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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What Up, y'all, It's Laiah and we are back with

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Speaker 2: part two of our interview with the incredible, incomparable, trail

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Speaker 2: blazing Robert Townsend. Y'all know, this conversation is everything I

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Speaker 2: love about Quest Love Supreme. It's funny, informative, and life

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Speaker 2: so heartfelt. Last week, Robert spoke about his roads to

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Speaker 2: comedy and acting as he lighted us all with a

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Speaker 2: bunch of impersonations. He spoke about working on The Warriors,

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Speaker 2: the movie y'all, nearly joining SNL, and a deep dive

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Speaker 2: into how he made Hollywood shuffle with a dream and

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Speaker 2: a credit card.

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Speaker 3: So now we're.

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Speaker 4: Back for part two.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we celebrate Black History Month with an

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Speaker 2: American treasure Robert Townsend. Part two taped in studio at

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Speaker 2: iHeart Hollywood. Enjoy y'all.

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Speaker 5: Once the success of the film brings you to this platform,

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Speaker 5: what's your internal feelings? Because oftentimes when person has like

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Speaker 5: that type of success, out the box, I mean we

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Speaker 5: could say this is the illmatic nod situation or whatever,

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Speaker 5: like the follow up getting over the mountain, Like in

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Speaker 5: your mind, what are you envisioning your next step to be.

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Speaker 6: You know what's funny is that I've always known exactly

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Speaker 6: what I want to do, and then it's just that

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Speaker 6: when you like, after Hollywood Shuffle, I was being offered

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Speaker 6: everything in the universe, every project, every script.

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Speaker 3: Every da da da dad.

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Speaker 1: What was being offered to you?

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Speaker 6: It was all kinds of bad comedies. It was like

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Speaker 6: a lot of bad stuff that I wouldn't want to do.

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Speaker 6: And so I was like, you know when people go like,

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Speaker 6: well this, you haven't made a lot of films. This

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Speaker 6: is funny, and then it's like, no, it's not funny.

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Speaker 6: And you're dealing with TV Guide because I grew up

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Speaker 6: on television, so there's a.

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Speaker 3: Certain I have my money to them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I was being offered everything, but there

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Speaker 6: was nothing that spoke to me. And the one story

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Speaker 6: in Chicago in nineteen sixty eight, Herb Kent the Cool

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Speaker 6: Gent gets on the radio and says the Temptations are

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Speaker 6: breaking up and David Ruffin is leaving the group, and

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Speaker 6: that was my favorite group, and so.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what what happened? This is wrong?

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 6: And so then that kind of stayed in my head.

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Speaker 6: And so my thing was, you know, I told Keena

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Speaker 6: and I said, we could do a story. I wasn't,

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Speaker 6: you know, arrogant enough to say we could get the

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Speaker 6: temptation story. I said, let's let's make our own movie.

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Speaker 6: But I want to know what happened. I want to

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Speaker 6: know what happened to that singing group? Why did they

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Speaker 6: break up? You know, because I was devastated as a kid.

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Speaker 6: I just remember looking at the radio and I was like, going, what,

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Speaker 6: why did he's leaving?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 6: And then that took me on the journey for the

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Speaker 6: next movie. But all the stuff that they were offering me,

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Speaker 6: there was nothing that I was really like, you know,

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Speaker 6: with The.

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Speaker 7: Five Heartbeats you at the end credits you mentioned the Dells. Yes,

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Speaker 7: how involved were they in, you know, with making a

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Speaker 7: movie with you? And how much of the story is

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Speaker 7: from their personal kind of experience.

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Speaker 6: So so let me give you the backstory behind the film.

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Speaker 6: I did a documentary on it. It's called Making the Heartbeats.

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Speaker 6: So the whole the whole thing that I would say

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Speaker 6: went to meet with him, and you know, he was

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Speaker 3: We'll just pay for it to just take care of him,

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Speaker 6: So that's our that was our plan because I told

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Speaker 6: And then he goes no, And I said, why not?

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Speaker 6: He says, because everybody's going to think it's the Motown

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Speaker 3: And so then at that point I had to say

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Speaker 3: no to them, which broke my heart. And then.

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Speaker 6: They were saying, who else would you want to be

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Speaker 6: technical advisors? And then that's when the Dells, you know,

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Speaker 6: I said, the Dells, and then the Dells.

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Speaker 1: You knew, Marvin Jr.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, Oh.

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Speaker 5: My god, Oh my god, yo, man, Like I was born,

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Speaker 5: So I wasn't born in a Dell's concert, but my

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Speaker 1: Near on the eighth ninth month.

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Speaker 5: But I started kicking at a Dell's concert And.

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Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah I was.

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Speaker 5: I was in the moon but yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 5: grew up like I grew up in the Charles Stephanie

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Speaker 5: period of the dell So like how sweet and funk

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Speaker 5: being all but yeah, Marvin Junior like to me even

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Speaker 5: Like Teddy would even say like that's his north start, Like.

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Speaker 3: What was it? What was it?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 5: Just dealing with it because the world does not know

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Speaker 5: about the Dells and how how.

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Speaker 6: So let me so the Dell's, you know, my favorite

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Speaker 6: singing group. People know, Oh what a Night is one

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Speaker 6: of their big, big, big songs, and Marvin singing the

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Speaker 6: long note, and at first they got pushed back from

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Speaker 3: Love that long note and then the whole thing.

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Speaker 6: So the first meeting with the Dell's could have been

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Speaker 6: the whole thing happened with the Temptations, I was like,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how to interview people, so I was

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Speaker 6: never like that, so we I do my research before

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Speaker 6: I go there. On their first album cover, they weren't

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Speaker 3: It's a white couple.

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Speaker 6: Walking along Michigan Avenue looking so in love, and so

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Speaker 6: will Turn. They're getting ready for the show. They're all

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Speaker 3: And so they're all friendly and nice. Robert Towns is

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Speaker 3: coming to see us. Man, Robert Towns, Hey, how you doing, Robert?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: And so then we're.

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Speaker 6: Talking, and so then I'm looking at them and I'm

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Speaker 6: then they were like, yeah, man, yeah we made money.

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Speaker 6: Yeah we did, we did. And so then they're continued talking.

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Speaker 6: Then I said, your album cover. I said, why would

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Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, it was Vern, and

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Speaker 6: They wanted us to cross over. They said it would

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Speaker 6: then I forgot. Mickey said, you know yeah, because they

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Speaker 6: But then as I was looking at them, that memory

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Speaker 6: Because then then Mickey said, yeah, man, we went to

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Speaker 6: But so that's how, that's how the Dell's and that's

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Speaker 5: So how much of Johnny Carter's life was in h

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we just took pieces of different you know. You know,

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Speaker 6: and which is real? You know, like, hey, you can't

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Speaker 3: Oh, David McKnight. Yeah, yeah, David McKnight.

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Speaker 7: And he was in Hollywood Shuffle and then also he

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Speaker 7: played choir boys.

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Speaker 3: Dad and David McKnight.

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Speaker 1: No, I love him as.

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Speaker 3: He was the first actor Pey Moon Ramie.

