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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, I just wanted to jump on here with

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Speaker 1: wanted to let everyone know about upcoming live shows. We

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Speaker 1: have several coming up, but the first one is Queers Live,

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Speaker 1: all your favorite divits, but we're just putting a little

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Speaker 1: queer spin on it. We're gonna have so many great people.

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Speaker 1: Larry Owen's called a Skull of Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson

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Speaker 1: as Peter Smith, Peter Smith, and more to be announced.

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Speaker 1: More Queer to be announced. Musical directed by the one

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Speaker 1: and only Henry Koperski Son Monday, novembery at Joe's Pub,

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Speaker 1: The one and only. It's our very first, ever last

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Speaker 1: culture is to show at Joe's Pub. We love the

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Speaker 1: folks over there. We're gonna be, you know, recording a

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Speaker 1: little video promo for it in the coming weeks. You

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Speaker 1: Joe's Pub website, so please head over and do that,

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Speaker 1: and then we have the gag. Of course, it's I

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Speaker 1: don't think so honey Live at the Bellhouse on No. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a pretty new batch of folks.

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Speaker 1: We are really gonna show you some new faces, Darling.

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Speaker 1: Our last one was like a Legends ball type gig.

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Speaker 1: But this is gonna be such a fun, fresh experience.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so great. I can't wait for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get your tickets to our I Don't Think

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Speaker 1: So Honey Live at the Bellhouse on no And if

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be doing I Don't Think So Honey

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Speaker 1: The lineup will be announced shortly as well the Bellhouse lineup.

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Speaker 1: But this is gonna be so much fun. I loved

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Speaker 1: our show that we did fun. I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 1: missing this one. But you know what, it's for a

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Speaker 1: good reason, which is your wedding to yourself? Yes, just

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Speaker 1: kidding his work, um, so listen, I cannot wait. And

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Speaker 1: then selfishly, I want to just plug a little show

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Speaker 1: that I do here in New York City at the Duplex.

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Speaker 1: It's called have you heard of Christmas? Oh? I love

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Speaker 1: this show. Thank you baby. I'm really excited it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be on December eleven, December twenty two, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do that show three times and I really want you

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Speaker 1: on sale right now. Those are the shows, and that's

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Speaker 1: the Gauntless Special Best Special Guests and that's musical directed

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Speaker 1: by Henrykoperski as well. Yes, oh, I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: all of these shows. Um. I will be three out

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Speaker 1: tickets and check them out. Yes, look man, oh I

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Speaker 1: see you? Why why and look over there? How is

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Speaker 1: that culture? Yes? Goodness, ding don loss culture. He's just calling, uh, well,

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Speaker 1: there's no resta out there, is it? Okay, we define

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Speaker 1: two years ago. I never cared for meteorology. I'll do

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Speaker 1: a good thing this week, No bitch. Of all the sciences,

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Speaker 1: do We'll do couples therapy. We'll go on Naomi in

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Speaker 1: it different sometimes like whenever we have to sit down

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00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: and write it together, I'm always it's there's these little

424
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: moments where it's like no, I think it's a beat

425
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: and then this line or like this line, and it's

426
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: like this moment of like I don't think will agree, okay, no,

427
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: and you want it is the uglies. Okay, So two things,

428
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: two thoughts. I had. One is okay, so do you,

429
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: Holly Dias listen to podcasts? I don't have friends, but

430
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: my favorite murder Yeah yeah, we listened to it. Okay.

431
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: They have famously gone to therapy together and they are

432
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: astronomically successful, and so it's like, I don't think that's

433
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: a bad idea for you guys at all, because you

434
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: are in a business together. This is a partnership. And

435
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: the other thing I was gonna say about writing with

436
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: somebody is I really do feel like finding somebody that

437
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: you write well with is like one on one that's

438
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: like falling in love, Like it's very special and very rare.

439
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: Like you can write with a lot of different people,

440
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: but finding somebody where it doesn't feel like you want

441
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 1: to kill them and yourself. Yeah, I'm feeling that all

442
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: the time with most people, especially when you get put

443
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: in a room that you didn't necessarily you're happy to

444
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: be in, but you didn't necessarily choose the people in it.

445
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: And but I didn't necessarily, I mean, you did not

446
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: at all. Like, so it's like and then my thing

447
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: is like you're at You're at us and now now

448
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: um and so now it's just kind of like because

449
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: you have a lot of friends there, it almost feels like, well,

450
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: I had the option to write with someone I know

451
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: historically before this, but that's not always the case. I mean,

452
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: they can put you on different things and then you

453
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: have to navigate your own response to their creative process. Also,

454
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: even somebody that you like, I mean, there have been

455
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: so many people that I love and I don't necessarily

456
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: love writing with. It's different, it's a different piece. Yeah,

457
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: I totally agree. In fact, like we we now. I

458
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: try to whenever we're like not agreeing on something, what

459
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: I always like to say. And this is the same

460
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: with Sudi, who's my other writing partner. And like you know,

461
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: when I've written chops with other people, it's always Dave

462
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: I work with. It's always kind of like, let's vocalize

463
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: the fact that this is a thing. Let's talk about

464
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: like what it is that I'm agreeing on and potentially why,

465
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: because I think that will like that will get it

466
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: out in the open and then we can really actually

467
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: get down to justifying why we both think this thing

468
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 1: and then we can move on. I think it has

469
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just I'm genuinely curious. Well, I think

470
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: that when you're really honest, at least you can understand

471
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: where the other person is coming from. We had a

472
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: breakthrough last weekend about we had an emotional breakthrough. It

473
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a creative break. It was the best kind of

474
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: break there. It was fuel Well, okay, so here's the two.

475
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: So we went up to the upstate New York Mets

476
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: on the ground. Yeah, we were I actually was actively

477
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: trying not suppose, because I was trying to enjoy my experience,

478
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: because we did for the very first time. I had

479
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: never done this, but we dropped acid. Okay, And so no,

480
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: I have never done acid or mushrooms, but I've heard

481
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: mushrooms or the thing to do if you're in nature.

482
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: My friend, my my weather friend who I won't say

483
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: they said, she called themselves some mushrooms girl, And I

484
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and is that why you were like,

485
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 1: let's do acid? My my? You know, I don't think

486
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: he'd mind me saying this. My ex Henry like he

487
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: was a big proponent of, you know, as going out

488
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: and doing acid and going out on the woods and

489
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: or like in like some sort of park or something

490
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: to be with nature at all psychedelic. So we did

491
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: that and like that was amazing, just like literally sitting

492
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: next to a tree and being like this tree is alive.

493
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: Like and then later on we did have a moment

494
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: where I realized that I hadn't said something to you

495
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: that I think I needed to say to you and

496
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: you needed to hear. Can you share it? I will

497
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: share it. So when the SNL thing came about, I

498
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to cry right now. Ya um.

499
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: Like then they say, well, we're offering your writing position,

500
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: and then there's that moment where it's like, well, I

501
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: take the writing position. And so it's that moment of like,

502
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: we're honest with each other, we're best friends. We talked

503
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: about it, and this thing of like I have to

504
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: decide whether or not this is happening, and he did

505
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: decide to and that he had to call me and

506
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: tell me that that was happening because there were plans

507
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: for this podcast to move on and do other things.

508
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: And and I think this weekend was the first time

509
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I ever told you that had you not taken that job,

510
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: that would have broken my heart like that that would

511
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: have like and and then I just like that was

512
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: when I said that to you. I realized that that

513
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: was so important for me to say and for I

514
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: think for you to hear. How did it feel hearing it?

515
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: It was? It was it was really it was like

516
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly emotional where where it just like breaks critical mass

517
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: and I just I had to I had to sit

518
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: with it. And like, normally I'm pretty immediate in my

519
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: emotional responses to things, but it took me a long time,

520
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean a relatively long time, and then then when

521
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: I started talking, that's when I started to tear up

522
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: and cry, like it was it was it was, it

523
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: was a big moment, but it was you know, and

524
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the thing is too, like it's weird. I actually think

525
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: if if I have to say what it is that

526
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: kept me from saying that and vocalizing that, because we

527
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: are very emotional people and we share a lot, I

528
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: do have to say, I think it goes back to

529
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: this thing of like, don't be too emotional or forthcoming

530
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: or like whatever it is. I do think it's like

531
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: what you were talking about before, the kind of repression

532
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: that exists inside um. But it's also like I'm so

533
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: because oh my god, you are crying whatever, It's okay,

534
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it's okay, but like that was beautiful, but also like

535
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: you just as easily could have said like it broke

536
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: my heart that you took it, and I would have

537
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: totally understood what you were coming from, and so like,

538
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: I am so glad that you were at the place

539
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: of it would have broken my heart if you hadn't

540
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: taken it. Like that's and I think I always knew that,

541
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: But that's really like if I'm bowling, Like, I mean,

542
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: wasn't there that Like I could totally understand it. If

543
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: you would say, like it broke my heart that you

544
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: chose it, I get it. I totally get it. But

545
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: I also, like you know what I mean totally. I mean,

546
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: I I spent the day sort of deciding. I just

547
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: had like give or to like twenty four hours, give

548
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: or take a few to decide. Um. And Matt knew,

549
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: Like Matt was, was there every step of the way,

550
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: like throughout that whole day. I was. It was just

551
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't in like an open and shut thing. It

552
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: was like I really had to like ruminate on it

553
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: for like a limited amount of time because it's gonna

554
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: be a life. Yeah, and and so uh because it's

555
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: interesting that yes, this is also knows. Yeah it was.

