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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. It's ready for a lovely staycation.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Around the NFL. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansis I got heroes from across Los Angeles. Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. There it is Greggy. I mean, I love

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Speaker 1: your new remote backdrop in your new home here in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The name of book with the greatest ever title?

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Speaker 1: What is it? Life keeps getting better because I get

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Speaker 1: better looking every day. Something something like that that sounds

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Speaker 1: better than what it really And then over the left

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Speaker 1: shoulder and well deserved the locks trophy sitting on top

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Speaker 1: of a bunch of books. I do plan to work

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Speaker 1: on this at some point this garage, but we've got

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Speaker 1: we've got other issues in the house to settle. First.

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Speaker 1: We got the got the tool belt, you know. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just mean the rest of this girl. Everything is

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Speaker 1: still a mess. But I'm happy to be here and

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Speaker 1: be to just brag on that lock trophy for the

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Speaker 1: next twelve months. I mean, Greg, you used to very

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Speaker 1: prominently above your left shoulder, have beautiful images of your children.

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Speaker 1: You've replaced it with a betting with a betting trophy

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Speaker 1: that you won. Yeah, well that's my priorities say it's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a natural progression. Yeah, there aren't so

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Speaker 1: young anymore. Yeah, it's like, oh, middle kid. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, our kids have aged out of like adorable

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Speaker 1: little baby darlings stage, So you know, the trophy at

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Speaker 1: a certain point has to take center stage. How are you, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. You know, we're taping a little bit

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Speaker 1: early today and then it triggers what is essentially like

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Speaker 1: barring any sort of news that should tumble down and

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Speaker 1: cause massive disruption to my plans. Yes, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think the NFL would ever do that to us, even

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Speaker 1: though there is a ongoing record of that happening, something

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Speaker 1: happening immediately after you finished taping that. Dates are podcast

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Speaker 1: ever so slightly for the past seven hundred and three weeks,

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Speaker 1: including Wednesday with your boy Elijah Moore. Yes, and I

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Speaker 1: just want to say we're about to hit the news.

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Speaker 1: This is a trigger warning to some listeners that we're

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Speaker 1: going to start the news by talking about an NFL

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Speaker 1: topic that involves the Jets. And if this bothers you

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Speaker 1: at all, I suggest one of two things, touch grass

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Speaker 1: or kiss my ass. Oh, let's hit the news. That's

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Speaker 1: at their own thirty year crouder emotion to stack behind

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Speaker 1: more left back, the throws Flaco throws one up to sea.

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Speaker 1: It's tut Elijah over in the open cliff side light

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Speaker 1: five Parlon touchdown. Elijah Moore streaks dot the left side

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Speaker 1: of the field. Joe Flaco found him in stride and

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Speaker 1: the Jets are a point after away from a time Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as Elijah more. And it was just yesterday when we

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Speaker 1: were talking about the power rankings and I was saying,

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope Elijah Moore gets another chance with

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Speaker 1: there is obviously something there. He flashed on a very

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Speaker 1: high level over you know about it. It It was only

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Speaker 1: about a five or six week stretch, but his draft

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Speaker 1: Things went sideways this past season for Moore, who was bended.

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Speaker 1: He had an outburst with then offensive coordinator Mike Lafleura

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Speaker 1: really did ruffle feathers at Floren Park. So what happens

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Speaker 1: the Jets? Right after we learned that Mikole Hardman is

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Speaker 1: heading to New York on a free agent deal, they

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Speaker 1: send Elijah Moore, their former second overall pick and a

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Speaker 1: third round pick in twenty twenty three, to the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns in exchange for a twenty twenty three second round pick. Mark,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you on this one. For the Jets,

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Speaker 1: it adds another draft picks. They're trying to get this

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers deal done. I wonder, I wonder not to

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Speaker 1: who knows. But the Browns get a player with a

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Speaker 1: lot of upside that definitely disappointed in two years with

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Speaker 1: the Jets, but maybe not all of his fault. Probably

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Speaker 1: not all of his fault. Yeah. I think it's hard

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Speaker 1: You look at what they gave away for Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Donovan People's jones. They liked David Belly year ago, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't really emerge as a rookie due to some

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Speaker 1: So it helps a position of need for Cleveland. And

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Dan, because you know we text a

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and that second round pick I think might

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Speaker 1: on hold. And so if this made all that happen,

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Speaker 1: then there's a greater context and reason for it, and

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Speaker 1: a Jets fan can't be too unhappy about what it

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Speaker 1: might lead to. A right, Jets fans, including myself, are

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Speaker 1: kind of unhappy about the deal where it's right now.

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Speaker 1: But what if it leads to Rogers? What if it's

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Speaker 1: the only way you get Rogers? Then it always like

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Speaker 1: Jets fans and so many other people like, we're already

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Speaker 1: under operating under the idea that we have Rogers. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of Joe d the GM finding a

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Speaker 1: That's cool, But what happens with Elijah Moore. Is it

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Speaker 1: feels like God, is he gonna turn it to Chris

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Speaker 1: Carter going from the Eagles to the Vikings. Probably not,

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Speaker 1: a bad contract. What an asset? This contract is two years,

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Speaker 1: three point three million. And I love this deal for

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Speaker 1: the Browns, And you're right. I think the Jets level

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Speaker 1: of disappointment kind of depends on what happens with more

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Speaker 1: gave up a pick swap. You got a very valuable

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Speaker 1: to like, except on the outside, that the seventy fourth

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Speaker 1: forty two is Liam Eichenberg and seventy four is Benjamin

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Speaker 1: Saint Jus for Washington, who's been a much better player

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Speaker 1: really like Eliza More. I think he can receiver. He

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Speaker 1: the second, but then you offer the third, which, to

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Speaker 1: Greg's point, like who that's sort of you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you move him in this deal

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Speaker 1: for what you got back. There is not It doesn't

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Speaker 1: of a a B step plan here. Agree, I'm not, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I really do think people that don't

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Speaker 1: follow the team is closely there is context in terms

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Speaker 1: of like where he started. When he came in, he

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Speaker 1: seemed like a total steal and last year was not great.

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Speaker 1: I mean he literally I think he told Lafleur, he said,

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Speaker 1: when they're in the midst of that run where they're

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Speaker 1: in a winning streak. And I really think it's one

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Speaker 1: think it's a mistake. I think they should have held

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Speaker 1: what's internally, what their conversations are about, what they think

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Speaker 1: all the basically the number one teams do for the

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Speaker 1: most part. Burkhard and Olsen maybe not, but the others

428
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Speaker 1: who have been doing it for a long time, uh

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Speaker 1: do uh. And so something that come in day of game.

