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Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Podcast. This is a unique podcast because

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Speaker 1: Chris Mannix, who we just hired at the volume his

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Speaker 1: boxing podcast. Of course he has you know, fifteen years

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Speaker 1: plus in the NBA as well. But the fight just ended.

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Speaker 1: So I spent forty nine bucks for it and I

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Speaker 1: scored it. My first takeaway Chris, before I bring you on,

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Speaker 1: I had Logan Paul with a flurry at the end

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Speaker 1: of the first round is best round. I had Floyd's

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Speaker 1: best rounds as round three and round four, marginal and

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Speaker 1: round five. Then there was a lot of leaning Logan

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Speaker 1: and Paul was obviously fatigued by about the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: maybe the third. But Christ, let me start with this

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Speaker 1: is I think Logan Paul's pretty damn good. Now, obviously

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Speaker 1: Floyd's forty four years old. Logan Paul looked like Paul

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Speaker 1: Bunyan fighting me. I mean, he's so much bigger and thicker.

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Speaker 1: But my takeaway is Logan Paul can fight and that

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Speaker 1: and Floyd said after he's better than I thought. I

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Speaker 1: was surprised by the by the legitimacy of it. Were

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Speaker 1: you a little you know? One thing Logan did that

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Speaker 1: excuse me enabled him to go the distance was used

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Speaker 1: that heightened weight to lean on Floyd. Now we see

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Speaker 1: that boxing a lot with you know, heavyweights normally that

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Speaker 1: are the supersized heavyweights going up against smaller heavyweights. Tyson

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Speaker 1: Fury does it a lot. Logan was able to use

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Speaker 1: that six inch height advantage, the thirty five plus pound

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Speaker 1: weight advantage and slow Floyd down. Now, he was never

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Speaker 1: going to win, but in doing that, he enabled himself

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Speaker 1: to be able to finish, which for Logan Paul is

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Speaker 1: a massive win. Like look Logan Paul one tonight, Like

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Speaker 1: Logan Paul is the big winner. He went. He's twenty

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Speaker 1: six years old, a YouTuber who just got in the

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Speaker 1: ring with the distance with arguably the best boxer of

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Speaker 1: So you know, he acquitted himself as well as he

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Speaker 1: possibly could. Yeah, I mean my takeaway is he was

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Speaker 1: But he can take a punch. He's a big swinger.

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Speaker 1: I mean he listened. Floyd at forty four is still

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Speaker 1: lightning quick. It's a it's you know, it's it's that

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Speaker 1: Brady Lebron thing where you're like, Okay, this doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense. When George Blanda played in his forty he

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Speaker 1: Paul and his brother and his brother's gonna fight Tyrone Woodley,

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Speaker 1: the UFC guy. And when I was watching Logan tonight,

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Speaker 1: my takeaway was Woodley better be ready. He better trained

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Speaker 1: for this. He's a UFC guy. I think these guys

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Speaker 1: move consumers to pay per view, Chris, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think they're here to stay. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: by my nuts, no, I think they have some staying power.

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Speaker 1: I think at some point the novelty will wear off,

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Speaker 1: largely because they won't have the opponents that are going

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Speaker 1: to move the needle like Tyron Woodley. For Jake Paul

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Speaker 1: moves the needle. Now, Tyron Woodley is gonna get smashed

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Speaker 1: because Jake Paul can actually box a little bit, like

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Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's got some some skill to him, more

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Speaker 1: than Logan has, I think. But if these retired MMA

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Speaker 1: to try to make a couple of bucks, there will

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Like Logan and Floyd saved in

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Speaker 1: a way that what was a complete bleep show out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pouring rain in Miami, so you've got

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Speaker 1: fights on the undercard being stopped because they got to

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Speaker 1: wipe off the ring apron. The only fight that actually

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Speaker 1: mattered was this middleweight contest when Jared Hurd and Louise

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Speaker 1: Arius and both these guys are slipping and sliding across

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Speaker 1: the ring while it's going on. You know the fact

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Speaker 1: that this I meanwhile, you said you paid fifty bucks

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Speaker 1: to fanbo And I tell you what, you go on

