Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: What Up, y'all, It's Laiah and we are back with
Speaker 2: part two of our interview with the incredible, incomparable, trail
Speaker 2: blazing Robert Townsend. Y'all know, this conversation is everything I
Speaker 2: love about Quest Love Supreme. It's funny, informative, and life
Speaker 2: so heartfelt. Last week, Robert spoke about his roads to
Speaker 2: comedy and acting as he lighted us all with a
Speaker 2: bunch of impersonations. He spoke about working on The Warriors,
Speaker 2: the movie y'all, nearly joining SNL, and a deep dive
Speaker 2: into how he made Hollywood shuffle with a dream and
Speaker 2: a credit card.
Speaker 3: So now we're.
Speaker 4: Back for part two.
Speaker 2: Join us as we celebrate Black History Month with an
Speaker 2: American treasure Robert Townsend. Part two taped in studio at
Speaker 2: iHeart Hollywood. Enjoy y'all.
Speaker 5: Once the success of the film brings you to this platform,
Speaker 5: what's your internal feelings? Because oftentimes when person has like
Speaker 5: that type of success, out the box, I mean we
Speaker 5: could say this is the illmatic nod situation or whatever,
Speaker 5: like the follow up getting over the mountain, Like in
Speaker 5: your mind, what are you envisioning your next step to be.
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is that I've always known exactly
Speaker 6: what I want to do, and then it's just that
Speaker 6: when you like, after Hollywood Shuffle, I was being offered
Speaker 6: everything in the universe, every project, every script.
Speaker 3: Every da da da dad.
Speaker 1: What was being offered to you?
Speaker 6: It was all kinds of bad comedies. It was like
Speaker 6: a lot of bad stuff that I wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 6: And so I was like, you know when people go like,
Speaker 6: well this, you haven't made a lot of films. This
Speaker 6: is funny, and then it's like, no, it's not funny.
Speaker 6: And you're dealing with TV Guide because I grew up
Speaker 6: on television, so there's a.
Speaker 3: Certain I have my money to them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I was being offered everything, but there
Speaker 6: was nothing that spoke to me. And the one story
Speaker 6: that I wanted to do when I was a kid
Speaker 6: in Chicago in nineteen sixty eight, Herb Kent the Cool
Speaker 6: Gent gets on the radio and says the Temptations are
Speaker 6: breaking up and David Ruffin is leaving the group, and
Speaker 6: that was my favorite group, and so.
Speaker 3: I was like, what what happened? This is wrong?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: And so then that kind of stayed in my head.
Speaker 6: And so my thing was, you know, I told Keena
Speaker 6: and I said, we could do a story. I wasn't,
Speaker 6: you know, arrogant enough to say we could get the
Speaker 6: temptation story. I said, let's let's make our own movie.
Speaker 6: But I want to know what happened. I want to
Speaker 6: know what happened to that singing group? Why did they
Speaker 6: break up? You know, because I was devastated as a kid.
Speaker 6: I just remember looking at the radio and I was like, going, what,
Speaker 6: why did he's leaving?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And then that took me on the journey for the
Speaker 6: next movie. But all the stuff that they were offering me,
Speaker 6: there was nothing that I was really like, you know,
Speaker 6: with The.
Speaker 7: Five Heartbeats you at the end credits you mentioned the Dells. Yes,
Speaker 7: how involved were they in, you know, with making a
Speaker 7: movie with you? And how much of the story is
Speaker 7: from their personal kind of experience.
Speaker 6: So so let me give you the backstory behind the film.
Speaker 6: I did a documentary on it. It's called Making the Heartbeats.
Speaker 6: So the whole the whole thing that I would say
Speaker 6: is that initially I wanted David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks
Speaker 6: to be the technical advisors, and so I had reached
Speaker 6: out to them and David he was going through his
Speaker 6: drug thing. He was he was struggling, and so I
Speaker 6: went to meet with him, and you know, he was
Speaker 6: strung out a little bit. And Keenan and I we said, hey,
Speaker 6: once the film gets green lit, we're gonna put him
Speaker 6: in rehab.
Speaker 3: We'll just pay for it to just take care of him,
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: So that's our that was our plan because I told
Speaker 6: Keenan man, David doesn't look good and he was doing
Speaker 6: that snorting and all that, and I could just tell.
Speaker 6: And so we were gonna, you know, uh, take care,
Speaker 6: you know, put you know, put them in rehab. So anyway,
Speaker 6: the studio Joe Roth, finally green lights the movie and
Speaker 6: so I go, hey, I got David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks.
Speaker 6: And then he goes no, And I said, why not?
Speaker 6: He says, because everybody's going to think it's the Motown
Speaker 6: story and you got that big red character, and so
Speaker 6: they're gonna say, oh, the Temptations, and you're gonna get
Speaker 6: lawsuits up the wazoo because people are going to say, oh,
Speaker 6: this is the Motown story because you got these two
Speaker 6: as your technical advisors.
Speaker 3: And so then at that point I had to say
Speaker 3: no to them, which broke my heart. And then.
Speaker 6: They were saying, who else would you want to be
Speaker 6: technical advisors? And then that's when the Dells, you know,
Speaker 6: I said, the Dells, and then the Dells.
Speaker 1: You knew, Marvin Jr.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, Oh.
Speaker 5: My god, Oh my god, yo, man, Like I was born,
Speaker 5: So I wasn't born in a Dell's concert, but my
Speaker 5: mom like, damn.
Speaker 1: Near on the eighth ninth month.
Speaker 5: But I started kicking at a Dell's concert And.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 5: I was in the moon but yeah, I mean I
Speaker 5: grew up like I grew up in the Charles Stephanie
Speaker 5: period of the dell So like how sweet and funk
Speaker 5: being all but yeah, Marvin Junior like to me even
Speaker 5: knowing like the briefly, like my dad knew Teddy Pentagrads whatever,
Speaker 5: Like Teddy would even say like that's his north start, Like.
Speaker 3: What was it? What was it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: Just dealing with it because the world does not know
Speaker 5: about the Dells and how how.
Speaker 6: So let me so the Dell's, you know, my favorite
Speaker 6: singing group. People know, Oh what a Night is one
Speaker 6: of their big, big, big songs, and Marvin singing the
Speaker 6: long note, and at first they got pushed back from
Speaker 6: that record because they go, this record is too long,
Speaker 6: but the DJs eventually loved it because they could take
Speaker 6: a break and people.
Speaker 3: Love that long note and then the whole thing.
Speaker 6: So the first meeting with the Dell's could have been
Speaker 6: the last meeting because they were at the will Turn
Speaker 6: Theater and I was like, oh, you know, like after
Speaker 6: the whole thing happened with the Temptations, I was like,
Speaker 6: they're in town, so I'll go talk to them.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I don't know how to interview people, so I was
Speaker 6: never like that, so we I do my research before
Speaker 6: I go there. On their first album cover, they weren't
Speaker 6: on the cover.
Speaker 3: It's a white couple.
Speaker 6: Walking along Michigan Avenue looking so in love, and so
Speaker 6: I'm like, and they're on the back of the little
Speaker 6: square this big and so then I was like, that's
Speaker 6: kind of messed up their first album, and I was like,
Speaker 6: that's kind of weird. So anyway, I go to the
Speaker 6: will Turn. They're getting ready for the show. They're all
Speaker 6: in their white bathrobes and they're putting their makeup on
Speaker 6: and just chilling and everything.
Speaker 3: And so they're all friendly and nice. Robert Towns is
Speaker 3: coming to see us. Man, Robert Towns, Hey, how you doing, Robert?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 3: And so then we're.
Speaker 6: Talking, and so then I'm looking at them and I'm
Speaker 6: like going, I say, hey man, I'm trying to do
Speaker 6: this move. I want to get it real about how
Speaker 6: groups were treated, how much money you made. And I
Speaker 6: could see their faces changing in the mirror, and I
Speaker 6: was like, okay, I just said something wrong. And so
Speaker 6: then they were like, yeah, man, yeah we made money.
Speaker 6: Yeah we did, we did. And so then they're continued talking.
Speaker 6: Then I said, your album cover. I said, why would
Speaker 6: y'all on the front page of the album cover? And
Speaker 6: I don't know, I just because I was I had
Speaker 6: just looked at it. And so then in the mirror,
Speaker 6: now they're in their seventies, late sixties, and I see
Speaker 6: Marvin Junior go and I go, oh, man, Rob, you
Speaker 6: shouldn't have brought that up. And then he goes, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, they made a decision and we just decided that,
Speaker 6: you know, that's how they was gonna go.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, it was Vern, and
Speaker 3: Vern says.