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Speaker 6: He entered when I was in college and I was

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Speaker 6: in speech contest in college. The first time I came

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Speaker 6: me around, David McKnight, and he had just finished a

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Speaker 6: movie called JD's Revenge.

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Speaker 3: Yes he was bad, he was JD.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, man, wait, do you have another I have

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Speaker 7: so many, but final five Heart Beats question one of

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Speaker 6: Roy has been so Roy was the was the bad

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Speaker 6: What's really happened in real life. That's the one something

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Speaker 6: They trying to get some brother to sell out again.

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Speaker 1: But it just hit me.

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Speaker 5: He's responsible for probably one of my best known songs

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Speaker 1: Yes, so here's the deal.

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Speaker 5: Now you know, I'm doing residency at Electric Ladies Studios

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Speaker 1: We're going to start working on the Voodoo record.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yo man, He's like, I got an audition.

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Speaker 5: And he's talking about yeah, man, you know I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who's old girl?

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Speaker 5: He said, you know old girl from Bill's Bill Bilder,

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Speaker 5: So he comes in the next morning, he has like

440
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Speaker 5: his sweater on, his tie, everything, his hat like he's

441
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Speaker 5: coming to audition. He's not coming in his pajamas, like

442
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 5: you know, we'll sleep there for five six hours whatever,

443
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 5: and so common he's coming in all excited like yeah, man,

444
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna knock this audition out whatever. And we're like

445
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 5: all right, good luck, good luck, and we're looking like

446
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 5: you know, you thinks going to get it.

447
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: He's like, no, we ain't gonna get it anyway.

448
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 5: The thing of the thing of the sitcom switch where

449
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Speaker 5: it's like you can do it, you can do it,

450
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Speaker 5: switch back.

451
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: And all dejected. I was like, what happened. Whenever you

452
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: get the role, you get the roll.

453
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 5: It's nah, man a man most audition too, man, Nah,

454
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 5: he's going to get it.

455
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: So we got jokes.

456
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 5: So that whole time we're just watching our our our

457
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 5: dreams deferred, our dreams, just like sail Away. And basically

458
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 5: what happens is we can't stop clown in common about

459
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 5: losing this role acting with old girl, so we just

460
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 5: start mocking Bill's Bills, Bills and all the.

461
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 1: The main line in Bills Bill's Bills says, I don't

462
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Speaker 1: think you do.

463
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Speaker 5: So that just became this ongoing joke for twelve hours,

464
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 5: like we play something, no Common, don't you got that role?

465
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Speaker 1: So just what is going on all day and all day?

466
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Speaker 1: And then once.

467
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Speaker 5: Most gets the role that we really start mocking, and

468
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 5: by like mocking wom he says, by Most death my mom,

469
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 5: he says, So, for some reason, James Poyser just de

470
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 5: sided to amalgamate the two songs Bill's Bill's Bills, and

471
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 5: Umi says, and we did it for like twenty minutes

472
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 5: for fun, and it.

473
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Speaker 1: Blows like that's a gem.

474
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 5: I like that right, and we're like, nah, man, it

475
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 5: was cool, all right, let's let's figure out a new song.

476
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 5: And now he's like, no, Noah, go go go, go

477
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 5: back to what y'all was just doing. And eventually our

478
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 5: mocking of Bill's Bill's Bills, and Umi.

479
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: Says, it's like one of Below's most loved songs.

480
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 4: Sometimes but best Below song of all times.

481
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Speaker 3: Then that's how that song came out.

482
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but even then, maybe sixty percent of his vocals

483
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 5: was just the one you know, like stevens our engineer

484
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 5: at the time, like basically like he just took him.

485
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: Fifty seven mic and was just singing anything.

486
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Speaker 4: I wish I wasn't me and literally just.

487
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: Literally that's how that song.

488
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Speaker 5: But it was based on Common's experience without the car, right,

489
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 5: it just.

490
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Speaker 1: Hit me, You're you're directly what was that light man

491
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: directing that? Just doing that like that?

492
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Speaker 6: It was you know, I like taking on, you know,

493
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 6: chances and trying different things. And when MTV approached me

494
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 6: about doing a hip hop opera, I was like, ooh,

495
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 6: that sounds a lot of fun. And initially they didn't

496
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Speaker 6: want Beyonce because they were like, has she ever acted before?

497
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Speaker 6: So there were certain executives that were giving me pushback.

498
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Speaker 6: So uh so here's the story. So then I have

499
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Speaker 6: to go to New York to have the audition there

500
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Speaker 6: she's doing something in New York, and I say, you know,

501
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Speaker 6: we'll have her audition at the MTV office in.

502
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Speaker 3: New York, you know with the big windows and all

503
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Speaker 3: that stuff.

504
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 6: So anyway, she comes in and she comes in with

505
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Speaker 6: a bodyguard because she's in Destiny's Child and she comes

506
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Speaker 6: in with some A and R woman And so when

507
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 6: she comes in, I can see she's nervous, and I

508
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 6: was like, oh my gosh, she's nervous.

509
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: And I'm like I had seen her.

510
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 6: I had hosted some event in Cincinnati with Destiny's Child,

511
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 6: and I go, she's really chrismatic that you know. I

512
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 6: didn't know her name either, like Beyonce, but I was

513
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 6: like that girl, that one singer is really chrismatic. You know,

514
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 6: I could just tell what the camera like somebody. So anyway,

515
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 6: I go, no, no, she should do it. And it's

516
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 6: like Robert, you know, you want to get an actress.

517
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 6: You know, she's never acted before. So so vin.

518
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: She shows up.

519
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 6: She's nervous, and so I go like, oh man, all

520
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Speaker 6: the executives, you know, I don't want them to think,

521
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 6: you know, they got me on this one. So I go,

522
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 6: she goes, yeah, I mean I've never acted before, and

523
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 6: so and so on and so on, and so then I

524
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 6: flipped the script. I said to the security, to the bodyguard,

525
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 6: I said, you're gonna be acting in the scene. And

526
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Speaker 6: then I say to the A and R woman you're

527
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 6: gonna be acting in the scene. And then they got really,

528
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 6: mister Telson, I don't act, miss some towls you acting today,

529
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Speaker 6: And so then he grabs the script and he's shaking,

530
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 6: and then the A and R woman she's nervous.

531
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Speaker 1: Stephanie, I think I can think Stephanie yes, And so she's.

532
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 6: Nervous and then I see Beyonce get relaxed, and so

533
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 6: then she gets relaxed. And then I was like, okay,

534
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 6: so we're going to do the scene. Now, this is

535
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 6: the scene where you get shot. And I go, you

536
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 6: get shot in the hip and you're gonna turn around,

537
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 6: You're gonna spind around and so and so on.

538
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: And so on and so and she goes, yeah, let's

539
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: do it again. Let's do it again.

540
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 6: And she had to hold those red bottoms on rolling

541
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Speaker 6: around the floor and her suit and everything, and she goes,

542
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 6: I don't care.

543
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: I don't care about that.

