1
00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,720
Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote, I'm Melissa Malbranch.

2
00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,399
Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about whether or not

3
00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,280
Speaker 1: you should put your carse in the dishwasher you should not,

4
00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,880
Speaker 1: about all the cleaning ladies who are also camgirls, Pablo Escobar,

5
00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:24,759
Speaker 1: Zoo Animals, Punch the Monkey, Black Market, Needos, an interview

6
00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,840
Speaker 1: with Joanna from America's Next Time Model Cycle to the Winner,

7
00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,159
Speaker 1: about the new documentary on Netflix and E News, and

8
00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,360
Speaker 1: all your questions from our dms. Just a quick shout

9
00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,680
Speaker 1: out if you want to please watch us on YouTube.

10
00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,680
Speaker 1: It's a great place to check out the show. You

11
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,199
Speaker 1: can see all the bronze I'm wearing that week, and

12
00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,120
Speaker 1: if you like the show, like the videos, get online.

13
00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,639
Speaker 1: I finally made social media pages for this podcast, so

14
00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,280
Speaker 1: it really is me behind them posting every.

15
00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,760
Speaker 2: Day, So it's not me.

16
00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,720
Speaker 1: We can afford like a guy who does that for us,

17
00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,760
Speaker 1: so it is me. So subscribe to Brief Recess on

18
00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,920
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel and check out those videos and feel

19
00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,120
Speaker 1: free to the comments. We really are reading the comments,

20
00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,360
Speaker 1: so check it out. Use the same ten.

21
00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,640
Speaker 3: Everything tends to steal pens.

22
00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,880
Speaker 1: But you did. You almost gave me the Haitian mother. Look.

23
00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,840
Speaker 1: Melissa does this face when she's about well, it's not

24
00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,160
Speaker 1: it's not. It's her imitation of her mother, by the way,

25
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,720
Speaker 1: who my mom.

26
00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,480
Speaker 4: I grew up in a household where you got your

27
00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,640
Speaker 4: ass beat And when she would get mad and she

28
00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 4: was about to hit me, if she was sitting, she

29
00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,080
Speaker 4: would always wait, I'm gonna do it for you.

30
00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,240
Speaker 2: That's her bending down.

31
00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,039
Speaker 1: To slowly bending down with this look like.

32
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,880
Speaker 2: With the eye contact, about.

33
00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,280
Speaker 1: To whip a sandal at you. A slipper, it.

34
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,120
Speaker 4: Was, it was always a slipper. They were called batta

35
00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,040
Speaker 4: and uh. They were like leather at the bottom and

36
00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,960
Speaker 4: the top and the and the the song part of

37
00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,400
Speaker 4: it was they came in like multiple colors, and the

38
00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,920
Speaker 4: ones that my mom used to beat my ass with

39
00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 4: were orange.

40
00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,680
Speaker 1: Whatever I say something crazy, Melissa gives me the look

41
00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,080
Speaker 1: you're just about to beat me with.

42
00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,360
Speaker 2: The slipper grass.

43
00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,959
Speaker 1: I know that look. I know I'm in trouble. Let's

44
00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,960
Speaker 1: get into a sidebar. Let's talk about what's going on.

45
00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,960
Speaker 1: What's happening this week in our life?

46
00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,000
Speaker 2: So many things.

47
00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I said something earlier, because something's going on

48
00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,360
Speaker 1: in the lighting in this studio, and I just have

49
00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,840
Speaker 1: to speak to it because every time we come to

50
00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,840
Speaker 1: the studio they have a different lighting setup. And it's

51
00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,320
Speaker 1: almost as if I looked hideous the week before, is

52
00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,080
Speaker 1: how I perceive it. I'm like, oh wow, it was

53
00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,480
Speaker 1: so bad last week that we actually we flew in

54
00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,520
Speaker 1: a specialist from Canada who created this new light fixture.

55
00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,040
Speaker 1: I kind of finally know how to light.

56
00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,519
Speaker 4: You are so self absorbed, so it's all about you

57
00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:49,600
Speaker 4: at all times.

58
00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,880
Speaker 2: And you know what the other thing is? Do you think?

59
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,080
Speaker 4: Do you imagine? Because I say this to Andre all

60
00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,560
Speaker 4: the time. When I tell him to wear something something,

61
00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,280
Speaker 4: He's like, no, I'll look dumb. In what world does

62
00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,519
Speaker 4: it make sense for me to tell are to wear

63
00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,200
Speaker 4: something that he's gonna look stupid?

64
00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:06,960
Speaker 2: At ye?

65
00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,040
Speaker 4: In what world does it make sense that I let

66
00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,040
Speaker 4: you go out look.

67
00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,040
Speaker 1: Like a nut job? That's true, that's true?

68
00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,320
Speaker 2: Right? Would you let me look? And now I feel like,

69
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,600
Speaker 2: would you let me look crazy?

70
00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 4: No?

71
00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,600
Speaker 1: What? Never?

72
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

73
00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,200
Speaker 1: Okay?

74
00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:21,640
Speaker 6: Chance?

75
00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:32,839
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I tell you.

76
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,359
Speaker 2: We have to reset.

77
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I am paranoid, but not sometimes the paranoid

78
00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,280
Speaker 1: is right like a broken clock is right twice a day.

79
00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm afraid for you.

80
00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Bronzer on the mic. We're okay.

81
00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:54,360
Speaker 2: So if you notice the lighting is different because started

82
00:03:54,440 --> 00:04:01,040
Speaker 2: throwing things around, I threw and now a lighting. But again,

83
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,760
Speaker 2: can you imagine.

84
00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,800
Speaker 1: You are one of the few friends who's not like,

85
00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, I do look great and I look hideous.

86
00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,800
Speaker 1: You will be like take that off right now, yeah,

87
00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,160
Speaker 1: or you'll be like, we got a you've got something

88
00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:17,359
Speaker 1: on your face? What's that in your teeth? Be that friend,

89
00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,000
Speaker 1: Be that friend for someone, and at least have one

90
00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,279
Speaker 1: person in your life who can do no.

91
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,840
Speaker 4: I mean honestly, like, especially we do stuff together, and

92
00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,360
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

93
00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't even think I'd be able to look.

94
00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,760
Speaker 4: At you and not mention the thing that's not right.

95
00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,680
Speaker 4: But like, that's a big black schmutz on your ear.

96
00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,479
Speaker 1: You don't have a poker face. Every thought is on.

97
00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,679
Speaker 1: Don't ever go to Vegas. No, you'll lose because every

98
00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,400
Speaker 1: emotion is right there on your face.

99
00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I have been known to hold it back,

100
00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,280
Speaker 4: but but like, why should I bother with you?

101
00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,280
Speaker 1: When someone said, like telling you something insane? You are

102
00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,280
Speaker 1: really good? It just kind of like, yeah, tell me

103
00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,039
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

104
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,520
Speaker 2: Why don't you Wow, yeah, that's crazy.

105
00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then I'll get a text, my text from a

106
00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,800
Speaker 1: listone something that this is what you say, yo, Yeah

107
00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,359
Speaker 1: that is why. Oh and that's the text I got. Yes,

108
00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,080
Speaker 1: it's never like hey, Michael, here's something that's going on.

109
00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,800
Speaker 1: I know there's some function is happening when I get

110
00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,400
Speaker 1: YO and I'm like, drop everything here. We got the

111
00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,279
Speaker 1: tea yeah.

112
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah is piping and it's usually so the YO.

113
00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 1: Is like, Yo, I need to brace myself.

114
00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,640
Speaker 4: So and so has said something that is so Do

115
00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,880
Speaker 4: you remember there was a moment So I don't know

116
00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,240
Speaker 4: if people people must know this, right.

117
00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,400
Speaker 2: Michael and I used to work together.

118
00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,880
Speaker 4: And I remember we were reading something that somebody who

119
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,159
Speaker 4: is a professional writer had Do you remember this had

120
00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,760
Speaker 4: sent us? And I looked at it and I started throwing.

121
00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,520
Speaker 2: Things across the room.

122
00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,480
Speaker 4: I was livid, like I cannot believe that this person

123
00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,440
Speaker 4: makes this amount of money and.

124
00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120
Speaker 2: This is that's what we've got.

125
00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:01,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

126
00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,599
Speaker 4: I was so and Michael had to like talk me down.

127
00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,600
Speaker 4: He was like, Melissa, it's fine, we'll fix it.

128
00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't want to have to fix it.

129
00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,000
Speaker 2: That's her goddamn job.

130
00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,520
Speaker 1: So mad you get so, yeah, there the there's other

131
00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680
Speaker 1: things you've been totally incensed by recently.

132
00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,919
Speaker 2: Recently the world.

133
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,040
Speaker 1: It's the world, but you, yeah, there are sometimes things

134
00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,360
Speaker 1: and it's never with you. I've noticed this about you.

135
00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,600
Speaker 1: It's not the roast it is it's the Doctor Phil show.

136
00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,320
Speaker 1: It is psychologically, I notice what happens with you.

137
00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:39,760
Speaker 2: What is it?

138
00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,720
Speaker 1: It's never the horrific thing and it's and it's it's

139
00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,440
Speaker 1: not it's not like headlines. It's always like the straw

140
00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,240
Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back, and you fixate on the

141
00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,520
Speaker 1: one little stupid thing and you get so mad about that.

142
00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,240
Speaker 1: And I know that whenever you're upset about that, it's

143
00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,520
Speaker 1: because of the year of bullshit leading up to that,

144
00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,240
Speaker 1: where you weren't complaining, where you weren't.

145
00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,120
Speaker 2: Saying anything, or I was just choking it back.

146
00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,440
Speaker 1: And then someone coughs and doesn't cover their mouth and

147
00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,240
Speaker 1: you get out of glock and the ar and it

148
00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,760
Speaker 1: really is it is, yeah, murder on the dance floor.

149
00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:20,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that?

150
00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,080
Speaker 1: And then she keeps their car? Do I think?

151
00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,160
Speaker 2: What do you think that? That is a Taurus trait?

152
00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,680
Speaker 2: I think that it is.

153
00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,920
Speaker 1: You told me once you were like I was mad

154
00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,520
Speaker 1: at my dad for something. And this is one hundred

155
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:31,920
Speaker 1: years ago.

156
00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,400
Speaker 2: You were mad at your daughter. I was mad.

157
00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,800
Speaker 1: I was not at my dad, and you were like, Michael,

158
00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,480
Speaker 1: you have to say something because you and I are

159
00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,720
Speaker 1: the same. We're both tauruses.

160
00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,800
Speaker 2: Coming up on tours season.

161
00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Buckalop.

162
00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,080
Speaker 2: My birthdays are two days apart.

163
00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you said you need to say something to

164
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,080
Speaker 1: your dad otherwise you'll be at the dinner table and

165
00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,400
Speaker 1: you'll just explode.

166
00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,520
Speaker 2: You'll do that what's her name from Housewives which he.

167
00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,640
Speaker 1: Throws the table, Yeah?

168
00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,040
Speaker 2: Or Cardi B Jude Ice or Cardi B.