Speaker 6: They wanted us to cross over. They said it would
Speaker 6: be good for our audience, you know. And then then
Speaker 6: then I forgot. Mickey said, you know yeah, because they
Speaker 6: couldn't they you know, they could hear our music, but
Speaker 6: white people don't want to see our faces. And so
Speaker 6: they started going back and forth. And then I was like,
Speaker 6: and I was in the mirror, right, and I was
Speaker 6: like the crossover cross that came from them, and so
Speaker 6: as they were going through it, and it kind of
Speaker 6: broke my heart because they were old, older men. But
Speaker 6: then when I was looking through the mirror, cause I
Speaker 6: was sitting back while they were all in the mirrors,
Speaker 6: but they couldn't they could see me.
Speaker 3: They couldn't see me.
Speaker 6: But then as I was looking at them, that memory
Speaker 6: was like it was yesterday, and I was like, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, the pain.
Speaker 6: Because then then Mickey said, yeah, man, we went to
Speaker 6: the barbershop and they clowned us hard man. Everybody at
Speaker 6: the barbershop was like, what is this bullshit? And we
Speaker 6: felt so disrespected and dah da da da. But then
Speaker 6: you know, they made.
Speaker 3: It up to us and blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: But so that's how, that's how the Dell's and that's
Speaker 6: what the Dells gave me.
Speaker 5: So how much of Johnny Carter's life was in h
Speaker 5: the High Voice?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just took pieces of different you know. You know,
Speaker 6: let me say this, the thing of the church and
Speaker 6: secular music has always been there, so everybody dealt with that.
Speaker 6: So that's why we you know, it was that, you know,
Speaker 6: and which is real? You know, like, hey, you can't
Speaker 6: serve two masters, you know, so all.
Speaker 7: Actor the actor you castro, I can't remember his name
Speaker 7: off the top of my head, but you also he
Speaker 7: also played your dad, I think, uh.
Speaker 3: Oh, David McKnight. Yeah, yeah, David McKnight.
Speaker 7: And he was in Hollywood Shuffle and then also he
Speaker 7: played choir boys.
Speaker 3: Dad and David McKnight.
Speaker 1: No, I love him as.
Speaker 3: He was the first actor Pey Moon Ramie.
Speaker 6: He entered when I was in college and I was
Speaker 6: in speech contest in college. The first time I came
Speaker 6: to Los Angeles, he was the first person to show
Speaker 6: me around, David McKnight, and he had just finished a
Speaker 6: movie called JD's Revenge.
Speaker 3: Yes he was bad, he was JD.
Speaker 7: So yeah, man, wait, do you have another I have
Speaker 7: so many, but final five Heart Beats question one of
Speaker 7: the things I remember about that movie. It wasn't even
Speaker 7: so much about the movie. I remember because this is
Speaker 7: what ninety one. I was twelve, all right, So I'm
Speaker 7: watching teen Summit, you know what I mean, And so
Speaker 7: you know, back then, I would just go to the
Speaker 7: movies and my mother would just let me go to
Speaker 7: the movies by myself.
Speaker 1: I just go watch.
Speaker 7: And so I went and saw Five Heartbeats and I'm like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, this is the greatest movie ever, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean. So then later on I see
Speaker 7: you guys on teen Summit and you're like, yo, y'all
Speaker 7: need to support it, we need whatever. And it really
Speaker 7: kind of cracked the facade. I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 7: like this is is it not successful?
Speaker 1: Like how is it not? This movie is amazing.
Speaker 7: But I really appreciate it, just how real y'all kept it.
Speaker 7: I remember you and Michael Wright, he was with it,
Speaker 7: and they was just like, yo, like you know, we
Speaker 7: need to support this. And you were talking about the marketing,
Speaker 7: and that was just something that you know, seeing black
Speaker 7: artists on a platform like be he talking so openly
Speaker 7: about the struggles that y'all were having on a movie
Speaker 7: that was in theaters, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 7: that shit was big, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 7: so I just want you to talk about that man,
Speaker 7: you know, you.
Speaker 6: Know it is you know, let me just say this,
Speaker 6: the five heartbeats. That's the madness of Townshend on the
Speaker 6: highest level. Because I saw close to ten thousand people
Speaker 6: to be in that film. You know, I had auditions
Speaker 6: in three different cities and just just trying to make it.
Speaker 6: I'm co writing, I'm directing, I'm producing, I'm acting, and
Speaker 6: so I'm wearing all these hats and then I'm playing
Speaker 6: music guy as well, because I had to pick the
Speaker 6: music and the lyrics, have to make sense and learn choreography.
Speaker 6: So it was like one of the hardest things for me.
Speaker 6: But I loved every second of it. But again it's
Speaker 6: that thing again of like the marketing wasn't what I
Speaker 6: thought it was going to be and I wasn't happy,
Speaker 6: and you know, this is my that was my second movie,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. But I've always been like ah,
Speaker 6: you know, and so I lost the battle on the marketing.
Speaker 6: So when the film started to die, I was like,
Speaker 6: this can't be this can't be and the film died,
Speaker 6: but it didn't die. It was just yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, do you consider it called classic because
Speaker 5: to me, it's not.
Speaker 1: Anytime that movie's on I'm watching it. Yeah. Period. No.
Speaker 6: I mean when I say it didn't the box office numbers,
Speaker 6: but I think because the marketing people didn't know what
Speaker 6: they were getting, so we didn't make any money. But
Speaker 6: then now it's like over a billion, almost two billion
Speaker 6: clips shared worldwide because they send me the numbers on
Speaker 6: like people will send the Sisters scene and they'll send
Speaker 6: Eddie King and then all the memes of Gang and
Speaker 6: I don't have to finish yet.
Speaker 4: What does that mean for you monetarily though? That doesn't
Speaker 4: that doesn't.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing is that, uh I means but see here,
Speaker 6: so I'll put it like this, No, I do not
Speaker 6: make any money on the clips, but the brand is
Speaker 6: I was not wrong, you know. I mean I have
Speaker 6: ideas sometimes and I think my mind goes, you know,
Speaker 6: like I will create something like right now in my
Speaker 6: brain there's so many different shows and stuff that I'm
Speaker 6: working on that they're all different, and I just it's
Speaker 6: like there's a certain touch that I have, Like you
Speaker 6: can watch movies. And I designed my movies in such
Speaker 6: a way that I want you to watch them again
Speaker 6: and again and again and again. If I if I've
Speaker 6: done it right, I've done it right, you know, if
Speaker 6: I've added like even like movies that I just directed,
Speaker 6: like Baps. You know, there's so many people that want
Speaker 6: to remake Baps.
Speaker 4: And they were a whole that's.
Speaker 3: A whole other story that they want to do it.
Speaker 3: But it's not. It's not It's got to be right.
Speaker 1: It's got to be right.
Speaker 3: Metior Man, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Wait real quick because I want to give props to
Speaker 2: the young young and just doing our make up upstairs, Aaron,
Speaker 2: she said, wait, did Robert Townsend put the first black
Speaker 2: action hero on film?
Speaker 6: And I was like, yeah, yeah, that was the thing?
Speaker 3: Is that again? That's a trojan horse. It's like, uh.
Speaker 6: When my nephew was really little, Greg Junior, and I
Speaker 6: was and I was coming back to Chicago and it
Speaker 6: was like around Halloween, and I was like, who you're
Speaker 6: going to be for Halloween? Superman, Batman? And he was like,
Speaker 6: I can't be them because they're white. And I was,
Speaker 6: you know, and because like you grew up in the hood,
Speaker 6: there's a certain you know. And I was like, no,
Speaker 6: that's wrong, man. Everybody can be a hero, you know,
Speaker 6: I like Superman, like Batman. You could be whatever you
Speaker 6: want to be. And so then I said, oh, I'll
Speaker 6: create a hero that that looks like you know, looks
Speaker 6: like him.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: What was it like having Luther Vandros like.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Luther.
Speaker 6: I well, that's a whole another because when I got married,
Speaker 6: you know, it was like we would only play Luther,
Speaker 6: go to Luther concerts and all of that.
Speaker 3: So when I re, huh we.
Speaker 4: Heard Johnny will say he's a hell of a busser
Speaker 4: like the Dozens.
Speaker 6: Yes, so no, But the thing that I would say
Speaker 6: is that, you know when I said, hey, would you want.
Speaker 3: To be in the movie?
Speaker 6: Because I called him and he was working with Gregory
Speaker 6: Hines on an album or something better, and so then
Speaker 6: I said would you be in a movie? And so
Speaker 6: then he goes, you want me to be in a movie?
Speaker 6: And I says, yeah, but I want you to play
Speaker 6: the bad guy and I want you to have a gun,
Speaker 6: and he says, I have a gun, and so he
Speaker 6: was going through this whole thing and he goes he says,
Speaker 6: are you serious, And I said, yeah, we're just in
Speaker 6: pre production. He says, can I will you give me
Speaker 6: six months? And I was like, give you six months
Speaker 6: and he was and I was like, if you need
Speaker 6: you know, I was like, yeah, we'll be ready, but
Speaker 6: you know, you know our schedule around your schedule.
Speaker 3: He said, give me six months. And he was heavier then,
Speaker 3: and then he lost all that weight for the little role.