544
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 6: And we were doing it again and again and again,

545
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 6: and I just remember I showed the stuff to the

546
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 6: studio and they were like, you're right, she is. I said,

547
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 6: she hasn't acted before, but I said, she does her

548
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 6: music videos, but this is a hip hop and so

549
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 6: when we were on set. You know, the only thing,

550
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 6: the only thing, the only thing that got tricky was

551
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 6: that she was really a baby. She had never been

552
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 6: in a relations you know what I mean. She was

553
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 6: a baby that blew up. And so she was concerned

554
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 6: about the kiss scene because she had to kiss Makai Pfeiffer.

555
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 6: And so she would be like, I really kiss him.

556
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 6: I said, well, it's a kiss, you gotta kiss him.

557
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 6: And so then she was just so shy because she's

558
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 6: a baby. So anyway, so every day she would ask

559
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 6: me when we were shooting, is it today? And I says, no,

560
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 6: the kiss doesn't happen.

561
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: Yes.

562
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 6: He was like, and it's like, it's day seven. No,

563
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 6: it's not today, you know, day eight, No, it's not today,

564
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 6: day fifteen, it's today. And she goes, oh, And so

565
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 6: I said, just give me a good kiss, but she

566
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Speaker 6: is not. You know, I said, watch me kiss my hand,

567
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 6: and I do the whole hand kissing.

568
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Speaker 3: I do the whole thing, you know, just to show

569
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: her because she wasn't.

570
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 6: And so then Makai wasn't helping because he's going like right, right, right, wait,

571
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 6: come on, come on girl, come on, don't be shid

572
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 6: don't be shad and so so then you know it

573
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 6: was it was so it was like comedy because then

574
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 6: kiss him and she goes and I go, no, no, no, no,

575
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 6: you gotta kiss.

576
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: Him a little bit longer. I was like, yeah, how long, Robert,

577
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: like three seconds?

578
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 6: Three seconds and count hand though She's like, no, no, no,

579
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 6: you got to kiss him.

580
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: And you know, I said, give me one, juicy one,

581
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: and we're out of here one.

582
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, give me juicy rock Nations.

583
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Don't come after me that sugar Steve talking come after me.

584
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 3: And so she finally does it, and then it comes together.

585
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 6: But I just remember, you know, like now, when I

586
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 6: see her, I was like, oh, she has grown. And

587
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 6: when I watched her in Cadillac Records, I mean, it's

588
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 6: just like, you know, she's just But I saw it

589
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 6: back then, even when we were in the studio recording

590
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 6: the rap.

591
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Did she look at any Dorothy dandrech stuff or did

592
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: anybody even.

593
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 6: I think I told her not to because I wasn't

594
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 6: trying to compare performances because she she just you know,

595
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 6: I could see she was a natural. She just needed,

596
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 6: like I said, that little switch of the people acting

597
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 6: opposite her made her relax and then I saw it

598
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 6: and then when we were on set, it was just fun.

599
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you about a project that it

600
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 7: never came out, not to my knowledge, the sunny Listing

601
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 7: movie that you were working on with ving Rains.

602
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 6: It was a very It was a company out of Canada,

603
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 6: so it had like a really small release. I'm really

604
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 6: proud of that movie being as a hell. Let me

605
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 6: say this, ving Rains is an amazing actor and he

606
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 6: doesn't get all the respect, you know. So what happened

607
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 6: was I had finished I worked with him on the

608
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 6: film Holiday Heart with Alfree Woodard and she got nominated

609
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 6: for the Golden Globe for her performance. And Ving he

610
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 6: had just come off a baby boy, but then he

611
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 6: was playing this gay man and I mean he was

612
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 6: just brilliant in it, brilliant, brilliant. So after we got

613
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 6: finished with the film, he was he says, hey, man,

614
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 6: I'm working on this movie in Canada with this small

615
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 6: production company. It's a sunny listing. He goes, I don't

616
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 6: like this director. I'm spoiled because I got to work

617
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 6: with you, and you know, people really love you know

618
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 6: working you know, our chemistry as a working team. And

619
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 6: so then I flew to Toronto and we shot the

620
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 6: movie up there. It's available on DVD, but it's like

621
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 6: a small production company out of Toronto.

622
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I saw it.

623
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 7: I mean this has been years ago, Like I saw it,

624
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 7: but I always wondered why it never you know.

625
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, because because there was something about there was stuff

626
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 6: going on behind the scenes with the money and you know,

627
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 6: with the production company.

628
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: But thing does an amazing.

629
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: Job the movie.

630
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: Man, Thank you so much, Thank you?

631
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: Can you can you talk about the process of Raw

632
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 5: because the thing is, if someone asked you to shoot

633
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 5: a concert film, you really can't reinvent the wheel, right,

634
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 5: But is the pressure on is there a pressure on you?

635
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: Because I mean by that point, I know that for

636
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: certain comedians in uh, the sixties Cosby albums are their

637
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 5: north star prior albums? Are you know the north star

638
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 5: of seventies comedians? And you know, Delirious was pretty much

639
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 5: like people knew it was an instant classic the second

640
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 5: it came out. So in your mind, are you like, like,

641
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: what's what's the planning process for.

642
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Raw?

643
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: And you know and that that how did you have

644
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: the wherewithal to know who Samuel Jackson was or uh,

645
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: but Richmond, let's say Dion Richmond or Ashley like you

646
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 5: have in.

647
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: That opening sketch, like these are establish.

648
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: Let's see, but you know, you know what it is.

649
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 6: It's kind of like I have laser eyes when it

650
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 6: comes to casting, Like my eyes are like laser focused.

651
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 6: So even back then, I'm looking and I can tell

652
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 6: when people really have the talent, they really have the gift.

653
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 6: And like Sam, I just knew he had something special.

654
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 6: I could just tell and I was like, oh, he

655
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 6: can he can improvise, he can do whatever. And then

656
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 6: with the kids, Uh, there's a reason why people are stars.

657
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 6: There's a certain look, there's a certain energy, there's a

658
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: certain frequency. So when I'm casting, I cast on people's energy.

659
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: And so even back then, those baby actors they had

660
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 6: that little spark, and I saw the spark with Sam.

661
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 6: You know, I see a lot of actors and some

662
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 6: actors are not magical, you know. I mean, I'm hard

663
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: on talent, you know, because I mean if I've casted right,

664
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 6: then they will be perfect for the role.

665
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: If I've done my job, and you go.

666
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 6: Like there's something extra going on, Like people don't know

667
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 6: that there's extra sauce going on, like like baps. For example,

668
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 6: Natalie who played opposite Hallie. The studios wanted me to

669
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 6: cast whatever black actress was on television at that time,

670
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 6: and it's like, well, she's hot, she can get on

671
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 6: the Tonight Show, she can get on Letterman, she can

672
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 6: get on so and so on and so on and so,

673
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 6: and I was like, no, it's got to be about chemistry.

674
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 6: And she happened to be in an acting class with

675
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: Phason Love and Fason goes, there's this girl that's in

676
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 6: my acting class that I think could be perfect for

677
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 6: your movie. And I said, you know, I'll meet her

678
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 6: at your house. And we did a two hour improv

679
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 6: doing all the scenes from the film. And so I

680
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 6: was like I finished doing the improv with her, and

681
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 6: I was like, she's the star.

682
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: She's the one who's going to be in the film.

683
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: With Halle.

