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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Around the NFL. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansis I got heroes from across Los Angeles. Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. There it is Greggy. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: your new remote backdrop in your new home here in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The name of book with the greatest ever title?
Speaker 1: What is it? Life keeps getting better because I get
Speaker 1: better looking every day. Something something like that that sounds
Speaker 1: better than what it really And then over the left
Speaker 1: shoulder and well deserved the locks trophy sitting on top
Speaker 1: of a bunch of books. I do plan to work
Speaker 1: on this at some point this garage, but we've got
Speaker 1: we've got other issues in the house to settle. First.
Speaker 1: We got the got the tool belt, you know. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I just mean the rest of this girl. Everything is
Speaker 1: still a mess. But I'm happy to be here and
Speaker 1: be to just brag on that lock trophy for the
Speaker 1: next twelve months. I mean, Greg, you used to very
Speaker 1: prominently above your left shoulder, have beautiful images of your children.
Speaker 1: You've replaced it with a betting with a betting trophy
Speaker 1: that you won. Yeah, well that's my priorities say it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a natural progression. Yeah, there aren't so
Speaker 1: young anymore. Yeah, it's like, oh, middle kid. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, our kids have aged out of like adorable
Speaker 1: little baby darlings stage, So you know, the trophy at
Speaker 1: a certain point has to take center stage. How are you, Mark,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. You know, we're taping a little bit
Speaker 1: early today and then it triggers what is essentially like
Speaker 1: sort of a three and a half day weekend for us,
Speaker 1: barring any sort of news that should tumble down and
Speaker 1: cause massive disruption to my plans. Yes, and I don't
Speaker 1: think the NFL would ever do that to us, even
Speaker 1: though there is a ongoing record of that happening, something
Speaker 1: happening immediately after you finished taping that. Dates are podcast
Speaker 1: ever so slightly for the past seven hundred and three weeks,
Speaker 1: including Wednesday with your boy Elijah Moore. Yes, and I
Speaker 1: just want to say we're about to hit the news.
Speaker 1: This is a trigger warning to some listeners that we're
Speaker 1: going to start the news by talking about an NFL
Speaker 1: topic that involves the Jets. And if this bothers you
Speaker 1: at all, I suggest one of two things, touch grass
Speaker 1: or kiss my ass. Oh, let's hit the news. That's
Speaker 1: at their own thirty year crouder emotion to stack behind
Speaker 1: more left back, the throws Flaco throws one up to sea.
Speaker 1: It's tut Elijah over in the open cliff side light
Speaker 1: of the forty to the thirty to the twenty ten
Speaker 1: five Parlon touchdown. Elijah Moore streaks dot the left side
Speaker 1: of the field. Joe Flaco found him in stride and
Speaker 1: the Jets are a point after away from a time Yeah,
Speaker 1: as Elijah more. And it was just yesterday when we
Speaker 1: were talking about the power rankings and I was saying,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope Elijah Moore gets another chance with
Speaker 1: the Jets, playing with a real quarterback, because I think
Speaker 1: there is obviously something there. He flashed on a very
Speaker 1: high level over you know about it. It It was only
Speaker 1: about a five or six week stretch, but his draft
Speaker 1: stock combined with that stretch before he got hurt as
Speaker 1: a rookie, was like, Okay, this guy could be a star.
Speaker 1: Things went sideways this past season for Moore, who was bended.
Speaker 1: He had an outburst with then offensive coordinator Mike Lafleura
Speaker 1: the Jets and made a trade request that I think
Speaker 1: really did ruffle feathers at Floren Park. So what happens
Speaker 1: the Jets? Right after we learned that Mikole Hardman is
Speaker 1: heading to New York on a free agent deal, they
Speaker 1: send Elijah Moore, their former second overall pick and a
Speaker 1: third round pick in twenty twenty three, to the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns in exchange for a twenty twenty three second round pick. Mark,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you on this one. For the Jets,
Speaker 1: it adds another draft picks. They're trying to get this
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers deal done. I wonder, I wonder not to
Speaker 1: jinx us as we're taping early if this is the first, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, step towards maybe a resolution there, but you know,
Speaker 1: who knows. But the Browns get a player with a
Speaker 1: lot of upside that definitely disappointed in two years with
Speaker 1: the Jets, but maybe not all of his fault. Probably
Speaker 1: not all of his fault. Yeah. I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to evaluate Jets receivers and tight ends in general with
Speaker 1: the chaos that they've faced a quarterback, I mean, from
Speaker 1: a from a Browns angle. The one thing I think
Speaker 1: about Andrew Barry, I don't I think he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to ever be outdone in a bid for a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You look at what they gave away for Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: which was atting a fifth rounder, and in this you're
Speaker 1: flipping a second for a third. It was it was
Speaker 1: good value on a player that does cost much money
Speaker 1: over the next couple of seasons and they can try
Speaker 1: to find out what they have with de Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: at the Helm versus Zach Wilson or Joe Flacco. I
Speaker 1: like it for Cleveland because wide receiver was an absolute need,
Speaker 1: and I think where they are in the draft, like
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know what's going to come your way,
Speaker 1: and so you pair him with a Marii Cooper with
Speaker 1: Donovan People's jones. They liked David Belly year ago, but
Speaker 1: he didn't really emerge as a rookie due to some
Speaker 1: injuries early and just sort of not getting his spot.
Speaker 1: So it helps a position of need for Cleveland. And
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Dan, because you know we text a
Speaker 1: little bit about it. After that, I just have to
Speaker 1: think that it's a wide receiver heavy room in New
Speaker 1: York right now. You added me called there's interest to
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and that second round pick I think might
Speaker 1: have been the final piece potentially that green Bay was saying,
Speaker 1: we need that. If you can't get that, this thing's
Speaker 1: on hold. And so if this made all that happen,
Speaker 1: then there's a greater context and reason for it, and
Speaker 1: a Jets fan can't be too unhappy about what it
Speaker 1: might lead to. A right, Jets fans, including myself, are
Speaker 1: kind of unhappy about the deal where it's right now.
Speaker 1: But what if it leads to Rogers? What if it's
Speaker 1: the only way you get Rogers? Then it always like
Speaker 1: Jets fans and so many other people like, we're already
Speaker 1: under operating under the idea that we have Rogers. Now
Speaker 1: it's a matter of Joe d the GM finding a
Speaker 1: way to get it done. And I think the disappointment
Speaker 1: here is more in the Hey, if you if he
Speaker 1: fell out of favor internally, and Greg, I'll see you
Speaker 1: up on this, so be it if you no longer
Speaker 1: thought maybe he was a good fit for the locker room,
Speaker 1: or you have a new play caller in there now
Speaker 1: and they wanted to bringing Nicole Harman. That brings something
Speaker 1: different to the room, and you're gonna add something else.
Speaker 1: That's cool, But what happens with Elijah Moore. Is it
Speaker 1: feels like God, is he gonna turn it to Chris
Speaker 1: Carter going from the Eagles to the Vikings. Probably not,
Speaker 1: But can he become a Pro Bowl like player that's
Speaker 1: ripping the league up next year with the Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: that is within the range of outcomes. Wow, if that happens,
Speaker 1: it's a total disaster. I'm just thinking, like, can he
Speaker 1: be younger Cole Beasley or something? Three point three million
Speaker 1: over the next two years. We look at all these
Speaker 1: deal in the context of their contracts and like, oh,
Speaker 1: you have to give a pick away if you have
Speaker 1: a bad contract. What an asset? This contract is two years,
Speaker 1: three point three million. And I love this deal for
Speaker 1: the Browns, And you're right. I think the Jets level
Speaker 1: of disappointment kind of depends on what happens with more
Speaker 1: and what happens with this Rogers trade. But for the
Speaker 1: Browns it's amazing. I mean, they gave up nothing to
Speaker 1: get Amari Cooper, who's a borderline one two, and they
Speaker 1: gave up basically nothing for Elijah Moore, who to me
Speaker 1: can be a great three maybe a two. And Jets
Speaker 1: family to be amazing, though Greg for it to be amazing,
Speaker 1: not to interrupt, he does have to become like a
Speaker 1: more of a high level receiver, which I think he
Speaker 1: could be if he's Cole Beasley. I mean, you did
Speaker 1: give up a separate round pick, but you didn't you
Speaker 1: gave up a pick swap. You got a very valuable
Speaker 1: pick back. All you did was trade down. And I
Speaker 1: think Andrew Berry's operating under the correct assumption that there's
Speaker 1: a very good chance. Maybe that's the wrong way to
Speaker 1: say it. There's a much higher chance than people seem
Speaker 1: to like, except on the outside, that the seventy fourth
Speaker 1: player in the draft is better than the forty second
Speaker 1: player in the draft. That seventy fourth pick is very valuable,
Speaker 1: like we saw, the Cowboys wouldn't give up anything close
Speaker 1: to that for Brandon Cooks or Stefan Gilmour. If you
Speaker 1: go look at the last two drafts, like who's seventy two,
Speaker 1: who's eighty four, for instance, and like I went and
Speaker 1: looked last year and it was I think it was
Speaker 1: Andrew Booth was for Minnesota and Desmond Ritter for the
Speaker 1: Falcons was seventy four, and then back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: forty two is Liam Eichenberg and seventy four is Benjamin
Speaker 1: Saint Jus for Washington, who's been a much better player
Speaker 1: than Eikenberg. And it's just like, these picks are kind
Speaker 1: of crapshoots, and you're still getting a pretty good one
Speaker 1: on day one, and more importantly, you're getting a guy
Speaker 1: who I think has a lot of upside. And that's
Speaker 1: why I got into such an argument on text with
Speaker 1: our friend Andrews Ciciliano, one of the most prominent Brown
Speaker 1: fans in the building. And my thing is, I just
Speaker 1: really like Eliza More. I think he can receiver. He
Speaker 1: was he was saying, look, that's a premium pick at
Speaker 1: forty two, um, and like he's excited about that pick,
Speaker 1: and um, he wasn't even that excited about getting the
Speaker 1: Elijah More and thinking like, oh, this guy might not
Speaker 1: be that excited, And I just I would I would
Speaker 1: give up us a third round pick straight up for
Speaker 1: Elijah More much less just that picks up. Well, Dan,
Speaker 1: I asked, I'd ask you a question like when you're
Speaker 1: the Jets and you ship out Elijah More to get
Speaker 1: the second, but then you offer the third, which, to
Speaker 1: Greg's point, like who that's sort of you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see how either one of those picks land up. But
Speaker 1: it's not that stark of a difference, Like it just
Speaker 1: tells me the Jets had to obtain the second rounder
Speaker 1: for something, because I don't know why you do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you move him in this deal
Speaker 1: for what you got back. There is not It doesn't
Speaker 1: scream value, and so it screams to me part A
Speaker 1: of a a B step plan here. Agree, I'm not, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm My feeling is that we're gonna see, We're gonna
Speaker 1: need to see the dusk clear on this one. But
Speaker 1: and you know, I really do think people that don't
Speaker 1: follow the team is closely there is context in terms
Speaker 1: of like where he started. When he came in, he
Speaker 1: seemed like a total steal and last year was not great.