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Speaker 1: didn't watch Logan, Paul acquitted himself. He's just a bigger guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, he looked fatigued by the fourth round. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think Mayweather neither guy hurt each other. Although

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Speaker 1: Floyd clearly landed more power punches. That was I don't

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Speaker 1: far more power punches, but he was so outsized. Floyd

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Speaker 1: I think Floyd knew he won the fight sixth, seventh,

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Speaker 1: and if if Jake Paul went into MMA, he'd get

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Speaker 1: destroyed by Tyron Woodley. It's just their combat sports. I

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Speaker 1: just they're just not similar I've seen it too many

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Speaker 1: times go both ways. Do you think Jake is significantly

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Speaker 1: It's hard to tell with Jake because Jake fought a

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Speaker 1: he's got that, whereas Logan's just kind of lumbering and

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll try to land one lucky punch. Jake's

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Speaker 1: punches aren't really lucky there. You know, I know his

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Speaker 1: we'll see Floyd back again doing something like this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this pay per view comes back and it's massive and

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Speaker 1: maybe then, but I think Tonight probably dissuaded Floyd from

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Speaker 1: Chris Mannix. We brought him over at the volume, so

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Speaker 1: I knew I've known Chris for a long time. I

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Speaker 1: I found out discovered you had a great thirst and

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting before we get to basketball, you've done

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Speaker 1: a really good job. This is very rare. I'm a generalist.

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Speaker 1: segue you pivot into boxing, and you've been embraced by

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Speaker 1: They're grade better than anything else, better than Game seven

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Speaker 1: boxing's absolutely on a comeback. There's fascinating figures and we

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Speaker 1: with what I thought was an incredibly discouraging loss for Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just talking and I spent most of

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Speaker 1: I think they're that good that they're going to win it.

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Speaker 1: Do you make anything out of Luca's fourth quarters or

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Speaker 1: you're starting to get like the little seeds of that, like,

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Speaker 1: all right, you've got this team, You've got Porzingis. Porzingis

427
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: is kind of mccollumn esque in terms of their stature

428
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: in the league. And you don't have that number two guys,

429
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: So it's tricky. It Maybe it comes down to draft picks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they don't have one this year because they're

431
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: went to the Knicks in the Porzingis trade. But they've

432
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Speaker 1: got to find a way to get at number two

433
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: or else. All the greatest of Luca don chich is

434
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: going to be wasted year after year. Yeah, it's funny.

435
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: I've addressed this. I've said for years. If I was

436
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: a free agent, Dallas would always be in my top three.

437
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: Right in the middle of the country. So you don't

438
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Speaker 1: have a six hour flight to Boston or a five

439
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: hour flight to Portland, no state tax. They've got a

440
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: nice setup. You can live in the Ritz Carlton or

441
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: four Seasons or whatever. It is right next to the arena,

442
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: beautiful girls, no state tax. Mark Cuban takes care of

443
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: his players, yet they don't. It's a really good point.

444
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: Dallas does not land free agents. And my theory's always

445
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: been one of two things. It's thought of as a

446
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: football state one or two. Cuban is such a star.

447
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: He takes the you know, the players feel like he

448
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: takes some shine off them. He is such an overwhelming presence.

449
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying either's right, but to your point, they

450
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: have not landed that free agent, and I think it's

451
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: a great destination. So moving to the Clippers. It's such

452
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: a weird franchise. It was such a weird series and

453
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: this is such a weird team. You know, I had

454
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: said this. I A it's a huge staff, they're well compensated,

455
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: and this was going to be blown up if they

456
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: lost this series. I mean, Balmer paid two billion cash.

457
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: Many thought this franchise wasn't worth a billion. Then he

458
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: goes and buys the Forum from James Dolan. Most thought

459
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: he overpaid for it. He doesn't have a history of patients.

