace to see multiple fights in a hockey game every

1361
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 3: night back in the back in the early days of

1362
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: the sport and even when I was young. The evolution

1363
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 3: that NHL has seen also mirrors the lack of the

1364
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 3: less physicality or different, completely different type of physicality that

1365
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: has happened in the NHL. So they responded to that,

1366
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: and I would think that's an interesting point by you

1367
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 3: to raise the level of where you can start tackling

1368
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 3: players in tackle football instead of flag football. Maybe raise

1369
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 3: that level nationally to you know, make it safer for

1370
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 3: kids until they get to a point. Now, as far

1371
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: as you know Josh running in the red zone, I

1372
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: don't know. I think Josh is an effective red zone runner.

1373
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 3: And if you can run the ball in the red zone,

1374
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: you're you're really successful. That's that's what's really crucial in

1375
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 3: the red zone. If you can run it, you're really

1376
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 3: good because there's just no space. That's why Josh is

1377
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 3: such an effective runner. It's just you got an extra blocker.

1378
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 3: You throw the running back out in front of him,

1379
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 3: and it's like student body, right, and we've all seen

1380
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 3: and he touched the ball under his head, under his arm,

1381
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 3: it's magical. Thing, ducks his shoulder and he follows to

1382
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 3: both of whichever offensive lineman's uncovered. They all get out

1383
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: in front of him. The running back gets out in

1384
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 3: front of him, Dowson Knox gets out in front of him,

1385
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 3: and the receivers out there out in front of him,

1386
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: and everybody just kind of bowls into the end zone together.

1387
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: Very effective. And I don't have a problem with any

1388
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 3: of that stuff, although it's dangerous because there's too many

1389
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: bodies out there not to get hit by somebody. If

1390
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 3: you're the quarterback, you don't want Josh can hit by anybody,

1391
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: and that's dangerous. And I get it. The red zone

1392
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: is the important spot of the field, but it's not

1393
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: that it's not important to score touchdown on any given drive.

1394
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 3: If you're gonna lose your quarterback over it, you don't

1395
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: want to do that. And using everybody all the time.

1396
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: Don't let like, don't let Gabe Davis disappear in a game.

1397
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: Don't let Steph Diggs get disappear in a game. That

1398
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: is more of a function of game of the game

1399
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 3: itself rather than a plan. It's not Dorsey's plan to

1400
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: focus away from Gabe Dave or away from Steph Diggs,

1401
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 3: or away from Dawson Knox or away from whoever it

1402
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 3: is you're thinking disappeared. That's a function of a game

1403
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 3: plan that is being executed by your team against the

1404
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 3: defense that's making decisions on its own. So if there's

1405
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: places where Steph Diggs disappears, you can bet it's because

1406
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 3: Josh sees them double team and him and is making

1407
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 3: them pay forward with Gabe Davis and you know Trent

1408
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 3: Sherfield and Dawson Knox and James Cook, somebody else is

1409
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 3: eating if somebody disappears, So you're you're always gonna have

1410
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 3: one or two guys that are up or down where

1411
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 3: there's only so many snaps you get into a game,

1412
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 3: and the distribution of those snaps and who gets the

1413
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: ball on every one of them is going to change

1414
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 3: game to game because of the defense you're playing. It's

1415
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 3: not because of Ken Dorsey or anybody else. And certainly

1416
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: Dorsey can dial up a play for Steph Diggs, but

1417
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: the defense can take it away, so you gotta go

1418
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 3: somewhere else.