Speaker 1: I mean he literally I think he told Lafleur, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, go after yourself in the middle of practice
Speaker 1: and then walked off, and then he demanded a trade
Speaker 1: when they're in the midst of that run where they're
Speaker 1: in a winning streak. And I really think it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where he probably soured inside that organization
Speaker 1: in terms of how they view him. I don't. I
Speaker 1: think it's a mistake. I think they should have held
Speaker 1: onto him. But sometimes like we don't, we don't know
Speaker 1: what's internally, what their conversations are about, what they think
Speaker 1: about the player beyond just his ability level. I think
Speaker 1: there's some of that. I think there's some Beckham in here,
Speaker 1: which I'm also you know, lukewarm on at best. But
Speaker 1: also I'm like like other Jets, Vancs, Jesus, take the
Speaker 1: wheel time right now, just like, let's see where everything lands,
Speaker 1: and maybe it ends in an exciteing fun place. But
Speaker 1: this is not This is a very this is a
Speaker 1: white knuckle off season for if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: that team and and you know, we should just quickly,
Speaker 1: like you know, Deshaun Watson is. It's a huge story
Speaker 1: now as he enters his first full season after all
Speaker 1: the issues issues of his own creating. Of course, um,
Speaker 1: his own creation. Uh he does now he has Cooper,
Speaker 1: he has more, um he hasn't he has Nick Chubb. Um,
Speaker 1: he is going to have an opportunity here to move
Speaker 1: the ball and score points. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: good trade for the Browns. But there's still that huge
Speaker 1: mystery around Cleveland about what Deshaun Watson shows up in August.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe maybe Elijah More's complaining in October because
Speaker 1: Watson can't move the football because he didn't, he won't
Speaker 1: be the only one complaining if if Watson's not delivering
Speaker 1: in October, right, Donovan People's Jones is a nice little
Speaker 1: receiver for them too. He's into a rotation guy in
Speaker 1: in joke is a good tight end. They have an
Speaker 1: okay um group around Watson now. And part of this
Speaker 1: is just I could be wrong about Elijah More. He's
Speaker 1: a type of receiver. I tend to like guys who
Speaker 1: can get open, who can really run routes. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if the Jets and Browns consider this, but
Speaker 1: we have a subscription to PF Ultimate, and I'm really
Speaker 1: basing most of my excitement on about forty minutes. I
Speaker 1: would say of homework, I really grinded the tape last
Speaker 1: offseason work of watching Elijah Moore's routes for about forty,
Speaker 1: you know, forty minutes. It was a lot, and I
Speaker 1: was so impressed by that forty minutes. I'm convinced he's
Speaker 1: going to be a great receiver, So they should maybe
Speaker 1: check out p one. That's a good plug. One slight
Speaker 1: pushback to that. With all of the quarterback dysfunction with
Speaker 1: the Jets, a guy like Garrett Wilson was still a monster.
Speaker 1: And Elijah Moore went five games where he had one
Speaker 1: catch and as a regular part of the offense. He
Speaker 1: really disappeared last year. That's fair, that's fair, he really disappeared.
Speaker 1: But again, great trade for Cleveland the Jets. Let's see,
Speaker 1: it's a wait and see. In other news, sad news,
Speaker 1: Foster Moreau, the tight end free agent tight end um
Speaker 1: formerly of the Raiders, and he had been taking visits
Speaker 1: and had visited with the Saints and during a physical
Speaker 1: um he learned that he is diagnosed has been diagnosed
Speaker 1: with Hodgkins lymphoma. He will be stepping away from football
Speaker 1: to fight that. That battle and obviously anything connected to
Speaker 1: the world of cancer is very um, sad and scary.
Speaker 1: In our podcast knows that all too well. All we
Speaker 1: could say is he's going to get the best treatment
Speaker 1: available and we hope for the best and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: for a speedy recovery from Foster Morrow. Yeah, that timing
Speaker 1: is brutal, but maybe it was good timing that he
Speaker 1: found out on this free agency tour. It's also something
Speaker 1: that was like a mid round pick, like he was
Speaker 1: about to get that, you know, a chance maybe to
Speaker 1: start for the first time. Very well respected with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: But yeah, every every it's gonna happen, I guess for
Speaker 1: the rest of our life. Every cancer news hits hits
Speaker 1: harder because of West, so hope, hoping the best and
Speaker 1: hope he can recover quick. I mean, he visited a
Speaker 1: couple of teams, and so it tells you that, you know,
Speaker 1: the tests they put you through medical wise are going
Speaker 1: to be different. But it's almost like, yeah, he may
Speaker 1: not play for the Saints, but how fortunate that he
Speaker 1: had that visit that it was found hopefully early, he
Speaker 1: already put out a message saying, I'm going to kick
Speaker 1: this thing's ass and get back to doing what I love,
Speaker 1: which is we know that's possible too. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just it changes everything you think about him. He
Speaker 1: was just sort of a reserved tight end in my
Speaker 1: mind before and now it's completely different. And you know,
Speaker 1: just to tag this sad story with something optimistic and hopeful,
Speaker 1: you know. John Menschi, the third a draft pick of
Speaker 1: the Texans last year, shortly after he's drafted, he was
Speaker 1: diagnosed with leukemia. Over the summer, missed all of his
Speaker 1: rookie campaign, and Nikossario, the Texans GM said earlier this
Speaker 1: year that he's had an amazing recovery and they believe
Speaker 1: he could be back for the offseason program. So let's
Speaker 1: hope it's a similar path for Foster. Moreau might play
Speaker 1: with his old teammate Bryce Young if he ends up
Speaker 1: their second they could they could reunite John Matchi and
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. There you go, speaking of Bryce Young. We're
Speaker 1: having teams meeting with the top quarterbacks in the draft.
Speaker 1: The draft is coming up, boys, The draft is about
Speaker 1: five weeks away now. The Carolina Panthers met with both c. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud and Bryce Young, a huge contingent at his pro
Speaker 1: day twelve twelve Panthers officials, including the owner, front office,
Speaker 1: members of the staff. They also, as I said, met
Speaker 1: and spoke with Bryce Young, whose pro day I believe
Speaker 1: is today. The Raiders also met with Bryce Young, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, Marky. Of course, we have the Raiders who
Speaker 1: just signed Jimmy Garoppolo, and we know where they are
Speaker 1: in the draft board relative to these QB starved QB's teams.
Speaker 1: I wonder where the Raiders are going to come down
Speaker 1: draft day at that position. Yeah, I mean I've always viewed,
Speaker 1: I think we all did. Jimmy Grass below is a
Speaker 1: you know, a stop gap, a bridge to something else.
