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Speaker 1: Highly educated prosecutors to the most famous cold case mysteries

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Speaker 1: of all time. Murder, mayhem, disappearances, you name it. If

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Speaker 1: it's true crime, they're on it. In today's episode, Alice

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Speaker 1: and Brett condense a six episode series into one concise

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Speaker 1: hour of all the evidence they believe points to why

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson is guilty in the murder of wife Lacy

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Speaker 1: and unborn son Connor. The Prosecutors.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brett and I'm Alice.

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Speaker 3: And we are the Prosecutors today on The Prosecutors, Scott

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Speaker 3: Peterson is guilty. Hello everybody, and welcome to this episode

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Speaker 3: of The Prosecutors. I'm Brett and I'm joined as always

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Speaker 3: by my efficient co host Alice.

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Speaker 2: Hi Brett. Okay, guys, we're letting you in on a secret.

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Speaker 2: Brett thinks we can somehow get through today's episode in

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Speaker 2: one episode. I don't know if we can. I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna lie because we are not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: We have not been known not to be long winded.

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Speaker 3: The whole point of this is to do this in

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Speaker 3: one of them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, find no, Okay, you know what you're right. Let's

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Speaker 2: be efficient. We can do this. Challenge accepted challenge accepted.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what we're doing today, As you guys know,

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Speaker 3: typically we go into cases we try to keep an

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Speaker 3: open mind. We have done Scott Peterson. We did I

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Speaker 3: think six episodes on Scott Peterson, maybe seven, who knows.

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Speaker 3: It was a ton and a lot of you guys

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Speaker 3: have been very complimentary about those episodes. But Scott Peterson's

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Speaker 3: been in the news lately. In December, we're going to

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Speaker 3: find out whether he gets a new trial. People always

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Speaker 3: ask us why we think he's guilty to sum up

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Speaker 3: sort of the entirety of what we did before. So

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Speaker 3: what we have decided to do is to cut out

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Speaker 3: all the fluff and reduce this down to just the

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Speaker 3: evidence that Scott Peterson is guilty. If you want to

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Speaker 3: hear the full thing, go listen to all six episodes,

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Speaker 3: where we will include the defense's arguments and various other things.

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Speaker 3: This is why Scott Peterson is guilty, and we have

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Speaker 3: to give it our best shot.

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Speaker 2: And guys, note what we just said, we kept an

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Speaker 2: open mind in all our previous episodes of Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 2: What we're attempting to do here is like how we

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Speaker 2: would write a brief where you have an advocacy point

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Speaker 2: that you're taking, and our advocacy point here is that

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Speaker 2: he's guilty. So those of you listening for the first

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Speaker 2: time don't say they're so biased. We've already done the

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Speaker 2: whole considering all sides of the issue. This is written

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Speaker 2: like a law brief where you are an advocate for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So if anybody ever tells you there's no evidence

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Speaker 3: that Scott Peterson's guilty, you can just direct them to

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Speaker 3: this episode because frankly, not even all the evidence is

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Speaker 3: in one episode. So I think that's enough introduction. I

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Speaker 3: we're going to do this God's feed out. I was

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Speaker 2: I don't know which of us is going to be

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Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna We're gonna do our best. Okay, let's

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Speaker 3: start with the timeline. November twentieth, two thousand to Modesto,

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Speaker 2: On December eighth, two thousand and two, an Internet search

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Speaker 2: That same day, Peterson paid fourteen hundred dollars cash for

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Speaker 3: December fifteenth, two thousand and two, Peterson tells Amber he

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Speaker 2: in summary, in that one day, Scott tells some people

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the boat that he took out that day.

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Speaker 2: The boat was a fourteen foot aluminum fishing boat. That's

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about Scott as a fisherman. Conventional wisdom

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Speaker 3: And yet on the day that he supposedly went fishing,

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Speaker 3: taking the boat out to do some sturgeon fishing. The

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Speaker 3: The bay, however, was the closest saltwater fishery to Scott,

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Speaker 3: it's not the only strange thing that Scott did. On

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Speaker 2: Now let's talk about whether Scott was considering running or

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Amber Fry some more so. After Amber

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Speaker 3: They talked dozens and dozens of times, twenty nine recorded

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Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about Scott's trips to the marina. Police

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Speaker 2: And the police also utilized a cadaver dog, and this

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about the anchors. Scott bought his boat

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Speaker 3: prosecution was ready for this and had an expert in

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00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: concrete who testified that the concrete near the driveway was

434
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: not consistent with the concrete used to make the anchor. Rather,

435
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: it was similar to cement used by Scott to put

436
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: in a fence post near where the concrete was found,

437
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: indicating that if Scott used additional concrete on the driveway,

438
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: it was from the fence post concrete, not the anchor concrete.

