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Speaker 1: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday, April third, twenty twenty three, three months into

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Speaker 2: the Wisoul trial. Jud Gerald Glanville is on the stand

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Speaker 2: in Courtroom one sea. His brow is furrowed, his steely

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Speaker 2: eyes peer out over a black COVID mask embroidered with

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Speaker 2: a white Fulton County seal on one side. The subject

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Speaker 2: of his intense gaze is a young black woman in

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Speaker 2: a business suit standing at the clerk's desk.

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Speaker 3: All right, Juror Tano four, Good morning, madam, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Just a few weeks earlier, Juror Teno Ford reported for

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Speaker 1: Jerry Duty.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm going to explain what everything that happened

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Speaker 4: that day on the seventeenth or March.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But before then, you recall this court giving you

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Speaker 3: the ad naugeum admonitions about acceptable behavior.

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Speaker 5: About having phones out. Yes, at the moment.

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Speaker 3: When we came, didn't I tell you to turn your

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Speaker 3: phone off?

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Speaker 4: It was I'm gonna be truthfully and very honest, when it.

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Speaker 5: Was a lot going on. We had just come from.

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Speaker 3: Different Answer my question first and then you can explain it.

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Speaker 3: Do you recall us telling you to turn off your

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Speaker 3: cell phones.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, in.

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Speaker 1: Violation, Juror Teno Fur took out her phone to record

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Speaker 1: a portion of the trial of one of the most

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Speaker 1: famous rappers on the planet from the jury pool. Little

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Speaker 1: did she know just a few weeks later she would

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Speaker 1: be standing in front of that famous rapper and twelve

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Speaker 1: of his co defendants, trying to explain her way out

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Speaker 1: of trouble.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so when you was giving the speech, everybody was talking.

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Speaker 5: I did take a.

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Speaker 4: Video, and then the young lady next to me, she

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Speaker 4: was like, man, we're not supposed to be recording. Soon

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Speaker 4: as they said that, I deleted everything right then and there,

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Speaker 4: maybe an hour went by.

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Speaker 5: That's when the officer came up to.

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Speaker 4: Me and said somebody had told us that you may

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Speaker 4: be recording.

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Speaker 5: So I showed them the phone.

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Speaker 4: They went through my recent deleted photos and seeing the

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Speaker 4: video that I made. And this is my first time.

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Speaker 4: That was my first home ever being in court in

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Speaker 4: my whole entire life. So I wasn't really sure of

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Speaker 4: anything we couldn't and could not do.

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Speaker 5: So I do apologize for day.

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Speaker 2: She may never have been in court before that day

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Speaker 2: in March, but on this day in April, she's getting

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Speaker 2: a crash course in criminal justice.

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Speaker 3: You know, there are varying reasons that we tell that

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Speaker 3: we punish people in society. Okay, I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: tell you the reasons are. One just general is retribution,

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Speaker 3: I for n The second reason that we punish people

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Speaker 3: is for general deterrence. We don't want other people doing

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Speaker 3: this kind of same thing. Third reason is specific the deterrence,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't want you doing this again. And

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Speaker 3: then it's rehabilitation and re entry. So, ma'am, in this

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Speaker 3: particular situation, you videotaped our proceedings was just a brazen

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Speaker 3: violation of these particular proceedings. You society, you can just

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Speaker 3: do what you wanted to do.

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Speaker 5: It's not want your phone on what I wanted to do. Well,

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Speaker 5: you pulled out your.

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Speaker 3: Phone in videotape our proceedings, and that was in direct

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Speaker 3: violation of this court, sour. So I'm going to send

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Speaker 3: you to three days of in jail, and that will

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Speaker 3: I want to satisfy you contempt.

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Speaker 2: I'm Christina League and I'm George Cheaty. This is King Slime.

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Speaker 1: The prosecution of Young Thug and YSL.

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Speaker 6: Today there was some drama in the corporal good using it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for joining us tonight. I'm Rosstrousser.

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Speaker 7: I'm Courtney Briant, a potential juror in the YSL trial,

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Speaker 7: was arrested accused of recording video during courtroom proceedings.

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Speaker 1: You're ten oh four is reportedly released after five hours

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Speaker 1: in jail, but Judge Glanville's punishment sends a message inside

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Speaker 1: the courtroom and beyond.

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Speaker 6: That's right Russ according that potential jurors out of jail

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Speaker 6: after several hours. The judge initially sentenced her to three days.

