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Lesson one Safe at Home 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: available now Nancy Grace dot com and register using promo 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: code Nancy or Crime stops here dot com promo code Nancy. 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: How did you find the child? It's an hour and 21 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: a half. I um old waiting. I called my lawyer 22 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: turn things to ask you know, what's the next thing? 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: I have to do, and they said wait until the 24 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: here to call, you know, the belief and get that going. Basically, 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: you've got to play right with the kind of went 26 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: ahead and beat anyway here? So I would, I would, 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: I would when people comfortable child an hour and a half, 28 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: yeah and coffee. Yeah, okay, you find your child dead, 29 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: but you pause before you call on one. You wait 30 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: ninety full minutes, an hour and a half before you 31 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: call nine one one. Did you hear the dispatcher asking 32 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: did you just say you called your lawyer first? Nancy Grace, 33 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: This guy Seth Welch and his wife Taussian up few sorry, 35 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: are under suspicion when they're ten month old baby girl 36 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: Mary Welch, weighing only eight pounds at ten months old, 37 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: is found dead. Hey, let's take another. Listen to that 38 00:02:48,600 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: nine one one call for the child? Oh nine uh yet? 39 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: Get that about three pm? You know he goes to 40 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: bed and you know that was that? Okay, life after 41 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: day at three cam Yeah, and then this morning at 42 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: like and something he finally went into say you're like, okay, 43 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: it's been lay too long, so um, yeah, we got 44 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: long all the time it was normally so. So you're 45 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: saying it's normal for your children to play from around 46 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: three pm m Um, yeah, usually about nine nine from 47 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: three pm two. I'm a couple of thanks here. Sure, okay, 48 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: let me just tell everybody that's not normal for a 49 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: baby at that age to sleep ten straight hours without 50 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: wanting a bottle, without wanting to be nursed, without wanting anything, 51 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: not to poop it's pants, and want a fresh dieping 52 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: nothing joining me right now. In addition to Vincent Hill, 53 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: cop turned private eye, who was kicking off a brand 54 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: new podcast on Apple it Tunes called Fall of a Titan, 55 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: Vison Hill joining me. Dr Bethany Marshall, l a SECO 56 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: analyst joining us, asked you Wilcott judge and lawyer, and 57 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: right now, John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 58 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: John Lemley, tell me exactly what happened here, because first 59 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: of all, I'm not buying anything he's saying on the 60 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: NIME on one call. Well, the voice we've been hearing 61 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Nancy is again that of Seth Welch. He and his wife, 62 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Tatiana Husarry had been raising three children and they ran 63 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: black Acre Farm Products at their home. Uh. They're just 64 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: about an hour and a half north of Grand Rapids. 65 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: They had a simple, modest home. H For some time, 66 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: Seth Seth Welch had been displaying his faith on hand 67 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: painted sn nds that were nailed to trees on the 68 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: fence out front. There's one message that still says repent, 69 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: believe obey Now there's absolutely, of course, nothing wrong with 70 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: any of that. However, we stopped right there. You know 71 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: who you sound like, Jerry Seinfeld, Dr Bethany Marshall. That's 72 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: not Oh no, the man's rowing in money. You got 73 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: a gorgeous wife half his age, a beautiful family, probably 74 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: lying in his penthouse flicking channels right now. There's nothing 75 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: wrong would be And Jerry Seinfeld, plus he's hilarious. Dr Bethany. 76 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Remember when on Seinfeld Um they would say something that 77 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: somebody had done outrageous and they go, not that there's 78 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: anything wrong with that. That's exactly what literally just did. 79 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: That's what he did. It's funny that I sound are 80 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: you Bethanie Marshall. No, you're not Bethany Marshall, you're John Lemley. Okay, 81 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. That questions for you? Yes, that was the 82 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: tone that John Lemley had. I can verify that, but 83 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: I will say there's something interesting about the sign is 84 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: because when I read all the reports on this story, 85 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: the fathers cited religiosity for not getting medical treatment for 86 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: his children. And apparently that wasn't just for the baby, 87 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: but it was for the other two children in the 88 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: home as well. So in this case, religiosity was intertwined 89 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: with suspicion of the medical system. Also, according to one report, 90 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: the parents did not like doctors because apparently one doctor 91 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: child a child abuse report against them. I bet they 92 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: didn't like doctors after that. First of all, Number one, 93 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: I have never been accused of being a Bible scholar. Okay, 94 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now I know nothing, But 95 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: I do know one thing. You know, what Christ hated 96 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: the most is a hypocrite. Oh uh in oh um. 97 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that's the only time I 98 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: know of ever that he got mad. Uh is when 99 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: that I know of is uh when he came to 100 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: the temple and people were whouring it out, selling things, 101 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, like it was you know, concert or right, 102 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: and he got mad and actually threw over at a 103 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: time when it was very politically combustible, would kick over 104 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: all those changing tables and through a big fitch say 105 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: they were hypocrites. So here with this guy claiming he's 106 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: a Christian by posting all these signs. Hey, I'm down 107 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: with the signs. Go right ahead. I'd be mad if 108 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: you didn't. But to then let your child die. And 109 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: my second clarification, correct me if I'm wrong, John Limley. 110 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: But this child did not die of lack of medical 111 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: attention of some illness such as pneumonia or scarlet fever. 112 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: This child died of starvation. That is absolutely correct. Nancy. Uh, 113 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: there was a huge trust. I also don't like the 114 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: way you just said, Nancy. Oh go ahead, Nancy, go 115 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: ahead whatever. You're all mad because I called you on 116 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: the carpet, But that's fine. I didn't expect to be 117 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: named Miss congeniality, Okay, so just go ahead right. Well, 118 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: As as we've noted, they did not like the doctors. 119 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: They had a huge distrust of child protective services. He 120 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: online would rail on about how he and his wife 121 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: distrusted all of them. One particular video, A lot of 122 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: people would refer to these videos as sermons. He says 123 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: someone had called CPS Child Protective Services about him when 124 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: he first refused to get his oldest daughter vaccinated, and 125 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: that he didn't get his other two, including his youngest 126 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: ten month old Mary, vaccinated. I really want to quote 127 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: one of his Facebook posts. It's really telling, uh, and 128 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: I quote it didn't seem smart that you would be 129 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: saving people who weren't the fittest. And it continues, if 130 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: evolution believes in survival of the fittest, why are we 131 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: vaccinating everybody? Shouldn't we just let the week die off 132 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: and let the strong survive? Okay, you just rund chills 133 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: down my arms, John Linley um to even say that, 134 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: and think of how this little baby laid there and 135 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: starved in her crib and no at all. Jackie Howard 136 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: here in the studio has corrected my timeline as well, 137 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: pointing out the baby did not sleep ten hours, but 138 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: by this guy's own word, she said, I saw you 139 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: counting on your fingers. By the way, it's not like 140 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: you did this in your head. Nineteen hours this baby 141 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: slept and the dad said that's normal. But speaking of 142 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: the whole anti Vaxter thing, listen to our friend at 143 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: would TV eight Grand raps Kin Colker and this nut job. 144 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: He says CPS got called on him when he had 145 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: first refused to get his oldest daughter vaccinated, and that 146 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: he did not get the shots for his other two kids, 147 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: including Mary. It didn't seem smart to me that you 148 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: would be saving people who weren't the fittest. The evolution 149 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: believes in the survival of the fittest, Well, then why 150 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: are we vaccinating everybody? Shouldn't we just let the week 151 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: die off and let the strong survive. He also spoke 152 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: against worldly things, and I would love to see a 153 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: commune of Christian disciples living off the grids somewhere and 154 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: as and just living free in The couple called one 155 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: on Thursday after finding their baby unresponsive at their home 156 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: on al Goma Avenue and soul In Township. An autopsy 157 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: found the bab eyed of malnutrition and dehydration. Today, the 158 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: judge ordered them to stay in jail without bond. Every 159 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: day we hear about, read about see it online a 160 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: child missing. Over four dred and fifty thousand children are 161 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: reported missing every year. 