Speaker 1: I think that if you're Josh McDaniels, you want to
Speaker 1: almost give yourself some runway to say, I've drafted this
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback and it's me. That's why you hired me
Speaker 1: to groom him, to grow him. And it's not the
Speaker 1: Jimmy G's a finish line I do. I always look
Speaker 1: at that cart where the Cardinals are sitting up there
Speaker 1: high in the draft. They've got Kyler Murray. They're a
Speaker 1: rebuilding team that is a target for someone like the
Speaker 1: Raiders or someone else to say, we're gonna hop scotch
Speaker 1: the rest of these guys get up there and get
Speaker 1: someone we like. Very early on, I am really buying
Speaker 1: the whole CJ. Stroud to Carolina thing. And I know
Speaker 1: they're like meeting with the other quarterbacks too, but it
Speaker 1: was starting at his pro day, and it's starting with
Speaker 1: like the owner going there and our old friend Josh
Speaker 1: Norris from Underdog Fantasy. We've had on this show a
Speaker 1: few times. It is part of it to me because
Speaker 1: he had Josh McCowen working for Underdog during the season
Speaker 1: before he got this job, and he did a forty
Speaker 1: minute segment on CJ. Stroud where he just gushes he
Speaker 1: he compares him to Joe Burrow, thinks he's really similar
Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow. There's this clip going around of him
Speaker 1: at the Prodi which another old friend of ours, Andrew Hawkins,
Speaker 1: pointed out. And he's friends with Josh McCown just like
Speaker 1: Josh needs to work on his poker face because in
Speaker 1: his like same goodbye to CEJ. Stroud, he like hugs
Speaker 1: him and touches him about fourteen different times, just like
Speaker 1: he loves this dude. He's talked about this dude. And weirdly,
Speaker 1: I don't know why Stroud's like upside's gotten maybe a
Speaker 1: little under sould compared to Bryce Young, But the little
Speaker 1: what I've watched, it's like it's pretty exciting, and sure
Speaker 1: a lot of people like Bryce Young better, but I
Speaker 1: c J. Stroud profiles as a guy who would go
Speaker 1: in the top two or three in most every draft,
Speaker 1: and it just seems like they are in love with
Speaker 1: this dude, and at this point, I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: he's not the guy. And of course we've been covering
Speaker 1: free agency and the fallout of that for the past
Speaker 1: week or so, but we will start pivoting back to
Speaker 1: dig it in on the draft next week. In fact,
Speaker 1: we have Daniel Jeremiah Jeremiah m Jeremy soft Jay Aramayah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd afford to learning more about him next week. Who
Speaker 1: he is, what he does, That's what's happening in the news.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and then get Andrew
Speaker 1: Marshand of The New York Post on this there show.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Our next guest is a favorite. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a dominant presence in sports media coverage right now,
Speaker 1: There's no way around it. He also is the co
Speaker 1: host of the marsh End and oh Rand sports media podcast.
Speaker 1: It's Andrew Marshand. Very nice introduction. I appreciate it. Hey, um,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you something, Andrew, and I I
Speaker 1: was listening to your show about a week or so ago,
Speaker 1: and it's a very good podcast, by the way, everybody
Speaker 1: should check it out. And I think it's getting a
Speaker 1: little juice because your partner. John says something like, oh,
Speaker 1: you made a comment, like you know, it's people are
Speaker 1: starting to give me some issues for things I say
Speaker 1: on this show. And you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're getting aggregated or it's just people in the media
Speaker 1: reaching out to you privately. And then John says, and
Speaker 1: this is a great spot for Marshan by the way,
Speaker 1: John goes, Yeah, people are coming up to me and
Speaker 1: being like, why do you let him say that? And
Speaker 1: then John's like, I can't control him, which is just
Speaker 1: like it paints Marshan in such a great spot. It's
Speaker 1: like Howard Stern and ninety one or something. It's like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: he's in his own stratosphere and he's untethered, but he's
Speaker 1: also magnetic and that I just want to say, that's
Speaker 1: that's a good sign for you and the whole team.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's very nice. That's very nice of you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean when we started the podcast, we kind of
Speaker 1: knew I was and getting myself in trouble, which I
Speaker 1: don't mind because I only say things that I know
Speaker 1: to be true and trying to be fair, so but uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there feels like it's getting weekly that we
Speaker 1: have a whole issue of some sort. But it's fine.
Speaker 1: What ye as a bad boy in NFL media, I
Speaker 1: can say it's a lot of responsibility to put on
Speaker 1: your shoulder, but I'm not trying to be fair all
Speaker 1: the time and not even accurate all the time. So
Speaker 1: you're on a different different that's self proclaimed by Greg
Speaker 1: by the way, that there's not that's not a unanimous
Speaker 1: decision that he owns that title, although you probably could
Speaker 1: have guessed. Um, let's start here because we have a
Speaker 1: few things. We ran into you at Radio Row there
Speaker 1: minutes before you did your sit down with Brian rolap Um,
Speaker 1: you know, a big, big deal dude with our company,
Speaker 1: and we said we wanted to have you on again
Speaker 1: to talk about a few things. And one thing that
Speaker 1: you reported recently that we found interesting was the Troy
Speaker 1: Aikman Monday night football situation, if you will, h they
Speaker 1: just finished their first year uh Aikman and Buck in
Speaker 1: the in the booth obviously after years of tinkering trying
Speaker 1: to find something that that worked. There was a Boogermobile
Speaker 1: involved at one point, and obviously there are big gains
Speaker 1: having two of the best in the business in the booth.
Speaker 1: And yet Andrew and you're reporting you point out that
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite a smooth ride behind the scenes, and
Speaker 1: and those, uh some changes are coming ahead of year
Speaker 1: two of Aikman a Buck on ESPN. Yeah, number one.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's you know, fair and the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. A point out the broadcast was good
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, I think everyone agreed. I don't
Speaker 1: really think I read anybody. You know, you have opinions
Speaker 1: on if you like Aikman or Chris collins Worth or whoever.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I really heard anybody say, you know,
Speaker 1: MONDAYN in football wasn't really improved and it felt bigger
Speaker 1: with bucking Aikman behind the scenes. Lessen Troy can be tough.
Speaker 1: You know, we remember him as a cowboy yelling at
Speaker 1: his offensive lineman his last you know years at Fox.
Speaker 1: There are some issues behind the scenes. He's been very
Speaker 1: public going after Fox's CEO Eric Shanks after he left,
Speaker 1: even though you know, he got an eighteen million dollars
Speaker 1: a year contract from ESPN and you know they were
Speaker 1: they were paying him thirteen million. So Troy can be difficult,
Speaker 1: you know, the way they do the games is different.
Speaker 1: They've been doing it together for two decades, and you know,
Speaker 1: they come in on the private jet, which is what
Speaker 1: all the basically the number one teams do for the
Speaker 1: most part. Burkhard and Olsen maybe not, but the others
Speaker 1: who have been doing it for a long time, uh
Speaker 1: do uh. And so something that come in day of game.
Speaker 1: So that creates a dynamic of these are the stars
Speaker 1: and the production people are the help. And so again
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing,
Speaker 1: but when there's a change, there's gonna be blamed because
Speaker 1: what happens now they've made the move with Phil deine
Speaker 1: U and Jimmy Platt. Phildine was the producer and that's
Speaker 1: where long time producer three decades been at the Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football three decades should say at ESPN all respected
Speaker 1: being the number one producer for college football and then
Speaker 1: moved over to Monday Night Football for the last four years.
Speaker 1: And so you come in. The dynamic is those two
Speaker 1: are making thirty three million dollars bucking Aikman. They're flying
Speaker 1: in and so that creates a problem. So then they
Speaker 1: make it so they knew Aikman didn't like Dean's a
Speaker 1: little laid back, which you would think he would like,
Speaker 1: but he's a little laid back him and Aikman didn't
Speaker 1: think that was great. ESPN makes the move and the
Speaker 1: impact it has, it affects everyone down the crew because
Speaker 1: now Steve accles, Derek Mobley, who is going to be
Speaker 1: the new director, accles a new producer. They're gonna bring
Speaker 1: in their own people. I mean when you mentioned that
Speaker 1: Aikman is difficult, and I get that. You know, probably
Speaker 1: from the age of fifteen on, he's been told, you're
Speaker 1: the center of our town, You're the center of UCLA,
Speaker 1: You're the center of X, Y and Z. Do you
Speaker 1: think that there's you know, is there self awareness? Because
Speaker 1: you pointed out a great example in a week one
Speaker 1: in that Broncos Seahawks game and he publicly um lash
Speaker 1: the tellis straight or operator for a mistake and it's like,
Speaker 1: that's not where we're used to back in the day
Speaker 1: and Fox and like, so that kind of stuff out
Speaker 1: obviously runs an entire cruise the wrong way. Is Achman
Speaker 1: self aware at this point after a report like this
Speaker 1: comes out and these changes, like does he change his
Speaker 1: m O or does Aichman just stay Akman no matter
Speaker 1: what and continue to be in your word. It's difficult
Speaker 1: to become public. There's a chance for someone to change
Speaker 1: a little bit and kind of understand that you know
Speaker 1: here and there's a chance for you to change. Now,
Speaker 1: Like do I know if Troykman's gonna change. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows he's gonna change for certain.
Speaker 1: But look, this is what you get into. Like, you
Speaker 1: guys are big stars. You know. I've talked to David Singer.
Speaker 1: I know you treat you know, he's your producer. You
Speaker 1: don't treat him well. You know, you guys are where
Speaker 1: the stars and Singer you know, just you do the
Speaker 1: leg work. We're gonna take all the money credit and
Speaker 1: you do all the hard Well we'll know where big
Speaker 1: stars when Marshawn starts, you know, covering our next contract.
