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Speaker 1: We're hanging out in northern Michigan. Supposed to be on vacation,

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Speaker 2: You were like, you know what, I think I'll go

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Speaker 3: Off season will be done.

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Speaker 2: Hold up, the Tigers have been playing chicken with some

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Speaker 2: that what was happening with Jack Flaherty. He joined our

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Speaker 3: Like, Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you want to maybe come down

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's what happened here? And then obviously

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Speaker 3: In your mind?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this one kind of fell into the

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Speaker 1: Jack wanted eighty ninety one hundred million dollars, and with

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Speaker 4: Are they better?

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Speaker 5: I mean, let's just get right to it. Are they

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Speaker 4: Cody, are they done? That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 4: Are they done?

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Speaker 1: I don't think Arnado had any interest in coming to Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Dang it, Hobby bias just is hurting the Tiger.

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Speaker 5: There's chances of getting this, but where they where do

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Speaker 6: So listen, he can't ended up in Detroit place. He

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Speaker 4: One day.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we have him on one side, Scooble on the other.

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Speaker 6: We can have a great show. Scott can sit it out,

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Speaker 6: all right, Cody. Maybe we could even have you come on.

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Speaker 6: It's not that far Lakeland or Land.

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Speaker 3: That's called Tiger Territory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we we had scoobl on. He's he's great. That'd

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Speaker 4: Like this, Come on, why not you?

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Speaker 6: It'd be great if they were all sitting here Scott

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Speaker 1: So they if they get Bregman, we can add Bregman

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Speaker 3: That's right, Hey, I'm getting into it. You know.

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Speaker 2: One of our regulars, d Ride in the chat says,

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Speaker 1: I think that gave some teams pause, maybe even the Tigers.

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Speaker 3: You need a starter, all right, copeck yep.

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Speaker 2: But I think Dodger fans were like, we are dropping

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Speaker 2: All right, Cody, Great to have you on, man, appreciate

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Scott doesn't pay attention, so read No I did.

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Speaker 2: I did, Adrian, I did pay attention, I said, everyone good,

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Speaker 2: No one replied, I'm looking at the check.

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Speaker 4: Checked the check the text Scott check It.

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Speaker 2: Says eight seconds ago, which is when I was saying bye,

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Speaker 4: O producer lady replied, so that is not true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it had said now it's been let's say,

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Speaker 3: But go ahead, go ahead, no read.

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Speaker 6: I thought you're going to read the tweet, Cody, he's out.

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Speaker 6: You're in, all right, Cody. So you said you're on

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Speaker 6: vacation in northern Michigan. What the hell do you do

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you got to make other people happy. We

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Speaker 1: Today held off just for you guys. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the real good content. Yeah good.

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Speaker 2: We'll have Cody again live in four hours on FT

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Speaker 1: Okay, right exactly. Hey, hopefully that doesn't go down tonight

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Speaker 2: De Rod's one of our OG's. He always comments on

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Speaker 2: I do want to make sure that I document that part.

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Speaker 2: When something comes out publicly, Guys tell me if I'm

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Speaker 3: They go, oh, the Yankees said no.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that just because the Yankees, just because

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Speaker 4: Out that hurts the player.

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Speaker 5: I have no backing, Just like you know, the Yankees

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Speaker 6: I give Ken some degree for this, But he would

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Speaker 4: It had to come from the Yankees.

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Speaker 6: There's no well the way to put it, because Flarerty

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