460
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: He's a very dynamic personality, so people escape. I do

461
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: think I don't know if Utah Utah had no answer

462
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: for Lebron or Kawhi, even though I love Utah Chris

463
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: who defends Kawai in that series. For the Jazz, it's

464
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. It's a tricky series to project because, well, one,

465
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: Mike Conley's health is paramount and that like is he

466
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: at full strength? If he's not, Clippers have a huge

467
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: advantage there the three point shooting. You know, the Clippers

468
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: can give up a lot of three point shots the

469
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: Jazz record breaking, like they'll shoot any time anywhere. They're

470
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: the new Houston Rockets where they're just jacking him up

471
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: from all over the place, so they can get hot

472
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: in that sense. But it's it's a winnable series for

473
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Speaker 1: the Clippers. You can put Kawhi and Paul George on

474
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Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell and hope to shut him down. And similarly

475
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Speaker 1: with Utah, who out there is gonna help Donovan Mitche

476
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Speaker 1: a lot. If Conley is banged up, What is he

477
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it? Jordan Clarkson sixth Man

478
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Speaker 1: of the Year. Is he going to be able to

479
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: do it? In the postseason Joe Ingles, He's had some

480
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: great moments, but his three point shot is coming gone

481
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: at times. There's plenty of reasons to think the Jazz

482
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: are gonna win because I think they're you know, they

483
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: go like one to seven, as good as any team

484
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: left in the playoffs, and their chemistry is excellent as

485
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: a like a year ago March when it was dysfunctional,

486
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: their chemistry right now is excellent. I think that really matters.

487
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: But the Clippers enter this as in a winnable situation

488
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: and they still have to look, they still have to

489
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: get to the conference finals before anybody's really safe out

490
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: there like this. That was a you know, a brief

491
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: reprieve in beating Dallas in the first round, but the

492
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: second round matters just as much for everybody in that organization.

493
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, a lot of pressure

494
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: comes off them for how they were able to dig

495
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: deep do things that nobody thought they were gonna be

496
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: able to do, and now they've got some momentum going

497
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: into this series. So you know, to me, it's it's

498
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: very much a coin flip type of series, which is

499
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: really all you can hope for as as a Clippers

500
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: team going up against the top seed. All right, three teams.

501
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: I want to address the Celtics. You're just to capsualize

502
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the Brad Stevens replacing Danny age, your guests or knowledge

503
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: insight on who would be the next Celtic coach, you know,

504
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: as far as Brad Stevens replacing Danny Ainge, My issues

505
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: with it are directly tied to the fact that I

506
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: believe wholeheartedly that they could have had Sam Presti. Sam Presti,

507
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City thunder GM, arguably the best in basketball.

508
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: He is from Conquered Massachusetts. He played college basketball at

509
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: Emerson College in Boston. The Celtics might be his kind

510
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: of dream job. And he's been in Oklahoma City for

511
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: so long. They were the Sonics when he took over them,

512
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, back in the early two thousands. So I

513
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: believe that Sam Presty was there for the taking. If

514
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Speaker 1: you were the Celtics and if you have an opportunity

515
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: to have Sam Presty as your GM and Brad Stevens

516
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: as your head coach. By the way, those two tremendous relationship.

517
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Sam Presty actually kicked around the idea of hiring Brad

518
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Stevens back in twenty twelve, like when the Thunder went

519
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: to the finals, there was some thought within the organization

520
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: that Brad Stevens is gonna come in and replace Scott Brooks.

521
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Like it never came about because Scott did a tremendous

522
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: job with that team. But that's how much Sam Presti

523
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: love Brad Stevens, So that dynamic could have worked. So

524
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, people can talk about there are layers to it.

525
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: You don't understand. They should understand that, all right, you

526
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: could have had top three GM in all of basketball

527
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: coach in my opinion, still top five or six in

528
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: all of basketball. And you don't do it. You replace

529
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Danny Ainge, a veteran decision maker, with Brad Stevens, who

530
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: is brilliant, has one of the best basketball minds I've

531
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: ever been around, but as a complete novice in that job.