169
00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:07,720
Speaker 4: What is.

170
00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you're right, you do just kind of have

171
00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,520
Speaker 1: to say something.

172
00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:12,960
Speaker 2: You do.

173
00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,280
Speaker 1: But it is a tourist trait where we hold it in.

174
00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,440
Speaker 1: I do hold it in, and we wait and wait

175
00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,120
Speaker 1: and wait, and then it's that one time my husband

176
00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:28,600
Speaker 1: loads the dishwasher wrong and he puts the leg crusan Melissa, No, yes, no, yeah, no,

177
00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,560
Speaker 1: And he's being brought up on war crimes at the

178
00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,920
Speaker 1: Hague like it's actually so bad.

179
00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So now I'm wondering, what did you not teach.

180
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,040
Speaker 1: Him, Melissa. This is the state of education in America.

181
00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,360
Speaker 1: Cannot be left at my feet. You can't lay that

182
00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:43,959
Speaker 1: at my feet.

183
00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to lay all of.

184
00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,720
Speaker 4: It at your feet, but I am going to lay

185
00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,079
Speaker 4: your husband putting in the Luquist in the dishwasher at

186
00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:50,520
Speaker 4: your feet.

187
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,600
Speaker 1: And everyone learns in different ways, right. We have visual learners,

188
00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,240
Speaker 1: we have people who need to be beaten.

189
00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,680
Speaker 2: What'sd why are you doing that?

190
00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,720
Speaker 1: I bring it up every time and he's like, it

191
00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,520
Speaker 1: takes two seconds to wash this. Yeah, it's the size

192
00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,679
Speaker 1: of a buick for sure. To put that in the dishwasher.

193
00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,360
Speaker 2: You can't put anything else in there.

194
00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,319
Speaker 1: It's a it's a one night only engagement. We've got

195
00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,480
Speaker 1: just the La Cruse cycle going now, and it's not

196
00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,360
Speaker 1: going to clean it. We like burned macaroni in that

197
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,280
Speaker 1: it's not coming out. That is that is an elbow

198
00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,040
Speaker 1: grease situation. The dawn that saves the ducklings from the

199
00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,559
Speaker 1: oil spills isn't even going to be able to know.

200
00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 2: You need like a barman's keeper or whatever that one is.

201
00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the barman's keeper. We need that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

202
00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,880
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a fabulous so equivalent.

203
00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,240
Speaker 2: No, okay, not for that, Okay.

204
00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,720
Speaker 4: I had to tell Andre many times that he can't

205
00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,880
Speaker 4: put cast iron in the dishwasher.

206
00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,840
Speaker 1: But that is actually wicked.

207
00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,440
Speaker 2: He was, and he was just like why not.

208
00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,880
Speaker 1: He's like, it's nice. It takes the blackout, it comes

209
00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,920
Speaker 1: out light brown.

210
00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,160
Speaker 2: And it's a rust, babe, that's rust. He doesn't do

211
00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:56,680
Speaker 2: it anymore.

212
00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,439
Speaker 1: He's learned, but it took a while. Yeah. The thing

213
00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,160
Speaker 1: is is that I think what's happening in our house

214
00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,280
Speaker 1: is we alternate nights of dishes. So if you walk

215
00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,280
Speaker 1: the dog, you fold the laundry and sort of get

216
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,240
Speaker 1: the bedroom ready. If you do the dishes, you tidy

217
00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,800
Speaker 1: up the living room and hang up the coats.

218
00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,280
Speaker 2: So wait, why don't you hanging up your own coats

219
00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,360
Speaker 2: every night? You sho're not gonna answer me. No, I'm

220
00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,120
Speaker 2: not okay, So you guys come and just throw the

221
00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,880
Speaker 2: coats on the floor.

222
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,040
Speaker 1: And you know what, I don't owe you any answers.

223
00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,240
Speaker 4: I disagree. I'm asking you a question. You should provide

224
00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:28,920
Speaker 4: me with the answer.

225
00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,320
Speaker 1: If during the course of a day, there's like the

226
00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,880
Speaker 1: clothing chair. You don't have a clothing chair. It's the

227
00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480
Speaker 1: chair you throw all your clothes and bag and I have.

228
00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,000
Speaker 2: Like a basket. But yes, it's the same, thank you.

229
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. We're not throwing them, I mean sometimes on

230
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,680
Speaker 1: the floor, but not it's like the bench by the door.

231
00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:50,360
Speaker 2: We throw I mean Andre, every every day, every day.

232
00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,320
Speaker 1: I cut to you and me in divorce court, like

233
00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,559
Speaker 1: the two of us are not gonna that's not We're

234
00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,199
Speaker 1: not gonna make it.

235
00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,600
Speaker 4: Not even at this point, is like I just sort

236
00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,760
Speaker 4: of like, pick it up now, but Andre to wear socks,

237
00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,079
Speaker 4: t shirt on the floor in a pile.

238
00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,440
Speaker 1: Every tears it off, just what you know what. And

239
00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,319
Speaker 1: some days it do be like that. Every day I

240
00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,079
Speaker 1: got to rip your close off. It's if it's August,

241
00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,640
Speaker 1: it's every day off of me.

242
00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 2: It's every damn yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's every day.

243
00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,600
Speaker 1: I love that though, that is like, I think that's great,

244
00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,720
Speaker 1: do you Yeah. I think it's so liberating, it's so freeing.

245
00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,360
Speaker 1: It's very like Upstate Commune of him. I love that.

246
00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,559
Speaker 1: It is very much like Flower Crown energy.

247
00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,240
Speaker 4: Maybe, but I just think, you know, he thinks there's

248
00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,520
Speaker 4: a magic fairy who comes in to pick up That's oh,

249
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,760
Speaker 4: this is what I want to tell you. Sorry, speaking

250
00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,360
Speaker 4: of picking up things, I'm sorry. It's all gonna make

251
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,400
Speaker 4: so much sense. So I finally caved and we have

252
00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,280
Speaker 4: a cleaning person.

253
00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:49,920
Speaker 5: You do.

254
00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,079
Speaker 1: I love it support an immigrant community.

255
00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,240
Speaker 2: Like I love that, I do you know what's an immigrant?

256
00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,240
Speaker 1: Well I'm that's actually great. Thank you for clocking my privilege,

257
00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,840
Speaker 1: not assuming we had a white cleaning lady growing up.

258
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,400
Speaker 1: But wait no, she was Polish, so she was an immigrant.

259
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so tell me not an immigrant she is? Okay, yeah,

260
00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,719
Speaker 1: you fucking fuck you.

261
00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:10,800
Speaker 3: She is.

262
00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,440
Speaker 1: Just like I just wanted to make a white man

263
00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,240
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for.

264
00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,840
Speaker 2: Us, because you know what to be roasty, you all

265
00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:16,920
Speaker 2: need to be roasted every now.

266
00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,360
Speaker 1: Want to catch me with the accountability, I admitted it, But.

267
00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so nice to like just have a clean

268
00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 4: place and everything is where it's supposed to be.

269
00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:25,840
Speaker 2: So that's great.

270
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,600
Speaker 4: And also, you know, a friend of mine was saying,

271
00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,240
Speaker 4: and you're also hiring somebody, you're helping putting money into

272
00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,800
Speaker 4: the economy.

273
00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:31,880
Speaker 2: All that is really true.

274
00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,840
Speaker 4: There is a part of me, though, that feels guilty

275
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,280
Speaker 4: about it, Like it's just the two of us and

276
00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,360
Speaker 4: Arthur Weasley. There is no reason why the two of

277
00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,600
Speaker 4: us together cannot clean our own place.

278
00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,000
Speaker 1: So the guilt isn't about having someone clean up after you.

279
00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: It's the guilt is over, like you feel like you failed.

280
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the guilt is.

281
00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 4: The guilt is why do I need someone to clean

282
00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,080
Speaker 4: my home? I am capable of cleaning my home.

283
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not going to do it very well.

284
00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,640
Speaker 1: Like it's the apartment right now is as clean as

285
00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,480
Speaker 1: it's going to get with my efforts, and it's not

286
00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:07,120
Speaker 1: very clean.

287
00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,400
Speaker 2: Is it not clean or is it messy?

288
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,880
Speaker 1: It's not clean? Oh, Like I'm not like taking a

289
00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,840
Speaker 1: Saturday to like scrub everything and mop and sweep, like

290
00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Okay, So I think that's where

291
00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,480
Speaker 1: that is for me, Okay, but for you, you're feeling

292
00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:22,720
Speaker 1: like I should be doing this.

293
00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,640
Speaker 4: You're feeling like I should be doing this. There are

294
00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,080
Speaker 4: already things that I don't do, Like I don't really

295
00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,440
Speaker 4: do laundry. We send our laundry out and I don't

296
00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,360
Speaker 4: even take it to a place. They come to my

297
00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,880
Speaker 4: house and they pick it up in a drop it back.

298
00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,560
Speaker 1: I have a feeling. Do you feel a way about

299
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,079
Speaker 1: that at all?

300
00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:36,760
Speaker 2: Great about that?

301
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? We had? Okay, so in our old apartment, every

302
00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,040
Speaker 1: time the cleaner would come and it was like once

303
00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,839
Speaker 1: a month or every other month. The outlet in our

304
00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,560
Speaker 1: bedroom was like always unplugged.

305
00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,760
Speaker 2: What were they plugging in?

306
00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,720
Speaker 1: And Brad and I were like, is she like filming

307
00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,679
Speaker 1: in the bedroom or something? It was like, oh, I

308
00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,679
Speaker 1: was like is there Like I don't know. I don't

309
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,440
Speaker 1: really know her, Like I don't She's a beautiful young woman,

310
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is she like filming? Is she like

311
00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,800
Speaker 1: a cam girl? Like? What is happening in the bedroom?

312
00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,760
Speaker 1: And so I called Shermaine who knows everything. She's just

313
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,720
Speaker 1: like I just have one of these friends. She's like,

314
00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,440
Speaker 1: fucking who knows that wikipedia, She's just she's just good.

315
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,840
Speaker 1: She was like, you're such a stupid idiot. She's like

316
00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:26,280
Speaker 1: she's gotta plug in the vacuum. It's like, oh yeah,

317
00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,320
Speaker 1: that does make much more sense than she's moonlighting as

318
00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,960
Speaker 1: a cam girl in my bed. Like she's just like

319
00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,360
Speaker 1: you know what, slanging and banging while in my bedroom

320
00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,720
Speaker 1: then cleaning it up.

321
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,640
Speaker 2: Some vacuum.

322
00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,560
Speaker 1: It was always in the bedroom. And then I was like, oh, right,

323
00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,360
Speaker 1: there is I was like, what is she doing? Ouldry, Yeah,

324
00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,600
Speaker 1: we just had boomer banks that last week. But then

325
00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you're right, there is only one outlet

326
00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,960
Speaker 1: in the bedroom and she probably just wasn't plugging the

327
00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,200
Speaker 1: lamp back in.

328
00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny.