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Speaker 6: We speak with a legal expert. She says, this judge

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Speaker 6: is not playing around.

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Speaker 1: Glanville is the chief judge of the Fulton County Superior

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Speaker 1: Court and a retired army general who handled war crimes

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. He has little tolerance for his conduct. And

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Speaker 1: you don't have to take Juror tenofour's word for it.

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Speaker 1: Ask Juror sixty four from way back in January. She

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Speaker 1: took one look at the jury form and skipped out

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Speaker 1: at lunch, preferring to go on vacation in the Dominican Republic.

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Speaker 3: Ordinarily, Madam, I do find you in contempt. But here's

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Speaker 3: what I'm going to do. Contempt is punishable easily by

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Speaker 3: a fine of one thousand dollars and or twenty days

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Speaker 3: order for you to satisfy your contempt, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: commute the twenty days and require you to write a

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Speaker 3: thirty page paper on the importance of jury service. Here's

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Speaker 3: the criteria. You'll have to do APA style. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to use at least ten primary sources ten secondary sources.

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Speaker 1: In July, Judge Glanville faced another no show juror.

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Speaker 5: This is very, very serious.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the most important cilic obligations that.

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Speaker 5: We can have. I literally forgot. It was not a

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Speaker 5: malicious ax. It was not that I just decided not

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Speaker 5: become a.

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Speaker 1: Shortdayday and gave her a choice five days of trial

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Speaker 1: observation for twenty days in jail.

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Speaker 5: What do you want to do? How do the five days?

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Speaker 2: But it isn't only jurors who have faced Glanville's wrath.

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Speaker 2: He's threatened the gallery of observers too.

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Speaker 3: And if anybody's in the gallery and you can't otherwise

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Speaker 3: control yourself or otherwise make it if you want to

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Speaker 3: make any appropriate comments, and you can leave at this

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Speaker 3: point in time. But if you remain in this courtroom

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Speaker 3: and make it and make any outbursts, I have.

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Speaker 2: You arrested and has held three defense attorneys in contempt.

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Speaker 3: You were held in contempt, young man.

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Speaker 2: Why is self defendant? Miles Farley's lawyer Anastasio's Minettas offered

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Speaker 2: to pay a two hundred and fifty dollars fee instead

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Speaker 3: But I satisfied your contempt by you paying two hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty dollars, which you did, and I have that receipt.

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Speaker 1: Here, And just like that, Duro ditched court for the

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Speaker 1: Beach Christian Epiccher's defense attorney, Eric Johnson was ordered to

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Speaker 1: write an essay for being tardy.

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Speaker 3: And seventeen page paper on the importance of professionals in

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Speaker 3: the legal field and treating ones opponents with civility. Paper

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Speaker 3: is to be published quality in APA format at least

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Speaker 3: ten primary and ten secondary sources. Say again, you say again,

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Speaker 3: mister Jimines.

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Speaker 5: Was a good publish You know I have never been voting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, okay, but that's another issue that we're

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Speaker 3: not going to do today.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, that voice that popped up with an unwelcome

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Speaker 1: reality check belongs to defense attorney Surrichata Humenez. He represents

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Speaker 1: wise held defendant Cordarius Dorsey. He also faces the judges

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Speaker 1: ire for lateness, but instead of a fine or an essay,

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Speaker 1: he's told to grab some sandwiches.

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Speaker 3: Purchase lines for each of your attorney colleagues in this case.

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Speaker 2: On May twelfth, twenty twenty three, Jimenez ventures half mile

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Speaker 2: away from the Fulton County Courthouse to Magic City, the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta strip club famous for catering to rappers, basketball stars,

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Speaker 2: lemon pepper wings. Jimenez documents the ordeal by posting photos

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Speaker 2: to Instagram, first a selfie in the rain from the

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Speaker 2: Magic City parking lot showing its front sign depicting the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta skyline. Then from inside the Darkly Lake Club as

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Speaker 2: an employee in a red Magic City hit, he packs

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Speaker 2: aluminum trays into blue branded tote bags. Finally, another selfie

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Speaker 2: at the courthouse where the conference table becomes a banquet

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Speaker 2: table for Jimenez. The other attorneys and their huge takeout order.

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Speaker 1: Early on in the trial, before his visit to Magic City,

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Speaker 1: Jimanus agrees to sit down with us at our table,

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Speaker 1: No wings required.