556
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: It meant no to a lot of other stuff. Um Like,

557
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: it meant turning down other like opportunities that were happening

558
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: like concurrently that we're like already in motion, and it

559
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: was it had to sort of put the kaibash on

560
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: that on on those things. And so yeah, it was.

561
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: It was a lot. It was a very it was

562
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: a very fraud day. And then I called Matt and

563
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: sort of like that, I like I knew that that

564
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: was like this like sort of locus of the friendship

565
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: that like we would refer back to for a long time.

566
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't that exactly the time that you guys went

567
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: to the view it was it was, Oh my god, okay,

568
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was like so that like the fact

569
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: that that happened the same fucking day of just like

570
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: you getting your heart stepped on in such a hilarious way,

571
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: and then like Boeen, like fully like managing your feelings

572
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: because like that was, like you did hilarious. I don't

573
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: think so, honey, But like watching it, like Bowen is

574
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: fully like trying to be there for this kid who

575
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: lost a hundred pounds, but also then like looking at

576
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: you that the video of it got both much attention,

577
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: but it wasn't but I was thinking about it of course.

578
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: But it's also I will say this as a third person,

579
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: it would not it only existed in relationship, so of

580
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: course it can feel like oh my god, Bowen, the

581
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: slow clap, But like the thing that was so amazing

582
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: to me about it was the friendship and the thing

583
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: that I love about your guys in your podcast is

584
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: the empathy and the love and that's what all of

585
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: that was. So it was also just like your and

586
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: it is like it is funny because like I know,

587
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: she means everything to you. And oh, I need, I

588
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: do need to tell you that my time at mad TV,

589
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: I met her the day after she was because you

590
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: got a shot American Idol sketch with Debora Wilson, Wilson Whitney.

591
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: It was it was it was it was Whitney. It

592
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: was like it was like it was it was like

593
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: all these has beens who like out of the fact

594
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: that you remember, I fully do know God was do

595
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: you know where that you know what that was, which

596
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: then gave birth to grew. I'm telling you it was

597
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: derived from that. I love that. You guys. How amazing

598
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: Deborah Wilson is she has been like my Rodolph is amazing, amazing.

599
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: But Debord Wilson had the best Whitney Houston, without question,

600
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: fucking that cast. I will say, Okay, this is Stephanie Weird,

601
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: the best of all time. Even just Michael McDonald as

602
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: like a queer Like people didn't know it at the time,

603
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: but you look back and you're like, yes, that was

604
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: what he was allowed to be on the show totally,

605
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: but like he's he's you know, doing gankbusters and like

606
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: directs a million TV shows all the time, but he

607
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: also has kind of your story. Well, but it took

608
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: him even longer to come out because he was Orange

609
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: County grew up and like you know in this like

610
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Orange County is the long island. Yeah I believe that. Yeah,

611
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: I believe that. Yeah, that cast was absolutely stacked. As

612
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: you met Kelly the day after, she wont what you

613
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: guys shot that the day after she had the same

614
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: streaky highlights. Oh my god, remember you can never forget

615
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: those iconic blonde streaks. Yeah, as your mom my mom

616
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: famously said, you know that that's the only person who

617
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: can pull it off, which is so questionable. So also,

618
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: like you are not done meeting her like that was

619
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: just not time. I will say, I'm happy that it

620
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: did not happen on live television, yes, because I've also

621
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: talked about how I did the Stern after show the

622
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: day she was on and I she was coming out,

623
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: and I literally went and went and hid because I

624
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: was like, I just cannot not this is not the time.

625
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm not strong enough to meet her right now. I

626
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: had thought about meeting her the night before because it

627
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: was happening and I was excited to be on Howard.

628
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: I love Howard and I was going to do the

629
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: after show, and I was thinking about the fact that

630
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I could meet her, and I started to cry. What

631
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: would be can't meet her on television? I get it,

632
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I get it, And you can't meet her in the

633
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: audience and like thankfully getting me. So what would be

634
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: like the perfect controlled environment for you to meet Kelly?

635
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I think that like maybe if she was like like

636
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: backstage at some event or something, I think that I

637
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,080
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848
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: he asked gathered and because I lost this other job

849
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: that like broke my ego, I was able to go

850
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: and do that with him, which is such a dream.

851
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this more. So what are

852
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I just I want to talk more about these examples

853
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: of the end of one opportunity just sort of like

854
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: drawing a straight line to like the beguinion, because it

855
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: always does seem like you are someplace so cool, you

856
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, damn, he's running for that.

857
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I just the things I just listed. I

858
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: was like, that's the um contemporary pop cultural stuff for

859
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: people that love television already, people that love comedy, well,

860
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: that's prestige stuff. Thank you. I've been so fucking lucky.

861
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: And it's also one of those things of like the

862
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: narrative you know what I mean, always feels different than

863
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: the right right, it feels like different than how it

864
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: is on the inside. And the thing too, So that

865
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: thing of drawing a straight line that's actually in Bertha

866
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: back exercise that is, have you guys ever read her?

867
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't type of thing, yes, yes, yes, yes, Steering

868
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: by Starlight, Find your north Star. Can't recommend it enough,

869
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: can't recommend it enough. Oh my god. She has so

870
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: many amazing exercises. So one of them is like, think

871
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: of a time that you were so incredibly happy and

872
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: fulfilled and like yourself, and you know what I mean,

873
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: like and pick now a time that you were the opposite,

874
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: and then you can draw that straight line between how

875
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: one thing led to the other. And once you do

876
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: that exercise, you're like, oh my god, I did not

877
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: even see that and it's a hundred percent true. She

878
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: also has this really cool exercise called shackles on shackles off. Okay,

879
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: so this feeling of and it's hard to get yourself

880
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: to do because you're like, well, I don't because it

881
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: makes you feel bad. But it's like a meditative thing

882
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: where you have to think of like a time in

883
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: your life and like really do it, like close your

884
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: eyes and feel it in your body where you felt

885
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: like you didn't belong you felt you know, like nobody

886
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: got you, where you felt terrible about yourself and all that,

887
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: and really go there and really feel it in your

888
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: body and do that thing of like how does my

889
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: head feel? How does my neck feel? You know what

890
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean? Like really find that feeling in your body

891
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: and then shake it off. And then do the same

892
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: thing with like a great time where you felt most

893
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: and like really feel that in your body. Yep, and

894
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: that shackles off. And then when you are trying to

895
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: decide something like how it something makes you feel because

896
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: it gets so convoluted, she's like, is this a shackles

897
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: on her shackles off feeling and really going to your body.

898
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: That's really good, Yeah, because it really is that simple?

899
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: It is, but it's hard to make yourself do because

900
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: it's also complicated, because there's also sometimes it's not just

901
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: a thing, it's a relationship and you're like, how does

902
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: this relationship make me feel? Yeah, I mean you've talked again,

903
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: listen to hundreds of hours of you, but like your

904
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: a relationship with Henry again, don't we've really just really met.

