Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: selectee Elliot and now your host Dane Brugler, David Hellman
Speaker 1: and Brian brought us. Well, welcome to the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: the third edition and the final edition this week from
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl Immobile, Alabama. Brian brought us from Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. No, Dan,
Speaker 1: the brain tonight. Now the smart scout flew the coop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy with all of the knowledge and the guy
Speaker 1: with all the knowledge, that's absolutely right. But we'll bring
Speaker 1: you some knowledge. And as we always do, we like
Speaker 1: it to investigate and educate. And we got a chance
Speaker 1: to see both teams practice today and what was surprising,
Speaker 1: David was the fact that pads. I wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 1: I was expecting, as you know, I was kind of
Speaker 1: thinking the NFL procedural how teams, you know, with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys a Wednesday full pads, then shoulder pads and shorts
Speaker 1: and then you know that kind of the shells look.
Speaker 1: But they went full pads today. I'm glad you mentioned
Speaker 1: that because we said last night, oh, I point the
Speaker 1: finger at mid that's you know, and I mean, I
Speaker 1: trust you with that. You're the old personnel guy. So
Speaker 1: we got to the stadium. I was working on a story,
Speaker 1: wasn't really looking at practice, and I look up fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes in and I'm like, well, hey, they're they're in
Speaker 1: pads full pads. Yeah, and I just assumed I misheard you. No,
Speaker 1: I you know what, No, you did not misheard me,
Speaker 1: but I will. I mean, you're here for five days
Speaker 1: to evaluate sixty seventy summer odd draft prospects, right, and
Speaker 1: they're not going to play another football game until July.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was okay with that because I thought there,
Speaker 1: I thought the practice and did you notice today everybody's
Speaker 1: complaining about the practices that with the difference between the
Speaker 1: Bears and the Browns, But you see what I was
Speaker 1: talking about with the Browns appear to be doing more teaching. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then there was more, but there was some good periods.
Speaker 1: I thought both teams, you know, had some good I
Speaker 1: you know me, I get so much out of all
Speaker 1: the one on one stuff actually, and you know what's
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. And I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just biased because I watched the Cowboys so much more.
Speaker 1: People when they go to Dallas, players like rave about
Speaker 1: how competitive and Garrett loves to put his guys in
Speaker 1: competitive situations. I didn't feel like I saw as much
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, like a Cowboys training camp practice
Speaker 1: features a lot of one on one, right, there's the
Speaker 1: compete period where everybody goes in front of the team
Speaker 1: and kind of stretch their stuff. You saw there was
Speaker 1: some of that, but it wasn't one the one on
Speaker 1: one the receivers. Yeah, things that we would and are
Speaker 1: back in the day. And by the way, Kent Garrison
Speaker 1: executive producer of this thing, because it brings it up
Speaker 1: because Kent's idea about you know, training camp, live, Ota live,
Speaker 1: all those things, you know, when we used to show that,
Speaker 1: because you're always right in the middle of it. I
Speaker 1: think if we were filming there, like last year, we
Speaker 1: had some basically some Senior Bowl live on the field
Speaker 1: that was one on one, and I think we would
Speaker 1: always I always find myself going towards that direction of
Speaker 1: watching those. I would have liked to have seen some
Speaker 1: more of it today, honestly, at least that's the impression
Speaker 1: that I got. Yeah, but yeah, so well, you know,
Speaker 1: what we were again, it's the it's the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: or one of the staffs, and then the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: or the other. This was the final real practice, so
Speaker 1: they've kicked this out now. We don't get to watch
Speaker 1: the walkthrough tomorrow, and then the game will be on
Speaker 1: the NFL Network on Saturday at one thirty, So if
Speaker 1: you want to check that out, please feel free to
Speaker 1: do so. They will be all over that coverage and
Speaker 1: then we'll probably break it down a little bit for you.
Speaker 1: We get the tape in from one of these teams,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be able to sit and watch it
Speaker 1: and then have some really some follow up about it
Speaker 1: on the Draft show come next Thursday. Okay, I always
Speaker 1: like to ask you this. I don't mean to make
Speaker 1: it a broad question, but with the guys today, is
Speaker 1: there anybody different? Are we starting to see or is
Speaker 1: it not starting? Is it the same guys that the O. J.
Speaker 1: Howards of the world and people like that that we
Speaker 1: keep keeps seeing, keeps seeing. But is there anybody that
Speaker 1: that is has risen? And maybe not from yesterday but
Speaker 1: into today, there there definitely is one. Let me see
Speaker 1: your roster real quick, because I left mine in my
Speaker 1: room ware to be prepared to I know that's my bad. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: there's one that I know right at the top of
Speaker 1: my head. I gotta get the other. Okay, I got
Speaker 1: it now. And we talked about him last night. Russeul
Speaker 1: Douglas flashed at me today. I thought he was outstanding.
Speaker 1: I thought he'd like the length, the reach and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. The length is awesome, Like he's six two legiti.
Speaker 1: That's his that's his way in light, that's nots. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a good vision for him initially when
Speaker 1: you watched the West Virginia tape. I thought there were
Speaker 1: some times where he really didn't cover all that well
Speaker 1: eight picks as a senior at West Virginia. He was
Speaker 1: all over his guys today. And the best part I
Speaker 1: wrote about this for a story I'm writing tomorrow. He
Speaker 1: he made like a really athletic play down the sideline
Speaker 1: on Zay Jones, where it was like some Byron Jones
Speaker 1: Mo Clayborne type stuff where he was over the guy's shoulder, Uh,
Speaker 1: breaking up a pass that I really didn't look like
Speaker 1: he had a chance at getting to. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you wrote about this a little bit too. With
Speaker 1: the Yukon safety is that you worry about, you know,
Speaker 1: your your movement and your ability and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Uh you want me to say it for obi Obik
Speaker 1: safety six four two twenty. Yeah. But and and uh
Speaker 1: uh Rusul Douglas. I don't know why I can't say
Speaker 1: this guy's name. He moved surprisingly well for a guy
Speaker 1: who's as big as he is, I thought, especially he's
Speaker 1: not playing safety, he's playing corner right, So I really
Speaker 1: liked him. And then um, Jordan willis the Kansas State
Speaker 1: defensive end. Who I know what you? I know you
Speaker 1: said you hadn't noticed him, but Yean was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah he looked fast and losev out there today.
Speaker 1: Go okay, specifically, sure, I always talk about left end
Speaker 1: right end. He was playing left end because and the
Speaker 1: only reason folks, I say this out there about left
Speaker 1: in right in is that that's the way that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys evaluate their board. They will have a designation of
Speaker 1: all the left ends. They'll have a board with all
Speaker 1: or not a board, but a separate category of all
Speaker 1: the right ends, all the one techniques and all the
Speaker 1: three techniques, which and I I hate listening to you
Speaker 1: talk about because everybody's a left end. But but that's
Speaker 1: the problem with this foot kid. They don't have mean
Speaker 1: but this kid, based on what we know, I would
Speaker 1: say he's a right end. But he played left end
Speaker 1: his entire college career and right pretty damn good at it.
Speaker 1: Right had seventeen and a half tackles for loss at
Speaker 1: left end, and I think he had eleven sacks as
Speaker 1: a senior coming from left end. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I know that he was kicking the
Speaker 1: right tackles. But today he was getting around the corner.