Speaker 1: And just we treat Singer well, well, it's justin our
Speaker 1: audio producer we treat poorly. Just but but but honestly,
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, were looking on any football, Yes, as
Speaker 1: on a personal level, doesn't matter how you treat people,
Speaker 1: of course, but you go to the top of what
Speaker 1: we said. The broadcast was better so if they're showing
Speaker 1: up for some games day of game and it still
Speaker 1: sounds good, still looks good. Um, is there an issue?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, so there's Troy changed. I
Speaker 1: tend to dowdy will. I mean, it's worked out pretty
Speaker 1: well for him. Three times super Bowl champion, Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars a year contract as an analyst. So uh,
Speaker 1: in terms of those things subjective I mean, objective of facts,
Speaker 1: he's doing pretty well. So I say, probably to answer
Speaker 1: your question, I don't know what he'll do, but I
Speaker 1: doubt he'll change that much. Yeah, it's like a classic
Speaker 1: TV uh not debate, but just question like who's the
Speaker 1: boss here? Is it the is it the producer? Is
Speaker 1: the executive producer? Is it the talent? When the talent's
Speaker 1: making eighteen million dollars a year and flying on a
Speaker 1: private jet, it's not. It's like, no longer a question,
Speaker 1: don't matter what the contract. It ends. Those guys are
Speaker 1: the stars and they're gonna do it the way they
Speaker 1: want to do it. And I think the NBA, it's
Speaker 1: like who's the boss Lebron or Lebron's coach? Like you
Speaker 1: just like at the salaries. Think like for bosses I've had.
Speaker 1: You know, people always want someone like their lockstep with
Speaker 1: their bosses. And if you remember Casey Jones, the old
Speaker 1: Celtic coach, was kind of known for just throwing the
Speaker 1: ball out into the court and letting Larry Bird and
Speaker 1: Robert Powers and Kevin McHale and Dennis Johnson do their thing.
Speaker 1: I think most people you actually prefer that, like you
Speaker 1: want if you you're lockstep with every little thing, but
Speaker 1: you don't really want someone micromanaging. You want them to
Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna work hard and do your job,
Speaker 1: you want them just kind of let you do it.
Speaker 1: From your lips to God's ears, my friend. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I found one other thing about the Monday night football telecast,
Speaker 1: which I agree. I think everyone agrees it was a
Speaker 1: step up um as a football fan, because I really
Speaker 1: did enjoy the Manning cast. And for me it was
Speaker 1: a strange year because I previously when the main booth
Speaker 1: wasn't really my cup of tea, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's great to have the manecast with Aikman and Buck.
Speaker 1: I think, and this is maybe gets to a greater
Speaker 1: point when people talk about should there be this much
Speaker 1: money invested in these booths when the game is really
Speaker 1: the main attraction, and that will decide how many people
Speaker 1: to tune in. Well, I didn't really watch the Manecast
Speaker 1: this year because I enjoyed Bucking Aikman and it felt
Speaker 1: when you're listening to them and watching a game that
Speaker 1: they're covering, that it's a real deal. So it was
Speaker 1: a bit of a strange thing because I missed most
Speaker 1: of the Manecast because I was I was into the
Speaker 1: Aikman and Buck for real. Yeah, I mean, like I
Speaker 1: have two TV's in the office, so I can watch
Speaker 1: both at the same time, but like you can go
Speaker 1: back and forth which from the sound on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think there is something to that. I
Speaker 1: think where you know, the Manecast really helps is on
Speaker 1: the games that aren't as good, right, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a blowout and I had a lot. I have to say,
Speaker 1: they had a lot of bad games. You can kind
Speaker 1: of hear Fucking Aikman grumble about it a little bit,
Speaker 1: like they were maybe missing those great Sunday afternoon games.
Speaker 1: Yeah they weren't. Al talking about selling twenty year old Mazda's.
Speaker 1: But how about your conversation with Al Andrew after the
Speaker 1: Wildcard game where he you know, he took some fire
Speaker 1: on this show as well, just for low energy. I
Speaker 1: think we talked about how it just felt like he
Speaker 1: was cutting putting a tough situation energy wise with what
Speaker 1: was it? Dungee? I believe in the booth with him,
Speaker 1: we've talked about like where does Al stand now? As
Speaker 1: he you know, as he's entering the twilight of his career.
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of been a Jimmy Key ninety
Speaker 1: five ninety four where he maybe he's thrown an eighty
Speaker 1: eight that fastball now, but he can still hit the corners.
Speaker 1: Like where did you get? Where did you come down
Speaker 1: on Michael's in year seven thousand of an amazing career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like he's a legend. He might be the best play
Speaker 1: by play TV NFL guy ever, probably is. Look, I
Speaker 1: if I'm Amazon, I'm paying the guy close to a
Speaker 1: million bucks a game. I don't want him to crap
Speaker 1: on the level, right, because it did become a thing
Speaker 1: that Amazon's games stink and they're the offense. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no offense, and that's kind of tough when again,
Speaker 1: there you're the lead voice. Now his thing would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to the fans. Yeah, and he'll
Speaker 1: say he didn't do it that much. But your job's
Speaker 1: not to critique the game. It's the call of you.
Speaker 1: And to me, you could be honest with the audience.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying to be dishonest with the audience, but
Speaker 1: a couple of times, I don't know, it's a little
Speaker 1: much like to me because I think the audience that's watching,
Speaker 1: we are choosing to watch, we want to watch, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, sometimes there's bad games and you can kind
Speaker 1: of point that out. But I thought it was a
Speaker 1: little bit too much in my opinion. I want to
Speaker 1: spring off that because I wonder in reverse because when
Speaker 1: al Michaels had that performance, and you know, we the
Speaker 1: four of us, have watched al Michaels for a really
Speaker 1: long time. But if you're twenty five years old or
Speaker 1: twenty two, al you're getting the later end of al
Speaker 1: Michael's career. You're getting the later end the latter stages
Speaker 1: of Bob Costs, you're getting the very latter stages of
Speaker 1: Greg Gumbel. And these guys don't seem at times like
Speaker 1: complete lee and tune. And I think the second layer
Speaker 1: of this that is different than when you and I
Speaker 1: went to Ithaca back in the mid nineties, Is that,
Speaker 1: Well no, because it's like that, well, we went to
Speaker 1: broadcasting school because what we were watching was so different
Speaker 1: than today, and there were so many limited channels to
Speaker 1: get on the air in any way, and these guys
Speaker 1: were icons. But now on Twitter, if you're Al Michaels
Speaker 1: or you're the producers or the production company that the
Speaker 1: corporation behind this, and people are getting filaid on Twitter
Speaker 1: by actual other analysts in fans in general, and it
Speaker 1: becomes this grounds from were Suddenly Tony Romo's no longer
Speaker 1: competent in what he's doing. He's not special. Like how
Speaker 1: annoying is this to everyone else that twenty years ago
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with this layer of critique. You
Speaker 1: got guys killing people for Alan Michael's not knowing clock
Speaker 1: management in the final It's just like it's so micro
Speaker 1: and like the guy can't get out of a broadcast
Speaker 1: about getting slandered left and right, Greg, that's killing al Michaels.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yes it is, Well, it's different. I
Speaker 1: always say if Vince Scully was broadcasting baseball today, Twitter
Speaker 1: would there'd be people crushing Vince Scully goes too long,
Speaker 1: These stories are too much. He has to work alone,
Speaker 1: which you know Vince Scully did for a large party's career.
Speaker 1: And so I think when you so, everyone's gonna get
Speaker 1: it um And if I were, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: like you get to nance and romo. Like CBS has
Speaker 1: an issue, like that's a problem. That booth is not
Speaker 1: that good right now, and they have a super Bowl
Speaker 1: coming up this year. I mean, they got to find
Speaker 1: a way to improve that. M But you know, you
Speaker 1: can't just go by social media. You can't make decisions
Speaker 1: based on social media. And you're right though, I think
Speaker 1: it's a very good point you make about these guys
Speaker 1: at the latter end of their career. I think they
Speaker 1: should go as long as they want. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's anybody's playing their legacy, Like you know, Willie
Speaker 1: Mays as a met. Nobody thinks of Willie Mays as
Speaker 1: a met. Right if I said Willie Mays, that's you
Speaker 1: don't think, oh you fell in the outfield asn't met.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all too young to remember actually seeing
Speaker 1: that from like that's like the kind of one of
Speaker 1: the Sagard, you know ament as a ram like those things.
Speaker 1: I don't think those matter, but I will say with
Speaker 1: a younger you're saying like the people who don't have
Speaker 1: that history as much with these legendary announcers, when they're
Speaker 1: not as enthusiastic. And I think that was the big thing.
Speaker 1: That was an incredible comeback and Alan Tony were doing
Speaker 1: the game as if it was like a you know,
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon at one o'clock and he's just like whatever,
Speaker 1: and you could feel it, like you could feel the
Speaker 1: comeback I think as a fan, like you didn't know
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it, but you could feel it happening,
Speaker 1: and they were just late to it. You know. Dungee's
Speaker 1: low energy, and I was also, you know, he's not
Speaker 1: high energy. He needs you need that ying and yang
Speaker 1: without at this point. And he's never been a huge
Speaker 1: high energy guy. But he's a you know the economy
Speaker 1: of words as well, which is great um in large degree.