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Children or two children? Yeah? And 181 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: all right now yeah, and when you stopped her, Yeah, 182 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: and that's why you've been talking a lawyer? Yeah, oh yeah. 183 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: We are taking your calls nine zero nine nine crime 184 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: zero nine two seven four six three. You are hearing 185 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: more of this nut job Seth Welch's nine one call. 186 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to the lines. Joe in Florida. High, Joe, 187 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: what's your question? Don't you think that that father belongs 188 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: to the mental institution? He's crazy and the wife belongs 189 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: with him because she's putting up with it or betting him. 190 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Joe in Florida, Do you, 191 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: by chance have a law degree? Okay, let me ask 192 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: you a question. When you say he's crazy, do you 193 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: mean in the legal sense or do you mean it 194 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: in the vernacular in the street talk? Oh, you're crazy? 195 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: Do you mean he's legally insane? I think it could 196 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: likely be closer to be legally insane in terms, So okay, 197 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: hold on, that's just a yes no Joe in Florida. 198 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: If he were insane, why would we Why would he 199 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: call his lawyer first? If he's insane? Good question, Well, 200 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: then answer it. If you think he's insane and you're 201 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: throwing that out there, why do you think he called 202 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: his lawyer first? Well, I think his insanity is sort 203 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: of selective. Uh, you know, Joe, I appreciate that, but 204 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: please don't give the defense bar any new theories selective insanity. Actually, 205 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: I would love to argue that front of a jury 206 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: that he has selective insanity. Um. He goes on and 207 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: on with these posters that he has in the yard, 208 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: he has written along a fence he has out there. 209 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: He's got a home, he's raising a family. He knows 210 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: enough to do online videos. He says to the baby 211 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: was quote dead as a doornail, Dead as a doornail. 212 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: He's talking about an eight month old baby girl, dead 213 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: as a doornail. His words, not mine. Joe in Florida 214 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: still think he's crazy or just mean. He's a mental case. 215 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: That's all I can believe because, uh, you know, hate 216 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: to use the term evil. But why why do you 217 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: hate to use the term evil? What are you an 218 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: intellectual that doesn't believe in good and evil? I believe 219 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: in good and evil. But it's more than him just 220 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: being evil. That's too easy a caption to put on him. Uh. 221 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: He he just lacks humanity. That's what the problem is. 222 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: We lacking humanity, f y I, Joe in Florida. Lacking 223 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: humanity does not rise to the level of insanity. Joe Florida, 224 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: don't go anywhere joining me, right now Ashley Wilcott, judge, 225 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Ashley welcome. 226 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: Joining me with Ashley is Dr Bethany Marshall, Vincent he 227 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: old Cock turned p I, and John Limley, Crime online 228 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter to Ashley, this guy is not crazy. 229 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: He even told nine one one he called his lawyer first, 230 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: and his lawyer told him to quote called police and 231 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: quote get that going. He says, his baby is as 232 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: dead as a doornail. And this she also slept, slept Jackie, 233 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: go ahead, nineteen hours, Thank you calculator, jackie nineteen hours. 234 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: And that was normal. Also important, ash We keep saying 235 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: that his religious belief did not allow him to seek 236 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: medical treatment. She didn't die of an illness, she died 237 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: of starvation. That is torture. And add to that, he 238 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: made the comment it is what it is another day. 239 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: All of those things that together to murder. It's child abuse, 240 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: and that child abuse result isn't the death of an infant. 241 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: There's no insanity, there's no remorse, there's no compassion. And 242 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: hopefully this man never has another child because he just 243 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: murdered this one. Absolutely. Dr Bethany Marshall can you please 244 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: straighten out Joe in Florida? And I think John Linley's 245 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: jumping on the insanity bandwagon too. Well, this whole selective insanity. Actually, 246 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: I do hope that doesn't get into the hands of 247 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: defense attorneys because it sounds pretty good because he selectively 248 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: called his attorney, which lies that he knows right from wrong. 