905
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: But it sounds like he's a beautiful person that and

906
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: I only know that from you, but like you've also

907
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: talked about like that was a relationship that was over

908
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: months before it was over, and how hard it is

909
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: to let go of that, and like it's really terrifying

910
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: to look at something with somebody that you love that's

911
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: still in your body. You're like, the dynamic as it

912
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: is now is not right and that's so scary to

913
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: look at. Well, I think that what I've learned is

914
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: that loving someone and having that person be right for

915
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: you are are they are mutually exclusive? Are there not

916
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive? They're not the same, They're not the same thing. Um,

917
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: So that's it's so hard about it is knowing, Wow,

918
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm not good for this person. This person is not

919
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: good for me. Unfortunately, I love them like family. And

920
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: then I said, I said recently, like actually said this

921
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: on Katherine in Pat's podcast. I said, it's this thing

922
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: that's happened over the past like eight months, which, inconveniently enough,

923
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: it's happened over the past eight months when I was

924
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of other stuff where it's like,

925
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: you really have to move on from this relationship. I

926
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: had to tell myself, like because I had not, and um,

927
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 1: he sort of moved on, and UM, so I was like, wow,

928
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: it's like this feeling that you have that you have

929
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: to actively decide to just put away, you know what

930
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean. It's this thing that's never going to because

931
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 1: it's like it's like something in the world that feeling

932
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: already takes up space and so it's never gonna not

933
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: take up space. But you have to decide to take

934
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: it and like put it in the back of the

935
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: closet and maybe you don't shut the door of the closet,

936
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: maybe the doors will open, but whatever, but you do

937
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: have to just put it away. But that feeling for

938
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: someone else doesn't go away, and that's what's hard. But

939
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: it's like something understand it's meditation it's like what thoughts

940
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: that you like, it's letting the thoughts go by, or

941
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: said that old Native American thing the two wolves. Oh no, no, no, no,

942
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: I was just I was just responding to you, linking

943
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: this back to this meditative practice of just letting something go. Yeah,

944
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, just because I have a thought,

945
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: I don't have to dwell in it. It's just gonna

946
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: go by, like a car in the road, right. I mean,

947
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: if you're if you're talking in these terms amount of

948
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: putting something away in a closet, if you're like giving

949
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: it some vague like temporal thing like that, Like I

950
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: think that just means that you're displacing that feeling and

951
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: you're going to address it later on. This this soundstract, abstract,

952
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: but like just I mean I feel like letting it

953
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: just go and dropping it completely, just not caring where

954
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: it lands might be like just just see how that feels. Yeah,

955
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: Because there's also something so loaded about saying I'm putting

956
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: it in the claset, especially giving your experience of the imagery.

957
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: I will say this, you know what I've discovered muting

958
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Muting on Instagram has saved my life because now,

959
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: I tweeted to all the boys I've muted on Instagram, like,

960
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like if some if I if

961
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: I get like an obsessive feeling about like someone, if

962
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: somebody hurts me, if someone's not good for me, I

963
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: just mute them. And it's crazy that social media even

964
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: has this power. And I was talking about feeling a

965
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: little depressed a couple of months ago and Sudi was like,

966
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: it's social media. I think, especially like when you start

967
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: to get a little bit more attention, it's exciting because

968
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: social media is like hi, like we're all we're all looking,

969
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: and it's like whoa. That's also not real, and it

970
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: heightens all these kinds of emotions that you would ordinarily have.

971
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: So the muting has been big. My friend and night

972
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: we talked about it like Big Max, where it like

973
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: feels really good and then you feel like hell, hell

974
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: it's Big Max and it's Max. Um Okay. I you

975
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that a lot of times the narrative doesn't

976
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: match up with what's going on on the inside. I mean,

977
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: you don't have to get into too much detail. What's

978
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: like for you when someone comes up to you and says,

979
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: oh my God dammy, what what an amazing sort of resume? What?

980
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: What a background? What a pedigree? Like, I mean, what

981
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: is like what is the thing that you're dying to

982
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: tell to to like personal highlights stuff you've done. Oh

983
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was going to positive direction. Sorry I was,

984
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, no go positive. Sorry I don't listen to me, No, no, no,

985
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I would say, Yeah, I'm not

986
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I would say for personal highlight, Like, honestly,

987
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: probably personal highlight is some improv shows that I've done,

988
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: and they are also the best. Well that's really kind,

989
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: but getting to like, there's some like shows that I've

990
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: done where I was like, wow, like that felt moving

991
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: and that felt moving for those of us on stage

992
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: and for those of us in the audience. And I

993
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: also love how ethereal it is. I love that it's

994
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: fully gone and it's yeah, yeah, I do love that.

995
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: And in terms of like what it's funny people say,

996
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: like looking at the resume, it feels a little like

997
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: social media to me, where it's like you have a

998
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: very specific idea of what my life has felt like

999
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: because you've seen the jobs, but it's you know, you

1000
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: don't see the eight months where I wasn't working and

1001
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't know where the next job would be, and like

1002
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: how terrifying that was. Or also like it's funny like

1003
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: and we do it ourselves in our lives, but like

1004
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: looking back at my twenties, I'm like, oh my god,

1005
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: that was the best. But I remember being in my

1006
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: twenties and being like what the fucking happened? And I

1007
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: don't know what my job is going to be and

1008
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: all that, and like yeah, where you're just like, hope,

1009
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: it was so great because it was just about the

1010
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: joy of it and you're like, no, there was so

1011
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: much fear and uncertainty. It is. It's very rose colored glasses,

1012
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: like but I mean you sort of can't help but

1013
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: have that weird, misty eyed thing about it. It's like, oh,

1014
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: it was this formative thing, but you didn't know it

1015
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: back then. But I definitely try to then turn it

1016
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: back onto what I'm doing now, Like, especially when I'm

1017
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: feeling like then, I definitely try to be like Tammy

1018
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: of how many years ago, how would she feel like

1019
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: that she gets to do this, and like getting that

1020
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: attitude of gratitude that is a huge exercise I think

1021
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: where It's like whenever I start to feel really bad,

1022
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on a second, and I actually like

1023
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: this is maybe sounds a little gross, But sometimes I

1024
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: will list the things I've accomplished healthy and I look

1025
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, fuck, yeah, like I did

1026
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: all I did so many other things I wanted to do, honestly.

1027
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: Like It's like when I was like, you guys are

1028
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: the future of comedy. No, you're just comedy. I'm just

1029
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: the end of comedy. But like I do feel like

1030
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: such a like a kinship to you guys, And like,

1031
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: do you like how I was in my twenties? Do

1032
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean I've been I like,

1033
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: this is so crazy. But like when we had friend

1034
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Gillespie on the show. I said to her, I was like,

1035
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: you were the improviser that I used to seek out,

1036
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like when I was going

1037
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: to UCB classes and there was also you. I mean,

1038
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: I remember Tammy adian Spo. That was one of my

1039
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: favorite shows that I had seen. And then Tammy and

1040
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: Spo did it? Did it like a two proud show

1041
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: like a couple of years back to cum right or

1042
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: was it Tammy? It was it always Tammy Adian Spo.

1043
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: It was it was Tammy and Shannon have friends and yes, yes, okay,

1044
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: so that was just so great and like and just

1045
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: it's crazy to even be like that my friends that

1046
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm friends with, Brandon Scott Jones, you know what I

1047
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: mean to get it, but I'm friends with Josh Barbardaron Jackson,

1048
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: you know what. It's just like and I think they

1049
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: would like roll their eyes and say okay, b and

1050
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: me saying that, but like, really that's those things that

1051
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: that is meaningful. I mean, and you guys and like

1052
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: all those people are the people that inspired I know,

1053
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: us to even do what what we felt was like

1054
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: in our hearts to do in comedy. But by doing

1055
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: what you guys feel in your hearts, like this podcast

1056
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: feels so true and that's like what people respond to.

1057
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: And that's like why I do feel like Kelly Clarkson

1058
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: is going to be on you, like that's how it's

1059
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: going to happen. Can I tell you why I think

1060
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: I love her so much? And I know why. It's

1061
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: because she broke out. I think I've told you this.

1062
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: When she broke out, I was twelve, and so I

1063
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: think I had just felt realized I was gay at eleven?

1064
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: What did you realize you were gay? Oh? I can't

1065
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: put a time to it. It's funny you if I

1066
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: don't know that you've ever talked about conversion therapy on

1067
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: the pod? Yeah? Wait, what's the non main parts are Patreon? Yeah,

1068
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: so you're still not going to talk about it. No,

1069
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna talk about you because it's a

1070
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: Patreon exclusive thing. Because we do the RuPaul's Drag Race

1071
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: recaps on Contestant this year, Dusty Raybottoms talked in depth

1072
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: about going through conversion arab and so when we were

1073
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: reviewing that episode, Bowen did detail a little bit of

1074
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: his um but yeah, and it's so funny because it

1075
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: was something that I thought I had like rear view

1076
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: mirrored behind me for all these years. I was like,

1077
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so past that, I'm a I'm living out loud.

