1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Trazy 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: v Wilson and I'm Holly Friday. We kicked off our 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: week with the second part of our two part of Unearthed, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: having done the first part last week. Yes, it's a 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: little weird, just to throw everyone off a little bit. 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: It's a big psychological experiment, especially because we're recording all 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: of this on the same day that was not happening. Yes. Uh, 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: you said you had a a category to propose. Is 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: at least that's how That's what I interpreted. Yes, I mean, 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: at least jokingly, we should just have a worms category 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: because it was like parasites and then whip worms and 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: then ship worms, and I'm like, clearly there's a worm 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: thematic going yeah, going through history. And it made me 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: think of the Futurama episode where Fry gets worms and 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: they actually make him smarter and stronger. Yeah. So um. 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: We have talked before about how Futurama is a show 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: that has all these things I would love on paper, 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: but I have somehow never watched all of it. But 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: that's one of the ones I know about. My family 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: came over on the Sandwich is such a good episode 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: and it's so funny. I feel like that one comes 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: up a lot is like examples of really good episodes 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: of that show. I mean there's so many, so so. 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean there's Jurassic Bark Forever, which is painful. M 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: uh Fry Gets Worms is great. There's a lot that show. 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: It's been rerunning a lot lately, which it wasn't for 28 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: a while, and now I keep running into it as 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: my thing in the background in the evenings when I'm 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: zoning out or working on something elson I'm like, oh, 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: I need to rewatch the show all the time. But 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: there are too many things that I feel that way about. Yeah. Uh. 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: I also had another animation moment when we were talking 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: about edibles and potables, because that word potables came up 35 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: on Bob's Burgers recently yes where they were going camping, 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: and there was a note that the water was not 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: what Linda called potable, and Bob was like, it's it's potable. 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: This made me laugh. I think that's the word I've 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: heard people say both ways, and that also reminds me 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: of various times that I've been places where there's just 41 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: been very stern warnings that the water in whatever place 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: should not be consumed, often the water used to wash 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: her hands. That like a porta potty somewhere. Oh gosh, 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: when when I used to do a lot more races, 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: like all of those little like you know, on the 46 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: course for runners, porta potties would have like stickers usually 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: on them that were like, don't drink this water. And 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, on the one hand, of course you would 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: need to do that warning, And on the other I'm like, 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: who really needed that warning? But somebody probably did. Somebody 51 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: probably did, for sure, I'm certain. Plus to be fair, 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want to judge anybody. After you've 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: run like ten miles. If you're like me, your brain 54 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: has stopped functioning anyway, So maybe you need the sticker 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: to no, don't don't no, don't do that, don't do that. Yeah. 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: I can also see easily see people like washing their 57 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: hands and then like rinsing their mouth out not even thinking, 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: or just like splashing their face which will put it 59 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: very close to your mouth, which is not a good 60 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: idea either anyway. Water. Yeah, none of this has anything 61 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: to do with that. I've been following all of these 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: through hikers on TikTok Uh and one of the through 63 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: hikers I follow got e coli during her through hiker 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: um along with a bunch of other through hikers, and 65 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: it turned out that there was a well that was 66 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: contaminated that they all thought, uh, that they all thought 67 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: was a safe sort of source of water because it 68 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: was a well for drinking from. You're making the most 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: horrifying face. As a child who grew up on wellwater. 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: There was a time we had to bleach our well 71 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: because it got something I'm not even on wellwater. I'm 72 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: still back on why would anyone do that to themselves? 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: Because why would anybody do it through hiking? I don't camp, 74 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: so a through hike is like a nightmare to me. Um. 75 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: I have been kind of living vicariously through these various 76 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: through hikers because I similarly that's most of the hikes 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: they've been doing are like, that's more than I think 78 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: I ever would actually want to do, But I'm enjoying 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: watching somebody else do it. No, I do a lot 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: of day hiking, and I'm like, it's like day hiking 81 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: every day, but it's it's more than camping. Yeah. Yeah, 82 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: I've been in the woods, not for you. Plenty of 83 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: camping as a kid, when my family moved from outside 84 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: Seattle to the Florida Panhandle in my parents thought it 85 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: would be cool to camp across the country to make 86 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: that move. Nine year old Holly got all she will 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: ever need of And I hate it and I have 88 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: hated it ever since. And please let me camp at 89 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: the Marriott. That's what I want. UM. When I was 90 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: a massage therapist, you had to get a certain number 91 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: of continuing education hours every year to keep up your stuff. 