684
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 6: I call the studio and the studio goes, Robert, Robert,

685
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 6: she hasn't made a movie before. You know, what do

686
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 6: you mean some unknown with Halle? I said, would you

687
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 6: just look at her?

688
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Please?

689
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: Just look at her.

690
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 6: I think she's I think she's got something special. So anyway,

691
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 6: he says, well, bring it to the callbacks whatever. So

692
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 6: we have the callbacks and I'm scouting locations that day.

693
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 6: So I've got the top black actresses from television, movies,

694
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 6: theater all waiting for a callback. Now, I nothing against

695
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 6: any of them, but I need a certain chemistry with

696
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: you know, this is Hallie's first real comedy comedy, so

697
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 6: I'm like, she's going to be a fool in it,

698
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 6: and I need to create a comedy team that we've

699
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 6: never seen before. So I get there. Natalie is a

700
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 6: nervous wreck, you know, and I see I come in.

701
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 6: I go, hey, everybody, thank you guys so much. Sorry,

702
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 6: I was running late. We were scouting blah blah blah.

703
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: And so then I look at Natalie and she's like rabbit,

704
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 6: you know, And so I pull it to this side.

705
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 6: I say, come here, girl, come here, and she's like,

706
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 6: you know, like I know half these actresses from TV

707
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 6: and movies.

708
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: What am I doing here?

709
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: Robit?

710
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 6: What am I doing here? This is a big mistake.

711
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 6: I ain't never done nothing. So anyway, I said, would

712
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: you just relax and just be cool? So I said,

713
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 6: don't worry about that, dude, be who God made you

714
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 6: to be just walk through that door. So anyway, she

715
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 6: walks through. We bring all the other actresses in. She

716
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 6: walks through the door. The whole time we're sitting behind

717
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 6: a table like this, Hallie's on this side, executives over here,

718
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 6: other people, and Hallie has the script reader read with everybody,

719
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 6: and she's just watching and she'll read, you know, blah

720
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 6: blah blah.

721
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: When Natalie comes in shaking a little bit, she goes, Hi, y'all,

722
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: this is my first big audition. I hope you know.

723
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: And then Hallie gets up from behind the.

724
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 6: Desk and walks up and hugs her and said, let's

725
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 6: read together.

726
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I want to ask you.

727
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: Advice was so when my dad taught me how to

728
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: audition musicians, which is, you pick the simplest ballot ever

729
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 5: m h and make them audition the easiest ballot ever,

730
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: like fing of something simple, like color my World by,

731
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 5: like Chicago whatever, just something very It's almost like Chop

732
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 5: six level of easy. And he tells me, and I

733
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 5: would say, Dad, why why do we we got more

734
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 5: intricate songs in the show, like listen audition none?

735
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: He says No.

736
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 5: He says because the ballot will reveal to me like

737
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 5: a musician will fall apart if he can't just do

738
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: the simple task of you know.

739
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: So it's like forget, forget the solid and the fels

740
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: and all of that.

741
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 5: And even now, like with my group, if I present

742
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: something really intricate, they will put their mind power to

743
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: study it, you know. But if it's just do nothing

744
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 5: except this every three seconds, it's the hardest thing in

745
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: the world. What is the director's equivalent of that in

746
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 5: the audition process, Because in about three months, I'm about

747
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 5: to go through this process and I don't know what

748
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: to look for or cheat codes to have they have it,

749
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 5: they don't have it, Like what do you look for

750
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: when you is there a specific go to?

751
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: Uh so let me say so. No, no, no, no,

752
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: I mean here's the it's easy. I make it very easy.

753
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 6: The first thing is that I don't touch the actors initially.

754
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 6: I don't even you know. I said, let me see

755
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 6: your instincts, let me see how you see the role.

756
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 6: Let me just see your instincts. I don't even direct

757
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: them initially. So then then they'll go like I want

758
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 6: to do, and I just go relax, breathe, breathe, like right.

759
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: Now, breathe, breathe, breathe.

760
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 6: Take your time, close your eyes. Okay, whatever is stressing

761
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 6: you worried about, get it off of you. Shake the

762
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 6: energy out, shake it out. Check it out, check it out,

763
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 6: check it out, check it out. Here we go, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle.

764
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want to do. Here we go and action.

765
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: So now I ain't be got no weapons.

766
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 6: You no, but but but so so once I see

767
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 6: their natural instincts, I can see if they you know,

768
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 6: it's kind of like probably with musicians, you can see

769
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: that little magic or little flur or something and you

770
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 6: go like, oh, there's something there. I let them do that,

771
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 6: and then then I start to play. Then I go, oh,

772
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 6: I love what you're doing. Hey, can you do a

773
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 6: be got no weapon again? But this time I want

774
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 6: you to put yours, take your glasses off and put

775
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 6: them on, and go, I ain't be got no weapon.

776
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 6: And then I'll just give them like little things to

777
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 6: play with, and then I'll just start you know, it's

778
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 6: just I'll get on their frequency. So part of it

779
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 6: is like getting on their frequency, because it depends on

780
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 6: the role. Like oh, I had a scene. There's a

781
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 6: movie I did that I'm really proud of, and it

782
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 6: was like this little film called in the Hive. It's

783
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 6: with a little retta Divine and it was Michael Clark

784
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: Duncan's last movie, Wow, And she was nominated for the

785
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 6: NAACP Image Award for Best Actress. And you know, and

786
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: the movie was so powerful and there's scenes with him

787
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 6: and they are so powerful. We played a scene at

788
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 6: his funeral when he passed. The family was like, could

789
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 6: you play this scene because it just showed him. But

790
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 6: here's my directing style. I'll give you just like a

791
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 6: little tibbot. So anyway, there's a young actor. He's twenty

792
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 6: but he hasn't done anything, and he's got this monologue.

793
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 6: He's playing a kid that's supposed to be fourteen, but

794
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 6: he's old. He looks really young. So anyway, there's a

795
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 6: scene where it's based on a true story of this

796
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 6: woman in North Carolina who was the cook of the

797
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 6: school and when all the kids were getting kicked out

798
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 6: for drug Deane leading gangbang.

799
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: And she says, I'll take them, I'll teach him.

800
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 6: And she starts at school with this football player played

801
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 6: by Michael Clark Duncan. So anyway, the kid has a

802
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 6: long monologue where he's supposed to break down and cry,

803
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 6: and so he couldn't cry for some reason. And I

804
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 6: only do like three takes. I never do more than three,

805
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 6: maybe four. If the camera has a bobble or something,

806
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 6: I only do three takes. And I was up to twelve,

807
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 6: and so the crew is looking at me like, rob

808
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 6: he ain't gonna cry. We are not gonna get it.

809
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 6: So then then I have to dig into my bag

810
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 6: of tricks. So then I say to him, I said,

811
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 6: you're working with Michael Clark Duncan and Loretta Divine and

812
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 6: Robert Towns is directing you. I said, who is not

813
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 6: with us? That would be so proud of you right

814
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 6: now in this moment. So he goes my aunt Betty,

815
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 6: and I said, your aunt Betty, And so I said,

816
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 6: you know what I said, Loretta, can you come over here?

817
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: Now?