439
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: When Scott was eventually arrested, the police found four cell phones,

440
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: his brother's ID, camping gear, and fifteen thousand dollars cash

441
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: in his car. Scott had dyed his hair blonde and

442
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: grown beard which he also died blonde, and he was

443
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: hanging out in San Diego, which in fairness was his

444
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: home but also was close to the border. Let's talk

445
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: about Lacey's clothes. Scott told police that Lacey was wearing

446
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: a white blouse and black pants on the day that

447
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 3: she disappeared, December twenty fourth, but when Lacey's body was found,

448
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: she was wearing tan pants, which is what she had

449
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: been wearing on the twenty third, as well as a

450
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: maternity bra. The prosecution and defense disputed whether these were

451
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: these same tan pants that she'd been wearing, and it

452
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: has often stated that Amy Rocca, Lacey's sister, positively identified

453
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: pants at the house as the ones Lacey was wearing, however,

454
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: on the stand, despite many attempts by Mark Garrigos, who

455
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: was Scott Peterson's lawyer, to get Amy to confirm this,

456
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: she refused to do so. And although the top Lacey

457
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: was wearing on the twenty third was found at the house,

458
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: she had a number of different pairs of tan pants,

459
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: and it is certainly possible that the tan pants she

460
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: was found in were the tan pants she was wearing

461
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: on the twenty third. But what's very important here is

462
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: whatever happened to the tan pants. The pants Lacey was

463
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: wearing weren't black, and this becomes very important. Let's talk

464
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: about people who claim to have seen Lacey. A number

465
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: of people claim to have seen Lacey walking her dog.

466
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: For instance, Vivian and Bill Mitchell said that they saw

467
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: a woman matching Lacey's description walking the dog that morning.

468
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: Homer and Sue Maldonado said that around ten am they

469
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 3: went out driving to deliver Christmas presents and saw a

470
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: very pregnant lady struggling with a dog. Tawny Fridas says

471
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: he also saw a pregnant woman walking a dog that morning.

472
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: Frank Aguilar and his wife also saw a pregnant woman

473
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: with her dog. Diane Campos was having a cigarette behind

474
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: the local Hot Spittle. She looked across a creek into

475
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: a park and saw a pregnant woman walking a dog.

476
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: She saw two men following this woman. The dog was barking,

477
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: and the two men said, shut that effing dog up.

478
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: Then there's Tom Harshman, who said he saw a woman

479
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: in a red shirt and black pants, fitting Lacy's description,

480
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: being forced into a van sometime in the afternoon, a

481
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: couple miles away from the home. He said that she

482
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: had been squatting and urinating on the side of the road.

483
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: By the end of this around eleven people say they

484
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: saw a woman who might be Lacey walking the dog.

485
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: Nearly all of them described the person they saw as

486
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: wearing a white blouse and black pants, just as Scott

487
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: had said, and just as the missing person's posters described.

488
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: That was all well and good until six months later,

489
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: when Lacey's body was found and she wasn't wearing black pants.

490
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: She was wearing tan pants. Moreover, even though there was

491
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: testimony that Lacy enjoyed getting out and being active, the

492
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: prosecution put on a number of witnesses that testified that

493
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: Lacey was having extreme difficulty even walking by the end

494
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: of her pregnancy, and the doctor had told her to

495
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: take it easy after she complained of dizziness and exhaustion.

496
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: They also testified, given this, it is simply not believable

497
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: that she would have taken the dog on some sort

498
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: of long, strenuous walk through the park, and that's not

499
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: just anecdotal. In fact, at the end of October, two

500
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: months before Lacey disappeared, Lacey had walked to the park

501
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: and gotten very sick, to the point that she was

502
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: vomiting and almost passed out. Her mother testified that she

503
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: was extremely embarrassed because some maintenance men saw her and

504
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: had to help her and had to end up cleaning

505
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: up her vomit. After her Lacey talked to her doctor

506
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: about this event, and the doctor told her that she

507
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: should either stop walking altogether or do it much later

508
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: in the day after she'd had an opportunity to get hydrated.

509
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: In another instance, Lacey's prenatal yoga instructor testified that on

510
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: December twentieth, Lacey was in so much pain that she

511
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: could barely walk and that she needed help to get

512
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: to her car. Furthermore, the shoes Lacey typically used to

513
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: go on walks were found in the house. Finally, the

514
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: police did not ignore these sightings. They searched the park,

515
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: including with canine teams, and found no trace of Lacey.