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Speaker 8: Well, i am Soudy Chada Humenis. I'm an attorney. I

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Speaker 8: do criminal defense. I've been doing criminal defense for I

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Speaker 8: think about six and a half years now.

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Speaker 1: Prior to his defense work, Jimenez was a prosecutor at

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Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office from twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: under Finnie Willis's predecessor, Paul Howard.

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Speaker 8: I like Fannie Willis a lot. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 8: a big donor, but you can pull my records. I've

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Speaker 8: anytime I had a chance, I've donated to her. I'm

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Speaker 8: believe in what she stands for. Fulton County is a

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Speaker 8: very difficult place to work at because you're something you're fighting.

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Speaker 8: You're definitely fighting the defense attorneys, you're fighting the judges

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Speaker 8: as an ada, and you're fighting your office. And so

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Speaker 8: you learn how to survive in Fulton County.

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Speaker 1: But now, as part of the wisl case, perhaps even

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Speaker 1: SC's why defense attorneys in Fulton County have historically put

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Speaker 1: up a fight even as the YSL trial is just beginning.

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Speaker 1: He seems exhausted. You're not being paid by one of

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Speaker 1: the labels, right.

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Speaker 8: How WI show is getting paid by one of the labels,

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Speaker 8: and they can steal send some donations that can start

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Speaker 8: a goalfund me. But no, I took this case as

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Speaker 8: an appointed case.

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Speaker 1: The Judges office estimated that the WISL trial would take

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Speaker 1: six to nine months. At the WISL trial isn't even

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Speaker 1: the only reco case on his plate right now.

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Speaker 8: At this moment, I have three reco cases that I'm

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Speaker 8: representing clients on. I am not Bruce Harvey or Brian

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Speaker 8: Steele or any of these top attorneys that just get

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Speaker 8: all the mob bosses or whatever you know.

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Speaker 2: Both of these attorneys are also linked to the trial

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Speaker 2: by the way, Bruce Harvey represents Qumarvius Nichols, Ryan Steel

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Speaker 2: none other than young thug. The defense attorneys themselves have

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Speaker 2: become a cast of characters, for good or ill. They're

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Speaker 2: a mix of some of the most seasoned professionals in Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: like Harvey and Steel, and some of the city's newest

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Speaker 4: I will start by saying that this assertion that I

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Speaker 4: did not mention the fourth three argument.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about that, okay, because it wouldn't be I'd

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Speaker 3: about that, Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 5: I was just saying that it's just not true. It's

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Speaker 2: But that's Justin Hill, the twenty six year old attorney

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Speaker 2: for Damon Blaylock. Hill's comment using the word cap, a

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Speaker 2: slang word for lying, went viral in April. But regardless

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Speaker 2: of age, there's this overarching concern over how exactly justice

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Speaker 2: will be served in the YSL trial. While the State

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Speaker 2: of Georgia has leveraged millions of dollars to prosecute a

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Speaker 2: growing number of cases, the Georgia Defense Council, or GDC,

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Speaker 2: initially agreed to pay attorneys fifteen thousand dollars. Low Rod's lawyer,

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Speaker 2: Angela to Williams, realized this pay wouldn't be enough to

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Speaker 2: keep her solvent through a year long case. She filed

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Speaker 2: a request for the State of Georgia to raise her pay,

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Speaker 2: and when that request was denied, here's what she told

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Speaker 2: the press.

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Speaker 9: I'm thinking maybe I need to start an only fan.

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Speaker 10: I'm very serious is I might have to do a

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Speaker 10: only fans because at least I can still support my

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Speaker 10: client and support me and my family.

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Speaker 2: Look in this context, starting on OnlyFans actually makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Due to the complexities of this case, taking on more

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Speaker 2: clients just isn't an option.

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Speaker 8: I am going to be in this case full time

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Speaker 8: for the next six to nine months. I cannot take

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Speaker 2: And the economics of this case don't just hit the defense,

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Speaker 8: The way the indictment reads makes it sound like we

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Speaker 1: At the root of this hardship, according to defense attorneys,

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Speaker 7: If you the girl Scouts outside of Walmart and I

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Speaker 1: And so, even when taking into account all of the

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Speaker 8: When somebody admits that something is a gang, who cares

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Speaker 8: And if they committed a crime, just prove the crime.