818
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 6: Loretta was on Broadway and dream Girls, and so I said, Loretta,

819
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 6: can you sing precious Lord?

820
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: Lord we're gonna do And so she starts to sing

821
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: Prass's Lord, take my hand, lead me on.

822
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 6: And so I said, you're here at Betty's funeral and

823
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 6: she is so proud of her nephew who is working

824
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 6: on this movie. Crying rod cameras, roll cameras, Here we go,

825
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 6: here we go, eighty camera, let's go, please, here we go.

826
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: Background, background, here we go. Settle, settle, settle, settle, and action.

827
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 6: Now here's the part he starts doing it. The scene

828
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 6: is perfect, he's crying the whole thing. But this is

829
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 6: where it gets messed up. He couldn't stop crying.

830
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: He released so hard. He says, I had never cried

831
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: at her real funeral.

832
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 6: He goes, I never released, and I just held him,

833
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 6: you know, and like certain times as a director, because

834
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 6: you know, I have the arsenal. I felt bad because

835
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 6: he got the performance. I got the performance I wanted,

836
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 6: but he had never really released at his own. The

837
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 6: same thing happened with Natalie Cole when I was working

838
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 6: on the Natalie Cole Stories about her life and she

839
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 6: had a monologue and I just remember, oh, she had

840
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 6: a monologue. He's talking about her father. It is like

841
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 6: Angel on my Shoulder for NBC. And so Natalie she

842
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 6: she had this monologue because she was she's in it,

843
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 6: performing in it, and she's also doing the narration. So

844
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 6: she goes, my father was such a powerful man when

845
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 6: he would sing his songs. I remember so and so

846
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 6: and so and so, and she did it really perfectly,

847
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 6: and that part of my brain where like that extra

848
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 6: sauce comes in. I go, I go, you know, you know,

849
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 6: he really lived, he really lived. And she goes like

850
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 6: h and we go behind the green screen and she's

851
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 6: crying in my arms because she goes, I forgot my

852
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 6: father because it's all.

853
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: Like not king cold, you know, i'nforget about.

854
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 6: And then she goes like, I said, this moment here

855
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 6: is really about you talking about.

856
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: That real man rather than like my father.

857
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 6: He was like, right, like if you've talked about your

858
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 6: father or your mother, whatever, you would go my mother.

859
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 6: You would like my mother was And she released and

860
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 6: then we cleaned her makeup up and did the whole thing,

861
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 6: and then we did it again and it was grounded

862
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 6: and it was real. But it's like sometimes like like

863
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: for you, if you talk about directing or creating and stuff,

864
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 6: you got to get on that frequency of the actors.

865
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 7: The actor was the actress was was that?

866
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Who played her? I remember.

867
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 3: She was? She was really good?

868
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, wow? How was it working with her?

869
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, I mean we had so many because she

870
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: was you know, it's.

871
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 6: Like when an artist lives a life and you talk

872
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 6: about surrounding yourself with good people, and there were certain

873
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 6: people in her life that were.

874
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: Like snakes and took advantage.

875
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 6: And so we would have those real conversations, which which

876
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 6: breaks your heart because there's there's a constant learning curve,

877
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 6: like you, you got to learn this world.

878
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 3: You got to learn.

879
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 6: Okay, Hey, so and so the business manager are okay,

880
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 6: so and so the agent so on, so my lawyer,

881
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 6: can I trust them?

882
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: Oh? My best friend? Is she really my best friend?

883
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: Does she hate me? You know what I mean? Friend

884
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: of me? You know? So? So, you know, it's stuff

885
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: like that that just kind of breaks your heart.

886
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: You have a favorite Natic Cole song, Real Quick Inseparable cosa.

887
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: Mother.

888
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 7: I watched that movie my mother. She I think we

889
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 7: me and my mom just to watched that movie together,

890
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 7: and I think about it. Natalie Cole was her favorite singer,

891
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 7: and nat King Cole was my granddad's favorite sing.

892
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was like again, that was again?

893
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 7: Man, You really created those moments that like really brought

894
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 7: like generations together, man, like for real I.

895
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 5: Heard a story from Keenan or someone in Keenan's family

896
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 5: saying that initially did the MPAA board wanted to give

897
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 5: Raw an X rating.

898
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

899
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 6: I did the whole story about that because basically you

900
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 6: asked me, like, what was the hardest thing? You know, like,

901
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 6: when you're working on Raw, you gotta comedian. It's a

902
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 6: genius and Eddie is a genius. And so I you know,

903
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 6: like I talk all the time when I direct, you know,

904
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 6: when you cast really well, you direct like this, that's

905
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 6: all I do that if I've cast really well, that's

906
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 6: all I do. So Eddie's a master comedian. So you

907
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 6: can't really direct him. You can give him notes and

908
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: make an adjustment. Hey, you could be a little bit

909
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 6: more animated when you do that bit. Hey, I'm gonna

910
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 6: be on your face here, so just give me a

911
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 6: little bit. So I said, you know, but you could

912
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 6: go a little bit further with the body here.

913
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: So how many shows did you shoot too?

914
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 6: At the Paramount Theater at the Paramount Theater in Madison Square,

915
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 6: Regard And so we did the two shows. So anyway

916
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 6: we do the two shows, We're all excited, happy. I

917
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 6: put my cut together. I showed a cut to Keenan.

918
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: Keenan loves it. We make adjustments. I show it to

919
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 6: the studio, The studio loves it. I show it to Eddie.

920
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 6: Eddie loves it. Everything is great. We're gonna have a

921
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 6: big hit. Studio calls back, We got a problem. We

922
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 6: got a big problem. We showed it to the ratings

923
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 6: board and they've given it an X rating. You're gonna

924
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 6: have to recut everything. What And Eddie was like, Nah,

925
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 6: I ain't cutting shit, bullshit, bullshit, And so then he goes,

926
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 6: I ain't cutting nothing. And so then the studios like, look, Eddie,

927
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 6: we can't release an X rated film, Eddie.

928
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: They're willing to work with us, Eddie. They're working to.

929
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: Work with us.

930
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 6: And so then we have to have this emergency meeting

931
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 6: at Eddie's house and we have the lawyers from Paramount

932
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 6: and the lawyers from the ratings board and they're all

933
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 6: around this long table in Eddie's house and they've counted

934
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 6: every curse word in the film.

935
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: And you know, he's got a lawyer.

936
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 6: There's seventy two motherfuckers, fifty two bitches, thirteen cunts, and

937
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 6: various various cocksuckers. So let's begin. And so then are

938
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 6: you taking that motherfucker? Are we taking that motherfucker?

939
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 4: How many motherfuckers for an R?

940
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 6: And so we go back and forth, we go back

941
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 6: and forth, and we negotiate, and then we finally nine

942
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 6: for the line.

943
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: You guys had to negotiaate.

944
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then Eddie would get upset that.

945
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 6: Eddie goes like, no, no, no, I need that motherfucker. I'll

946
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 6: give you, I'll give you two bitches and a hope

947
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 6: for that motherfucker. And so we go back and forth,

948
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: back and for a back and for a back and forth,

949
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 6: and he goes, we finally have an R.

950
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: No, this is good, this is good. This is good.

