WEBVTT - Harvey Weinstein Trial Is a #MeToo Reckoning 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.000 This is Bloomberg Law with June Grassoe from Bloomberg Radio. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.319 The Harvey Weinstein trial is almost the definition of a 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.879 high profile trial. A former powerful Hollywood producer on trial 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.239 on charges of rape and sexual assault after more than 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.119 eighty women, including Hollywood actors, have publicly accused him of 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.439 sexual misconduct, kicking off the worldwide Me Too movement and 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.080 all that it generated. Weinstein arrived at the Lower Manhattan 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.200 Court House on Monday morning, surrounded by his lawyers and 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.879 a security team, and met by scores of photographers and 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.360 television cameras and about twenty women, including the actors Rosanna 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.839 Arquette and Rose McGowan, who both say they were abused 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.600 by Weinstein. As one of the silence bakers, I stand 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.960 in solidarity with the brave survivors who will take the 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.800 stand against Harvey Weinstein in this trial. I thank those 0:00:55.880 --> 0:01:00.960 testifying for standing not just for themselves, but for all 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.720 of us who will never have even one day in courts. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.680 Joining me as former federal prosecutor Laurie Levinson, a professor 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.920 at Loyola Law School, the scope of this trial encompasses 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.520 so much more than the allegations. Explain how that affects 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.360 what happens inside the courtroom. Well, the first question is 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.000 how it might affect the jurors who sit on this case. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.959 A lot has changed since the beginning of the Harvey 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.959 Weinstein case, and I think people are much more alert 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.360 and much more sensitive to these issues, and that makes 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.240 it more likely that the accusers will be believed in 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.039 the courtroom, or even that the jurors might have some 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.640 type of agenda of convicting Harvey weinsteemed to send a 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.840 message the jurors are going to be hearing a very 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.640 narrow case, the charges resting largely on the testimony of 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.800 the two women Weinstein's charged with assaulting in two thousand 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.360 and six. But the judge is allowing the prosecution to 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.760 call other women, so called prior bad act witnesses, to 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:06.960 testify about how Weinstein allegedly assaulted them. Could that be 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.480 a game changer? Yes, that's likely to be a game changer. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.920 And we know that from the Cosby case, which is 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.520 their strength in numbers, and that maybe one or two 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.480 women could be attacked on cross examination. But the prosecutor 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.760 always wants to show a pattern of conduct, not to 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.760 say that this was just sort of an isolated situation, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.520 but to put it into context, so without those additional witnesses, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.400 it makes it much more difficult to get a conviction. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:40.000 Weinstein's lead attorney, Donna Rotuno, downplay the effect of the 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.880 number of accusers staying on CNN that it might actually 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.560 benefit the defense. I think in some ways that number 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.360 sort of helps us, because once the jury sits down 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.760 and the jury hears that this is only about two women, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.680 I think they start to wonder how truthful those other 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.000 circumstances are, or if there were so many, why aren't 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.760 they a part of the criminal case. Is that just 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.239 trial lawyers bluster? I think that's wishful thinking. I mean, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.680 it is true that the jurors are going to be 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.200 told that this is just being used for a narrow purpose. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.560 It's also true that there are dozens more accusers out 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.840 there against Harvey Weinstein who are not having their cases 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.600 tried in the courtroom. And so she might be saying, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.600 you know, ladies and gentlemen, there were a lot of 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.520 accusations out there, but they didn't bear enough truth to 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.440 be tried, and therefore you should be suspicious of the 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:39.000 ones before you. After dropping several lawyers Weinstein now has 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.240 a female defense attorney, and that sort of fits an 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.920 old troop. Does she have an advantage in cross examining 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.920 the women in this case in any respect? Well, the 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.120 optics can be slightly better. I mean, it doesn't look 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:56.000 good when you have men beating up on women making 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.120 accusations of sexual assault. It looks like the women are 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:03.080 being assaulted again. So just the optics might look better. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.200 But I'm not sure how far that will carry her, 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.520 because at some point, if she gets tough in that examination, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.680 what the jurors will hear and what they'll see are 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.919 the witnesses being attacked. Initially, I think that there's just 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.760 sort of this unconscious reaction by some people. Oh, if 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.040 a woman's representing an man, you know, there must be 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.000 a good reason. Why would she go out on a 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.400 limb to do that? But I think yours are pretty 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.799 sophisticated to know that it's not just about those optics. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.599 Weinstein has released some emails that he and the alleged 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.320 rape victim exchanged for years after the attack, and his 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.400 lawyer said, these are women who have spent time with 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.680 him over periods of time, and I think we have 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.120 evidence to show that the time was nothing but positive 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.520 and favorable. Could those emails help him? But those emails, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.280 frankly could help him if in fact the jury believed that, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.440 they show that it was not a traumatic event, it 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.279 was consensual encounter, and that's why these women continued to 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.120 have contact with him. But again, I don't think it 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.719 would come as a big surprise to what jurors that 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.159 these women actually were forced into these contacts according to 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.640 the prosecution, and that they didn't have much choice to 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.080 stay in contact with him. They didn't have much choice 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.160 but to be nice to him because of the power differentiation. Here. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.719 Here's a man who had tremendous power. That's how he 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.360 got what he wanted with them and continued to have 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.560 that contact. I've been talking to Professor Laurie Levinson of 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.800 Loyola Law School about the Harvey Weinstein trial, which is 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.680 now in jury selection. Laurie, it seems to me that 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.400 one of the impacts of the me too movement on 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.320 the trial is that jurors might better understand the power 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.640 dynamic that you were just discussing with regard to the 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.600 emails between Weinstein and one of his accusers. I do 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.839 think that that's been one of the great progress that's 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.440 come with Me Too movement, which is to sort of 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.760 give people a peek into the real world there that 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.680 women often do things that they don't want to do. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.320 They don't complain, they go along with the game because 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.560 they didn't feel like they have much choice. And then 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.640 the more that came out of people in power and 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.200 in power that did this, the more sophisticated. I think 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.760 the populace became an understanding why women would say yes 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.640 when they don't really mean yes. You mentioned optics, and 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.160 on the first day of trial we saw the optics 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:42.080 of Harvey Weinstein going into court hobbling over a walker, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:47.039 not looking like the Harvey Weinstein power broker of old. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.120 Does that affect the jurors in anyway? It could. I 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.640 mean it's a defense one to try to exploit it 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.000 and say, you know, basically, he's just sort of a 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.600 feeble old man. He's not some type of sexual predator. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.800 Just look at him. Then maybe some jurors would say 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.960 okay and even feel some sympathy. But again, I think 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.920 people are fairly sophisticated. I mean, one of the reasons 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.600 he looks like this is because of recent back surgery. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.800 He didn't always look like this, and also, you know, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.840 given his appearance, it might actually help the prosecution when 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.400 they argue this is not some suave guy that all 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.600 these women wanted to have a relationship with, and that 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.800 that would undercut the defense argument of consent. Now, Weinstein 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.040 is not expected to testify, and the jurors will be 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:39.559 told they can't consider that. But I always question whether 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.080 in the back of their minds, no matter what the 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.880 judge says, they do say, well, why didn't he testify? Well, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.960 they won't say it that directly, but I do think 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.520 that we know that jurors sort of have in their mind, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.920 you know, if he had something that would help him, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.320 why wouldn't he let it be known? Like you said, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:02.000 why wouldn't he testify? There's fisted enough not to say 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.880 that during jury deliberations, ordinarily because they've been instructed not 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.320 to do so. But how it factors into their individual 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.800 decision making, Yes, I do think that they still consider 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.360 that is there going to be a key moment in 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.440 the trial? Is there going to be testimony that the 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.360 trial sort of hangs on? Well, I think that the 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.880 key moments will be when the accusers, when the alleged 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.600 victims come forward and are actually on the witness stand, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.240 and people not only hear what they have to say, 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.439 but see how they say it. That's how we often 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.120 evaluate who we believe in who we don't. So, um, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.480 I think what is said from that witness stands going 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.120 to be key. Also, you know, ironically, even though it's 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.400 not evidence, how Harvey Weinstein responds while he's sitting in 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.520 that courtroom, we know that jurors will look at everything 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.080 in the courtroom. So if there's some type of unusual 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.520 response by win seeing during this trial, that could be 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.320 a key moment as well. And speaking about behavior in 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.280 the courtroom, what I find a little odd, and of 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.000 course there's no jury there yet. But the judge reprimanded 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:14.000 Weinstein for defying his earlier order banning him from texting 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.199 in the courtroom, saying he'd seen Weinstein with no fewer 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.920 than four cell phones in court on Tuesday morning and 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.079 warning him that he would be jailed if he flouted 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.800 the order again. Now, that's not how a defendant should 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.480 be behaving before a trial judge, is it. Well, you 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.360 certainly don't want to up set the judge. Um, the 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.000 judge has a lot of discretionary calls to make throughout 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.240 this trial, Jurors usually looked to the judge to sort 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.840 of take cues. How does the judge feel about this case? So, 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.240 getting the judge on the wrong sign this early in 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.960 the proceeding not a good thing to do. I want 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.920 to discuss for a moment the celebrity factor here, because 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.920 not only is a well known actress going to be 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:00.640 testifying as one of the so called prior bad Acts witnesses, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.439 but some famous actresses say they're going to be sitting 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.720 in the courtroom. Also, the judge released a list of 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.240 possible witnesses, including actresses like Charlie's Farren. So how does 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.439 the celebrity factor play here? We know from prior cases 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.720 that there's quote a celebrity justice element. You know, which 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.800 way it goes depends on the case. But jurors realize 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.120 one thing, which is this is a really important case 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.000 and if it looks like there's a cheering section for 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.079 one side or the other, jurors will pick up on that. Now, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.880 there's not supposed to be anything overtly done by the 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.040 people sitting in the trial, but it puts out a 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.240 pressure on the jurors. They know that their verdict will 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.560 be scrutinized, that there's a whole group out there, a constituency, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.080 waiting to see how they rule. On Monday, as Weinstein 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.240 was about to go on trial, California state prosecutors charged 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.240 him with raping one woman and sexually assaulting another in 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.840 twenty third team. Here's the Los Angeles District Attorney, Jackie Lacey. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:09.360 My office has charged Harvey Weinstein with sexually assaulting two 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.120 women in Los Angeles County. We believe the evidence will 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.280 show that the defendant used his power and influence to 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.200 gain access to his victims and then committed violent crimes 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.800 against them. If convicted has charged in the case, defendant 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.760 Weinstein faces up to twenty eight years in state prison. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.280 My office will ask the court to set bail at 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.160 five million dollars. Once the defendant's case is completed in 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.000 New York, we expect him to appear in a courtroom 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.920 in Los Angeles County to face these charges. Is the 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.880 timing suspicious? Oh? I think Actually? The district attorney said, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.000 I didn't want to do it earlier because I didn't 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.520 want to interfere with the trial in New York but 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.040 I do think it's to the advantage of the Los 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.040 Angeles prosecutors to sort of wait and see what happens 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.880 in New York. First of all, if they get an 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.720 fiction in New York, they'll be able to use some 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.480 of maybe those witnesses as the prior acts and showing 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.920 the scheme. It could even force some type of plea deal, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.400 although I think at this point not much of an 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.120 offer would be made to Weinstein. But equally important, if 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.080 they lose the case in New York, the prosecutors in 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.200 Los Angeles can learn from any mistakes. So yes, going 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.360 second and something like this has its strategic advantages. So 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:32.080 for Weinstein, he'll be fighting one set of charges in court, 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.199 and Nose he has to face another set of charges 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.720 in another state, facing more jail time. Is there a 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.720 psychological factor here, I think so. I mean it just 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.800 wears him down. There's no light at the end of 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.040 the tunnel, you know, because even if he wins this one, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.800 he's going to go through it all over again. And 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:56.080 it just becomes very apparent that nobody's backing down from this. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.040 You know. When it initially started, I think there was 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.080 a thought that well, okay, there'll be a few will 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.760 swap them away, but eventually this will go away. Just 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.880 how long it will take to get through these proceedings 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.160 for the next five ten years of Harvey Weinstein's case, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.760 it's all about these trials. Now, many people are expecting 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.719 a conviction here. But in the past, we've seen many cases, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.520 and you and I both cover the O. J. Simpson 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.560 trial where you think there's going to be a conviction 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.400 but the jury quits. Oh. Absolutely, that's the nature of trials. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.760 You know, expect the unexpected, especially in a high visibility case. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.000 And as you mentioned, there's o J. There's Michael Jackson, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.680 the Robert Blake, the list goes on. So I don't 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.640 think anybody should sort of say this is a done deal. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.880 The lawyers before Harvard Wayne seemed very good lawyer, very prepared. Uh, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.280 these are the types of cases where surprises can happen. Um, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.040 we just don't know. But that's the nature of the 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.079 trial system. That's why we meet a trial, not just 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.480 an allegation, not just headlines. But we need a trial. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.680 So in this case, what is a little unusual is 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.560 that the prosecution is not going to be calling police 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.680 to testify. Indeed, it may be that the defense calls 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:23.200 police to try to discredit the charges against Weinstein. Is 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.680 that a good move by the defense to try to 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.760 turn the police against the prosecution. The best defense in 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.680 some cases is a good offense, and that's kind of 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.920 what they've been trying to do in this case, which 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:40.200 is to challenge the investigation, challenge the police. So far 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.160 the judges shut them down, but I think that they'll 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.520 continue to try to bring out the problems and the investigation. 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.120 That was a key strategy. Frankly, in the O. J. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.560 Simpson case, even when people thought there was a d 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.160 n A, they put the L A P. D on trial. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.720 So I think it is a defense that can work 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.440 on the other and I think it's smart by the 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.600 prosecutors not to play into that. Say we're not putting 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.440 our police on We're going to put on the actual victims. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.120 We're going to make this jury look these women in 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:16.360 the eye and then make their decision. Finally, Laurie, everyone says, well, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.280 things have changed so much, But when you look at 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.960 this trial, and you know, most rape accusations still don't 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.840 make it to court. Are the legal challenges the same? 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.120 Do you still have? Uh? He said, she said in 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.000 the defense saying it was consensual. That is a basic 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.520 issue in these cases. Although I always teach my students, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.280 he said, she said, doesn't mean you don't have a case. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.040 It means that if the jury actually believes her there, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.320 it should be a guilty verdict. So what prosecutors have 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.520 to do is learn that. The reason, he said, she 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.400 said cases were always so difficult is that people weren't 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.640 believing the victims. And to believe the victims, you need corroboration, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.800 you need a motive, and you need credible witnesses, all 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.280 of which I presume they're putting together for this case. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.680 Thanks so much, Laurie. That's Laurie Levins and a professor 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.480 at Loyola Law School. And that's it for this edition 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.960 of Bloomberg Law. 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