Speaker 6: So when he showed up, I was like, right, right.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Guy, Yeah, yeah, no, but but he was perfect, but
Speaker 6: he was He took it serious. He took it really serious.
Speaker 6: And we were trying to do some other stuff. So
Speaker 6: it was it broke my heart.
Speaker 1: With another actor.
Speaker 7: One thing I always appreciated you, like kind of like
Speaker 7: with Spike, where you have your kind of crew of
Speaker 7: actors that can keep working with. Yes, and one guy
Speaker 7: that I always love, man Roy Fagan to He was like,
Speaker 7: I met Roy.
Speaker 1: I was like, so he was dangled Roy bro I
Speaker 1: met Roy. This was man.
Speaker 7: I was a kid, I'm like thirteen years old, and
Speaker 7: I went to he was doing a play in my
Speaker 7: city in Greensville, North Caroline.
Speaker 1: He was doing a play at It was an.
Speaker 7: Anti which is the hbc U in our tity and
Speaker 7: uh he was oning to play there and I afterwards,
Speaker 7: I just went down in the front row and you know,
Speaker 7: the cast came out and I just started chopping up
Speaker 7: with him and talking about acting and like kind of
Speaker 7: like what is it like?
Speaker 1: Was it being?
Speaker 7: He was just giving me game? He's like, oh man,
Speaker 7: you know you seem like a smart kid. You know
Speaker 7: you got a nice commercial look, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Like he was he was cool and I always respected
Speaker 7: it and remember that, and I just wanted to know
Speaker 7: what was it like working with him because I.
Speaker 1: Always working again.
Speaker 6: Roy has been so Roy was the was the bad
Speaker 6: guy in Hollywood Shuffle. That was like, don't sell out?
Speaker 1: You know he sold out?
Speaker 6: What's really happened in real life. That's the one something
Speaker 6: that Keen and I wrote clear the audition. This guy
Speaker 6: messed our heads up. He was like, brother, don't go
Speaker 6: in there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: They trying to get some brother to sell out again.
Speaker 6: Me and Keing like really really, and then he went
Speaker 6: in there with that same kind of energy. But no,
Speaker 6: Roy is just a great actor. I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: like even a meteor man playing the bad guy. You know,
Speaker 6: he's just a versatile. He's just a really versatile actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's up.
Speaker 4: Can you talk about why you decided to do this
Speaker 4: in DC?
Speaker 6: There was a part of me that the whole thing
Speaker 6: of Washington Justice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's why I wanted to it there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right from Atlanta last episode.
Speaker 4: I was born to Howard University Hospital, sir.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so DC, I get it. I want
Speaker 5: to talk raw.
Speaker 1: But it just hit me.
Speaker 5: He's responsible for probably one of my best known songs
Speaker 5: in my Cannon. He's responsible for sometimes Block. Okay, So
Speaker 5: here's here's the story. Here's the story, and it just
Speaker 5: hit me right now. You directed Carmen the Hip Hop Opera.
Speaker 1: Yes, so here's the deal.
Speaker 5: Now you know, I'm doing residency at Electric Ladies Studios
Speaker 5: and basically D'Angelo and I, you know, get along famously,
Speaker 5: former friendship, and he's like, yo, when I make my
Speaker 5: second album, I need you to be my co pilot.
Speaker 1: We're going to start working on the Voodoo record.
Speaker 5: So from like ninety six till yeah, two thousand and three,
Speaker 5: we set up in the house of Hendrix, Jimmy Hendricks
Speaker 5: in the village and that's our operations. So all these
Speaker 5: albums are coming here. The roots are making their records there,
Speaker 5: Danzels making his records, Ericabadu, anyone that's in that Soul
Speaker 5: Quary and Neil Soul Bubble and so we're working on
Speaker 5: commons like Water for Chocolate album and he's coming in
Speaker 5: with an extra pepinist step today.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo man, He's like, I got an audition.
Speaker 1: It is older, Yo man. I was like, what is it.
Speaker 5: And he's talking about yeah, man, you know I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be an investigator, like in a cop in this hip
Speaker 5: hopper and old girl going to be in this too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's old girl?
Speaker 5: He said, you know old girl from Bill's Bill Bilder,
Speaker 5: Oh Dusty style jot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we didn't know her name whatever, So and
Speaker 1: so we now. The thing was.
Speaker 5: Even though I'm the guy who I'm the planner, I'm
Speaker 5: the bridge, I'm the person that introduces people all that stuff,
Speaker 5: it wasn't like my intent. But by year three I realized, like, okay,
Speaker 5: when I fell jam sessions, I'm bringing people together and
Speaker 5: when I'm producing people and bringing these musicians together, and.
Speaker 1: I thought about it.
Speaker 5: I said, Yo, if COmON gets the this this part
Speaker 5: in this role. Then old girl, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 5: bring her into our world. Like I was like, all right, Beyonce,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna bring her into our world.
Speaker 1: And so thing of the sitcom switch thing.
Speaker 5: So he comes in the next morning, he has like
Speaker 5: his sweater on, his tie, everything, his hat like he's
Speaker 5: coming to audition. He's not coming in his pajamas, like
Speaker 5: you know, we'll sleep there for five six hours whatever,
Speaker 5: and so common he's coming in all excited like yeah, man,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna knock this audition out whatever. And we're like
Speaker 5: all right, good luck, good luck, and we're looking like
Speaker 5: you know, you thinks going to get it.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, we ain't gonna get it anyway.
Speaker 5: The thing of the thing of the sitcom switch where
Speaker 5: it's like you can do it, you can do it,
Speaker 5: switch back.
Speaker 1: And all dejected. I was like, what happened. Whenever you
Speaker 1: get the role, you get the roll.
Speaker 5: It's nah, man a man most audition too, man, Nah,
Speaker 5: he's going to get it.
Speaker 1: So we got jokes.
Speaker 5: So that whole time we're just watching our our our
Speaker 5: dreams deferred, our dreams, just like sail Away. And basically
Speaker 5: what happens is we can't stop clown in common about
Speaker 5: losing this role acting with old girl, so we just
Speaker 5: start mocking Bill's Bills, Bills and all the.
Speaker 1: The main line in Bills Bill's Bills says, I don't
Speaker 1: think you do.
Speaker 5: So that just became this ongoing joke for twelve hours,
Speaker 5: like we play something, no Common, don't you got that role?
Speaker 1: So just what is going on all day and all day?
Speaker 1: And then once.
Speaker 5: Most gets the role that we really start mocking, and
Speaker 5: by like mocking wom he says, by Most death my mom,
Speaker 5: he says, So, for some reason, James Poyser just de
Speaker 5: sided to amalgamate the two songs Bill's Bill's Bills, and
Speaker 5: Umi says, and we did it for like twenty minutes
Speaker 5: for fun, and it.
Speaker 1: Blows like that's a gem.
Speaker 5: I like that right, and we're like, nah, man, it
Speaker 5: was cool, all right, let's let's figure out a new song.
Speaker 5: And now he's like, no, Noah, go go go, go
Speaker 5: back to what y'all was just doing. And eventually our
Speaker 5: mocking of Bill's Bill's Bills, and Umi.
Speaker 1: Says, it's like one of Below's most loved songs.
Speaker 4: Sometimes but best Below song of all times.
Speaker 3: Then that's how that song came out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but even then, maybe sixty percent of his vocals
Speaker 5: was just the one you know, like stevens our engineer
Speaker 5: at the time, like basically like he just took him.
Speaker 1: Fifty seven mic and was just singing anything.
Speaker 4: I wish I wasn't me and literally just.
Speaker 1: Literally that's how that song.
Speaker 5: But it was based on Common's experience without the car, right,
Speaker 5: it just.
Speaker 1: Hit me, You're you're directly what was that light man
Speaker 1: directing that? Just doing that like that?
Speaker 6: It was you know, I like taking on, you know,
Speaker 6: chances and trying different things. And when MTV approached me
Speaker 6: about doing a hip hop opera, I was like, ooh,
Speaker 6: that sounds a lot of fun. And initially they didn't
Speaker 6: want Beyonce because they were like, has she ever acted before?
Speaker 6: So there were certain executives that were giving me pushback.
Speaker 6: So uh so here's the story. So then I have
Speaker 6: to go to New York to have the audition there
Speaker 6: she's doing something in New York, and I say, you know,
Speaker 6: we'll have her audition at the MTV office in.
Speaker 3: New York, you know with the big windows and all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 6: So anyway, she comes in and she comes in with
Speaker 6: a bodyguard because she's in Destiny's Child and she comes
Speaker 6: in with some A and R woman And so when
Speaker 6: she comes in, I can see she's nervous, and I
Speaker 6: was like, oh my gosh, she's nervous.
Speaker 3: And I'm like I had seen her.