951
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: I think I think we're all there. We're almost there.

952
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: And so they go to the.

953
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 5: Whole thing, what is it like to have it? And

954
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 5: then suddenly you have to dissect and well.

955
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, here's the thing.

956
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 6: It's part you know, the film is called raw, and

957
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 6: it really was raw.

958
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: He had you know, Eddie's a genius, man, he's a genius.

959
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 6: So there was no filter and it was like but

960
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 6: it was like having a front row to watch pure genius.

961
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 6: I mean he's still that guy. He's still that guy.

962
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 6: So it's like watching pure genius.

963
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 8: I know this is kind of a ridiculous concept, but

964
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 8: did anybody bring up the idea of like a clean

965
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 8: version of raw? Like was that even like an option?

966
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 9: No?

967
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 6: That at that point Eddie was so no because see,

968
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 6: at that point Eddie was so far you know, he

969
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 6: was like he was a rock star.

970
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: God.

971
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 8: What I'm saying the way you can release a song

972
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 8: now that's like a clean version.

973
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 6: And people ask me all the time, how much did

974
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 6: you cut out? And it's like, yeah, we cut out

975
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 6: a bunch of stuff. But it was like being a surgeon, like, okay,

976
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 6: take this one. I'll take that fuck out because he did,

977
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 6: you know, the Italian guys grabbing their ball, you know

978
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 6: he did.

979
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: I mean, he was just on some just he's a genius.

980
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: He's a genius.

981
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 3: But we couldn't. We couldn't do It would have just

982
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: been beepy peep, peep peep peep.

983
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 5: Is there a director's cut.

984
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: In your layer?

985
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 6: I wish, I wish there could be a director's cut,

986
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 6: But I mean that was so long ago, and then

987
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 6: after we went through cutting, cutting, cutting, cutting, you know,

988
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 6: it would be a nightmare to try to figure it out.

989
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 5: We can go through your entire cannon, but we be

990
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 5: here for twelve hours, but we got at the bear.

991
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

992
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, you playing Ao's father, Like, man,

993
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: what is what is it?

994
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: Like?

995
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: You know, let me say this. Here's the thing.

996
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 6: It is so well written, so well directed, produced, wonderful

997
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 6: talent cast. So you know, for me, you know, she's

998
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 6: she loves me from the parenthood. She was like that

999
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 6: was my growing up and blah blah blah. And I

1000
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 6: was like, oh, and so when they reached out, I

1001
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 6: was like, I'd love to And here's the thing. I

1002
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 6: was watching the show before they even called and said, hey,

1003
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: would you like to be a part of the world,

1004
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 6: because it's just so I just like quality, man, and

1005
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 6: it's a quality show. And so I don't know what's

1006
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 6: going to happen in the next season, but you know,

1007
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 6: everybody's you know, loving it, and I just feel blessed

1008
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 6: to be a part of it.

1009
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, and we we we

1010
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: got to get her on the show. I saw bottoms

1011
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 5: this this weekend and she's like, that's that's the Stars

1012
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 5: Stars Born Movement.

1013
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: Ban Camp thing too. She got a couple of things.

1014
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, well she is everything going doing stuff with Tyler

1015
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.

1016
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: But man, you know, I know this is going to

1017
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: be one of those things where when you leave.

1018
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 5: Then we're just going to be going back and forth,

1019
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 5: right exactly, like, did I exhaust everything?

1020
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: You're still teaching at USC, professor? Yes, okay, And the class.

1021
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 6: Is I'm directing mixed you know. Let me say you know,

1022
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 6: let let me say this. I'm tenured at USC directing

1023
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: and so so let me say this.

1024
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: I think.

1025
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 6: I'm like probably one of the few professors where I

1026
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 6: have more students in my class than are registered.

1027
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 10: Ill to find out you can just go sit in

1028
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 10: people people well you know the students you know out

1029
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 10: they love you know, here's the thing, you know, it's

1030
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 10: kind of like it's like.

1031
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 6: I want everybody to live their dream and if and

1032
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 6: and and I. My philosophy is that if you want

1033
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 6: to direct, write, produce, you can do it. You just

1034
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 6: got to be willing to go the extra mile. So

1035
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 6: a lot of the students I see their hunger like

1036
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 6: they want it. And then sometimes there's professors that don't

1037
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 6: know how to reach them or communicate and the students

1038
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 6: that I have, you know, and I and I just feel,

1039
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, like like when you're a kid

1040
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 6: and you go like when I grow up, I'm gonna

1041
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 6: be a actor or writer, director.

1042
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: Of producer and a professor and I'm a literal.

1043
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1044
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 6: And so so the students, I love it when they

1045
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 6: have their breakthroughs. And so my babies, they're all, you know,

1046
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 6: they're my babies, my cinematic babies, and they're having Like

1047
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 6: one of my students, Christian uh won the DGA Award

1048
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 6: for a student and I was like, and I work

1049
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 6: with that boy, and I was just like he won,

1050
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 6: and I was like he's and he's really good. He's

1051
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 6: really good. So so I just.

1052
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 3: Feel I just feel blessed.

1053
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: Speaking of your babies, we got to talk about your baby.

1054
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, yeah, yeah, what is it? What is it

1055
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: like to see her?

1056
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 5: Her level of comedy is frightening.

1057
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Because what she's like, she's.

1058
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 5: She when she jumps into those characters, like there's I

1059
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 5: know people that can jump in the character, especially like

1060
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: I've been at thirty Rock for like fifteen years now,

1061
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 5: and so watching people like the level of improvisation that

1062
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 5: like if any of those SNL fauling, like anybody in

1063
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 5: that stratosphere, they get into a circle, they just start improvising,

1064
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 5: like it's the magic, like the Harlem Glupe child is

1065
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 5: like that sort of thing.

1066
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, first of all, all your children like that, like

1067
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: they all.

1068
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: Have special it's a supernatural level watching her, dude.

1069
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 6: And you know, here's the thing, you know, it's it's

1070
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 6: kind of like we are all blessed and if you

1071
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 6: walk in your purpose, she's been blessed with a lot

1072
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 6: of talent. I mean, and yes on the show, she's

1073
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 6: showing you her character. She can go so deep, you know,

1074
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 6: like sometimes we I'm blown away. But she's been doing

1075
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 6: it since she was little, Like she was a baby,

1076
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 6: Like when I used to take them to school. You know,

1077
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 6: we would play we called it the radio game, and

1078
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 6: I'd be in the car and I'll just change the

1079
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 6: radio station and whatever music is and we go to

1080
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 6: the different stations. And so if it's French, she'd back there.

1081
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 6: We'd be going French back and forth. If it was

1082
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 6: Southern so good morning, you know, we just do characters

1083
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 6: in British English. If it sounded like the BBC, so

1084
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 6: you know, as a baby, she was doing that. So

1085
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 6: seeing her on the show, we just have these beautiful

1086
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 6: moments because I just want her to like I because

1087
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 6: at one point I was really hard on her and

1088
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 6: I said, let me stop because I give Yeah, well,

1089
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 6: I didn't want to be the the Joe Jackson.

1090
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: Maybe do that? Boy? Do you do that?

