WEBVTT - Bashley Meets Shandy with Sharleen Joynt and Andy Levine

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost Podcast. Today we have

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<v Speaker 2>the cast the hosts of Deer Shandy. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, did you change? Did she your last name?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Why does it say Charlie Levine?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was just wondering because I was like, going

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce you to and I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what her what her last name is?

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<v Speaker 4>Right now? I could not do Charlene Levine Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Andy Levine and Charlene joined joining us. Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys may know Charlene if you if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>listened to Deer Shandy. It's a relationship podcast. It's so

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<v Speaker 2>much fun. I've been a part of it. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>But Charlene was part of wanm. Pablo season, a very

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<v Speaker 2>memorable cast member as somebody who has only appeared on

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<v Speaker 2>one season in the Bachelor franchise and is yet still

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<v Speaker 2>so memorable eleven years later.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh God, don't say that. It's been so.

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<v Speaker 5>Long and I was possible just make it a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's been ten years since mine aired, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was there's was before.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Still talking about it and it's still going. We're still going.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlene Levine, I don't know, Charlene. I think Charlene Levin

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<v Speaker 2>might big cube.

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<v Speaker 5>It might. It might have been a mess, yeah, Charlene

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<v Speaker 5>san Levine.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking to them about how they just look as

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<v Speaker 2>if the past eleven years hasn't happened. We think that

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<v Speaker 2>they drink baby blood or something like that. Along with

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<v Speaker 2>Nick viol who they officiated his wedding last year. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's some coup here, some coup about looking fifteen years younger.

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<v Speaker 5>He gave us the potions bottle to.

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<v Speaker 4>That, because we can't take compliments. Is that you are

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<v Speaker 4>also part of the secret society because you were also

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<v Speaker 4>at that wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just haven't been invited into the secrets of

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<v Speaker 3>the coup. Yeah, that society yet. We've talked about it before.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's just remind everybody you guys did a great

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<v Speaker 3>job officiating that wedding.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so nice to a joint officiating too.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks saying that that was a weeper. Let me tell

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<v Speaker 4>you that was a high stress situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did my cousins, which is such an honor.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the reason it's so stressful, because it's such

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<v Speaker 3>an honor and no matter what you do, like preparing

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<v Speaker 3>for that, you're like, I'm I'm participating in the I

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<v Speaker 3>have the ability to not make don't give yourselves that credit,

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<v Speaker 3>but ruined, ruin the best day of their life. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like my only option. I either do fine and

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<v Speaker 3>nobody remembers it, or I ruin it and everybody talks

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 5>The best you can do is no one remembers it poorly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, anything below that you've failed.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. I totally agree. Well we're here today because, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys do have a very very fun podcast. As

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<v Speaker 3>Ashley mentioned, you're talking about relationships. You're sharing insights. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to say advice because that makes it sound

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<v Speaker 3>like you guys think you know it all. You don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You listen to people's stories. Well, you give insights into

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<v Speaker 3>your situation and others and things you've learned along the way.

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<v Speaker 4>So we also talk reality TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh we do, And that's right and somehow and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna just make a general statement. You tell me if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm completely off. Okay, you don't seem like a reality

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<v Speaker 3>television person to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know they're way too highbrow for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, I just get this image of

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<v Speaker 3>my blast intellectuals. You would not do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And so my question, I guess from that is like

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<v Speaker 3>why or am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, you're right, but I've married into the franchise, so

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<v Speaker 5>in part I have no choice. But in reality, I

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<v Speaker 5>actually that despite how silly it all is, there's a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of meat to analyze in reality TV from a

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<v Speaker 5>relationship perspective, psychological perspective. Even though some people may go

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<v Speaker 5>on the show now with the intention of gaining whatever

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<v Speaker 5>you want to call it, fame, Instagram fame, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 5>now I think there becomes a no choice boundary where

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<v Speaker 5>they are now in the machine, They're in the experiment,

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<v Speaker 5>and they are part of this experience that they no

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<v Speaker 5>longer have control over. And that's interesting to analyze from

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<v Speaker 5>a psychological perspective. I would never have watched these shows

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<v Speaker 5>had it not been for Charlene. But I must thank

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<v Speaker 5>Charlene for bringing me into the fold. Now I've become

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<v Speaker 5>an ambassador of this amazing sphere of human life.

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<v Speaker 3>Has amazing billion dollar ip that seems to never go away.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Charlie, what were you.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to say?

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, it's a really fun outlet, especially for someone like

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<v Speaker 4>it Andy, who has a big personality and just never

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<v Speaker 4>did anything with it and is super analytical and like

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<v Speaker 4>just really can read interpersonal dynamics. And I think you

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<v Speaker 4>guys know it's like we all went on this show.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like you want a little something more out of life,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're not really sure what it is, and who

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<v Speaker 4>knows if the right thing to do was go on

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<v Speaker 4>the Bachelor or become the Bachelor. But what it can

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<v Speaker 4>do is sort of let you flex a muscle that

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you've never flexed before. And that's been really fun

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<v Speaker 4>with Andy, Like in the Pandemic, that's when I had

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<v Speaker 4>the time. I was like, let's finally do it, let's

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<v Speaker 4>be podcasters, And it was so fun to see him,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just sort of spread his wings in this

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<v Speaker 4>department and be the person that I know he is,

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<v Speaker 4>but like get to share that with everyone. It's really fun,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's very validating for me. It's basically a big

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<v Speaker 4>I told you so for me because he's so popular

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, that's all.