1078
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: It did happen. So it was it was the first

1079
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: sort of outing, which wasn't even an outing, was just

1080
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: my parents finding this like saucy like I am transcript

1081
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: and then with just some random guy and on the

1082
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: on the internet gay robot. It was a gay robot

1083
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: and then um so he found that UM, and it

1084
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: was just like two weeks of just coming home to

1085
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: like my parents like crying, like us all crying at

1086
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: the dinner table. I only think my dad cry once

1087
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: before this, when my grandpa died. And then I would

1088
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: just come home to him crying every day and I

1089
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: was like what I was like I was And then

1090
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: eventually you're just like, I have to fix this, and

1091
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: so you'll do any responsibil totally. And then and then

1092
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: my parents, uh, just having this sort of gap and

1093
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: cultural understanding, which I don't begrudge them for at all.

1094
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: They were just like, well, this is a problem, and

1095
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: what do we do we fix we fix it? Um

1096
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: he has There's plenty of Native Americans, not Native Americans,

1097
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: white Americans who do the same UM. And so you know,

1098
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: they found this grip and done where they found this

1099
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: guy in Colorado Springs who went by an alias and

1100
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: who like had very just had a very sort of

1101
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: why did you go by an alias? Because they constantly

1102
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: get harassed by like activist groups and that are trying

1103
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: to do the right thing and shut this thing. I

1104
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: love he is closing. He's literally cloaked in shame doing

1105
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: this thing where he's that same exactly. There are so

1106
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: many layers of shame to this because anyway it was

1107
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: he was in collar, out of Springs, Like we're focused

1108
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: on the family. Is like all these like mega churches

1109
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: are super religious, religiously fertile place. And it's your older sister,

1110
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: she like off in college at she's in college at

1111
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: this point, she's trying to um and young. I think

1112
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: she's listening. She's trying to um sort of straddle the

1113
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: line and sort of played the both sides, and she's

1114
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: she I don't give her the credit, but she really

1115
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: had to moderate and mediate a lot of stuff back then,

1116
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and from far away, from far away, she was doing

1117
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: something like I'm having her own formative experiences in college

1118
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: totally like she you know, for her to sort of

1119
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: be like like, you know, sort of learned into this

1120
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: other thing. So it's I think it's very different being

1121
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: Chinese but being Israeli, and like we moved when I

1122
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: was three and my brother was thirteen and my sister

1123
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: is eight. Like it's also like you feel like your

1124
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: siblings are the only ones who really get it with

1125
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: your parents. And so even like when my parents were

1126
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: being wrong, I still fundamentally felt like they were being right,

1127
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So it's also like

1128
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: I would be surrounding people being like that's insane, that's ridiculous,

1129
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: and being like, well, but you have to see it

1130
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: from their point of view. So that's where sibling really

1131
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: comes in, because they see it from their point of view.

1132
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: That's essentially what she did. And then at first my

1133
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: response was just was to lash and be like how

1134
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: can you like, like, how can you sort of not

1135
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: pick pick a side? Like how can you try to

1136
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: understand them? Because because your dad, because you're the one

1137
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: who's in pain, I'm the one, but it's also so

1138
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: are they, and it's so unbearable. So yeah, so so

1139
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: just would would you know, drive an hour and happy

1140
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: tway with my dad? And then those were I mean,

1141
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: those were actually bonding experiences between me and my dad

1142
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: weird way where we would just have like conversations that

1143
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with it. It's like three hours

1144
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: of one on one card time, which is like, you know,

1145
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: fraughten whatever. But that wasn't even I mean, that was

1146
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: like the highlight of the whole thing, because the sessions

1147
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: themselves were just I mean, they started out as just

1148
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: playing old therapy like talk therapy with somebody with a

1149
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: really fucked up agenda totally, someone with like you know,

1150
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: quacky diplomas on the wall. And then um, by the end,

1151
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: that was when he started this exercise of just let's

1152
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: walk through all these different times you felt attracted towards

1153
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: a man, how did you feel in your body? He

1154
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: would just try to apply these like just like like,

1155
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: didn't you feel terrible about yourself while you were attracted

1156
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: to this person? That's what the sources. And then by

1157
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: the end, yes, when in your adolescence do you feel

1158
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: anything sexual and not feel horrible totally? And then and

1159
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: then that's that's true for everybody, true for everyone. And

1160
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: then the last session, um was when he was just

1161
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: trying to like just give me some parting wisdom about

1162
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: the whole experience. Was there like we're going to do

1163
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: twenty sessions or was it like it was limited because

1164
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: the timing of it was I was going to college

1165
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: immediately after. This is the summer before college, summer before

1166
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: you all closeted for n y U for such a

1167
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: and your parents just being like, oh my god, we

1168
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: have to do this well, um, and then, but the

1169
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: the n y U thing came out of and it's

1170
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: so funny that just everything that's happening now is is

1171
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: sort of like a result of that, is is butterfly

1172
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: effected out of that. But my sister was already at

1173
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: a YO, so she was sort of the watchful eye.

1174
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: And that's like another thing that like she was foisted

1175
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: with and that we haven't talked about. But um, anyway,

1176
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: you need to do acid with her. I need to

1177
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: do askid with her. I don't know she's a mom that,

1178
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: but she she's not frustrating anywhere. No, totally. Um. But

1179
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: the last session he just tries to like he just

1180
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: starts going into this anecdote about a former patient of his.

1181
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: I him who well he's and he starts he narrates

1182
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: in the third person. He was like, so the sky's

1183
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: driving down the highway in California, gets off at Sandbergodina.

1184
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: It's two yem He stops by Denny's and then he

1185
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: looks up in the waiters there, and the waiter starts

1186
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: making eyes at him, and and then he switches to

1187
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: the first person and then he's like, and I was like,

1188
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: am I really going to have sex? With this guy

1189
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: like starts to sort of and then catches himself like

1190
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: mid story, being like, oh, I just I just outed

1191
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: myself because he was like this was a couple of

1192
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: months ago, and like this is a couple of months ago,

1193
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: Like like this is a couple of months before, like

1194
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: before this, before this last session with him, he said,

1195
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: this had just happened. So this had just happened. And

1196
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: then it was like very obvious to me that I

1197
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is all a fucking ship. So

1198
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: thank god you got that little peek where you like,

1199
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: this does not work, does not work, and even the

1200
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: person who is administering this kind of quote unquote treatment

1201
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: that I literally stop and then one million percent like that. Honestly,

1202
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: I was just like, you gotta write this, you go.

1203
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: And the best part was after, like my dad had

1204
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: very politely like, if you have any sort of referrals

1205
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: for people who do this in New York, we would

1206
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: love that. And then the funniest to me, this is

1207
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: the funniest thing in the world. After our session ends,

1208
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: we're saying goodbyes, and then he pulls out the sheet

1209
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: of paper and he goes, so, um, these are the

1210
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: names I was able to find of people who do

1211
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: this um in New York, but um, you know, it's

1212
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: not a lot of it's not a lot of people.

1213
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: And the closest person is in New Haven, you know,

1214
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: like sound like Connecticut town, like fifty miles away. And

1215
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, okay, this is We're not

1216
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: going to keep this going because people don't do this

1217
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: like in New York, and they just don't do this

1218
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: in general, Like he was, I don't know, I no

1219
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: wonder if there was no one in New York, because

1220
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't be able to a keep that practice

1221
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: running in New York. Like there you're exposed to the

1222
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: fucking right things. What's so terrifying to me about like Okay,

1223
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: that's so obvious and blah blah blah. And then it's

1224
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: our fucking vice president some of you who absolutely believes

1225
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: in it and puts money into it, and we're just like, yeah,

1226
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. So anyway, that's that's the whole sort

1227
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: of when did you come out to your parents for real?

1228
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: And we're like for real, Um, this was the beginning

1229
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: of senior year of college, so it was so it

1230
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: was it was like me kind of going back into

1231
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: the closet. After my sister graduates that semester, I came out,

1232
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: tell my friends like Imat and the rest of the

1233
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: comedy people, and in you, and then it spent about

1234
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: a year and a half closeted again um or closeted

1235
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: to my parents, but out to everyone else, and then

1236
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: that sort of I remember when you even came out

1237
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: at college. It was like something you had said, but

1238
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: like it was like we were to take it with

1239
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. It felt like that really it

1240
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: was like not confirmed and interesting, Yeah, what do you mean?

1241
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was we had heard that

1242
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: he had come out and went back in the closet before,

1243
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: And this is now we were as close as we

1244
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: are now. This is when you were fighting over that girl.