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Speaker 1: So that creates a dynamic of these are the stars

431
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Speaker 1: and the production people are the help. And so again

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing,

433
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Speaker 1: but when there's a change, there's gonna be blamed because

434
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Speaker 1: what happens now they've made the move with Phil deine

435
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Speaker 1: U and Jimmy Platt. Phildine was the producer and that's

436
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Speaker 1: where long time producer three decades been at the Monday

437
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Speaker 1: Night Football three decades should say at ESPN all respected

438
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Speaker 1: being the number one producer for college football and then

439
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Speaker 1: moved over to Monday Night Football for the last four years.

440
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Speaker 1: And so you come in. The dynamic is those two

441
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Speaker 1: are making thirty three million dollars bucking Aikman. They're flying

442
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Speaker 1: in and so that creates a problem. So then they

443
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Speaker 1: make it so they knew Aikman didn't like Dean's a

444
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Speaker 1: little laid back, which you would think he would like,

445
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: but he's a little laid back him and Aikman didn't

446
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Speaker 1: think that was great. ESPN makes the move and the

447
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Speaker 1: impact it has, it affects everyone down the crew because

448
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Speaker 1: now Steve accles, Derek Mobley, who is going to be

449
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Speaker 1: the new director, accles a new producer. They're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: in their own people. I mean when you mentioned that

451
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Speaker 1: Aikman is difficult, and I get that. You know, probably

452
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Speaker 1: from the age of fifteen on, he's been told, you're

453
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Speaker 1: the center of our town, You're the center of UCLA,

454
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Speaker 1: You're the center of X, Y and Z. Do you

455
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Speaker 1: think that there's you know, is there self awareness? Because

456
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Speaker 1: you pointed out a great example in a week one

457
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Speaker 1: in that Broncos Seahawks game and he publicly um lash

458
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Speaker 1: the tellis straight or operator for a mistake and it's like,

459
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Speaker 1: that's not where we're used to back in the day

460
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Speaker 1: and Fox and like, so that kind of stuff out

461
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Speaker 1: obviously runs an entire cruise the wrong way. Is Achman

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Speaker 1: self aware at this point after a report like this

463
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Speaker 1: comes out and these changes, like does he change his

464
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Speaker 1: m O or does Aichman just stay Akman no matter

465
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Speaker 1: what and continue to be in your word. It's difficult

466
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Speaker 1: to become public. There's a chance for someone to change

467
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Speaker 1: a little bit and kind of understand that you know

468
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Speaker 1: here and there's a chance for you to change. Now,

469
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Speaker 1: Like do I know if Troykman's gonna change. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows he's gonna change for certain.

471
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Speaker 1: But look, this is what you get into. Like, you

472
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Speaker 1: guys are big stars. You know. I've talked to David Singer.

473
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Speaker 1: I know you treat you know, he's your producer. You

474
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Speaker 1: don't treat him well. You know, you guys are where

475
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Speaker 1: the stars and Singer you know, just you do the

476
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Speaker 1: leg work. We're gonna take all the money credit and

477
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Speaker 1: you do all the hard Well we'll know where big

478
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Speaker 1: stars when Marshawn starts, you know, covering our next contract.

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Speaker 1: And just we treat Singer well, well, it's justin our

480
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Speaker 1: audio producer we treat poorly. Just but but but honestly,

481
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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, were looking on any football, Yes, as

482
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Speaker 1: on a personal level, doesn't matter how you treat people,

483
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Speaker 1: of course, but you go to the top of what

484
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Speaker 1: we said. The broadcast was better so if they're showing

485
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Speaker 1: up for some games day of game and it still

486
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Speaker 1: sounds good, still looks good. Um, is there an issue?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, so there's Troy changed. I

488
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Speaker 1: tend to dowdy will. I mean, it's worked out pretty

489
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Speaker 1: well for him. Three times super Bowl champion, Hall of Famer,

490
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Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars a year contract as an analyst. So uh,

491
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Speaker 1: in terms of those things subjective I mean, objective of facts,

492
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Speaker 1: he's doing pretty well. So I say, probably to answer

493
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Speaker 1: your question, I don't know what he'll do, but I

494
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Speaker 1: doubt he'll change that much. Yeah, it's like a classic

495
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Speaker 1: TV uh not debate, but just question like who's the

496
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Speaker 1: boss here? Is it the is it the producer? Is

497
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Speaker 1: the executive producer? Is it the talent? When the talent's

498
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Speaker 1: making eighteen million dollars a year and flying on a

499
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Speaker 1: private jet, it's not. It's like, no longer a question,

500
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Speaker 1: don't matter what the contract. It ends. Those guys are

501
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Speaker 1: the stars and they're gonna do it the way they

502
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Speaker 1: want to do it. And I think the NBA, it's

503
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Speaker 1: like who's the boss Lebron or Lebron's coach? Like you

504
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: just like at the salaries. Think like for bosses I've had.

505
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Speaker 1: You know, people always want someone like their lockstep with

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Speaker 1: their bosses. And if you remember Casey Jones, the old

507
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Speaker 1: Celtic coach, was kind of known for just throwing the

508
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Speaker 1: ball out into the court and letting Larry Bird and

509
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Speaker 1: Robert Powers and Kevin McHale and Dennis Johnson do their thing.

510
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Speaker 1: I think most people you actually prefer that, like you

511
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Speaker 1: want if you you're lockstep with every little thing, but

512
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Speaker 1: you don't really want someone micromanaging. You want them to

513
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Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna work hard and do your job,

514
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Speaker 1: you want them just kind of let you do it.

515
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Speaker 1: From your lips to God's ears, my friend. Um, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: I found one other thing about the Monday night football telecast,

517
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Speaker 1: which I agree. I think everyone agrees it was a

518
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Speaker 1: step up um as a football fan, because I really

519
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Speaker 1: did enjoy the Manning cast. And for me it was

520
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Speaker 1: a strange year because I previously when the main booth

521
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Speaker 1: wasn't really my cup of tea, it was like, oh,

522
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Speaker 1: it's great to have the manecast with Aikman and Buck.

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Speaker 1: I think, and this is maybe gets to a greater

524
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Speaker 1: point when people talk about should there be this much

525
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Speaker 1: money invested in these booths when the game is really

526
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Speaker 1: the main attraction, and that will decide how many people

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Speaker 1: to tune in. Well, I didn't really watch the Manecast

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Speaker 1: this year because I enjoyed Bucking Aikman and it felt

529
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Speaker 1: when you're listening to them and watching a game that

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Speaker 1: they're covering, that it's a real deal. So it was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a strange thing because I missed most

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Speaker 1: of the Manecast because I was I was into the

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Speaker 1: Aikman and Buck for real. Yeah, I mean, like I

534
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Speaker 1: have two TV's in the office, so I can watch

535
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Speaker 1: both at the same time, but like you can go

536
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Speaker 1: back and forth which from the sound on. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think there is something to that. I

538
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: think where you know, the Manecast really helps is on

539
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Speaker 1: the games that aren't as good, right, you know, there's

540
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Speaker 1: a blowout and I had a lot. I have to say,

541
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Speaker 1: they had a lot of bad games. You can kind

542
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Speaker 1: of hear Fucking Aikman grumble about it a little bit,

543
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Speaker 1: like they were maybe missing those great Sunday afternoon games.