Speaker 1: But on that game, yeah, that wasn't good. But it's
Speaker 1: not great when Tony Dungee's your partner or Kirk Curve
Speaker 1: Street for that matter, who's like fine. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's picking up out because the NFL is
Speaker 1: not his number one sport, and I think that comes
Speaker 1: across a little bit too. So it's pretty him in
Speaker 1: a tough spot. I tend to think, Look, I think
Speaker 1: people would love Vince Scully because Vince Scully is great,
Speaker 1: and I think people loved Al Michaels until recently, and
Speaker 1: it's just because he's not as good anymore, and so
Speaker 1: it feels it feels fair to me. But to Mark's point,
Speaker 1: like there's like a level of scrutiny that exists now,
Speaker 1: and especially at these primetime games. It's end the advent
Speaker 1: of Twitter and social media. It's like people have to
Speaker 1: have takes and it's a part of like the I
Speaker 1: call him the booth wars, right, Andrew. So it's like,
Speaker 1: what has happened in the last few years with all
Speaker 1: this money, It's put such a spotlight on these booths
Speaker 1: in the way that it's never been on before that
Speaker 1: now it feels like it's open season for everything. These
Speaker 1: guys say it's got it's got to be pretty difficult.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is kind of a well, remember,
Speaker 1: like this is a pretty good idea. Andrew writes a
Speaker 1: book down the line called Booth Wars. I get a
Speaker 1: seven percent cut of it, and it tells like a
Speaker 1: crazy story about here is the story of when and
Speaker 1: the media world when booths turned into the most valuable
Speaker 1: entity and blah blah blah, best self pretty good? Is
Speaker 1: that going to Is this going to continue in perpetuity
Speaker 1: or do you think we'll remember this as like eventually
Speaker 1: the networks are going to kind of pull the reins
Speaker 1: back on this and or do you think guys you're
Speaker 1: just gonna keep on getting paid like superstar quarterbacks. Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think the NFL is different, right because you got
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in theory coming into the booth not next year,
Speaker 1: but the year after a thirty seven and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars, which I reported per year. So if you
Speaker 1: think about it, if Patrick Mahomes fifteen years from now,
Speaker 1: you know, or Joe Burrow, you know, goes into a booth,
Speaker 1: like what are they gonna They're not gonna They're gonna
Speaker 1: need to make a lot of money. So I don't
Speaker 1: think that's changing to get these these ex players. And
Speaker 1: I think that you know, Joe Buck is a young guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in his fifties, so he could do
Speaker 1: it for another you know, fifteen twenty years or you
Speaker 1: look at like an alb you know, they could go.
Speaker 1: Who knows how long he can go. So I don't
Speaker 1: think he's getting many pay cuts of any So I
Speaker 1: think the money is gonna be there. You know, crimea
Speaker 1: river for these guys. You know, yes they have the scrutiny,
Speaker 1: but uh, you get that direct deposit every week. It's
Speaker 1: not bad. Uh. And it's a weird job because you know,
Speaker 1: this all happened basically because ESPN was incompetent and trying
Speaker 1: to put together a booth. You know, they lost Tarrico
Speaker 1: to NBC. That kind of started everything because Tarrico's a
Speaker 1: good play by player. He's the most important person in
Speaker 1: that in any of these boots to make the analysts better.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the most important person. And so they
Speaker 1: lost Tariko. Uh, and then they had trouble. McDonald and
Speaker 1: Gruden didn't work out fully and so and then they
Speaker 1: spiraled into ridiculousness and like really some of the worst
Speaker 1: decisions in TV history with the Testatur, Booger and Witten.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just like it was hard to believe
Speaker 1: when it happened. And then like you know, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: give it a chance. And I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: isn't good. Um, and so you look at it. So
Speaker 1: they so then eventually it gets to the point where
Speaker 1: Romo is a free agent. He's the hottest thing three
Speaker 1: years out and he goes from three to four million
Speaker 1: to eighteen million a year because ESPN is breathing down
Speaker 1: uh CBS's throat and there's NFL deals on the horizon,
Speaker 1: which is the most important thing to these companies sports
Speaker 1: ry wise and maybe even overall. So CBS wants to
Speaker 1: keep Romo, so they go into negotiations with the top guy.
Speaker 1: At that point, ESPN wanted to steal them and this
Speaker 1: and this is another little point, and I won't I
Speaker 1: could go on and on about this, but before the
Speaker 1: pandemic there was a feeling I wrote something about this
Speaker 1: that ESPN and ABC and Disney was gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: go after uh CBS's Sunday package. And so the deal
Speaker 1: Romo had he is the best effort, was right before
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit. UH. Really, you know, it's like known, uh.
Speaker 1: And so he got in there right before UH. And
Speaker 1: then you go forward ESPN in the negotiations with the NFL,
Speaker 1: they we're gonna we want a couple of super Bowls.
Speaker 1: They get a couple of super Bowls. They tell the
Speaker 1: NFL we're gonna improve the booth so they're super Bowl worthy.
Speaker 1: And you know last year we had uh just total
Speaker 1: tremendous men. Am m Um, Andrew you you're an immediate insider.
Speaker 1: Of course you're one of the top ones. Um. Dan
Speaker 1: for a long time, you know, considered himself a self
Speaker 1: styled media why are you putting it in the past tense? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But he sometimes faces some competition in house. You know,
Speaker 1: I try to do some work myself. He doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: I ask around and the biggest we've just subjected Andrew
Speaker 1: to that. By the way, he's a professional. I was
Speaker 1: so looking forward to that. I thought it was good
Speaker 1: for like the morning Zoo there at some point, just
Speaker 1: to let you know, yeah and Greg from the zeus
Speaker 1: or in the morning. Just sometimes if you have to
Speaker 1: go into underground garages in a trench coat and a
Speaker 1: cigarette to ask the questions, you just might have to
Speaker 1: change your path. And it's not just text messaging. It's
Speaker 1: getting your You're rolling up the leaves and get your
Speaker 1: fingernails dirty. That's been good to the answers you're looking for. Andrew,
Speaker 1: do you see what I'm dealing with? Show a show
Speaker 1: on this vehicle that we operate here. Yeah. Look, I
Speaker 1: mean we could talk offline, but I think, like zeus
Speaker 1: in the morning, your own thing, you might want to
Speaker 1: just take off. And if you do, let me know
Speaker 1: and we'll get a big story out there. We'll break up,
Speaker 1: you know, let me hit you up after the show. Andrew,
Speaker 1: incredible as always. And yes, like I said, it's it's
Speaker 1: a really good podcast. If this stuff is as interesting
Speaker 1: to you as it is to us. Marsh end and
Speaker 1: Rand sports media podcasts, get that wherever you get your podcasts,
Speaker 1: and of course New York Post for all the latest
Speaker 1: scoopage on the game. Thank you, buddy, thank you. All
Speaker 1: right there he goes Andrew Marshan, And how about this, like,
Speaker 1: get Burkharton Olsen on a damn private jet. I mean
Speaker 1: that's where they draw the line on their carbon footprint. Fox, Like,
Speaker 1: if all these other dude are flying in style, you
Speaker 1: gotta have your number one team. However, short that stay,
Speaker 1: maybe before Brady decides to get involved, put him on
Speaker 1: a jet or don't, or putting no one on a jet.
Speaker 1: How about that? Yeah, either putting nobody on a jet.
Speaker 1: I mean you don't have on a jet. Right. The
Speaker 1: greatest story of all was John Madden traversing the country
Speaker 1: to and fro in a bus and now bus every
Speaker 1: seemed to work for him. On a damn bus and
Speaker 1: nobody was better. I mean it was a luxury bus.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on in there. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to be had. Theres no, it
Speaker 1: was a broken down greyhound that he found at a
Speaker 1: chop shop that he did just enough to get it rolling,
Speaker 1: and he criss crossed that country for thirty years. A
Speaker 1: real man. Um. All right, this is what we're gonna
Speaker 1: were gonna take a break, We're gonna hit the mail bag,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna say goodbye. All right, welcome back,
Speaker 1: good show so far, We got some news in, got
Speaker 1: some media talk in. You know, one more thing about Romo.
Speaker 1: You know, he is getting paid gobs of money to
Speaker 1: do this. He's the criticism is mounting. He's been under
Speaker 1: the microscope for the last twenty five years of his life, right,
Speaker 1: twenty years of his life whatever, dating back to his
Speaker 1: you know, college days or even high school whatever, and
Speaker 1: now he's a very rich man and it's a guaranteed
Speaker 1: contract more or less. I'm assuming. I wonder, like we
Speaker 1: talked about, oh, there was this coming to Jesus meeting,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's being asked to step it up,
Speaker 1: Like there's no guarantee Romo is taking anything out of that.