Speaker 6: I had hosted some event in Cincinnati with Destiny's Child,
Speaker 6: and I go, she's really chrismatic that you know. I
Speaker 6: didn't know her name either, like Beyonce, but I was
Speaker 6: like that girl, that one singer is really chrismatic. You know,
Speaker 6: I could just tell what the camera like somebody. So anyway,
Speaker 6: I go, no, no, she should do it. And it's
Speaker 6: like Robert, you know, you want to get an actress.
Speaker 6: You know, she's never acted before. So so vin.
Speaker 3: She shows up.
Speaker 6: She's nervous, and so I go like, oh man, all
Speaker 6: the executives, you know, I don't want them to think,
Speaker 6: you know, they got me on this one. So I go,
Speaker 6: she goes, yeah, I mean I've never acted before, and
Speaker 6: so and so on and so on, and so then I
Speaker 6: flipped the script. I said to the security, to the bodyguard,
Speaker 6: I said, you're gonna be acting in the scene. And
Speaker 6: then I say to the A and R woman you're
Speaker 6: gonna be acting in the scene. And then they got really,
Speaker 6: mister Telson, I don't act, miss some towls you acting today,
Speaker 6: And so then he grabs the script and he's shaking,
Speaker 6: and then the A and R woman she's nervous.
Speaker 1: Stephanie, I think I can think Stephanie yes, And so she's.
Speaker 6: Nervous and then I see Beyonce get relaxed, and so
Speaker 6: then she gets relaxed. And then I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: so we're going to do the scene. Now, this is
Speaker 6: the scene where you get shot. And I go, you
Speaker 6: get shot in the hip and you're gonna turn around,
Speaker 6: You're gonna spind around and so and so on.
Speaker 3: And so on and so and she goes, yeah, let's
Speaker 3: do it again. Let's do it again.
Speaker 6: And she had to hold those red bottoms on rolling
Speaker 6: around the floor and her suit and everything, and she goes,
Speaker 6: I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care about that.
Speaker 6: And we were doing it again and again and again,
Speaker 6: and I just remember I showed the stuff to the
Speaker 6: studio and they were like, you're right, she is. I said,
Speaker 6: she hasn't acted before, but I said, she does her
Speaker 6: music videos, but this is a hip hop and so
Speaker 6: when we were on set. You know, the only thing,
Speaker 6: the only thing, the only thing that got tricky was
Speaker 6: that she was really a baby. She had never been
Speaker 6: in a relations you know what I mean. She was
Speaker 6: a baby that blew up. And so she was concerned
Speaker 6: about the kiss scene because she had to kiss Makai Pfeiffer.
Speaker 6: And so she would be like, I really kiss him.
Speaker 6: I said, well, it's a kiss, you gotta kiss him.
Speaker 6: And so then she was just so shy because she's
Speaker 6: a baby. So anyway, so every day she would ask
Speaker 6: me when we were shooting, is it today? And I says, no,
Speaker 6: the kiss doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 6: He was like, and it's like, it's day seven. No,
Speaker 6: it's not today, you know, day eight, No, it's not today,
Speaker 6: day fifteen, it's today. And she goes, oh, And so
Speaker 6: I said, just give me a good kiss, but she
Speaker 6: is not. You know, I said, watch me kiss my hand,
Speaker 6: and I do the whole hand kissing.
Speaker 3: I do the whole thing, you know, just to show
Speaker 3: her because she wasn't.
Speaker 6: And so then Makai wasn't helping because he's going like right, right, right, wait,
Speaker 6: come on, come on girl, come on, don't be shid
Speaker 6: don't be shad and so so then you know it
Speaker 6: was it was so it was like comedy because then
Speaker 6: kiss him and she goes and I go, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: you gotta kiss.
Speaker 3: Him a little bit longer. I was like, yeah, how long, Robert,
Speaker 3: like three seconds?
Speaker 6: Three seconds and count hand though She's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: you got to kiss him.
Speaker 3: And you know, I said, give me one, juicy one,
Speaker 3: and we're out of here one.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, give me juicy rock Nations.
Speaker 1: Don't come after me that sugar Steve talking come after me.
Speaker 3: And so she finally does it, and then it comes together.
Speaker 6: But I just remember, you know, like now, when I
Speaker 6: see her, I was like, oh, she has grown. And
Speaker 6: when I watched her in Cadillac Records, I mean, it's
Speaker 6: just like, you know, she's just But I saw it
Speaker 6: back then, even when we were in the studio recording
Speaker 6: the rap.
Speaker 2: Did she look at any Dorothy dandrech stuff or did
Speaker 2: anybody even.
Speaker 6: I think I told her not to because I wasn't
Speaker 6: trying to compare performances because she she just you know,
Speaker 6: I could see she was a natural. She just needed,
Speaker 6: like I said, that little switch of the people acting
Speaker 6: opposite her made her relax and then I saw it
Speaker 6: and then when we were on set, it was just fun.
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you about a project that it
Speaker 7: never came out, not to my knowledge, the sunny Listing
Speaker 7: movie that you were working on with ving Rains.
Speaker 6: It was a very It was a company out of Canada,
Speaker 6: so it had like a really small release. I'm really
Speaker 6: proud of that movie being as a hell. Let me
Speaker 6: say this, ving Rains is an amazing actor and he
Speaker 6: doesn't get all the respect, you know. So what happened
Speaker 6: was I had finished I worked with him on the
Speaker 6: film Holiday Heart with Alfree Woodard and she got nominated
Speaker 6: for the Golden Globe for her performance. And Ving he
Speaker 6: had just come off a baby boy, but then he
Speaker 6: was playing this gay man and I mean he was
Speaker 6: just brilliant in it, brilliant, brilliant. So after we got
Speaker 6: finished with the film, he was he says, hey, man,
Speaker 6: I'm working on this movie in Canada with this small
Speaker 6: production company. It's a sunny listing. He goes, I don't
Speaker 6: like this director. I'm spoiled because I got to work
Speaker 6: with you, and you know, people really love you know
Speaker 6: working you know, our chemistry as a working team. And
Speaker 6: so then I flew to Toronto and we shot the
Speaker 6: movie up there. It's available on DVD, but it's like
Speaker 6: a small production company out of Toronto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I saw it.
Speaker 7: I mean this has been years ago, Like I saw it,
Speaker 7: but I always wondered why it never you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because because there was something about there was stuff
Speaker 6: going on behind the scenes with the money and you know,
Speaker 6: with the production company.
Speaker 3: But thing does an amazing.
Speaker 1: Job the movie.
Speaker 3: Man, Thank you so much, Thank you?
Speaker 5: Can you can you talk about the process of Raw
Speaker 5: because the thing is, if someone asked you to shoot
Speaker 5: a concert film, you really can't reinvent the wheel, right,
Speaker 5: But is the pressure on is there a pressure on you?
Speaker 5: Because I mean by that point, I know that for
Speaker 5: certain comedians in uh, the sixties Cosby albums are their
Speaker 5: north star prior albums? Are you know the north star
Speaker 5: of seventies comedians? And you know, Delirious was pretty much
Speaker 5: like people knew it was an instant classic the second
Speaker 5: it came out. So in your mind, are you like, like,
Speaker 5: what's what's the planning process for.
Speaker 1: Raw?
Speaker 5: And you know and that that how did you have
Speaker 5: the wherewithal to know who Samuel Jackson was or uh,
Speaker 5: but Richmond, let's say Dion Richmond or Ashley like you
Speaker 5: have in.
Speaker 1: That opening sketch, like these are establish.
Speaker 3: Let's see, but you know, you know what it is.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like I have laser eyes when it
Speaker 6: comes to casting, Like my eyes are like laser focused.
Speaker 6: So even back then, I'm looking and I can tell
Speaker 6: when people really have the talent, they really have the gift.
Speaker 6: And like Sam, I just knew he had something special.
Speaker 6: I could just tell and I was like, oh, he
Speaker 6: can he can improvise, he can do whatever. And then
Speaker 6: with the kids, Uh, there's a reason why people are stars.
Speaker 6: There's a certain look, there's a certain energy, there's a
Speaker 6: certain frequency. So when I'm casting, I cast on people's energy.
Speaker 6: And so even back then, those baby actors they had
Speaker 6: that little spark, and I saw the spark with Sam.
Speaker 6: You know, I see a lot of actors and some
Speaker 6: actors are not magical, you know. I mean, I'm hard
Speaker 6: on talent, you know, because I mean if I've casted right,
Speaker 6: then they will be perfect for the role.
Speaker 3: If I've done my job, and you go.
Speaker 6: Like there's something extra going on, Like people don't know
Speaker 6: that there's extra sauce going on, like like baps. For example,
Speaker 6: Natalie who played opposite Hallie. The studios wanted me to
Speaker 6: cast whatever black actress was on television at that time,
Speaker 6: and it's like, well, she's hot, she can get on
Speaker 6: the Tonight Show, she can get on Letterman, she can
Speaker 6: get on so and so on and so on and so,
Speaker 6: and I was like, no, it's got to be about chemistry.
