Speaker 1: All right, it's Sauce on the side. I'm Gandhi from
Speaker 1: the Elvis Durrim Morning Show, and I'm here with my
Speaker 1: two not one. I got both producers in here today,
Speaker 1: Andrew and Diamond.
Speaker 2: What's up, Hi?
Speaker 3: Oh hi, oh hi.
Speaker 1: I heard you get zapped and I am going to
Speaker 1: play that soundback right now because it was the funniest
Speaker 1: thing ever.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to add this to my burn books,
Speaker 4: so I'll save that for the Oh there's a reason
Speaker 4: why I got zapped.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm excited. We have an entry into the
Speaker 1: Burn book. Wonderful from Andrew. All Right, today we have
Speaker 1: our friend Vna. If you don't know Vna, he actually
Speaker 1: came to us through Elvis because Elvis is the coolest
Speaker 1: things in the world, and he went on a freaking
Speaker 1: safari in Africa, started in Tanzania. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: to really get into before we bring him in, so
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bring him in. So one of my
Speaker 1: favorite people, definitely one of my favorite guests that we
Speaker 1: have on the Big Show is here, Vna Panna. What
Speaker 1: is your last name? Do you tell people?
Speaker 5: I do Jacob Jacobwe.
Speaker 1: Vna Jacob Gobwene. So you are the owner operator of
Speaker 1: Vienna's Untamed Expeditions, which is basically my dream. Tell me
Speaker 1: about it. What is it that you do for people
Speaker 1: who don't know.
Speaker 5: We organize safaris to East and Southern Africa to East Africa,
Speaker 5: we organize safaris to Tanzania where I'm from, Kenya, Uganda
Speaker 5: and Randa for the gorillas, and then in South Africa
Speaker 5: as well, and we also do Cape Town to us
Speaker 5: in South Africa as well.
Speaker 1: So you do it all. You just said probably five
Speaker 1: things that I'm super interested in. First of all Africa,
Speaker 1: second of all gorillas, the safaris, Cape Town, all of it.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Safari Yes, how did you get
Speaker 1: into being a Safari guy? I know you're from Tanzania
Speaker 1: or as you used to say, Tanzania, and now I
Speaker 1: heard you say, yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know, it's a different pronunciation, but all that's the same meaning.
Speaker 5: So my father used to be a Safari guide and
Speaker 5: I learned a lot about wildlife from him, and I
Speaker 5: developed that passion of wanting to become a guide. Around seventeen,
Speaker 5: one of my high school teachers called me in and said,
Speaker 5: you know what, I think you should become a safari
Speaker 5: guide okay, and asked him why. He said, you know,
Speaker 5: because you've been doing great. We had these clubs and
Speaker 5: one of the clubs that we had was for wildlife,
Speaker 5: so he was always there listening. So he said to me,
Speaker 5: I think you'll make a good safari guide. So when
Speaker 5: I finished high school, I went for my guiding college
Speaker 5: and sixteen years later, yeah, I am doing guiding amazing.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the animals that you will encounter
Speaker 1: have encountered on the safaris. Obviously. Will the beasts buffalo yes,
Speaker 1: Elephants yes, Lions yes, Hyenas.
Speaker 3: Yes, monkeys, monkeys yes, okay.
Speaker 5: Baboons, leopards, you know, jackals, rhinos, hippos, crocodiles.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, and the one you say is the
Speaker 1: most terrifying. You don't encounter often, but if you did,
Speaker 1: you said you would turn the other way.
Speaker 3: The black mama, the black member.
Speaker 1: Will you will you tell people why of all those
Speaker 1: animals you just said, crocodiles, hippos, which I find hippos terrifying,
Speaker 1: they are right, You're most afraid of a black mamba
Speaker 1: more than a lion, and a hyena and a leopard.
Speaker 1: All of those it's the black Mamba.
Speaker 5: Why black member is what you call a deadly snake
Speaker 5: in Africa. They are very aggressive and they can strike
Speaker 5: for no reason.
Speaker 3: You encounter them, they strike.
Speaker 5: They are very fust that they can strike up to
Speaker 5: five people within three seconds. Basically does not give you
Speaker 5: enough time to.