1245
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: That's a girl. That girl is like just like I

1246
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: have no one in my life she's doing. But I

1247
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: met you. I met you and we were both quote

1248
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: unquote straight, and then you were I was gay first,

1249
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: and then you were gay. But we were told that

1250
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: you had been also gay two years before, and then

1251
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: you went back to the closet, and so we no

1252
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: one was really could be sure. I don't know if

1253
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: I can trust him college. Wait, we have to ask

1254
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: Tammy the question. We haven't even even asked Hammy the question.

1255
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: Let me put my button on what I said. One

1256
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: which was the reason I liked Kelly Clarkson is because

1257
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: being twelve, um, I saw someone America fall in love

1258
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: with someone for being who they were, and I thought, Wow,

1259
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe someday someone will fall in love with me for

1260
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: who I am. And so then I was like, I

1261
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: was like, well, not yet, but one day I'll come

1262
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: out of the closet and then then I can be

1263
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson levels of beloved. But you saw her and

1264
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: you hung you having that hope on her. She was

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Speaker 1: huge for me because she was I just saw like

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Speaker 1: America fall in love with her, and she seemed like

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Speaker 1: you know, at the time, I think I was very

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: easily manipulated by that ship. But it's like she was

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01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: the perfect George W. Bush Arrow girl next door, but

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Speaker 1: she wasn't because she was also being told nonstops she

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Speaker 1: was too big, like by like by the gatekeepers by

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Speaker 1: you know, Simon cow very easily felt like it could

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Speaker 1: be justin Guarini, you know what I mean. I think

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been surprised either way, but I think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it is rigged, which I'm sure those

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Speaker 1: shows are, um, I think they made the right quote

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Speaker 1: unquote right decision um, and like, but um yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that the reason she's been so lasting is because

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Speaker 1: I think there's an entire generation of of women who

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: look at her and they say, you know what, I

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01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: don't have like a stick thin physique, My weight fluctuates.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of gay men do attach

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01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: to her because I think at a very formative time,

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Speaker 1: like she was like relentlessly herself and her personality, and

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Speaker 1: I think everyone kind of just like really gravitated towards that.

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: She's just authent in a way and also obviously incredibly

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Speaker 1: supernaturally talented. But I do feel like that authenticity even

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01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: more than the fans that it attracts, because as you

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: are seeing on social media, people liking you is a

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: fickle fucking beast and will change and you just cannot.

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01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, I think it's an allen On thing.

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01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: That my friend said to me was like, other people's

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01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: opinions of you are none of your business. And I

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01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: was like, wait, but it's literally my business, and she's like,

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01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: it's really not you think it is. It's literally none

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01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: of your business and you can lose your mind about it.

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: But like her being authentically yourself, I feel like is

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Speaker 1: what has made her be consistently able to make music,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, whether or not people like

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01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: the music is and she'll always remind you how good

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01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: she is. Like that's the thing is. It's like she's

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: never going to stay in the limelight because of a

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: stunt she pulled. She's going to stay in the limelight

1304
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 1: because she was she gave an amazing performance on some show,

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01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or like like that's the

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01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: thing is, like if like every three years, like she

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01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: has like a viral moment, like when she sang it

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01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: Obama's second inauguration, My country says of the it was

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01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: like just so unbelievable, and that that's more famous for

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01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: being because I don't remember it at all. I remember

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01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: hearing about it, like everybody knows. I'm happy to put

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01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: the spotlight back on it because go check out that

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: every thinking about that was the one where she famously

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: lip sync to National Anthem and Kelly sang live. I'm sorry,

1315
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: but it's that's true. It's not a job it's just

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01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: people remember it for being that. But also that was

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01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: a moment for Kelly Harson as well. Oh my gosh.

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01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 1: So it's also like having just seen Larry Owens perform

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01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: and like starting to cry just as he's about to

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01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: go on stage, and I was like, what is it

1321
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: about this? And it's like, oh, it's because talent will out,

1322
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. It's like and it's

1323
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: not even about like what other people say. It's like

1324
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: how much I've internalized that ship And just like I

1325
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: feel like Kelly Clarkson, I'm sure she internalized ship, but

1326
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: she also didn't let it shut her up and she

1327
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: is out spoken to um. Let's ask the question. Let's

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Speaker 1: ask the question, Tammy Seger, what was the culture that

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01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: made you say culture is for me? Honestly Second City?

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01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: Because we saw it when I was a kid, Like

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: I grew up in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we grew

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01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: up and my parents would go to Second City and

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: this is at the time where like you'd go and

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: they would sort of decide where you sit, and my

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01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: mom would fully lie about not being able to hear

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: well sit right up front. I was too young. I

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01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: saw Steve Correll yeah, Bonnie Hunt and cast Lenetta, Yeah,

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: Mary Gross so like Tim Kezarinsky, like since I was

1339
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: a little kid and did not understand most of this stuff,

1340
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: but no, I fully remember seeing Steve Correll and Steve Colbert.

1341
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: We're in a show together. Oh my god, where they

1342
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: did They did the waiter bit maybe or was that

1343
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: before or after anyway, amazing. I doesn't remember the waiter bit,

1344
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: the water bit where they're um, they're just like like

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: they for someone, like they were explaining the specials of

1346
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: the night and they just for some reason it makes

1347
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 1: them super nauseous. So they're like so they're just like

1348
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: like like on the verge of vomiting as they're describing.

1349
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: It's funny. I don't remember that so funny. But wait,

1350
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 1: that's oh my god. So what was the biggest difference

1351
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: between Okay, we'll talk about but also I have to say,

1352
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: like seeing Second City and being like and this is

1353
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: also when people in the Second City weren't blowing up

1354
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: like even like maybe they get s n L maybe

1355
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: like that was the biggest thing, but it wasn't like

1356
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: Judd apataw times. So I remember seeing Steve Carrell and

1357
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: being like, oh, that's so sad he's never going to

1358
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: be anything because he's so talented. And then it was like, oh,

1359
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: he's on the Dana Carvey Show. That doesn't last, you know,

1360
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: more than a minute. And then it was like when

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: he got forty year old Virgin, or even like when

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: inkor Man happened. Oh wait a minute, so yeah, and

1363
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: then you but you were pretty much ingrained in that

1364
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: system at that point, maybe not even like so I

1365
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: was a math major you've seen, and like, I really

1366
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: didn't see how it's going to happen. And then I did.

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: I wrote a paper about improv and yeah, so then

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: I got into the improv group there, and that's when

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01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I love this so much, Tammy. I mean,

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: you are basically yeah, I totally spaced. I knew you

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01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: were a math major you've seen, but I totally spaced

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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: on just this. The trajectory being like not necessarily a

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01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: straight line either for you feel like and it didn't

1374
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: feel like it would ever get anything. And it also

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01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: felt like I remember when I was like, I gotta

1376
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to submit to some shows and like somebody

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: from Daily Show and like fully told the producer and

1378
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: I was on main stage you know, which is like

1379
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: the highest thing you can get. And like I said, like,

1380
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: we're looking for writers, and the producer there didn't he

1381
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: decided who he wanted to tell to submit, and I

1382
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: wasn't one of the people. But I, you know, like

1383
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: and and this is what I haven't taught at TOM

1384
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: But when I have taught, I've always been like, don't

1385
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: worry about impressing me. There's a million people that I'm

1386
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: trying to bring up right now, but I'm like, but

1387
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: everything that I've gotten has been through people that I've

1388
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: come up with. So Alison Silverman, who's a brilliant writer

1389
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: and you know, one of the you know, original people

1390
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: at col Bear, but she was at The Daily Show

1391
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: and she worked there and she got that who knows.

1392
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: I still don't quite understand how she got it, because

1393
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: she got it from like working on like, you don't know, Jack,

1394
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: a game show on we just playing. She worked on

1395
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 1: that as like a video game, and especially in Chicago

1396
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: at that time, felt like you were nowhere, you know.

1397
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: And I was like, how did you get the Daily Show?

1398
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: And she's like, you know, there's certain types of a

1399
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: year that you submit. I'll tell you. When she told

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: me when and it was like, I, you know, I

1401
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: and I got that job offer, but I also then

1402
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: got the job offer at Mad TV, and then I

1403
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: chose Mad TV, which I was like, okay, I did that,

1404
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 1: But it was also because I didn't I didn't fundamentally

1405
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: want to write sketch or jokes. I wanted to write

1406
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: longer narrative stuff, and I just like it was very

1407
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: hard decision. I had that like twenty four hours of

1408
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: like what am I going to do? And then uh yeah,

1409
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: and then I decided to go. It was also, this

1410
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: is how long ago it was, but it was right

1411
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: before it was before Daily Show was Union, right O.