516
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: They also interviewed folks in a homeless camp near the park.

517
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: None of them had seen Lacey.

518
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: And the defense didn't call any of the witnesses you

519
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: always hear about. The defense never called a witness who

520
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: supposedly saw into Scott's boat and said it was empty.

521
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: The defense also never called witnesses who claimed to have

522
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: seen Lacey that day, either walking the dog or being

523
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: forced into the van. Moreover, there was another witness who

524
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: saw a pregnant woman walking a dog that day, called

525
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: it into the police, and then, when he was shown

526
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: a picture of Lacey, said that he was certain the

527
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: person he saw was not Lacey. Christopher Van Sant testified

528
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: that he saw pregnant woman walking her dog near the

529
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: footbridge at Dry Creek Regional Park, near the scene at hospital.

530
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: This sighting is consistent with many of the other sightings

531
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: offered by those who believe Scott is innocent, but Sant

532
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: testified that he is quote one hundred percent positive that

533
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: the woman was not Lacy Peterson. Following this testimony, the

534
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: prosecution called four different people, the husband of a pregnant

535
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: woman and three pregnant women, who testified that they had

536
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: walked the neighborhood either on that day or around it.

537
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: One walked a chocolate lab, one a lab mix, one

538
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: an Australian shepherd, and another one didn't even have a dog.

539
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: In other words, a lot of pregnant women were walking

540
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: dogs in the days surrounding Lacey's disappearance in the area.

541
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: To continue to hammer pome that point, the prosecution called

542
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 2: a parade of people who were walking in the park

543
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: that day, who were walking any number of Golden Retrievers

544
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: that day, or who were just in the neighborhood that day,

545
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: none of whom saw anything unusual, and any of whom

546
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: might have been mistaken by someone for Lacey.

547
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: So when the bodies were found, Lacey's body was in

548
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: pretty bad shape, with barnacles growing on her bones. The

549
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: forensic anthropologist Alison Galloway testified that her level of decomposition

550
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: was consistent with being in the San Francisco Bay for

551
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: three to six months. Connor was less decomposed. The difference

552
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: in decomposition has led but some to speculate that Connor

553
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: was born somewhere else and then the bodies were dumped separately.

554
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: This of course would have meant that Scott is innocent,

555
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: but the autopsy does not support that argument. There was

556
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 3: no vaginal birth. The autopsy confirmed that Lacy's birth canal

557
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: remained closed. In fact, there also wasn't something called coffin

558
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: birth in this case, which is what happens when a

559
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: baby is expelled from a decomposing body. Moreover, there was

560
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: no evidence of a sea section. Although Lacey's entire body

561
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: was not recovered, the trunk of her body was, and

562
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: had there been a sea section, there would have been

563
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: evidence of it. What actually happened is that at some

564
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 3: point during decomposition, the body was expelled from the top

565
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: of the uterus and out of the body. Some have

566
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: suggested that if Connor remained inside Lacey's body for some

567
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: time after death, it should show tailtale signs of degeneration,

568
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: often seen in babies that are miscarried, and in fact,

569
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: Connor's body did show those signs. The process is called maceration.

570
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: The pathologists testified. We'll even use the term maceration in

571
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: a hospital pathology where we're looking at the still birth

572
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: in a baby that's died in the uterus and then

573
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: perhaps is delivered a day or two or three or

574
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: more later, will undergo the same type of changes, not

575
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: to the degree that we see in Connor, but maceration

576
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 3: type changes anyway, in a fresh or stilborn those will

577
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: often involve skin changes overriding the school plates and to

578
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: a certain degree, lucuefication of the organs. So we'll see

579
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: that in a hospital setting two, and that's where the

580
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: term maceration would be used. Although Connor suffered from this

581
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: kind of effect, and did so far worse than your

582
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: average still birth, he was still protected from the worst

583
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: of the elements in the bay, including predators. Thus, because

584
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: it took a while for the baby to be expelled,

585
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: Connor's body was protected from degradation to an extent greater

586
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: than Lacy. In fact, doctor Galley would testify that Connor's

587
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: body had been exposed in the bay for no more

588
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 3: than one to two days at the most. A quarter

589
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: inch of Connor's umbilical cord was still attached, and it

590
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: was torn, not cut. There's no evidence that the umbellical

591
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: cord was knotted or clamped, which, if Connor had been

592
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: born alive, would lead to the baby bleeding to death.