329
00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,680
Speaker 1: Let's get into your algorithm is showing what's going on.

330
00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,680
Speaker 1: What is it in your feed today?

331
00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,440
Speaker 2: What's in your feet? We've been talking about my feet

332
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:10,600
Speaker 2: a lot.

333
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,640
Speaker 1: I've been talking about my feed. Have you seen punch

334
00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,320
Speaker 1: the monkey at all? Has this like hit your feet

335
00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,560
Speaker 1: at all? You were obsessed with the baby hippo.

336
00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,960
Speaker 2: I love hippos so much.

337
00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,040
Speaker 1: Melissa was obsessed with what was the name of.

338
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,600
Speaker 2: It, Fiona? Her name was Fiona.

339
00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,080
Speaker 1: But you didn't see Melissa's face. If you're listening to this,

340
00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen like such empathy and like empathy, heartfelt

341
00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,000
Speaker 1: warmth come on an expression from you.

342
00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,240
Speaker 2: It's it's not true.

343
00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,360
Speaker 1: It's not that it's uncommon, it's just it really shone through.

344
00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:50,760
Speaker 1: When you said Fiona, you went Fiona the shoe gaisy

345
00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:51,880
Speaker 1: koy moment.

346
00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,760
Speaker 2: So just generally I like hippos.

347
00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,680
Speaker 1: I think she she's like, okay, so more about Fiona, yes, no,

348
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,640
Speaker 1: but no, no no.

349
00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,520
Speaker 2: I just generally I like hippos. I think they're cute.

350
00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,080
Speaker 2: I am well aware. I am well aware.

351
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,760
Speaker 4: That they're not very nice and that they kill you

352
00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,960
Speaker 4: just because they can. But I still and they know

353
00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:11,680
Speaker 4: the best.

354
00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,440
Speaker 1: What same girl right back at you.

355
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,040
Speaker 2: You're talking to.

356
00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,080
Speaker 1: The woman who kicked him man on the subway, and

357
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:17,600
Speaker 1: you're tongue.

358
00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,320
Speaker 2: He takes me first, and he had it coming. Let

359
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,240
Speaker 2: the record reflect.

360
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,320
Speaker 1: He knows what he did.

361
00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,200
Speaker 4: He know, he knows what he did. But yeah, so

362
00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,200
Speaker 4: I just happened to light them. And then there was

363
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,640
Speaker 4: like this new one that was born, and she was

364
00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,760
Speaker 4: so cute, so cute and chubby. Her little ears would

365
00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:35,400
Speaker 4: wiggle and.

366
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,920
Speaker 1: They're slimy little skin. It was very cute. It was

367
00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,440
Speaker 1: very cute. I even think the big hippos are cute.

368
00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they're so cute. They're just really nasty.

369
00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,000
Speaker 2: Did you know that Colombia, sorry, Pablo Escobar.

370
00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,120
Speaker 1: Had like a whole zoo, had a hole ze, yes,

371
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,520
Speaker 1: and they didn't know what to do with it.

372
00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,240
Speaker 4: He imported hippos and then when she got back a Pablo,

373
00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,400
Speaker 4: the hippos got loose in the wild in the jungles

374
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,280
Speaker 4: of Colombia where they are breeding like rabbit. They're they're

375
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,760
Speaker 4: changing the infrastructure, the ecosystem in Colombia. The local people

376
00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,640
Speaker 4: now have done this thing where they're making money off

377
00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,640
Speaker 4: of this. They have tours Escobar's hippos. The hippos are

378
00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,080
Speaker 4: killing people left and right. It's bananas.

379
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:18,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

380
00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm kind of all about it though.

381
00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,440
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would.

382
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,359
Speaker 4: That sounds kind of I know, but they're not indigenous

383
00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,160
Speaker 4: to Colombia, so it's actually really.

384
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 1: It's not like one of these like oh more.

385
00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,560
Speaker 4: And apparently I think I read I could be wrong,

386
00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,280
Speaker 4: but like their scat is really toxic for the area.

387
00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know, but whatever, that's what I read.

388
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 1: And it makes me worry because it's like there's really

389
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,120
Speaker 1: only one solution to that, you know what I mean.

390
00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,720
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's like where we're air airlifting

391
00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,800
Speaker 1: hippos out and like placing them in zoos. I don't

392
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:54,360
Speaker 1: think that's how.

393
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 4: I don't think that's And so there was this movement

394
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,439
Speaker 4: to get rid of them. But the local the people

395
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,320
Speaker 4: of the area who have now started to make money

396
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,879
Speaker 4: off of this, they like, please do not do this.

397
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,680
Speaker 4: You will send us directly back into poverty. Really fascinating

398
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,480
Speaker 4: that interestingnation, I know, but did you imagine, like, oh,

399
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,760
Speaker 4: I think I'm just going to get a zoo and

400
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to get a I'm going to know his arket.

401
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,159
Speaker 1: So Punch the Monkey has gone viral, okay, and I

402
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,119
Speaker 1: already ordered a shirt. It's okay. It's going to get

403
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,720
Speaker 1: here in four to six weeks. It's being hand embroidered.

404
00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,920
Speaker 1: We talked about it already.

405
00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,080
Speaker 2: Let me see what this say is.

406
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead, look up the monkey. I'll look him up.

407
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:38,480
Speaker 1: So he's very cute and he is being bullied by

408
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,879
Speaker 1: all the other monkeys at this suit. And I believe

409
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:41,960
Speaker 1: it's tokyo, right c J.

410
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Let me just say this. When you Google,

411
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 2: I was like, what is this?

412
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,400
Speaker 4: When you Google Punch the Monkey and it comes up,

413
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 4: Google sends hearts with a monkey in it?

414
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:53,399
Speaker 2: Did you know?

415
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 1: No, there's a lot of support. I don't think so.

416
00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know Google could do that.

417
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,439
Speaker 2: Neither did I, but it just did it. Wow, that's weird.

418
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,399
Speaker 4: You know what though, I gotta tell you my cousin

419
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 4: Erica loves monkeys, and and we talk about this all

420
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,960
Speaker 4: the time about how I don't like monkeys.

421
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,240
Speaker 1: I don't like monkeys. I'm not like they're a monkey.

422
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 2: Girly like too much like people. I don't like.

423
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,399
Speaker 1: That, and like once they turn around, they've got like

424
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 1: gross butts. They've got like like a.

425
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,199
Speaker 4: Bad boon, but the bad boone butt, I think. But

426
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 4: I think the bad boon butt is especially when they're

427
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 4: in heat.

428
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 2: I think what I think? I think I think got

429
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 2: the good thing.

430
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,160
Speaker 1: Even David Attenborough could narrate that into like a fun

431
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: cute moment.

432
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,120
Speaker 2: I think I think that's what it is, But I'm

433
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: not sure.

434
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 1: The bad boon when bum, he would say bum right

435
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 1: on his bum. So, so Punch is getting bullied by

436
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 1: the other monkeys.

437
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 2: Apparently two days ago he was making friends and fitting

438
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 2: then Okay, that.

439
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 1: Is really that's actually reassuring because it has kept my

440
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 1: household up at night. Brad is deeply invested the.

441
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 2: Monkey finally by his peers after primate was abandoned by

442
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

443
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 1: What the way with a live coverage, it's a live feed.

444
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, we've got Chris John amenpor being lowered

445
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 1: into the monkey tank.

446
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 4: These are the questions that people ask in Google. Is

447
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 4: punched the monkey? Okay, now we'll punch the monkey? Be okay,

448
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 4: what's going on with punch the monkey? What is punch

449
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: the monkey? I'm here to answer all your questions.

450
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 1: He does. I'm sure he does. And so he was

451
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: being bullied finally being accepted. It sounds like, but before

452
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: then he had a stuffed animal. I see it that

453
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 1: he was self soothing with around the world. Yeah, and

454
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: the zoo keepers were sort of and the zoo keepers

455
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: would come in to feed the monkeys and he would

456
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,640
Speaker 1: jump on the zoo keeper's shoulders to kind of like.

457
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,479
Speaker 2: Because it didn't have to cuddle.

458
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 1: He didn't have any friends. Yeah, so that's been hitting

459
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: my feed.

460
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: It's very sad. Now I'm looking at it. God, damn it.

461
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: See now you're really invested.

462
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 4: No, but it's sad Like looking at him sort of

463
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 4: like cuddling with his plushy is weird.

464
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 2: It makes me feel sad.

465
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: I saw one tweet that was like, I know that

466
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: plushy smells ripe. Discuss I know that thing smells nasty.

467
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, go ahead.

468
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: My niece has been asking me to get her something

469
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: this like viral squishy squishy toy. It's it's like a

470
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: stress ball, but it's I forget what it is.

471
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: Big.

472
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: It's called.

473
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: Michael Rude.

474
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I bet it's the toy store. I'm

475
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: trying to get my niece this freaking stress Wait, there's

476
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: a line, it's like a beanie baby line to get

477
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: these stress balls for kids. They're called like something dough

478
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: d o h, me dough and e E d o h.

479
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: And the kids are going wild for them. And so

480
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: my niece texted me she wanted one. So I've got

481
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: a local toy store in my neighborhood that I was

482
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: going to anyway to buy a gift for someone. So

483
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey, do you have the needles? The

484
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: woman rolled her eyes in my face is she scoff scoffed,

485
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: like I had just asked her for the hope diamond.

486
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Like, I was just googled. I

487
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: didn't know that they were sold for your simple bit stupid.

488
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: And then she spit on me. She said get out,

489
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: you had it coming and I was like sorry, I

490
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: didn't realize, and she was like, you don't understand. The

491
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: phone's been ringing off the hook all day asking for

492
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: the need do She's like, it's only five dollars. It's

493
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: basically a stress ball. And I was like, okay, well

494
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: can I get one? And she was like, look, you

495
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: clearly have no idea what's going on in the world, right,

496
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: You're clearly so focused on punch the monkey. You don't

497
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: know anything about what's happening in my world of children's toys, sir.

498
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: And she said, why don't you come back tomorrow with

499
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: cash four one pm? She said, because the kids at

500
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: the local public school get out for lunch around twelve

501
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: forty five one o'clock. So she said, get here before

502
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: them with cash, because there's going to be a line

503
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: out out the door around twelve forty.

504
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: Five, so you should go there before that.

505
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: She said, you need to come here before then with cash. Yeah,

506
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: because the FedEx guy arrives between eleven and three, so

507
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: you can come back around eleven and try and see it.

508
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: And she wasn't, Well, it's a hold one for you.

509
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, you know, did you try

510
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: and no dice?

511
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: No dice?

512
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: Wow? And I mean she's got ethics and scruples, scruples.

513
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: I rarely hear the words scruples anymore.

514
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: Because people don't have them anymore. Michael scoops.

515
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: So it's so Shakespeareance, there was so Hamnet.

516
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 4: There was a trashy novel I read that was called Scruples,

517
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 4: And I think there was a.

518
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: Mad TV toll stoy No no.

519
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: No stop, no no no stop.