92 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: And we also had requirements for additional training beyond just 93 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: massage school for this job that I had. And so 94 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: a coworker and I had signed up for this continuing 95 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: education course. UM that was a couple hours away from 96 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: where we were living. And this uh was at a 97 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: massage school that was housed in a place that was 98 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: originally a farm, and you could camp there for something 99 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: like ten bucks, which gave you access to like the 100 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: like an area there to camp and also a bathroom 101 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: in a shower and stuff like that. And we were like, 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: this is great, we have no many we will camp 103 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: there for ten bucks. It'll be great. Night number one 104 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: of camping. We were both like, this is amazing. That 105 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: was the best night of sleep I have had in 106 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: so long. We were so excited. Uh, and then when 107 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: we got up after night number two of camping, we 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: were both like, that was horrible. I am too old 109 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: for this. And we were both in our like thirties 110 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: at that point. She was little older than me, so 111 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: she might have been like in her forties. And so 112 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: now I'm like, I bet, I bet if I tried 113 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: to sleep on the ground for nights and nights and nights. 114 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: I know people have all kinds of cool like sleeping 115 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: mats and inflatable stuff and whatever, but I'm sure I 116 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: would be like, oh, a bet a bet is a thing? 117 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: I like you, I know, I just never no. I 118 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: like how we've spent this whole behind the scenes talking 119 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: about worms and hiking, and very little of it on 120 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the part of Unearthed History. I know this is I 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: will to loop it back to stuff we talked about 122 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: on the episode. All of these Vermier things are make 123 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: me think, like, do I need to plan a trip 124 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: to go see that exhibition? Yeah, it's supposed to be 125 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: like a landmark exhibition of Vermeer's works, So if you 126 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: are a Vermeer aficionado or just an art person that 127 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: might be a good one to check out. As always, 128 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: I have a three page list of stuff that I 129 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: had bookmarked that we did not wind up talking about. 130 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Uh some of it because I couldn't find like a 131 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: very like like what was interesting about this that makes 132 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: it sound like an interesting thing to talk about. And 133 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: sometimes I just like couldn't find the right like angle, 134 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: or I was really confused by it, or it was um, 135 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: it was almost identical to stuff that we've talked about recently. Yeah, 136 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Like somebody found a bottle of of heart drops is 137 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: what it was described as, like a medicine an intact 138 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: medicine bottle with the stuff still inside of it, at 139 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of the river. I thought that was really cool, 140 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: but did not wind up talking about it this time, um, 141 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: which is just always going to be the case. I 142 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: used to keep the bookmarks for this publicly visible so 143 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: people could look at them, but then I ran into 144 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: technical difficulties and that was no longer possible. So anyway, 145 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure we will find yet more parasites stuff to 146 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: talk about in future installments of Unearthed, but I found 147 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: these ones particularly gross. They're pretty achy. Yeah, So anyway, 148 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: we'll have more unearthed and approximately three months, probably sometime 149 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: right after the first of the year. This week we 150 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: talked about Emily Pauline Johnson, also known as Decayell and Wigay, 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: who I don't even remember how I stumbled across her name. 152 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: I was told in various it ups of her that 153 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: one of her poems called the song my Paddle Sings 154 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: is like a staple in younger grade school classes on poetry. Um, 155 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: but I did not go pull my various friends from 156 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: Canada to be like, do you know this poem? Is 157 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: this still true? I mean, I was not in Canada 158 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: but in the Pacific Northwest in elementary school, and I 159 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: don't remember it. Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. 160 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot of being a kid like 161 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: yeah my uh, my gut would be for folks in 162 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, they might have been more likely to 163 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: hear things that were specifically about the Pacific Northwest or 164 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: the Squamish legends that she wrote about, which I heard 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: multiple Mohawk people, particularly women talk about her with just 166 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: so much love and affection, and it like it just 167 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: made me really joyful to hear people talk about her. 168 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: I don't actually know off hand how the Squamish nation 169 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: feels about her having written and shared these stories and 170 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: legends that were shared with her by chiefs ap look Um, 171 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: because that's a complicated thing to share an indigenous people's 172 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: stories or legends or or any of that. And it 173 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: does really seem like she tried really really hard to 174 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: be as accurate with it as possible, but she was 175 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: also from, you know it, in a different indigenous nation, 176 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: from a different part of the continent, and they didn't 177 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: share a language totally fluently. UM. And then when she 178 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: got to the work that she was needing to dictate 179 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: to somebody else because of her illness, Like there's another 180 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: layer of separation between she who was writing this down 181 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: and the person who told her the stories initially. So 182 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's kind of a complicated thing. 183 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: One of the things that has become um a resource 184 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: for me on the show is a book called Elements 185 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: of Indigenous Style UM, and it is by Gregory young 186 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: Ing who UM wrote this book to like give especially 187 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: non Indigenous people a framework for writing thoughtfully and correctly 188 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: about Indigenous people or people from a different indienus indigenous 189 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: nation that they are not part of. And one of 190 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: the points that is made is there's a lot of stuff, 191 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: especially from around the nineteen and early twentieth century, that's 192 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: widely available that is in like an indigenous nation's stories 193 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: or legends or whatever, that was documented and written down 194 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: without really their participation or consent. And it's really important 195 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: for researchers who are working today to not just rely 196 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: on that uncritically without really confirming with people who are 197 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: still living today whether it's accurate it and how they 198 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: feel about it, and whether there's maybe a different source 199 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: that would really be the preferable one to be used. 200 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: So I feel like all of that is like connected 201 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: to that book Legends of Vancouver, but not something I 202 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: was able to go and like track down how does 203 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: everyone feel about this book existing today? I keep thinking 204 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: about the fact that we we even mentioned in her 205 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: accounts when she had that initial meeting that she was like, oh, 206 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I only knew some of their their words. Then when 207 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: you get into that um many layers, as you said, 208 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: of removed from possible accuracy and retelling, it gets very tricky. 