Speaker 6: And she happened to be in an acting class with
Speaker 6: Phason Love and Fason goes, there's this girl that's in
Speaker 6: my acting class that I think could be perfect for
Speaker 6: your movie. And I said, you know, I'll meet her
Speaker 6: at your house. And we did a two hour improv
Speaker 6: doing all the scenes from the film. And so I
Speaker 6: was like I finished doing the improv with her, and
Speaker 6: I was like, she's the star.
Speaker 3: She's the one who's going to be in the film.
Speaker 3: With Halle.
Speaker 6: I call the studio and the studio goes, Robert, Robert,
Speaker 6: she hasn't made a movie before. You know, what do
Speaker 6: you mean some unknown with Halle? I said, would you
Speaker 6: just look at her?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: Just look at her.
Speaker 6: I think she's I think she's got something special. So anyway,
Speaker 6: he says, well, bring it to the callbacks whatever. So
Speaker 6: we have the callbacks and I'm scouting locations that day.
Speaker 6: So I've got the top black actresses from television, movies,
Speaker 6: theater all waiting for a callback. Now, I nothing against
Speaker 6: any of them, but I need a certain chemistry with
Speaker 6: you know, this is Hallie's first real comedy comedy, so
Speaker 6: I'm like, she's going to be a fool in it,
Speaker 6: and I need to create a comedy team that we've
Speaker 6: never seen before. So I get there. Natalie is a
Speaker 6: nervous wreck, you know, and I see I come in.
Speaker 6: I go, hey, everybody, thank you guys so much. Sorry,
Speaker 6: I was running late. We were scouting blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: And so then I look at Natalie and she's like rabbit,
Speaker 6: you know, And so I pull it to this side.
Speaker 6: I say, come here, girl, come here, and she's like,
Speaker 6: you know, like I know half these actresses from TV
Speaker 6: and movies.
Speaker 3: What am I doing here?
Speaker 1: Robit?
Speaker 6: What am I doing here? This is a big mistake.
Speaker 6: I ain't never done nothing. So anyway, I said, would
Speaker 6: you just relax and just be cool? So I said,
Speaker 6: don't worry about that, dude, be who God made you
Speaker 6: to be just walk through that door. So anyway, she
Speaker 6: walks through. We bring all the other actresses in. She
Speaker 6: walks through the door. The whole time we're sitting behind
Speaker 6: a table like this, Hallie's on this side, executives over here,
Speaker 6: other people, and Hallie has the script reader read with everybody,
Speaker 6: and she's just watching and she'll read, you know, blah
Speaker 6: blah blah.
Speaker 3: When Natalie comes in shaking a little bit, she goes, Hi, y'all,
Speaker 3: this is my first big audition. I hope you know.
Speaker 3: And then Hallie gets up from behind the.
Speaker 6: Desk and walks up and hugs her and said, let's
Speaker 6: read together.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I want to ask you.
Speaker 5: Advice was so when my dad taught me how to
Speaker 5: audition musicians, which is, you pick the simplest ballot ever
Speaker 5: m h and make them audition the easiest ballot ever,
Speaker 5: like fing of something simple, like color my World by,
Speaker 5: like Chicago whatever, just something very It's almost like Chop
Speaker 5: six level of easy. And he tells me, and I
Speaker 5: would say, Dad, why why do we we got more
Speaker 5: intricate songs in the show, like listen audition none?
Speaker 1: He says No.
Speaker 5: He says because the ballot will reveal to me like
Speaker 5: a musician will fall apart if he can't just do
Speaker 5: the simple task of you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like forget, forget the solid and the fels
Speaker 1: and all of that.
Speaker 5: And even now, like with my group, if I present
Speaker 5: something really intricate, they will put their mind power to
Speaker 5: study it, you know. But if it's just do nothing
Speaker 5: except this every three seconds, it's the hardest thing in
Speaker 5: the world. What is the director's equivalent of that in
Speaker 5: the audition process, Because in about three months, I'm about
Speaker 5: to go through this process and I don't know what
Speaker 5: to look for or cheat codes to have they have it,
Speaker 5: they don't have it, Like what do you look for
Speaker 5: when you is there a specific go to?
Speaker 3: Uh so let me say so. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I mean here's the it's easy. I make it very easy.
Speaker 6: The first thing is that I don't touch the actors initially.
Speaker 6: I don't even you know. I said, let me see
Speaker 6: your instincts, let me see how you see the role.
Speaker 6: Let me just see your instincts. I don't even direct
Speaker 6: them initially. So then then they'll go like I want
Speaker 6: to do, and I just go relax, breathe, breathe, like right.
Speaker 3: Now, breathe, breathe, breathe.
Speaker 6: Take your time, close your eyes. Okay, whatever is stressing
Speaker 6: you worried about, get it off of you. Shake the
Speaker 6: energy out, shake it out. Check it out, check it out,
Speaker 6: check it out, check it out. Here we go, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle.
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want to do. Here we go and action.
Speaker 1: So now I ain't be got no weapons.
Speaker 6: You no, but but but so so once I see
Speaker 6: their natural instincts, I can see if they you know,
Speaker 6: it's kind of like probably with musicians, you can see
Speaker 6: that little magic or little flur or something and you
Speaker 6: go like, oh, there's something there. I let them do that,
Speaker 6: and then then I start to play. Then I go, oh,
Speaker 6: I love what you're doing. Hey, can you do a
Speaker 6: be got no weapon again? But this time I want
Speaker 6: you to put yours, take your glasses off and put
Speaker 6: them on, and go, I ain't be got no weapon.
Speaker 6: And then I'll just give them like little things to
Speaker 6: play with, and then I'll just start you know, it's
Speaker 6: just I'll get on their frequency. So part of it
Speaker 6: is like getting on their frequency, because it depends on
Speaker 6: the role. Like oh, I had a scene. There's a
Speaker 6: movie I did that I'm really proud of, and it
Speaker 6: was like this little film called in the Hive. It's
Speaker 6: with a little retta Divine and it was Michael Clark
Speaker 6: Duncan's last movie, Wow, And she was nominated for the
Speaker 6: NAACP Image Award for Best Actress. And you know, and
Speaker 6: the movie was so powerful and there's scenes with him
Speaker 6: and they are so powerful. We played a scene at
Speaker 6: his funeral when he passed. The family was like, could
Speaker 6: you play this scene because it just showed him. But
Speaker 6: here's my directing style. I'll give you just like a
Speaker 6: little tibbot. So anyway, there's a young actor. He's twenty
Speaker 6: but he hasn't done anything, and he's got this monologue.
Speaker 6: He's playing a kid that's supposed to be fourteen, but
Speaker 6: he's old. He looks really young. So anyway, there's a
Speaker 6: scene where it's based on a true story of this
Speaker 6: woman in North Carolina who was the cook of the
Speaker 6: school and when all the kids were getting kicked out
Speaker 6: for drug Deane leading gangbang.
Speaker 3: And she says, I'll take them, I'll teach him.
Speaker 6: And she starts at school with this football player played
Speaker 6: by Michael Clark Duncan. So anyway, the kid has a
Speaker 6: long monologue where he's supposed to break down and cry,
Speaker 6: and so he couldn't cry for some reason. And I
Speaker 6: only do like three takes. I never do more than three,
Speaker 6: maybe four. If the camera has a bobble or something,
Speaker 6: I only do three takes. And I was up to twelve,
Speaker 6: and so the crew is looking at me like, rob
Speaker 6: he ain't gonna cry. We are not gonna get it.
Speaker 6: So then then I have to dig into my bag
Speaker 6: of tricks. So then I say to him, I said,
Speaker 6: you're working with Michael Clark Duncan and Loretta Divine and
Speaker 6: Robert Towns is directing you. I said, who is not
Speaker 6: with us? That would be so proud of you right
Speaker 6: now in this moment. So he goes my aunt Betty,
Speaker 6: and I said, your aunt Betty, And so I said,
Speaker 6: you know what I said, Loretta, can you come over here?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 6: Loretta was on Broadway and dream Girls, and so I said, Loretta,
Speaker 6: can you sing precious Lord?
Speaker 3: Lord we're gonna do And so she starts to sing
Speaker 3: Prass's Lord, take my hand, lead me on.
Speaker 6: And so I said, you're here at Betty's funeral and
Speaker 6: she is so proud of her nephew who is working
Speaker 6: on this movie. Crying rod cameras, roll cameras, Here we go,
Speaker 6: here we go, eighty camera, let's go, please, here we go.
Speaker 3: Background, background, here we go. Settle, settle, settle, settle, and action.
Speaker 6: Now here's the part he starts doing it. The scene
Speaker 6: is perfect, he's crying the whole thing. But this is
Speaker 6: where it gets messed up. He couldn't stop crying.
Speaker 3: He released so hard. He says, I had never cried
Speaker 3: at her real funeral.