Speaker 1: He wasn't giving the guy a chance. I think you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you don't sack the quarterback in practices like this,
Speaker 1: but if you did, I think he would have had
Speaker 1: three today. Yeah, so that the pressure was definitely there
Speaker 1: for Okay, well from what okay from how would you
Speaker 1: compare him to what you've seen from some of the
Speaker 1: teammates on his on his on that side, though, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you asked that question, let me and let me
Speaker 1: ask you this because on that on that particular team,
Speaker 1: if you remember, there's Deshan hall Is on that team,
Speaker 1: and he's and then uh Past sagon is on that
Speaker 1: team as well, and we talked about him. But and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus. We're
Speaker 1: a Texas based team and he plays at A and M.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of aggies listening. I came
Speaker 1: into the week with him on my radar thinking he
Speaker 1: was going to be because screamer. He's from A and
Speaker 1: M and he's a big name and he played with Garrett.
Speaker 1: I don't remember him doing anything this week, am I See?
Speaker 1: That's the total? I mean, this is this is the
Speaker 1: This is the problem that you really run into when
Speaker 1: you're at the Senior Bowl and you're trying to watch
Speaker 1: so much of the field and you're you're right, and
Speaker 1: you're watching, you're watching a corner cover in one on
Speaker 1: one when Hall might be winning a rep, and then
Speaker 1: it comes back around and you don't see him right.
Speaker 1: And that's why we you know, I like to sit
Speaker 1: in the press box where we do, because at least
Speaker 1: you have a chance to see the whole field. And
Speaker 1: there's scouts that are just responsible for, Hey, let me
Speaker 1: watch the one on one pass rush stuff. Let me
Speaker 1: watch the one on one wide receiver defensive back stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you see Hall do anything. I tell you what, though,
Speaker 1: there are some things with Hall where I felt like
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with what you're saying totally. I
Speaker 1: mean I think there's a part of me though. I
Speaker 1: did see him win a couple of different times, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did how many times you know exactly? Well,
Speaker 1: when we get back to Dallas and we sit there
Speaker 1: at the Star and we have all that practice tape,
Speaker 1: you know you'll be able to see him go rep
Speaker 1: after rep after rep. I see. I was the opposite though,
Speaker 1: on the on the Willis kid, because I didn't see
Speaker 1: him win like that. And you know, here you are,
Speaker 1: you're you've you've obviously done your homework on the player
Speaker 1: and you know the player, but you but to me,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the consistency of winning. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's but that's but that's like you say, you're watching
Speaker 1: you know, separate. That's the fun he was He kicked
Speaker 1: a butt in the spam about fifteen minutes at full
Speaker 1: team today. Who I mean, who knows what he did yesterday?
Speaker 1: And that's the tricky part is, Yeah, you're trying to
Speaker 1: watch about sixty guys at once. Is it possible that,
Speaker 1: like rain Dakota. He's quote unquote a gamer, sure, and
Speaker 1: I want to see what he does in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that you knew that Aggie was gonna speak.
Speaker 1: I gotta defend my boy. Yeah, well I thought you
Speaker 1: were talking about Willows, So I thought that so he
Speaker 1: was talking about Yeah, let me ask you something, Dave,
Speaker 1: and and and by the way, we're gonna play a
Speaker 1: little game we're gonna do. Uh, we're gonna finish up
Speaker 1: some of our talk here about the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: what we saw today. But I also want to do
Speaker 1: a little bit more of the twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 1: I want to give people the opportunity if they have
Speaker 1: some draft questions. Uh, we're kind of without our crutch here,
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler. You know, we're like sixty guys in He's
Speaker 1: it's like having a super computer. Yeah, exactly. So you know,
Speaker 1: if your questions are about players, we'll try and do
Speaker 1: our best to answer them to the best of our
Speaker 1: We got plenty of questions. Absolutely, And I also want
Speaker 1: to play a little game with you, Dave, and can't
Speaker 1: you guys can play along here and at home, maybe
Speaker 1: you will. This is really this is some questions I've
Speaker 1: just called this the Draft Show questions, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them have to do with the Cowboys. So you know,
Speaker 1: I just kind of want to use your expertise on
Speaker 1: this football team today since we're missing Dame, I want
Speaker 1: to use your expertise to talk about some draft questions.
Speaker 1: I can't positions and things like that. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into that. We're gonna do. We're gonna do this
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff Twitter on the twenty and then we'll
Speaker 1: do the Draft questions and put a big bow on
Speaker 1: this sou But let me ask you this though, any
Speaker 1: running backs and that was a subject that we got into,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to revisit you know what we
Speaker 1: were talking about. Yeah, we talked about but were there
Speaker 1: any running back that stood out to you of this group?
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm and im and I'll let you
Speaker 1: have the sheet right there. If there's anybody that jumped
Speaker 1: out at you, I said yesterday for the okay, and
Speaker 1: this actually works perfectly. I loved Hunt and Clement right
Speaker 1: from the North team, Yes right, I thought they were great.
Speaker 1: And then today, Uh, the kid who really jumped out
Speaker 1: at me was this Jamal Williams from Brigham Young there
Speaker 1: you go. H He had a couple of plays. He
Speaker 1: had one today where he cuts, he bounced it to
Speaker 1: the outside and beat two or three different defensive backs
Speaker 1: to the corner, didn't just beat him, but then kept
Speaker 1: getting yards like it was a lot like those plays
Speaker 1: we saw from Zeke all during football season where you're
Speaker 1: just like, there's nothing, there's nothing, yeah, exactly. Uh. And
Speaker 1: he had one of those where I was just like, okay, dude,
Speaker 1: uh so I he was impressive and I kind of
Speaker 1: I did some research on him after that play. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, like this, this guy's a player.
Speaker 1: This isn't this isn't a nobody you know you mentioned
Speaker 1: And that's Kareem Hunt from Toledo. Yeah, and what I
Speaker 1: love that? Yeah. And I'll tell you what I like
Speaker 1: about Kareem Hunt. You know, not knowing much about him
Speaker 1: until you know Dane had talked about him as a
Speaker 1: guy coming in that Hey you need to watch you
Speaker 1: need to see this guy. What I noticed one with
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt, I noticed a physical runner with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. Today. I saw two things. I was
Speaker 1: really happy with him. I saw him as a blitz protector.
Speaker 1: You know, they were screaming off the edge. They were
Speaker 1: rushing guys in the middle, and he was stepping up
Speaker 1: and taking guys on and and and the specifically Hanson
Speaker 1: Riddick from Temple, who has been you know, you know,
Speaker 1: exc Hassan Riddick, you know, and I and I and
Speaker 1: I think it's get it kind of finally I'll get
Speaker 1: this name, right, Jared Golf, Yeah, Jerry Golf, but no,
Speaker 1: but yeah, with with with with him with Riddick. I
Speaker 1: said it right that time, Reddick. It's fine. Well, the
Speaker 1: Temple guy, we got it, the Temple guy, Reddick. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing about it is to me, he
Speaker 1: was taking him on and he there was, and he
Speaker 1: was difficult to block. I said on yesterday's show that
Speaker 1: his his pre pre Senior Bowl weight was two twenty five.