Speaker 1: So the idea that Romo comes back and is different,
Speaker 1: that could happen. But there's also a chance it's just
Speaker 1: like he's like whatever, and he's like, I don't even
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. I think it's just interesting,
Speaker 1: Like the level of give a Tony Romo might have
Speaker 1: to any criticis is him either outside or inside his own,
Speaker 1: you know, employer. It is funny to kind of think
Speaker 1: about that compared to like being an NFL player, Like
Speaker 1: God forbid, you guarantee an NFL player's contract, but you
Speaker 1: gotta get that private jet for Tony Roman to show
Speaker 1: up day of like can not have done any homework
Speaker 1: and make more than you know, about ninety six percent
Speaker 1: of the NFL. I mean, I also like I had
Speaker 1: assume number one that he is working hard and not
Speaker 1: just totally mailing it in that's a massive assumption. But
Speaker 1: like if someone's well, I don't someone says, go get
Speaker 1: get three times better at calling a football game, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the roadmap for that? I mean, you were lauded
Speaker 1: as the greatest thing that's ever happened, and now suddenly
Speaker 1: I just think it's a lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with just public perception and like he's the next
Speaker 1: guy we getting up on. I've been hard on him
Speaker 1: in the past, but I never liked him as much
Speaker 1: as you guys did. I think out of the gate.
Speaker 1: But the idea that he suddenly became a disaster, I
Speaker 1: don't find that to be entirely valid either. When when
Speaker 1: Nance and Romo reunite whenever that is later this year,
Speaker 1: I think the first thing Nas should say is like,
Speaker 1: usually it's kind of like a trite conversation filler, but
Speaker 1: I think he should say it in a pointed way. Hey,
Speaker 1: Tony working hard or hardly working? I like that Nance
Speaker 1: has taken some heat and all this too from our
Speaker 1: buddy Marshaw, and I think they think there's something to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does, he catches stray some certain figures, including Marshan.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the mail bag. We put
Speaker 1: out a prompt, and I want to say I've always
Speaker 1: been very upfront about this with this show. We ask
Speaker 1: the listeners to get involved and tee us up, and
Speaker 1: then we have conversations. And sometimes it's not so hot.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like I'm really digging through and struggling.
Speaker 1: But this is not one of those times. I think
Speaker 1: the I think the listeners really nailed at this time.
Speaker 1: We have a nice, a nice collection of questions. So
Speaker 1: let's dig in the grave. Digger is going to tee
Speaker 1: us up? Go ahead, bud alrighty. First question comes from
Speaker 1: Ross Johnson Comedy. Does Baker a comedy? Ross? Okay, go ahead?
Speaker 1: Does Baker have what it takes to take Tampa to playoffs?
Speaker 1: I personally haven't seen loads of him, having only followed
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen, but I think he can truly surprise
Speaker 1: a few. I guess that's right there. But yeah, ahead,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that Baker may feel is
Speaker 1: someone you could project as taking anyone anywhere right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's probably adequate with a lot
Speaker 1: of issues that we've seen as a quarterback that date
Speaker 1: back years. Outside of a couple of really hot streaks,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if Tampa's set up to U
Speaker 1: be the fertile ground, and like, you know, to me,
Speaker 1: it's like you're you're following Tom Brady's footsteps. This feels
Speaker 1: like a couple years of let's kind of find our
Speaker 1: quarterback who's not named Baker may feel down the road.
Speaker 1: I'm not even entirely convinced he is going to be
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He got basically Drew Locke's contract. I understand
Speaker 1: there's kind of no one else there, but the money
Speaker 1: is usually instructive. He does have Mike Kevin's Chris Godwin
Speaker 1: just engaged like at first when you had them, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe fifth to last in the power ring at the
Speaker 1: end of Russell Gage. I always say, just engage is
Speaker 1: just never gonna change former Titan's great. I was like,
Speaker 1: is that too high for the Bucks? But then I
Speaker 1: realized now they still have some like legitimate NFL players. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My two thoughts on this are I think this is
Speaker 1: a good year to follow Tom Brady. This is the
Speaker 1: first time it's okay to follow Tom Brady because Tom
Speaker 1: Brady wasn't very good last year, and I think everybody
Speaker 1: was kind of ready to turn the page. And I
Speaker 1: also think Baker is one of the big winners of
Speaker 1: the offseason. Like I've never been a big fan of
Speaker 1: him as a player, and I don't think other than
Speaker 1: a couple you know flashes last year, really one quarter
Speaker 1: of a primetime game and then one blowout of a
Speaker 1: hideous Denver team, I didn't think he showed that much
Speaker 1: even with Los Angeles. And yet I think he is
Speaker 1: going to be a starting quarterback come September in Week one,
Speaker 1: and that is pretty big victory for a guy that
Speaker 1: otherwise a market with guys of his production level settling
Speaker 1: for backup jobs. I think he has a real chance
Speaker 1: to be a starter in week one, which I think
Speaker 1: some of that we talked about, some of the Baker juice,
Speaker 1: and Odell has the same thing going on. It just
Speaker 1: elevates him, I think even within the COGNACENTI internally, I
Speaker 1: think he gives him a little leg up on other guys,
Speaker 1: even if maybe the production isn't there. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I'd say what again, the Bruce arians was very high
Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield and probably thinks I can do what
Speaker 1: another team didn't. And whenever you're drafted in the top.
Speaker 1: We see it with Sam Darnold two top one, two three.
Speaker 1: There's always going to be a team until you truly failed,
Speaker 1: it's going to think we can make this work. But Baker,
Speaker 1: especially because he had he's had very high profile moments,
Speaker 1: including that playoff win over Pittsburgh, that that stick with
Speaker 1: people's psyches. I mean, starting week ones great, but you
Speaker 1: can still turn into Sam Darnold and Carolina Mitchell Travisky
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh if if you're not in a position to
Speaker 1: play well, right, but just the opportunity could be there
Speaker 1: as a week one, that's pretty good. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: move on from jrk Ray. The NFL as a whole
Speaker 1: feels more and more like it's adopted the attitude that
Speaker 1: if you don't win a super Bowl, your season was
Speaker 1: a failure. Where does the line begin where it's okay
Speaker 1: to have consistent success like the Steelers or Ravens without
Speaker 1: frequent Super Bowl wins? What's better? As a fan? I
Speaker 1: want to push back just a little bit on that
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know if I see a
Speaker 1: I know the parody makes it feel like more teams
Speaker 1: have a chance to win the Super Bowl every year,
Speaker 1: which is the goal of the whole parody idea. But
Speaker 1: I was gonna what I took out of this question guys,
Speaker 1: was like, what are the teams that you do feel
Speaker 1: heading into twenty three are in super Bowl or bust mode?
Speaker 1: And you know, I would just look at the top
Speaker 1: of my power rankings Chiefs, Eagles, Bengals, Bills, Niners. I
Speaker 1: kind of stop it at that those five teams, like
Speaker 1: anything less than a championship would be considered failure. Is
Speaker 1: there a guy agree with that? You think there's other
Speaker 1: teams that are kind of in that boat. I would
Speaker 1: agree with that, because when we did the Power of
Speaker 1: Rankings exercise yesterday, I think it really falls off a
Speaker 1: cliff into a middle world after that, where I think,
Speaker 1: you know, to answer the other part of his question,
Speaker 1: like look at the Seahawks or Jaguars from a year ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if there's progress and you see
Speaker 1: as a fan like, wait a minute, these guys have
Speaker 1: a plan, there's a vision, and you have a quarterback
Speaker 1: like whether it's Geno Smith who becomes a big story
Speaker 1: or Trevor Lawrence who takes a leap, then it's like,
Speaker 1: let's hang on from the next we want this to
Speaker 1: be a next four or five or six year, a
Speaker 1: window where we could make the super Bowl, where if
Speaker 1: you're the Bills, it is just bitter disappointment if you
Speaker 1: didn't get there. Yeah, I want to think that the
Speaker 1: journey is the exciting part as a fan because if
Speaker 1: it's title or bust, and there is a bit more
Speaker 1: of that I think in today's sports just media talk
Speaker 1: that like everything but a title is a disappointment. That's
Speaker 1: a silly way to be a fan because you just
Speaker 1: got to be disappointed thirty one out of thirty two
Speaker 1: years if you're like an average year. And like I
Speaker 1: think about I'm a fan of the Celtics, I'm enjoying
Speaker 1: the journey of the regular season, the ups and the
Speaker 1: down like that. Like if if they don't get there
Speaker 1: in the end, it's gonna hurt a lot for sure.
Speaker 1: But if you're not going to have fun along the way,
Speaker 1: you just want your team to have a little fun
Speaker 1: along the way or else what are we really doing
Speaker 1: here as sports fans? But you say you gotta like it,
Speaker 1: using the Celtics as an example, you know they've won
Speaker 1: one title and you know thirty years or whatever. But
Speaker 1: if you were asking if Greg Rosenthal was forty three
Speaker 1: year old man in nineteen eighty eight and they had
Speaker 1: won all those titles, that's absolutely how you would view
Speaker 1: the prism of their season when don't you absolutely? But
Speaker 1: I just I just mean, like you need to find
Speaker 1: more out of being a sports fan than just like
Speaker 1: wanting the title, Like that's gonna like change everything that
Speaker 1: you've ever known of being a sportsman, because it won't
Speaker 1: like you'll still just be a sports fan after it.
