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Speaker 1: Hello when welcome to a very special emergency news breaking

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Speaker 1: that the edition of the Buffet with Chad, Scooch and

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Ryan Rodenberg, who is a legal expert,

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Speaker 1: a sports law professor at for the State University, who

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Speaker 1: has been covering the efforts for the state of New

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Speaker 1: Jersey to legalized sports betting through its entire case history

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Speaker 1: going back I think six years now. Um, because today

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Speaker 1: bit of upheaval today even though many people expected this

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Speaker 1: Bob Scucci. That's what's going on. Man. This is an

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Speaker 1: many years ago, New Jersey lawsuit claiming that past but

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Speaker 1: What is your thought on this right now? Well, the

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Speaker 1: And so while you were talking, Ryan Rodenberg are sports

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Speaker 1: very inclusive after the decision was rendered this morning, Scoot,

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Speaker 1: You've done a phenomenal job with this. Thank you so much.

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