Speaker 1: He's only like two oh eight. He's I gave him
Speaker 1: too much credit. But he doesn't play he plays big,
Speaker 1: he looks he plays like a load, right. He's not
Speaker 1: afraid to block, He's not afraid to put his pads down. No, no,
Speaker 1: And he caught the ball well today two and the
Speaker 1: one on one stuff as I saw as well, forty
Speaker 1: one receptions for four hundred yards as a senior at
Speaker 1: Toledo this year. So so there you go, that complete
Speaker 1: and that's you know, I feel like everybody's looking. Everybody's
Speaker 1: looking for that guy who can get in here at
Speaker 1: twenty eight and make a difference and help get this
Speaker 1: team past the divisional round of the playoffs. I get that,
Speaker 1: But that's the type of stuff that excites me. Is
Speaker 1: the guy that's going to be there on Saturday afternoon
Speaker 1: who can sneakily make this team a lot better. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you don't need him to start, you have his Snekuel Elliott,
Speaker 1: but a guy like that can make this team a
Speaker 1: lot better. Infused some youth into your running back corps,
Speaker 1: give you some great depth, a versatile guy. But I
Speaker 1: mean that you're basically talking about merging the skill sets
Speaker 1: of Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar into one guy. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to have to draft a guy like that.
Speaker 1: I think I think they need to either draft a
Speaker 1: running back or sign a priority free agent. I mean,
Speaker 1: you remember Thomas Rawls. Uh, you know, dunch Jarius Jackson
Speaker 1: was a sixth round pick. He probably might have gone undrafted.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to let him get to that point.
Speaker 1: I think a guy like that would be good for
Speaker 1: this team with what the depth behind Zeke looks like.
Speaker 1: Disappointing player. I saw you mentioned this. I'll give you,
Speaker 1: I'll give you well, I already said Dashawan Hall. I
Speaker 1: thought I was disappointed based on the hype, based on
Speaker 1: you know, all this season, I've been hearing like, well,
Speaker 1: Garrett's good, but keep your eye on Dashawn Hall. This
Speaker 1: guy's a beast. So that was disappointing. And then you
Speaker 1: mentioned this Traven Darrell, Ravn Durrell not a great, not
Speaker 1: just a everything. Every WAH week seemed like that. Every receiver,
Speaker 1: every time you looked up, there was a receiver where
Speaker 1: It's Chad Williams from the Grambling Kid, Josh Reynolds Switzer. Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked about Ross making some plays from my guy
Speaker 1: Cup yeah, Cup everywhere. Yeah. I mean these guys were
Speaker 1: everywhere making plays. I couldn't. I specifically watched him today
Speaker 1: thinking because I'm like, I haven't seen him, and I
Speaker 1: thought David, I thought he was hurt. I thought he
Speaker 1: was hurt. I didn't see him at all, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm watching Okay, let's find him
Speaker 1: wearing the white helmets today, which I absolutely hate. I
Speaker 1: know you love. It makes him harder to find him,
Speaker 1: it does. And so I'm watching him and obviously he
Speaker 1: needed to wear the gold helmets. I needed to find him.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think he I think these practices have
Speaker 1: been terrible for him, not great. I really do. And
Speaker 1: for somebody coming in that we thought might have And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of names. I mean, this wide receiver
Speaker 1: group really stretches, and now you're trying to elevate yourself
Speaker 1: into a position where well, and and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you make he bates everything on the Senior Bowl. I
Speaker 1: will say this. Al Davis back in the day for
Speaker 1: the Raiders, he used to draft players off how well
Speaker 1: they played in the Senior Bowl. That was something that
Speaker 1: was important to him. I really I like the I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the only and Dane, I'm stealing a line
Speaker 1: from Dane, but this is the only time during the
Speaker 1: entire draft process where you get to watch people play football, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that's important. Um, And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't want to discredit everything. And Travan Daraile is
Speaker 1: probably familiar with this. His quarterback play was not great
Speaker 1: this week wasn't great his entire college. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: other receivers had to deal with the same issues. I'm
Speaker 1: just looking for a guy that, you know, if you
Speaker 1: talk about the measurables, yeah, you talk about the size,
Speaker 1: you talk about you know, at six one two h six,
Speaker 1: and we've seen him make plays and and you know,
Speaker 1: the receiver play, I mean it's gonna be the quarterback
Speaker 1: play at l issue wasn't great, but we've seen these kids,
Speaker 1: these kids this week be bad ball catchers. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: couldn't separate and when he did separate, they threw it
Speaker 1: to him and he dropped the ball. So I mean
Speaker 1: that that, to me was very disappointing in a group
Speaker 1: of receivers that seemed to have some guys who were
Speaker 1: able to elevate their games. No, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else, who else disappointed me
Speaker 1: that that's okay? There's one that the offensive lineman disappoints you, David.
Speaker 1: I think I'm disappointed that Forrest Lamp didn't get to
Speaker 1: do the whole I was gonna same thing about your
Speaker 1: Davious White, the other LSU kid is I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not his fault. But he didn't get to finish the week.
Speaker 1: He's hurt. Ryan Anderson got hurt. He didn't go today.
Speaker 1: He's gonna try to play in the game. But so
Speaker 1: you're talking, I mean Ryan Anderson was a leader on
Speaker 1: Alabama and Trey White before your starter at LSU. Lamp
Speaker 1: is supposedly the best offensive lineman here. So you're talking
Speaker 1: about three of your better prospects who kind of faded
Speaker 1: out of practice this week. Yeah. Well, the thing about
Speaker 1: it too, we wanted to see Lamp play some guard.
Speaker 1: That That's where I wanted because it's a projection if
Speaker 1: you watch him play at Western Kentucky. Excuse me. He
Speaker 1: is a guy that plays left tackle, so they were
Speaker 1: going to give him an opportunity to play some guard
Speaker 1: this week. I wanted to see how that you know
Speaker 1: is we remember it very well being here and watching
Speaker 1: and watching Zack Martin play both tackle and guard. He
Speaker 1: was and play against Aaron Donald, superstar. He like he
Speaker 1: stole the show. And it's hard to steal the show
Speaker 1: when you're an offensive lineman, right because it's not flashy work.
Speaker 1: But he stole the Senior Bowl in twenty fourteen. I
Speaker 1: got one for you, um and we've we've talked about him.
Speaker 1: We don't have to get too into it. But twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen Thorpe Award winner, I was hoping to see more
Speaker 1: of something from Desmond King than just you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the board has changed already from
Speaker 1: what it was last year. People were saying he might
Speaker 1: he was a he was a big time guy in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Now you're thinking of him as like more
Speaker 1: of a second round I don't know, you know, last
Speaker 1: year he would have been a first round player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have been drafted probably, And I don't think
Speaker 1: I saw anything at these practices where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's a baller like and that's that's really all
Speaker 1: you can look for, Like you're saying, when you're not
Speaker 1: you're not watching tape, watching rewind after rewind, you get
Speaker 1: one rep and then you move your attention somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him do anything amazing this entire way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm focused a little bit too on the look the slam,
Speaker 1: a little bit for the offensive line, because you know
Speaker 1: we are talking a little bit about the Walker guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, I'm just trying to figure out could be
Speaker 1: a guy, could there be a guy that the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, and trust me, I've got some questions for
Speaker 1: you about that twenty eighth pick. I'm excited, but you know,
Speaker 1: and and you know Zach Banner. We haven't really talked
Speaker 1: much about Zach Banner, the massive tackle from USC. Plays
Speaker 1: right tackle at USC, and they moved him over to
Speaker 1: the left side today, and I to me, I was
Speaker 1: interested to see if he was going to get exposed
Speaker 1: over there. Did he didn't feel like he did? Didn't
Speaker 1: feel like he did, felt like that maybe he was
Speaker 1: going to have some problems with some rush off the edge.