Speaker 1: Run that everybody you're with, nobody can run because you
Speaker 1: just all got hit by the black momlambers and the
Speaker 1: poison is so deadly, very deadly. You don't you don't
Speaker 1: have time.
Speaker 5: It gives you thirty minutes and you're more likely done.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen somebody actually get bitten? I like,
Speaker 1: what do they call it? Gets struck.
Speaker 5: I've seen people in that situation, and I've seen people
Speaker 5: after that. I've never witnessed someone being hit by one,
Speaker 5: but I've seen after and it's not a good experience.
Speaker 1: I saw Kill Bill. I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1: that movie, but there's a black mom but and Kill Bill,
Speaker 1: and that's how I associate everything.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that movie yet.
Speaker 1: Good movie.
Speaker 3: If you go, I'll go find look for it.
Speaker 1: So, first of all, what do you encounter the most.
Speaker 1: I want to believe it's elephants, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's true.
Speaker 5: We have a group of animals we call habibos. That's
Speaker 5: like your ideas, no means yeah, vegetarians. Vegetarians. So those
Speaker 5: are the animals that you encounter a lot. One of
Speaker 5: the animals that we say is mostly the first animal
Speaker 5: you'll see on safari.
Speaker 3: It's stay in parlor.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: The reason being in para leaves in what we call
Speaker 5: an ecoton. So the ecoton its where the two habitat meets.
Speaker 5: You have a bit of the woodland and you have
Speaker 5: the bit of the grassland. So because they feed in both,
Speaker 5: so that is mostly where they will be, okay. And
Speaker 5: then you have zebras, you have wilder beasts. Elephants know
Speaker 5: that much. You see them.
Speaker 3: But elephants also likes to be in woodlands.
Speaker 1: They're the real king of the jungle. I don't know
Speaker 1: why everybody talks about it being a lion. I don't
Speaker 1: even live in the jungle. That's crazy. But yes, as
Speaker 1: you were saying.
Speaker 5: You'll find elephants in the woodland, but sometimes they'll come
Speaker 5: into the open areas to feed and then go back,
Speaker 5: So you don't really encounter elephants as much as you'll
Speaker 5: encounter the other hebivors.
Speaker 1: Elephants are really smart too, right, and they're sick human.
Speaker 3: Very animals.
Speaker 5: I think after dolphins, elephants at the second ones.
Speaker 1: Those are my two favorite animals by the way, And
Speaker 1: let me tell you, Producer Andrew and producer Diamond both
Speaker 1: hate dolphins. It's a very weird thing. They're afraid of them.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of like weird thoughts in their
Speaker 1: head about what dolphins do. They're convinced that dolphins try
Speaker 1: to have sex with humans.
Speaker 3: I've never had that, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: I think Andrew saw one story one time and it
Speaker 1: was like over he just believed it for her. But
Speaker 1: as far as all these animals go, what animals have
Speaker 1: you had some kind of scary encounters with? At some point,
Speaker 1: something has had to happen, right.
Speaker 5: I would put it within between buffaloes and elephants.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, Okay.
Speaker 5: So starting with the elephants, I was still a young
Speaker 5: guide coming up. We went out searching for African wild dogs,
Speaker 5: a very rare animal to see on.
Speaker 1: They look like three different animals put together together, and
Speaker 1: they have the patterns.
Speaker 5: So we went out so them. As we were coming back,
Speaker 5: you're in a very narrow road. So I had a
Speaker 5: tracker with me and myself and two guests at the back.
Speaker 5: So we come across. We came across this big bull
Speaker 5: elephant by himself, and he was mad, you could tell.
Speaker 5: So we stopped so the car could not start. You
Speaker 5: could not switch off the car because normally, if you
Speaker 5: find an animal like that, switch off the car, observed.
Speaker 5: But this car, the bed was low, so we could
Speaker 5: not switch it off. So we had to switch it.
Speaker 5: You had to be on.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. So you see an animal that could
Speaker 1: potentially stomp your car and you shut the car off,
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 3: To, okay.
Speaker 5: The reason being sometimes even the noise from the engine
Speaker 5: can irritate the animal and make that animals even aggressive,
Speaker 5: So we couldn't switch off the vehicle. As we were
Speaker 5: watching this elephant, you discovered that that elephant had been
Speaker 5: fighting with another bull and he lost the fight because
Speaker 5: he was in what you call a mast. That's the
Speaker 5: period where a male elephant is ready to mate with
Speaker 5: a female to reproduce. So we could see he's dripping urine.