Speaker 6: He goes, I never released, and I just held him,
Speaker 6: you know, and like certain times as a director, because
Speaker 6: you know, I have the arsenal. I felt bad because
Speaker 6: he got the performance. I got the performance I wanted,
Speaker 6: but he had never really released at his own. The
Speaker 6: same thing happened with Natalie Cole when I was working
Speaker 6: on the Natalie Cole Stories about her life and she
Speaker 6: had a monologue and I just remember, oh, she had
Speaker 6: a monologue. He's talking about her father. It is like
Speaker 6: Angel on my Shoulder for NBC. And so Natalie she
Speaker 6: she had this monologue because she was she's in it,
Speaker 6: performing in it, and she's also doing the narration. So
Speaker 6: she goes, my father was such a powerful man when
Speaker 6: he would sing his songs. I remember so and so
Speaker 6: and so and so, and she did it really perfectly,
Speaker 6: and that part of my brain where like that extra
Speaker 6: sauce comes in. I go, I go, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: he really lived, he really lived. And she goes like
Speaker 6: h and we go behind the green screen and she's
Speaker 6: crying in my arms because she goes, I forgot my
Speaker 6: father because it's all.
Speaker 3: Like not king cold, you know, i'nforget about.
Speaker 6: And then she goes like, I said, this moment here
Speaker 6: is really about you talking about.
Speaker 3: That real man rather than like my father.
Speaker 6: He was like, right, like if you've talked about your
Speaker 6: father or your mother, whatever, you would go my mother.
Speaker 6: You would like my mother was And she released and
Speaker 6: then we cleaned her makeup up and did the whole thing,
Speaker 6: and then we did it again and it was grounded
Speaker 6: and it was real. But it's like sometimes like like
Speaker 6: for you, if you talk about directing or creating and stuff,
Speaker 6: you got to get on that frequency of the actors.
Speaker 7: The actor was the actress was was that?
Speaker 1: Who played her? I remember.
Speaker 3: She was? She was really good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, wow? How was it working with her?
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, I mean we had so many because she
Speaker 3: was you know, it's.
Speaker 6: Like when an artist lives a life and you talk
Speaker 6: about surrounding yourself with good people, and there were certain
Speaker 6: people in her life that were.
Speaker 3: Like snakes and took advantage.
Speaker 6: And so we would have those real conversations, which which
Speaker 6: breaks your heart because there's there's a constant learning curve,
Speaker 6: like you, you got to learn this world.
Speaker 3: You got to learn.
Speaker 6: Okay, Hey, so and so the business manager are okay,
Speaker 6: so and so the agent so on, so my lawyer,
Speaker 6: can I trust them?
Speaker 3: Oh? My best friend? Is she really my best friend?
Speaker 3: Does she hate me? You know what I mean? Friend
Speaker 3: of me? You know? So? So, you know, it's stuff
Speaker 3: like that that just kind of breaks your heart.
Speaker 1: You have a favorite Natic Cole song, Real Quick Inseparable cosa.
Speaker 3: Mother.
Speaker 7: I watched that movie my mother. She I think we
Speaker 7: me and my mom just to watched that movie together,
Speaker 7: and I think about it. Natalie Cole was her favorite singer,
Speaker 7: and nat King Cole was my granddad's favorite sing.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was like again, that was again?
Speaker 7: Man, You really created those moments that like really brought
Speaker 7: like generations together, man, like for real I.
Speaker 5: Heard a story from Keenan or someone in Keenan's family
Speaker 5: saying that initially did the MPAA board wanted to give
Speaker 5: Raw an X rating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: I did the whole story about that because basically you
Speaker 6: asked me, like, what was the hardest thing? You know, like,
Speaker 6: when you're working on Raw, you gotta comedian. It's a
Speaker 6: genius and Eddie is a genius. And so I you know,
Speaker 6: like I talk all the time when I direct, you know,
Speaker 6: when you cast really well, you direct like this, that's
Speaker 6: all I do that if I've cast really well, that's
Speaker 6: all I do. So Eddie's a master comedian. So you
Speaker 6: can't really direct him. You can give him notes and
Speaker 6: make an adjustment. Hey, you could be a little bit
Speaker 6: more animated when you do that bit. Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be on your face here, so just give me a
Speaker 6: little bit. So I said, you know, but you could
Speaker 6: go a little bit further with the body here.
Speaker 1: So how many shows did you shoot too?
Speaker 6: At the Paramount Theater at the Paramount Theater in Madison Square,
Speaker 6: Regard And so we did the two shows. So anyway
Speaker 6: we do the two shows, We're all excited, happy. I
Speaker 6: put my cut together. I showed a cut to Keenan.
Speaker 6: Keenan loves it. We make adjustments. I show it to
Speaker 6: the studio, The studio loves it. I show it to Eddie.
Speaker 6: Eddie loves it. Everything is great. We're gonna have a
Speaker 6: big hit. Studio calls back, We got a problem. We
Speaker 6: got a big problem. We showed it to the ratings
Speaker 6: board and they've given it an X rating. You're gonna
Speaker 6: have to recut everything. What And Eddie was like, Nah,
Speaker 6: I ain't cutting shit, bullshit, bullshit, And so then he goes,
Speaker 6: I ain't cutting nothing. And so then the studios like, look, Eddie,
Speaker 6: we can't release an X rated film, Eddie.
Speaker 3: They're willing to work with us, Eddie. They're working to.
Speaker 1: Work with us.
Speaker 6: And so then we have to have this emergency meeting
Speaker 6: at Eddie's house and we have the lawyers from Paramount
Speaker 6: and the lawyers from the ratings board and they're all
Speaker 6: around this long table in Eddie's house and they've counted
Speaker 6: every curse word in the film.
Speaker 3: And you know, he's got a lawyer.
Speaker 6: There's seventy two motherfuckers, fifty two bitches, thirteen cunts, and
Speaker 6: various various cocksuckers. So let's begin. And so then are
Speaker 6: you taking that motherfucker? Are we taking that motherfucker?
Speaker 4: How many motherfuckers for an R?
Speaker 6: And so we go back and forth, we go back
Speaker 6: and forth, and we negotiate, and then we finally nine
Speaker 6: for the line.
Speaker 1: You guys had to negotiaate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then Eddie would get upset that.
Speaker 6: Eddie goes like, no, no, no, I need that motherfucker. I'll
Speaker 6: give you, I'll give you two bitches and a hope
Speaker 6: for that motherfucker. And so we go back and forth,
Speaker 6: back and for a back and for a back and forth,
Speaker 6: and he goes, we finally have an R.
Speaker 3: No, this is good, this is good. This is good.
Speaker 3: I think I think we're all there. We're almost there.
Speaker 3: And so they go to the.
Speaker 5: Whole thing, what is it like to have it? And
Speaker 5: then suddenly you have to dissect and well.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 6: It's part you know, the film is called raw, and
Speaker 6: it really was raw.
Speaker 3: He had you know, Eddie's a genius, man, he's a genius.
Speaker 6: So there was no filter and it was like but
Speaker 6: it was like having a front row to watch pure genius.
Speaker 6: I mean he's still that guy. He's still that guy.
Speaker 6: So it's like watching pure genius.
Speaker 8: I know this is kind of a ridiculous concept, but
Speaker 8: did anybody bring up the idea of like a clean
Speaker 8: version of raw? Like was that even like an option?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: That at that point Eddie was so no because see,
Speaker 6: at that point Eddie was so far you know, he
Speaker 6: was like he was a rock star.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying the way you can release a song
Speaker 8: now that's like a clean version.
Speaker 6: And people ask me all the time, how much did
Speaker 6: you cut out? And it's like, yeah, we cut out
Speaker 6: a bunch of stuff. But it was like being a surgeon, like, okay,
Speaker 6: take this one. I'll take that fuck out because he did,
Speaker 6: you know, the Italian guys grabbing their ball, you know
Speaker 6: he did.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was just on some just he's a genius.
Speaker 1: He's a genius.
Speaker 3: But we couldn't. We couldn't do It would have just
Speaker 3: been beepy peep, peep peep peep.
Speaker 5: Is there a director's cut.
Speaker 1: In your layer?
Speaker 6: I wish, I wish there could be a director's cut,
Speaker 6: But I mean that was so long ago, and then
Speaker 6: after we went through cutting, cutting, cutting, cutting, you know,
Speaker 6: it would be a nightmare to try to figure it out.
Speaker 5: We can go through your entire cannon, but we be
Speaker 5: here for twelve hours, but we got at the bear.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, you playing Ao's father, Like, man,
Speaker 5: what is what is it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: You know, let me say this. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6: It is so well written, so well directed, produced, wonderful
Speaker 6: talent cast. So you know, for me, you know, she's
Speaker 6: she loves me from the parenthood. She was like that
Speaker 6: was my growing up and blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, and so when they reached out, I
Speaker 6: was like, I'd love to And here's the thing. I
Speaker 6: was watching the show before they even called and said, hey,
Speaker 6: would you like to be a part of the world,
Speaker 6: because it's just so I just like quality, man, and
Speaker 6: it's a quality show. And so I don't know what's
Speaker 6: going to happen in the next season, but you know,
Speaker 6: everybody's you know, loving it, and I just feel blessed
Speaker 6: to be a part of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, and we we we
Speaker 5: got to get her on the show. I saw bottoms
Speaker 5: this this weekend and she's like, that's that's the Stars
Speaker 5: Stars Born Movement.