1091
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 8: Damn boys, you bet you better do it for the

1092
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 8: Wizard of I.

1093
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: You know, you better learn how to do that, you know,

1094
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: you know?

1095
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 6: So she So the thing is that I pulled back

1096
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 6: and we just have the best because she'll be working

1097
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 6: on characters and we'll just play and it's like.

1098
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's it's like it's like I

1099
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: got a question for you, like.

1100
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 6: As musicians like for me, Like she has a magical

1101
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 6: thing that she just you know, like she just lives

1102
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 6: in that pocket.

1103
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: When you're looking at musicians and artists.

1104
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 6: Do they have to have a level of magic that

1105
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 6: maybe somebody doesn't see?

1106
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: Is there magic involved?

1107
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I possess that magic.

1108
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 5: Yes, and then you gotta be careful in how you

1109
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 5: use it. Because one day that magic just wound up

1110
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 5: being my job. And I didn't realize that even though

1111
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 5: I channeled that magic all the time.

1112
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: I was just it was the A level with so

1113
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: effort like Steph Curry, like I could phone it in.

1114
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 5: I can talk to you right now and literally do

1115
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 5: the same performance I did on record, Like That's how

1116
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 5: it is.

1117
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: The One thing I could say like pre pandemic was I.

1118
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 5: Was not in love with music the way I was

1119
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: in love with it as a kid. Like as a kid,

1120
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 5: you know, teach us to play games with me, like, okay,

1121
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: name all six commodorees in twenty seconds, Okay, Ronald la Prix, Williams,

1122
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 5: Richie Thomas McClary.

1123
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: Like I was that guy.

1124
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 5: And then like when my fan base would suddenly like

1125
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 5: like approach me, and you know, you know there'll be

1126
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 5: overzeals guy like yeah, you know the Japanese B side

1127
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 5: that you did remix or whatever. And I'm not saying

1128
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 5: I was the guy that was easily annoyed.

1129
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm willing todmit now.

1130
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 5: And in hindsight that a lot of my self deprecation

1131
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 5: not deserving it, Like I had to maybe create a

1132
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 5: character where it's like maybe I felt so guilty for

1133
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 5: the positioning that I'm in that I was willing to

1134
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 5: psychologically disassociate myself so like okay, yeah, I'm like I

1135
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 5: don't care about this shit, Like oh man, all right,

1136
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 5: you know I'll be like okay, calm down or thank you,

1137
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 5: just say just say you're a fan, and like I

1138
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 5: was that person. So I actually had to learn how

1139
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 5: to be vulnerable again in the pandemic because that's the

1140
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 5: first time my adult life that I did and do anything.

1141
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 5: Like I've been on stay since I was five with

1142
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: my dad and then the roots started in high school

1143
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 5: and then so I had to learn how to be

1144
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 5: vulnerable again and order to like actually love playing music

1145
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 5: and it's a weird thing, like it was a passion,

1146
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 5: then became a job, then became a burden. Then it

1147
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 5: just became I don't want to do this anymore. It

1148
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 5: became obligation, like all right, they need to pay their rent,

1149
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 5: so let me.

1150
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: I'll still do this.

1151
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 5: But when you have silence on your hands, like we

1152
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 5: did with the pandemic, one of the things that my

1153
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 5: coach therapist said was like, you know, where's the mind

1154
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 5: state you want to get to? And she suggested to me,

1155
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 5: like it sounds to me that you were your happiest

1156
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 5: with music at the age of eleven. So I need

1157
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: you to return to that eleven year old. And when

1158
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 5: you're like holding the world on your shoulders, you know

1159
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 5: you're dismissing your responsibility. I've got time to you know,

1160
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 5: I got I got lives to you know, take care

1161
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 5: of eleven.

1162
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: Year old is why you got that, That's right.

1163
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I had to allow myself the levity to

1164
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 5: be an eleven year old. So now I'm an eleven

1165
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 5: year old again, Like I would never be this giddy

1166
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 5: right now twenty fifteen, you know.

1167
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert.

1168
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 7: Roberts well Man, like to your point, you ask him

1169
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 7: about magic. You know what I'm saying, is there magic?

1170
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 7: You know with musicians? You know what I'm saying, And

1171
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 7: there it absolutely is. And the thing about us, you

1172
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 7: know in our craft that I in my career, you know,

1173
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 7: going through it, you know that magic is elusive. You

1174
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, Like magic is, yes, you feel me.

1175
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 7: So it's like if you're working on an album. The

1176
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 7: thing with our crew we kind of take is like,

1177
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 7: all right, if I'm working on a record, you're gonna

1178
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 7: do some records and you're.

1179
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: Gonna have one record. That's a team that is like, yo,

1180
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: we bodied this shit. Fuck you. We clap like, fuck

1181
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: what you talking about? Fuck your opinion? We clap this.

1182
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: Ship up right.

1183
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 7: If you're lucky you I mean, if you get two

1184
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 7: ten's on an album, oh my god, but like you're

1185
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 7: gonna get that one. So for us, the mentality is

1186
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 7: kind of to your point is like good is the

1187
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 7: enemy of great Yes, we've been so we're so technically

1188
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 7: good at what we do.

1189
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: We can just pull up and do whatever and it'll

1190
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: be good.

1191
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 7: Fuck good. Good is the minimum. We're trying to get greatness.

1192
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 7: So if you getting a ten on one record, you

1193
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 7: feel me. If you got a ten, it's like, okay,

1194
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 7: we know that's magic. We know that was you know

1195
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 7: that was our movie Dick. Okay, we called him one time.

1196
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 7: But if we got a ten, we can't have nothing

1197
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 7: else on this album that's less than an eight, because

1198
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 7: we've shown that we can hit a ten. So you

1199
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 7: come in here with these six and seven, funk out

1200
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 7: of here, brou like that, ain't not see I feel.

1201
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: Glory, glory. I feel glory, glory. What's your return like

1202
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: off all your verses on.

1203
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: Little just think I'm like, so, therefore, Fonte, what would

1204
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: you recommend to Robert as your ten album?

1205
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 4: What's the what's the one listening?

1206
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 5: And I know for you the listening is almost like

1207
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 5: my things all part, like when people say things for

1208
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 5: all part, I've been like a man, but I've done

1209
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 5: other albums. This is great, But I understan it's just

1210
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 5: the thing speaks to the person where they where Yeah, yeah,

1211
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 5: what not what you saying? Yeah?

1212
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: Because in my in my mind, I'm thinking Robert might

1213
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: not really know here. He don't know what your ten

1214
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: sound like, and he should probably know, so I would

1215
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: I would like to know.

1216
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh man, like I got ten for us, I

1217
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 7: would say uh. On the Little Brother's side, I think

1218
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 7: our last album made a Little Watch. That was our

1219
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 7: first record in like ten years, and we just had

1220
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 7: I just developed a skill set, you know, as getting older,

1221
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 7: working in TV, learning the language of like storytelling, because

1222
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 7: that's essentially for me, that's what musicianship is.

1223
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: It's all story sure, and so you know what I mean.