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: That's it was pre nine Leve and the Yeah, and

1413
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: it became because comedy schedual, but he became Union very

1414
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: soon thereafter. UM wow, yeah, yeah. I'm curious about what

1415
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: was the gap between you graduating college with a math

1416
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: degree and you thinking I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna

1417
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: do this comedy thing. It's weird because so I, um,

1418
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: I got hired for something called Booms Chicago, which is

1419
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: a y was this close to going. I was like

1420
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: in a final call back for the thought that was

1421
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: like four years ago. Yes, I didn't know that I

1422
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: did experience like it was really good. It was the

1423
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: third year, so it wasn't even year round like now

1424
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: they like sign people for seven year long contract year thing.

1425
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: That was like a two year commit wrap. Mine was

1426
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: like seven months. Yeah, And it was like you fully

1427
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: had to go and hand out newspapers that like advertising

1428
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: the show, like you had to do two hours. It's

1429
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: called kranting for every show. But I was so bad

1430
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: at it that I ended up like doing bookkeeping, like

1431
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: can I do this? But I got it while I

1432
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: was still in college. Wow. Great, And it actually was

1433
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: the beginning of turning things around with my dad because

1434
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: things were really bad with my dad and I got this.

1435
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to. We had this funked up agreement

1436
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: where I wasn't supposed to do any theater and it

1437
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: was but at this point and then I was in

1438
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: therapy and my therapist we'd onto therapy with my parents

1439
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: and me, and then it was just turned into therapy

1440
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: with me. So then it was like she kind of

1441
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: had this role of like she knew my parents, so

1442
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have to spend the whole time defending them,

1443
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: if that make sense. And explaining what does. So we

1444
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: had this fun up agreement where I could live not

1445
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: at home as long as I did not do any theater,

1446
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: which included even taking like a class, and she was

1447
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, they just want you to lie, like

1448
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: they've set up a situation where you lie. And I

1449
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: was like okay. So I performed under the ridiculous stage

1450
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: name of Sadie Cohen because I was like everyone and

1451
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: see like I needed a stage name. But I got

1452
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: this job and it meant like, oh shi it, I'm

1453
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to Amsterdam. I'm gonna have to

1454
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: leave college before I graduate um. And I remember calling

1455
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: my brothers ten years older than me and being like,

1456
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: how do I do this? Because what I was gonna

1457
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: do is just call and be like I got this,

1458
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm going by and he was like, instead of asking

1459
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: about for permission, ask him what he thinks, okay, like,

1460
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: not ask for permission, I'm asking for advice. And so

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01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: I did and it wasn't like can I do this?

1462
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, this happened. I didn't get into

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: the details of all the auditions that I should not

1464
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: have been doing and or what a selective process that

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: is anywhere yeah, you couldn't understand that. It was well, again,

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: this is how long ago it was. It was like

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01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: when there was this book called Let's Go, like Let's

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01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: go Europe, and they had just had a shout out

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01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: and Let's go Europe. So it was like this like yeah,

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01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 1: and so he was like okay, let me think, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then he came to the conclusion like I should go.

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01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well I'm going anyway. So who was

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01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: there while you were there? Um? So this was before

1474
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: Seth Meyers like he was the year before he went

1475
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: the year after, I should say, so, um yeah, that's

1476
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: he's one of the ones they say, now you're like

1477
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: and Seth oh no, that he was the one who

1478
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: broke it open for like everybody. But but then coming

1479
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: back from that, you know, and also I started college

1480
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: young and I'm born in December, so I was there

1481
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: at like twenty so even though I'd like taken time

1482
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: off from school and graduated, like, it all ended up

1483
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: being okay. And then I got back and I got

1484
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: Second City within a couple of months because at that

1485
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: point they knew, like you had been real seasoned by

1486
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: you can just tell on the audition you can just

1487
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: tell that somebody's been on stage. Yeah, and uh so

1488
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: I really was really lucky. So I just came back

1489
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: and I just finished up school. I just had like

1490
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: a class. So I finished up and had a gig.

1491
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: But you finished up and graduated with a degree. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1492
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: great amazing. I mean not that like, no, I know,

1493
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: but I was, you know, I didn't have my school diploma,

1494
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: so it was important that I get a college diploma.

1495
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: So cool. I mean a math major University of Chicago

1496
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: would have a math degree from University of Chicago would

1497
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: have made my dad like, oh my god, I can't

1498
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: even tell you how much I understand all of that stuff.

1499
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: And like seeing it's a very similar. It is. It is,

1500
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's it's it's intense. An immigrant

1501
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: father crying is like something that happened. Wouldn't you know

1502
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: how much they've sacrificed. And this is the thing, Okay,

1503
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: And just to really quickly loop it back to like

1504
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: the parental thing with the conversion to everything, I'm reading

1505
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: Joy Luck Club right now. It's all about mothers and

1506
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: daughters and forgiving each other, and and daughters forgiving their mothers,

1507
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: about wrongs and the other way around. It's it's the

1508
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing just to like, not care, I don't like.

1509
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: I don't hold it against I truly don't hold it

1510
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: against them. And it takes a long time to get

1511
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: to that. It took me so long to get to

1512
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: that place because for a while I even wrote a

1513
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: terrible solo show about this. I did try to write

1514
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: this in some sort. It wasn't great. Was a reflection

1515
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: where it was too soon and it was just there

1516
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: were no jokes. It was not it wasn't it was

1517
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: it was part of a comedy solo show festival and

1518
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: it was just no jokes, devoid of jokes. But I

1519
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: would say there could have been more jokes. The hilarity

1520
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: would say it was still hilarious even though you had

1521
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: no joke. Still trusted me on stage I and so yeah,

1522
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean at that point I hadn't forgiven them. And

1523
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, I read the door Luck Club

1524
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: and the audience can tell you know what I mean,

1525
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: The audience can tell when you've forgiven and they don't.

1526
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't they're not they're uncomfortable. When uncomfortable, it's chili,

1527
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: they're chilled. Um, Tammy, I have to ask you before

1528
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: before you move on, I don't think and then I

1529
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: have to I have to have to ask you as well. Okay,

1530
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: I just I really want to know. So I just

1531
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: really want to know, Tammy, Um, what is like like say,

1532
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: you're uh, just writer, creator of your own show? What

1533
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: is that? Because I'm so curious to know this just

1534
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: having this such a diverse, granularly diverse sort of resume

1535
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: and not to like bring that back up, but like

1536
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: I am so curious to know, like what, like the

1537
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: Tammy Sager sort of yes, I don't know. And it's

1538
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: actually been like a real like sticking point. And I

1539
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: recently and I'll talk to you guys about this off

1540
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: pod because you're connected to it funnily enough. But like

1541
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: when I feel like I have no ideas, it is

1542
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: such a dark, dark feeling. But like right now, I

1543
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: just don't care about my story, do you know what

1544
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean? And it's also just like I don't. I

1545
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't. I just it's that

1546
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: time where I'm like I care about some other people's stories,

1547
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: and so I just I've been listening to something I'm like, oh,

1548
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: I think this is a show, but I don't know

1549
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: what my show is. I don't I'm not even necessarily asking,

1550
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: like what is the Tammy Sacre? No, No, I know

1551
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: what you mean. But even this where I'm like, this

1552
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: is a show that I feel like I could run

1553
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: with these and I'm inspired by these people, but like

1554
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,839
Speaker 1: I don't even know. That's fine, that's that's it's okay.

1555
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, I thought like during this break

1556
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: from from S and Al that I would have all

1557
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: these ideas and I would work on all this stuff

1558
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: and like whatever, like I have all these premises thought out,

1559
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: but like I didn't even feel compelled to, like pependo paper.

1560
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes think the scary thing about like the past, like

1561
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: maybe even not year, like past like eight months. For me,

1562
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 1: it's just like I've always every year just always spit

1563
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: out so much creative stuff, like you know, like and

1564
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: like I'm always creating, and this year and this kind

1565
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: of like last eight months, I think because I have

1566
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff personally going on. It's just so

1567
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: much going on up here, and I think that's why

1568
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: I need a therapist. I haven't created as much and

1569
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: that's got me in such like a funk. You need

1570
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 1: you need to feel the well yeah, and also start

1571
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: beating yourself up for like what your first saved production is.

1572
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: It's also like, as somebody who listens, I'm like, you're

1573
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: producing all the time. Well, that's another. The other thing.