Speaker 4: Ban Camp thing too. She got a couple of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well she is everything going doing stuff with Tyler
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But man, you know, I know this is going to
Speaker 1: be one of those things where when you leave.
Speaker 5: Then we're just going to be going back and forth,
Speaker 5: right exactly, like, did I exhaust everything?
Speaker 4: You're still teaching at USC, professor? Yes, okay, And the class.
Speaker 6: Is I'm directing mixed you know. Let me say you know,
Speaker 6: let let me say this. I'm tenured at USC directing
Speaker 6: and so so let me say this.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 6: I'm like probably one of the few professors where I
Speaker 6: have more students in my class than are registered.
Speaker 10: Ill to find out you can just go sit in
Speaker 10: people people well you know the students you know out
Speaker 10: they love you know, here's the thing, you know, it's
Speaker 10: kind of like it's like.
Speaker 6: I want everybody to live their dream and if and
Speaker 6: and and I. My philosophy is that if you want
Speaker 6: to direct, write, produce, you can do it. You just
Speaker 6: got to be willing to go the extra mile. So
Speaker 6: a lot of the students I see their hunger like
Speaker 6: they want it. And then sometimes there's professors that don't
Speaker 6: know how to reach them or communicate and the students
Speaker 6: that I have, you know, and I and I just feel,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, like like when you're a kid
Speaker 6: and you go like when I grow up, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be a actor or writer, director.
Speaker 3: Of producer and a professor and I'm a literal.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And so so the students, I love it when they
Speaker 6: have their breakthroughs. And so my babies, they're all, you know,
Speaker 6: they're my babies, my cinematic babies, and they're having Like
Speaker 6: one of my students, Christian uh won the DGA Award
Speaker 6: for a student and I was like, and I work
Speaker 6: with that boy, and I was just like he won,
Speaker 6: and I was like he's and he's really good. He's
Speaker 6: really good. So so I just.
Speaker 3: Feel I just feel blessed.
Speaker 4: Speaking of your babies, we got to talk about your baby.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, yeah, yeah, what is it? What is it
Speaker 1: like to see her?
Speaker 5: Her level of comedy is frightening.
Speaker 1: Because what she's like, she's.
Speaker 5: She when she jumps into those characters, like there's I
Speaker 5: know people that can jump in the character, especially like
Speaker 5: I've been at thirty Rock for like fifteen years now,
Speaker 5: and so watching people like the level of improvisation that
Speaker 5: like if any of those SNL fauling, like anybody in
Speaker 5: that stratosphere, they get into a circle, they just start improvising,
Speaker 5: like it's the magic, like the Harlem Glupe child is
Speaker 5: like that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first of all, all your children like that, like
Speaker 1: they all.
Speaker 3: Have special it's a supernatural level watching her, dude.
Speaker 6: And you know, here's the thing, you know, it's it's
Speaker 6: kind of like we are all blessed and if you
Speaker 6: walk in your purpose, she's been blessed with a lot
Speaker 6: of talent. I mean, and yes on the show, she's
Speaker 6: showing you her character. She can go so deep, you know,
Speaker 6: like sometimes we I'm blown away. But she's been doing
Speaker 6: it since she was little, Like she was a baby,
Speaker 6: Like when I used to take them to school. You know,
Speaker 6: we would play we called it the radio game, and
Speaker 6: I'd be in the car and I'll just change the
Speaker 6: radio station and whatever music is and we go to
Speaker 6: the different stations. And so if it's French, she'd back there.
Speaker 6: We'd be going French back and forth. If it was
Speaker 6: Southern so good morning, you know, we just do characters
Speaker 6: in British English. If it sounded like the BBC, so
Speaker 6: you know, as a baby, she was doing that. So
Speaker 6: seeing her on the show, we just have these beautiful
Speaker 6: moments because I just want her to like I because
Speaker 6: at one point I was really hard on her and
Speaker 6: I said, let me stop because I give Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: I didn't want to be the the Joe Jackson.
Speaker 3: Maybe do that? Boy? Do you do that?
Speaker 8: Damn boys, you bet you better do it for the
Speaker 8: Wizard of I.
Speaker 3: You know, you better learn how to do that, you know,
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 6: So she So the thing is that I pulled back
Speaker 6: and we just have the best because she'll be working
Speaker 6: on characters and we'll just play and it's like.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's it's like it's like I
Speaker 3: got a question for you, like.
Speaker 6: As musicians like for me, Like she has a magical
Speaker 6: thing that she just you know, like she just lives
Speaker 6: in that pocket.
Speaker 3: When you're looking at musicians and artists.
Speaker 6: Do they have to have a level of magic that
Speaker 6: maybe somebody doesn't see?
Speaker 3: Is there magic involved?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I possess that magic.
Speaker 5: Yes, and then you gotta be careful in how you
Speaker 5: use it. Because one day that magic just wound up
Speaker 5: being my job. And I didn't realize that even though
Speaker 5: I channeled that magic all the time.
Speaker 1: I was just it was the A level with so
Speaker 1: effort like Steph Curry, like I could phone it in.
Speaker 5: I can talk to you right now and literally do
Speaker 5: the same performance I did on record, Like That's how
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 1: The One thing I could say like pre pandemic was I.
Speaker 5: Was not in love with music the way I was
Speaker 5: in love with it as a kid. Like as a kid,
Speaker 5: you know, teach us to play games with me, like, okay,
Speaker 5: name all six commodorees in twenty seconds, Okay, Ronald la Prix, Williams,
Speaker 5: Richie Thomas McClary.
Speaker 1: Like I was that guy.
Speaker 5: And then like when my fan base would suddenly like
Speaker 5: like approach me, and you know, you know there'll be
Speaker 5: overzeals guy like yeah, you know the Japanese B side
Speaker 5: that you did remix or whatever. And I'm not saying
Speaker 5: I was the guy that was easily annoyed.
Speaker 1: I'm willing todmit now.
Speaker 5: And in hindsight that a lot of my self deprecation
Speaker 5: not deserving it, Like I had to maybe create a
Speaker 5: character where it's like maybe I felt so guilty for
Speaker 5: the positioning that I'm in that I was willing to
Speaker 5: psychologically disassociate myself so like okay, yeah, I'm like I
Speaker 5: don't care about this shit, Like oh man, all right,
Speaker 5: you know I'll be like okay, calm down or thank you,
Speaker 5: just say just say you're a fan, and like I
Speaker 5: was that person. So I actually had to learn how
Speaker 5: to be vulnerable again in the pandemic because that's the
Speaker 5: first time my adult life that I did and do anything.
Speaker 5: Like I've been on stay since I was five with
Speaker 5: my dad and then the roots started in high school
Speaker 5: and then so I had to learn how to be
Speaker 5: vulnerable again and order to like actually love playing music
Speaker 5: and it's a weird thing, like it was a passion,
Speaker 5: then became a job, then became a burden. Then it
Speaker 5: just became I don't want to do this anymore. It
Speaker 5: became obligation, like all right, they need to pay their rent,
Speaker 5: so let me.
Speaker 1: I'll still do this.
Speaker 5: But when you have silence on your hands, like we
Speaker 5: did with the pandemic, one of the things that my
Speaker 5: coach therapist said was like, you know, where's the mind
Speaker 5: state you want to get to? And she suggested to me,
Speaker 5: like it sounds to me that you were your happiest
Speaker 5: with music at the age of eleven. So I need
Speaker 5: you to return to that eleven year old. And when
Speaker 5: you're like holding the world on your shoulders, you know
Speaker 5: you're dismissing your responsibility. I've got time to you know,
Speaker 5: I got I got lives to you know, take care
Speaker 5: of eleven.
Speaker 1: Year old is why you got that, That's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I had to allow myself the levity to
Speaker 5: be an eleven year old. So now I'm an eleven
Speaker 5: year old again, Like I would never be this giddy
Speaker 5: right now twenty fifteen, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert.
Speaker 7: Roberts well Man, like to your point, you ask him
Speaker 7: about magic. You know what I'm saying, is there magic?
Speaker 7: You know with musicians? You know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 7: there it absolutely is. And the thing about us, you
Speaker 7: know in our craft that I in my career, you know,
Speaker 7: going through it, you know that magic is elusive. You
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, Like magic is, yes, you feel me.
Speaker 7: So it's like if you're working on an album. The
Speaker 7: thing with our crew we kind of take is like,
Speaker 7: all right, if I'm working on a record, you're gonna
Speaker 7: do some records and you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna have one record. That's a team that is like, yo,
Speaker 1: we bodied this shit. Fuck you. We clap like, fuck
Speaker 1: what you talking about? Fuck your opinion? We clap this.