Speaker 1: Like you gotta like the process, you gotta. I think
Speaker 1: as a fan, I want that consistent success, like the
Speaker 1: Ravens are a good example, Like, yes, it's been for
Speaker 1: us trading how these seasons have ended. But I would
Speaker 1: much prefer a team that is consistently good then one
Speaker 1: that just pops up for one title and then goes
Speaker 1: dark like the Bucks for twenty years. I think also
Speaker 1: with um and this isn't a shot Greg, but as
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan, it puts you in a different mindset
Speaker 1: with that, and I think with a in some way
Speaker 1: because you've got to experience the Super Bowls and know
Speaker 1: what it felt like after the fact. I think the
Speaker 1: Eagles are a good example of that, and their fan
Speaker 1: base getting close to the mountaintop, waiting fifty years winning
Speaker 1: that title. I think being the fan and it's part
Speaker 1: it colors my fan fandom as well, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like fans deserve and kind of need Catharsis at some
Speaker 1: point they need like that true moment of true celebration
Speaker 1: to get to the mountaintop. And then you could really
Speaker 1: properly contextualize what it means to be a fan. When
Speaker 1: you're just waiting and waiting and waiting forever, like literally
Speaker 1: your whole life, it does kind of put you in
Speaker 1: a different, you know, right, mind space. I guess I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: like you're looking for Rogers to give you some enjoyment
Speaker 1: over the next few years as a Jets fan, or
Speaker 1: at least just give you something like that's what you know,
Speaker 1: giving you something. I totally disagree with that, though, because
Speaker 1: in that specific case, not to go down this wormhole again.
Speaker 1: If they go nine and eight next year with Rogers,
Speaker 1: that is a vast disappointment. It's being done. Have some moments.
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder you could like nine games. I
Speaker 1: love to see like a human study on what percentage
Speaker 1: of human fans never experience a championship across all sports,
Speaker 1: because if you think about there's a lot of crappy
Speaker 1: teams that never win a championship. It's got to be
Speaker 1: like seventies something, if not more, never have that mountaintop moment.
Speaker 1: So when you've had it, it's a lot easier and Greg,
Speaker 1: I'm not pointing just to you, but it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier to be philosophical about the journey and have a
Speaker 1: nice time when you've had that moment. If you haven't
Speaker 1: and you start to get into your forties and fifties
Speaker 1: and sixties, it becomes a desperate chase that you have
Speaker 1: no control over. That's Jess Knicks. Fans born after nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, raise your hand, all right? What else? It
Speaker 1: also depends on how many sports you root for. You know,
Speaker 1: the more sports, the chances team most people. Most people
Speaker 1: get something if they root for three or four. All right,
Speaker 1: Ben Lynn wants to know if Desmond Ritter isn't the
Speaker 1: answer for the Falcons, has Art Smith made it inevitable
Speaker 1: he will be fired by the end of the year.
Speaker 1: This kind of gets to my point about what are
Speaker 1: the Falcons trying to do right now? And if Greg,
Speaker 1: if if Ritter isn't the guy, I just feel for
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith because I will feel like he never got
Speaker 1: a chance. He went from Matt Ryan over the hill
Speaker 1: to rightly getting rid of Matt Ryan and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out a transition year with Mariota to taking a
Speaker 1: risk on a third round pick with Heinekeys the backup
Speaker 1: if he ends up getting canned because they don't don't
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs in their first three years under
Speaker 1: this leadership, which happens all the time in the NFL,
Speaker 1: I'll feel like, if I'm an Arthur I'm Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1: I got cheated. I agree with that. I think he
Speaker 1: could be the rare guy that would have a chance
Speaker 1: to keep his job after myth in the playoffs three
Speaker 1: straight years, because I think they really took a long
Speaker 1: term view when Terry font and Arthur Smith took over.
Speaker 1: Last year was the ultimate like we're just gonna take
Speaker 1: it on the chin. Dead cap year, like they had
Speaker 1: the most dead cap in the league and maybe it
Speaker 1: was the most in NFL history. I think if they
Speaker 1: had like a promising season this season in any way,
Speaker 1: that they would give him another chance. But Ritter is
Speaker 1: the key, and yet I still am not totally convinced
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the guy. I don't know why. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't have enough evidence. But it was a month,
Speaker 1: two months ago or a month ago. It's Super Bowl
Speaker 1: week that Arthur Blank was spinning c poems about Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 1: So I think from the owner on down there seems
Speaker 1: to be some buy in. So if you're Arthur Smith
Speaker 1: and you get fired in the show, progress totally unfair.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got it. He's not making this decision unilaterally.
Speaker 1: What else, all right? I think that's good question. So
Speaker 1: far right, they're doing well like him. This one's for
Speaker 1: Greg from after your daughter comes to you and says
Speaker 1: that she has started dating an NFL coach. Not necessarily
Speaker 1: she's a leg I'm reporting them to the authorities and
Speaker 1: ending it there. I imagine this is ten years in
Speaker 1: the future. Greg, she's twenty one. She's twenty one in
Speaker 1: dating an NFL head coach. I'm twenty years. This is
Speaker 1: twenty years in the future. Have they aged She's still no.
Speaker 1: In this scenario, your daughters in her early thirties and
Speaker 1: the coaches are exactly as they are now, and go,
Speaker 1: which coach are you hoping she isn't dating all is
Speaker 1: all of them? Um, they'd be bad husbands. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like they're bad husbands in the context
Speaker 1: of like whether they're good parents or what they do,
Speaker 1: but ultimately I'm hoping for my daughter someone that can
Speaker 1: be there more often than an NFL HUD coach. Is that.
Speaker 1: That's a great answer from Greg and a man that
Speaker 1: loves his family. I love it. Yeah, let's just clean up.
Speaker 1: They're not bad husbands. They are terrible work workflow scenarios,
Speaker 1: and I watch I remember a few years back there
Speaker 1: was an excellent NFL Films documentary that kind of told
Speaker 1: the life of scouts, not even guys that not necessarily
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ladder, guys that were just ingrained
Speaker 1: in organizations, and you got to look at what there,
Speaker 1: what their schedule is, and how rarely they saw their families,
Speaker 1: and like that. That doesn't the workflow doesn't get lesser
Speaker 1: the higher you move up the chain. It's it's a
Speaker 1: very difficult gig. And shout out really to the wives
Speaker 1: and the families that are able to make it work.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Um. I think I've told this once
Speaker 1: before years ago, but at a Super Bowl where Dan
Speaker 1: and I were tasked with writing I'm not kidding about
Speaker 1: twenty four blogs a day m seven days in a row.
Speaker 1: I tracked down the wife of Marv Levy and Marv
Speaker 1: Levy with her and like, um, he was unavailable, but
Speaker 1: she was, And so I decided, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: ask her what it's been like to be married to
Speaker 1: an NFL coach. And I thought I'd get a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, it's been a successful run that got
Speaker 1: all these super Bowls, like he's the toast of the town.
Speaker 1: It was the opposite to Greg's point, and it was
Speaker 1: this is someone that was not available for three or
Speaker 1: four decades in a row, and then suddenly he was
Speaker 1: it through our entire household out of order because suddenly
Speaker 1: he's hanging around all the time. And it was the
Speaker 1: report was negative enough where it did not make NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com. I remember you telling me about that. I
Speaker 1: might even seen the raw copy of the article that
Speaker 1: never saw the light of day. Yeah, Yeah, Marv Leavy
Speaker 1: buried in a big spot. Yeah. That was like the
Speaker 1: story of the Michael Bennett's story after the Malcolm Butler game,
Speaker 1: where I asked him about what happened on the sideline
Speaker 1: after the Wilson pick, and he made a derogatory comment
Speaker 1: about my manhood and like mentioned my wife. And it
Speaker 1: was just like, what is going on? So it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy. West used to love this story.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, like it was. I remember being like
Speaker 1: stunned when it happened like he was it was being
Speaker 1: a jerk, like, but I understood in the moment he
Speaker 1: was next. Um, so I went. I went back to
Speaker 1: the U, I went back to the press box and
Speaker 1: I and I was blogging like live blogging or whatever
Speaker 1: all week and I wrote a blog post about it,
Speaker 1: and you know, I maybe, uh maybe there was some
Speaker 1: return fire in it and uh. And then that was
Speaker 1: very quickly stricken from the record as well and eliminated
Speaker 1: from the website. I don't know if it ever made
Speaker 1: it up. It might have been up for a little bit. Uh,
Speaker 1: But that was that was a memory the wild West
Speaker 1: of NFL dot com. What else we got? The best
Speaker 1: part of the mail bag is when you guys get
Speaker 1: into these stories about your lions, it's okay. Next question
Speaker 1: from Ewen Iwan Thomas. Is it possible to have the
Speaker 1: same team of at N in consecutive seasons. I can't
Speaker 1: see any other team to be more deserving to be
Speaker 1: it again than the Lions. I'm in I wanted to happen.
Speaker 1: I think they've broken the boundaries of what it means
Speaker 1: to be the team of at N. I want to
Speaker 1: stay on this ride. They lost me a little bit
Speaker 1: with the Jamal Williams h non bring back scenario. It's
Speaker 1: one guy. It's one guy. I know. Like No, I
Speaker 1: we make a report. We also don't do it for
Speaker 1: years in a row. So I think there's clearly it's
Speaker 1: a feel thing. It's a feel things. I'll just say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, in the interest of trying to keep things
Speaker 1: fresh as we enter our second decade of the show,
Speaker 1: running back the team of Aten as the Lions. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I see where you're coming from, Greggy,
Speaker 1: but that's that is what would be keeping it fresh,
Speaker 1: doing something we've never precedent. How you sound like you
Speaker 1: sound like a movie producer that's being criticized for there
Speaker 1: are too many sequels? Why do you keep on doing
Speaker 1: superhero sequels? Like, No, the plot's different in this one.