520
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: How dare you don't hold on? Let's put some respect

521
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: on his name.

522
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: Told there, So, which size is Maddie want? There's a

523
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: there's a big.

524
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is, I'm going to get whatever

525
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: I can get my dirty little hands on, and there's

526
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: and then she's going to be like, I don't know

527
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: that one. She's like, that wasn't the one I was

528
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: looking at. So you know, I'm going to do my

529
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: best as the fun uncle, and we're going to see

530
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: what happens. Because I did call this morning and the

531
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: woman took the phone off the hook at the toy store,

532
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: so clearly someone's people are harassing her. She's just like

533
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: this bald lawyer keeps showing up and bothering me. So

534
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna we really are going to see where that goes.

535
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: I know there's more important things in the world. Well,

536
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: but it's so rare, and it was actually like kind

537
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: of fun throwback for me waiting for like a Harry

538
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: Potter book when I was younger, or waiting for a

539
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: beanie baby drop or do you have Beanie Baby? I

540
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: was a beanie baby kid.

541
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 2: How many beaning babies did you have a lot of them?

542
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: Not like a lot, but I was like really excited.

543
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, we would get excited about

544
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: the shipman coming in, like would the new beanie baby drop.

545
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: So it did kind of bring me back to the

546
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: choice of my youth before I was a hardened criminal,

547
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: before this life of crime.

548
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: And you know this before you got jaded.

549
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, this sort of hard knock life.

550
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: Scruples is a best selling nineteen seventy eight novel by

551
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 4: Judith Krantz. It follows the glamorous life of Wilhelmina Billy Winthrop,

552
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 4: the owner of a high end Beverly Hills boutique, exploring

553
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: themes of fashion, Hollywood, and romance. And there were two

554
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: I think there were like two made for TV movies

555
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: about this in nineteen seventy eight. I probably read this

556
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: book when I was like ten. I should not have

557
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: been reading this book.

558
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of petticoats getting lifted up, well bush,

559
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: lot of blushing.

560
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, women smelling like lab let's.

561
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Bring back petticoats in the word scruples. I think that's

562
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: our take from today. I think if I start using

563
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: scruples in court. Actually, I know one judge that would

564
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: love for me.

565
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: To use words like shoes.

566
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's always commenting on my beard. So I have

567
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: appearances before this judge.

568
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is he commenting on your face?

569
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: Every time I see him, He's like, oh, you shaved.

570
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: Like, oh you shave, Like what a refreshing change.

571
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: It's just an observations and he's it's never like good

572
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: or bad.

573
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: It's all observation.

574
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: Counselor you have a beard, And I'm like, yes, I

575
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: noticed it's on my face. Yeah. So we're very friendly

576
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: you and this judge. Yeah, but I did kind of

577
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: have to throw down the gauntlet on him a little

578
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: bit this week because it was it was today, it

579
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: was this morning.

580
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 2: Okay.

581
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: So basically in America, we've talked a little bit about

582
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: like bond proceedings and how like people are just like

583
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: languishing and bond detention centers, and basically judges are saying, like,

584
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: we don't have dhs. Trump administration are like making up

585
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: rules where it's like, oh, if you're in this type

586
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: of category and if you carry the one and if

587
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: you're wearing red on that day, you don't qualify for Bond, right,

588
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: and it's just like this weird, like back of the

589
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: Cereal box maze that they're kind of creating. But the judges,

590
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: a lot of judges are like, oh, they're just kind

591
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: of I wouldn't say blindly, but they're agreeing and saying, oh, well,

592
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't have jurisdiction to sort of rule on bond anymore.

593
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: And so what I've been trying to do is, because

594
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: I have scruples, I've been trying to get them on

595
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: the judges on the record saying that they don't have jurisdiction.

596
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: And then I'm like tucking my hair behind my ear,

597
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: tossing my hair just like nice, just like a nice

598
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: blonde boy from Long Island beard or no beer. Why

599
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: don't you have jurisdiction? I don't get it. And they're like, oh, well,

600
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: because like this rule, and I'm like, oh okay. And

601
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: then I'm like, so, if you don't have jurisdiction to

602
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: rule on Bond, I guess I'll file a rid of habeas.

603
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: I guess, like I don't. This is my first day.

604
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this control out to

605
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: lead like I'm not sure what do I do? And

606
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, like, I guess if you wanted to

607
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: file a rite of habeas in state or in federal court,

608
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: like you could do that. That is like what some

609
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: counselors doing. Meanwhile, I've read the entire practice manual on

610
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: how this works. It's written by the acl Use blasts

611
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: Ow practice manuals when they's developing case law, and so

612
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: I know exactly like what we're supposed to know. And

613
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, Judge, for that hearing that I'm going

614
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: to have in federal court, could you maybe set an

615
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: alternate bond so I could tell that Judge, if it

616
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: weren't for your jurisdiction problem, you would assign this bond amount.

617
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: But you can't because you're not going to rule because

618
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: you don't have jurisdiction. Give me like a plan B,

619
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: and does that work? Sometimes it works. So sometimes they're like, oh, yeah, sure,

620
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: if we did have jurisdiction, it would be two thousand

621
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: dollars okay. And then I go to federal court and

622
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's two thousand dollars. They said it's two thousand.

623
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: I got him on the record saying alternate bond is

624
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: two grand if he had jurisdiction, So your honor in

625
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: federal court rule in our favor that he should be

626
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: released and I can get him out for two grand

627
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: I already got him to commit to it. So that's

628
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: how like the ACLU is advising practicing immigration attorneys to

629
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: handle immigration judges who are like I don't have jurisdiction.

630
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of insider baseball. But it

631
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: is like, I'm kind of having fun. I'm kind of

632
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: enjoying it.

633
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Well because you like messing with people.

634
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love just and it's legal strategy. Like

635
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: it's not even like being a shady bitch where I'm

636
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: like manipulating people like it doing my everyday life. But

637
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: then I'm in court and I get to say it's

638
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: legal strategy. Oh that's really nice. So it's really fun to,

639
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, abide by the rules and a certain legal

640
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: strategy in the courtroom and then go back to my

641
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: life where it can be a manipulative slut and.

642
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: You do that very very well.

643
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, speaking of your algorithm is showing I feel like,

644
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, Timothy Shalomy getting canceled for the Ballet

645
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: Opera that actually they're like mopping up his mess and

646
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: someone was saying that it cost him the Oscar.

647
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: Well, okay, here's here's the thing. I saw that. But

648
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: I also think.

649
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: When you say that that cost him the Oscar, I

650
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: think it takes away from the person who actually won, right,

651
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: Like the idea.

652
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: That Timothy Chalame was never on my mind for an Oscar,

653
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: especially not for Marty Supreme.

654
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: So it's really interesting that you're saying that that has

655
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: not hit my algorithm, almost that I don't.

656
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Even know what it's about. I was at an Oscar

657
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: viewing party and my friend someone had to explain to

658
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: me what it was. It's about ping pong, okay, and

659
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I said, that's all I need to say.

660
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: Yes, seriously, that's all.

661
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I said, thank you so much. Where's the where the

662
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: where's the crew de tee? I said, please pass the

663
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: where's the boy? Thank you? The charter? What does Oprah say?

664
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I love Shark Couterie.

665
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: Do you remember that?

666
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: She's like I love But yeah, Timothy Challame, I don't

667
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: know we're getting It's I just.

668
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: I just don't care. I don't do you know what

669
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like in the like not in a way

670
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: that I hold something. I just not on my radar.

671
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: You don't hope he dies in a fire either. I'm

672
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it wasn't care. It's given his it's

673
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: given flop. It's given flop era, I think. And also

674
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I will say, Dune.

675
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: Three, how many Dunes do we need?

676
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: The Dune books don't get better as they go on,

677
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Like the first one was fierce great, third one, huh,

678
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Like it does get a little bit more wicked and wild.

679
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: So I feel like, I hope whoever the screenwriters are taking.

680
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: No they're not.

681
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I hope they're taking down that, putting their their spin

682
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: on it.

683
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: I doubt, And yeah, giving her a glow up, especially

684
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: if it's the same. What I find is that.

685
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: Many times, not every time, so calm down, but many times,

686
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: when there are like sequels of things, it just becomes

687
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: more watered down the more we get into it.

688
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: And now it's like, I'll.

689
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 4: Say this, it's what what was it that I watched? Oh,

690
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: Masterful Beasts or whatever? Yeah, I went into that full

691
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: on Harry Potter person really excited about it.

692
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: I watched it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know that I

693
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: needed it. And I'll go even further with the play.

694
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh the play when I Harry Potter on Broadway.

695
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: So when I when I want to go see it,

696
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: it was the two day thing. But I didn't do

697
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 4: the two day. I did like the old day.

698
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: I will never get that time, then.

699
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Multiple and again.

700
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: Remember, well, no, but you know how much I love

701
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 4: those stories, right, So I wanted this to you and

702
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: I decided, you know what, I'm going to go by myself.

703
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: This is going to be a Melissa Day.

704
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: No, that Melissa Day was, Yeah.

705
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: I was deeply disappointed.

706
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so just because something is good, yeah, doesn't

707
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 4: need we.

708
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Need to like the Dune, we have to make the

709
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: fifth So the whole like ensemble cast on audiobook.

710
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: Now, oh you know what, somebody gifted me the first

711
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: one and I listened to it and I did.

712
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Not care for it, like I think. And so Timothy

713
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: Shollley to clarify his statements were that ballet and opera

714
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: are like dead, are like Irrelevanteah, that was like sort

715
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: of what he said. And then he said, oh, I

716
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: guess I just lost one percent of my followers or something.

717
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: So cavalier and Matthew McConaughey's face.

718
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's the clip that I saw when

719
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: he's looking at him and he's just like.

720
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Oh shit, this guy's really Oh just let him dig

721
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: his Yeah, I'm just going to see He's like, I'm

722
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: going to be polytrates now, Matthew McConaughey and June four,

723
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: because Timothy's contract is about to get going at least well,

724
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: because now not only have you a fan did like

725
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: a community of people, you offended a community of people

726
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: known for being fucking dramatic. So like, good luck to you, sir,

727
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: good night, and good luck on Shaw. You didn't. You

728
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: didn't offend the quiet librarian. You offended the oper thing.

729
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's known for yelling, belting out the notes and

730
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 7: who's on TikTok your toast man?

731
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just made him seem more irrelevant,

732
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like you?

733
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: This is already not somebody that I cared about, But

734
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: now I'm looking for more reasons to not like you,

735
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: because you're dumb.

736
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: Things as if you're relevant. You're saying things as if

737
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what what's Timothy's opinion on this? Well, oh

738
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: I can't. At a film festival a couple of years ago,

739
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, societal collapses in the air and

740
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: I was like, what, what are you talking about?

741
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: A scholar?

742
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Are you just anyone? What? Anyway, let's take a break.

743
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: We've got a guest coming up. Welcome back to Brief Recess.

744
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: This is under Oath. I'm so excited. I'm a huge fan.

745
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have yo Anna from an extraordinary

746
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: modeling career. She's very well known in the modeling industry.