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<v Speaker 5>It is this and I told you so.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun I married of reality star. Basically, he is the

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<v Speaker 2>personality that he could have been one exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to take that. I'm thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Any member of this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of honorary members, for sure. I would

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<v Speaker 2>say that like Hayley. You know, Beca's girlfriend is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>an honorary member, as is tany Rad and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>him this weekend on a wedding. But yeah, there's definitely honoraries.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like Andy, you are one jes for sure. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Am I missing anyone else? Obvious?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But talk about somebody that would never want to be

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<v Speaker 3>on television Jess my wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that is true. Okay, guys, so you talk highly

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, the Bachelor, Andy, You've enjoyed it for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part. Have you enjoyed this season? Because this

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<v Speaker 2>is the first season that I've said publicly on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, guys, if it weren't for this podcast, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>We I mean, we're with you on that.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say that I have enjoyed this season to

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<v Speaker 5>make fun of it more than any previous season. And

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<v Speaker 5>I always enjoy making fun of the seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you enjoyed making fun of.

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<v Speaker 5>The most Oh my god, are you really putting me

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<v Speaker 5>on the spot. There's so many teachers from.

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<v Speaker 4>All the amazing woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been sure if I should say anything, especially

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<v Speaker 2>not on air, feeling I could say it like Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Ben Hannah. He does say the amazing

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<v Speaker 2>woman in the plural meaning plural.

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<v Speaker 4>But apparently it's not specific to grant what we're learning.

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<v Speaker 2>The girls are doing it too, Juliana doesn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I think even Jesse dropped a couple.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the whole theme of the season as everybody

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<v Speaker 2>forgot the word women. Yes, the entire cast.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't even know which ones which anymore. I seriously,

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<v Speaker 5>I've lost track.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a there was a moment when I was

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<v Speaker 3>the lead I forget. I think I was like I

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<v Speaker 3>would say this is hilarious. I'd walk into a room

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<v Speaker 3>and be like ladies, and then at some point, like

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<v Speaker 3>one of the producers pulled me aside and they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>call them women, it's more respectful, And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't like meaning this in a a way of disrespect.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like didn't know how to refer to a

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<v Speaker 3>group of thirty people sitting in the room, like it

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<v Speaker 3>gets a little nerve wracking to walk into a room.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was just like, ladies, I'm here, and uh, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems more natural, though, Yes, what else are you supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to say?

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<v Speaker 4>Hello?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello women? Hello women? No? They literally like, we're like

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<v Speaker 3>you need to call them women every moment in any interview,

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<v Speaker 3>anytime you confront them like women, And I'm like, that

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<v Speaker 3>just seems like almost like I don't know why. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it is more respectful, but to me it felt so formal,

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<v Speaker 3>and the formality of it made it feel the meaning

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<v Speaker 3>like I thought we were all friends. Like that was

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<v Speaker 3>maybe my biggest mistake as a lead was I just

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<v Speaker 3>thought we were all doing this thing together and figure

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<v Speaker 3>out how it played out. I didn't want to make

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<v Speaker 3>it too formal, but it was like, hello women, my

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<v Speaker 3>name is Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty seven, and I am just thinking that it

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<v Speaker 2>could be appropriate to call me a woman at thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>At twenty six, I was certainly not a woman. I

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<v Speaker 2>would feel awkward if you had call me a woman

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty six.

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<v Speaker 5>I totally agree. There there came a point I don't

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<v Speaker 5>remember what year it was where suddenly I felt weird

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<v Speaker 5>saying the word lady or woman, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 5>women when I was younger wanted to be called girls

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<v Speaker 5>and no one wanted to be called a lady. But

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<v Speaker 5>then lady was okay, and then women became not okay,

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<v Speaker 5>and now women's okay. I cannot keep track. I literally

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<v Speaker 5>every time I say I have to say the word,

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<v Speaker 5>whether whatever word it is, I get nervous. And I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, Okay, you can do this. Remember what's the

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<v Speaker 5>word you call a person with a vagina. You can

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<v Speaker 5>do this, and I always get it wrong. I'm like, Nope,

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<v Speaker 5>you should have said lady. That was a lady time,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a woman time. It's craziness.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still correcting. That's very amusing. Yeah, but what's funny

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<v Speaker 4>about this, Ben Higgins, is that I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 4>would argue with me and saying you were one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most respectful bachelors. Yeah, in this franchise's history known

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<v Speaker 4>for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was good training then, because they made it

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<v Speaker 3>look like that. They said call them women, not ladies,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody watching was like, he's so respectful. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying not to mess up here, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just trying my best. But thank you for that. I hope,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that's the like, if that's the memory people have,

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<v Speaker 3>then this was all worth it for me.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Ben Higgins, I can't call him. Ben's Ben Higgins.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a moment in time like I will meet we

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<v Speaker 4>will meet Mark, Yes, Like we'll meet people who I

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<v Speaker 4>want to listen to the podcast and they won't even

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<v Speaker 4>know I was on the show. And it's like, when

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<v Speaker 4>did you start watching? It's like Ben Higgins season, this

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<v Speaker 4>happened just a week ago. Like it's like you are

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<v Speaker 4>like the Millennium.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then the follow up is and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>watch a season after that because I hate that show.