Speaker 5: But also it was they have a kind of scent
Speaker 5: or smell that they have during that period. So this elephant,
Speaker 5: we couldn't switch the vehicle of this elephant was coming
Speaker 5: toward us, so we had to back up slowly, slowly.
Speaker 5: So the tracker told me, like, this elephant will charge
Speaker 5: because he thought he lost. It's not looking where to
Speaker 5: lay his hanger like.
Speaker 1: A guy in a bar fight. He's just pissed off
Speaker 1: the table.
Speaker 5: So he said, keep on revising. If I tell you
Speaker 5: to go, hit the accelerator and go. So this elephant
Speaker 5: came in past us. He went around the vehicle because
Speaker 5: the two head lights in front. Sometimes animal sees that
Speaker 5: as eyes. So when he was looking at us the
Speaker 5: two lights in front for him was something like, okay,
Speaker 5: let me go behind this thing. So this elephant walked
Speaker 5: behind hinders and it came on a very full speed.
Speaker 1: Sorry chasing, you start chasing, so you just Floorida.
Speaker 3: And we had to go. We had to go.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to tell you that happens in India. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those elephants when they're in when they're you call it
Speaker 1: in must Yeah, that's that's always not always, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, when there's an elephant attack or something
Speaker 1: happens where an elephant is angry and does something like that,
Speaker 1: it's typically the young ball right and must us. So
Speaker 1: if you encounter a herd, odds are you're going to
Speaker 1: be okay?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: If you encounter a lone ball, take it easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's same with the buffaloes. If you find the head
Speaker 5: of buffaloes, you okay, like ninety percent. But if you
Speaker 5: find a lonely bull buffalo, make sure that you know
Speaker 5: you're escaping route. And these buffalos like this other one. Uh,
Speaker 5: there were four of them. So I was driving in
Speaker 5: an open area and there are four of them. Same thing.
Speaker 5: We went looking for the wild dogs again, so he came.
Speaker 5: We came across these five buffalos.
Speaker 1: Woll dogs are gonna get you in trouble.
Speaker 5: And one of them was looking at us like he
Speaker 5: wanted to come. So we drove and this buffalo walked
Speaker 5: out and he came in front of us, and we
Speaker 5: start charging us.
Speaker 1: So he's trying to take on a truck.
Speaker 5: Yeah he was coming because they come with the head down. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was coming. So I had to reverse for like
Speaker 5: one hundred years and this guy was still coming in
Speaker 5: and I couldn't do it even longer. So I stopped
Speaker 5: the vehicle and I said to my guests, hold on
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go for it.
Speaker 1: Hold on, that's always what you want to hear from
Speaker 1: the Safari guys.
Speaker 3: This guy will not stop.
Speaker 5: So if I go towards him, there's a chance that
Speaker 5: he will stop and run away.
Speaker 1: We mean, there's a chance. What if he didn't.
Speaker 3: So I took my chances and it worked.
Speaker 5: As soon as I start going after him, I stopped
Speaker 5: and ran away.
Speaker 1: Seeb and I, this is the stuff I'm here for.
Speaker 1: This is the stuff I want to hear about. Okay,
Speaker 1: you said something to me a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: that really resonated with me, and I ended up saying
Speaker 1: it to Diamond once when we were out in the woods.
Speaker 1: You said, only prey runs, exactly. Don't run away from things,
Speaker 1: as much as that is your instinct as a human being,
Speaker 1: when you're afraid to take off running, don't run because
Speaker 1: prey runs. Yes, only food runs. So one day Diamond
Speaker 1: and I we did a trip off the grid and
Speaker 1: we were in the woods in California and they told
Speaker 1: us that there were bears around. And as we're hiking around,
Speaker 1: our guide froze and she said, what was that sound?
Speaker 1: And you could kind of hear branches snapping. If something
Speaker 1: was there, something was coming. This one wanted to take
Speaker 1: off running, and I said, do not do it. Do
Speaker 1: not run. I know you want to run. If you run,
Speaker 1: you are food. Don't do it. Did that not happen? Diamond,
Speaker 1: come over here, till mike for a second.
