WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Football Friday 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.360 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:16.240 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.400 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:25.119 Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:33.640 and Nicky Spagnola and it's time for a fabulous Football 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.479 Friday edition of Mick Shots as we get you ready 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:43.680 for an extended football weekend. I love extended football weekends 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:48.760 because the Cowboys play on Monday night against the Arizona Cardinals. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.080 I don't like Sunday afternoons when the Cowboys don't play, 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.320 or Sunday evenings when the Cowboys don't play, But it 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.240 gets all better on Monday when the Cowboys do play. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.400 And how are you doing? Person Walls and Mickey Spagnola 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.880 and I guess we'll start with Mickey since it's mix Shot. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.880 So Mickey, how are you doing in your SWBC mortgage studio? 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:15.319 I'm doing great on this wonderful fall afternoon here in Dallas, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:20.240 Texas area. Gosh, it's cool. We should be going to 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.880 a football game tonight in high school? They still do 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.160 they let you go to high school games? Still? Yes, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.680 they will Yeah back you've got it in your neck 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.840 of the woods. You got a pretty good quarterback. You 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.160 could go flight. You have some cowboy ties. Doug nuss 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.480 Meyer's son, he's awfully good and headed to LSU. Garrett 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.800 nuss Meyer. Yeah, how about you, Everson Walls and your 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:47.040 SWBC mortgage studio. How are you doing? I am doing fine. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.040 I'm happy that the Cowboys have an extra day of preparation. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.320 We're gonna need it. Hopefully we can get some injured 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.160 guys back in there and show up our personnailed a 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.080 little bit. I'm sure, Spag, we'll have an update on 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.840 who's going to be playing, what's going to be happening 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.160 right but Monday night, Well, since you brought it up, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.880 you know the injury report yesterday of the guys that 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.399 weren't on injured reserve, trying to practice or on the 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:22.080 commissioner's reserve list, everybody was full in practice. Everson Griffin 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.680 missed for personal reasons, but my understanding is is he 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:30.760 back out there again today. So from that standpoint, all 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.600 as well, if they just can get the guys on 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:38.160 ir back on the field, and it sure sounds like 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.520 they're pretty optimistic about Layton Vanderish being ready to go 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:47.040 Monday night. He practiced yesterday. They were in pads today 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.840 and he was fully padded up and in the individual drills, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.880 you know, he was he was thudding up with his pad. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.799 So Mike McCarthy seemed optimistic and a lot I'll have 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.720 to do with as you guys know, when you've missed 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.840 time like that, you know, you get one practice. Now, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.200 how do you feel the next day? And I think 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.840 that I'll have a lot to determine on if he's 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:17.639 ready to go Monday night. So how important would that 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.520 be if Layton vander esh is ready to go on 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.520 Monday night, in particular against this Arizona offense. Yeah, I 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.640 think just having him on the field, no matter who 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:32.839 you're playing, would be an upgrade from what they can do. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.240 And it also gives them a little bit more flexibility 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.640 with Joe Thomas on what they ask him to do 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.280 if they might want him to if they want to 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.880 use a strong side linebacker, they can use him there. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.600 They can rotate and not give vanders sixty snaps in 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.640 the game after being out for five weeks, you know, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.080 joke and come in on maybe nickel down something like that. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.600 Have a little bit of a rotation, but just having 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.720 him on the field I think is huge for this team. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.920 It'd be nice to be able to have an extra 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.480 linebacker out there as spags because you know, Joe Thomas 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.320 has been been playing very well. I think his recognition 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.080 has been there. He's played off of the aggressiveness of 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:26.520 the defensive lineman, especially in this last ball game. Of course, 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.840 he's got his weaknesses. We talked about him being more 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.200 of a strong side than a weak side, and that 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:38.040 really says a lot about his athleticism. So having Vanders 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.360 in there, to me, having that extra body is one thing, 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.120 but with his athleticism that Layton brings to the table, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.320 you know, we could probably I'm hoping we can show 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:54.279 up the inside run as well as the zone recognition. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.040 You heard Romo talk about the Cowboys secondary and I 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.520 meant to bring this up yesterday. He talked about the eyes. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.600 You know, everyone has their own terminology on you know, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:11.200 what they describe and whether it's your flaws or you know, 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.960 whether it's you're the good things you can do. One 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.919 thing the Cowboys problem is the deficit in their and 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:23.640 their past program is they don't recognize things they don't 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.480 see it. I saw one play I think it was 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:31.479 against the Giants Jalen Smith turned his back to the 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.200 quarterback in the zone. You don't turn your back to 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.760 the quarterback in his zone. Your eyes should always be 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.360 facing the quarterback and of course trying to determine as 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.720 you view what's going on in your peripheral from the 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.680 wide receivers and tight ends what is developing. And that's 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.960 why we're not good on bubble screens. That's why we're 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:58.039 not good on pursuit because our eyes are not back 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.159 on the quarterback or back. Was a line of scrimmage 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.159 and pass play it best, something that we truly have 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.480 to work on it. Romo can see it as a commentator, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.839 then of course other coaches see it and other quarterbacks 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.159 see it as well. Something that we really have to 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:18.200 work on. Right, So, what has the adjustment been like 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.279 for Jalen Smith? You think moving from middle linebacker to 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.000 the will linebacker this year obviously had his best game 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.480 against the Giants. Is as Mickey you pointed out earlier 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.880 in the week, is read and reaction was much better 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.839 in this game. Do you think it? What do you 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.640 think the biggest adjustment has been for him. Yeah, I 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.599 think it's been more recognition on what's getting ready to 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.760 happen before it happens. You know, the middle linebacker, you 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.440 know most of that there. You're you're reading what's going 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.720 on right in front of you. My understanding is that 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.520 he didn't play that position at Notre Dame and he's 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.200 you know, and he certainly didn't play outside with the Cowboys, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.440 So this was this was an adjustment for him that 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.799 I think he needed to make. Now we'll see if 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.200 last week was just one of those things, or he's 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.480 actually got this thing somewhat figured out and he's making 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.720 the adjustment to the week side. Because you're you're more 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.600 free to run to the ball, but you do have 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.720 some responsibilities on things you need to cover. And I 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.520 think he showed that this past game with the recognition 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.480 on the screen passes and the little flare passes to 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.280 the outside. So his reads were better and maybe he's 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:41.000 starting to understand what that takes because you know, you know, 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.000 he's always been out there with either Sean Lee or 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.960 Layton vander esh so this was a little bit of 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.000 an adjustment. Plus he had the burden of kind of 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.400 making the adjustments out there you know the calls. Everybody says, well, 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.320 he had to make the defensive calls. Well, I can 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.760 make the defensive calls because I could hear him in 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.800 my helmet, right, I just repeat what the coach says. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.800 It's not like he's looking out there and going, Okay, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.920 this is what we're gonna do. But you have yeah, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.360 you know what I want Mickey's personality. I don't think 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.520 Everson that Mickey could make the defensive calls because he 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.280 would have a problem with what the call was and 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.560 I'd make the adjustment and he would he would have 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.880 a discussion with the defensive coordinator about him, sure you 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.120 want to you can't make that call and this you 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:38.360 can't think, don't decipher. Just make the call. That's what 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.440 they would be saying in your helmet. That would be 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.679 in your helmet the entire time. Just make the call. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.800 They would take the here aid out of my helmet, 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.320 I guarantee. But when you when you're talking about the 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.760 improvement from Jalen though, I must say his part of 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.240 his improvement was the fact that that that D line 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.800 was more recognizable than what they were doing as well, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.960 so they had a lot to do with it. He had, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.679 he didn't have as much garbage in his way. You know, 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.320 they kind of cleared the path for him, They plowed 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.679 the road for him in a lot of ways. A 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.840 linebackers just like a running bad guys. You depend on 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.040 your line. You depend on your line to help you out. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.640 Just give me a just give me a crease, and 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.360 I'll take care of everything else. And that's pretty much 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.120 what Jalen did last week. He should be able to 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.320 do that again this week because I think the Cardinals 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.679 offensive line is in this array as well. They're not 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.760 running the ball well at all. They're a lot like 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.400 the Giant in regards to that. But of course you've 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.600 got Kyler Murray there as opposed to Daniel Jones. So 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.360 I'm looking for him to continue his improvement. And I 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.000 don't want to give you a spoiler on my pick 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:54.000 to click, but definitely looking forward to that improvement. Yeah, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.600 there's a matter of fact on their offensive line. They're 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:01.320 starting right guard j R. Sweezy was not practice yesterday, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.600 so we'll see where that goes here the next two days. Yep. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.640 He he only got in thirty seven snaps last week 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.120 against the Jets. You know, the other thing about a linebacker, 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:17.320 that will linebacker, you have to have a great peripheral 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.040 vision as well, almost like a running back like you know, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.400 Tony Dorsett said that he used to to practice when 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.480 he drove his car, he would lose his peripheral vision. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.319 He you know, see cars out and so. And as 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.760 a will linebacker, when you're reading a play, you also 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.559 have to be able to read where the blocks are 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.160 coming from, that tied end cracking back on you, or 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.000 or a pulling guard or something like that. And that's 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.880 one of the things that Sean Lee is able to 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.200 do so well. He can avoid a linebacker that's coming 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.360 out to block him because he's he's got that good vision. 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.520 People don't talk about that enough about I think as linebackers, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.839 they got to have good vision too, all right. So 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.840 when it comes then to stopping the game that the 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.160 Cardinals do have that is unique, and that is the 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:10.840 quarterback design runs zone read type plays. Who does that 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:16.000 put the pressure on on the Cowboys defense? Well, I 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.920 would I would think it puts it on the linebackers. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:25.360 You know, your defensive front has a responsibility of at 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.600 least staying in their lanes, so not opening up gaps. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.800 But if there's a gap, you know, the linebacker's got 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.960 to fill it. So I think that this is going 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.360 to be one of those deals where the as Everson said, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:45.640 the defensive line in concert with the linebackers, and it might, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.040 you know, behoove them to drop a safety down into 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.680 the box quite a bit and maybe they play you 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.680 know that since they don't have a rugged running game. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:03.400 Right the leading rusher Yon Drake fourteen, he's averaging three 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.560 point seven a yard. I mean the guy they go 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:12.280 to ends up being Murray soon Again, maybe you are 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.400 in nickel and you take your chance with the running back, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.559 but if that safety's dropping in the box, boy, he'd 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.440 better keep an eye on the quarterback. He can't over commit. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.199 You're looking at situational ball, guys. We talked about this, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.679 uh I talked about this yesterday in regards to you know, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.200 coaches being on top of it. There's certain situations where 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.120 we have to be successful. We talked about the end 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.559 of the quarters into the halfs things of that nature too, 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.080 minute drills, third and short fourth down, those kinds of 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.880 things where we have to prepare for some type of 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.360 trickery from from Kyler Murray. We're gonna look for them 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:54.240 to go heavy, heavy with d hop down the field. Uh, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.160 they're kind of limited in what they can do as 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.400 far as intellectually now as far as making the they 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.079 can still make the plays. You're getting the red zone, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.280 we know they're gonna be heavy. Fitzgerald, he's gonna be there, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.240 tight end. Bill. You talked about that yesterday. So you 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.840 