544
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah they weren't. Al talking about selling twenty year old Mazda's.

545
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Speaker 1: But how about your conversation with Al Andrew after the

546
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Wildcard game where he you know, he took some fire

547
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Speaker 1: on this show as well, just for low energy. I

548
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: think we talked about how it just felt like he

549
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Speaker 1: was cutting putting a tough situation energy wise with what

550
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Speaker 1: was it? Dungee? I believe in the booth with him,

551
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about like where does Al stand now? As

552
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: he you know, as he's entering the twilight of his career.

553
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Speaker 1: I think he's kind of been a Jimmy Key ninety

554
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Speaker 1: five ninety four where he maybe he's thrown an eighty

555
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: eight that fastball now, but he can still hit the corners.

556
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: Like where did you get? Where did you come down

557
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Speaker 1: on Michael's in year seven thousand of an amazing career. Yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: Like he's a legend. He might be the best play

559
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Speaker 1: by play TV NFL guy ever, probably is. Look, I

560
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Speaker 1: if I'm Amazon, I'm paying the guy close to a

561
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Speaker 1: million bucks a game. I don't want him to crap

562
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Speaker 1: on the level, right, because it did become a thing

563
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Speaker 1: that Amazon's games stink and they're the offense. You know,

564
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Speaker 1: there's no offense, and that's kind of tough when again,

565
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: there you're the lead voice. Now his thing would be like,

566
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to the fans. Yeah, and he'll

567
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: say he didn't do it that much. But your job's

568
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: not to critique the game. It's the call of you.

569
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Speaker 1: And to me, you could be honest with the audience.

570
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying to be dishonest with the audience, but

571
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Speaker 1: a couple of times, I don't know, it's a little

572
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Speaker 1: much like to me because I think the audience that's watching,

573
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Speaker 1: we are choosing to watch, we want to watch, and

574
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Speaker 1: so yeah, sometimes there's bad games and you can kind

575
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Speaker 1: of point that out. But I thought it was a

576
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Speaker 1: little bit too much in my opinion. I want to

577
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Speaker 1: spring off that because I wonder in reverse because when

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Speaker 1: al Michaels had that performance, and you know, we the

579
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Speaker 1: four of us, have watched al Michaels for a really

580
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Speaker 1: long time. But if you're twenty five years old or

581
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Speaker 1: twenty two, al you're getting the later end of al

582
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Speaker 1: Michael's career. You're getting the later end the latter stages

583
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Speaker 1: of Bob Costs, you're getting the very latter stages of

584
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Speaker 1: Greg Gumbel. And these guys don't seem at times like

585
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Speaker 1: complete lee and tune. And I think the second layer

586
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Speaker 1: of this that is different than when you and I

587
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: went to Ithaca back in the mid nineties, Is that,

588
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Well no, because it's like that, well, we went to

589
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: broadcasting school because what we were watching was so different

590
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: than today, and there were so many limited channels to

591
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Speaker 1: get on the air in any way, and these guys

592
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: were icons. But now on Twitter, if you're Al Michaels

593
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Speaker 1: or you're the producers or the production company that the

594
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Speaker 1: corporation behind this, and people are getting filaid on Twitter

595
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: by actual other analysts in fans in general, and it

596
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: becomes this grounds from were Suddenly Tony Romo's no longer

597
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Speaker 1: competent in what he's doing. He's not special. Like how

598
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: annoying is this to everyone else that twenty years ago

599
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with this layer of critique. You

600
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: got guys killing people for Alan Michael's not knowing clock

601
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Speaker 1: management in the final It's just like it's so micro

602
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Speaker 1: and like the guy can't get out of a broadcast

603
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: about getting slandered left and right, Greg, that's killing al Michaels.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Yes it is, Well, it's different. I

605
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: always say if Vince Scully was broadcasting baseball today, Twitter

606
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: would there'd be people crushing Vince Scully goes too long,

607
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: These stories are too much. He has to work alone,

608
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Speaker 1: which you know Vince Scully did for a large party's career.

609
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Speaker 1: And so I think when you so, everyone's gonna get

610
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Speaker 1: it um And if I were, I think, you know,

611
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Speaker 1: like you get to nance and romo. Like CBS has

612
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: an issue, like that's a problem. That booth is not

613
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Speaker 1: that good right now, and they have a super Bowl

614
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Speaker 1: coming up this year. I mean, they got to find

615
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Speaker 1: a way to improve that. M But you know, you

616
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Speaker 1: can't just go by social media. You can't make decisions

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Speaker 1: based on social media. And you're right though, I think

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Speaker 1: it's a very good point you make about these guys

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Speaker 1: at the latter end of their career. I think they

620
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Speaker 1: should go as long as they want. Like, I don't

621
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Speaker 1: think it's anybody's playing their legacy, Like you know, Willie

622
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Speaker 1: Mays as a met. Nobody thinks of Willie Mays as

623
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Speaker 1: a met. Right if I said Willie Mays, that's you

624
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Speaker 1: don't think, oh you fell in the outfield asn't met.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're all too young to remember actually seeing

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Speaker 1: that from like that's like the kind of one of

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Speaker 1: the Sagard, you know ament as a ram like those things.

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Speaker 1: I don't think those matter, but I will say with

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Speaker 1: a younger you're saying like the people who don't have

630
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Speaker 1: that history as much with these legendary announcers, when they're

631
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Speaker 1: not as enthusiastic. And I think that was the big thing.

632
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: That was an incredible comeback and Alan Tony were doing

633
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: the game as if it was like a you know,

634
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon at one o'clock and he's just like whatever,

635
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: and you could feel it, like you could feel the

636
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Speaker 1: comeback I think as a fan, like you didn't know

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do it, but you could feel it happening,

638
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: and they were just late to it. You know. Dungee's

639
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: low energy, and I was also, you know, he's not

640
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: high energy. He needs you need that ying and yang

641
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: without at this point. And he's never been a huge

642
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: high energy guy. But he's a you know the economy

643
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: of words as well, which is great um in large degree.

644
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: But on that game, yeah, that wasn't good. But it's

645
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: not great when Tony Dungee's your partner or Kirk Curve

646
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Street for that matter, who's like fine. But I don't

647
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: know if he's picking up out because the NFL is

648
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: not his number one sport, and I think that comes

649
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: across a little bit too. So it's pretty him in

650
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: a tough spot. I tend to think, Look, I think

651
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: people would love Vince Scully because Vince Scully is great,

652
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: and I think people loved Al Michaels until recently, and

653
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: it's just because he's not as good anymore, and so

654
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: it feels it feels fair to me. But to Mark's point,

655
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: like there's like a level of scrutiny that exists now,

656
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: and especially at these primetime games. It's end the advent

657
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: of Twitter and social media. It's like people have to

658
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: have takes and it's a part of like the I

659
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: call him the booth wars, right, Andrew. So it's like,

660
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: what has happened in the last few years with all

661
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: this money, It's put such a spotlight on these booths

662
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: in the way that it's never been on before that

663
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: now it feels like it's open season for everything. These

664
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: guys say it's got it's got to be pretty difficult.