Speaker 3: Ship up right.
Speaker 7: If you're lucky you I mean, if you get two
Speaker 7: ten's on an album, oh my god, but like you're
Speaker 7: gonna get that one. So for us, the mentality is
Speaker 7: kind of to your point is like good is the
Speaker 7: enemy of great Yes, we've been so we're so technically
Speaker 7: good at what we do.
Speaker 1: We can just pull up and do whatever and it'll
Speaker 1: be good.
Speaker 7: Fuck good. Good is the minimum. We're trying to get greatness.
Speaker 7: So if you getting a ten on one record, you
Speaker 7: feel me. If you got a ten, it's like, okay,
Speaker 7: we know that's magic. We know that was you know
Speaker 7: that was our movie Dick. Okay, we called him one time.
Speaker 7: But if we got a ten, we can't have nothing
Speaker 7: else on this album that's less than an eight, because
Speaker 7: we've shown that we can hit a ten. So you
Speaker 7: come in here with these six and seven, funk out
Speaker 7: of here, brou like that, ain't not see I feel.
Speaker 1: Glory, glory. I feel glory, glory. What's your return like
Speaker 1: off all your verses on.
Speaker 2: Little just think I'm like, so, therefore, Fonte, what would
Speaker 2: you recommend to Robert as your ten album?
Speaker 4: What's the what's the one listening?
Speaker 5: And I know for you the listening is almost like
Speaker 5: my things all part, like when people say things for
Speaker 5: all part, I've been like a man, but I've done
Speaker 5: other albums. This is great, But I understan it's just
Speaker 5: the thing speaks to the person where they where Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: what not what you saying? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because in my in my mind, I'm thinking Robert might
Speaker 2: not really know here. He don't know what your ten
Speaker 2: sound like, and he should probably know, so I would
Speaker 2: I would like to know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh man, like I got ten for us, I
Speaker 7: would say uh. On the Little Brother's side, I think
Speaker 7: our last album made a Little Watch. That was our
Speaker 7: first record in like ten years, and we just had
Speaker 7: I just developed a skill set, you know, as getting older,
Speaker 7: working in TV, learning the language of like storytelling, because
Speaker 7: that's essentially for me, that's what musicianship is.
Speaker 1: It's all story sure, and so you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: So working working in TV, writing songs for TV, writing
Speaker 7: songs for Sessme Street, doing TV stuff like that really
Speaker 7: gave me a whole new uh skill set in terms
Speaker 7: of telling stories. And that translated it to like my
Speaker 7: MC and the songwriting. So I would say, Maylow Washington
Speaker 7: leave it all behind, which is the record I did
Speaker 7: with my other group, Foreign Exchange R and B group.
Speaker 7: We were now grant it.
Speaker 1: Would you send me all? I would say, the perfect
Speaker 1: gateway drug.
Speaker 5: He's also being honest and can't be a fan of
Speaker 5: something he's a part of. But what he represents is
Speaker 5: kind of like.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So Drake has went on record to say that that's
Speaker 5: his hero. So Fante came along in the period in
Speaker 5: which when the Internet and social media and the blogsphere
Speaker 5: was becoming this standard. Like for you, it was pounding
Speaker 5: the pavement going to these brick and mortar curtay houses whatever,
Speaker 5: whereas now you can get a whole career based on
Speaker 5: this machine. He's the first person really take advantage of
Speaker 5: what this device had to offer in terms of he's
Speaker 5: made albums with people he's never met yet in other countries.
Speaker 7: Record I did Foreign Exchange my partner Nikola at the time,
Speaker 7: he was living in the Netherlands and I was in
Speaker 7: North Carolina and Durham, and so we were just on aim.
Speaker 7: We were on an instant messenger and we would just
Speaker 7: send tracks through instant Messenger and we complete the whole album.
Speaker 7: We didn't meet until the album was finished. Like in person,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 1: It's not just recordistic piece. It's a classic album. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, listen listening.
Speaker 7: I've put up there connected our album, I'll see you stuff.
Speaker 7: But I said all that to say, man, you really
Speaker 7: hearing your story, Like I don't think you understand. Man,
Speaker 7: like you lit a fire, whether you recognize you do
Speaker 7: or not, you lit a fire under like so many
Speaker 7: black creators and black artists that were like yo, were
Speaker 7: not waiting, fuck waiting, were not waiting on somebody to
Speaker 7: give us a chance.
Speaker 1: We're not waiting.
Speaker 7: We're gonna make the ship we want to make and
Speaker 7: figure it out how we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And I think, now you know.
Speaker 7: I mean a Robert Townsend in twenty twenty three, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, A young guy. There's so many
Speaker 7: touls now that you know you really don't don't need
Speaker 7: them to some degree. I mean, unless you trying to
Speaker 7: make you know, fucking something with iron Man in it,
Speaker 7: then yeah, But if you're just trying to tell a
Speaker 7: story that's true to you, if you know how to
Speaker 7: make it and you got your people, and I really
Speaker 7: like what you said about how you know. I mean,
Speaker 7: it was asking about the actors and it was like, yo,
Speaker 7: it was my word, Like that is the exact same
Speaker 7: way we run it.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 7: It's like everybody gets paid. You're gonna be compensated. You're
Speaker 7: gonna be shown that your value for your time. But
Speaker 7: if you can't, if you can't take a person that
Speaker 7: they were, they signature on me.
Speaker 1: Sure, sir, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: So it was just you really lit a fire under us, man,
Speaker 7: and like watching Hollywood Shuffle, like I showed that to
Speaker 7: my kids. My boys are twenty two and seventeen, Like
Speaker 7: I showed them that movie and they laugh at it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: So I just you again, inspiration. I can't it's too
Speaker 7: small of a word. Like you were a fucking and
Speaker 7: are a blueprint for us.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, thank you so much, thank you
Speaker 6: so much, thank you so much. I don't want to
Speaker 6: take it nowhere your think he gave the final thing.
Speaker 4: He's an aquarius, he can't take all these compliments.
Speaker 1: I accept compliments.
Speaker 5: Wait, oh, you're an acquiring too, of course you are.
Speaker 1: What is yours January twentieth.
Speaker 5: Yes, wait, I'm right now making the obligatory phone call
Speaker 5: that I have to do whenever we do a classic episode.
Speaker 1: He's not going to pick up benefollow you, Jimmy, so
Speaker 1: you know, okay, So he's not going to pick up.
Speaker 5: Whenever we do an exemplary classic episode of Quest Love Supreme,
Speaker 5: I have to let Jimmy Jam know that he's going
Speaker 5: down a rink.
Speaker 1: Hours.
Speaker 5: We did that with Jimmy Jam was a six, It
Speaker 5: was supposed to be ninety minutes. It wanted to be six,
Speaker 5: three episodes, Jimmy, but then the Family Stand came in
Speaker 5: and did the most unexpected episode of all time. This
Speaker 5: this to me, I'm willing to say, this is probably
Speaker 5: the episode I needed, we all need.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jam is down on third place. Sorry sorry. Control
Speaker 1: is still a great album. Yes, exactly. The man hold
Speaker 1: on one my favorite seat. I have to do this for.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, we.
Speaker 11: Left you alone, think you was gonna leave that drinking
Speaker 11: and drugs ship before we left you long, thinking you
Speaker 11: was gonna come down like Harry Lennox like.
Speaker 7: I love that scene, Hawthorn, God, just the actors, man,
Speaker 7: oh my god, Big Red.
Speaker 6: Like I saw him doing Shakespeare at thespeare.
Speaker 4: I can see that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he was doing Macbeth and he was I think,
Speaker 6: you know, and I was like, this guy could be
Speaker 6: a bad guy, really good.
Speaker 7: You know, I mean he's he's a brilliant Now your
Speaker 7: eye for talent man, like seriously, like we now we
Speaker 7: salute you, bro.
Speaker 1: Unpaid Bill, you missed a masterpiece of that list. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to glue.
Speaker 2: Are you still in contact with a marine because we're
Speaker 2: looking for her to give her some flowers too.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: I haven't talked to her, but I can get you know,
Speaker 6: because she did. We just they just released Hollywood Shuffle
Speaker 6: on the Criterion Collection.
Speaker 1: Yes they did.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 6: With Anne Marie. So I can reach out. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I can get the I can get you her number.
Speaker 5: Well on be having a Fanteglo sugar Steve Layah and
Speaker 5: I'm paid Bill, Bruh. I'm sorry Robert that one episode
Speaker 5: of matt Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We'll see you on the scow
Speaker 1: around who quest Love Supreme.
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Speaker 9: This podcast is hosted by a Mere quest Love Thompson
Speaker 9: Las Saint Clair Fonte, Coleman, Sugar, Steve Mandela, and myself
Speaker 9: unpaid Phil Scherman.
Speaker 1: The executive producers.
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