747
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: You may know her as the winner of cycle two

748
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: of America's Next Top Model. She is right now being

749
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: featured in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. It's America's Next Top Model

750
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: e documentary that was released at the same time as

751
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary. So thank you so much for coming, Yoanna.

752
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: We're so much.

753
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael. I'm excited to talk with you and Melissa.

754
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: It's nice to meet you, yo Wanna.

755
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 4: Nice.

756
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. I thought it would just be

757
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: really interesting. I mean, this is a legal podcast, but

758
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: we cover everything everything, pop culture, news, everything that's going on.

759
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: And I'm love being on social media, so we have

760
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: so many things that come up on my feed, and

761
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: you were definitely one of them. I mean, like the

762
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: things that are going on right now as there is

763
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: this like reckoning moment in America for the history of

764
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model and really reality television in the

765
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: two thousands, right in thers. So I thought it would

766
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: be so cool to have you and welcome you to

767
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: the show, and we really just want to like talk

768
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: to you and get to know you and hear about

769
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: your experiences. I want to ask, I think it would

770
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: be best if we start before you were on Archan Sextus, sure,

771
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: because you had a long, incredible modeling career and it

772
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like it began with Tyra Banks.

773
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's true. I think there's a little bit

774
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: of a misconception that I identified all of my modeling career

775
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: from being on the show. But no, I actually I

776
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: had lost a significant amount of weight because I did

777
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: want to break into modeling. I was at University of

778
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: studying International Relations and I had a chance to kind

779
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: of test do testing in Miami with a few agencies,

780
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: and I got discovered by Ford Models and they had

781
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: given me, Yeah, they'd given me a contract, but prior

782
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: to that, during the week that I got the contract,

783
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: I got the call to audition for the show. So

784
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: I hadn't signed it yet and I remember telling Michelle Mack,

785
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: who was the casting director, Hey, I have this model,

786
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: and she was very like, take it or leave it.

787
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: If you want to come on the show, great, but

788
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: you can't. You know, I can't tell you what to do,

789
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: but we don't accept models that have signed contracts to

790
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: come on this show. So I did the audition and

791
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: that was a very thorough long process, and I decided, well,

792
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, at least if I try out, I'll have

793
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 3: a broader reach. I also thought there'd be some sort

794
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: of mentorship and great experience and kind of like somewhat

795
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: of a boot camp. And I thought, well, I can

796
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: come home to at least a contract waiting for me

797
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: with four models.

798
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: What was that like then? So you went on America's

799
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: ex Hum Model. You won. Spoiler alert it was not

800
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: it was a while ago, so no spoilers here. You

801
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: won your season. What was that journey like? Do you

802
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: feel like after America's sex Hum Model, this was that

803
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: was the right sort of path to take. Did you

804
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 1: have this moment where you were.

805
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: Like, oh, I was thinking, like I was wondering in hindsight,

806
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: if you had to do it all over again. Is

807
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: there any part of you that wishes that maybe you

808
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: had gone ahead and stayed with Ford, or do you

809
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: feel like you know you were at the right moment

810
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: at the right time, and being on America's Next Top

811
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: Model was a good thing for you to do.

812
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: I think it's hard for me to even answer that

813
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: because I come from Jacksonville, which is kind of a

814
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: small town but a big city, and I was really sheltered,

815
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: and so I feel like my ultimate goal was to

816
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: live in New York City and to work as a

817
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: fashion model. And I think, you know, I might have

818
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: stayed in the Florida market and gradually progressed, But in hindsight,

819
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: I think the one takeaway from the whole experience, I'm

820
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: not I don't deal well with Celebritism, and I find

821
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: because it opens the door to a lot of coolness,

822
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: and it's very hard for me to even kind of

823
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: take a risk to at the time that I was

824
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: getting offers to go back on reality TV, and I

825
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: really just was adamant about staying the course and being

826
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: a fashion model and also growing in television, and that's

827
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: really where my I guess you could say I was

828
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 3: able to break out of the debt that incurred after

829
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: the show. I wasn't expecting a lot after the win,

830
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: what was going to happen or what was going to

831
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: have to be on my shoulders, And it really was

832
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: eye opening and it kind of had to navigate how

833
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: to be a business woman.

834
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: And so after you won the show, walk us through

835
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: what that experience was like. Right, there were certain promises

836
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: we're hearing all over the internet, We're seeing all over

837
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: these documentaries that really what was billed as Tyra was

838
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: going to be your mentor you were going to get

839
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: these modeling contracts, you were going to get signed by

840
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: these agencies. This was your career was pretty much guaranteed. Right,

841
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: We're really learning now that that is not necessarily what

842
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: the takeaway was, or at least that promise not necessarily

843
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: that that all of that was promised that you were

844
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: going to be a superstar if you won this show.

845
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: But they weren't also dispelling that rumor or letting the

846
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: girls know like, hey, yeah, it's really going to be

847
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: up to you your celebrity, how famous you are, how

848
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: far you make it in the modeling industry, that's really

849
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: going to be up to you, and whether you're an entrepreneur.

850
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think that discussion hadn't even happened. I

851
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: just remember coming off the show You Go the Way.

852
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: For six months, I was still nannying. I saved up

853
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: all of my money, and I knew I was going

854
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: to have to eventually move to New York. I didn't

855
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: know the day they announced me that I had to

856
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: live in New York. So we've been navigating where I

857
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: was going to live. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And on

858
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: that same day, you know, getting established with an agency

859
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: that you know, that was the contract I won. It

860
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: was only for one year, but I stayed for several years,

861
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: and it really was just a right to work. But

862
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 3: where they're empty promises a thousand percent, there was you're

863
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: going to be doing this, You're going to be doing that.

864
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: So in my mind I kept building up, Oh great,

865
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: now I'm going to be self sufficient and I can

866
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: take care of myself. They're going to be introducing me

867
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: to this client and to that client, and they have

868
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: a lot of pull because of their record. You know,

869
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to throw names out there, but you know,

870
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 3: certain people are very recognized, and I thought, Okay, they're

871
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: gonna want to They're gonna want to introduce me I'm

872
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: gonna make introductions and I'm gonna work hard to prove

873
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: myself after this and ended up being where I just

874
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: felt it was more about being a jockey, uh for

875
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 3: the franchise and having to constantly do appearance after appearance

876
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: after appearance after appearance, and I was getting billed for

877
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: all those appearances in regards to hair, makeup, car services

878
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: if there was a flight or a delay, and I

879
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: was I was shocked. I was shocked that, you know,

880
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: maybe being so naive and trusting that I thought it

881
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: would have gotten taken care of by the network, but no,

882
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: it was all on me. And that was separate from

883
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: what was the debt incurring with the agency because I

884
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: had to rebuild my whole portfolio. They couldn't use any

885
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: of the images from the show, and so I had to.

886
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: Interest you because it's all owned by the network.

887
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: It's all yeah, I mean, and I think it doesn't

888
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: really sell a model because you have to be so

889
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: toned down. So that day when I signed, I went

890
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: directly to go shoot with some of the world's greatest

891
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: photographers and I was having to incur which the testing

892
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: fees I and and that would be the branding for

893
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: the agency. So that was that was a whole separate

894
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: debt that I was incurring. And then I was having

895
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: to figure out how I was going to maintain living

896
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: in New York while doing all of this. And a

897
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: big part of the shock to me was with all

898
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: the appearances, I did have work coming in, but I

899
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to take some of the jobs because I

900
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: was indebted to the franchise and they got seniority over

901
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: me being able to work.

902
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a lot of crazy.

903
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

904
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: So just for people who are listening and maybe don't understand,

905
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: so you had signed this contract to be on this show.

906
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: It sounds like all these terms were in that contract.

907
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: You're going to do all these appearances. It's going to

908
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: be at your own expense. We get first right over

909
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 1: a few usual for any if you book a gig

910
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: and we have you booked at that same time, they

911
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: could kill a deal that you got in market because

912
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: you already signed that contract.

913
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 3: I had two great deals that were like in the works,

914
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: and they were like, I'm sorry, but you have to

915
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: go up here. And then I started becoming really angry

916
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: because I thought, Okay, first of all, how am I

917
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: going to be able to afford to maintain the title

918
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: of America's next top model when I'm not even able

919
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: to take some of the jobs that they're are.

920
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: I can't even just take work that any model it

921
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: could could get a gig.

922
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: So, you know, so after you win, is that when

923
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: you sign a contract for the year that's ahead of

924
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: you and did you get an opportunity to show that

925
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: contract to anybody else or did you? And you know,

926
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: and being young and naive or whatever, you just would

927
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: have signed it thinking that I should trust these people.

928
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: I have a fun we have a funny thing. Because

929
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: you're an attorney, Michael, I think anytime you're like I'm

930
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: going to get an attorney to look at this well

931
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: to do that, you're around grateful and you don't want

932
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 3: this job and write. So it was very like, oh crap,

933
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: Like okay, so I remember, I remember signing onto the

934
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: show and if you want, and the fine print was there. However,

935
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: I do not recall anything in regards to appearances or

936
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: how many and I'm not talking three, four, five, six, seven, eight, No,

937
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: it was like getting into the dozens, and you know,

938
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 3: also going on onto the show, doing all these red

939
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: carpet events, doing charity events, doing step and repeats for

940
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: the network. It was like, I mean, in hindsight, it

941
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: was just so many and then you know, and I'll

942
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: be honest, it was overwhelming. I didn't have the clothes

943
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: to support the appearances. I didn't have the budget to

944
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: do that, and a lot of the fashion houses did

945
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: not want to lend to a winner of America's Next

946
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: Top Model.

947
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Sure, why do you think that was because you were

948
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: on an earlier season the sort of campiness of the

949
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: show hadn't They really leaned hard into the insanity, right.

950
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: I think at one point we have images of the models,

951
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: the contestants walking down a runway where there's like a

952
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: clock pendulum swinging like knocked and girls off the runway. Yeah,

953
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: there was like a runway challenge where they're on a

954
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: treadmill and aid and chiels, like they really got truly

955
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: insane camp with it.

956
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: There was another runway that I remember where it was on.

957
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: Water and the models had some sort of the steps

958
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: were on water, but they were like wobbling and these

959
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 4: girls were in high heels and they're trying to and what.

960
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: I remember it was fear factor pretty much.

961
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: But I just remember looking at that and feeling like

962
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: and you know, and Tyra and all the others were

963
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: like laughing and giggling, and you know, it felt very mean,

964
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: like mean girl to me.

965
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Well, I think they practiced for the wildlong West of

966
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: the Internet, didn't they.

967
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Yes, they did, yet they did, and I signed up.

968
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like grateful for you know, what I

969
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: took away from, which is navigating not giving so much

970
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: energy and response of a negative confrontation. But you know,

971
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: it also made me stronger in regards to the business side.

972
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, it started becoming where it was they were

973
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: definitely humiliating the girls and I didn't watch it after

974
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: my season because of that. That was my main reason.