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<v Speaker 3>The the interesting thing so like, this is a good

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<v Speaker 3>point and it's going to transition to me into a

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<v Speaker 3>question that I think maybe the two of you will

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<v Speaker 3>relate with. You know, when we just had our daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to a lot of people who were

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<v Speaker 3>dads and I was like, I don't necessarily know how

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<v Speaker 3>to be a dad to a daughter. And they said this,

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<v Speaker 3>They said, you are there to represent what a man

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<v Speaker 3>should be to her and let her mom like do

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<v Speaker 3>the rest, and so I do. Charlene hear you. And

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<v Speaker 3>if that is a memory of the time that I

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<v Speaker 3>was given the opportunity to be on the show that

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<v Speaker 3>people say, Hey, that's how I want a guy to

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<v Speaker 3>treat my daughter, then this is all good. Like then, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like peaceful about that and really excited about

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<v Speaker 3>that because I hope I can now show my daughter

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<v Speaker 3>how a man should treat a woman. So I hear that,

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<v Speaker 3>and that means a lot to me. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>saying that. That's what my point was there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's so sweet and also the most Ben Higgins response.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I am like geeking out over the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you guys made fun of Grant for women, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>then is like, this is what women mean to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on. So here's my frustration with this season. We've

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<v Speaker 3>been like we wanted Grant to succeed one. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>he was a weird choice strictly from the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't know him. I thought he was set up

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<v Speaker 3>from failure from the beginning, no matter who he was

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<v Speaker 3>or what he would do, because he was coming into

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<v Speaker 3>it as such a an underdog and somebody that we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't understand from his season, we didn't get to know,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't get to root for or like share tears with,

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<v Speaker 3>So he just kind of got chosen. And I always

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<v Speaker 3>think that's a weird choice when they choose somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>really has no backstory on the show, if they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to choose somebody from the show. So the hope is, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get to know Grant. That was a big wish

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<v Speaker 3>of ours at the Almost Famous podcast, we want to

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<v Speaker 3>get to know Grant. I will say, we're almost done

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<v Speaker 3>with this season. We have analyzed, we have made fun of,

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<v Speaker 3>we have celebrated, we have talked about this show for

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<v Speaker 3>ten weeks. Whatever it is, I don't know Grant, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I still don't know the guy. And I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to say that's his fault because I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>that's his fault. But I will say at some level

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<v Speaker 3>it's somebody's fault, the show's his or whatever that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't I don't necessarily understand him, and I typically don't

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<v Speaker 3>feel that way. Even with the Clayton's of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like I could get a pretty good judge

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<v Speaker 3>of what he was after, even though, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the show didn't nexts toy pop for anybody. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I get what this guy's after or what

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<v Speaker 3>he's about. And I don't know if it's going to work.

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<v Speaker 4>Long term, but at least I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But at least I know, and so I'll watch that

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<v Speaker 3>play out. I don't know Grant. I watch him every

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<v Speaker 3>week almost as a stranger, and I want to know

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<v Speaker 3>if you all feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>Company.

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<v Speaker 5>This is an echo chamber. I mean we have said

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<v Speaker 5>the whole season, who is this guy? Where is Grant Ellis?

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<v Speaker 5>Show us Grant Ellis. He doesn't even like when he

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<v Speaker 5>has an opportunity to make a choice, he doesn't even

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<v Speaker 5>make the choice. It's like, why did he give Carolina

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<v Speaker 5>mixed signals when she pulled him aside? Or he pulled

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<v Speaker 5>her aside even though she's her Why did you keep

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<v Speaker 5>her by her demeanor?

0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.880
<v Speaker 4>As he later said it women.

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<v Speaker 5>She practically begged. She's like, look, I'm here. I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 5>if you want to send me home, go for it.

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<v Speaker 5>I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Connection.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no hard feelings. And he's like, no, I

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<v Speaker 5>really have strong feelings for you. I want you to

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<v Speaker 5>stick around. We got a good thing here, and then goodbye.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and That's just one example. We've had, well a

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<v Speaker 4>beef I've had all season, and we really like Grant

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<v Speaker 4>as what he seems to be as a person.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he's a great time. I have nothing, but

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<v Speaker 3>but I just don't know him exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>You've been saying that he's just like we don't know

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<v Speaker 4>him any better than we did on GEN season, Like

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<v Speaker 4>even the lone wolf thing, like we'd learned that on

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<v Speaker 4>GEN season. I still feel like we've heard the same backstory,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it hasn't gone deeper. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>it's him being kind of camera shy or what, but

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<v Speaker 4>something I have felt has been lacking is a sense

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<v Speaker 4>of conviction in what he wants to do. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>matter what girls have said about whomever. It's like he's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of running around with a chicken with its head

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<v Speaker 4>cut off, like, oh, she said that, he said she

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<v Speaker 4>said that, and like it's sort of like I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have a sense. And I think that's even reflected in

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that he doesn't even know who he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to pick between the final two. And I know that's

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<v Speaker 4>being teased and sometimes that's an exaggeration, but I really

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<v Speaker 4>do see it, like I think that he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>that like huh, that gut piece about the women, about

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<v Speaker 4>who he likes best, and I think that's being reflected

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<v Speaker 4>in his choices and how he It's just sort of

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<v Speaker 4>feels kind of like, kind of like wishy washy. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't really have a sense who he is.