Speaker 6: It happened, and I would do it again. You want
Speaker 6: to know why my heart was racing. You didn't know
Speaker 6: what it was, where was coming from. We couldn't figure
Speaker 6: it out. Why would we stand there and wait for
Speaker 6: it to come out and show us who or what
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 2: I'm out of there.
Speaker 1: Tell why?
Speaker 5: Because so you don't know where that animal is coming from.
Speaker 5: You don't know who that animal is, So running you're
Speaker 5: putting yourself in danger more because first you have to
Speaker 5: know who that animal is so that you know how
Speaker 5: to survive. I will tell you a secret. Animals cannot
Speaker 5: judge distance. Most of the animals. We humans and primates,
Speaker 5: we can judge distance, But most of the animals cannot
Speaker 5: judge distance.
Speaker 3: If you have watched.
Speaker 5: National Geographic when the lions or leopards or any predator hunting,
Speaker 5: you see how very close they get to those animals,
Speaker 5: so they walk, go down and freeze, even if the
Speaker 5: gazelle raise up the head like I've seen movements. But
Speaker 5: as soon as they freeze, they confuse the gazelles or
Speaker 5: they confuse the antelope.
Speaker 3: That's how they go.
Speaker 1: Once you start moving around and flail and running, then
Speaker 1: you've given them a target exactly, and now they're like
Speaker 1: what is this?
Speaker 3: So you get them?
Speaker 5: You know, so you stop, you don't move, you see
Speaker 5: the animal that you want to move, and then the
Speaker 5: safest thing to do is to back up slowly.
Speaker 1: Timon, do you think you can do that?
Speaker 2: We let me just we were in the middle of
Speaker 2: a medal. Also. She just fails.
Speaker 6: Nothing but like grass and I don't know up to
Speaker 6: our knees and you don't see anything else where were
Speaker 6: we gonna go?
Speaker 5: You listen, I've come across leopards doing walking safaris. We
Speaker 5: came across this particular this one leopard on a ditch sleeping.
Speaker 5: So we didn't know there was a leopard there, and
Speaker 5: we went there because we saw like this could be
Speaker 5: a potential area where there'll be water and we might
Speaker 5: find elephants. So we came across the ditch there was
Speaker 5: a sleeping leopard. Like you know, from my distance to you.
Speaker 1: Which is a fine because are not easy to come by.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, leopards at the toughest. Yeah, they're very, very
Speaker 3: very quick.
Speaker 5: Okay, So as soon as we stopped, one of my
Speaker 5: guests talked and this leopard had the voice.
Speaker 1: And Diamonds running away from a microphone.
Speaker 3: And she growl and stood up and ran away. Oh,
Speaker 3: she didn't come after us.
Speaker 1: So she was more afraid of what the unknown.
Speaker 5: Was exactly because we had stopped and we were freezing.
Speaker 1: Do you think you can implement this in the future, Diamond, Yes.
Speaker 6: But now I have a question, like, how pissed were
Speaker 6: you that this person decided to open their mouth?
Speaker 2: Like do you get upset when things like that happen?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: Sometimes you know, you don't get upset, but you tell them, like,
Speaker 5: you know, next time, if something like this happens, do
Speaker 5: not do that. There's a good's there's a good thing
Speaker 5: about you talking as you're doing walking safaris or as
Speaker 5: you're doing trekkings, as you did, because you get to
Speaker 5: advertise is your presence.
Speaker 1: Oh we did.
Speaker 5: We were loud, yeah, but if you go quietly, it's well,
Speaker 5: now you ambush the animals. You know, it's a nature,
Speaker 5: it's a human nature, it's an animal nature. Once you're ambushed,
Speaker 5: you will always want to defend.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, if we are in the woods and
Speaker 1: the way, I'll find a picture of where we were
Speaker 1: because there was a meadow, but there were trees and
Speaker 1: stuff around it. Maybe there really wasn't anywhere to go.
Speaker 1: But in a scenario like this, you're saying, make a
Speaker 1: lot of noise while you're going through, so that they
Speaker 1: hear you coming from wherever they are and they scatter
Speaker 1: instead of us popping up on them because we're being
Speaker 1: very silent. Yes, no to self, We'll make a lot
Speaker 1: of noise next time, Diamonds. She's like, what next time?