975
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: I didn't want to see girls being humiliated. And I

976
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: thought that as the seasons went on, the more of

977
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: the shoots were becoming more and more outlandish and ridiculous,

978
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: and they didn't really translate into the fashion arena. So

979
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of just felt a little bit

980
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: jaded for what they were doing to the rest of

981
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: the contestants and the hopeful I think the thing with

982
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: people don't understand I wanted the right to work, and

983
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: a lot of these girls on and we're so naive

984
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: and we're so trusting that we're like, Okay, this is

985
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: going to be this is really going to help us

986
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: have a farther reach. We're going to have more opportunities,

987
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to be self sufficient. And it

988
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: just you know, I came at a cost.

989
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: So you won your season, you had this experience. You've

990
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: really managed to build an incredible career after winning your season.

991
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: It sounds like against all odds.

992
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: Oh the odds were well. Also, when I won, there

993
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: was no social media, so there was no fact checking

994
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: to know what I had been doing.

995
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no way for people to be like, oh,

996
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: look she's at this event, or oh that's the fiftieth

997
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: tharity event. Yeah, in the same dress.

998
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: I know, kind of great, but no, Yeah, one of

999
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: the I did do a lot of fashion modeling during

1000
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: that time in New York, and I traveled worldwide. I

1001
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: had a cosmetic campaigns, I did a lot of fashion

1002
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: commentating and reporting, and I had my own Shawnee Networks,

1003
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: and I had multiple specials with the Lore magazine. I

1004
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: did a Vogue Beauty TV. I mean, the list was

1005
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: really insane as far as broadcasting, and it was at

1006
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 3: a time when I think the only other model at

1007
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: the agency was Heidi Klum who was getting into television.

1008
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: So they really did in me and doing that. And

1009
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: then when I had left New York I had my son.

1010
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: I did so much modeling much more when I moved

1011
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: to Florida, because I guess the market for what I

1012
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: who I was expanded, and it was and it was

1013
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: amazing because I did catalogs, I booked QVC at home

1014
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 3: shopping network opportunities. I had at least thirty covers within

1015
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: the first two years. When I moved back, I did

1016
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: like campaign for Waldorf Astoria, like a bunch of hotels,

1017
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: a lot of luxury. So when people say you should

1018
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: have hustled, you should have had a career, honey, out

1019
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 3: was working my ass.

1020
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: Sure, you were, of course, certain and hard.

1021
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: You want to let me ask you a question before,

1022
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: before you were on America's Next Top Model and you

1023
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: had signed with Ford, when you imagined yourself being a model,

1024
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 4: what did that look like to you?

1025
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question because in the time

1026
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: growing up, we were in the nineties, so that whole

1027
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: era of like chic and photography and the quality of

1028
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: fashion as far As was so fascinating to me, and

1029
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: I think putting forth the effort of like really wanting

1030
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: to belong and having that fashion background, I think ideally

1031
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: at that age, I just wanted to break away from

1032
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: the intensity of studying international relations and have a little

1033
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: bit of fantasy. And I loved being behind the camera.

1034
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: I loved I love, I love not being controlled by

1035
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 3: a schedule. So I felt like being able to travel,

1036
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: having working around artists, working around creatives is something I've

1037
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: always enjoyed. I'm very free spirited, so I like someone

1038
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: picking up the phone, a manager or a booker saying, hey,

1039
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: you're booked on this, you got to lead tomorrow. That

1040
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: to me is what makes me feel exciting about life.

1041
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: So I think I think that was it. And I

1042
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: also think I looked up to the top models like

1043
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: Stephanie Seymour to me was like who I wanted to become,

1044
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: but my my own version, you know. And Doris Yeah,

1045
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: so yeah, So it was really taken back and I

1046
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: just I fell in love with the whole ideal of

1047
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: just like being a part of that group.

1048
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: So after America's Next Top Model, were you paid as

1049
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: the winner? Was there a prize? Money or what was

1050
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: that like?

1051
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, oh on is laughing.

1052
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, I went in the.

1053
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: Red, I went in the deficit, I went in debt,

1054
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: and I broke out of the debt and here I

1055
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 3: am today.

1056
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Congratulations, that's amazing. Yeah, okay, So walk me

1057
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: through these documentaries. What is sort of happening right now

1058
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: from your perspective, because we're seeing the clips, they're sort

1059
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: of like dueling documentaries. We're seeing the clips. It seems

1060
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: like Tyra and her team wanted to preempt the current

1061
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: one on E by dropping a documentary on Netflix from

1062
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: Tyra's point of view, and I mean, this has been

1063
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: memed to death, sure, but there are so many images

1064
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: of Hyro and not taking accountability, putting the blame on

1065
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: other people, showing that she was just really complicit with

1066
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: what was happening to the girls and that you know,

1067
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: what was being sold to them was a faulty bill

1068
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: of goods. Right. So then we have the documentary that

1069
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: dropped that you are a part of with E. Tell

1070
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: us about it, walk us through it. How is it

1071
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: different from the Netflix one? What is going on? Like

1072
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: it really is dominating the news cycles. People don't know

1073
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: people are people are getting really heated about it.

1074
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 4: Sure, And what was so by participating what was your

1075
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: goal right by being in this because documentary being this documentary,

1076
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: because you've gone on to have, like you said, this

1077
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: really wonderful, illustrious career, and this is a long time ago,

1078
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: and you had said that, you know, one of the

1079
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: things that you didn't really love was like that celebrity

1080
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 4: that celebrity myth And so I'm wondering what the goal

1081
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: was by participate painting in this doc.

1082
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that's a great question. So I knew about

1083
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: both of the docs simultaneously at the same time, and

1084
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: I was approached by Glass Entertainment Group and that's the

1085
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 3: one that did the e Doctor. Officially it was going

1086
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: to be on a separate network streaming platform, but I

1087
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: think because the two had separated. However, whatever happened and

1088
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: I did and I did know about Netflix. They had

1089
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 3: I essentially they said it's best you couldn't do both

1090
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: at the same time, even though some of a couple

1091
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: of the girls did. But I heard initially that Tyra

1092
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: had not signed on to do the Netflix, that they

1093
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: had reached out to her and she had heard about

1094
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: the documentaries and her team, they said they couldn't get

1095
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: a clear answer, so I guess eventually she committed to

1096
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: the Netflix, and I do believe from seeing it, I

1097
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: think it was on the premise of hopefully getting people

1098
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: to tune into cycle twenty five. I think that was

1099
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 3: the goal. And I feel that one of the main

1100
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: reasons that I came out to talk about my experience

1101
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: was because this show has been packaged and sold worldwide

1102
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: over one hundred and fifty countries. The same practices are

1103
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: still happening, the same production, the same sort of exploitativeness

1104
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: of what's going on, and at a certain point, I'm

1105
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: a mom now I have a teenage son, but like

1106
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: I wanted to also come out and protect hopeful, naive

1107
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: young people who are thinking this is going to be

1108
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: the solution to their dreams and their goals and hopes,

1109
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: and I just wanted them to know, like, hey, the

1110
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: ones in charge are making the money. And I think

1111
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: it was an opportunity to come out. And also I

1112
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: couldn't talk about what I was dealing with twenty years

1113
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 3: ago because I wasn't ready to deal with it. I

1114
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: had a severe exercise disorder after winning the show I

1115
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: became so tiny to the point where you know, it

1116
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: complicated a lot of things in my health, and I

1117
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: felt like that was also something I wanted to come

1118
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: out and share and be very vulnerable and help a

1119
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: young lady or a daughter or a mother who is

1120
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: dealing with the same because it's not a topic that

1121
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: really gets discussed, especially in fashion. It's a lot of

1122
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: it is behind closed doors, but they do not want

1123
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: to come to surface, and so I thought it was

1124
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: an opportunity to also kind of set a lot of

1125
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: people that are struggling with the same things that I was. Free.

1126
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so take us through this documentary, tell us a

1127
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: little bit about it, what you talk about, let people

1128
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: know what is going on in there.

1129
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this particular doc I think they had brought

1130
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: a couple of the winners. I do think there's a

1131
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: lot of cultural critics, which is good. I do think

1132
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: they gave a lot of perspective of the era when

1133
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: I was on the show and kind of what their

1134
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: interpretation of Tyra is, which I thought was very harsh,

1135
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: especially if they don't really know her that way. I

1136
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: think it's all just assumption. And I think it was

1137
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: also interesting for me from the Netflix stock hearing other

1138
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: contestants and other winners and their stories and what they

1139
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: had gone through, and I think a lot of people

1140
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: vacillate with how positive it was and how negative it was.

1141
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: It's almost like we were in a cult. So yeah,

1142
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: so I feel like sometimes they go back to kind

1143
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: of apologize to the main you know, the main cult leader,

1144
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: and then they go back and they said no, but

1145
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: really it wasn't that.

1146
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1147
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: It's a very strange dynamic seeing the contestants and then

1148
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: them kind of shying away from their truth and then well.

1149
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: It's also like you also said that, like you went

1150
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: into debt just afterwards, it would in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay,

1151
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: if I won that show and I went into a

1152
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: bunch of debt and then there was an opportunity to

1153
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of kiss the ring, maybe get a deal, maybe

1154
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: get a contract, Like it makes sense why people are

1155
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: maybe sucking up to trying to get some of their

1156
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: own thing going with the network. Like I understand it, right,

1157
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: the a lot of these women have been put into

1158
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: a position of vulnerability just by virtue of being on

1159
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: that show. People don't want to work with them maybe

1160
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: or they're already kind of you know, we're part of

1161
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: reality TV. I think it's it's interesting culturally to watch

1162
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: what's happening, right, I mean, and many of the girls

1163
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: came from a place of poverty before the show, right,

1164
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: and they went on TV, got all this attention and

1165
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: were lowered back into their community without any support systems.

1166
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: Sure, and I think a big part I felt a

1167
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: lot of shame with the debt, partly because you know,

1168
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: my father was a physician in my hometown and my

1169
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: mother and they had their practice. I didn't want the

1170
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: stigma of like having a daughter who you know, they

1171
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: were so proud of, and you know, being in the

1172
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 3: small town and the way people talk, you know, and

1173
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: coming back with a tale between my leg I mean,

1174
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to work the hell out

1175
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 3: of this debt. And I did because I wanted. I

1176
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: want to let my parents down if they wanted me

1177
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: to come home. They my mother had had enough of

1178
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: the whole setup. She said, they're taking advantage of you.

1179
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous. I don't like what they're doing with

1180
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: you. You know, you don't see it, but we see it

1181
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: as your parents, you know, come home.

1182
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 2: They do know, Mom, Yeah.

1183
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: And she kept saying come home, and she goes, we

1184
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: know you're not telling us what you're really going through,

1185
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: and I wasn't. I was hiding it because I and

1186
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to stay in the game, and I also

1187
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to work, and I was so proud of

1188
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: the agency I was with that I just decided, you

1189
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: know what, YO wanna this is going to be a lesson.