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<v Speaker 5>It feels like he's playing the role and he's not

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<v Speaker 5>actually the person anymore. It just feels like he's saying

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<v Speaker 5>what he thinks he's supposed to say and doing what

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<v Speaker 5>he thinks he's supposed to do. I don't get the

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<v Speaker 5>feeling he really even wants to be there, And for

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<v Speaker 5>that reason, I don't really have a lot of faith

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<v Speaker 5>in whoever he picks. If he picks anyone, it's going

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<v Speaker 5>to last.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think he's really sincere. I hope it works.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's sincere, but not for somebody's meeting on

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<v Speaker 5>this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if you were to like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>zoom away from this, I think the answer is that

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't feel that strongly about any of them. No,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he says I love you to Letia this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I would argue with all this, I think he was

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<v Speaker 3>set up for failure, just like so many past leads

0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.440
<v Speaker 3>have been set up for failure. I've told Ashley this.

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<v Speaker 3>When it came to my time on the show, it

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<v Speaker 3>was so good until the previews came out and they

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<v Speaker 3>let me watch it while we were filming, and it

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<v Speaker 3>called me the perfect bin and that destroyed me. If

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<v Speaker 3>I could tell you the week it happened, and my

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<v Speaker 3>confidence was shot and my fear levels went up, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is I'm set up for failure.

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<v Speaker 3>You call me the perfect beIN. I can't live up

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<v Speaker 3>to that. That's not who I am, and that's not

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<v Speaker 3>reflective of who I want to be known as. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not that guy, and if that's how you're gonna market me,

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm going to fail you in that. In that pursuit,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say the same thing happened to Grant. Grant

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<v Speaker 3>was promoted as this amazingly handsome guy, so good looking,

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<v Speaker 3>the best looking bachelor we've ever had, which isn't wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>But think about how he's hearing that I'm handsome. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what you got for me. You've chosen me as the

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<v Speaker 3>Bachelor because I'm handsome, and so as a result, I

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<v Speaker 3>think his confidence is so low. I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he has the conviction because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think the show did a good job of preparing him

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<v Speaker 3>with you know who you are, Grant, you're somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>is confident, that is strong, that knows what he wants,

0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.280
<v Speaker 3>that has the opportunity to pursue a relationship here from

0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the show with thirty women, and you get this amazing

0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.720
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to date all of them and figure out what

0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.879
<v Speaker 3>you want. And it's okay to figure out what you want,

0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.280
<v Speaker 3>and you can send people home and they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>just fine. They're gonna be sad and maybe a little

0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.760
<v Speaker 3>mad at you, they're gonna be just fine and hurt, yes,

0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.640
<v Speaker 3>and he the show needed to do a better job

0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.600
<v Speaker 3>being like hurt him, like yeah for a second. And

0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.160
<v Speaker 3>then they're going to get an Instagram following and they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to start dating somebody. It's way more famous than

0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.560
<v Speaker 3>you anyways, and it's going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Or we could be really honest and just say that

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<v Speaker 2>he probably didn't have the personality to conduct the show.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't see what's wrong with.

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<v Speaker 2>That, and which is totally fine, but that's on them

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<v Speaker 2>for picking somebody who couldn't command the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Can it be d all of the above?

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<v Speaker 5>It's all of the above. But I agree with you Ashley.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's like there has to be a certain

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<v Speaker 5>type of person to be the Bachelor. You can't just say, oh,

0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:33.960
<v Speaker 5>this guy was a nice guy in the season and

0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.040
<v Speaker 5>he's tall and good looking, let's throw him in the role.

0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.240
<v Speaker 5>You have to have a certain type of personality. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think Grant, honestly, in real life and human life,

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.960
<v Speaker 5>is probably a very cool, affable guy you want to

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<v Speaker 5>hang out with. But on TV it doesn't work. And

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<v Speaker 5>I blame I blame production, I blame casting, and you know,

0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.920
<v Speaker 5>to some degree as a third party, I do blame

0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.920
<v Speaker 5>Grant for just not taking a standard being like I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not going to just total line. I'm going to actually

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<v Speaker 5>do something here.

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<v Speaker 4>I also think Ben is onto something by saying that

0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.879
<v Speaker 4>he was set up for failure. You know, we only

0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.840
<v Speaker 4>where we're down two episodes this season versus past season.

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, so right off the bat, we're not getting

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<v Speaker 4>to know people as well. And I feel that the

0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.040
<v Speaker 4>season itself, and you know, it could be like it's

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<v Speaker 4>Chicken or ragg I don't know if it's because Grant

0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.520
<v Speaker 4>is the way he is that the season is like this,

0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.159
<v Speaker 4>or Grant is being that way because the season is

0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 4>the way it is. But we can all agree that

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:31.119
<v Speaker 4>this season feels rote. It feels derivative. It feels like

0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.560
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm watching like a parody of itself,

0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.040
<v Speaker 4>except a bad one. Like it's like even the hometowns, Like,

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like, what are we even watching? This could

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.840
<v Speaker 4>have been from ten years ago, but at least they

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.200
<v Speaker 4>were working with what they had, with the personalities they had.

0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 4>This just feels like they're trying to like squeeze everything

0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.719
<v Speaker 4>into the same formula we know, instead of just like

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.280
<v Speaker 4>letting it be and letting us watch what happens. It

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.440
<v Speaker 4>doesn't feel like reality TV. It feels almost semi scripted.

0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.240
<v Speaker 4>Like the scenes with Zoe to me feel like like

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.160
<v Speaker 4>almost scripted. And sometimes Grant's ims it feels like he's

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.240
<v Speaker 4>like reading off a teleprophone.