249 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: But then the way he talks to the dispatcher, which 250 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: is on a recorded line, is as if he has 251 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: no idea what he's just done. You know, most mental 252 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: and psychological disorders have many components, and I would say 253 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: the underlying component for this one is that he's probably 254 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: very sociopathic, which is a disorder of detachment. He is 255 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: not attached to his child, he said, he says she's 256 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: as dead as a doornail. He talks about. He talks 257 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: to the dispatcher as if he's reporting of fender bender. 258 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: I called, you know, I called the police, I called 259 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: my my attorney, and that you know. Now I'm taking 260 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: pictures of the defender. It's just it's just or the bumper. Now, 261 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: it's just another day. So on some level he does 262 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: not grasp the severity of what he has just done, 263 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: and what's in store for him, which implies he has 264 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: no cause and effect thinking, He has no anxiety about 265 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: what he's just done. He has no sense of lost 266 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: or warning for the child. All of this religiosity reminds 267 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: me of a budding cult leader. I wouldn't be surprised 268 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: if there are other forms of abuse going on in 269 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: that household, perhaps sexual abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, torture. 270 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: I think that when the investigators go into this household, 271 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: they may find a house of horrors. So I'm I'm 272 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: interested to know as the story unfools, just what else 273 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: is going on in that household? To Vincent hill Cock, 274 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: turned private investigator and hosting a brand new podcast called 275 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: Fall of the Titan at Apple iTunes, I'm really looking 276 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: forward to hearing that. Vincent, by the way, but I'm 277 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: gonna get back on this little girl Mary. You know, 278 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: we keep saying that he was exercising his freedom of 279 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: religion by not using doctors. I don't like that. That's 280 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: taking a swipe at a whole group of people that 281 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: really believe that they can heal their body's mind over matter. 282 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: Now do I agree with that? No? Do I think 283 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: it's possible. Maybe, But that's not what happened here. This 284 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: is not religious freedom. He let the baby starve, he 285 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: and the wife tossing on a few sorry, So there 286 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: is no freedom of religion issue here. It's not not 287 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: taking the baby to the doctor, it's letting the baby 288 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: star of Vincent. How do you prove this case? Yeah, Nancy, 289 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: The thing is, this isn't a day's work. It takes days, 290 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: sometimes weeks to start to death, even for a little baby. 291 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: And this guy has his David Koresh complex, like he's 292 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: just making all of these videos and all of this stuff. 293 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: But I think that dispatcher was so smart, Nancy. No 294 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: one's touched on this yet. But you hear this dispatcher 295 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: asking specific questions because he knows the lines getting recorded, 296 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: and he knows this will come back when this goes 297 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: to trial. So that dispatcher did an amazing job of 298 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: getting that information and basically getting somewhat of a confession 299 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: out of this sicko. Uh not in the legal sense. 300 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: He's just sick in his mind because he just thinks 301 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: he's above everyone else. Last day, afternoon, officers were called 302 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: to a Cedar Springs home after her father said he 303 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: found his daughter dead in her crib. Then on Friday, 304 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: the father and his wife, that ten month old baby 305 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: girl's mother were both arrested on accounts of child abuse 306 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: and murder. On your Sides, Emma Nicholas was in court 307 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: today when the parents were charged. She joined us now 308 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: live with more. Emma. Tatiana Fusari and Seth Welch are 309 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: currently in Kent County jails since they arrest on Friday, 310 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: and that's where they were arranged from together on Monday 311 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: afternoon on charges of first degree child abuse and first 312 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: degree murder due to malnutrition and dehydration. Welch's jaw dropped 313 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: when he heard the charges could lead to