665
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: Do you think this is kind of a well, remember,

666
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: like this is a pretty good idea. Andrew writes a

667
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: book down the line called Booth Wars. I get a

668
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: seven percent cut of it, and it tells like a

669
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: crazy story about here is the story of when and

670
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the media world when booths turned into the most valuable

671
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: entity and blah blah blah, best self pretty good? Is

672
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: that going to Is this going to continue in perpetuity

673
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: or do you think we'll remember this as like eventually

674
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: the networks are going to kind of pull the reins

675
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: back on this and or do you think guys you're

676
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: just gonna keep on getting paid like superstar quarterbacks. Yeah?

677
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: I think the NFL is different, right because you got

678
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in theory coming into the booth not next year,

679
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: but the year after a thirty seven and a half

680
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: million dollars, which I reported per year. So if you

681
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: think about it, if Patrick Mahomes fifteen years from now,

682
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, or Joe Burrow, you know, goes into a booth,

683
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: like what are they gonna They're not gonna They're gonna

684
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: need to make a lot of money. So I don't

685
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: think that's changing to get these these ex players. And

686
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: I think that you know, Joe Buck is a young guy.

687
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in his fifties, so he could do

688
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: it for another you know, fifteen twenty years or you

689
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: look at like an alb you know, they could go.

690
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: Who knows how long he can go. So I don't

691
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: think he's getting many pay cuts of any So I

692
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: think the money is gonna be there. You know, crimea

693
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: river for these guys. You know, yes they have the scrutiny,

694
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: but uh, you get that direct deposit every week. It's

695
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: not bad. Uh. And it's a weird job because you know,

696
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: this all happened basically because ESPN was incompetent and trying

697
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: to put together a booth. You know, they lost Tarrico

698
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: to NBC. That kind of started everything because Tarrico's a

699
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: good play by player. He's the most important person in

700
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: that in any of these boots to make the analysts better.

701
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the most important person. And so they

702
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: lost Tariko. Uh, and then they had trouble. McDonald and

703
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Gruden didn't work out fully and so and then they

704
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: spiraled into ridiculousness and like really some of the worst

705
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: decisions in TV history with the Testatur, Booger and Witten.

706
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's just like it was hard to believe

707
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: when it happened. And then like you know, Okay, let's

708
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: give it a chance. And I was like, oh, this

709
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: isn't good. Um, and so you look at it. So

710
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: they so then eventually it gets to the point where

711
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: Romo is a free agent. He's the hottest thing three

712
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: years out and he goes from three to four million

713
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: to eighteen million a year because ESPN is breathing down

714
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: uh CBS's throat and there's NFL deals on the horizon,

715
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: which is the most important thing to these companies sports

716
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: ry wise and maybe even overall. So CBS wants to

717
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: keep Romo, so they go into negotiations with the top guy.

718
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: At that point, ESPN wanted to steal them and this

719
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: and this is another little point, and I won't I

720
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: could go on and on about this, but before the

721
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: pandemic there was a feeling I wrote something about this

722
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: that ESPN and ABC and Disney was gonna We're gonna

723
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: go after uh CBS's Sunday package. And so the deal

724
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Romo had he is the best effort, was right before

725
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit. UH. Really, you know, it's like known, uh.

726
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: And so he got in there right before UH. And

727
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: then you go forward ESPN in the negotiations with the NFL,

728
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: they we're gonna we want a couple of super Bowls.

729
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: They get a couple of super Bowls. They tell the

730
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: NFL we're gonna improve the booth so they're super Bowl worthy.

731
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: And you know last year we had uh just total

732
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: tremendous men. Am m Um, Andrew you you're an immediate insider.

733
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: Of course you're one of the top ones. Um. Dan

734
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: for a long time, you know, considered himself a self

735
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: styled media why are you putting it in the past tense? Okay, okay,

736
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: But he sometimes faces some competition in house. You know,

737
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: I try to do some work myself. He doesn't like it.

738
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: I ask around and the biggest we've just subjected Andrew

739
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: to that. By the way, he's a professional. I was

740
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: so looking forward to that. I thought it was good

741
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: for like the morning Zoo there at some point, just

742
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: to let you know, yeah and Greg from the zeus

743
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: or in the morning. Just sometimes if you have to

744
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: go into underground garages in a trench coat and a

745
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: cigarette to ask the questions, you just might have to

746
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: change your path. And it's not just text messaging. It's

747
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: getting your You're rolling up the leaves and get your

748
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: fingernails dirty. That's been good to the answers you're looking for. Andrew,

749
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: do you see what I'm dealing with? Show a show

750
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: on this vehicle that we operate here. Yeah. Look, I

751
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: mean we could talk offline, but I think, like zeus

752
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: in the morning, your own thing, you might want to

753
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: just take off. And if you do, let me know

754
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: and we'll get a big story out there. We'll break up,

755
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, let me hit you up after the show. Andrew,

756
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: incredible as always. And yes, like I said, it's it's

757
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: a really good podcast. If this stuff is as interesting

758
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: to you as it is to us. Marsh end and

759
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: Rand sports media podcasts, get that wherever you get your podcasts,

760
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: and of course New York Post for all the latest

761
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: scoopage on the game. Thank you, buddy, thank you. All

762
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: right there he goes Andrew Marshan, And how about this, like,

763
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: get Burkharton Olsen on a damn private jet. I mean

764
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: that's where they draw the line on their carbon footprint. Fox, Like,

765
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: if all these other dude are flying in style, you

766
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: gotta have your number one team. However, short that stay,

767
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: maybe before Brady decides to get involved, put him on

768
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: a jet or don't, or putting no one on a jet.

769
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: How about that? Yeah, either putting nobody on a jet.

770
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean you don't have on a jet. Right. The

771
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: greatest story of all was John Madden traversing the country

772
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: to and fro in a bus and now bus every

773
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: seemed to work for him. On a damn bus and

774
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: nobody was better. I mean it was a luxury bus.

775
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on in there. There was

776
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to be had. Theres no, it

777
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: was a broken down greyhound that he found at a

778
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: chop shop that he did just enough to get it rolling,

779
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: and he criss crossed that country for thirty years. A

780
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: real man. Um. All right, this is what we're gonna

781
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: were gonna take a break, We're gonna hit the mail bag,

782
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna say goodbye. All right, welcome back,

783
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: good show so far, We got some news in, got

784
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: some media talk in. You know, one more thing about Romo.