0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.680
<v Speaker 5>And that's another thing. What was Zoe doing there? Why

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.879
<v Speaker 5>was she? Why was she in fantasy Suites?

0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.919
<v Speaker 2>Because he obviously didn't like anybody enough, so he had

0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.200
<v Speaker 2>to pick somebody to fill that spot.

0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:16.400
<v Speaker 5>What about Carolina and Alex? What happened there?

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well that's that's an weird thing. We've had an

0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.639
<v Speaker 2>editing issue over the past couple of season. Maybe maybe

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 2>not a little bit, maybe with Joey's, but like Joey's

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 2>season had so many characters and he was so charming

0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.760
<v Speaker 2>that they can get away with it. This is like

0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.720
<v Speaker 2>showing a whole bunch of flaws in storytelling.

0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 4>Oh heavy flawsaw. Like to me, the Alex thing is

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 4>a great example. She's you know, we all we know

0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.400
<v Speaker 4>that that contestant exists, the one who gets the first impression.

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.359
<v Speaker 4>Rose gets an early first date, she's the one to

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.160
<v Speaker 4>be and then it's like it fizzles. But at least

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.879
<v Speaker 4>talk about how it fizzled. Women tell all, don't be like,

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.960
<v Speaker 4>oh what happened? Here are the answers. And then it's

0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 4>just like, oh, the drama caught up with you.

0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 5>How does drama catch up with someone unrelated to drama?

0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:02.400
<v Speaker 5>In Roman?

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Just give one im where it's like I don't really

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.359
<v Speaker 4>know what happened, Like, yeah, Alex had just sort of

0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.359
<v Speaker 4>fell behind it. We didn't even get that she just

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 4>suddenly got sent home. It's like we're missing crucial pieces.

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.600
<v Speaker 5>Also, also Night one, I don't even remember her name.

0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 5>I think was was it Ashley? Alicia Alisha, what happened there?

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 4>The weirdest thing.

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 3>They're kissing, and then the next week she's gone, gone,

0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.959
<v Speaker 3>no explanation, zero, she doesn't even know we talked to her.

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, that's not surprising.

0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 2>It actually made less sense after talking to her, really,

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>because she said so good. Yeah, she said that the

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 2>conversation that was aired was like the lesser of them all,

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get it. I mean, I think it has been

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<v Speaker 3>I think as viewers of the show, so we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this now as fans of the show, I think

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<v Speaker 3>anytime we sit there and we feel like we can't

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<v Speaker 3>root for, dive into. I mean, there are characters that

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<v Speaker 3>I strictly, very vividly remember from ten years ago, who

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<v Speaker 3>I was in it with each episode, right, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to see what they have to say here. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to see how they confront this issue. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>be sad when they leave. And I was sad when

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 3>they left or I was happy when they would stay.

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 3>That element of the show has disappeared because I think

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.560
<v Speaker 3>there were missing. We're missing those minor moments that help

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 3>people make sense. There's a moment during Gens season with

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.439
<v Speaker 3>Grant and I brought it up back then, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was my I don't know why, I could be crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was my concern for him becoming the Bachelor.

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.960
<v Speaker 3>It was a moment that was celebrated by so many

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 3>and I think it because it was a unique moment

0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.959
<v Speaker 3>during that season. He asked Jenna question. He says, I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to know your biggest fears? What are your

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<v Speaker 3>biggest fears? And people are like that he's so sweet

0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 3>and sensitive. I'm like, I'm sure he is. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>taking that away from him, But that's such a simple question, Like,

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 3>that's a question you asked when you were lacking confidence

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 3>to know what to ask. In the moment, you can

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.639
<v Speaker 3>ask that a thousand different ways. Yeah, and you can

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 3>have the patience to explore the fears and dig into him.

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<v Speaker 3>You just don't come out on a date and say,

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<v Speaker 3>what are your biggest fears? That's a very generic question

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 3>to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yes, it's an interview question.

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:10.119
<v Speaker 3>It's an interview question. Yeah, you're exactly right, and so

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 3>it's very so at that moment, I said, I'm worried

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<v Speaker 3>about this guy when it comes to his desire to

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 3>explore these things in a way that is real and

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 3>not a producer. When he said it sounds like he

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.360
<v Speaker 3>was sitting with the producer and he's like, I don't

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 3>know what to ask her, and they're like, ask her

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 3>her biggest fears. He's like, okay, got it, Yes, when

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 3>to sit down, ask her biggest fears.

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<v Speaker 5>We felt the whole season that he was reading Q

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<v Speaker 5>cards and I'm not saying literally, but I wouldn't be

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 5>shocked actually if there were your guards, Like it was

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 5>that bad. And I felt like the only times we

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:44.920
<v Speaker 5>really kind of saw Grant was when he was talking

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 5>about his upbringing with Zoe and.

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<v Speaker 4>You're talking about the current season, right, you're not talking

0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 4>about genes and you're.

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 5>Talking about you know, I'm talking. Sorry, I switched gears.

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<v Speaker 5>Best's changed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're right, No, I think the Zoe and Latias

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<v Speaker 2>one at the dinner table, that long dinner table, is

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the one conversation that really stands out to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, same. We got so excited because I was like,

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, here's Grant.

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually literally said there's our bachelor. Like now now

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 4>that that has been uncovered, like he'll keep growing into it,

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 4>and then it just didn't really happen. I think he's

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 4>just not comfortable.