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Speaker 8: Somebody didn't arm robbery, prove the arm robbery. You know

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Speaker 8: Who cares? If it's a gang, Just prove your murder.

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Speaker 8: But you add gang charges to scare people. You add

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Speaker 2: You can also add gang charges to prosecute people who

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Speaker 1: No, that didn't matter to Fulton County courts in June

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Speaker 8: Part of the reason why I want it to be

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Speaker 8: And what was their crime? This time taking accountability, taking responsibility,

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Speaker 8: What did he do other than go to prison, repay

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's that terrible here.

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Speaker 8: Maybe just step away from the.

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Speaker 8: We have a truck right here.

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Speaker 5: It's big enough.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to go on the truck outside an

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Speaker 2: Sean Hoover graciously agrees to host our next conversation about

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Speaker 2: this trial.

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Speaker 11: To play your.

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Speaker 6: One way to look at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, inside that black ran big Horn pickup truck, we

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Speaker 11: Probably?

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Speaker 5: But if we get to.

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Speaker 2: Havel Okay, I know with Atlanta, we know this is

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Speaker 13: My name is Sean Hoover. I'm with the Georgia Public

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Speaker 1: Hoover has been part of George's Public Defender Council since

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. We're meeting him because he was representing one

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Speaker 13: Yes, that's correct that defendant mister some Antonio Sumlan took

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Speaker 1: Deal in December twenty twenty two, one month before the

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Speaker 1: One of those crimes was the attempted murder of Yfn Lucci.

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Speaker 1: Smland was also charged with participating in criminal street gang activity.

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Speaker 1: The indictment site's three social media posts. One Instagram photo

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Speaker 13: And the majority of the cases, they're just using YouTube

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Speaker 1: As a result of that broad scope, Hoover says that

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Speaker 1: It will be up to prosecutors to prove all the

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Speaker 9: We have to come to work and do our work,

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Speaker 9: I have probably tried thirty homicides before. Judge Glanville just

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Speaker 2: As this takes.

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Speaker 9: Justice is not always fast, but we want to do

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Speaker 2: as Georgia ramps up street gang prosecutions to address concerns

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Speaker 2: about spiking violence, Hoover worries that his own clients outside

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Speaker 2: the Ysol trial won't see justice for years because of

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Speaker 2: that effort. Their cases may not be the longest in history,

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Speaker 2: but that's because the clock doesn't start ticking until they

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Speaker 2: get a trial.

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Speaker 13: Let me tell you exactly what one of my clients

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Speaker 13: goes through. So let's go with my fourteen year old.

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Speaker 13: My fourteen year old. The DAS took the case to

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Speaker 13: a grand jury especially indicted him and got Warrens. He

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Speaker 13: goes to jail. Now, because the case has been indicted,

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Speaker 13: we don't get a preliminary hearing, which means we can't

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Speaker 13: take the case in front of a magistrate judge to

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Speaker 13: see what type of evidence they actually have so we

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Speaker 13: can start to fight it then. So the first thing

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Speaker 13: we do is ask for or a bond. The das

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Speaker 13: have been taught to put a number of gang charges

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Speaker 13: on these clients because there's no judge out there that's

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Speaker 13: going to want to be put in the paper this

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Speaker 13: says judge dot dot dot gave a gang member a

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Speaker 13: bond on a case, and now these gang members are

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Speaker 13: being released. So my fourteen year old stays in prison.

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Speaker 13: Now fast forward, and this is the most disheartening part.

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Speaker 13: If he's fourteen when it's started, by the time we

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Speaker 13: actually finished this case, I guarantee he's going to be

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Speaker 13: closer to seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old. For the judicial system,

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Speaker 13: that's an adult. He's going to transfer from the YDC,

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Speaker 13: the Youth Detention Center where he is now, to the

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Speaker 13: Fulton County Detention Center to where people are literally dying

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Speaker 13: all the time. Him being fourteen to seventeen, we could

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Speaker 13: have about five different bond hearings, and the question the

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Speaker 13: judge always asks is, well, what's changed in his circumstances.