Speaker 1: I'm not going back in those damns.
Speaker 3: What noises? But you know as you speak.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now I told you about my podcast idea.
Speaker 1: Can I touch it? Where I want to go into
Speaker 1: wherever nature and just try to touch things. I've already
Speaker 1: started it, by the way. I touched a horseshoe crab,
Speaker 1: I touched a sea urchin, a shark, a starfish, a lizard.
Speaker 1: I touched elephants and stuff before. I'm not an idiot,
Speaker 1: like I know, I can't really touch all of these things.
Speaker 1: But I have been umboozled, I think by Instagram where
Speaker 1: I follow all these guys who live with the lions
Speaker 1: and they get along and the lions bring them their
Speaker 1: cubs and they present them. Kevin Richardson, specifically the lion whisper,
Speaker 1: how does he live this life?
Speaker 5: So he started doing his project years back. You know,
Speaker 5: he sort of basica raised those lions and.
Speaker 1: They're out in a while, right.
Speaker 5: So it's it's like a firm that he has goot. Okay,
Speaker 5: so basically, you know, you want to come into the
Speaker 5: Seringate and do that.
Speaker 1: Okay he makes a look like that, but no, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: He has a place where he's doing that down south.
Speaker 5: Then they have places like those that you can go
Speaker 5: and take a walk with lions and you can touch them.
Speaker 5: But mostly they're like animal firms.
Speaker 1: Oh but that's not good done, is it?
Speaker 3: Not? Really?
Speaker 1: So that's so this Lion Whisperer that I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, look at him just interacting with these lions.
Speaker 1: Are they captive?
Speaker 5: I cannot really say they're captive, but I can also
Speaker 5: say they're totally wild, so they know him. That's why
Speaker 5: if it's another person going, they have to put you
Speaker 5: on a cage.
Speaker 1: They put me in the cage.
Speaker 5: I would love that, specifically him, because he has been there,
Speaker 5: They grew up around him.
Speaker 1: So my dreams are you know, a little far fetched.
Speaker 3: You can still do it.
Speaker 5: But if you want to be you know, if you
Speaker 5: want to go to those lions walk in South Africa.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. So this is where I get
Speaker 1: very torn. I want nature to be nature. I want
Speaker 1: it in its element. I don't want to tame it,
Speaker 1: domesticate it, none of that. I even have a problem
Speaker 1: with half the pets that I want to have because
Speaker 1: I think you don't want to live in my apartment.
Speaker 1: You are meant to be free, a bird, whatever, even
Speaker 1: a chinchill. You don't want to live with me. You
Speaker 1: want to be somewhere else. So I want nature to
Speaker 1: be nature. But I also want to touch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can touch some and you cannot touch some.
Speaker 1: So far, everything that I've tried to touch has allowed
Speaker 1: me to touch it so far. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take it easy. I promise on your safari when
Speaker 1: I go, because I'm going to go, I will not
Speaker 1: touch anything. I won't stick my hand out of the car.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to be good and observe. We'll watch
Speaker 1: every I will not stress you out. So this is
Speaker 1: a big part I would assume then of the economy, right,
Speaker 1: safaris taking people around, which I think is amazing and
Speaker 1: I think everyone should go on a safari if they can.
Speaker 1: You save your money up, go I want to do it.
Speaker 1: I want to take my whole family. I've been talking
Speaker 1: about this with you for years at this point, I
Speaker 1: promise at some point, but I have a question about economy.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that people say is good
Speaker 1: for a lot of countries in Africa and their economy,
Speaker 1: that sounds a little crazy to me. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Hunting big game. Is that in fact good for the
Speaker 1: economy or do crazy rich hunters tell people that so
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like they're doing something awful.
Speaker 5: So hunting is a very very tough subject to talk about,
Speaker 5: and I always avoid talking about it.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm glad, I ask you, yeah, because if you
Speaker 1: miss a point on that then it can backfire. Always. Well,
Speaker 1: that's how it is with anything you say. I promise
Speaker 1: you. You say I like dogs, people are gonna say, oh,
Speaker 1: you hate cats.
Speaker 3: Don't worry.