1419
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point of using everybody, I mean, Dorsey's

1420
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: gonna have more options in his bag of tricks this

1421
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: year because of the players on the roster, and so

1422
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: you know, you want to see him use everything that

1423
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: he has from game to game. Maybe some games you

1424
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 2: might not see as much twelve personnel because of the

1425
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: defense that you're playing, but being able to use that

1426
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: throughout the off season to your advantage, not the offseason,

1427
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: through the season to your advantage. Like, of course I

1428
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: want to see the twelve personnel. I want to see

1429
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid used even though he's a rookie. I do

1430
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: want to see him get thrown out there. He's he's

1431
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: going to be a piece to this offense this year

1432
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: that's hopefully going to put them a notch higher than

1433
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 2: they were last year because of what he can do,

1434
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 2: because of his hands, because of his elite ball skills

1435
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: that everybody has talked about all offseason. I want to

1436
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: see them use Damien Harris as a bulldozer in the

1437
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: red zone because he has great numbers in the red zone,

1438
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: so does Latavious Murray. Maybe we see a little bit

1439
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: more of that rather than Josh Allen in the red

1440
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: zone this year, because you have guys who have been

1441
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: able to do it and who have done it at

1442
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: a high level. I think sometimes last year we didn't

1443
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: see more of let's say, Gabe Davis because the injuries

1444
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: were a thing for a lot of these players, because

1445
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: the offensive line was banged up and injured or it

1446
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: wasn't working how it should game to game. And hopefully

1447
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: this year we go into a season full of health

1448
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: and health and health and not a lot of injuries

1449
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: and knock on wood while I'm saying this, because then

1450
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the best out of your guys. You're

1451
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: gonna get guys who, yes, by the end of the year,

1452
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 2: you're not one hundred percent, you're maybe eighty percent, but

1453
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: you're not playing injured. And I think that ankle sprain

1454
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 2: for Gabe Davis really messed with him when he had it,

1455
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 2: and it's hard to recover from things like that as

1456
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: a younger player when you're dealing with nagging injuries. So

1457
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 2: hopefully Ken Dorsey can use everything and can use it

1458
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: to the best of his ability, and the players are

1459
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 2: able to, you know, put their best out there because

1460
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: they also feel their best.

1461
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: We talk about it all the time and you know

1462
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna be and Kent. This goes into

1463
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 3: the stew of the recipe that Ken Dorsey comes up

1464
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 3: with every week and during the season, you know, everything

1465
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 3: is always changing all the time about what defense.

1466
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 5: Like.

1467
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 3: You know, you go down the Bills schedule and you know,

1468
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 3: you open up with the Jets, Okay, all right, so

1469
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 3: you get the Jets, and so you got Aaron Rodgers,

1470
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: you got Sauce Garden, you got the whole, you know,

1471
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 3: the whole thing going on, and then you know, then

1472
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: the next week it's it's the Raiders. Right, So see,

1473
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 3: you got a whole different game plan you got to

1474
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 3: go through. And one of the things we talk about

1475
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: constantly here is this, we don't know what teams You

1476
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 3: know what you've got in your team, and that's that's

1477
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 3: the one leg up. You've got Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey.

1478
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 3: They they've got to handle on both their squads offense

1479
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 3: and defense and who they are and who plays well.

1480
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: What they don't know in any given game is exact

1481
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 3: actually what the other team has and how they see

1482
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: your team. You're going into this game and you got

1483
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 3: the New York Jets and you think you've seen the Jets,

1484
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 3: but you don't. Haven't seen him with Aaron Rodgers and

1485
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 3: these guys, right, this group of cast of characters, they

1486
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 3: haven't seen you either, and you've got to you throw out.

1487
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 3: That's why I used to script plays. You put this

1488
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: combination of players on. You run through these shifts and

1489
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 3: say what do they what do they do to us?

1490
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 3: What do they think? What do they show us? They

1491
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 3: thought about this shift and this people running this shift, well,

1492
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,919
Speaker 3: they ended up with a fat guy Garden Dalton Kincaid.

1493
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 3: They are not worried about Dalton kincaid. All right, we're

1494
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 3: going back to that because if they get in that again,

1495
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 3: Dalton's gonna roast the guy. Right that I'm exaggerating and

1496
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 3: making it simple to make a point. That's that's the

1497
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: matchup we want. So we're gonna go back to that.