possible life 314 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: behind bars without parole. What exactly led up to the 315 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: ten month old baby, Mary Anne Welch's death is still unclear, 316 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: but the responding officer noted in his report that the 317 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: baby's cheeks and eyes were sunken in and when the 318 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: autopsy came back on Friday, confirming that the baby received 319 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: poor care, they were arrested. During their arrangement, Fusari did 320 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: ask for a pr bond so she could work her 321 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: full time job, but the judge denied that request. For 322 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: family murder will carrying life imprisonment. Um, you know the 323 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: CORP wants to make sure of particularly life without parole, 324 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: that we've covered every aspect of this, to protect our community, 325 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: to protect our society first and foremost, to protect any 326 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: other children than would be in your care and your guidance. 327 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: You are hearing from our friends twenty four hour News 328 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: eight straight out to John Linley, crimal line dot Com 329 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, tell me about the charges. These charges are homicide. Uh. 330 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: That is the ruling by the coroner, Dr David Start. 331 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: The forensic pathologists who performed the autopsy said that the 332 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: girl died of malnutrition associated with dehydration due to neglect 333 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: of adult caregivers. And it's very interesting we heard a 334 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: little bit about this, Uh, the shock of the deputies 335 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: from that Kent County Sheriff's office when they responded to 336 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: that nine one one call that was eventually placed a note. 337 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: A deputy noted that the infant's eyes and cheeks were 338 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: sunken into her head, she was not breathing, and that 339 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: she was cold to the touch. She was pronounced dead 340 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: right there at the scene. According to the Assistant prosecutor 341 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: Kim Richardson quote the baby looked like a hundred year 342 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: old baby, all skin and bones. To the founder of 343 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. A. S. C. Wilcot, Atlanta 344 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: judge and law you're asking quit about it. Here's the 345 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: thing that really bothers me, and you've already pointed it out, Nancy. 346 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: As a judge in juvenile court, I am asked to 347 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: sign orders when a parent sites religious reasons for not 348 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: seeking medical treatment, and you are absolutely right. It's not 349 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: because they've starved a child to death. It's because the 350 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: child literally in the hospital needing of blood transfusion or 351 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: some life saving procedure. That the freedom religion prevents the 352 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: parent from allowing or saying that they will do very 353 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: different in this scenarios. Hiding behind religion in this case, 354 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: you're wrong. By the time to Dr Bethany Marshall, the 355 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: baby's cheeks or sun can in that baby had been 356 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: starving for a long time. Nancy, I believe I agree 357 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: with Ashley Willcock that this perhaps has nothing to do 358 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: with religiosity. It might be that the parents simply did 359 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: not want this baby, hated the baby, resented the baby's needs, 360 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: hoped the baby would die, and now they're hiding behind 361 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: their religious beliefs and their suspicious suspicion of the of 362 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: the medical system because they're homicidal. And so often parents 363 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: we've these complex narratives. Um narratives I hear are that 364 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: my child's greedy, my child selfish, my child wants too much, 365 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: my child cries all the time, my religion prohibits me 366 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: from seeking medical assistance. But when in fact the parent 367 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: just does not want the child to be around. And 368 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: it's that simple. You know, another thing to cop turn 369 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: the private investigator, Vincent Hill. He did blog after blog 370 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: after blog, online video blogs. Don't you know the prosecutors 371 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: are going to dig up every single one of them 372 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: and play them back, Vincent. I mean it's a treasure 373 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: trove of evidence. Yeah, treasure trove would be an understatement, Nancy. 374 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: I mean all of that stuff it's out there. It's 375 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: public knowledge and that you don't need a search warrant for. 376 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, the prosecutor is gonna dig that up and 377 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: play it all in court. And back to our caller, 378 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: Joe and Florida Joe, this guy that you seem to 379 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: think is crazy has the wherewithal to dodge child protective 380 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: Services Defacts Department Family Children's Services dodged them. He said 381 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: he was afraid they would get in trouble if they 382 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: went back to defacts or Defacts found out the baby 383 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: was quote sick translation starving. So if he's crazy, he's 384 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 1: crazy like a fox because he knows not to call police. 