Speaker 1: Dane thinks he's a little bit slow footed guy. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with Dane on that, but there's tape you
Speaker 1: could watch him at USC and him, you know, having
Speaker 1: to play against Alabama the opening day, a little bit
Speaker 1: of trouble there. That's the kind of guy, Tim Williams,
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna him, Yeah, exactly, They're gonna give
Speaker 1: you some problems doing that. But I didn't think he
Speaker 1: got totally exposed playing on the on the left side.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm interested if they go ahead in
Speaker 1: this game and continue to play him on that left side.
Speaker 1: To see you know, hey, give give NFL scouts the
Speaker 1: opportunity to see him play over there. I love to
Speaker 1: hear that, because I mean, the Dallas Cowboys do not
Speaker 1: need a left tackle right, but they might need eighth Well,
Speaker 1: they need tackle is a bigger need than I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people would want to admit because
Speaker 1: Doug Free has struggled. He's also in the last year
Speaker 1: of his deal. Chaz Green has played four out of
Speaker 1: thirty two possible games thirty four if you know, thirty
Speaker 1: three if you count the playoffs. Sure, yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel good, I feel fine for twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: but that might be something you want to look at.
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody's gonna blow up my mentions about
Speaker 1: moving Lile Collins out there, but you're also probably losing
Speaker 1: Ron Leary. So that means, I mean, the line is
Speaker 1: obviously fine, but it's something you got to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. So I'm down to draft an offensive tackle
Speaker 1: and in this draft, honestly, if it falls the way.
Speaker 1: So that we kind of felt like though there were
Speaker 1: some guys that helped themselves, yeah, some guys that didn't
Speaker 1: do some will to have the opportunity. Maybe, like Kent
Speaker 1: was talking about, you get some gamers. Yeah, maybe these
Speaker 1: guys are Yeah that were gamers. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I think that when you watch the practices, I mean
Speaker 1: that tells you a lot about these kids and how
Speaker 1: they compete and work against And some of these kids
Speaker 1: did a nice job I think during this week, and
Speaker 1: well to Kent's point, I mean somebody who had a
Speaker 1: bad week, Travan Dural could go out there and throw
Speaker 1: up four catches and then then they'll talk about this
Speaker 1: next week in the draft shows. Absolutely and you could
Speaker 1: have You could practice great when the cameras aren't on
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Speaker 1: too because we've talked about him. So I guess people
Speaker 1: are curious Aiden and then friend of the show Bobby Um.
Speaker 1: They want to know, how do you how much do
Speaker 1: you think that Cooper Cup has elevated himself and has he?
Speaker 1: I mean has he to you? He's the best receiver
Speaker 1: that's been here in my opinion, is he the best
Speaker 1: receiver that's been here this week. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though, And you know, I really like what I've
Speaker 1: seen with with Cooper cup Uh. You know, coming in,
Speaker 1: I'd seen him when I was watching Youngstown State. I
Speaker 1: was actually watching the game. Yeah, that that playoff game,
Speaker 1: And I told you it was frigid conditions, snow cold,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and he was making play after play
Speaker 1: after playing that football game. And so you know, he
Speaker 1: comes here with some pro coaching, uh and is able
Speaker 1: to uh to translate his game translates very well. Uh.
Speaker 1: They put him on the outside. He's a he's an
Speaker 1: outstanding route runner. He knows how to get open. Someone was,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of comparing there was a kid game
Speaker 1: Cole Danny Cole that they drafted here, and was he
Speaker 1: Danzy Danny Cole. No, he's a better route runner. He's
Speaker 1: a more savvy route runner. He's a I think he's
Speaker 1: a better receiver reception wise with the hands and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But the routes he finds ways to get open.
Speaker 1: He could beat separation. He's really good along the sidelines too.
Speaker 1: Coming back for the football, he understands how to get
Speaker 1: his feet and bounce. These are all things very positive.
Speaker 1: I think that that the scouts knew about him, The
Speaker 1: scouts knew about him, the fans now are starting to
Speaker 1: learn about him. And yeah, I think that he's done
Speaker 1: everything that he did at Eastern Washington. And Dane even
Speaker 1: said the stat last night forty something receptions you know
Speaker 1: against PAC twelve opponents and a large number of touchdowns
Speaker 1: as well. Let me ask you this, I remember talking
Speaker 1: about this last year at the Senior Bowl. We were
Speaker 1: so high on Braxton Miller based on these practices and
Speaker 1: then he kind of came down to earth and kind
Speaker 1: of are we is this like the Senior Bowl bump,
Speaker 1: Like he's a good player, But Braxton Miller at receiver,
Speaker 1: it was his first yeah, first year been this. This
Speaker 1: guy's a legitimate Yeah, he's been in There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of there's a bunch of PAC twelve teams right now
Speaker 1: that are probably like going, what were we thinking and recruiting.
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you see a player like
Speaker 1: god to just emerge and nothing against Eastern Washington. They're
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. It's a quality program. But when you're
Speaker 1: when you see kids like that, players thinking Okay, why
Speaker 1: did we not recruit I bet you he's a second
Speaker 1: round pick, but he's not there when the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: in the second round because basically, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I think people will
Speaker 1: take you. Now this this draft is pretty deep for
Speaker 1: receivers though. Yeah, So when it gets all said and done,
Speaker 1: we'll have an opportunity to get to the combine to
Speaker 1: start ranking these guys where they are. So I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. It's something It's a
Speaker 1: question we talked about off the air. Everybody wants defense.
Speaker 1: That's understandable, Right, would you rather draft like a top
Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be some good receivers there at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, right, Maybe not pass rushers. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are on board with this,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are not. As far as
Speaker 1: the concept of maybe taking a wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: first round of this draft, I think there's you know,
Speaker 1: and and let's do this. One of my questions deals
Speaker 1: with that and and and it's not specific to the
Speaker 1: wide receiver, but I want to include it in with
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. So when we do that, if
Speaker 1: we can get to that end, and I promise we'll
Speaker 1: get to that. I'll get to that question. Promise I will. Okay,
Speaker 1: we talked about Carol Phillips earlier this week. Illinois Johnny
Speaker 1: just wants to know about his week in general. What
Speaker 1: you thought, not a guy that you knew a lot
Speaker 1: about going, didn't know a whole lot about him. Knew
Speaker 1: more about Smoot. But I'll tell you what. One of
Speaker 1: those guys that showed up every practice, there was a
Speaker 1: guy that was it was. He plays with tremendous passion.
Speaker 1: He hustles, He's got some really he's got skill, He's
Speaker 1: got explosive quickness. He can get around the corner, he
Speaker 1: can run to the football, he could chase all those
Speaker 1: things that you really really like. I like the fact
Speaker 1: they put his hand down and let him go, let
Speaker 1: him rush a couple of times too. I thought that
Speaker 1: was I thought. I thought he did himself proud. I
Speaker 1: thought both Illinois kids, him and Smooth, I thought, did
Speaker 1: a nice job this week showing their athletic ability. Tony
Speaker 1: Underwood wants to know what you thought about korn Elder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Miami kids had a pick today. Sure, did you
Speaker 1: know what. I noticed him a little bit. I didn't
Speaker 1: notice him as much yesterday, noticed him today with the pick,
Speaker 1: played him in the slot, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: smaller guy. But I'll tell you what though, I liked
Speaker 1: the movement skill there, I really really do. I like
Speaker 1: the fact that he could play on the outside, but
Speaker 1: also I think he might be a better player inside day.