1190
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: You're going to take this as a lesson. You're going

1191
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 3: to navigate it, and you're going to do the best

1192
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: you can. But I do think it derailed a little

1193
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: bit of my mental health, and that's why I think

1194
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: it was so hard on myself with my body image

1195
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: for sure, of.

1196
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: Course, I mean sure, because here you were in front

1197
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 4: of people who are supposed to know more than you,

1198
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 4: right because they've been in this business, and instead of

1199
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 4: it sounds to me, instead of building you up, they

1200
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: were sort of building you up to bring you down somehow, right,

1201
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: because if you were the ideas, I'm going to be

1202
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: this model, but they're not giving you the opportunity to work.

1203
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 4: It's almost like you were this indentured servant, you know

1204
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like you were having to do all

1205
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 4: these things, but you couldn't, you know, make your career

1206
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 4: go forward in the way that you wanted to At

1207
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: the time, I did want to ask you a question.

1208
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: Sure, have you.

1209
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: Seen Tyra Banks in recent times?

1210
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: And if you did, what was that like?

1211
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 4: And if you haven't seen her, what would you like

1212
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 4: her to know about you or what would you like

1213
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 4: to say to her?

1214
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: Have you seen her since you won?

1215
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I saw her a bunch since I won.

1216
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm very different in the sense that, gosh, how do

1217
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: I say this? She travels with the team, and I

1218
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: get very uncomfortable with people who have entourages. It's something

1219
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: that I've had to work through with I know I

1220
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: had to sign an NDA, so I can't say who.

1221
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: But that's something for me I find very uncomfortable to

1222
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: be around. And you know, I did get invited to

1223
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: go on her talk show several times, and you know

1224
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: I was paid then to go on to But you know,

1225
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: I just take it for what it is. And I

1226
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: think a big part of it is she's not my buddy.

1227
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: She's not someone I'm going to pick up the phone

1228
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: and you know, talk about what we're making for dinner tonight.

1229
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm not really in awe of her, I think the

1230
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: way a lot of people are. I have other people

1231
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 3: that I look up to, and I think, of course

1232
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: for her, it's just, you know, she's an extension of

1233
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: a part of my life. Who knows, maybe if I'm

1234
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: down in the land down Under, if I see her,

1235
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: I'll say hello, But you know, I don't know what.

1236
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So you went through this whole experience. You now

1237
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: there are these documentaries. What as you reflect on this

1238
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: part of your life, what is your takeaway?

1239
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: Like?

1240
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: What are you sort of saying to yourself and to

1241
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: people who are maybe watching these documentaries formulating their own opinions,

1242
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: like what do you want them to know?

1243
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: I think we've done a good job just spelling kind

1244
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: of the myth of what it is to be the

1245
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 3: winner and what really happened, and just the economics of

1246
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: what goes in. I mean, I can't really assume what

1247
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: people are going to walk away with because I feel

1248
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: like if I try to get into their heads, and

1249
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: I did do that. After the doc I was like,

1250
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to fight these people online and I'm going

1251
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: to and then I thought, you, but I'm going to

1252
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: turn into into them. I want to, Yeah, and I'm

1253
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: like you're like.

1254
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh, so then I.

1255
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: Come to you on TikTok and I laugh and I'm like,

1256
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: I don't you know. I felt like I stopped replying

1257
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 3: because it just became where you would see so much

1258
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: positive and then it would be people just attacking and

1259
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: going for it, and I'm like, where's all this emotion

1260
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: coming from. But I will say there is a rumor

1261
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 3: that there is PR crisis in the mix.

1262
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would be shocked if there weren't PR.

1263
01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: So sometimes I.

1264
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: Look at a comment, I'm like, who is this bot?

1265
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: What is bot?

1266
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: What you bought?

1267
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: Was this?

1268
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: You know?

1269
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean because like you said, like the house always wins, right,

1270
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: and this is one hundred and fifty country franchise. This

1271
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: isn't just Tyra. This is a machine, right that we're

1272
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: talking about. So I mean, there's there are people freaking

1273
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: out in a conference room somewhere as we speak. I'm sure, of.

1274
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: Course, of course.

1275
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that the idea was to sort

1276
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 4: of try and explain away what had happened on the show.

1277
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: But now here is this other documentary that is giving

1278
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 4: what happened on the show from the perspective of the

1279
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 4: people who were in the trenches.

1280
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: Right, And I like what you've done. Honestly, I've been

1281
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: watching how you've handled these interviews and how you approach it.

1282
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people are, like you said, giving their

1283
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: opinions and judgments of the situation. You have always been

1284
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: really matter of fact of just the facts. You're like,

1285
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: this is what happened. Here are the words. What you

1286
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: do with it is up to you, which I appreciate

1287
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: because there are there's a lot of opinions hopping in

1288
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: the cop oh gosh, and.

1289
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 3: They're so emotional, I feel, And I wanted to come

1290
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: from a very calm, matter of fact place, and I

1291
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: think that's why it was one of the main voices

1292
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: that Glass Entertainment said. And I said, do I come

1293
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: across complaining? And I said, no, You're just very matter

1294
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: of fact. I said, I just wanted to be matter

1295
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 3: of fact. I just wanted to cut through the fantasy

1296
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: and give the audience. I mean, the title is America, right,

1297
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 3: so don't they have a right to know what really

1298
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 3: happens after you come off of a show like that?

1299
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 4: Like?

1300
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: And I think a big part of the aggression, I

1301
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: think is because they I think when you disclose or

1302
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 3: you share something that is uncomfortable from what they believed

1303
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: in their mind, or what they thought what they witnessed

1304
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: watching on TV, or their perception of what they think

1305
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 3: the fashion industry is really like. And a lot of

1306
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: these people comment and haven't ever even experienced the business

1307
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: of being a fashion I feel that really is what

1308
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: triggers them, because they don't want to look foolish. They

1309
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 3: don't want to be like, oh, you're making me look stupid.

1310
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 3: I have this belief in my mind of how it

1311
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 3: was supposed to be, and now you're putting the little

1312
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: pin in that balloon. And that's that's what I take

1313
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 3: away from everything.

1314
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Well, is there anything that you're working

1315
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: on right now you would like the listeners to know about.

1316
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: I think they can check out the documentary if they

1317
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: haven't already anything else you want people to pay attention

1318
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: to it as we're working.

1319
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: Well, I'm still I do. I do a lot of

1320
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: traveling workshops and I'm also affiliate now TikTok so I

1321
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 3: I'm with the Russell Hartley team. So amazing learning the

1322
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: whole world of TikTok. I know you're you're far more

1323
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: advanced than I am.

1324
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: So Michael is prolific and TikTok.

1325
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1326
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing because you just do it so

1327
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: organically and I really in my head and you're like, oh,

1328
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: I love listening to you.

1329
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're very People asked me that a lot.

1330
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: They're like, how do you have time to like curate

1331
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: your tiktoks? And I'm like, honey, I'm not curating it.

1332
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: It is filmed in the bathroom, like it is like

1333
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm running out a corner, I'm doing this and doing that,

1334
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: and I really am just so switching on the camera.

1335
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: So thank you. That's the kind of you.

1336
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you choose immigration law?

1337
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: It really chose me. I mean I've been practicing. I

1338
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: practiced criminal law. I've been at law firms before, but

1339
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: once I kind of got one client and then it

1340
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: really snowballed from there and there really is a huge

1341
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: demand for immigration law for lawyers who know how to

1342
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: do that work. So once you kind of specialized and

1343
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: kind of get to know it, it gets I love it.

1344
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: You just get really busy really quickly, and next thing

1345
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're not working on those contracts or real

1346
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: estate deals anymore.

1347
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 2: I will tell you that.

1348
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 4: I remember when Michael started doing immigration law and we

1349
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 4: remember he was like, he's like, you know, I feel

1350
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 4: like I need to do something to help somebody. I

1351
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 4: was like, go ahead and do that, and I remember

1352
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 4: him telling about it, and you know, I think one

1353
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 4: of the things about Michael is like he comes. Somebody

1354
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 4: was asking me about this. Is he really that way

1355
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 4: all the time? The way that you see him on TikTok?

1356
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, yes, but Michael is very thoughtful

1357
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: and he he does really think about what can he

1358
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 4: do to help somebody do something. So it's been as

1359
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 4: his friend, it's been really nice to sort of watch

1360
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 4: him turn into this this person over here.

1361
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: It's true.

1362
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 2: It's true.

1363
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say if it wasn't true, but like that's

1364
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 4: I think people don't know that about Michael's Like he

1365
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 4: one day was just like I need to do something

1366
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 4: to help somebody. And it's sort of like one I

1367
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 4: think it was like one case.

1368
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: It was one case. So it was that kids like,

1369
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: oh that kid y. I had a kid who was

1370
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: just like the coolest kid ever and I love him

1371
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: so much.

1372
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, and now he's almost a grown man.

1373
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that.

1374
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: No, it's great, it's wonderful.

1375
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm so glad we got to

1376
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: chat with you.

1377
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 3: I know, I hope you got the right answers.

1378
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 4: No, yeah, the right answers are whatever your truth is, Joanna.

1379
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: Do you want to give us your socials?

1380
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 7: Oh?

1381
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.

1382
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: So I'm on Instagram I'm Yomania and that's y O

1383
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: M A N I A. And then on TikTok I'm

1384
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: yo Mania I think zero two.

1385
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much for joining us.

1386
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, takod care. It's nice to meet you.

1387
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: Bye bye, take care, bye bye.

1388
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: Let's get into tails from the DMS. We've got some

1389
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: incredible dms.

1390
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible, incredible people.

1391
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: Y'all are absolutely y'all said, you know what, hold my drink.

1392
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to pop a handstand and to work in

1393
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: Michael's DMS. The things y'all are sending me, and.

1394
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: Let me just say, I love it so much. I

1395
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: was going to say, he oh my god, he's living

1396
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: for it.

1397
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm on the spin bike laughing. I'm like looking at

1398
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: the things, I'm like, you're killing me. Y'all are killing me.

1399
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: Anyway, Before we get into the DM's friends, what do

1400
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: I always say. While Michael is a lawyer, he is

1401
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 4: not your lawyer.

1402
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: Get your own.

1403
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so first of all, I just

1404
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: have to jump in really quick with this one.

1405
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: Jump in.

1406
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, I hope you see this message.

1407
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 6: Oh I saw this.

1408
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

1409
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: Guess what I saw it. I'm one of those annoying

1410
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: cancer survivors that push trauma on others. All right, we're

1411
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: really happy you survive self awareness. Yes, and also yeah,

1412
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: I really need you to get the evil spot on

1413
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: your forehead checked.

1414
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 5: Okay, that's what they say, that's what just a I

1415
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 5: know you're smart and kept it together, but it reminds

1416
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 5: me of a tiny spot of cancer I had to

1417
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 5: have removed.

1418
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: Keep being who you are. But can you get this

1419
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: looked at? Please? You going to so thank you for

1420
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: head talk, for getting in my DMS.

1421
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 2: Where is this little spot right there?