1498
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 3: They'll go through the whole script though, as well, say

1499
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 3: okay on that play, all right, we can go back

1500
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 3: and get Dalton's matchup right there next time we want

1501
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 3: to and this on this down and distance is this

1502
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: same Oh my gosh, they had Steph Diggs and they

1503
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 3: had the safety down one on one on them when

1504
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 3: we did this shift in motion, right, so they you know,

1505
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: all that stuff is finding out about what the other

1506
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 3: team thinks. That's why you get these game plans that evolve,

1507
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: and you get these guys coming off in between every

1508
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 3: series they're talking about did you see that? Yeah, I

1509
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 3: saw this and this and this, and he goes, yeah,

1510
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 3: call this play. Guy's coming off when call this play,

1511
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 3: Call his play, Call his play, never realizing that it

1512
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 3: has to be that down and distance in that area

1513
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: of the field before they're going to get that look again.

1514
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 3: So the one you call it right away and they're

1515
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 3: not going to get the same defense. That's where all

1516
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 3: the analytics and all that stuff come into play. And

1517
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 3: you got a bunch of eyeballs on it thinking through

1518
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 3: that stuff, and you're trying to get into the right

1519
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: play at the right time, at the right down and

1520
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: distance with the right they've got the right personnel on

1521
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 3: the field, because the next time you go in, all

1522
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: of a sudden, they got different personnel on and you

1523
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 3: get it, you get a different guy. It's it's mental

1524
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: gymnastics at the highest degree. And you got to have

1525
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys on your staff that have really

1526
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 3: specific things to watch on every play, and they're feeding

1527
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 3: that information up the line and it's getting distilled further

1528
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 3: and further down until it reaches Ken Dorsey and he says, Okay,

1529
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: I got it right. I mean it's complicated. It's unbelievable

1530
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 3: the level of stuff they got to go through to

1531
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 3: distill the information they can grab from all of this.

1532
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 2: That takes me back too quick before you go to break.

1533
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 2: When the Bills played the Seahawks in twenty twenty, and

1534
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: the Bills beat the Seahawks forty four to thirty four,

1535
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll after the game was being asked about how

1536
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: they prepared and what they were expecting, and he said

1537
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: something like, I expected them to run the ball more,

1538
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: and the Bills threw for four hundred and twenty yard

1539
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 2: or they threw for three hundred and eighty six yards

1540
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: and rushed for only thirty four yards. And they had

1541
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: game planned game where they were expecting the Bills to

1542
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: run the ball more and weren't prepared for how much

1543
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: they passed the ball in that game. So you the

1544
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: way that teams interpret you are very different.

1545
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 3: Think about it. That's in twenty twenty. Nobody knew it.

1546
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: Because it was the beginning of.

1547
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 3: That's when the Bills all of a sudden.

1548
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: If the Bills tossed.

1549
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: The right when they detonated, and nobody believed it yet,

1550
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 3: and the seahouse going in there. Listen, they can't throw

1551
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: it on it, They can't throw it, not gonna run it.

1552
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 3: They got this big, strong quarterback, they got these they're

1553
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: gonna run it on us. They ain't gonna throw it,

1554
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 3: and they ended up getting lit up.

1555
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, We're continuing the conversation next here on

1556
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live after this quick break, So stay with us.

1557
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: Here where One Bill's Live or presented by Clyde Health

1558
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: on Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back here on One Bill's

1559
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 2: Live and let's get into our tweetsheet, brought to you

1560
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: by Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

1561
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills are question what new wrinkle do you

1562
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 2: want to see from Ken Dorsey and the Bills offense

1563
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 2: this season? And number one from Steve he says, I

1564
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,799
Speaker 2: think I would like to see an occasional trick play.

1565
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: I do not believe we ran one all year. I

1566
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 2: believe it keeps a defense honest and gives them more

1567
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 2: to worry about. What do you think about trick plays

1568
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 2: and using them? I don't know if we used one

1569
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: last year. Thinking back last year and if we didn't.

1570
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 3: Trick play, I don't know, but.

1571
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

1572
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 3: I don't remember one. You don't use trick plays when

1573
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 3: you're thirteen and three, you've lost three games by a

1574
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 3: total of eight points. You don't. You just don't do it.

1575
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 2: Set the record straight.