Speaker 1: I think when you start to say, you know, we
Speaker 1: saw what Anthony Brown was able to do Leano coming
Speaker 1: into the league, I think he's initially going to start
Speaker 1: playing inside, yeah, and then work his way back to
Speaker 1: the outside. But there's some there's movement skill there, there's
Speaker 1: ball skills obviously with the interception today and the fact
Speaker 1: he played in a program where he had to play
Speaker 1: against a lot of quality receivers, especially Miami playing against
Speaker 1: you can watch the game against, you know, against Clemsons
Speaker 1: and those types of teams in the world. He can
Speaker 1: hold his own. Remember like five years ago when the
Speaker 1: ACC was a joke and now it's a juggern they
Speaker 1: got the national champion from rolling out of that to
Speaker 1: vision Dustin Justin, we're talking about the guys that are here.
Speaker 1: Um who what pass rusher impressed you? The most this week.
Speaker 1: You know what I think when I look at just
Speaker 1: the overall if you said the Edge Rushers, I really
Speaker 1: really really liked what I saw from Smoot. I really,
Speaker 1: I really do. And I know I talked to him,
Speaker 1: I talked about him earlier. I also I think that
Speaker 1: that was the one we kind of addressed Hall. We
Speaker 1: dressed the kid from Villanova a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: the kid and I wrote about this from about the
Speaker 1: Villanova kid when they were doing the circle drill and if, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did look stiff, didn't It's hard not to be
Speaker 1: stiff when you're that gigantic. But how about though, when
Speaker 1: you see David Urban does David Irban had six seven
Speaker 1: looks stiff? Not really see It's what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: it's hard, and you're right about that, it's hard to
Speaker 1: not But what I was talking about, folks, if you
Speaker 1: read are my story tonight on Dallas Cowboys dot com,
Speaker 1: the circle drill is actually what it is. It's a
Speaker 1: complete It's like a giant hula hoop, right okay, And
Speaker 1: they put the quarterback bag at one end of the hula.
Speaker 1: Who about and it's all about bending and they did
Speaker 1: a great job of show when the Browns coaches showed
Speaker 1: you about these kids ability to turn the corner and bend.
Speaker 1: And he didn't bend all that well. And so that's
Speaker 1: something you know. And I thought that if you played
Speaker 1: him wide, he has a better chance to rush as
Speaker 1: opposed to playing him tight. But when he played tight
Speaker 1: tight meaning near head up or inside, he was able
Speaker 1: to take the inside gap and do a little bit
Speaker 1: better than when he played why. This is something that
Speaker 1: I noticed while I was writing my story for Friday,
Speaker 1: The Reddick Guy, Temple Reddick on Reddick, he's small. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's six one, yeah, two forty seven. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: like I mean, he and he he was a beast.
Speaker 1: He was great all week. He was well. The fact
Speaker 1: with him, Yeah, the fact with him, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the defensive ends, the rushers, the pass rushers. He's the
Speaker 1: one guy. Though when you talk about this that like
Speaker 1: if try and find a spot and Nickel play, Like,
Speaker 1: what what would the Cowboys do with him? He would
Speaker 1: be a lot like Damon Wilson. I believe so you
Speaker 1: he would be a stand up linebacker. I think he's
Speaker 1: a stand up linebacker and and he might even be
Speaker 1: a better a better Kyle Wilbur. But Kyle Wilbur is
Speaker 1: always around the ball. How many times spalls on the ground,
Speaker 1: Kyle Wilbur and he's always doing something. But to me,
Speaker 1: this kid is that type of Dai Damian Wilson's plays
Speaker 1: the Sam linebacker. Maybe he played his kid as at
Speaker 1: will and just let him run to the football. I
Speaker 1: just and I don't know. Maybe it's not fair that
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli's scheme scares me when it comes to like
Speaker 1: hybrid tweener guys like I just I don't trust that
Speaker 1: they're gonna figure out what to do with a guy
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a true position like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why you know, I don't see they're never
Speaker 1: drafting like a tired Matthew type or any of those
Speaker 1: linebacker safety hybrids. People ask me today, is this scheme
Speaker 1: just too old school? And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the right. I don't think it's too old. It can work.
Speaker 1: It worked this year obviously not against Aaron Rodgers, but
Speaker 1: like it works. It's just it's very basic, and like
Speaker 1: that's Rod's entire ethos is like simplify it and just
Speaker 1: get guys knowing what they're supposed to do and getting
Speaker 1: to the football, and it can be devastating. I mean,
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands Bears teams kicked button running that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem with the scheme. I
Speaker 1: just don't think you're gonna see any type of overcomplicated
Speaker 1: or like anything you know, like the Todd Bowls and
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians type of defenses where there's all these fluid
Speaker 1: formations and maybe sometimes you only have too down linemen,
Speaker 1: like that's not Rod Marinelli's stuff. That's just not that's
Speaker 1: what you were You ever here. You were here for
Speaker 1: you were out here for Rob Rob Royan. See that's
Speaker 1: and Rob's scheme was too complicated, and that that was
Speaker 1: the problem. I kind of like the idea of having
Speaker 1: a really simple scheme that you can plug any idiot into,
Speaker 1: like honestly, and and it especially works if your talent's
Speaker 1: not that great either, I think. So I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with the scheme. I just think during the
Speaker 1: draft process, I'm just like, oh, that guy's probably not
Speaker 1: gonna wind up here because that's just not the way
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli does defense, and that you know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: not great, but it it's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: So Um, what else do we have? What else do
Speaker 1: we have? Oh? I got a Rod Marinelli question for
Speaker 1: you today too, by the way, Oh do you yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it? What is it about? What we were just
Speaker 1: get ready? Yeah? Yeah? So well okay, um, all right,
Speaker 1: here's one and then this is I actually I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you this, uh droove, And I like this
Speaker 1: because you're always saying this is a this is a
Speaker 1: draft show, not a Cowboys show. So and I know,
Speaker 1: you know it's early in the process, but he's he's
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little drafty with the cowboys though.
Speaker 1: Hearing him, I'm gonna play to your expertise, is what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. What do you think in general based
Speaker 1: on what you know about this quarterback class as it
Speaker 1: compares to other quarterback classes? And this, this guy's asking
Speaker 1: from the Bill's perspective, who pay top ten and have
Speaker 1: to make it? And this is gonna be this is
Speaker 1: gonna be tough because you know, what is what is
Speaker 1: the North Carolina kid? Asking Trubisky? What is he? What
Speaker 1: is the Notre Dame kid? What are any of them? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know he balled out against Alabama? What is
Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson, But is Deshaun Watson and you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: well again, that's another question I have. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you know, if you're one of those teams,
Speaker 1: from just what I've seen these quarterbacks at the senior ball,
Speaker 1: I don't think any one of these guys can help you.
Speaker 1: The six guys, I don't see any of these six guys.
Speaker 1: So you eliminate those guys. I think Dane even said
Speaker 1: he had like three of them had draftable grades. You know,
Speaker 1: of what he saw. I I would be I would
Speaker 1: be a I would be nervous. I would be really
Speaker 1: nervous just about what I know, the unknown of what
Speaker 1: I was talking about. The North Carolina, the Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: the Clemson. I personally think, I personally think the Clemson
Speaker 1: guy can play. I mean, I absolutely play. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think he could lead an NFL team. Is
Speaker 1: he a number one pick? And Jordan Dane quoted a
Speaker 1: personnel guy anonymously at the start of the week as saying,
Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett has to be the number one pick.