385 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: He knows not to call de facts, but he does 386 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: know to call his lawyer. Not only that, Joe and Florida. 387 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: What has somebody told you now? Joe, I want you 388 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: to go do an online video blog right now? What 389 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: in the and post it? I bet that wouldn't happen, 390 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: But this guy knows how to do it. Seth Welch 391 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: was forever posting blogs or he would rent on and 392 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: on and on, foisting his beliefs on everybody else that 393 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: is not crazy, Joe Nancy. It's apparent that I am 394 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: incompetent of trying to pin down exactly what he is 395 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: because all of the people that are experts in that 396 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: have come on with the reasons and so on. I'm 397 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: incompetent of knowing, uh, what all of these experienced professional 398 00:25:53,320 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: people know about someone's aspect. So, but I'm worried about you, Joe. 399 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm worried about you because this and Hill and Dr 400 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: Bethany and Ashley Wilcott are not going to be sitting 401 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: on this jury. So let me ask you this to 402 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, this guy who drones on and on and 403 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: on on these blogs. As a matter of fact, listen 404 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: to this seth. Welch's wife, Tatiana fu Sary, was in tears. 405 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: A couple set side by side for their video arraignment. Today. 406 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: You're both charged with what they call felony murder. In 407 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: court documents, detectives say the couple told them they were 408 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: aware of their daughter's skinny appearance and low weight for 409 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: at least a month. The wife told detectives they did 410 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: not get medical help over fear of CPS taking away 411 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: their three kids, over distrust of medicine, and because of 412 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: religious beliefs. All have been topics of some of her 413 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: husband's rambling videos on Facebook, on doctors, their priesthoods, of 414 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: the medical call on vaccines, the righteous shall live by faith. 415 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: It's God who it's God who's sovereign over disease and 416 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: those sorts of things, and of course ultimately death. So 417 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott not only did he post these incredible bizarre blogs. 418 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: He gave a full on jail house. You know, if 419 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: you listen to this Ashley, Sir, what can I do 420 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: for you? Hi, Seth, this is Leon hendricks On, reporter 421 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: from with TV and uh we've been obviously reporting on 422 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: what's going on with you and um, yeah, so I've 423 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: been informed you have been making reports of some sort, 424 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: so that's why we're contacting you. Obviously, we only have 425 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: what the police have guins. I would advise you to 426 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: be careful what you say from here on out. You 427 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: will answer to the Lord for everything that is said 428 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: against me. Okay, So if we're recording it for a story, 429 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted you go ahead and record it. Sir? 430 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about this situation? 431 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: And obviously you're in jail and you could be there 432 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. What do you want 433 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: people to know about what happened? And do you feel 434 00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: like they're being justly treated and I being justly treated 435 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: on the inside. Yes, I am very thankful for the 436 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: conditions that could be much worse. I believe I'm being 437 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: unfairly charged and being made an example of for my 438 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: very strong faith and the trying times that are ahead 439 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: and being made an example of. So what really happened? Why? 440 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: Why do you feel like I'll tell you exactly, sir? 441 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: What really this marriage? Was a very skinny girl when 442 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: she was growing up, and now she's bigger than some 443 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: six year old boys. Um, so I didn't really think 444 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: anything of it. Uh. In the Bible it says that 445 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: good food is our medicine. So we fed her, um, 446 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: you know we we were feeding her chicken, potatoes, apples, cheese. 447 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean we were. We were giving her the good 448 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: stuff and then also combined with breast milk, and um, 449 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: she died. Um. You know, the Lord, give it the 450 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: Lord take it. To the Bible, it says that we 451 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: are not to use sorcery. Okay, you know this thing 452 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: is a thirty minute interview with our friends at t 453 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: V eight. Ashley Wilcott. You're the judge, you're the lawyer. 