Speaker 1: I just mean it's like making more of a commitment
Speaker 1: than than we ever have before. I mean, my I'm
Speaker 1: going to be rooting for think about week, think about
Speaker 1: we think about late December, Greggy of a Lion's like,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eight twenty four win that keeps them
Speaker 1: in the playoff picture. And we're singing that song on
Speaker 1: a Sunday night again for like the third month in
Speaker 1: a row, after doing it for four months the previous
Speaker 1: imagining Mark's annoyance to it, which I can see in
Speaker 1: his face right now. No, I mean I know your
Speaker 1: way into my heart. Greg. Now it's getting a little
Speaker 1: more interesting. We have to agree that with every team
Speaker 1: of atl it used to just be West's team and
Speaker 1: that was it was his way or the highway. But um,
Speaker 1: there are varying levels of buying. And I attempted to
Speaker 1: be you know, cooperative, and then they kind of did
Speaker 1: win me over. Well, that's part of the I like
Speaker 1: the lot I'm annoyed now is that h I felt
Speaker 1: like they were they were a team we could all
Speaker 1: truly get behind. Maybe not Mark quite as much, but
Speaker 1: you know, they were they were agreed upon quite easily. Also,
Speaker 1: the stars aligned with that team on the rise and
Speaker 1: Campbell and they were on hard knocks. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see that's fair. We gotta wait, we gotta wait
Speaker 1: till the training camp, right? What else? A couple more,
Speaker 1: A couple more? All right? From t K? How much
Speaker 1: does the Giants being relevant again hurt Greg rosendahlf. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: I want to tee you up on this one. I
Speaker 1: want you to be honest. Okay, because a couple of
Speaker 1: shows ago, and I took no umbrage with it, Like
Speaker 1: you pointed out when I took some shots at Jalen Rams.
Speaker 1: You're like, uh, you know, you know how Dan is.
Speaker 1: You know you have certain teams he hates and he's
Speaker 1: just gonna do that. It's like, you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like the Dolphins, don't like the Patriots. I
Speaker 1: also try to look at both sides, but I will
Speaker 1: admit it that I do not like those teams because
Speaker 1: of my fan leaning. Maybe this is an opportunity for you. Finally,
Speaker 1: and forty two and forty six obviously is a driving
Speaker 1: reason behind it all. Just admit it. Don't hide behind
Speaker 1: Oh I'm a media guy, like you don't like the
Speaker 1: Giants and you didn't like that they had a bounce
Speaker 1: back season and twenty two. All right, that's not true.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Eli Manning era. I didn't. Oh
Speaker 1: I want to either if he was puffed up and
Speaker 1: they were sort of like this weird team that Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was probably like the twelfth best team of that decade,
Speaker 1: just like inaggregate, and yet they snuck away two super bowls.
Speaker 1: Didn't feel right. But once that was all gone and
Speaker 1: flushed away, I'm fine. I'm loyal to football. I do
Speaker 1: not believe anything you just said. By the way, I
Speaker 1: just want to be honest with you. It's true. The
Speaker 1: only teams that I like. It depends on the year
Speaker 1: and who's the coach and who's the vibe and what's
Speaker 1: going on, whether whether I kind of like a team
Speaker 1: or not. The Commanders under this ownership has been the
Speaker 1: consistent team. I am open that I root against. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's easy. Yeah, that's easy. True. But what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for is the real stuff, Like the reason why
Speaker 1: you're even sitting where you are right now, because you
Speaker 1: love football. You were a fan, you grew up, and
Speaker 1: you did suffer those Super Bowl losses. And that is
Speaker 1: New York and there's a Boston New York rivalry. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that that all factors and just just acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna think any less of you. That's the Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning Colts and Broncos were like so much more hateable
Speaker 1: like they the Giants were just these teams that that
Speaker 1: popped up and the Patriots blew it. By then they
Speaker 1: had banked some Super Bowls to that. I'm not invat
Speaker 1: it all right, that's that's great. Um? What else? One more?
Speaker 1: One more Drake from Jeff Drake. Why do you act
Speaker 1: as Odell Beckham's publicists? Wait a minute, First of all,
Speaker 1: can you bring that up again? I just want to
Speaker 1: see the spelling of Odell Beckham here. It's oh, apostrophe
Speaker 1: capital d E L l Okay took the time to
Speaker 1: apostrophe that, but didn't apostrophe Beckham's plural acid. Yeah we
Speaker 1: usually don't, yeah grammar shame around here, but that one
Speaker 1: was pretty special. I think he's referring to an Irish
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham that we don't even know about, potentially, but like, um,
Speaker 1: I think it's Beckham. Right. It's so absurd to suggest
Speaker 1: that we're a publicists. I think if anything, we've been
Speaker 1: like if I were to tilt us in one direction.
Speaker 1: It would be almost like overly critical, like not even
Speaker 1: willing to see the player sometimes and like look at
Speaker 1: the ode the Odell Beckham experience through a negative lens.
Speaker 1: I certainly did as a Browns fan. I think that
Speaker 1: he annoyed Dan both of us during parts of his
Speaker 1: Giant's run. I mean, we can see his critical of
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham on this podcast for eight years basically now.
Speaker 1: But oh but oh apostrophe Dell Beckham. Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 1: maybe we have been too charitable to him. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you and You and West would wore on Odell a
Speaker 1: little bit because you know, Chris, Chris would say, how, look,
Speaker 1: I'd ever seen a receiver come into the league this good.
Speaker 1: I think that's the answer. Maybe I'm the publicist because
Speaker 1: I ranked him so high in my top one to
Speaker 1: one and he's still sitting out there. Maybe rating him
Speaker 1: a little too highly in terms of what he can
Speaker 1: offer now. But the reason is because the first three
Speaker 1: years in the league were as impressive all over thirteen
Speaker 1: hundred yards a season a total Sensation literally led the
Speaker 1: league in yards per game as a rookie, um as
Speaker 1: any receiver we've seen him come into the league in
Speaker 1: a long, long time, and that just like put him
Speaker 1: on a place where his influence, his attention is outside.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's worth pointing out literally the
Speaker 1: last time we saw him on the field, he was
Speaker 1: sort of the difference in the team winning the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and and and that's part of him. You're right,
Speaker 1: go ahead, grip Mark. Well, no, I would say, if
Speaker 1: we are doing a Odell Beckham to the Jets emergency
Speaker 1: show five hours from now, let's see how charitable I
Speaker 1: am on that front. Yeah, this is the Jeff Darlington.
Speaker 1: He was on one of the ESPN shows this morning.
Speaker 1: This was right up, get up, that's edgy. We should
Speaker 1: very much consider Odell Beckham Junior still on the table
Speaker 1: as an option for the New York Jets. In fact,
Speaker 1: we can go even further to say that both sides
Speaker 1: would still like to see this done. That sounds pretty strong.
Speaker 1: That's pretty stronger part reporting from Darlington. And if and
Speaker 1: if O'Dell Beckham does end up on the Jets, all
Speaker 1: I could say is what a wonderful player. I mean,
Speaker 1: but let's let's save that for the emergency podcast. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a great player. It would be a sexy
Speaker 1: wide receiver room if he ended up in there. But yes,
Speaker 1: the idea of pairing those two guys, Rogers and Beckham,
Speaker 1: it would be rather annoyingly well, I would there isn't
Speaker 1: there is, This will never happen. But I think it's been,
Speaker 1: you know, fairly thought up by some that what if
Speaker 1: they get Odell Beckham. They've shipped Elijah More out the door,
Speaker 1: but then Odell Beckham is your your star here along
Speaker 1: with Garrett and like suddenly there's no Rogers retires in
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour and you've got Zach Wilson and Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: I am signing up to watch that unfold on public television.
Speaker 1: Wait what was this? What was what? Did you just
Speaker 1: lay that in a world where like they get Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: they get they get Alan Lazard, they get Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: and then Odell Beckham is like, you know, stunned to
Speaker 1: discover that Aaron Rodgers out and his good friend apparently
Speaker 1: out of nowhere retires and it's Zach Wilson and dealing
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham all next year. That would be tasty.
Speaker 1: It's like week six. It sounds like you have some
Speaker 1: unresolved Odell Beckham issues myself. Mark, it's like week six
Speaker 1: and Goody is like, no, I am insisting on the
Speaker 1: first round. Pick. I don't know why he's talking because
Speaker 1: he's German. All Right, thank you everybody that's sent in questions.
Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Good week shows. We're back
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Don't be alarmed when you don't see us
Speaker 1: on Monday, especially after the Marshannon conversation. And we'll be
Speaker 1: back on Tuesday with another episode. Until then, this is
Speaker 1: the old Zeuser signing off for Quiet Storm and the
Speaker 1: Old Boss and the Grave Digger. Um, Greggy, I think
Speaker 1: we had a little made a little progress on the
Speaker 1: Giants thing today. I know you didn't say anything, but
Speaker 1: I think it's just a little bit of progress. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what progress means in this context. He's
Speaker 1: a call s