593
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: Some people pointed to some trash or twine that was

594
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 3: wrapped around his throat as a possible means of killing him,

595
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: but there was no damage from the twine, and it

596
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: had about an inch of slack. It wasn't tight around

597
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: his neck. Moreover, leaving the twine would be a pretty

598
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: stupid thing to do if that's how you killed Connor.

599
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: But you're going to dump him in the bay to

600
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: try and frame Scott Peterson.

601
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: And let's tell we've talked a lot about Connor, but

602
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: let's talk about the age of the baby. Now. Lacey

603
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: was due on February tenth, two thousand three. She disappeared

604
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: and likely died on December twenty third, about seven weeks

605
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: from the due date. So one would expect then that

606
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: the baby was probably between thirty one and thirty five

607
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: weeks gestational age when he died, given that due dates

608
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: are not an exact science. According to the pathologists, the

609
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: gestational age of Connor was between thirty three and thirty

610
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: eight weeks. On cross examination, the defense attempted to push

611
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: this number higher to thirty five weeks, to further the

612
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: defense's theory that Lacey was kidnapped and held somewhere for

613
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: some period of time alive, and therefore Connor was alive

614
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: as well. The pathologists did not bend on this, repeatedly

615
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: explaining to the defense attorney that given the science and

616
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: the varying development of unborn children, thirty three to thirty

617
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: eight was the best range. Another petthidlogist, doctor DeVore, determined

618
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: that Connor died between the twenty first and the twenty

619
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: fourth of December, which is a much more precise date.

620
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: The defense called an expert who testified that the earliest

621
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Connor could have died was December twenty ninth. Just on

622
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: the face of things, this testimony seems far fetched that

623
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: the doctor could say with certainty that a body in

624
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: the water for four months died without question no earlier

625
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: than December twenty ninth does not seem medically feasible. Cross

626
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: examination bore out this point. The prosecution was able to

627
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: unnerve the doctor, who admitted that his entire calculation was

628
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: based on the assumption that Lacy found out she was

629
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: pregnant on June ninth and immediately told her friends, a

630
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: fact that was actually disputed by those who knew her.

631
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: If she found out before June ninth and only told

632
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: her friends, then his whole theory fell a part. Given

633
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: that we are talking a matter of days here, the

634
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: notion that the doctor who was not a forensic pathologist

635
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: could determine with such certainty that Connor could not have

636
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: died a mere five days before his earliest estimate just

637
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: falls flat. And let's talk about where the bodies were found.

638
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: As the prosecution repeatedly stated, the bodies of Connor and

639
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: Lacy were found exactly where Scott was supposedly fishing. As

640
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, the prosecution put on evidence that,

641
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: given where the bodies ended up and the currents in

642
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: the area, the probable dumping spot for the bodies was

643
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: just off Brooks Island.

644
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of evidence there about what happened.

645
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: And as we've said before, this is a circumstantial case.

646
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: There's not going to be an eyewitness, there's not going

647
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: to be a slam dung. Once you have are a

648
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: bunch of different bricks that you are building a case with.

649
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: But the most significant point is the one that Alice

650
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: just made where the bodies were found. The bodies were

651
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: found in the place that Scott Peterson had gone fishing

652
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: that day. Now, people who don't think it was Scott

653
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: suggests that someone else kidnapped Lacey. Maybe it was the burglars,

654
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a satanic cult of pregnant women snatchers,

655
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: Maybe it was someone looking to harvest organs. The theory

656
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 3: goes that Lacey was kidnapped, kept somewhere until Connor was born,

657
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: then both were murdered. At this point, the police had

658
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: announced that they were looking in Berkeley Marina because that

659
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: was the place Scott had been. Knowing that the police

660
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: were looking there, the kidnappers hatch a daring plot to

661
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: dump the bodies in exactly the same place Scott had

662
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: been fishing the day of the disappearance. And this is

663
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: a point that people grasp onto because you have to

664
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: this isn't a coincidence. It's not a coincidence that the

665
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: bodies were found an hour and a half away. One

666
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: of two things is true. Either Scott dumped them there,

667
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: or someone looking to frame Scott dump them there. And

668
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: oftentimes people will just say, well, the police said it

669
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: was Berkeley Marinas, a somebody probably just dumped them there,

670
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: and people just go with that, and they don't stop

671
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: to examine what would have to be true for that

672
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: to be true. And here's the thing that didn't happen.