532
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: And now you're gonna go out and hire a coach,

533
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure which way they're going to go,

534
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: except I've been hearing that they're leaning towards hiring an

535
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: ex player, someone that would contrast a little with what

536
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens has been for that team over the last

537
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: eight years. I've heard email Udoka and assistant coach in

538
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Brooklyn who has it was considered a TIS star in

539
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: the coaching ranks from San Antonio to Philadelphia now working

540
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Darvin Ham is someone that's been making name

541
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: for himself in Milwaukee. There's gonna be there's gonna be

542
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: a wide net, I think cast over the next couple

543
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: of weeks. But I do believe a next player is

544
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: the way they're gonna go, and look call it. Maybe

545
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: that works, like maybe Brad is the next pat Riley

546
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: or the next Sam Presty or whatever he is. Maybe

547
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: he's the next great basketball executive. But I know Sam Presti,

548
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: who is like forty five or something like that. It

549
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: was out there, had spent a decade plus in Oklahoma City,

550
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: had built them into you as close to the mountaintop

551
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: as you could get them, and would probably feel comfortable

552
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: leaving in the position he'd put them in where they

553
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: have eighteen first round picks through twenty twenty seven, Shade

554
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Guilders Alexander lou Dortt. They've got a GM in waiting

555
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: in Rob Hennigan, who has been kind of lined up

556
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: to take that job in the event that Sam decided

557
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: to leave, not getting him to me, and not even

558
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: not even tempting to get him. I mean they made

559
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: this move. What a day after the season ended, they

560
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: elevated Brad and when Danny walked away not even having

561
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: the conversation, I think was a mistake. Is Rick Carlisle

562
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be in trouble. Mark Cuban addressed that

563
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: after the series. Is Frank Vogel in any trouble? So

564
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: here was my interpretation of the Jason Kidd's stuff, because

565
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: there's always something when it comes to Jason Kidd. Yeah,

566
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: the Portland stuff, like Jason Kidd's name in the mix,

567
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna be in the mix. He was somebody connected

568
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: to Boston that was never gonna happen. But the like

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00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: him being out there, part of me wondered, was this

570
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: kind of a way for Jason Kidd to get the

571
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Lakers job? Because you know, since Frank Vogel was hired

572
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: and had Jason Kidd kind of shoehorned onto his coaching staff,

573
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: we've all been talking about, you know, Jason Kidd eventually

574
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: taking over. Now, he never had the opportunity in that

575
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: first year because they were great from start to finish,

576
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: they won a championship. Frank was excellent coach of the

577
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Year type of candidate this year, the way the season finished,

578
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: even though no one with the same mind can say

579
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: any of it was Frank Vogel's fault. I mean, you

580
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: lose a d for half the season, Lebron for the

581
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: longest injury stretch of his career, Dennis Schroeder all the

582
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: issues that he had this season, then the playoffs and

583
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: what happened there. I've wondered if that's, you know, a

584
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: way for the camp of Jason Kidd to put any

585
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: pressure on the Lakers, say, well, look, he might get

586
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: a job somewhere else, you better hire him here. He's

587
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: Lebron's guy. They've been friends as the playing days. I

588
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: wonder about that. I don't believe the Lakers want to

589
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: do that or are going to do that, But that

590
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: was how I interpreted the Jason Kidd all the Jason

591
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: Kidd's stuff in the news over the last couple of days.

592
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Lebron can't stand being on the floor with Kyle Kuzma.

593
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: Shrewder's gone because of his contract. He'll be too much money.

594
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: Andre Drummond's not under contract. Tres Harrell is apparently in

595
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: the doghouse. I don't know what that is. He's are here. Personality,

596
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna look completely different. You know, I heard, I

597
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: know somebody in Lebron's camp told me three years ago.

598
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: Lebron loves sort of the adult seriousness, the composure of

599
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: Bradley Beale. I do think it pissed Lebron off when

600
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: a D showed up out of shape this year and

601
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: try to play himself into shape. Because I think Lebron,

602
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: without even saying it, fairly obvious eighteenth year condensed schedule.

603
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: It's like, brother, I'm gonna play about fifty five games.

604
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: I want to play about twenty eight minutes. I you know, listen,

605
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: it's clutch sports. So you know Lebron is family with

606
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: a D. I do think deep down, Lebron is sitting

607
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: to himself, thinking, God, I can't get a break. Kyrie

608
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: left me, was a flake. D Wade fell apart physically,

609
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Love got hurt. The Laker team will obviously look different.