785
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: You know, he is getting paid gobs of money to

786
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: do this. He's the criticism is mounting. He's been under

787
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: the microscope for the last twenty five years of his life, right,

788
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: twenty years of his life whatever, dating back to his

789
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, college days or even high school whatever, and

790
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: now he's a very rich man and it's a guaranteed

791
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: contract more or less. I'm assuming. I wonder, like we

792
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: talked about, oh, there was this coming to Jesus meeting,

793
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: and you know, he's being asked to step it up,

794
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: Like there's no guarantee Romo is taking anything out of that.

795
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: So the idea that Romo comes back and is different,

796
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: that could happen. But there's also a chance it's just

797
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: like he's like whatever, and he's like, I don't even

798
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. I think it's just interesting,

799
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Like the level of give a Tony Romo might have

800
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: to any criticis is him either outside or inside his own,

801
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, employer. It is funny to kind of think

802
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: about that compared to like being an NFL player, Like

803
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: God forbid, you guarantee an NFL player's contract, but you

804
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: gotta get that private jet for Tony Roman to show

805
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: up day of like can not have done any homework

806
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: and make more than you know, about ninety six percent

807
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: of the NFL. I mean, I also like I had

808
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: assume number one that he is working hard and not

809
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: just totally mailing it in that's a massive assumption. But

810
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: like if someone's well, I don't someone says, go get

811
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: get three times better at calling a football game, Like,

812
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: what's the roadmap for that? I mean, you were lauded

813
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: as the greatest thing that's ever happened, and now suddenly

814
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I just think it's a lot of it has to

815
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: do with just public perception and like he's the next

816
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: guy we getting up on. I've been hard on him

817
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: in the past, but I never liked him as much

818
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: as you guys did. I think out of the gate.

819
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: But the idea that he suddenly became a disaster, I

820
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: don't find that to be entirely valid either. When when

821
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Nance and Romo reunite whenever that is later this year,

822
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I think the first thing Nas should say is like,

823
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: usually it's kind of like a trite conversation filler, but

824
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: I think he should say it in a pointed way. Hey,

825
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: Tony working hard or hardly working? I like that Nance

826
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: has taken some heat and all this too from our

827
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: buddy Marshaw, and I think they think there's something to that. Yeah,

828
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: he does, he catches stray some certain figures, including Marshan.

829
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the mail bag. We put

830
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: out a prompt, and I want to say I've always

831
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: been very upfront about this with this show. We ask

832
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: the listeners to get involved and tee us up, and

833
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 1: then we have conversations. And sometimes it's not so hot.

834
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like I'm really digging through and struggling.

835
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: But this is not one of those times. I think

836
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: the I think the listeners really nailed at this time.

837
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: We have a nice, a nice collection of questions. So

838
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: let's dig in the grave. Digger is going to tee

839
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: us up? Go ahead, bud alrighty. First question comes from

840
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: Ross Johnson Comedy. Does Baker a comedy? Ross? Okay, go ahead?

841
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: Does Baker have what it takes to take Tampa to playoffs?

842
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: I personally haven't seen loads of him, having only followed

843
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen, but I think he can truly surprise

844
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: a few. I guess that's right there. But yeah, ahead,

845
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that Baker may feel is

846
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: someone you could project as taking anyone anywhere right now.

847
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's probably adequate with a lot

848
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: of issues that we've seen as a quarterback that date

849
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: back years. Outside of a couple of really hot streaks,

850
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know if Tampa's set up to U

851
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: be the fertile ground, and like, you know, to me,

852
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: it's like you're you're following Tom Brady's footsteps. This feels

853
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: like a couple years of let's kind of find our

854
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: quarterback who's not named Baker may feel down the road.

855
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm not even entirely convinced he is going to be

856
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He got basically Drew Locke's contract. I understand

857
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: there's kind of no one else there, but the money

858
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: is usually instructive. He does have Mike Kevin's Chris Godwin

859
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: just engaged like at first when you had them, you know,

860
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: maybe fifth to last in the power ring at the

861
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: end of Russell Gage. I always say, just engage is

862
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: just never gonna change former Titan's great. I was like,

863
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: is that too high for the Bucks? But then I

864
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: realized now they still have some like legitimate NFL players. Yeah.

865
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: My two thoughts on this are I think this is

866
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: a good year to follow Tom Brady. This is the

867
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: first time it's okay to follow Tom Brady because Tom

868
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: Brady wasn't very good last year, and I think everybody

869
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: was kind of ready to turn the page. And I

870
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: also think Baker is one of the big winners of

871
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: the offseason. Like I've never been a big fan of

872
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: him as a player, and I don't think other than

873
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: a couple you know flashes last year, really one quarter

874
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: of a primetime game and then one blowout of a

875
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: hideous Denver team, I didn't think he showed that much

876
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: even with Los Angeles. And yet I think he is

877
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: going to be a starting quarterback come September in Week one,

878
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: and that is pretty big victory for a guy that

879
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: otherwise a market with guys of his production level settling

880
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: for backup jobs. I think he has a real chance

881
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: to be a starter in week one, which I think

882
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: some of that we talked about, some of the Baker juice,

883
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: and Odell has the same thing going on. It just

884
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: elevates him, I think even within the COGNACENTI internally, I

885
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: think he gives him a little leg up on other guys,

886
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: even if maybe the production isn't there. I think you're right.

887
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I'd say what again, the Bruce arians was very high

888
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield and probably thinks I can do what

889
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: another team didn't. And whenever you're drafted in the top.

890
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: We see it with Sam Darnold two top one, two three.

891
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: There's always going to be a team until you truly failed,

892
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: it's going to think we can make this work. But Baker,

893
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: especially because he had he's had very high profile moments,

894
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: including that playoff win over Pittsburgh, that that stick with

895
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: people's psyches. I mean, starting week ones great, but you

896
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: can still turn into Sam Darnold and Carolina Mitchell Travisky

897
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh if if you're not in a position to

898
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: play well, right, but just the opportunity could be there

899
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: as a week one, that's pretty good. All right, Let's

900
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: move on from jrk Ray. The NFL as a whole

901
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: feels more and more like it's adopted the attitude that

902
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: if you don't win a super Bowl, your season was

903
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: a failure. Where does the line begin where it's okay

904
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: to have consistent success like the Steelers or Ravens without

905
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: frequent Super Bowl wins? What's better? As a fan? I

906
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: want to push back just a little bit on that

907
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know if I see a

908
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: I know the parody makes it feel like more teams

909
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: have a chance to win the Super Bowl every year,

910
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: which is the goal of the whole parody idea. But

911
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna what I took out of this question guys,

912
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: was like, what are the teams that you do feel

913
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: heading into twenty three are in super Bowl or bust mode?