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Speaker 13: The only thing that changes he's now been in here

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Speaker 13: for another year. And the biggest thing the das always

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Speaker 13: say is that well, because this is a Rico prosecution,

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Speaker 13: the investigation is still ongoing, so we don't know when

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Speaker 13: the trial's actually gone to start. The only reason yl

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Speaker 13: didn't take that long is because Jeffrey Williams and Sergio

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Speaker 13: Kitchens were involved. I have kids that have been in

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Speaker 13: jail literally two three years now that we're still waiting

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Speaker 13: on trial days, not even hearing days at this point,

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Speaker 13: we're waiting on trial days. And that's because you throw

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Speaker 13: that gang on there, no one's going to give them

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Speaker 13: a bond, and if they do, it's going to be

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Speaker 13: a bond that's literally two hundred and fifty five hundred thousand.

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Speaker 13: We're talking about seventeen year old kids that can't afford.

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Speaker 2: That nineteen year old were Daelius Ryan's screams didn't just

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Speaker 2: echo into the courtroom, they reverberated into the homes of

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Speaker 2: people paying attention to the YSL trial tense moments inside

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Speaker 2: the courtroom.

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Speaker 10: Screaming was heard as Robert Young Thug sat in the courtroom.

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Speaker 6: The defendant, Rodealius Ryan, had been escorted out of the courtroom.

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Speaker 6: Screams from the holding area were heard.

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Speaker 8: They take mister Ryan, the young child, I mean he's

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Speaker 8: a kid. Take him to the back and we can

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Speaker 8: hear him screaming.

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Speaker 14: Officials cleared the courtroom after promotion during the YSL trial.

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Speaker 2: The clip was already making the rounds on social media

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Speaker 2: when Judge Errol Glanville called everyone back into the courtroom

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Speaker 2: to presume proceedings. A formality to send people home.

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Speaker 3: Lady and gentlemen, less we have anything else, I'll go

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Speaker 3: ahead and excuse for the evening.

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Speaker 2: But before Glanville could dismiss, Young Thug's attorney, Brian Steele

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Speaker 2: pipes up, yeah you may, and suddenly we find ourselves

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Speaker 2: part of the proceeding.

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Speaker 5: Your honor.

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Speaker 14: Everybody stands when you come in court room or leave.

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Speaker 5: We have respect for you.

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Speaker 14: Mister Williams is innocent. We came here to have a

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Speaker 14: fair trial, and that's what you do. That's why we're

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Speaker 14: going through this process. It's taking months and that's okay,

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Speaker 14: because we're talking about something that could end people's lives,

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Speaker 14: so it's worth it.

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Speaker 5: I am not saying this is accurate, but.

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Speaker 14: I was told, and there's witnesses here, that they were

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Speaker 14: alerted to come to your honorable court today because there

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Speaker 14: was going to be something newsworthy.

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Speaker 5: This imedium was.

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Speaker 14: Called allegedly by now I'm not saying any of these prosecutors,

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Speaker 14: but by somebody.

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Speaker 5: With their office.

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Speaker 14: And if that really happened, that's outrageous. This was an embarrassment.

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Speaker 14: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 3: And I said, do you, as with anybody, if you

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Speaker 3: feel that you need to put an emotion for me

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Speaker 3: to hear and consider, I would invite you to do

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Speaker 3: so so and I can go ahead and take that up,

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Speaker 3: Miss Lowe.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutor Adrian Love then asked to address the court.

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Speaker 10: Just like to say, for the record and for clarity's sake,

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Speaker 10: that there is no way anyone from our office could

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Speaker 10: have predicted the events that occurred today to suggests that

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Speaker 10: it was orchestrated by our office. Would I imply that

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Speaker 10: we knew that there would be wrongdoing going on and

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Speaker 10: wanted to capture it on camera somehow, So I categorically

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Speaker 10: object to the idea that the state has somehow done

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Speaker 10: some unethical thing and orchestrated an event that only the

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Speaker 10: defendants knew, and thankfully the Sheriff's department learned what was

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Speaker 10: happening today.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've already put it together. But that member

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Speaker 1: of the media Brian Steele and Adrian Lover talking about

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Speaker 1: is me. As a crime reporter, I've developed relationships with

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Speaker 1: all sorts of people in law enforcement. Someone from the

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Speaker 1: DA's office did call me to tell me to come

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Speaker 1: to court that day. That person didn't tell me why.