1574
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: It's just like like we signed around the table a

1575
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: lot our acid trip and they're like, everyone, say one

1576
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: good thing that you're proud of over the past year.

1577
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: And they all went around and it was coming to

1578
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: me and I was like, oh my god, I have

1579
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: nothing to say. I don't know what to say. But

1580
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: it's not I have nothing to say and I'm started.

1581
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, oh no. And then

1582
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: and then literally as I was there, I was like, wait,

1583
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: hold on a second, like this is classic and me

1584
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: like killing myself for no reason. But that's also why

1585
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: it's great that you're with people who love you, who

1586
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: know you could be like this and also this and

1587
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: also this it was an important Um yeah, it's just

1588
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: like something shout out to everyone. As much as I

1589
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: can go easy on yourself, y'all, we're all trying our

1590
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: best and two drugs and oh my god, I would

1591
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: never another thing. Is like I also really don't think

1592
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: that's like, I'm feel weird about saying this. I was

1593
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: just like, because we're so honest on this podcast, something

1594
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: like when when is too honest? Too honest? Um? But

1595
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't need to dr dugs to get

1596
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: their people, don't. Yeah? Oh no, And I fully, I

1597
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: don't you know what I mean? Like and actually like

1598
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: me getting high shut me down so hard that I

1599
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: think there's also something to that. Yeah. So no, I

1600
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: just think there's no blanket thing for anybody. It's very true. Well,

1601
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: what's your have to ask? Oh, here's what I have

1602
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 1: to ask. What was Katherine Heigl like? Oh my god, okay,

1603
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: So I wanted to tell you this, that this, and

1604
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: also the oh I have two things to tell you

1605
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: that and also about Tyra Banks. Um, Katherine Heigel was

1606
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 1: a fucking delight and that she was loved on set

1607
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: like whatever. I was there for a matter of hours,

1608
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: but like jud loved her like she was a delay.

1609
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: I this is the first time I had filmed every anything,

1610
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 1: So I fully yelled my lines because they were in

1611
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 1: the other room. So I was like, it's fine, just

1612
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: like she was like I felt like she was whispering

1613
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: to me. And then I was like fully projecting so

1614
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: they could hear me, and then jud like, man, he's

1615
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: just like just a little smaller, just a little smaller.

1616
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, he means just like whisper.

1617
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: Just like so then I just like concentrate on talking

1618
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: really quiet like that was reacting as just talking quietly.

1619
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Alec Weldwin like straight up just whispers.

1620
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: That's what Tina says to rights, and she's like he

1621
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: just like speaks at a low whisper and a low decimal.

1622
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh, but it's all there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1623
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: Like that's part of it too, where you're just like

1624
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: because especially as a life performer, you're like, okay, well

1625
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm selling it, and it's like all those instincts just

1626
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: shut it down and just like trust that your eyes. Yeah,

1627
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: we'll just be as hard because then you're just like

1628
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm really big and like just big, you know. But

1629
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: then it's like if you just concentrate on talking really quietly,

1630
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: like it all just sort of happened it right, Yeah,

1631
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: you're just like it's weird. I got I got pulled in.

1632
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, I know, it's so but it

1633
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: was like if you just told me like to be

1634
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: small or whatever. It'd be like, I can't. But if

1635
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: she's just like just so, she was. She was a delight.

1636
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: She was loved on set. She was loved on set.

1637
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: She was a delight. And then it was such a

1638
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 1: bummer when that it came out, because because you just

1639
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: talking about it, because it was also like it wasn't

1640
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: like a few months after it came out. She was like,

1641
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: it was like opening weekend. She was like, it was

1642
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: a bummer and all this. I was like, oh, dude,

1643
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I think. I think she could

1644
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: I think a bunch of things could have happened. She

1645
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: could have waited to maybe express that particular opinion, even

1646
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 1: if it was justified. I think everyone could have maybe

1647
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: read that whole article because there is context. And I'm

1648
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: so not with you on this. I think that I

1649
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 1: think that Judd and Seth were way too harsh on her.

1650
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 1: They were not though at the time, at the time

1651
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: they really handled it graciously. Remember about it. I think

1652
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: that I feel like people asked them about it, but

1653
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: also consider how much fucking work that they did. Like

1654
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: when you're directing and writing a movie and like somebo

1655
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: he was fully acted in like one and a half things,

1656
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: but like it's so much easier, do you know what

1657
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean? And it's like she got to come in

1658
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: and be a star of a movie that the other

1659
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: star was like hustling and writing and all this work

1660
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: when the director is doing and he's also like throwing

1661
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: all this stuff out and then in editing for a

1662
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: million months it was their baby. She they have done

1663
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: so much water work and then she gets to be

1664
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: a fucking movie star off and and she wanted emmy

1665
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: basically for that movie. She went for that season of

1666
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: grays Anatomy. I'll tell you she work because the buzz

1667
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: had had been, the buzz had hit, and it was

1668
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 1: time to rework. She benefited from that movie in huge way.

1669
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 1: And then the thing, like the thing that really sells

1670
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: me of like, dude, this is on Catherine, not on

1671
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: them at all, is what she did to the writers

1672
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: of grades. You're right, that was very That was trash.

1673
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: It was trash. It was trash. But I'll say this,

1674
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: but were you the one who were like, I love

1675
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: that she took herself out of consideration? Well, I thought

1676
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: she was being I thought I thought she was doing

1677
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: what because when I was that was like, you don't

1678
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: have to a Nancy, you just do it, Just do it.

1679
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, some people do do this where if they

1680
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: win the next season, they will remove themselves for from

1681
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: consideration of unceremonious especially on a show life for His Anatomy,

1682
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: where there's many other actresses that are deserving of and

1683
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: often that very same award. And so I thought to

1684
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: myself when it was announced that she was removing herself

1685
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: from consideration, I think she's being fine to Sandro and

1686
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: Shandra Wilson, who and at the time Kate Walsh, who

1687
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: really could have won that award and she could have

1688
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: come on that angle, she could have totally been absolutely

1689
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: to be nasty, had to be nasty. And you can

1690
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: tell that was when I was like, oh maybe now

1691
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: the knocked up thing does seem And also like who

1692
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 1: is she being nasty too? Do you know what I mean?

1693
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Because like also when she's who bust the us to

1694
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: write for her? Which sucks? Yeah, who bust her? Has

1695
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: like sixties a week when she's working what three days

1696
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: a week? And like I know the multi you know,

1697
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: the single cam life is hard. Writer's life is longer

1698
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 1: hours and you're not getting in you think for free,

1699
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: and you're not getting your photo taken and all that,

1700
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: and like to do that to them after they got

1701
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: you an Emmy. It's just so crazy. I did wasn't

1702
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: given the material to warrant denomination. And also it's like

1703
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: on a show like that where they're trying to write

1704
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: for like twelve cast members. Yeah, and all the things

1705
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: that they must have done, And like how much did

1706
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: she get from getting that? I mean, you know what,

1707
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: I mean, all the free stuff she's getting, all the

1708
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: more money she's getting, all of that. But yeah, no,

1709
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 1: she's nobody's been her bigger enemy than herself. Yeah, this

1710
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: is why you need someone an insider like Tammy. That's

1711
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: why I wanted to ask the question, because I did, like, honestly,

1712
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: it's this thing that has followed her for so long.

1713
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: And I do think there is a sexist element to it,

1714
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 1: because I do think that men have done way worse

1715
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: and literally been nominated for Best Director at the Oscars

1716
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: after their indiscretions. But I will say it's hard for

1717
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: me though, because I'm just like, I don't want a

1718
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: female asshole to get away with it, just as got

1719
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: away with I think you're right, and I think assholes

1720
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: just shouldn't get away with it. I think I think

1721
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: if she is indeed confirmed an asshole, which you know,

1722
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: the things that she said are asshole ish. I mean

1723
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 1: she also does like nicing. She she organizes planes for

1724
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,480
Speaker 1: like Chihuahua's you know what I mean, Like people contain multitudes,

1725
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: I think she contains. But I just as a writer,

1726
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: I would never want to write for her because I

1727
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: just feel like he was the asshole jumped out, and

1728
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: it jumps out after a year of work. If you

1729
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: jump out at the beginning, asshole jumped out the asshole.

1730
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't jump out. It wasn't it. It wasn't a

1731
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: slow crawl. No, when we do we do a where

1732
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: that comes from? Right when when people say the so

1733
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,799
Speaker 1: and so jumped out, that comes from on charm school

1734
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: saying to Pumpkin, Pumpkin, she said, your behavior this evening

1735
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: was horror like the horror jumped out and then you

1736
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: jump back in, but jumped out the horror jumped out.