673
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: No one kept Lacy alive for four months and then

674
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: dumped her body in the bay. First, there's no evidence

675
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: for it whatsoever. There are no credible sidings of Lacey

676
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: on December twenty fourth. None of the sidings of a

677
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: pregnant woman that day matched Lacy, nor are they consistent

678
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: with the physical limitations Lacey was having. Eyewitness accounts are

679
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: notoriously unreliable, and they are the first thing that innocence

680
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: advocates attack when attempting to overturn a conviction that is

681
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: actually faulty. To rely on them here, given all we know,

682
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: is questionable at best. But there's more. As to the burglars,

683
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: they could not have shown up until after the dog

684
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: was found wandering with her leash, meaning that the theory

685
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: that Lacey confronted them after her walk with the dog

686
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: is impossible. Moreover, there is no evidence Lacey was kidnapped.

687
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: There are no signs of struggle. No one saw Lacey

688
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: being kidnapped. One of The chief arguments against Scott being

689
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: responsible for Lacey's murder is that he would have had

690
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: to have gotten her body into his truck with no

691
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: one noticing. But what's more likely that Scott could kill

692
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: Lacey in the privacy of his home and maneuver her

693
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: into the truck, which he also happens to be loading

694
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: with large umbrellas that would conceal her. Or that a

695
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: gang of organ harvesters, burglars or Satanists snatched Lacey in

696
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: broad daylight while she was walking her dog doesn't end there.

697
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: You'd have to believe that no one has ever come

698
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: forward stating that they saw a captive, pregnant lady in

699
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: the months she would have been held. No one has

700
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: ever flipped on the kidnappers. There is not a hint

701
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: of anything like this happening, and its smacks of conspiracy.

702
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: And still that's not the end of the problems with

703
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: this theory. The theory that someone would frame Scott by

704
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: dumping the bodies falls apart upon even the barest scrutiny.

705
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: It is one thing to dump a body on a cold,

706
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: rainy Christmas Eve when no one is out. It is

707
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 3: another thing altogether to dump a body in a bay

708
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: that is being constantly searched by police and is the

709
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: center of media and public attention, and even Scott Peterson

710
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: is there watching the bay at various times. Moreover, for

711
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: this planned work, the kidnappers would need to dump the

712
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: bodies in such a way that they would decompose sufficiently

713
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: to not give the game away. If the bodies were

714
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: found too soon, then it would be evident that they

715
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: had been killed. Much later, the means of death would

716
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: be easily determinable, and they would need to do so

717
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: by dumping the bodies in the one area that would

718
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 3: be consistent with Scott's guilt. Dump them in an area

719
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: that was too deep and the bodies would be swept away.

720
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: Dump them in an area that's too shallow, and they

721
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: might be found by the constant searches by the police,

722
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: leaving you open to forensic evidence that would convict you.

723
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: Dump them in an area other than Brooks Island, and

724
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: the tides would have taken them somewhere else, somewhere that

725
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: an expert could trace back to a place that Scott

726
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: could argue he'd never been during his very short trip out.

727
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: The kidnappers would be taking enormous risks, all in the

728
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: hopes that enough time would pass before the bodies washed up,

729
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: if they ever washed up at all, to convince the

730
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: police that Lacy and Connor had been killed months before,

731
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: just around the time that Scott was at the marina.

732
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: And yet with all the focus and attention on Scott

733
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: and none on them, much simpler to bury the bodies

734
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: in the desert and never worry about it again. But somehow,

735
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: according to this theory, the kidnappers pulled all this off

736
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: without anyone seeing them or suspecting any different, fooling the

737
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: state's forensic pathologist, and having gotten away with this plot

738
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: to this day with a single person involved ever saying

739
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: a word. That is what you must believe in order

740
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: to believe Scott is innocent. Put aside the sidings of Lacy,

741
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: the condition of her body, whatever else it is. It

742
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: makes you think Scott is innocent. Unless you can show

743
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: that a gang of criminals managed to pull all that

744
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: we described off, Scott is guilty. That is the conspiracy

745
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: that has to be true for someone else to be involved.

746
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: Or maybe instead a man who routinely cheated on his

747
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: wife was finally facing up to the enormity of having

748
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: a child and being forced to be forever tied down,

749
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: and he decided the easiest thing was just to take

750
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: care of both problems once and for all.

751
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: And that, folks, is how you do a closing argument.

752
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Boom.

753
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: I can't believe we got through that. It was so hard.

754
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: That was dedication.

755
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: It was really hard not to talk about our feelings.