know there are things that we're just gonna have to 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.200 be aware of. That's all of this to it. The 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.360 pressure that we talked about from the zone blocking. If 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.800 they had the personnel to be really good at it, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.280 then that could be a danger for us. But like 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.120 I said, I'm not sure if their offensive line really 0:13:25.160 --> 0:14:22.320 has the personnel too. If the personnel that the defense 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.440 has out there. What's your take Mickey on what the 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.200 Cowboys are trying to do defensively in some of the 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.640 personnel packages are putting out there. Well, I think that 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.800 in this case, it looks like the Cardinals will go 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.560 three wide the majority of the time. So that means 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.600 you're going to be in nickel and you may be 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.720 in dime a little more. You know, when you were 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.600 talking about snaps, they almost had a rotation going at 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.760 the cornerback positions too. If you look at the snaps 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.520 in the game, Jordan Lewis had seventy nine percent, Worly 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.880 had seventy five percent, Digs at seventy four percent, and 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.160 then you go down to Anthony Brown, who's playing the 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.240 first time in four weeks, and he had forty nine 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.360 percent of the snaps. So there were times where Diggs 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.840 was out, Brown was at corner, Whirley was at corner. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:20.120 Jordan Lewis basically stays in the slot, and he needs 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.640 to pick up his game too. By the way, uh 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:31.360 since since I metted up his game and so so yeah, 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.400 and then you did. You kind of did the same 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.960 thing with the safeties switching around. You know. One of 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.080 the things I kind of liked the look was Thompson 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.560 was playing closer to the line of scrimmage. They were 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.200 playing a lot of single safety high too, trusting either 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.440 Parker or Donovan Wilson back there. But there was time 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.960 Donovan Wilson dropped into the slot also, so uh yeah, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.320 they kind of mixed up their coverages a little bit. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.320 And hey, give give those quarterbacks something to read, you know, 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.000 don't just assume let them go to the line of 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.040 scrimmage and assume what's getting ready to happen. So I 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.440 like the fact that they were in that dime as 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.280 long as they're in it when they know they're throwing 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.160 the ball and they're not trying to stop the run. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.600 And also, think about it, we were, we were kind 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:22.120 of handcuffed by the personnel that we have available to us. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.320 So I'm you know, we we'll always playing nickel and dime, 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.200 I'm sure, but you know, there are times when we 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.680 wanted to play as of course the Cleveland game, and 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.400 we wanted to play bigger and we just couldn't. So 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.640 I think we're doing the best we can with the 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.960 personnel that we have, and we're just gonna go with it. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.920 Just like everyone else in the league. 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I believe 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.840 yesterday the first time the Cowboys ever played a Monday 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.199 night football game was against the Cardinals. It was the 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.040 Saint Louis Cardinals at the Cotton Bowl in nineteen seventy. 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.960 That was fifty years ago. Yes, fifty years ago, the 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:52.000 first year of Monday Night. Oh, oh my god. Oh man. 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.320 All right, so now my question do you Everson Walls? 0:19:55.480 --> 0:20:00.920 Do you remember your first Monday night football game as 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:05.800 a Dallas Cowboys player? Oh? Of course. It was my 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.639 most important moment in my career. You know, when you 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:14.840 have Howard Coasale. I'm not sure if Yeah, Don Meredith 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.640 was there. I think they had just signed on OJ 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.280 And of course, uh was it Giffer? Was Giffer there? 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.000 I think it was Giffer. I'm I'm not sure who 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:33.800 was there. In nineteen Yes, we played the New England Patriots, right, yeah, 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:39.560 the the the ride to the stadium was extremely harrowing. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.640 You know, those crazy Boston folks I'm sorry. If you're 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.520 some people down here that that can hear me, and 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.480 people in Boston, you guys know you're crazy. Uh. They 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.520 stopped us from making it to the game on time. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:59.400 The Dallas Cowboys were late for Monday Night Football nineteen 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.399 eighty one. The fans would they would stop all of 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.880 the bus. The cops would get off the bikes, go 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.719 up to the cars, the cars will pull off, cops 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.840 get back on the bikes. We go ahead. They stopped. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:19.040 We did this for like for like thirty minutes. They 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.040 just kept doing it. They bait the cops. It was 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.720 just ridiculous. I was petrified when when we finally made 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.560 it out there. You know, I've heard of Boston. My 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.480 memory of Boston was looking at Jet Magazine where the 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.119 black dude got stabbed by the American flag. That's what 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.280 I remember by Boston downtown. So I'm like, hey, I'm 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.880 keeping my helmet on the entire game. I never took 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.760 it off. I used all of that nervous energy on 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:50.440 the field. We kicked their butts. Tony Dusset had an 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:54.880 amazing game. Ron Springs I think scored one or two times. 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.200 Huson Walls had an amazing game, I had two interceptions. 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.680 I wouldn't even starting at the time. I was still 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.560 coming off the bench, and that game put me into 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.040 the lead in interceptions for the NFL, and I wasn't 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:16.360 even starting yet. And then I was donned by by 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:21.040 Hollow Cosell as the cornerback that the Cowboys had finally 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:26.400 been looking for since meil Renfrew. And don't you don't 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.600 you start talking about how old mel Renfroll is and 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.680 then you talk about I don't want to hear it 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.800 so well, so Howard Cosell, I mean, because that was 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:39.560 just the third game of your career, and you got 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.320 two interceptions, which gave you three on the season, because 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.480 you got an interception in your first game, and then 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.520 in your third game you got two picks. So Howard Cosell, 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:52.400 who was a master of hyperbole, to begin with, very 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.879 good Bill, that's exactly whether you're hanging around i'll lead 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.000 too much. I mean, it'd be easy for Howard Cosell 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.560 to say that about you if it was the thirteenth 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.280 game of the season, where you already had eleven picks 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.760 that year. But those were just your second and third 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.639 pick of your career. An undrafted guy out of Grambling 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.080 and he's already comparing you to mel renfro And sure enough, 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.199 you had not only eleven picks in the regular season. 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:20.520 But people forget Mickey that. Ever, Everson doesn't forget because 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.879 he remembers every intersection, everything like me, Yeah, everything about 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:29.240 being But but Everson also had two interceptions in the 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.680 game against San Francisco that everyone talks about, a catch 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.480 that was made and they and a fumble refumble would 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.399 cover to rob me. I've been robbed all my post career. 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:44.560 So his rookie season he had thirteen interceptions Everson did 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.439 if you count the playoffs, absolutely and you know, if 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.480 you count the Cobo, then let's just count fifteen. Okay, 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:56.120 all right, well he probably threw you. Let's just fold 0:23:56.200 --> 0:24:00.320 it in. So what you needed to point out is 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.800 going to that stadium in New England, the old Stadium. 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.800 It was basically a two lane road, right it was. 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.680 It went through the neighborhood and if I remember right, 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:16.080 they had to put an ordinance on alcohol being sold 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.840 at the stadium because the people were basically trashing the 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:27.400 neighborhoods leaving the games at night. Yeah, unbelievable. I don't 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.600 know how they build the state? How do they build 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.240 the state? You know, Buffalo did the same thing. Two 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.199 lane road on the main road that you had to 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:38.800 take to get to the stadium. Was that rich Stadium? 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:43.560 Was it called rich Standium? Yeah? Right, yeah? Yeah. And 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.520 now when you start talking about what harbercas sale was 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:51.000 when he had just made that hyperbolic, hyperbolic statement, built 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.480 that was that was what he was all about. But 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.240 let's think about the context there. It's almost like what 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.320 we have now. It was as if and Everson Walls 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:03.200 would come right now, and any guy, any guy, it 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:07.040 could be a Mickey Spagnola. He comes in, he picks 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:11.080 off two passes. That's something that we hadn't seen before 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:16.280 in a long time. So if a Spagnola came right now, 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.920 and if he picked off three passes in two games, 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.639 then I would say we have us another mail Renfro. 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.920 That's exactly what I would say. So we needed it then, 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.600