1737
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: I mean true, really, that is this is what reality

1738
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: TV is made for, and the fact that it has

1739
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: had that lasting impact. Hue, I can't believe Monique won

1740
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: an Oscar for pressure so and not that moment, an

1741
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 1: oscar for the one reality show. Okay, time for I

1742
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I really struggled with my I

1743
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. I'm so much self hate went

1744
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,879
Speaker 1: into it now because I'm telling you've listened to hundreds

1745
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: of them within like a matter of months, and then

1746
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: fully left it until but this morning. All the time,

1747
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: mine is barely written. So let's let's first. You should

1748
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: go first. I have something very Mine is potentially very dumb. Okay,

1749
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so

1750
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: many's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. When

1751
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: people say, hey, it's me, no bitch, you better say

1752
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: your name. If it's the nineties, which is when a

1753
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: lot of people did this, Hey it's me. I just

1754
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: picked out the phone when I had your voice memorize

1755
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: oftentimes the hey it's mears. I don't think so, honey, then,

1756
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: because I don't know you. I don't know you. If

1757
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I do, you can just say, hey, hey it's me.

1758
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Who's me? Especially Hey it's me nowadays? Yeah, bitch, I

1759
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: know who you are. I have a cell phone that

1760
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 1: says your name on it. I don't need to hear

1761
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Hey it's me. Just start the conversation. Everyone's name is

1762
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: very valuable. Hey it's me. No, you have a name

1763
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: that your mother gave you, and your mother and your

1764
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: father and whoever whomever named you. Spend a long time.

1765
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: Hey Tammy, it's Matt, and that is respectful to my parents.

1766
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: Hey it's me. Hey it's me. Also, I don't like

1767
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: the cadence of it, Hey it's me. Like it's just like, okay,

1768
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: this is too familiar, especially if maybe if we just

1769
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: got off the phone and then I got disconnected and

1770
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: then you come back, then hey it's me. Otherwise I

1771
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: don't think so. And that's one minute, so masterfull down

1772
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: to the second. Would you ever call me and then

1773
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: say hey, it's me and I'd be like hey, and

1774
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: I just get right and you get right into it.

1775
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: But the next why you're worth it? So this is

1776
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: this is an interesting thing. So for people you do know,

1777
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 1: who you are familiar with, you would rather they just

1778
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: cut to the chase. But for people you don't know you,

1779
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: they have to introduce themselves to you. Yes, interesting, nothing

1780
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: in between. Hey it's me. Hey, it's me is the

1781
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: in between it, and you don't want that liminal space anywhere.

1782
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: It's here's where, here's where, Hey, it's me rears its

1783
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: head the most in voicemails. Sure, it's like I know, hey,

1784
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: it's me, but here's that I know nowadays and then hey,

1785
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: it's me back in the day when you didn't necessarily

1786
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: know what. I don't always have people's I'm such a

1787
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: procrastinator that I don't always put people's phone numbers in

1788
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: even like it takes one second, So I sometimes just

1789
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: have a phone number. Well, and that's why, that's why

1790
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: you need to tell yeah, don't don't, just don't. Hey

1791
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: it's me is never okay, never, okay, absolutely, thank you, Matt.

1792
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: That was that was inspired. Okay, Um, I have one

1793
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: very loose, all right, it's very loose, very loose, the

1794
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang story, and it's time starts now, I don't

1795
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Getting motherfucking stamps in New York City.

1796
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: I was trying to mail in my absentee ballot for

1797
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Colorado Sweetie yesterday, and it took me seven different locations

1798
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 1: to finally pick up a sheet of stamps. Here's here's

1799
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: the roundown the post office on Atlantic Avenue, right by

1800
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: my apartment. The line was agreed. Just I said, no,

1801
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: I don't have the time for this. Went to three

1802
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: different bodegos. They all said no, we don't. Went to

1803
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: three different chain of pharmacies. Your CBS is your Dwayne reads,

1804
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: your wall queens. None of them had stamps. And yet

1805
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: the the USPS website said falsely claims that they do.

1806
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I was allied to by the Internet,

1807
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: which I mean nowadays at hack when the Internet lies

1808
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: to you, and two on the nose. So finally I

1809
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: go into Manhanan go to the post office on Varick

1810
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: and thank goodness, the lovely gentleman there gave me a

1811
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: sheet of stamps. And this is not um. The Postal

1812
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Services wonderful. They were the first line of defense for

1813
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: all these explosives that went out to all these democratic leaders.

1814
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: And that's one moment. Oh God, so there you go.

1815
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: So I love it. I love a fifty five second negative.

1816
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't think a second, but thank you. Hear to

1817
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: my heroes, the Postal Service. But else the post office

1818
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: they usually like a vending machine stand in New York City.

1819
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw nary a vending machine in these

1820
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 1: post offices. But what can we say, Tammy? So I

1821
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: wrote something not psyched about it felt like I never

1822
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: thought it went no stop that I know what's going

1823
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: to be Brilliant's gonna No, it's not it tried too hard, no, no, whatever,

1824
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: whatever times whenever people say whatever, never read enough moment

1825
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 1: when we always want more. I don't think some honey

1826
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 1: is a low ceiling high floor for success. This is

1827
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: this is Tammy Sagers. I don't think so honey kind

1828
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 1: of starts now, I don't think so honey me ending

1829
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 1: up in the shittiest of all timelines, where the Cubs

1830
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 1: one was the first time a simulator getting lazy flipping

1831
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: some switches it never should have been flipped. Feeling the

1832
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: outer edges of the Truman Show glitches just in the

1833
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: names of who we are dealing with, like the Republican

1834
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: senators willing to once in a while stand up. His

1835
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: name is Jeff Flake up, seriously Flake and he's not

1836
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: even gonna bother running again, and flakes Ivana and ivunk

1837
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: cup okay, and the feeling like there are no repercussions

1838
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: for any misbehavior except for the arbitrary swats of the universe,

1839
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: fly swatter that somehow managed to splatter al Franken's body

1840
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: against the walls of the US Senate. Phil Clinton is

1841
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: still doing a book tour. No one that cares, and

1842
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: nobody blinks. And I when number forty five doesn't decry

1843
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 1: the murder of a Saudi journalist, but instead that was

1844
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: the worst cover up ever, And you can feel his outrageous.

1845
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: If only had been a better cover up, he could

1846
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: have looked the other way. He would have screamed fake news,

1847
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: which honestly, remember when that was the problem Hillary was

1848
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: facing for the election. It's like a rapist taking the

1849
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: mantle of victim, put from the rape to no. Yeah,

1850
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. And I don't think so, honey,

1851
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: When we're accepting Supreme Court justice saying he was a

1852
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: virgin for years, when the allegation was not penetration but

1853
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: almost choking arc as he left, they have fumbled and

1854
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: trying his stuff is drunk and privileged, young rape dick

1855
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: and failed. She's seen as a victim. And I don't

1856
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. And four

1857
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: change seconds and every second was essential that was and

1858
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: can I tell you something that was the most words

1859
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 1: permitted of any I don't think so, honey, And that

1860
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: puts you in the Guinness Book of World Record and

1861
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: the most holistic all covered everything that was that is

1862
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: happening every ill insisting. I don't think so, honey. We

1863
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: need for today. But I'm also like, what is happening

1864
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: in my other timeline? Oh? In your other timeline? Do

1865
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: you think it's much more positive? Yeah? But I also

1866
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing a better job of things, do

1867
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? In the other timeline. Yeah?

1868
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I feel like my other timeline me is just like

1869
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: a lot healthier. Yeah. You just just like making harder

1870
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: choices that are ultimately better, do you know what I mean?

1871
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: But nothing I do, nothing's preventing you from from doing that, now,

1872
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, except my laziness stuff. That's what it is.

1873
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is Sadie Cohen. This is Sadie Cohen.

1874
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: I can't believe we had Sadie Cohen on the show

1875
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 1: Second Boom, Chicago, Second City Legend. Sadie Cohen and writer

1876
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: for Every Perfect Television show, Tammy Segrete. This is this

1877
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: was so great and I'm this like truly like I had.

1878
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: I was so excited for this episode and just tears

1879
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:20,799
Speaker 1: were totally absolutely thanks you guys. UM, please watch Oranges

1880
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: the New Black UM this upcoming season, final season. UM,

1881
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: and we loved Tammy so much with the song wh

1882
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: Stars of a Thousand Spotlights all the song Shine of

1883
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: the Last Guy. We'll never be enough, never been enough,

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