914
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: And you know, I would just look at the top

915
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: of my power rankings Chiefs, Eagles, Bengals, Bills, Niners. I

916
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of stop it at that those five teams, like

917
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: anything less than a championship would be considered failure. Is

918
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: there a guy agree with that? You think there's other

919
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: teams that are kind of in that boat. I would

920
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: agree with that, because when we did the Power of

921
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: Rankings exercise yesterday, I think it really falls off a

922
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: cliff into a middle world after that, where I think,

923
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, to answer the other part of his question,

924
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: like look at the Seahawks or Jaguars from a year ago.

925
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if there's progress and you see

926
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: as a fan like, wait a minute, these guys have

927
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: a plan, there's a vision, and you have a quarterback

928
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: like whether it's Geno Smith who becomes a big story

929
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: or Trevor Lawrence who takes a leap, then it's like,

930
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: let's hang on from the next we want this to

931
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: be a next four or five or six year, a

932
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: window where we could make the super Bowl, where if

933
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: you're the Bills, it is just bitter disappointment if you

934
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: didn't get there. Yeah, I want to think that the

935
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: journey is the exciting part as a fan because if

936
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: it's title or bust, and there is a bit more

937
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: of that I think in today's sports just media talk

938
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: that like everything but a title is a disappointment. That's

939
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: a silly way to be a fan because you just

940
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: got to be disappointed thirty one out of thirty two

941
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: years if you're like an average year. And like I

942
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: think about I'm a fan of the Celtics, I'm enjoying

943
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: the journey of the regular season, the ups and the

944
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: down like that. Like if if they don't get there

945
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: in the end, it's gonna hurt a lot for sure.

946
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: But if you're not going to have fun along the way,

947
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: you just want your team to have a little fun

948
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: along the way or else what are we really doing

949
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: here as sports fans? But you say you gotta like it,

950
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: using the Celtics as an example, you know they've won

951
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: one title and you know thirty years or whatever. But

952
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: if you were asking if Greg Rosenthal was forty three

953
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: year old man in nineteen eighty eight and they had

954
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: won all those titles, that's absolutely how you would view

955
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: the prism of their season when don't you absolutely? But

956
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: I just I just mean, like you need to find

957
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: more out of being a sports fan than just like

958
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: wanting the title, Like that's gonna like change everything that

959
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: you've ever known of being a sportsman, because it won't

960
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: like you'll still just be a sports fan after it.

961
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: Like you gotta like the process, you gotta. I think

962
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: as a fan, I want that consistent success, like the

963
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: Ravens are a good example, Like, yes, it's been for

964
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: us trading how these seasons have ended. But I would

965
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: much prefer a team that is consistently good then one

966
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: that just pops up for one title and then goes

967
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: dark like the Bucks for twenty years. I think also

968
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: with um and this isn't a shot Greg, but as

969
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan, it puts you in a different mindset

970
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: with that, and I think with a in some way

971
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: because you've got to experience the Super Bowls and know

972
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: what it felt like after the fact. I think the

973
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Eagles are a good example of that, and their fan

974
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: base getting close to the mountaintop, waiting fifty years winning

975
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: that title. I think being the fan and it's part

976
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: it colors my fan fandom as well, Like I feel

977
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: like fans deserve and kind of need Catharsis at some

978
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: point they need like that true moment of true celebration

979
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: to get to the mountaintop. And then you could really

980
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: properly contextualize what it means to be a fan. When

981
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: you're just waiting and waiting and waiting forever, like literally

982
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: your whole life, it does kind of put you in

983
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: a different, you know, right, mind space. I guess I'm saying, though,

984
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: like you're looking for Rogers to give you some enjoyment

985
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: over the next few years as a Jets fan, or

986
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: at least just give you something like that's what you know,

987
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: giving you something. I totally disagree with that, though, because

988
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: in that specific case, not to go down this wormhole again.

989
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: If they go nine and eight next year with Rogers,

990
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: that is a vast disappointment. It's being done. Have some moments.

991
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder you could like nine games. I

992
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: love to see like a human study on what percentage

993
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: of human fans never experience a championship across all sports,

994
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: because if you think about there's a lot of crappy

995
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: teams that never win a championship. It's got to be

996
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: like seventies something, if not more, never have that mountaintop moment.

997
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: So when you've had it, it's a lot easier and Greg,

998
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm not pointing just to you, but it's a lot

999
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: easier to be philosophical about the journey and have a

1000
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: nice time when you've had that moment. If you haven't

1001
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: and you start to get into your forties and fifties

1002
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: and sixties, it becomes a desperate chase that you have

1003
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: no control over. That's Jess Knicks. Fans born after nineteen

1004
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: seventy three, raise your hand, all right? What else? It

1005
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: also depends on how many sports you root for. You know,

1006
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: the more sports, the chances team most people. Most people

1007
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: get something if they root for three or four. All right,

1008
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: Ben Lynn wants to know if Desmond Ritter isn't the

1009
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: answer for the Falcons, has Art Smith made it inevitable

1010
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: he will be fired by the end of the year.

1011
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: This kind of gets to my point about what are

1012
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: the Falcons trying to do right now? And if Greg,

1013
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: if if Ritter isn't the guy, I just feel for

1014
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith because I will feel like he never got

1015
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: a chance. He went from Matt Ryan over the hill

1016
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: to rightly getting rid of Matt Ryan and trying to

1017
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: figure out a transition year with Mariota to taking a

1018
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: risk on a third round pick with Heinekeys the backup

1019
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: if he ends up getting canned because they don't don't

1020
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs in their first three years under

1021
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: this leadership, which happens all the time in the NFL,

1022
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I'll feel like, if I'm an Arthur I'm Arthur Smith.

1023
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: I got cheated. I agree with that. I think he

1024
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: could be the rare guy that would have a chance

1025
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: to keep his job after myth in the playoffs three

1026
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: straight years, because I think they really took a long

1027
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: term view when Terry font and Arthur Smith took over.

1028
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Last year was the ultimate like we're just gonna take

1029
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: it on the chin. Dead cap year, like they had

1030
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: the most dead cap in the league and maybe it

1031
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: was the most in NFL history. I think if they

1032
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: had like a promising season this season in any way,

1033
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: that they would give him another chance. But Ritter is

1034
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: the key, and yet I still am not totally convinced

1035
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the guy. I don't know why. Well,

1036
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: we don't have enough evidence. But it was a month,

1037
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: two months ago or a month ago. It's Super Bowl

1038
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: week that Arthur Blank was spinning c poems about Desmond Ritter.

1039
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: So I think from the owner on down there seems

1040
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: to be some buy in. So if you're Arthur Smith

1041
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: and you get fired in the show, progress totally unfair.

1042
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got it. He's not making this decision unilaterally.

1043
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: What else, all right? I think that's good question. So

1044
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: far right, they're doing well like him. This one's for

1045
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: Greg from after your daughter comes to you and says

1046
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: that she has started dating an NFL coach. Not necessarily

1047
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: she's a leg I'm reporting them to the authorities and

1048
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: ending it there. I imagine this is ten years in

1049
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: the future. Greg, she's twenty one. She's twenty one in

1050
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: dating an NFL head coach. I'm twenty years. This is

1051
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: twenty years in the future. Have they aged She's still no.