Speaker 1: I don't overcomplication. Oh no, no, yeah, I agree with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it's the only the only position that's worth
Speaker 1: unseating him for is a quarterback. And even if Watson
Speaker 1: or if any of those guys are good, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're good enough to merit that. And I feel,
Speaker 1: but every year, every ye Allen do enough for you
Speaker 1: that you would not take Miles Garrett. I like Jonathan
Speaker 1: Allen a lot, Yeah, like a lot a lot. And
Speaker 1: I love the fact, like he can play any position
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, right, But Garrett's just he's not Clowney,
Speaker 1: but he's like that Clowney type of athlete where he
Speaker 1: can just do a lot of stuff. If you compared
Speaker 1: him or Clowney, there's no way I would take Clowney
Speaker 1: every single day. I agree. I don't see Clowney here.
Speaker 1: I don't I see I see that a freakish level
Speaker 1: of athleticism though. Oh yeah, but that's what Clowney. I
Speaker 1: just Clowney could and I don't know. And the problem
Speaker 1: I have with with Miles Garrett is the fact that
Speaker 1: I have to I have to sit there and figure
Speaker 1: out when he's healthy and when he's not healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the problem I have. Guys telling me all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like, what games you watch? Well, I watched the
Speaker 1: Oh he wasn't healthy. Yeah, he's coming off. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's six percent in games, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's one hundred percent. You watch
Speaker 1: him last year, Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's we're gonna have to do because this year you
Speaker 1: do not get a clear understanding of what he is
Speaker 1: as a player. Maybe he gets the UCLA game, so
Speaker 1: maybe that's the first year. I mean, that's that's the
Speaker 1: healthiest he's gonna be. That's it. And I mean, Jonathan
Speaker 1: Allen's gonna be a top five pick if I had
Speaker 1: to guess. But you think he's better than Garrett? I
Speaker 1: think that teams. I think the teams are gonna I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some teams that might very well
Speaker 1: have Alan as their top, their top defensive lineman. Where
Speaker 1: do you think he fits better? Alan? Three? Four or
Speaker 1: forty three? Oh, I'm gonna play him in a three
Speaker 1: and a four three? Yeah, because I think he's a
Speaker 1: three technique and I don't. And I'm and what's so
Speaker 1: sad about this is I don't think he's Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has that Aaron Donald quickness. I
Speaker 1: think he's got more power than Aaron Donald, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he has Aaron Donald quickness. See that just
Speaker 1: tells you a bit how the draft is. Though for
Speaker 1: some of these defensive line you're looking at pro comparisons
Speaker 1: for Garrett and Alan, what would you say, we gotta
Speaker 1: figure that out. See that's that's the I mean, because
Speaker 1: people are gonna say they're gonna try and compare questions.
Speaker 1: They're gonna come no, No, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta figure out though, if you do
Speaker 1: believe he's clowney, like I don't think he's clowney, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, and I trust me, man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sit down and figure him out. Though, Like Kent
Speaker 1: was talking about, if you have to go back and
Speaker 1: look at the junior tape, because the senior tape coming back,
Speaker 1: coming back doesn't doesn't paint the picture really probably what
Speaker 1: the player is. The expectation was just speaking from an
Speaker 1: A and M perspective. The expectation was so high on
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and he got hurt and this was not
Speaker 1: the year he was supposed to have. This Aggie right
Speaker 1: here is just going bad for say he would have
Speaker 1: been if he had been healthy, he would have been
Speaker 1: in New York. You know, he's that kind of player. Wow,
Speaker 1: if he had been healthy, that's not Dane still has
Speaker 1: him as his number one player. I think he's pretty
Speaker 1: been hurt. I think Dane also had Laramy Tunsil as
Speaker 1: his number one player last year. Yeah, well a gas
Speaker 1: mask prevented him. Let me let me tell you this.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you. When you evaluate three hundred
Speaker 1: guys you're gonna have, you're gonna have one or two
Speaker 1: of them when you're not to tappy. Okay, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: new thing. But again, thanks to everybody out there that
Speaker 1: loves the Draft Show, that listens to it, that participates.
Speaker 1: We love the questions and we hope we're doing a
Speaker 1: great job for you guys. Okay, speaking of questions, I've
Speaker 1: got some Draft Show questions and these are gonna be
Speaker 1: really Cowboys specific because I want to use your expertise here. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Question I'll answer to question number one.
Speaker 1: More likely the Cowboys trading Tony Romo or moving up
Speaker 1: into the first round of the draft, moving into the
Speaker 1: top fifteen in the draft. More likely they trade Tony.
Speaker 1: I think that's moving in and do both moving in?
Speaker 1: Oh damn, what get a one more Tony more likely.
Speaker 1: More likely, it's more likely they deal Tony like I
Speaker 1: just maybe I I will be proven to be wrong.
Speaker 1: But something's got to give with that. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's something has to happen. You're not going in the
Speaker 1: next season with things the way they are, with the
Speaker 1: with the with the teams being small, probably Denver, Houston,
Speaker 1: maybe Chicago, if you're on a hometown deal, not you know,
Speaker 1: a home area thing. I think that depends on whether
Speaker 1: Tony thinks they can compete. Yeah. I just threw them
Speaker 1: in there as a but, but but you're you're small,
Speaker 1: if you're Houston or Denver. Do you offer Dallas anything
Speaker 1: or do you just know that Dallas is in such
Speaker 1: a hole with that contract that they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: let him go And you're gonna then you're gonna turn
Speaker 1: into like a Paint Manning situation where you have to recruit.
Speaker 1: Remember Manning headed Opportunity Arizona the number then, and yes
Speaker 1: I do remember that. Sorry to cut you off. The
Speaker 1: number of people who would become interested if he was
Speaker 1: a free agent, I feel like would grow. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they could necessarily get him for because
Speaker 1: he wants to go he'll pick and choose. But we're
Speaker 1: going to Tony Romo tour. But yeah, exactly, like I
Speaker 1: think you maybe make an offer to keep the peep
Speaker 1: the other teams out of it. I think the thing
Speaker 1: is is what are the Cowboys expectations of what they
Speaker 1: can get and are they willing to negotiate that? Like,
Speaker 1: let's I mean, Houston would probably give up a third
Speaker 1: round pick for Tony Romo maybe, or yeah, fourth or
Speaker 1: a third and as you know, a third exactly, Brett
Speaker 1: Farb went for a third and he had less left
Speaker 1: in the tank than Tony Romo does, I would argue.
Speaker 1: And so, but is that enough, especially when you're talking
Speaker 1: about the emotion that's involved in this, and Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: is like, that's Tony Romo, that's and he's our he's
Speaker 1: he's in the Ring of honor. We're not getting rid
Speaker 1: of him for a third round pick, No way. Is
Speaker 1: there a chance that neither happened? Of course, yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I would not put it past Jerry Jones to keep
Speaker 1: Tony Romo. Okay, if he doesn't get what he wants,
Speaker 1: there's a chance that neither happens. I don't see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys making a trade that big, because that's to move
Speaker 1: into the top fifteen. You're talking about giving up a
Speaker 1: decent amount of stuff to move that many spots, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're talking about that. That's something
Speaker 1: you do if you think you're one player away. I
Speaker 1: try to make it difficult, Yeah, Eno, training Romo and
Speaker 1: difficult moving up. Okay, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: very likely that neither one of those happens. But I
Speaker 1: still think somehow Tony Romo is not on this team
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. Let Terrence Williams and Bryce Butler both
Speaker 1: walk and draft or try to resign both. I have
Speaker 1: no interest in resigning both of them. So you want
Speaker 1: a draft? I honestly, and Terrence Williams is better than
Speaker 1: he gets credit for. He is. He's a willing blocker,
Speaker 1: he's a good teammate. He may he's got a pinch
Speaker 1: of for making big plays, but he's not so great
Speaker 1: that I want to pay what I think it's going
Speaker 1: to cost. So I'm already mentally moving on. So him
Speaker 1: Butler gone. You want a draft? Honestly, And like, Butler
Speaker 1: did not have a great year, but I'm thinking he's
Speaker 1: good enough and he's cheap. He should not be that
Speaker 1: expensive based on his audio of work. Bring him back
Speaker 1: on a very team friendly deal and then as your
Speaker 1: number four, and then draft a new number two. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot, eyeball test on
Speaker 1: Cup as opposed to the other two, if you could
Speaker 1: have Cup or Williams. I mean, but I love that.