1422
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's this getting close, get it on my

1423
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 1: close because we can. We'll actually do like a right

1424
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: to left reading of my forehead like a palm because

1425
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: over here and I will do it. So this is it.

1426
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: This is a broken blood vessel that I had checked

1427
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: in January, and like this is to clear the record.

1428
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: Our doctor, our doctor, our share.

1429
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: We go to the same dermatologists. I love him so much,

1430
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: and we keep each other accountable. So like, thank you

1431
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: for messaging me this. This is a good PSA reminder.

1432
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: It's always better to have like a cancer prevention girly

1433
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: bestie where you hold each other accountable. So like I

1434
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: have a friend. He and I go to the boy

1435
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: doctor and we remind each other to just go get

1436
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: boy stuff checked. Okay, and that's all I'll say. Okay,

1437
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 1: it's boy.

1438
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 2: Part related like girl stuff.

1439
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like do you have a girlfriend where you're like, hey,

1440
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: did you get your.

1441
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm the most annoying person in my friend group,

1442
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 4: Like you got to get your boobs checked?

1443
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: You got to go to the collegist.

1444
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know what. The pap smear is named

1445
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: after doctor Papa Nicolau or no, doctor Papadopoulos. Yeah, Pa P.

1446
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: It started so they didn't want to do his whole

1447
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: name smear, so they just stood p A p.

1448
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: How do you know that this is the name He.

1449
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,839
Speaker 1: Was, I know his cousin.

1450
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah listen, and I was like his flex.

1451
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 1: It's like that was like his flex, get his uncle

1452
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: invented the pas. I was like, okay, here's anyway. So

1453
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: this is a broken blood vessel and this over here

1454
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: you might have seen last week I scratched my head

1455
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: with my bike helmet.

1456
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so so he's okay from the down, we're not sure.

1457
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 4: So we are doing reviews, which we love. Thank you

1458
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 4: so much for doing that. It actually really doesn't mean

1459
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 4: a lot to us, and we're going to read them

1460
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 4: because you guys are hysterical.

1461
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: Here's one.

1462
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 4: I kind of stumbled into listening to this podcast, but

1463
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I did. Not only is it

1464
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 4: incredibly informative in these wild times, but the host have

1465
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 4: such an amazing and comedic chemistry, like so good it

1466
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,560
Speaker 4: almost makes me want to crawl out of my introverted

1467
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 4: shell and find friends. Almost but until that moment a

1468
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 4: bravery bravery happens, it is truly enjoyable to kick back,

1469
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 4: enjoy their banter, and learn something along the way.

1470
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: Highly recommend. Thank you. That's so we appreciate that. Yeah,

1471
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 2: I like it inside personally, so I'm not mad at

1472
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: you for staying inside.

1473
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: You like it inside, okay, stay inside?

1474
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: I do like it inside. Yeah, I do you know

1475
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: that I like it inside.

1476
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm out in these streets, but I'm also in the house.

1477
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely more in the house.

1478
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, unless it's an estate sale, which else I want.

1479
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 2: You in the state sale. This weekend, I did slut.

1480
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1481
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 4: I think the reason why I like it inside is

1482
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 4: because gen X was always outside and no one gave

1483
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 4: a shit, and nobody ever knew.

1484
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: Where we were till the street lights come home, come on.

1485
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: That's when you're doing That's.

1486
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: When you have to be home. So I like it inside.

1487
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 6: Hey, Michael, Melissa, Hi, I was looking for some help

1488
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 6: because I was summoned for federal jury service. It's a

1489
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 6: twelve week case from May eleventh to July thirty first,

1490
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 6: and if I'm chosen, I'd be still questioned for the

1491
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 6: duration of the trial. Part of me is like super

1492
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 6: excited for this, and I kind of want to be

1493
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 6: chosen because this is such a cool side quest and

1494
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 6: like it'll feel like summer camp, no phones, and like

1495
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 6: I'm living for this, like courtroom drama and tea. But

1496
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,839
Speaker 6: I'm really worried about paying my rent for the duration

1497
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 6: of the time i'd be serving, especially because it's over.

1498
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: Two full months.

1499
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 6: I work two part time jobs and they don't pay

1500
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 6: for jury service time, and especially not for a case

1501
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 6: that's so long. I'm also turning twenty five and like,

1502
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 6: I only have so many hot girl summers left, and

1503
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 6: I don't want to waste a whole pride month when

1504
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 6: I'm single. Yeah, So I just want to advice on

1505
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 6: how you think I should go forward because I filled

1506
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 6: out an excuse to be dismissed and they still said

1507
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 6: I'm considered eligible. I was also curious of what you

1508
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 6: think the case may be. My friends and I thought

1509
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 6: that it could be the Rob Reiner case. But we

1510
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 6: were wondering if you had like any inside tea of

1511
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 6: what's happening in California federal courts soon.

1512
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh she's in California, I'd say, okay, okay, So I

1513
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: don't think it's the Rob Rhiner case because it's July thirty. First.

1514
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll go on trial for at least

1515
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: another year or two. Like that's way too soon, am

1516
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: I Just the first response Nick Reiner, Oh, yes, the

1517
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: Rhiner case. Yes, Oh my god. And I keep mixing

1518
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: up that name and I did it on TikTok and

1519
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: everyone in the comments was like, how dare you?

1520
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 2: Rob was the dead?

1521
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: Yes?

1522
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: Nick was the Sun is the sun?

1523
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: And truly how darem? Yes? I should have victims' names

1524
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: right Anyway, I think that's too soon. I love how

1525
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: mess you are though, and it really makes my hurt

1526
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: saying that, like you are someone who's fallen this show

1527
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: and listening and sending in your message because you sound adorable.

1528
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited fan of the pod. The the

1529
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: fact that you're thinking about the number of hawk Girl

1530
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: summers you've got left that is dedication to the whole life.

1531
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you because the hawt Girl summers,

1532
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: you only got so many, and it's what you do

1533
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: with them that can.

1534
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 4: I don't know that hot Girl summer means that she's

1535
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 4: dedicated to whnus.

1536
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: I think that.

1537
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 4: It's so easy and we're not shaming anybody, but hot

1538
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 4: girl is not equal.

1539
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. You could do like a hawk Girl

1540
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: in like a bonnet or a or a.

1541
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 2: Habit hat girl is like Some might say mind.

1542
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: Some might say Whoopy Goldberg and the Sister Act and

1543
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: Sister Act two back in the Habit that was a

1544
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: her Hawk Girl summer.

1545
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: Maybe so you never know where is that.

1546
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: If you are in the sisterhood, you can just let

1547
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: us know in the comments. But I do want to

1548
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about federal jury service because you

1549
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: don't get paid, okay, you get paid fifty dollars a day.

1550
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 4: Okay, And let me just say as like I have

1551
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 4: my stepdaughter as your age and as feeling like I'm

1552
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 4: going to be your bonus mom as well. You already

1553
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 4: said that you're working two part jobs, two part time jobs,

1554
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 4: which I think is sort of what you need to

1555
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 4: do in order to keep yourself alive. I don't know

1556
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 4: that your desire for messiness is sort of the way

1557
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 4: to go this time around. Yeah, I think that once

1558
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 4: a messy girl, deep down, always a messy girl. There

1559
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 4: will be time in the future when you are establishing

1560
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 4: your career where you can afford to be off for

1561
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 4: twelve months.

1562
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: For sure, it won't be fun. You're going to get

1563
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: called to jury duty a bunch in your life, and

1564
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: the cases are I mean, if you're going to trial,

1565
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: it's usually because there's like a real critical issue that

1566
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: needs to get litigated. Ninety something percent a case is settle.

1567
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: So the fact that you're going to get called and

1568
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: eventually serve on a jury. It's almost always going to

1569
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: be messy, Tea. You'll write that, tell all, and just

1570
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: wait until you've got a stable gig and you can

1571
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: be a salaried employee who takes a week off for

1572
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: jury duty and they cover your ass.

1573
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1574
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1575
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: The only other thing I want to say about jury

1576
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: duty is just because you qualify for jury duty and

1577
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: they're telling you you're qualifying, doesn't mean you're seated on

1578
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: a jury. You got about five more steps before that happens.

1579
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: So you got to go the case actually has to

1580
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 1: go to trial. You got to sit there and wait,

1581
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: they have to interview you. They've got it, they've got

1582
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: peremptory strikes. There's so many things that happen where you

1583
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: can explain and articulate. You're working two part time jobs.

1584
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: You cannot be sequestered for twelve weeks. You're going to

1585
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,440
Speaker 1: be on skid row on the breadline. Yeah, so you'll

1586
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to tell a judge and tell the

1587
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: lawyers and hopefully likely get out of jury duty.

1588
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1589
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 4: Truly doesn't sound like you can afford to do this

1590
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 4: right now. And as far as things being like messy

1591
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 4: and fun. I was on a federal jury duty once

1592
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,839
Speaker 4: and it wasn't fun at all and it was actually

1593
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 4: really boring.

1594
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: Oh I got called for one and it was a

1595
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: building bricks for flying every were killing people.

1596
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: No, this is the one that I got in. Was

1597
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: just like this guy tried to rob a.

1598
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 4: Parking garage and he took the attendant and he put

1599
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 4: the attendant in the trunk of the car that he

1600
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 4: stole and drove him across state lines.

1601
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 2: And that's why it was.

1602
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: Federal Melissa, that is so interesting.

1603
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't I mean, it wasn't it. I mean it wasn't. No,

1604
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

1605
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: You were like some guy got a free Uber, right, No,

1606
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was.

1607
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: It was.

1608
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: It was.

1609
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 2: It was the nine days before Uber. But it just

1610
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: took forever, and I remember thinking, I really thought it

1611
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 2: was gonna be more exciting, like.

1612
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 7: That's so then that was because it was your hot

1613
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 7: girl summer you were missing out on to deal with

1614
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 7: this guy's trial.

1615
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 3: I know.

1616
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much for writing them. Please keep sending.

1617
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: You truly bring me so much joy and entertainment throughout

1618
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: my day. When I take a little, a little brief

1619
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: recess from court and read your damn so thank you

1620
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: so much. This is Brief Recess. We'll see you next

1621
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: week or in court.

1622
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: You won't see me in court.

1623
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: Unless she's on your jury.

1624
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: You don't want that.

1625
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: This has been an Exactly Right production recorded at iHeart Studios,

1626
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: hosted by Me, Michael Foot.

1627
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: And Me Melissa Albranch. Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.

1628
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.

1629
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 4: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain and our guest booker

1630
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 4: is Patriakottner.

1631
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Tom Brifogel with artwork

1632
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue Manessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.

1633
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 4: Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart

1634
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 4: Stark and Danielle Kramer.

1635
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy

1636
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: Department or on TikTok at Michael Foot and.

1637
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 4: I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as Melissa Albranch.

1638
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: Got legal questions, reach out at Brief Recess at exactlyrightmedia

1639
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: dot com. Listen to Brief Recess on the iHeartRadio app.

1640
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and of

1641
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: course we're a podcast with video. Search for Brief Recess

1642
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: on YouTube