756
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: I know, and put myself in other people's shoes. Do

757
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: you do all the things that irritate people?

758
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: But you know, look, okay, so there you go. Guys.

759
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: You have all the evidence right there if you want

760
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: to hear the reasoning behind all that and listen to

761
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: the multi part episodes that we have. But we've tried

762
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: to compile all the evidence here for you.

763
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just want people to be armed,

764
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: because look, there's a fifty to fifty chance Scott's going

765
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: to get a new trial. We're going to cover that

766
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: on legal briefs. I don't want to do that tonight,

767
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: but we'll cover everything that's going on with jury, ms

768
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: conduct or whatnot. If it gets a new trial, we're

769
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 3: gonna have to go through this circus all again. Let's

770
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: hope that doesn't happen.

771
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: For the sake of Lacy and her family. I hope

772
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: that is not the case, because we've said this time

773
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: and again, this is circumstantial. That does not affect the

774
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: weight of the evidence. Circumstantial evidence is just as weighty

775
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 2: as direct evidence. We do not have anyone who saw

776
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: him dump Lacy overboard that we know to be true,

777
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: and most cases like this you don't have that because

778
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: if you did, there probably wouldn't be a trial and

779
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have taken long to figure out who it was.

780
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: But this is circumstantial, and that is fine with respect

781
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: to the weight of the evidence. And there is so

782
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: much circumstantial evidence in this case. Take away the word

783
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: circumstantial if that SIT's funny with you, because you've been

784
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: told before that circumstantial evidence is not as good it is.

785
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: It is just as good. There is so much evidence

786
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: in this case. We spoke at lightning speed, taking out

787
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: all our opinions and all explanation to fit it into

788
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: one hour, which is so much evidence. And that's why

789
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: the tri I'll spend for so long. And that's why

790
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: our previous episodes explaining this case was also a multi part.

791
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: And I just want to say now that we've finished,

792
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: and we've got time and we can like extemporize. You know,

793
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: I understand the desire not to look at Scott's behavior

794
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: because it's almost like you don't want to prejudice yourself.

795
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 3: I understand that we have rules in the law about evidence,

796
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: about what you can admit to keep people from being prejudiced,

797
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: to keep people focused on the actual evidence. So I

798
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: totally get that. But the simple fact of the matter,

799
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: if you look at most family annihilators, a lot of

800
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: them are having affairs, a lot of them are in

801
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 3: very similar places to Scott. I mean, if you look

802
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: at Chris Wats, Chris Watts and Scott Peterson are almost

803
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: the same person. Chris Wats did almost the exact same thing.

804
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: He strangles his wife, probably he loads their body into

805
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: the back of his truck. It's just instead of it

806
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: being two thousand and two, was much later, and his

807
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: next door neighbor had a ring camera, and so you

808
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: may basically caught him doing this on camera. And if

809
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 3: you've seen the documentary, you see you see the way

810
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 3: Chris Watts is reacting. And the thing is with Chris Watts,

811
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: nobody says, well, how he's acting is completely relevant no,

812
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: you do the much more human thing if you watch

813
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: him and you're like, that is not how somebody acts

814
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: when their love of their life is missing. He clearly

815
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: is guilty, and sure enough he was Scott Peterson. People

816
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: want to hand wave it away. They want to say, oh,

817
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't matter he was having an affair,

818
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: and it doesn't matter that he was a terrible person.

819
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how he acted after she went missing.

820
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that he got all the porn channels.

821
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: But it does. That speaks to the circumstances surrounding the case. Now,

822
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: is it the strongest evidence against him. No, the strongest

823
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: evidence against him is that his wife's body showed up

824
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 3: an hour and a half away from her house where

825
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: he just so happened to have been fishing on the

826
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 3: day she went missing. Come on, people like, it doesn't

827
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: take a rocket sigence on the day he.

828
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: Went fishing, when he had the night before said he

829
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: was going to go golfing and this was supposed to

830
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: be a sponge taneous trip to fishing, when he had

831
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: bought the license for that specific day many days previously,

832
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: and then later that day at a vigil, told some

833
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: people he went fishing, told some people he went golfing,

834
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: and know.

835
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: By the way, before he even bought those licenses, he

836
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: was looking at the currents at that very place that

837
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: he ended up on the day she disappeared. And I'm sorry,

838
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: and I just go back to what we said earlier.

839
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: The problem for Scott Peterson defenders in this case, I

840
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: don't want to hear about who saw her walking the dog. Okay,

841
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: we've explained why that's not relevant.