1576
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 3: You just don't. There was And I get it. They're

1577
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 3: fun to watch, Yeah, they're fun. I get it. And

1578
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,919
Speaker 3: it gives you that, it gives it an offensive coordinator,

1579
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 3: little sense of creativity, and people are like, Okay, that's nice.

1580
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 3: It's great when it works. When it doesn't work, you

1581
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 3: look like a donkey. So nobody wants that. And like

1582
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 3: I said, this team and I get it too. They're

1583
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: getting this rep you get this reputation as if you're

1584
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills, and this certain point in history where you

1585
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 3: know it's all about the playoffs. Now you got to

1586
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 3: you gotta go further in the playoffs. You gotta get

1587
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 3: to the super Bowl. You got to give yourself a

1588
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 3: chance at the World Championship. You got to get the

1589
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: championship game. That kind of thing getting you know, this

1590
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 3: regular season juggernaut, which they are, but nobody's gonna now

1591
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: it's the point where nobody cares. Now they want to

1592
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 3: see him in the playoffs. That's kind of where you're at.

1593
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 3: But when you're as good as this team is, you

1594
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 3: know you're not going to see very many trick plays

1595
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: from Jack.

1596
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: He says, more play action and bring back the Jets sweeps,

1597
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 2: emotions that were missing in last year's offense. The stats

1598
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: on play action prove they work even when teams aren't

1599
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 2: great at rushing. The Jet sweeps don't let teams crowd

1600
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: the box and open up other runs. Motions will give

1601
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 2: Alan a better idea on the defense. Okay, so a

1602
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 2: couple of things there. Will start with play action. What

1603
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: do you think about using a little bit more play

1604
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: action within the offense?

1605
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 3: Well, it would be great because if the play action

1606
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 3: really works well, and they they say it doesn't matter

1607
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 3: if it's if you're running the ball well or not,

1608
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 3: just run the ball well, play action. If you're running

1609
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 3: the ball well, nobody, you know, it takes care of itself.

1610
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: You don't have to play action, you know, so you

1611
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 3: can get over that. This team can get over the

1612
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 3: top wherever they want to anyway, and the threat of

1613
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 3: having Josh. But yeah, play actions fine, it works, It

1614
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 3: has its place, no question about it. But yeah, I'm

1615
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 3: neither hearing nor there on that.

1616
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: And then the jet sweeps. We didn't see too many

1617
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: of those last season. I mean we did see some,

1618
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: but it was it was here and there, pick your

1619
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: spots where you need them. Jet sweeps, Yes, they can

1620
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 2: help a team. They can help it in a situation,

1621
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: a scenario. It's not necessarily something that will flip the

1622
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: game for an offense. It's a spot here, a spot there.

1623
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: I'd also think of within this breath as bubble screens.

1624
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 2: We didn't see a lot of those last year either,

1625
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: and maybe with the person that we have on this

1626
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: team this year, you'll see a little bit more of that.

1627
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 5: I know.

1628
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: The jet sweeps are reserved for you know, some of

1629
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: the Isaiah Mackenzie would have some some of her running

1630
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: backs as well. Yeah, Gionta Hardy seems like a guy

1631
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: who could do that.

1632
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 3: The reason they do these jets sweeps and they run

1633
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 3: is the same reason they run bubble screens. It's to

1634
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 3: get the ball to the edge fast, a guy with

1635
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 3: speed who's already in motion, who you can do the

1636
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 3: ball handling with, whether you snap it to Josh in

1637
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 3: the shotgun and he toss it to him or hands

1638
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 3: it to him, or however you get the ball, that's

1639
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 3: you know, that's the crucial element of those plays. And

1640
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 3: plus if Josh can catch the snap or take the

1641
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 3: snap from under center and throw it fast enough to

1642
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 3: get it out there before the corners out there can

1643
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 3: react that kind of thing. So there has to be

1644
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 3: a spot for it, and you have to be confident

1645
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 3: they're not going to jump across and blow it up

1646
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 3: before you get it going. But that's the reason you

1647
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 3: do bubble screens and sweep jet sweeps get the ball

1648
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 3: to the edge fast. And it also has become it's

1649
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 3: a new thing with offenses in this day and age

1650
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 3: that we didn't have it in my day and age,

1651
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 3: was that you force the defense to defend the line

1652
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 3: of scrimmage at the sideline. It used to be, you know,

1653
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: they back off he you know you're gonna throw it

1654
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 3: at least five yards down the field, And now they

1655
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 3: started throwing it behind the line of scrimmage a lot.