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Speaker 1: Max Shard alluded to it at the top of the

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Speaker 1: lab episode. A Fulton County Sheriff's deputy named Morris Kantacai

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Speaker 1: had been accused of assaulting Ryan earlier in the trial

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Speaker 1: when his body camera wasn't turned on, and he was

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Speaker 1: called to testify that day because as a coincidence, he

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Speaker 1: had been one of the arresting officers and a bust

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Speaker 1: involving Via Celle defendants years earlier when he was an

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Speaker 1: APD patrol officer. That testimony was supposed to start right

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Speaker 1: before Rhdalius. Ryan's screams echoed through the courtroom in response

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Speaker 1: to all this hullabaloo and talk of a potential staged event,

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Speaker 1: the Fulton County Sheriff's Office released bodycamp footage of the

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Speaker 1: Ryan incident just a few days later.

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Speaker 2: In the footage, you can see a half dozen Sheriff's

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Speaker 2: deputies escorting Ryan back into the holding cell area. They

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Speaker 2: tell him they could smell weed on.

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Speaker 3: Him back in the corner of before.

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Speaker 12: Multiple people see smell Ronirwan, you're going to be stresser.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any on your person?

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Speaker 3: You just want to go in the hand over now?

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Speaker 5: I can still smell it right here. Answer, that's fine.

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Speaker 12: I understand that I'm having a conversation with you before

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Speaker 12: we go for it, So I need to go ahead

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Speaker 12: and take your clothes off like.

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Speaker 2: Ryan protests, but then removes the suit coat and hands

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Speaker 2: it to one of the deputies. Over the course of

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Speaker 2: three minutes, he slowly disrobes until he's standing in front

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Speaker 2: of the deputies and what appears to be two pairs

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Speaker 2: of boxer shorts. Police tell him he needs to drop

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Speaker 2: his underwear. He starts to protest again.

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Speaker 14: I understand, Nick, are you having to take your clothes off?

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Speaker 5: I know you don't want to do this. I don't

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Speaker 5: want to have to see the navy right now, Honestly,

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't get off like this.

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Speaker 13: I'll feel good about this, but it's what has to happen,

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Speaker 13: hiss like.

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Speaker 14: I don't can and just just.

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Speaker 2: A second, that didn't happen. Instead, As Ryan requests his attorney,

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Speaker 2: two deputies grab his wrists, two more closing on him

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Speaker 2: as reinforcements.

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Speaker 12: Just a second, don't.

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Speaker 5: We're come?

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Speaker 2: That's the screen that echoed through the courtroom. The deputies

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Speaker 2: carry him down the hall to another room, perhaps so

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Speaker 2: he'll be less disruptive to the outside, but Ryan continues

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Speaker 2: to scream it's no body can. The deputies hold him,

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Speaker 2: force his hands behind his back, lower him to the ground,

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Speaker 2: and cuff him. The deputy wearing the body can behind

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Speaker 2: the tape, helps keep Ryan's upper body restrained. As others

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Speaker 2: complete the strip search. Deputies find two bags of weeds

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Speaker 2: sewn into a second pair of underwear.

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Speaker 1: Do I know why the DA's office told me to

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Speaker 1: show up in court that day? No, they wouldn't tell me,

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Speaker 1: But after watching the tape, I can tell you one thing.

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Speaker 1: When the stakes are this high and proceedings are drawn

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Speaker 1: out this long, when there are a dozen different defendants

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Speaker 1: in one room, all facing their fate day after day

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Speaker 1: after day, some already facing life sentences with nothing left

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Speaker 1: to lose. Emotions run high, tempers run hot, trust is eroded,

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Speaker 1: and coincidences can easily be confused with conspiracies.

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Speaker 2: Next time on King Slime, did you know the lyrical

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Speaker 2: part of this was going to be a lightning Rocker criticism?

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Speaker 9: I guess the better question is did I can what

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Speaker 9: rap lyrics say about the YSL defendants?

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Speaker 1: Fatter one?

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Speaker 11: On four sixteen of twenty one, there's a video released

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Speaker 11: called Ski Ski with lyrics stating, I fucked with slats,

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Speaker 11: we come to eat rats, I came with some puranas,

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Speaker 11: I tote an FN or reference to a handgun.

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Speaker 2: And what their use in court says about our legal system.

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Speaker 15: Look, there has been a very strategic, deliberate plan on

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Speaker 15: how young black men, young Black America is portrayed in

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Speaker 15: mass media. That narrative of criminals guilt before innocence has

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Speaker 15: been a jacket that Black America has worn for a

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Speaker 15: very long time in its country.

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Speaker 1: King Slime is the production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 2: It's written and produced by George Cheaty, Christina Lee, and

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Speaker 2: Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 2: The executive producer and editor is Tommy Andres.

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