1224
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 7: So working working in TV, writing songs for TV, writing

1225
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 7: songs for Sessme Street, doing TV stuff like that really

1226
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 7: gave me a whole new uh skill set in terms

1227
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 7: of telling stories. And that translated it to like my

1228
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 7: MC and the songwriting. So I would say, Maylow Washington

1229
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 7: leave it all behind, which is the record I did

1230
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 7: with my other group, Foreign Exchange R and B group.

1231
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 7: We were now grant it.

1232
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: Would you send me all? I would say, the perfect

1233
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: gateway drug.

1234
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 5: He's also being honest and can't be a fan of

1235
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 5: something he's a part of. But what he represents is

1236
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 5: kind of like.

1237
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

1238
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 5: So Drake has went on record to say that that's

1239
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: his hero. So Fante came along in the period in

1240
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 5: which when the Internet and social media and the blogsphere

1241
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 5: was becoming this standard. Like for you, it was pounding

1242
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 5: the pavement going to these brick and mortar curtay houses whatever,

1243
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: whereas now you can get a whole career based on

1244
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: this machine. He's the first person really take advantage of

1245
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 5: what this device had to offer in terms of he's

1246
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 5: made albums with people he's never met yet in other countries.

1247
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 7: Record I did Foreign Exchange my partner Nikola at the time,

1248
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 7: he was living in the Netherlands and I was in

1249
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 7: North Carolina and Durham, and so we were just on aim.

1250
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 7: We were on an instant messenger and we would just

1251
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 7: send tracks through instant Messenger and we complete the whole album.

1252
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 7: We didn't meet until the album was finished. Like in person,

1253
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 7: you know.

1254
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: It's not just recordistic piece. It's a classic album. So

1255
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, listen listening.

1256
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 7: I've put up there connected our album, I'll see you stuff.

1257
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 7: But I said all that to say, man, you really

1258
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 7: hearing your story, Like I don't think you understand. Man,

1259
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 7: like you lit a fire, whether you recognize you do

1260
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 7: or not, you lit a fire under like so many

1261
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 7: black creators and black artists that were like yo, were

1262
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 7: not waiting, fuck waiting, were not waiting on somebody to

1263
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 7: give us a chance.

1264
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: We're not waiting.

1265
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 7: We're gonna make the ship we want to make and

1266
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 7: figure it out how we're gonna do it.

1267
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: And I think, now you know.

1268
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 7: I mean a Robert Townsend in twenty twenty three, you

1269
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, A young guy. There's so many

1270
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 7: touls now that you know you really don't don't need

1271
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 7: them to some degree. I mean, unless you trying to

1272
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 7: make you know, fucking something with iron Man in it,

1273
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 7: then yeah, But if you're just trying to tell a

1274
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 7: story that's true to you, if you know how to

1275
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 7: make it and you got your people, and I really

1276
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 7: like what you said about how you know. I mean,

1277
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 7: it was asking about the actors and it was like, yo,

1278
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 7: it was my word, Like that is the exact same

1279
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 7: way we run it.

1280
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: Bro.

1281
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 7: It's like everybody gets paid. You're gonna be compensated. You're

1282
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 7: gonna be shown that your value for your time. But

1283
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 7: if you can't, if you can't take a person that

1284
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 7: they were, they signature on me.

1285
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: Sure, sir, you know what I mean.

1286
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 7: So it was just you really lit a fire under us, man,

1287
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 7: and like watching Hollywood Shuffle, like I showed that to

1288
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 7: my kids. My boys are twenty two and seventeen, Like

1289
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 7: I showed them that movie and they laugh at it.

1290
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So you know what I mean.

1291
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 7: So I just you again, inspiration. I can't it's too

1292
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 7: small of a word. Like you were a fucking and

1293
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 7: are a blueprint for us.

1294
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, thank you so much, thank you

1295
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 6: so much, thank you so much. I don't want to

1296
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 6: take it nowhere your think he gave the final thing.

1297
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: He's an aquarius, he can't take all these compliments.

1298
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: I accept compliments.

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Speaker 5: Wait, oh, you're an acquiring too, of course you are.

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Speaker 1: What is yours January twentieth.

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Speaker 5: Yes, wait, I'm right now making the obligatory phone call

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Speaker 5: that I have to do whenever we do a classic episode.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to pick up benefollow you, Jimmy, so

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, So he's not going to pick up.

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Speaker 5: Whenever we do an exemplary classic episode of Quest Love Supreme,

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Speaker 5: I have to let Jimmy Jam know that he's going

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Speaker 5: down a rink.

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Speaker 1: Hours.

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Speaker 5: We did that with Jimmy Jam was a six, It

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Speaker 5: was supposed to be ninety minutes. It wanted to be six,

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Speaker 5: three episodes, Jimmy, but then the Family Stand came in

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Speaker 5: and did the most unexpected episode of all time. This

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Speaker 5: this to me, I'm willing to say, this is probably

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Speaker 5: the episode I needed, we all need.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Jam is down on third place. Sorry sorry. Control

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Speaker 1: is still a great album. Yes, exactly. The man hold

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Speaker 1: on one my favorite seat. I have to do this for.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, we.

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Speaker 11: Left you alone, think you was gonna leave that drinking

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Speaker 11: and drugs ship before we left you long, thinking you

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Speaker 11: was gonna come down like Harry Lennox like.

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Speaker 7: I love that scene, Hawthorn, God, just the actors, man,

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Speaker 7: oh my god, Big Red.

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Speaker 6: Like I saw him doing Shakespeare at thespeare.

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Speaker 4: I can see that.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he was doing Macbeth and he was I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, and I was like, this guy could be

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Speaker 6: a bad guy, really good.

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Speaker 7: You know, I mean he's he's a brilliant Now your

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Speaker 7: eye for talent man, like seriously, like we now we

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Speaker 7: salute you, bro.

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Speaker 1: Unpaid Bill, you missed a masterpiece of that list. I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to glue.

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Speaker 2: Are you still in contact with a marine because we're

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Speaker 2: looking for her to give her some flowers too.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I haven't talked to her, but I can get you know,

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Speaker 6: because she did. We just they just released Hollywood Shuffle

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Speaker 6: on the Criterion Collection.

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Speaker 1: Yes they did.

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Speaker 3: They did.

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Speaker 6: With Anne Marie. So I can reach out. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I can get the I can get you her number.

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Speaker 5: Well on be having a Fanteglo sugar Steve Layah and

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Speaker 5: I'm paid Bill, Bruh. I'm sorry Robert that one episode

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Speaker 5: of matt Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We'll see you on the scow

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Speaker 1: around who quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 9: Thank you guys, thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 9: This podcast is hosted by a Mere quest Love Thompson

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Speaker 9: Las Saint Clair Fonte, Coleman, Sugar, Steve Mandela, and myself

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Speaker 9: unpaid Phil Scherman.

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Speaker 1: The executive producers.

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Speaker 9: Are mere just walked into the goddamn room, Thompsin, Sean

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Speaker 9: g and Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin, Jake Paine

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Speaker 9: and Liah Sinclair. Edited by Alex Conroy, I Know Alex Collin.

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Speaker 9: Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown Mike Johnson. Auto engineering

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Speaker 9: by Graham Gibson at Iheart's l A Studio. Thank You

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Speaker 9: very Much.

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Speaker 1: Must Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.