610
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Do you see any big play or is it gonna

611
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: be Lebron a D and to bounce back here with

612
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: a long I mean, let's face it, they're gonna get

613
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: a really long layoff because they're bounced out in the

614
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: first round. Do you see any big swings elsewhere on

615
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: that roster? I just don't know how you get it.

616
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about Bradley Beale, if the Wizard's

617
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: shop Bradley Beale this summer. Every deal has to be

618
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: compared to what Boston could offer with Jalen Brown, like

619
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: the Celtics, you know, because of you know, Bill makes

620
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: sense for the Celtics. You know, the relationship with Jason Tatum,

621
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: he's twenty seven years old. They're kind of on the same, similar,

622
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: similar timeline. So you've got to be able to trump

623
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: a Jalen Brown offer at least that's that's the kind

624
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: of the bar at this point. I don't know how

625
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: the Lakers do that, how to do anything without giving

626
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: up Anthony Davis, and I don't think they're not going

627
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: to do that. So I don't know what they can do.

628
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: And frankly, I'm not so sure that having any kind

629
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: of of knee jerk reaction to this season is the

630
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: right move for them, Like Schroeder is and can be

631
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: a massive pain in the ass, Like there's no question

632
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: about it, Like he's got he's got some stuff, but

633
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: he's an excellent player, like he really is. Like and

634
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: I think if you resign him to a big deal,

635
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna get your money's worth. Like I think

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Speaker 1: he's a good guy. Kuzma, who knows he's never really

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Speaker 1: quite fit in to that to that team with Lebron. No. No.

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't hesitate though, to bring Drummond back on

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Speaker 1: the right deal. Like Drummond, I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: marketplace is going to look like for the guy, but

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Speaker 1: he only played what seven eight games with the star

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Speaker 1: players during the regular season, and we know that Davis

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Speaker 1: loves having that big, burly guy alongside him at least

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Speaker 1: during the right hates it. Hates it so like Drummond

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Speaker 1: can beat Dwight Howard two point zero if they can

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Speaker 1: get him at at a reasonable price. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just I keep looking back to where this team was,

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Speaker 1: you know, before things fell apart. Injury wise, they're right

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Speaker 1: there in the top three in the Western Conference. I

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Speaker 1: just I think if they can bring this band back

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Speaker 1: together and they're healthy, there's no reason to believe they

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Speaker 1: can't be top three in the Western Conference again. And

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Speaker 1: a healthy Lebron a healthy a D in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we really betting against them? Like I

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Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't if they get that far? All right, Chris

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Speaker 1: Mannox great boxing, Great NBA about forty minutes. Hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it at the Volume Sports. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: having you? Can we can we have before we go?

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Speaker 1: Can we have one brief conversation about Damian Lillard here? Like? Sure? Like? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Does this not feel like a moment for Damian Lillard?

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Speaker 1: Like not just because of the stuff he's He's kind

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00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: of putting some stuff out there that makes me believe

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Speaker 1: he's ready to go. Like he had this Instagram post

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Speaker 1: where he posted the Nipsey Hustle line about how often

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Speaker 1: do I have to You know, I won't try to

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Speaker 1: paraphrase it because I'm not that cool, but the m

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Speaker 1: and then he has and then he goes out and

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00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: he tells Chris Haynes, I want Jason Kidd to be

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Speaker 1: the next head coach. He's basically backing the Blazers up

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Speaker 1: against the wall. I don't know how you feel about this,

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Speaker 1: but if I'm Portland, I have a serious conversation with

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Speaker 1: Damian litt about moving him, because as great as he is,

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Speaker 1: he's thirty years old and that contract gets bad in

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Speaker 1: future years. So this might be the time. He was

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00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit this year, you know, dealt

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00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: with some some nagging injuries. There's gonna come a time

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: when you can't trade Damian Lillard at least you can't

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Speaker 1: get more than fifty cents on the dollar for him.