Speaker 1: I love Cooper Cup. I think he's great, and if
Speaker 1: he you need to study him some more. But yeah,
Speaker 1: well not only that, but you're talking about a rookie
Speaker 1: going against other rookies in the Senior Bowl with guys
Speaker 1: they don't know, as opposed to four year pros who
Speaker 1: have played in the playoffs and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: I think your mind though, you have them both gone, Lances.
Speaker 1: I told you this yesterday. He's white Jarvis Landry, and
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry's a stud like he's a I want. I
Speaker 1: would want Cooper Cup on this team, and if he's there,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel comfortable drafting him at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, but I definitely feel comfortable drafting him in
Speaker 1: the second round. He's a very good player. Is Rod
Speaker 1: Mirnelli's uh? Is Rod mirnillis assuming that we talk is
Speaker 1: Rod Mirinelli's style too particular with the players? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we always talk about the orphans, but the
Speaker 1: question is is he too particular when he's evaluating players? Yeah? Maybe?
Speaker 1: And I mean the fact that he doesn't, Oh, just
Speaker 1: give me that guy, Just give me this guy, give
Speaker 1: me that guy. Yeah, you know. I mean, is it
Speaker 1: do you think it's time for Rod Rod Marinelli to
Speaker 1: step up and say give me this guy and it'd
Speaker 1: be a high level draft pick. It'd say it's the
Speaker 1: twenty eighth player I instead of saying, oh, no, you
Speaker 1: can just give me a fifth round guy and I'll
Speaker 1: be okay. I think Rod Marinelli falls into the trap
Speaker 1: of he's like, I want guys who hustle and who
Speaker 1: work hard and bring their lunch pill every day. And
Speaker 1: that's a great attitude. You want that, but you need
Speaker 1: talent too, you need guy And that's what we talked
Speaker 1: about this defense not getting any takeaways. The Bears got takeaways.
Speaker 1: Charles Tillman got like twelve a year for like all
Speaker 1: peanut punch, Jeff, they're the DBS. Don't make players on
Speaker 1: the ball even I mean, can will play and Jerry
Speaker 1: convince him to do this, then they don't need to
Speaker 1: convince him to do anything. Don't Lay and Jerry make
Speaker 1: the calls. And you need to get a list from
Speaker 1: Rod of the guys that he likes and get him
Speaker 1: in here. And yeah, yeah, I mean, but he might
Speaker 1: not like the guys that we're talking about, those high
Speaker 1: level we're talking about defensive ends that could actually play
Speaker 1: instead of a guy down the line in the fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round. He'll find a way to use them if
Speaker 1: they're there, and you can never predict it. You don't
Speaker 1: want to reach. Obviously, drafting for need can be dangerous,
Speaker 1: but all things being equal, the first player taken by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in this draft should be on defense. But
Speaker 1: he's just who knows long term trust? David Charles Tapper
Speaker 1: or Chaz Green? Are you drafting there at both spots? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: well I would draft at both anyway regardless I get
Speaker 1: long term trust. I trust Chads more because I've seen
Speaker 1: him play and he played well. Ye you're talking about
Speaker 1: the health of both. Really, yeah, you trust him? Is
Speaker 1: the playing ability and the health wise or you letting
Speaker 1: you now worried because now you're gonna have to probably
Speaker 1: draft to those two spots. Here's the thing. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: not really counting on Charles Tapper to be a difference
Speaker 1: maker anyway he was. He was pick one on one,
Speaker 1: like you're wouldn't you when you wouldn't you expect him
Speaker 1: to be one on one at one on one. I
Speaker 1: expect him pick one thirty five, maybe the league ndpick.
Speaker 1: We were we expecting that, were we you drafted though?
Speaker 1: But if he goes back to Miranelli, I think once
Speaker 1: you're talking about fourth round picks, obviously you want all
Speaker 1: your draft picks to be good, Sure you do, but
Speaker 1: when you get into the fourth round, you're no longer
Speaker 1: talking about players that you expect to start and excel.
Speaker 1: You're not drafting Anthony at at at what d hellmanan
Speaker 1: d at the fourth The third round is a Dane
Speaker 1: said it last night. The third round, third up to
Speaker 1: the third round. You expect these guys to be starters.
Speaker 1: Everything after that you expect him to not be terrible
Speaker 1: and hope for the best. So with that in mind,
Speaker 1: Chaz is a third round pick. I'm expecting him. I
Speaker 1: need him to be the tackle of the future. When
Speaker 1: Doug Free is gone, Tapper, you need to fix d
Speaker 1: end anyway, they need to put resources into that regardless
Speaker 1: of what Tapper is. Would you agree with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so? Okay, So honestly, for me, do I
Speaker 1: sound crazy? Offensive tackle is the bigger concern in the
Speaker 1: long term because you don't have anything behind Doug Free.
Speaker 1: If Chas Green's no good whereas you need, you got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you gotta fix on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: You're not looking at Charles Tapper to be your savior.
Speaker 1: Chaz Green needs to be something or else You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to draft somebody. So I don't know. Did I
Speaker 1: answer your question? Yeah, that's good. McDermott and or Banner.
Speaker 1: We talked about two pac twelve guys. Yeah, we look
Speaker 1: at tackles. I don't think it would be a bad
Speaker 1: idea to draft an offensive tackle in this draft. If
Speaker 1: I mean basically, I guess I could have summed up
Speaker 1: that way. Name a position you'd be surprised that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would draft in the first round. I said this, Okay,
Speaker 1: they have no business drafting a quarterback, a running back,
Speaker 1: and I think a center. I forgot center. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: need for a center and a lineback. Linebacker, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think those are the four where I would really be like, huh,
Speaker 1: Although now that I mean if something crazy happened, if
Speaker 1: if Leonard Fournette was sitting there at twenty eight and
Speaker 1: they just I mean it would It's not necessary, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I mean, you're talking about BPA right. If
Speaker 1: injuries pushed Dalvin Cook to twenty eight and they draft
Speaker 1: would I would get it. I might not agree with it,
Speaker 1: but I would get it. But those four, those four positions,
Speaker 1: no go away. I don't give me a position you'd
Speaker 1: be surprised though they would draft any other one. No,
Speaker 1: I mean quarterback, running back, center, linebackery, everything else. Everything
Speaker 1: else is open. Kicker and punter obvious, Like, get that
Speaker 1: out of here. You're not drafting that long snapper. I
Speaker 1: think guard would be surprising, but I don't. The offensive
Speaker 1: line is your bread and Butter's the reason they're good
Speaker 1: in the first place. So I'm not gonna jump down
Speaker 1: their throats for doing that. Why what about you? No,
Speaker 1: I I think that to me. Every other position I
Speaker 1: think is you can you could talk me into doing it.