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's fair. I mean it is very fair.

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 4>You could argue that makes them more endearing.

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 3>That's if we just allowed that to be shown, like

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.400
<v Speaker 3>the awkward silences, like, let's just show it. Let's show

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 3>who Grant is. Like if you just sat there and

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 3>they look stared at each other for a bit, I

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 3>would be awesome, awesome for us to understand him, like

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 3>he's he's smart, he's a little maybe nerdy, he's he's

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 3>awkward in like in romance, all these things. It's like, Okay,

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I can root for that guy if because I know

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 3>that guy. There is a thing that happens on the

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.880
<v Speaker 3>show when you are a lead, and it was all

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 3>and it was a very clear directive by me at

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the season. I said, I never want

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 3>you to step in, like ever step in. I'm sure,

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Charlene n Ashley, you can remember some of these moments

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 3>when conversations maybe like fade or they have a law

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 3>and a date, specifically one on ones. A producer will

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 3>come up if you remember this and say like, hey,

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 3>what about uh, Charley, what about your this thing that

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 3>you're thinking about right now? And you'd be like, oh,

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 3>and you would like start talking about it, it would

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 3>fill the conversation, so a producer would kind of have

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 3>to intervene to keep things flowing and to get the

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 3>words that they like, the stories that they wanted out

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 3>of it. But it was I told them at the beginning,

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 3>I never want you to step in that that feels

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 3>like this will make me check out very quickly on

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 3>all these relationships. If at any moment of producers like,

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 3>hey man, you should ask her this question, like so weird.

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 3>I think this season they're having to do a lot

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 3>of you guys should talk about this.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's smart of you, because I think, like in

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 5>the past, like Juan Pablow, it's to take him as

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 5>an example you love him or hada, And that was

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 5>a good season, wonderful. Probably didn't take direction from anybody,

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 5>like he was doing his own thing. He was even

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 5>going against direction just for the sake of it.

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of difficult. But that's interesting, So interesting

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 4>to hear you say then, because I don't remember that happening.

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 4>What I hung out with one Pablo on the show,

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if it's just because we had

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 4>enough to talk about or like he wasn't receptive to that,

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 4>but I don't. I do remember it happening more so

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 4>like you know, girl chats, yeah, you know, Oh, what

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 4>are you going to talk to one about tonight? Like

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 4>before a group date or whatever, but not during like

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:39.120
<v Speaker 4>a one on one.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to say something totally insane. I'm going to

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 5>say that I think people have become more boring since

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 5>the adoption of social media. Not the original now this

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 5>hyper adoption of social media, and I literally think production

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 5>is having to hold their hands was no one is

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 5>having good interesting conversation, So they're saying, instead of letting

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 5>this organically evolve, we're going to jump in and we're

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 5>going to basically make this a scripted show with blocking.

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 5>And I know that that may sound crazy, it sounds

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 5>like I'm playing in a Devil's Advocate, but I actually

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 5>believe that, and I have noticed it. If you watch

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 5>from like Jesse's season all the way through, you keep watching,

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 5>you will see the conversation quality go downhill on a

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 5>straight line and take a deep dive right around the

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 5>year like two thousand twenty, yeah, twenty twenty pandemic where

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 5>social media went nuts. It just goes right down and

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 5>I think if I'm a producer and I've got thirty

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 5>people staying around having nothing conversations, not saying anything interesting,

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna jump in and I'm not aligning the whole generation.

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 5>I know there's a lot of good people out there.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 5>I often shit on this generation and I get gen X,

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, gen Z's or whatever. Millennial is like, you

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 5>don't know what you're talking about. We're a bunch of

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 5>smart people, we have good conversations.

0:27:58.680 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Its not reality to.

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 4>Be remember the dial up saying absolutely, I'm not m millennials.

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I think what you're seeing is we're getting cuspy. Our

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:14.719
<v Speaker 2>cast is getting cuspy between millennial and gen Why gen Z?

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Sorry gen Z Wow? Cuspy is like they're not really

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 2>millennials anymore. We're getting to see more gen Z on

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the show because I think they're like twenty seven now

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and below. So a lot of the cast, yeah is

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>gen Z.

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 5>All you've got to do is count the number of

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:37.120
<v Speaker 5>likes and amazings from season one to season twenty eight

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 5>and you will be amazed.

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 4>I think the closest Litia is thirty one.

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Latia is thirty one. Latia is a true millennial. She

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>she's not cuspy, she's a millennial.

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 4>And I gotta say, can we talk about how much

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 4>better those conversations I read?

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Sorry, Now we're like really abandoning our young fan base.

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 5>I know I want you, but one of you has

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 5>to agree with me right now, agree with me. I

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 5>don't want to be left alone on this.

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>No, we understand my comment.

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 3>My response to that was I would say, people to

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 3>me are more interesting on social media than they are

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 3>in person, pretty consistently, like right now. I just think

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 3>they're more comfortable with it. They express themselves more. You

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 3>see tears on social media. Now, you see arguments, you

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 3>see political stances, you see faith based claims on social

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 3>media that people aren't doing in person. And I miss

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 3>that world where that was happening more one on one

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 3>where we could like dig into it. And I'm going

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 3>to have to follow you on social media to find out.

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 5>Yes, exactly than me.