454 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: You're the founder of child crime watch dot com. Everything 455 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: is about him. It's all about you. Better watch about 456 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: what you report about me. You better be careful. It's 457 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: all about him, about how he fed the baby, nothing 458 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: about at all. I can't believe my baby is dead, 459 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: nothing like that. And how do you give an eight 460 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: month old baby chicken and cheese. The baby doesn't even 461 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: have teeth. It's insane, and it is, but this is 462 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: a good thing from my perspective in terms of wanting 463 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: to see those who abused and murdered children prosecuted. This 464 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: is great evidence for the prosecution. Number One, you can't 465 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: feed those items to a baby. A baby of that 466 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: age cannot physically eat those items. So to me, I 467 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: would argue, clearly he's lying he didn't see the baby anything, 468 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: because certainly couldn't have fed the baby those things. The 469 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: second part of this bus Nancy, you know as well 470 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 1: as I do, how much fun would you have had 471 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor with this particular inter view and his 472 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: recordings and his rants on the internet. They're going to 473 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: utilize all of that against him in trial, and I 474 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: think that that will help secure convictions. I mean, you're 475 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: listening to him, you're the shrink, Dr Bethany Marshall. Does 476 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: he sound in saying to you? He sounds grandiose, It's 477 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: all about himself, nothing about the baby. Sociopaths are grandios. 478 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: They become highly religious because they think they have the 479 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: direct line to God or that they are God. In fact, 480 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: he's preaching to the reporter who's talking to him. It's 481 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: as if he's giving his sermon to the world, and 482 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: he's so involved in the sermon he doesn't even think 483 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: about Mary. Why didn't they just feed her? If they 484 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: noticed she was getting skinnier? Why didn't they feed her? 485 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: Hold on Dr Bethany to John Linley, was their food 486 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: in the home? This is interesting to note the Kent 487 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's deputy Down ten Brink there in those court proceedings, 488 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: became very emotional about this point and the condition of 489 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: the house. She said, very dirty. The crib that Mary 490 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: was in, very dirty. Ten Brink said she found only 491 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: one container of baby food no formula during her survey 492 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: of the home, but photos showed three formula containers in 493 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: the house, two of which expired five months before the 494 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: baby's death. You know what, I'm just moved to tears 495 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: right now about the way this baby was treated to 496 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: as she Wilcott. We keep talking about Seth Wells, the dad. 497 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: What about the mom Taussian? I fy, sorry, she needs 498 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: to be the same pot and still with him, Yeah, 499 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: she does. She needs to be prosecuted for child murder, 500 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: as well, and here's why Nancy, a mother has a 501 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: protective capacity generally to protect the child, including from a father, 502 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: a family member, whoever it is who might be harm 503 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: in the child. The fact that she did not protect 504 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: this child, she was complicit. She too needs to be 505 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: charged with us. I want to take a listen to 506 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: his jail house interview obtained by t V eight. Listen. 507 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: Original Greek word for sorcery is far maachaia, which is 508 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: easily translated into our modern word her pharmacy, which is 509 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: all the use of pharmaceutical drugs and you know, including 510 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, like things like vaccines which um even have 511 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: ingredients containing aborted fetuses. Um, you know that and all 512 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: sorts of toxic chemicals which are causing allergic reactions and 513 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: in some cases deaths um amongst the populace. And the 514 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: more that is um they are being injected into the populace. Uh. 515 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: You know, I think the results are pretty clear. People 516 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: are getting more and more sick. There's more and more allergies, 517 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: there's more and more you know, physical maladies. So yes, 518 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: we did the best we could for Mary, according to 519 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: our faith. We fed her good food. Um, you know, 520 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: we gave her water, we we gave her lots of love. Um, 521 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: she just she passed. And here, no, did he look 522 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: like I mean that she was at risks of starving 523 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: to death. No, you're saying it was it was that drastic. 