842
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: Well, let's just summarize it for maybe people who didn't

843
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: quite see all the different parts. Basically, there is absolutely

844
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 2: no evidence that anyone saw Lacey walking a dog. There's

845
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: evidence that people saw someone who looked pregnant walking a dog,

846
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: but that person or those people were not wearing what

847
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: Lacy was wearing when she was found.

848
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: And that's huge, It's absolutely huge. And most of these

849
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: people didn't know her. You know, some people believe, well,

850
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: there was one person who did well, they went to

851
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: the same doctor. That's how they knew her. That they

852
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: weren't like best friends. Also, once again, you can point

853
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: to this stuff all day long, but what you have

854
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: to do you have to show that someone dumped those

855
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 3: bodies in that marina to frame Scott, and that is

856
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: just absurd. It is absurd to believe that Lacy was

857
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: kept alive. She obviously wasn't. I mean, there are barnacles

858
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: on her bones, for goodness sake. She had been in

859
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: that marina for a very long time, and Connor had

860
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: been inside of her most of the time. And we

861
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: know that because of what they the condition of his body,

862
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: and people say, well, but he was so well protected. No, no, look,

863
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: he was more protected than Lacey, whose body was in

864
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: terrible shape, who had been ravaged by the elements and

865
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: animals and everything else. The pathologist even testified that really,

866
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: one more day in Connor's body probably would have been

867
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 3: never found. The predators would have taken care of it.

868
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 3: He was in the water for a couple of days

869
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: at most. His body was not in good shape. It

870
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: was in really bad shape. It's one of the reasons

871
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 3: that figuring out exactly how old he was is hard

872
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: because one of the things you do as you look

873
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: at bones and a lot of his body he had

874
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: kind of liquefied by this point. It was just really hard.

875
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, we've talked about how

876
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: this is a circumstantial case. What Brett just said there

877
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: is so important. A day longer and Connor may never

878
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: have been found, and Lacy maybe would have been found

879
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: much much later, even more decomposed, and we would not

880
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 2: have been able to know as much as we already

881
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: do about the gestational age about lack of a coffin

882
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: birth or c section. So the fact that this is

883
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: a circumstantial case is actually it's more than a circumstantial case.

884
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: The fact that Connor and Lacey were found in conditions

885
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: that could even be examined by a pathologist strengthens this

886
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: case so immensely. It was terrible luck for Scott Peterson

887
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: that Connor's body was found, because we know so much

888
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: more about the time frame and also when gestationally he

889
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: was when he passed away, because his mother passed away.

890
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 2: And so just know that the facts in this case

891
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: really are so incredibly strong. This case could have been

892
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: tried without their bodies. It absolutely could have the fact

893
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: that their bodies were found and they were able to

894
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: try the case with the pathology information from their bodies,

895
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: it's overwhelming how strong this case is.

896
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: And that's why Scott's out there staring out over the

897
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: bay because he knows his entire future depends on those

898
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: bodies not being found. You know, he'd weigh them down.

899
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: He hoped they would never be found. But you had

900
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: that storm the day before they were found, and that

901
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: that's when it happened. That's when the body separated from

902
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: the weights. It's when the body of Connor was expelled

903
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: from his mother. And then the bodies turned up two

904
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: days later, and once again Scott Peterson most unlucky man

905
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: in the world. Basically, if he had put the bodies

906
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: anywhere else in the bay, the tidal action would have

907
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: carried them out to sea. But because he put them

908
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: where he did, in a shallower area, that's why the

909
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: bodies watched up where they did.

910
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: And by the way, he may have done that because

911
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: he had remember kind of a terrible boat. He had

912
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: a Class A boat. This was not a good boat

913
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: to have in a very windy, very tumultuous bay. The

914
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay is not easy sailing at all. So

915
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: he had a small boat. He couldn't actually venture much

916
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: further out. And you know why he had a smaller

917
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 2: boat that he just bought, because he really only had

918
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: one purpose for this boat. This was not so that

919
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: he could regularly go out into the San Francisco Bay

920
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: and fish with his by the way ill equipped anchor

921
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: and fishing gear. So the reason this is a bad

922
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: boat is that he only needed a good enough boat

923
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: to accomplish this task, not to fuel him his hobby

924
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 2: in the San Francisco Bay.

925
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 3: Well, we could ran about this for another five episodes,

926
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: as we've done in the past.

927
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: We won't. We'll stop here. We won't.