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, people are also afraid to talk these days because

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>they're afraid if they say something wrong that they're going

0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to be totally screwed for life.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 5>And that's the other thing. It's not just there, it's

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 5>not it's just a dumbing down of conversation. It's the

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 5>it's the it's it's the fear in conversation. Yeah, you

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 5>can only stay in a certain lanes without getting a big,

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 5>big trouble.

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 4>Now, if you're not flexing that muscle all the time,

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 4>and that's the only way you're really being social, then

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 4>you are going to only be more afraid.

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 3>And Okay, just to.

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Cap this because I think you know so no one

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 4>thinks we're shitting on it. I think this would have

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 4>happened to any of us that's been raised.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 5>Anybody.

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 3>This isn't this, this is I'm more curious about it

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 3>than I am dogging on it. I just A'm seeing

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.959
<v Speaker 3>it and I'm feeling it. And and I think The

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Bachelor is such a great study to see how people

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 3>are interacting in today, Which leads me to the questions

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 3>that I want to ask you.

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 5>I have.

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Two questions that we haven't asked anybody yet, and I'm

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>going to start with the one that's more relevant to

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 3>what you guys do at your podcast. But as you

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 3>witness this change, and as you kind of are highlighting

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 3>some of the hurdles and you know, relationships today, what

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>advice are you giving people to relate with them when

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.479
<v Speaker 3>it comes to how to make these things work it,

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 3>I guess maybe to make it more fun. If you

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 3>were producers on this show right now and Grant Ellis

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 3>was your bachelor and you had the crap of women

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 3>that you have, what are you saying to them to

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 3>help further these relationships into a place where maybe it

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 3>could work long term?

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Man, and this is why we're not producers on

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 5>the bass, then I would say nothing. I would say

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 5>we put all the onus on casting, and casting should

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 5>get paid the most money of anybody on this show,

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 5>and if they put together the right cast, you just

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 5>stand back and let it evolve, and that's it. I

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 5>don't think production has a role. I think if someone's

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 5>a little nerve about doing something like, oh, I don't

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 5>know if I should do that, I don't know if

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 5>I shud do that, it's fine to push them over,

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 5>you know that line. But I don't think production should

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 5>be getting involved at all. Conversation back in the day,

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 5>like way way way back, like the real world stuff,

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 5>it was literally just like throw a bunch of people

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 5>in a house and step back and see what happens,

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 5>you know, And I think that's what the batchel should

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 5>be and I have to put the blame. I know

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 5>everyone likes the blame producers. Are they blame the lead

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 5>he's boring or whatever. I think the blame should be

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 5>somewhat put on casting. I don't think they're necessarily necessarily

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 5>picking the right people.

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I have to agree with you. I think

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 4>that the more involved producers get to try and create

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 4>certain conversations, the worse it is, because, like as you said,

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 4>even if it's awkward, like some of the best reality

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 4>TV is the most awkward stuff. Right, you're fringing like

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 4>you can't believe, you just don't want to be there,

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 4>but you can't turn away, Like why are we even

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<v Speaker 4>being robbed of that? Although to hear them talk, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to have kids and get married and have

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<v Speaker 4>a wife.

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<v Speaker 5>Berg's uncertainty principle, like the observed experiment is no longer

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<v Speaker 5>an actual experiment. You don't get the result that should

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<v Speaker 5>have happened had you not observed it. Yes, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think that they should just step back and cast. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to say better. It was not a maligning

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<v Speaker 5>we have to some you know, some people on our show.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they're lovely people. I just don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>they were right for the show, they have to be

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<v Speaker 5>careful about them.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the combination of the boat though, Like if you

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<v Speaker 4>keep having a producer coming in being like, well, so

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<v Speaker 4>have you talked about this, like suggesting things to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about off, Yeah, and it's going to end up being

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<v Speaker 4>the exact same conversations over and over again, because I

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<v Speaker 4>highly doubt that their suggestions are bespoke to each contestant.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just the same suggestions over and over again. That's

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<v Speaker 4>why you hear the same conversations over and over again.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, then it feels scripted, and it feels formulaic, and

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<v Speaker 5>it feels like the audience's intelligence is being insulted, which

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<v Speaker 5>this season I felt heavily insulted. My intelligence was battered

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<v Speaker 5>to a pulp.

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<v Speaker 4>And an analogy we had for this season was that

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<v Speaker 4>it's like an old dated like the first restaurant in

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<v Speaker 4>a town and they haven't evolved. They have the same

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<v Speaker 4>menu and in the beginning, like you went there and

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<v Speaker 4>it was good because it was the only restaurant, but

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<v Speaker 4>then as the years pass, you go out of nostalgia, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you have other options, but you're like, oh, but this

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<v Speaker 4>is comforting. They have this dish, I like, but then

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<v Speaker 4>now it's sort of like even the ingredients are going

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<v Speaker 4>downhill and you start to go and you're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 4>why am I still coming? Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the most amazing analogy you've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 5>And even more importantly, why are there so many people

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<v Speaker 5>still in this restaurant? Well, if there's this many people

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<v Speaker 5>in the restaurant, maybe it's good I'll keep eating here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, goodness, that is brilliant. It's almost like, what you know,

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 3>there's obviously a big change in production teams coming in

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<v Speaker 3>that's been known.

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<v Speaker 4>Are we allowed to talk about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, I mean I don't know how much of

0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:59.959
<v Speaker 3>a conversation needs to be happening, because my second question

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<v Speaker 3>to you was what do you hope the show turns into?