524 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: We would have done something, we we we would have 525 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: at least found a doctor who would be willing to 526 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: practice um, you know, things in a way that is 527 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: um compatible with our belief. But they were not keeping 528 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: her away from a doctor because they didn't like the 529 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: doctor's practices because it conflicted with their religion. They said 530 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: they didn't want to take her to the doctor because 531 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: they thought child services would be called and they would 532 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: get in trouble. And why is he talking about vaccines. 533 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: Lack of vaccines did not kill baby Mary. She died 534 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: of starvation. John in the court, it's very interesting they 535 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: didn't go into this. Welsh's defense attorney actually went a 536 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: completely different sort of confusing route, arguing that there's no 537 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: evidence the couple had any intention to harm their baby 538 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: or were wilfully neglectful. In fact, there is testimony that 539 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: both parents believed that their child was fine. The child 540 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: was skinny, but not sickly. They were breastfeeding the child. 541 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: These two people are not nutritionists. They are not dietitians. 542 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: Not nutrition is not dietitians. Ashley Wilcott, I didn't know 543 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: my head from a hole in the ground. All I 544 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: knew is I had to keep the twins alive, and 545 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: I knew that man, I had to feed them and 546 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: watch them. They were extremely premature. I was no dietitian. 547 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: I was no doctor, Ashley. But think about the accounts 548 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: of how this baby looked. Anyone would look at this 549 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: baby and know this baby was starving, and think about 550 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: this and all the steps along starving a baby to death. 551 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: They don't just lay there quietly. They cry, they're hungry, 552 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: and then they get lethargic and all these symptoms. So 553 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: he has basically admitted it to me by him saying, oh, 554 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: if there's been any sign, we certainly would have found 555 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: some kind of doctor that could meet our religious needs. No, 556 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: there were plenty of signs. He just admitted he just 557 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: chose to ignore those signs. Well. In another portion of 558 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: his interview, he says, quote, it's like saying a murder 559 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: victim died from bleeding to death instead of saying they 560 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: die because they got their throat cut. I believe something 561 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: else happened here that caused Mary's body to shut down 562 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: in such a way. It's just a bunch of cockamami babbling. 563 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany. Still he's still trying to talk about vaccines, 564 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: which had nothing to do with Mary's death. He's still 565 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: trying to talk about doctor treatment being bad, which had 566 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: nothing to do with her death. She died of starvation. 567 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, even if they had fed her, 568 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: they probably did not address all these critical stages of 569 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: development where you play with the child and you cuddle 570 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: the child, and once those developmental stages passed, those opportunities 571 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: for growth are gone. So the starvation is the most 572 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: obvious sign of neglect, but there were many, many more 573 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: types of neglect going on in this home, not only 574 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: with this baby, but with the other children. And one 575 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: more quick thought. You know, he's stringing together all these 576 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: ideas that don't make sense. And we call this trite, rehearsed, 577 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: stereotyped speech. It's when somebody presents all these superficial ideas 578 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: as if they know what they're talking about, but they 579 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: really don't know what they're talking about at all, And 580 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: it's a cover up for a very deficient human being 581 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: who cannot attach, has no empathy or remorse, and can't 582 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: even love his own children. Well, this is what I 583 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: know youre scenario about he and the mother Tausian if 584 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: you sorry, leaving the baby on a multi matches, shutting 585 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: the door, and letting her die fits with the facts 586 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: as we know them. There is no death penalty in Michigan. 587 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: Let's see what un falls in court. Nancy Grace crime 588 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: story signing off goodbye friend.