1052
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: In this scenario, your daughters in her early thirties and

1053
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: the coaches are exactly as they are now, and go,

1054
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: which coach are you hoping she isn't dating all is

1055
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: all of them? Um, they'd be bad husbands. I mean

1056
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like they're bad husbands in the context

1057
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: of like whether they're good parents or what they do,

1058
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: but ultimately I'm hoping for my daughter someone that can

1059
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: be there more often than an NFL HUD coach. Is that.

1060
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: That's a great answer from Greg and a man that

1061
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: loves his family. I love it. Yeah, let's just clean up.

1062
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: They're not bad husbands. They are terrible work workflow scenarios,

1063
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: and I watch I remember a few years back there

1064
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: was an excellent NFL Films documentary that kind of told

1065
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: the life of scouts, not even guys that not necessarily

1066
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ladder, guys that were just ingrained

1067
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: in organizations, and you got to look at what there,

1068
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: what their schedule is, and how rarely they saw their families,

1069
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: and like that. That doesn't the workflow doesn't get lesser

1070
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: the higher you move up the chain. It's it's a

1071
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: very difficult gig. And shout out really to the wives

1072
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: and the families that are able to make it work.

1073
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Um. I think I've told this once

1074
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: before years ago, but at a Super Bowl where Dan

1075
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: and I were tasked with writing I'm not kidding about

1076
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: twenty four blogs a day m seven days in a row.

1077
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I tracked down the wife of Marv Levy and Marv

1078
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: Levy with her and like, um, he was unavailable, but

1079
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: she was, And so I decided, I'm just going to

1080
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: ask her what it's been like to be married to

1081
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: an NFL coach. And I thought I'd get a lot

1082
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: of you know, it's been a successful run that got

1083
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: all these super Bowls, like he's the toast of the town.

1084
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: It was the opposite to Greg's point, and it was

1085
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: this is someone that was not available for three or

1086
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: four decades in a row, and then suddenly he was

1087
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: it through our entire household out of order because suddenly

1088
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: he's hanging around all the time. And it was the

1089
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: report was negative enough where it did not make NFL

1090
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: dot Com. I remember you telling me about that. I

1091
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: might even seen the raw copy of the article that

1092
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: never saw the light of day. Yeah, Yeah, Marv Leavy

1093
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: buried in a big spot. Yeah. That was like the

1094
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: story of the Michael Bennett's story after the Malcolm Butler game,

1095
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: where I asked him about what happened on the sideline

1096
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: after the Wilson pick, and he made a derogatory comment

1097
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: about my manhood and like mentioned my wife. And it

1098
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: was just like, what is going on? So it was like,

1099
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy. West used to love this story.

1100
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: It was crazy, like it was. I remember being like

1101
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: stunned when it happened like he was it was being

1102
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: a jerk, like, but I understood in the moment he

1103
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: was next. Um, so I went. I went back to

1104
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: the U, I went back to the press box and

1105
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: I and I was blogging like live blogging or whatever

1106
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: all week and I wrote a blog post about it,

1107
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: and you know, I maybe, uh maybe there was some

1108
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: return fire in it and uh. And then that was

1109
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: very quickly stricken from the record as well and eliminated

1110
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: from the website. I don't know if it ever made

1111
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: it up. It might have been up for a little bit. Uh,

1112
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: But that was that was a memory the wild West

1113
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: of NFL dot com. What else we got? The best

1114
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: part of the mail bag is when you guys get

1115
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: into these stories about your lions, it's okay. Next question

1116
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: from Ewen Iwan Thomas. Is it possible to have the

1117
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: same team of at N in consecutive seasons. I can't

1118
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: see any other team to be more deserving to be

1119
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: it again than the Lions. I'm in I wanted to happen.

1120
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: I think they've broken the boundaries of what it means

1121
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: to be the team of at N. I want to

1122
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: stay on this ride. They lost me a little bit

1123
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: with the Jamal Williams h non bring back scenario. It's

1124
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: one guy. It's one guy. I know. Like No, I

1125
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: we make a report. We also don't do it for

1126
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: years in a row. So I think there's clearly it's

1127
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: a feel thing. It's a feel things. I'll just say, like,

1128
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, in the interest of trying to keep things

1129
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: fresh as we enter our second decade of the show,

1130
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: running back the team of Aten as the Lions. I

1131
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I see where you're coming from, Greggy,

1132
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: but that's that is what would be keeping it fresh,

1133
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: doing something we've never precedent. How you sound like you

1134
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: sound like a movie producer that's being criticized for there

1135
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: are too many sequels? Why do you keep on doing

1136
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: superhero sequels? Like, No, the plot's different in this one.

1137
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: I just mean it's like making more of a commitment

1138
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: than than we ever have before. I mean, my I'm

1139
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 1: going to be rooting for think about week, think about

1140
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: we think about late December, Greggy of a Lion's like,

1141
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eight twenty four win that keeps them

1142
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: in the playoff picture. And we're singing that song on

1143
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: a Sunday night again for like the third month in

1144
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: a row, after doing it for four months the previous

1145
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: imagining Mark's annoyance to it, which I can see in

1146
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: his face right now. No, I mean I know your

1147
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: way into my heart. Greg. Now it's getting a little

1148
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: more interesting. We have to agree that with every team

1149
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: of atl it used to just be West's team and

1150
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: that was it was his way or the highway. But um,

1151
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: there are varying levels of buying. And I attempted to

1152
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: be you know, cooperative, and then they kind of did

1153
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: win me over. Well, that's part of the I like

1154
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: the lot I'm annoyed now is that h I felt

1155
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: like they were they were a team we could all

1156
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: truly get behind. Maybe not Mark quite as much, but

1157
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, they were they were agreed upon quite easily. Also,

1158
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: the stars aligned with that team on the rise and

1159
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: Campbell and they were on hard knocks. Yeah, I mean,

1160
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: we'll see that's fair. We gotta wait, we gotta wait

1161
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: till the training camp, right? What else? A couple more,

1162
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: A couple more? All right? From t K? How much

1163
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: does the Giants being relevant again hurt Greg rosendahlf. You know, Greg,

1164
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: I want to tee you up on this one. I

1165
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: want you to be honest. Okay, because a couple of

1166
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: shows ago, and I took no umbrage with it, Like

1167
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: you pointed out when I took some shots at Jalen Rams.

1168
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: You're like, uh, you know, you know how Dan is.

1169
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: You know you have certain teams he hates and he's

1170
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: just gonna do that. It's like, you know what, Yeah,

1171
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't like the Dolphins, don't like the Patriots. I

1172
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: also try to look at both sides, but I will

1173
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: admit it that I do not like those teams because

1174
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: of my fan leaning. Maybe this is an opportunity for you. Finally,

1175
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: and forty two and forty six obviously is a driving

1176
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: reason behind it all. Just admit it. Don't hide behind

1177
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Oh I'm a media guy, like you don't like the

1178
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: Giants and you didn't like that they had a bounce

1179
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: back season and twenty two. All right, that's not true.