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: Now's the time you can get a buck five, you know,

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Speaker 1: for Damian Lillard. So unless you and beyond that, like

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00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: they just lost to a Denver team without its second

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Speaker 1: best player. Like, how do you go into the off

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Speaker 1: season thinking that you are going to be a contender

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Speaker 1: next year if Zach Collins comes back, Like, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it, like they they to me. And

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00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: it's almost sacrilegious to suggest this in Portland, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I look back at what Boston did when they were

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00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: smartly cut ties with with Pearce and KG and Rondo

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00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: and those guys and maximize their value at that time,

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Speaker 1: and that enabled to get to the decent position at

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: least that they're in today with Tatum and Brown. I

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Speaker 1: think you have to have that attitude. If you're Neil

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Speaker 1: ol Shay and the Blazers like you have to You've

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Speaker 1: got to be cold blooded in that position. If there's

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Speaker 1: a Godfather offer out there, you know one team that

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Speaker 1: looks at Lida's being a difference maker, whether it's New

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Speaker 1: York or wherever it may be, you've, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: you've got to at least explore it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you feel about that. Yeah, I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: think because of the Walton Booie, Brandon Roy Greg Oden injuries,

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Speaker 1: they're so snake. But as a franchise that to move Damien,

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Speaker 1: who is tough, healthy, loyal and great, I think it's asking.

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Speaker 1: Portland moves at a very slow speed. They usually get

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Speaker 1: things right, but they move at a very slow speed,

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Speaker 1: and that's a big ask for Portland. Damian Lillard is

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Speaker 1: the franchise. Listen, I would keep him and Norman Powell,

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Speaker 1: maybe Covington. I'd move everybody. I move the whole franchise.

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Speaker 1: But but the question, you know, you know he and

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Speaker 1: Norman Powell, that works for me. Everybody else i'd move.

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Speaker 1: I listen, everybody wants Damian Lillard. If if what's his

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Speaker 1: contract situation right now, how many is it right? I

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Speaker 1: would say it's through twenty twenty five, when it gets

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Speaker 1: north of fifty million. So basically Portland neil O'Shea would

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Speaker 1: have to have a big brass pair of you know what,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think they I don't think they have

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Speaker 1: it in him. I don't and I lived there. They're

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Speaker 1: they're one of the they struggled moving off far less

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Speaker 1: beloved players. They just they just don't. And you know

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Speaker 1: it's Oregon football and Blazer basketball, um and and you

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Speaker 1: know Terry Stotts, you knew he was dead. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you just knew it was over. Somebody's got to take

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Speaker 1: the heat. I don't even know the kind of deal

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Speaker 1: you could generate. Listen. I'd love to see Luca and

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Speaker 1: and if I was Mark Cuban, and I'd give away

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Speaker 1: everything to get Dame Lillard. But I don't know what

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Speaker 1: kind of deal can be. Listen, Jimmy Butler in Miami,

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Speaker 1: pat Riley's a deal maker. But what do they have.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I would give up bam at a Bayou,

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Speaker 1: I give up Tyler Hero, I give up Duncan Robinson.

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Speaker 1: That just doesn't feel like none of those guys have

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Speaker 1: the it that Dame does. God, Dame's a good businessman,

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Speaker 1: he's so cool, he's I just I can't see what

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Speaker 1: in God's name could Portland get back that the fans

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Speaker 1: would even be warm too. Forget you're you're pissing off

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Speaker 1: the fans no matter what. But sometimes you got to

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Speaker 1: do that if you're a general manager, like you've got

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Speaker 1: a deal with short term backlash, if you truly believe

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Speaker 1: there's long term game and you have to look at

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Speaker 1: it at least I do now in like this three

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Speaker 1: year window where that's I think next three years or

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Speaker 1: where Dame is still going to be top five, top

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Speaker 1: ten player, And do you have the horses there? Like

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Speaker 1: you can these trades like CJ McCollum, you can move

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Speaker 1: this offseason, but what are you getting back for him

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Speaker 1: that makes you a championship contender? And if you're not

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Speaker 1: a championship contender and you you know Portland better than

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Speaker 1: I do, are you okay with just maxing out maybe

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Speaker 1: in the second round for the next few Do you

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Speaker 1: do you do you buy Anfredy Simons? Do you do

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Speaker 1: you um? Is? He's very talented, but how far away

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00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: is he he's at least and I hate the old

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Speaker 1: friend for line two years away and two years away,