1656
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 3: Now they got to they gotta stay up there to

1657
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: cover that and maybe get a tackle for loss or

1658
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 3: at least make a tackle. So it's and the reason

1659
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: the obvious is if you've got a guy going deep

1660
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 3: on that side and you've got a guy right here,

1661
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: what's the defender do is you're gonna cover the deep

1662
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 3: guy ors the safety gonna get over. It's you're thinner,

1663
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 3: then you got more space because you gotta guard more

1664
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 3: shallow routes along with keeping a lid on the defense

1665
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 3: and the deep spot, so that spreads your defensive responsibilities

1666
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 3: thinner and thinner, And that's what an offense is trying

1667
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 3: to do. So these Jets sweeps that they work and

1668
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 3: they have their place. But once again, for me, it's

1669
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 3: gonna be about what the defense sees. They if they

1670
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,480
Speaker 3: can do that, if they play a lot of off corners,

1671
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, where they're guys six or seven or eight

1672
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 3: yards off the ball and wait and kind of hanging out,

1673
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 3: you can get the ball out there fast enough where

1674
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 3: you're gonna have a little bit of space once once

1675
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 3: the ball is there.

1676
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 2: And so I think all that stuff stuff is about

1677
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,759
Speaker 2: rhythm and timing within a game, within within the spots

1678
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: that you want to pick to use something like that.

1679
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: It's it helps a team get in and out of rhythms.

1680
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: It helps the team get into rhythms talking about play

1681
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 2: action and things like that. Motions.

1682
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 3: Every team will do that once and we'll give you

1683
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: a shot at that once.

1684
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 2: In a while. Yeah, I like it. We'll see.

1685
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 3: Might put a rule in that says, yes, no matter

1686
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 3: what happens, if they do this, we do that, yeah

1687
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 3: kind of thing.

1688
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see if they use that a little bit more.

1689
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: With with the different faces new faces now on this team,

1690
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: a guy like Deontay Hardy and some new running backs

1691
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: on the roster. All right, we're closing up shop here

1692
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. We when we return, We're presented

1693
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: by Clyde Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. Okay, before we

1694
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: go this afternoon, we wanted to share a feel good

1695
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 2: story with you guys. Maybe doesn't start as a feel

1696
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 2: good story, because I know we've all experienced flight delays

1697
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 2: this year, especially this summer. Flight delay after flight delay

1698
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 2: after flight delay, and I know what you mean, I

1699
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 2: know you know what I mean, canceled flights here and there. Well,

1700
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: it happened to none other than Sean McDermott, our head

1701
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: coach of the Buffalo Bills. He was traveling home from

1702
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: a softball tournament with his daughter. They were in the

1703
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 2: Atlanta airport, there was delays, the flight eventually got canceled,

1704
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 2: and he got talking with a Bills fan named Jason Gunther.

1705
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 2: He's also a hockey coach at Nichols, and the two started,

1706
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, shoot, the breeze just started talking and they

1707
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: ended up forming a plan together of Hey, let's rent

1708
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,799
Speaker 2: a car, let's or let's fly to the Pittsburgh Airport.

1709
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: Then let's rent a car and drive back home to Buffalo.

1710
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: So Jason did an interview with the Buffalo News, and

1711
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm reading this article and it's talking about how the

1712
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: two got to spend some time in the car together,

1713
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: a three and a half hour drive, a surreal moment

1714
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: for a Bills fan and a fellow coach, and the

1715
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: two shared a little philosophy together.

1716
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: Good nice way to get into cancel flight.

1717
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back tomorrow. One to three join us.