209 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: I felt some some papers written about her UM that 210 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: were critical of her in a way that I saw 211 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: the point being made, but I also didn't feel like 212 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: it was entirely justified. Like she clearly didn't love the 213 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: fact that she needed this Indian princess costume for people 214 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: to think she belonged on stage, right, She she didn't 215 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: like the fact, but she also seems to have been 216 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: willing to play that game so that she could have 217 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: an audience and she could you know, write what she 218 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: wanted to write and say what she wanted to say. 219 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: And then in her will, like she understood that that costume, 220 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: like she thought that costume belonged in a museum. It 221 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: wasn't something she was like, Oh, that was garbage, I 222 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: should throw it away. And so I would sometimes see 223 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: things that were like, uh, like had a tone of 224 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: I wish she could have been more authentic. And while 225 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: there's a piece of that where I'm like, yeah, I 226 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: can see where you're coming from, but also a lot 227 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: of things about her life we're really in line with 228 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: the history of her family and the history of the 229 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Mohawk Nation more generally, like the Mohawk Nation had just 230 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: long standing alliances with the British while also simultaneously being 231 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, exploited by the British, like her her father 232 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: was named after King George the Third, she was named 233 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: after Napoleon's favorite sister. Like, there was a lot of 234 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: interconnectivity between their family and British and Canadian culture. Um. 235 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: And So some of the times when I would find 236 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: these things that people would say was like I wish 237 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: she could have been more authentic, and it was like, well, 238 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: she she authentically felt herself in both of these worlds, um, 239 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: and there are definitely things that she felt conflicted about 240 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: or didn't really love, but like to write her entire 241 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: body of work off as inauthentic, I was like, I 242 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's actually correct, right, Well, I mean here's 243 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: the thing. If she had written in a way that 244 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: someone with that criticism may have perceived as authentic, that 245 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: word is so loaded it would have been inauthentic to 246 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: her experience. Yeah. So, like there's the weird thing of like, 247 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: would you really want her to lie or misrepresent herself 248 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: to fit a frame work of what you think is 249 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: more appropriate for a woman of her background. That's problematic, Yeah, 250 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: And that's there were times when it also seemed threatened 251 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: through with like an assumption that there's only one way 252 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: for an indigenous writer to write. Like, I would find 253 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: some places that had sort of counted how many of 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: her poems were quote indigenous and uh, and they were 255 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: only counting the ones that were like very explicitly about 256 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: being Mohawk or a piece of indigenous history or whatever. 257 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: And it was like, well, but she she wrote all 258 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: of these and she was Mohawk, so all of it 259 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: in some way is like influenced by that part of herself. Um. 260 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: And I found that just an interesting way for people 261 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: to focus, because I don't think when somebody is like, oh, 262 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: here's a woman poet, but only one percent of her 263 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: poems are about women, Because only one percent of her 264 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: poems there's like specifically saying this is my poem about 265 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: being a woman's It was a little weird. So anyway, 266 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: I really love her and I love her story and uh. 267 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: I think all the complexities of her legacy are still 268 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: really relevant to a lot of people who are like 269 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: living in multiple worlds through having like multiple pieces to 270 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: their heritage and ancestry. I think about her life on 271 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: tour and I cannot help but be filled with admiration 272 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: because it sounds exhausting it so does when you and 273 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: I go on tour, I feel like three shows that 274 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: we need a break after that, like we need a 275 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: day off. Yeah, for sure. And so the just the 276 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: colossal amount of of shows that she did over the 277 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: course of just a few months, I was like, man, 278 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I I would not have known where I was or 279 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: what I was doing by the end of that. That's um, 280 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know after three shows where we are. 281 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: I know, it's different, right, she wasn't doing big jumps 282 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: of air travel every day, but she's presumably doing train 283 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: travel and that had its own logistics and ships across 284 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. Yeah, it just makes you want 285 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: to lie down. Yeah. Yeah, some sometime when I make 286 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: it out to the Pacific Northwest again because I do 287 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: have family out there, maybe I will take a little 288 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: trip to Vancouver. I love Vancouver. Oh, the food scene 289 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, it's just a great a great place, beautiful, 290 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: all of the all of the beautiful scenery, all of 291 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: the yummy things. Plus I'll tell you about you know, 292 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: the places to eat ice cream? Sounds great? So, uh, 293 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: Happy Friday again. Whatever is on your plate over the 294 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: next couple of days. I hope it's great. We'll be 295 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow. 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