WEBVTT - How Quickly Would It Kill Me? 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.360 All right, it's Sauce on the side. I'm Gandhi from 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.560 the Elvis Durrim Morning Show, and I'm here with my 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.960 two not one. I got both producers in here today, 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:12.960 Andrew and Diamond. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:13.680 What's up, Hi? 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:14.960 Oh hi, oh hi. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.520 I heard you get zapped and I am going to 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.080 play that soundback right now because it was the funniest 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:21.560 thing ever. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.280 You know, I'm going to add this to my burn books, 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.480 so I'll save that for the Oh there's a reason 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:28.720 why I got zapped. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.560 Oh okay, I'm excited. We have an entry into the 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.040 Burn book. Wonderful from Andrew. All Right, today we have 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.680 our friend Vna. If you don't know Vna, he actually 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.920 came to us through Elvis because Elvis is the coolest 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.480 things in the world, and he went on a freaking 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:47.080 safari in Africa, started in Tanzania. There's not a lot 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:48.800 to really get into before we bring him in, so 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:55.000 I'm just gonna bring him in. So one of my 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.320 favorite people, definitely one of my favorite guests that we 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.520 have on the Big Show is here, Vna Panna. What 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.120 is your last name? Do you tell people? 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:08.040 I do Jacob Jacobwe. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.959 Vna Jacob Gobwene. So you are the owner operator of 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:16.160 Vienna's Untamed Expeditions, which is basically my dream. Tell me 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.640 about it. What is it that you do for people 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:18.240 who don't know. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:26.160 We organize safaris to East and Southern Africa to East Africa, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:31.959 we organize safaris to Tanzania where I'm from, Kenya, Uganda 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.320 and Randa for the gorillas, and then in South Africa 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.520 as well, and we also do Cape Town to us 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.880 in South Africa as well. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.119 So you do it all. You just said probably five 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.080 things that I'm super interested in. First of all Africa, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.120 second of all gorillas, the safaris, Cape Town, all of it. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.600 Let's start with the Safari Yes, how did you get 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.280 into being a Safari guy? I know you're from Tanzania 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.360 or as you used to say, Tanzania, and now I 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.760 heard you say, yeah, you. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.120 Know, it's a different pronunciation, but all that's the same meaning. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.359 So my father used to be a Safari guide and 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:15.440 I learned a lot about wildlife from him, and I 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.680 developed that passion of wanting to become a guide. Around seventeen, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.720 one of my high school teachers called me in and said, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.280 you know what, I think you should become a safari 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.320 guide okay, and asked him why. He said, you know, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.040 because you've been doing great. We had these clubs and 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.359 one of the clubs that we had was for wildlife, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.200 so he was always there listening. So he said to me, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.840 I think you'll make a good safari guide. So when 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.320 I finished high school, I went for my guiding college 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.119 and sixteen years later, yeah, I am doing guiding amazing. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.720 So let's talk about the animals that you will encounter 0:02:54.919 --> 0:03:01.120 have encountered on the safaris. Obviously. Will the beasts buffalo yes, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.000 Elephants yes, Lions yes, Hyenas. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.639 Yes, monkeys, monkeys yes, okay. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:19.120 Baboons, leopards, you know, jackals, rhinos, hippos, crocodiles. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:20.800 It's a lot, and the one you say is the 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.720 most terrifying. You don't encounter often, but if you did, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.040 you said you would turn the other way. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:26.760 The black mama, the black member. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.760 Will you will you tell people why of all those 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.440 animals you just said, crocodiles, hippos, which I find hippos terrifying, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.120 they are right, You're most afraid of a black mamba 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.200 more than a lion, and a hyena and a leopard. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:40.520 All of those it's the black Mamba. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.560 Why black member is what you call a deadly snake 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.440 in Africa. They are very aggressive and they can strike 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:50.240 for no reason. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.920 You encounter them, they strike. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.600 They are very fust that they can strike up to 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:02.040 five people within three seconds. Basically does not give you 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.800 enough time to. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.480 Run that everybody you're with, nobody can run because you 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.240 just all got hit by the black momlambers and the 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.120 poison is so deadly, very deadly. You don't you don't 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:12.520 have time. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.839 It gives you thirty minutes and you're more likely done. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.240 Have you ever seen somebody actually get bitten? I like, 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.520 what do they call it? Gets struck. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.839 I've seen people in that situation, and I've seen people 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.640 after that. I've never witnessed someone being hit by one, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.480 but I've seen after and it's not a good experience. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.839 I saw Kill Bill. I don't know if you've seen 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.640 that movie, but there's a black mom but and Kill Bill, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.280 and that's how I associate everything. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:40.760 I haven't seen that movie yet. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:41.320 Good movie. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.920 If you go, I'll go find look for it. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.440 So, first of all, what do you encounter the most. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.200 I want to believe it's elephants, but I don't know 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.000 that that's true. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.880 We have a group of animals we call habibos. That's 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:59.760 like your ideas, no means yeah, vegetarians. Vegetarians. So those 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.960 are the animals that you encounter a lot. One of 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.200 the animals that we say is mostly the first animal 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.640 you'll see on safari. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:09.159 It's stay in parlor. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:09.839 Okay. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.160 The reason being in para leaves in what we call 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:17.520 an ecoton. So the ecoton its where the two habitat meets. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.960 You have a bit of the woodland and you have 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.479 the bit of the grassland. So because they feed in both, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.760 so that is mostly where they will be, okay. And 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.839 then you have zebras, you have wilder beasts. Elephants know 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.159 that much. You see them. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.880 But elephants also likes to be in woodlands. 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.120 They're the real king of the jungle. I don't know 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.240 why everybody talks about it being a lion. I don't 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.240 even live in the jungle. That's crazy. But yes, as 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.200 you were saying. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.640 You'll find elephants in the woodland, but sometimes they'll come 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.279 into the open areas to feed and then go back, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.560 So you don't really encounter elephants as much as you'll 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.760 encounter the other hebivors. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.479 Elephants are really smart too, right, and they're sick human. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:05:59.520 Very animals. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.920 I think after dolphins, elephants at the second ones. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.280 Those are my two favorite animals by the way, And 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.800 let me tell you, Producer Andrew and producer Diamond both 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.480 hate dolphins. It's a very weird thing. They're afraid of them. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.480 They have a lot of like weird thoughts in their 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.400 head about what dolphins do. They're convinced that dolphins try 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:19.360 to have sex with humans. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.640 I've never had that, Yeah, thank you. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.359 I think Andrew saw one story one time and it 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.200 was like over he just believed it for her. But 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.599 as far as all these animals go, what animals have 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.640 you had some kind of scary encounters with? At some point, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.320 something has had to happen, right. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.880 I would put it within between buffaloes and elephants. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:42.719 Really yeah, Okay. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.040 So starting with the elephants, I was still a young 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:51.600 guide coming up. We went out searching for African wild dogs, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.240 a very rare animal to see on. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.800 They look like three different animals put together together, and 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:57.680 they have the patterns. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.880 So we went out so them. As we were coming back, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.440 you're in a very narrow road. So I had a 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.800 tracker with me and myself and two guests at the back. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.360 So we come across. We came across this big bull 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:17.160 elephant by himself, and he was mad, you could tell. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.560 So we stopped so the car could not start. You 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.080 could not switch off the car because normally, if you 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.520 find an animal like that, switch off the car, observed. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.480 But this car, the bed was low, so we could 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.400 not switch it off. So we had to switch it. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:33.240 You had to be on. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.320 Wait, wait, wait. So you see an animal that could 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.000 potentially stomp your car and you shut the car off, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:38.480 you have. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:39.040 To, okay. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.360 The reason being sometimes even the noise from the engine 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.880 can irritate the animal and make that animals even aggressive, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.160 So we couldn't switch off the vehicle. As we were 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.480 watching this elephant, you discovered that that elephant had been 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.720 fighting with another bull and he lost the fight because 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.280 he was in what you call a mast. That's the 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.280 period where a male elephant is ready to mate with 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.720 a female to reproduce. So we could see he's dripping urine. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.480 But also it was they have a kind of scent 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.600 or smell that they have during that period. So this elephant, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.160 we couldn't switch the vehicle of this elephant was coming 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.320 toward us, so we had to back up slowly, slowly. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.000 So the tracker told me, like, this elephant will charge 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.920 because he thought he lost. It's not looking where to 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.120 lay his hanger like. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.800 A guy in a bar fight. He's just pissed off 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:31.679 the table. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.079 So he said, keep on revising. If I tell you 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:42.040 to go, hit the accelerator and go. So this elephant 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.640 came in past us. He went around the vehicle because 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.360 the two head lights in front. Sometimes animal sees that 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.320 as eyes. So when he was looking at us the 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.320 two lights in front for him was something like, okay, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.640 let me go behind this thing. So this elephant walked 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.680 behind hinders and it came on a very full speed. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.920 Sorry chasing, you start chasing, so you just Floorida. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.080 And we had to go. We had to go. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.080 You know, I'm going to tell you that happens in India. Yeah, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.640 those elephants when they're in when they're you call it 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.080 in must Yeah, that's that's always not always, but for 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.920 the most part, when there's an elephant attack or something 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.440 happens where an elephant is angry and does something like that, 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.280 it's typically the young ball right and must us. So 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.839 if you encounter a herd, odds are you're going to 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.320 be okay? 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:32.880 Yes? 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.280 If you encounter a lone ball, take it easy. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:36.960 Yeah. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.760 That's same with the buffaloes. If you find the head 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.960 of buffaloes, you okay, like ninety percent. But if you 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.800 find a lonely bull buffalo, make sure that you know 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.199 you're escaping route. And these buffalos like this other one. Uh, 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.440 there were four of them. So I was driving in 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.920 an open area and there are four of them. Same thing. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.920 We went looking for the wild dogs again, so he came. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.880 We came across these five buffalos. 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:03.360 Woll dogs are gonna get you in trouble. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.599 And one of them was looking at us like he 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.160 wanted to come. So we drove and this buffalo walked 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.960 out and he came in front of us, and we 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.199 start charging us. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:17.520 So he's trying to take on a truck. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.040 Yeah he was coming because they come with the head down. Yeah, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.040 he was coming. So I had to reverse for like 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.000 one hundred years and this guy was still coming in 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.440 and I couldn't do it even longer. So I stopped 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.440 the vehicle and I said to my guests, hold on 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.160 I'm gonna go for it. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.719 Hold on, that's always what you want to hear from 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:37.600 the Safari guys. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.160 This guy will not stop. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.160 So if I go towards him, there's a chance that 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.480 he will stop and run away. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.040 We mean, there's a chance. What if he didn't. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.600 So I took my chances and it worked. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.280 As soon as I start going after him, I stopped 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:52.959 and ran away. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.760 Seeb and I, this is the stuff I'm here for. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.559 This is the stuff I want to hear about. Okay, 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.640 you said something to me a couple of years ago 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.200 that really resonated with me, and I ended up saying 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.280 it to Diamond once when we were out in the woods. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:09.280 You said, only prey runs, exactly. Don't run away from things, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.840 as much as that is your instinct as a human being, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.079 when you're afraid to take off running, don't run because 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:20.120 prey runs. Yes, only food runs. So one day Diamond 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.000 and I we did a trip off the grid and 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.680 we were in the woods in California and they told 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.920 us that there were bears around. And as we're hiking around, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.319 our guide froze and she said, what was that sound? 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.040 And you could kind of hear branches snapping. If something 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.120 was there, something was coming. This one wanted to take 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.200 off running, and I said, do not do it. Do 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.680 not run. I know you want to run. If you run, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.520 you are food. Don't do it. Did that not happen? Diamond, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.360 come over here, till mike for a second. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.520 It happened, and I would do it again. You want 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.280 to know why my heart was racing. You didn't know 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.400 what it was, where was coming from. We couldn't figure 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.360 it out. Why would we stand there and wait for 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.120 it to come out and show us who or what 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:03.560 it is. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:04.320 I'm out of there. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:04.920 Tell why? 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.760 Because so you don't know where that animal is coming from. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.559 You don't know who that animal is, So running you're 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.240 putting yourself in danger more because first you have to 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.520 know who that animal is so that you know how 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:24.600 to survive. I will tell you a secret. Animals cannot 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.920 judge distance. Most of the animals. We humans and primates, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.440 we can judge distance, But most of the animals cannot 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:34.240 judge distance. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:36.040 If you have watched. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.760 National Geographic when the lions or leopards or any predator hunting, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.079 you see how very close they get to those animals, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.440 so they walk, go down and freeze, even if the 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.800 gazelle raise up the head like I've seen movements. But 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.560 as soon as they freeze, they confuse the gazelles or 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.000 they confuse the antelope. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:58.480 That's how they go. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.240 Once you start moving around and flail and running, then 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.360 you've given them a target exactly, and now they're like 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:03.880 what is this? 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:05.240 So you get them? 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.839 You know, so you stop, you don't move, you see 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.800 the animal that you want to move, and then the 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.520 safest thing to do is to back up slowly. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:17.520 Timon, do you think you can do that? 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.040 We let me just we were in the middle of 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.000 a medal. Also. She just fails. 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.120 Nothing but like grass and I don't know up to 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.000 our knees and you don't see anything else where were 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.679 we gonna go? 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:39.280 You listen, I've come across leopards doing walking safaris. We 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:43.520 came across this particular this one leopard on a ditch sleeping. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.720 So we didn't know there was a leopard there, and 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.760 we went there because we saw like this could be 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.920 a potential area where there'll be water and we might 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.040 find elephants. So we came across the ditch there was 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.800 a sleeping leopard. Like you know, from my distance to you. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.160 Which is a fine because are not easy to come by. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.280 Right, Oh, leopards at the toughest. Yeah, they're very, very 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:06.280 very quick. 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.960 Okay, So as soon as we stopped, one of my 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.320 guests talked and this leopard had the voice. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:16.280 And Diamonds running away from a microphone. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:22.720 And she growl and stood up and ran away. Oh, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.280 she didn't come after us. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.320 So she was more afraid of what the unknown. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.160 Was exactly because we had stopped and we were freezing. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.560 Do you think you can implement this in the future, Diamond, Yes. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.800 But now I have a question, like, how pissed were 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.240 you that this person decided to open their mouth? 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.360 Like do you get upset when things like that happen? 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:42.200 Uh? 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.280 Sometimes you know, you don't get upset, but you tell them, like, 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.040 you know, next time, if something like this happens, do 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.040 not do that. There's a good's there's a good thing 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.640 about you talking as you're doing walking safaris or as 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.520 you're doing trekkings, as you did, because you get to 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:00.960 advertise is your presence. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:02.320 Oh we did. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.920 We were loud, yeah, but if you go quietly, it's well, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.320 now you ambush the animals. You know, it's a nature, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.200 it's a human nature, it's an animal nature. Once you're ambushed, 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.360 you will always want to defend. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.840 So you're saying, if we are in the woods and 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.840 the way, I'll find a picture of where we were 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.680 because there was a meadow, but there were trees and 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.680 stuff around it. Maybe there really wasn't anywhere to go. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.400 But in a scenario like this, you're saying, make a 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.560 lot of noise while you're going through, so that they 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.560 hear you coming from wherever they are and they scatter 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.680 instead of us popping up on them because we're being 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.040 very silent. Yes, no to self, We'll make a lot 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.120 of noise next time, Diamonds. She's like, what next time? 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.200 I'm not going back in those damns. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.760 What noises? But you know as you speak. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.280 Okay, So now I told you about my podcast idea. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.720 Can I touch it? Where I want to go into 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.880 wherever nature and just try to touch things. I've already 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.800 started it, by the way. I touched a horseshoe crab, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:59.800 I touched a sea urchin, a shark, a starfish, a lizard. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.600 I touched elephants and stuff before. I'm not an idiot, 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.800 like I know, I can't really touch all of these things. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.600 But I have been umboozled, I think by Instagram where 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.920 I follow all these guys who live with the lions 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.760 and they get along and the lions bring them their 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.960 cubs and they present them. Kevin Richardson, specifically the lion whisper, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.840 how does he live this life? 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.160 So he started doing his project years back. You know, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.800 he sort of basica raised those lions and. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.040 They're out in a while, right. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.080 So it's it's like a firm that he has goot. Okay, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.640 so basically, you know, you want to come into the 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:39.640 Seringate and do that. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.360 Okay he makes a look like that, but no, okay, yeah. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.960 He has a place where he's doing that down south. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.360 Then they have places like those that you can go 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.640 and take a walk with lions and you can touch them. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.360 But mostly they're like animal firms. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.120 Oh but that's not good done, is it? 0:16:58.840 --> 0:16:59.400 Not? Really? 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.080 So that's so this Lion Whisperer that I'm like, oh 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.040 my gosh, look at him just interacting with these lions. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:04.920 Are they captive? 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.800 I cannot really say they're captive, but I can also 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.920 say they're totally wild, so they know him. That's why 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.359 if it's another person going, they have to put you 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:16.000 on a cage. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:17.440 They put me in the cage. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:22.280 I would love that, specifically him, because he has been there, 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:24.760 They grew up around him. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.240 So my dreams are you know, a little far fetched. 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:28.800 You can still do it. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.600 But if you want to be you know, if you 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.640 want to go to those lions walk in South Africa. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.480 Now here's the thing. So this is where I get 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.440 very torn. I want nature to be nature. I want 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.239 it in its element. I don't want to tame it, 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.560 domesticate it, none of that. I even have a problem 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.720 with half the pets that I want to have because 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.280 I think you don't want to live in my apartment. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.240 You are meant to be free, a bird, whatever, even 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:50.919 a chinchill. You don't want to live with me. You 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.679 want to be somewhere else. So I want nature to 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.600 be nature. But I also want to touch it. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.439 Yeah, you can touch some and you cannot touch some. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.240 So far, everything that I've tried to touch has allowed 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.679 me to touch it so far. Yeah, but you know, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.280 I'll take it easy. I promise on your safari when 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.320 I go, because I'm going to go, I will not 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.520 touch anything. I won't stick my hand out of the car. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.800 I'm just going to be good and observe. We'll watch 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.960 every I will not stress you out. So this is 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.440 a big part I would assume then of the economy, right, 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.080 safaris taking people around, which I think is amazing and 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.880 I think everyone should go on a safari if they can. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.000 You save your money up, go I want to do it. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.600 I want to take my whole family. I've been talking 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.159 about this with you for years at this point, I 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:44.840 promise at some point, but I have a question about economy. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.160 And one of the things that people say is good 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.639 for a lot of countries in Africa and their economy, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.520 that sounds a little crazy to me. I don't like it. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.840 Hunting big game. Is that in fact good for the 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:03.399 economy or do crazy rich hunters tell people that so 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.600 it doesn't look like they're doing something awful. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:12.159 So hunting is a very very tough subject to talk about, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.680 and I always avoid talking about it. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:20.119 Oh I'm glad, I ask you, yeah, because if you 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:24.240 miss a point on that then it can backfire. Always. Well, 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.080 that's how it is with anything you say. I promise 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:27.800 you. You say I like dogs, people are gonna say, oh, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:28.439 you hate cats. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:29.520 Don't worry. 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.600 So conservation started from hunting. As people were hunting and 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:38.160