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Speaker 1: but he's probably two years away from being able to

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Speaker 1: contribute at the highest level. I think, Yeah, if he was,

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Speaker 1: if he was ready to play, you know, then it

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00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: begets more interesting. Yeah, but you're you. I I can't

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Speaker 1: even think of a deal that works. I can think

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00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: of twenty eight teams that would take him. I can't

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Speaker 1: think of anybody you could get in return. You'd have

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Speaker 1: to have somebody. Well, you'd have to get. Just said,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to get if you're gonna get a to

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Speaker 1: be a guy you have control over, right, Like you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna trade Lillard and a Bradley Beal swap because

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Bradley Bill will walk out the door in a year.

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Speaker 1: So you've got to get in the way. Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: got Shay Gilders Alexander in that Paul George deal. They

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Speaker 1: got Shay knowing he's on a rookie deal, all that

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Speaker 1: Boston Jalen Brown kind of similar situation. You could move

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Speaker 1: him there, Tyler, like the piece that they have in

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Speaker 1: Miami are certainly movable. If you're not gonna do it,

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Speaker 1: I think you at least have to explore it. I

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Speaker 1: think you have to at least kick the tires on

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Speaker 1: it because I don't know the pathway this team has

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Speaker 1: to winning a championship. That's not what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: And maybe this is just me growing up and being

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Speaker 1: in Boston and seeing what Angel did, like seeing like, look,

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Speaker 1: we can get to the second round with Pierson KG

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Speaker 1: for a couple more years and like let them retire

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Speaker 1: as Celtics, or we can go fleece Brooklyn and get

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Speaker 1: our team the kind of draft assets it needs to

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Speaker 1: rebuild on the fly. And maybe that's what's gonna be

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Speaker 1: all about. Maybe it's about draft assets from a team,

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Speaker 1: because all it takes is one to be so crazy

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Speaker 1: and so eager to get their hands with Damian Lillard

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Speaker 1: that they'll do the Clippers did, what the Nets did,

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Speaker 1: what other teams have done, and just give up the

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Speaker 1: store to get your guy well, or you get lucky.

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Speaker 1: Paul George has a horrible series against Utah, Clippers lose,

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Speaker 1: then you can start giving you know, CJ. McCullum, then

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Speaker 1: you could give the Clippers. You have your wing in Kauhi.

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Speaker 1: If Paul George stinks it up against Utah, that's who

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Speaker 1: I go after. I give Damian assault because it's not

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Speaker 1: a very good defensive team. Everybody can score, nobody can defend.

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Speaker 1: Covington's pretty decent defender. But I think I would go

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Speaker 1: after Paul George. I would kick the tires on trying

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Speaker 1: to get Paul George. If I'm nioloshe across my fingers.

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Speaker 1: Paul's brutal against Utah. Utah wins. And you know, as

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Speaker 1: you said earlier, ball Meroll blows something up. Kawhi's going nowhere.

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Speaker 1: He'll move some pieces. That's that's to me, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in big swings. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the town would do. Dame is almost close to

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry beloved. I mean that's how close it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, La could give or take Lebron this morning.

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Speaker 1: I feel that way. They really the same with Kauai.

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00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: I really do Steph in Golden State, Luca in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: You just don't. I mean, Philadelphia could get rid of

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Speaker 1: embat Or Simmons that they lose this series. Dame is

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Speaker 1: it's a tough chip to move to me. We all

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Speaker 1: know the close relationship Dame and Paul George have from

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Speaker 1: over the years of those Oklhoma City battles that was

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Speaker 1: a bad Yeah, they've got an interesting history. I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree with you that it's that it's difficult, if not impossible,

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Speaker 1: to cobble together a deal, and difficult, if not impossible,

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Speaker 1: to deal a player of that stature in that community.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a big believer in the philosophy that if

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Speaker 1: you're not if you're not in on a path to

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Speaker 1: win a championship, what are you doing otherwise? Is you're

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Speaker 1: better off being at the bottom than you are kind

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Speaker 1: of in the middle of the pack. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: sort of the mindset I have with Damian Lill and

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Speaker 1: the Blazers. Great talking to you, buddy, Nice job always.

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