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you had this new start and you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of said it, it's almost just like, hey, producers, show,

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 3>let's trust that humans are humans and they're beautiful and

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 3>complex and weird, and they're going to try to figure

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<v Speaker 3>this out and we can trust them to make good TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's just like we're just wanting to watch real

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<v Speaker 3>stories play out. So it's almost like take a step

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<v Speaker 3>back stop producing the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Think about if you had a season where the last

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<v Speaker 5>three episodes were one person or two people. Think about that,

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 5>and and the audience will be like, Wow, we're being

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 5>treated like we have intelligence. This is an actual show.

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 5>This is what actually happened. We're not just having a

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<v Speaker 5>Zoe for some reason going to the fantasy suites.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we like, by the way, we like Zoey No.

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<v Speaker 5>No love zos lovely.

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 4>I just told you for Zoey is that she's a

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 4>good actor and a bad movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, well she just didn't belong there. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have any Yeah, it was like it was it was

0:35:58.080 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>like very smarterer.

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:00.240
<v Speaker 5>She was a close smart.

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, Ashley, you were on a been on a reality

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 3>television show recently. I mean the big shows out there, Traders,

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 3>Big Brother, like some of those Survivor shows, like the

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:13.440
<v Speaker 3>ones that have really like stayed relevant. I mean Traders

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have a creditor. Is pretty new though, it's very

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 3>successful right now. Yeah, they don't have a producer in

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<v Speaker 3>the room with these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I told you I didn't love that. So

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe we even mentioned my appearance on Stars

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>on Mars Ago, but it was it was. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know the ensemble show on Fox. They had a great

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 2>cast is I don't know what happens, but anyway, they

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any producer involvement, which from The Bachelor made

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 2>me feel like I didn't have a home, Like they

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a home base to like go to somebody

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>who was like not I needed like the comfort of

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>going to somebody who wasn't part of the cast. Just

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 2>well I needed a law like I had never done,

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<v Speaker 2>like a show without a lawn.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I have.

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I did Winter Games and Alan wasn't there, but I

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>had plenty of others there it take his place. But

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>there was like no source of comfort to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm trying to do interviews without there's even being

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<v Speaker 2>a producer in the room like they would have the

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 2>producer would be like on a speaker asking you questions,

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and it just felt very impersonal to me. So maybe

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 2>because I was trained by The Bachelor that didn't work,

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 2>But like did that work for other Like we have

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>to ask Gabby who went so far in Traders? How

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>was that? How I was doing interviews without a real.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter to me how they feel. I liked

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 3>watching it. Yeah, like I don't care if you're uncomfortable.

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:50.959
<v Speaker 3>I think it makes great TV.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this one right here?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? I think you should. You should apply. Yeah, it

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 5>seems right now for the Bachelor, he should apply to be.

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<v Speaker 2>A producer on the producer. What if we did a

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 2>cast led production team? Holy, that would be good?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god? Actually think that would This is the

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 5>answer to your question. The answer your question, Ben is

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 5>you should be the producer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cast Led production team, best season ever? Absolute madness. Hey,

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 3>I know we have a heart out here. So I

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 3>want to give you guys the last thirty seconds. Where

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 3>can people listen to you? Why would they listen to you?

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 3>And what do you you know? How can people follow along?

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Thank you? So we are Dear Shandy, which stands

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<v Speaker 4>for Charlene and Andy.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh I always wondered.

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 4>We are a relationship podcast. You can write in and

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 4>ask your relationship questions and we give our advice with

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, a dose of humor and analogies. But we

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 4>are really known for our recaps. We recap the Ultimatum,

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 4>Love is Blind, Bachelor, all of them, and we analyze

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 4>it much as we did with you today. Very analytical

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 4>and interpersonal and a lot of analogy. It's a lot

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 4>of fun.

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<v Speaker 5>There's laughter, it's fun for the whole family.

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<v Speaker 2>This was fun for Ben and I. We woke up

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<v Speaker 2>with you guys sleepy fantasy suites.

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.439
<v Speaker 4>Oh man right, Oh no, we always have so much fun.

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 4>You guys are just like you're a great team. I

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<v Speaker 4>gotta tell you really are years ten years.

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Ben exaggerates a little bit, like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been ten years.

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 3>But it's good. Been close.

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 4>No, he exaggerates too.

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 5>I like, no, I exaggerate ten percent. It's always ten percent.

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.399
<v Speaker 3>So we're it nine years and I say ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's ten percent. Yeah, we're fine. Wait, it's good.

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 4>I know we have to if we have an out.

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 4>But actually, does Jared exaggerate? Is this a man thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. I was going to say, it's just

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 2>like Jared exaggerates on time so much. He'll be like

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 2>or he under he like is very bad with pinpointing time.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd be like, yeah, he thinks everything was longer. Yeah,

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>he thinks everything was longer. He was like, I'll say

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that was two months ago. He's like, no, no, no, it

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>was like eight months ago. Like Jared, I go back

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.879
<v Speaker 2>up my calendar, look right here, it was two months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You nut?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so I didn't like to exaggerate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, we've never claimed to be the smartest, but

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 3>we can talk. Hey, go listen to Dear Shandy. It's

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 3>an amazingly good podcast with a great following, very passionate

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 3>fan base, very fun fan base. After my time on

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 3>that show, very supportive fan base. I would say as well,

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.720
<v Speaker 3>the great, great show going on. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Until next time. I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. See

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<v Speaker 3>you guys been Dear Sandy's.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks guys.

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