1180
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Eli Manning era. I didn't. Oh

1181
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: I want to either if he was puffed up and

1182
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: they were sort of like this weird team that Yeah,

1183
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: it was probably like the twelfth best team of that decade,

1184
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: just like inaggregate, and yet they snuck away two super bowls.

1185
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: Didn't feel right. But once that was all gone and

1186
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: flushed away, I'm fine. I'm loyal to football. I do

1187
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: not believe anything you just said. By the way, I

1188
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: just want to be honest with you. It's true. The

1189
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: only teams that I like. It depends on the year

1190
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: and who's the coach and who's the vibe and what's

1191
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: going on, whether whether I kind of like a team

1192
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: or not. The Commanders under this ownership has been the

1193
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: consistent team. I am open that I root against. Yeah,

1194
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: but that's easy. Yeah, that's easy. True. But what I'm

1195
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: looking for is the real stuff, Like the reason why

1196
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: you're even sitting where you are right now, because you

1197
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: love football. You were a fan, you grew up, and

1198
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: you did suffer those Super Bowl losses. And that is

1199
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: New York and there's a Boston New York rivalry. Um,

1200
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: you know that that all factors and just just acknowledge it.

1201
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna think any less of you. That's the Peyton

1202
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: Manning Colts and Broncos were like so much more hateable

1203
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: like they the Giants were just these teams that that

1204
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: popped up and the Patriots blew it. By then they

1205
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: had banked some Super Bowls to that. I'm not invat

1206
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: it all right, that's that's great. Um? What else? One more?

1207
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: One more Drake from Jeff Drake. Why do you act

1208
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: as Odell Beckham's publicists? Wait a minute, First of all,

1209
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: can you bring that up again? I just want to

1210
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: see the spelling of Odell Beckham here. It's oh, apostrophe

1211
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: capital d E L l Okay took the time to

1212
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: apostrophe that, but didn't apostrophe Beckham's plural acid. Yeah we

1213
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: usually don't, yeah grammar shame around here, but that one

1214
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: was pretty special. I think he's referring to an Irish

1215
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham that we don't even know about, potentially, but like, um,

1216
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: I think it's Beckham. Right. It's so absurd to suggest

1217
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: that we're a publicists. I think if anything, we've been

1218
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: like if I were to tilt us in one direction.

1219
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: It would be almost like overly critical, like not even

1220
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: willing to see the player sometimes and like look at

1221
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: the ode the Odell Beckham experience through a negative lens.

1222
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: I certainly did as a Browns fan. I think that

1223
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: he annoyed Dan both of us during parts of his

1224
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: Giant's run. I mean, we can see his critical of

1225
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham on this podcast for eight years basically now.

1226
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: But oh but oh apostrophe Dell Beckham. Yeah, maybe it's

1227
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: maybe we have been too charitable to him. I don't know. Yeah,

1228
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: you and You and West would wore on Odell a

1229
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: little bit because you know, Chris, Chris would say, how, look,

1230
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: I'd ever seen a receiver come into the league this good.

1231
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the answer. Maybe I'm the publicist because

1232
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: I ranked him so high in my top one to

1233
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: one and he's still sitting out there. Maybe rating him

1234
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: a little too highly in terms of what he can

1235
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: offer now. But the reason is because the first three

1236
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: years in the league were as impressive all over thirteen

1237
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: hundred yards a season a total Sensation literally led the

1238
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: league in yards per game as a rookie, um as

1239
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: any receiver we've seen him come into the league in

1240
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: a long, long time, and that just like put him

1241
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: on a place where his influence, his attention is outside.

1242
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's worth pointing out literally the

1243
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: last time we saw him on the field, he was

1244
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: sort of the difference in the team winning the Super

1245
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: Bowl and and and that's part of him. You're right,

1246
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: go ahead, grip Mark. Well, no, I would say, if

1247
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: we are doing a Odell Beckham to the Jets emergency

1248
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: show five hours from now, let's see how charitable I

1249
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: am on that front. Yeah, this is the Jeff Darlington.

1250
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: He was on one of the ESPN shows this morning.

1251
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: This was right up, get up, that's edgy. We should

1252
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: very much consider Odell Beckham Junior still on the table

1253
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: as an option for the New York Jets. In fact,

1254
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: we can go even further to say that both sides

1255
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: would still like to see this done. That sounds pretty strong.

1256
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: That's pretty stronger part reporting from Darlington. And if and

1257
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: if O'Dell Beckham does end up on the Jets, all

1258
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: I could say is what a wonderful player. I mean,

1259
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: but let's let's save that for the emergency podcast. I mean,

1260
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: he is a great player. It would be a sexy

1261
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver room if he ended up in there. But yes,

1262
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: the idea of pairing those two guys, Rogers and Beckham,

1263
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: it would be rather annoyingly well, I would there isn't

1264
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: there is, This will never happen. But I think it's been,

1265
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, fairly thought up by some that what if

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Speaker 1: they get Odell Beckham. They've shipped Elijah More out the door,

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Speaker 1: but then Odell Beckham is your your star here along

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Speaker 1: with Garrett and like suddenly there's no Rogers retires in

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Speaker 1: the eleventh hour and you've got Zach Wilson and Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 1: I am signing up to watch that unfold on public television.

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Speaker 1: Wait what was this? What was what? Did you just

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Speaker 1: lay that in a world where like they get Odell Beckham,

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Speaker 1: they get they get Alan Lazard, they get Odell Beckham,

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Speaker 1: and then Odell Beckham is like, you know, stunned to

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Speaker 1: discover that Aaron Rodgers out and his good friend apparently

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere retires and it's Zach Wilson and dealing

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Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham all next year. That would be tasty.

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Speaker 1: It's like week six. It sounds like you have some

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Speaker 1: unresolved Odell Beckham issues myself. Mark, it's like week six

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Speaker 1: and Goody is like, no, I am insisting on the

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Speaker 1: first round. Pick. I don't know why he's talking because

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Speaker 1: he's German. All Right, thank you everybody that's sent in questions.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Good week shows. We're back

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Don't be alarmed when you don't see us

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Speaker 1: on Monday, especially after the Marshannon conversation. And we'll be

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Speaker 1: back on Tuesday with another episode. Until then, this is

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Speaker 1: the old Zeuser signing off for Quiet Storm and the

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Speaker 1: Old Boss and the Grave Digger. Um, Greggy, I think

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Speaker 1: we had a little made a little progress on the

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Speaker 1: Giants thing today. I know you didn't say anything, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a little bit of progress. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what progress means in this context. He's

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Speaker 1: a call s