928
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: We'll stop here. And look, if you think Scott Peterson's innocent,

929
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: I would love to hear it. I would love to

930
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 3: hear your argument for how he's innocent. I would love

931
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: to hear argument for the whole how the whole conspiracy

932
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: to dump the body thing went down and nobody noticed,

933
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: how the inept burglars who got arrested ten days after

934
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: the burglary, nevertheless somehow managed to keep Lacey's body for

935
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: another three months until they dumped the body somewhere. I mean,

936
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: I would just I would love to hear it. And

937
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 3: maybe that's what you think happened. And I'll just say

938
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: true crime. The great thing about true crime is, at

939
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it really just comes down

940
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: to evidence. In facts. It doesn't matter what you think

941
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: of us. It doesn't matter what you think of Scott Peterson.

942
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: Either either the fact show he did it or they don't.

943
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: And when you look at the facts here, I just I,

944
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: like I said, when we did the first six episodes,

945
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know going in whether he was guilty or not.

946
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: I just knew that everybody said he was guilty. We

947
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: have really just skimmed the surface. Read the transcripts. We

948
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: will put links up where you can read the transcripts

949
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: of these testimonies. Read the transcripts of the pathologists. Their

950
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: testimony is absolutely damning to any theory that those bodies

951
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: weren't in that bay for multiple months, Absolutely damning. Read

952
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: the whole thing. We quoted some of it. Read the

953
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: whole thing, and I just don't think you can read

954
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: the testimony and not see the truth here. And the

955
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: problem with this case is because it is circumstantial, and

956
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 3: you every little brick being built into every little brick.

957
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: Unless you really dig down into it and really look

958
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: at the evidence, it can be easy to be misled

959
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: into believing there's no evidence. It's one reason we wanted

960
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: to do this today, kind of do the reading for you.

961
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: But nevertheless, if you got time and you're really curious,

962
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: we're gonna put the links on the website. Check it out,

963
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: but I want to hear what you think. Shoot us

964
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: an email Prosecutorspod at gmail dot com, at Prosecutor's Pod

965
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Hello to you guys watching this

966
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: on YouTube, and hello to awesome people on the Patreon

967
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: you were listening early and add free and join us

968
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: on the gallery, which is on the facebooks where we

969
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: hang out a lot. I'm sure people will be talking

970
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: about this case on there. Like I said, this case

971
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: will continue to develop. There will be follow ups on

972
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: this as the judge decides whether or not to give

973
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: him a new trial. Obviously, if a new trial is granted,

974
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: that will be appealed, and if it's not granted, it

975
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: will be appealed. So this won't end in December, but

976
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: it'll be the first step into figuring out whether or

977
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: not its Scott Peterson is actually going to get a

978
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: new trial or not. But I will say the same

979
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: thing I said at the end of our last six episodes.

980
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: If he's tried again, he will be convicted again because

981
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: the evidence against him is overwhelming.

982
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: Indeed, thank you guys for joining us. We'll see how

983
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: people like this and if we need to do this

984
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: for some of our lower series.

985
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we promise not to recycle everything. We're not

986
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: going to just do that to you. But hey, you know,

987
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: we are very long winded. So if there are cases

988
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: you'd like us to do I follow up on, we're

989
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: really kind of drill down. We can do that. Well, guys,

990
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: we will be back next week with a case that

991
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: has been one of the most recommended cases, one of

992
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: the most requested cases that we have, and I'm really

993
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: excited to dig into that. It's a case that needs

994
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 3: all the attention you can get. But until then, I'm

995
00:59:36,520 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: Brett and I'm Alice, and we are the prosecutors. So

996
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: we want to do this all in one episode. Okay, Okay,

997
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: I have tried to limit it as much as possible,

998
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: but it's still eleven page.

999
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: Peterson is guilt and we're not gonna get through this

1000
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: in one episode.

1001
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: So that's the whole point is to do it in

1002
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: one episode. Okay, We've already six episodes on it.

1003
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so no extrip, We're just going straight with the script.

1004
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: I got it.

1005
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: Basically, that's what we got.

1006
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: To do it.

1007
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: We got it.

1008
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: I love it.

1009
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: I love going straight with the script. I'm all because

1010
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna do after we're finished, I'm

1011
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: gonna go wash me a Hallmark Christmas.

1012
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 3: And it's time to see where they or out. We

1013
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: can pull this off.

1014
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: I don't think we can, but let's do it.

1015
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, are you ready?

1016
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm so ready. I've been ready for her. I've been

1017
01:01:53,880 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: podcasting for forty five minutes ago, and

1018
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: They have a less basting, less