Speaker 1: You could talk me into a safety, a corner, an end,
Speaker 1: a d tackle, an offensive tackle, a wide receiver. What
Speaker 1: am I missing, I'm gonna get you. I didn't. This
Speaker 1: didn't then follow up with this question. Then here's my
Speaker 1: other question. Do you draft another mid round quarterback or
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore? Or do you work out Johnny Manziel. What's
Speaker 1: gonna say? Get Johnny Manziel away from me. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this off the air. He might deserve another chance
Speaker 1: at the NFL. Work I said work out. I didn't
Speaker 1: say sign I said sorry, I said, draft a mid
Speaker 1: round quarterback Kellen Moore or workout Johnny Manziel. I think
Speaker 1: a young quarterback should be on this team, the same
Speaker 1: thing I said about the running back. Okay, draft me
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the sixth round or sign a guy
Speaker 1: in me fall back up. Then what if that Clemson
Speaker 1: kids there at twenty eight Deshaun Watson? Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: if if if Deshaun Watson's there at twenty eight, you
Speaker 1: leverage that into a trade with somebody who needs a
Speaker 1: quarter But you don't want to go back because you
Speaker 1: don't want to use to lose the fifth year option.
Speaker 1: That I'd rather have the picks than a quarterback that's
Speaker 1: gonna not do anything at all. He's not gonna do
Speaker 1: anything he's gonna sit behind freaking MVP candidate Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: There's no neat no, And yeah, you lose the fifth
Speaker 1: year option. I'd still what if you what if I
Speaker 1: told you, all right, they go back from twenty, I
Speaker 1: think you'd be a pretty good fit for how they
Speaker 1: play offense. Now, what if I told you you could
Speaker 1: have two top fifty picks instead of Deshaun Watson. Oh,
Speaker 1: then and there's a fifth year option. Is gonna help
Speaker 1: him on Zach Martin? Here two top fifty picks and
Speaker 1: then your second round picks, So you get three picks
Speaker 1: in the top sixty or so as opposed to a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You need to learn the whole draft, though, before I
Speaker 1: think I know, I don't. It would suck to lose
Speaker 1: the fifth year option. It doesn't make even a lick
Speaker 1: of sense to draft Deshaun Watson. I'd rather have Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournette collecting cobwebs behind Zeke than Deshaun Watson. Just that
Speaker 1: doesn't know that was not going to be there or not.
Speaker 1: It's January. We're just quarterbacks so much in the first round,
Speaker 1: you have to trade that pick if that's what happens.
Speaker 1: If it's any quarterback if and you said BPA, right
Speaker 1: them the Broncos or the Seahawks just did this, didn't
Speaker 1: they Are they traded back to thirty two though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they traded back and then they took the tackle the
Speaker 1: tackle guard? Fine, tex I mean you want the fifth
Speaker 1: year option. But in that case, I would trade Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes interest you mid round guy maybe Texas Tech. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: If I mean we don't have a fifth rounifth round, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have a fifth round pick right now, but
Speaker 1: if we did, yeah, I would draft that guy in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat in the round. Kaya Kaya, Sure, I would
Speaker 1: rather have Davis Webb as a priority free agent than
Speaker 1: give Johnny manziella workout. I know that you would. Do
Speaker 1: you think Johnny Man's is going to get a work out?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's talk about the draft. Not thought
Speaker 1: about him, but he was on their board pretty high
Speaker 1: one time. He's got a lot more work to do
Speaker 1: than just admitting he was a douche on Twitter before
Speaker 1: I buy that he's like ready to get to work
Speaker 1: in this offense would be good for him. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do. Stop he could play
Speaker 1: in this offense. Stop here we go running out of time.
Speaker 1: Here's my last question for you. When it comes to
Speaker 1: picking players, who has the most influence over Jerry Jones?
Speaker 1: Take Stephen out of the equation, Will McClay or Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: How can you take Stephen out of the equation? Well,
Speaker 1: just take him out of the equation. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to take can't though, it's all, It's all. I'm just saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's going to Stephen and Jerry both. Who has the
Speaker 1: most influence over the Joneses, Will McClay or Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: picking players? Will? It should be Will. If it's not.
Speaker 1: This is Will's job all year round, and he's got
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good resume. You're not gonna give Jason
Speaker 1: credit for the right kind of guy? Man, the right
Speaker 1: kind of guy tred goes out the window on occasion.
Speaker 1: So not really, I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily buy that. No, I seem to remember it by
Speaker 1: the way I seem to of course, of course they
Speaker 1: don't need to give him any gear at the Pro Bowlers.
Speaker 1: I seem to remember some defensive ends joining this roster
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Who, Yeah, we're good football players,
Speaker 1: but not the right kinds of guys. Um, do you
Speaker 1: think do you think looking back at Randy Gregor, do
Speaker 1: you think that Jason Garrett was talked into that one?
Speaker 1: And DeMarcus Lawrence? And I mean, I know he's not
Speaker 1: drop pick, but Greg, are you too? Um? Probably? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, probably, And that I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's I mean, that's the m of the draft.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about yesterday. He got a lot of problems,
Speaker 1: but he's a hell of a talented football player. And
Speaker 1: sometimes it works out for you and sometimes it doesn't. Um,
Speaker 1: I think Will, I think the brain trust of Will
Speaker 1: and Stephen is the engine that drives Cowboys. I agree
Speaker 1: with your draft strategy. I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: So all rightfully they can keep it going. We're about
Speaker 1: to be done here. Some just some final thoughts, So
Speaker 1: thanks for playing with the game. Yeah, I hope we
Speaker 1: got you guys thinking a little bit at home. Still
Speaker 1: want a draft? I mean I always tie all these
Speaker 1: free agent moves into and you can't. You can't draft everybody. No,
Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm interested to see at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the board if they if we do see
Speaker 1: a surprise pick. I mean, that's that's the prime and
Speaker 1: maybe it's not going to be a quarterback, but I
Speaker 1: that's the prime territory to do something like that, because
Speaker 1: at twenty eight we couldn't pass up this guy. At
Speaker 1: twenty eight, you're talking about a guy who either fell
Speaker 1: or a guy who's not a first round grade. Like
Speaker 1: that's so it's the prime time to do something like that.
Speaker 1: I hook Travis Frederick at thirty. Not many people thought
Speaker 1: that they were going to do that. I support it,
Speaker 1: and honestly I wrote about this today. I know we're
Speaker 1: running out of time, but last year it was we
Speaker 1: are screwed without a quarterback. We gotta do this, we
Speaker 1: gotta fix this. We won four games right this year,
Speaker 1: I know the pass rushing help, I know the cornerback
Speaker 1: situation is iffy. But this year, I think you're coming
Speaker 1: into this with a different mindset, is like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's just take stock. We've got we got some holes
Speaker 1: to fill, but this is a good core and we
Speaker 1: can We've got some freedom to kind of play around here.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna make it interesting. I like what
Speaker 1: you said, Okay, well that's gonna do it for us
Speaker 1: here in Mobile, Alabama, I want to thank everybody out
Speaker 1: there once skin for watching us, for listening, for tweeting,
Speaker 1: for being involved again. I hope we educated you a
Speaker 1: little bit more today. For my buddy David Hellman, for
Speaker 1: Dave Burglar, who's not here, hopefully safely back in Dallas.
Speaker 1: For Kent Garrison executive producer Ed Khill, Thank you, Derek Eagleton,
Speaker 1: thank you, and Taylor Stern thank you for always pushing
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