Speaker 5: So conservation started from hunting. As people were hunting and
Speaker 5: hunting and hunting, they couldn't find anything to hunt because
Speaker 5: they killed it all. They killed it all, and they're
Speaker 5: like whoo, so now we have to conserve. I will say,
Speaker 5: in my country, Kenya do not allow hunting. So I'll
Speaker 5: talk a little bit of my country that we do
Speaker 5: allow hunting in some of the areas. So we have
Speaker 5: categories of conservations. We have the National Park which is
Speaker 5: up there where it's only photographic.
Speaker 1: So they're hunting with cameras, yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, hunting with cameras.
Speaker 5: And then you have the Game Reserve where most of
Speaker 5: the hunting has been done. So the way they do
Speaker 5: the hunting in those areas, you get your plot as
Speaker 5: a company where you can hunt, you have to give
Speaker 5: the government the numbers estimated numbers of the animals that
Speaker 5: you have in that particular plot and estimating their ages
Speaker 5: so that the government knows what you have inside there.
Speaker 5: The government will give you a license to hunt mostly
Speaker 5: the old animals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like the very old buffalos, the very.
Speaker 1: Old which like is no prize. You're hunting an old animal,
Speaker 1: so what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Sorry, can see I have very strong feelings about this,
Speaker 1: but go ahead, Okay, so you get you can go
Speaker 1: sign up and hunt an old star.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I once asked someone from the government, like, why do
Speaker 5: you do it in such a way. Why can't the
Speaker 5: government meant clothes and say, you know, we're close hunting
Speaker 5: and stays that way. But then the game reserves were
Speaker 5: established as buffer zones between national parks and human settlement.
Speaker 5: So these guys that will have the game reserve and
Speaker 5: the hunting block, they will somehow try to cut the
Speaker 5: conflict between humans and wildlife. So you know, that's why
Speaker 5: I said, hunting is a very wide subject depending on
Speaker 5: how you do it.
Speaker 3: And personally against.
Speaker 1: Hunting from afart, yes you shouldn't.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't from what I said, you shouldn't say like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's appointing hunting. Not personally, I don't like hunting because
Speaker 5: I believe the animals have the right to live. If
Speaker 5: the government says, if they do it well it helps
Speaker 5: them to conserve some of the national parks on the
Speaker 5: game reserve, then I have got nothing to say against.
Speaker 1: Okay, but there are animals that are protected right, yes, elephants.
Speaker 5: So they cannot haunt elephants even though sometimes they tend.
Speaker 3: To which is right.
Speaker 1: I've seen people holding a task and makes me want
Speaker 1: to vomit. What about the leopards, I've seen leopards.
Speaker 5: They can leopards, they can hand lions, they cannot. I
Speaker 5: cannot hunt a giraffe because it's our national animal, and
Speaker 5: they cannot hunt rhino because they are endangered. They cannot
Speaker 5: haunt cheetens because they're endangered. They cannot hand wild dogs
Speaker 5: because they're endangered. But all in all, I believe every
Speaker 5: animal has got the right to live until it's killed
Speaker 5: by you know, by a wild animal. You know, it's
Speaker 5: sad because the other day I saw in the news
Speaker 5: that one of the elephants that was killed by a
Speaker 5: hunting company, and they got very sad because I have
Speaker 5: a trip going into that particular area specifically looking for
Speaker 5: this particular elephant in July, and now this elephant got killed.
Speaker 5: And that elephant was killed because the people that were
Speaker 5: there did not follow the rules and regulation that we
Speaker 5: are guiding them on how they can do their hunting.
Speaker 1: So what's the punishment for something like that if they
Speaker 1: find them?
Speaker 5: So the company is gonna get banned. Yeah, So that
Speaker 5: company is like gonna go down done. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 5: petition online about that. People are signing up for that.
Speaker 5: But I also see my country changing that very soon
Speaker 5: because there's been lots of pressure from conservation societies and
Speaker 5: everything agreeing them to stop hunting. So I'm sure at
Speaker 5: one point in the near future my government will go
Speaker 5: into that and stop hunting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I know that there's conflict even within that,
Speaker 1: because there are the conservationists who are there trying to
Speaker 1: protect the land and the animals, and then there are
Speaker 1: the poachers who come in, and that in itself causes
Speaker 1: all kinds of strife. So I don't even I mean,
Speaker 1: where do you begin to start if you want to
Speaker 1: make a difference and something like that, where do you
Speaker 1: even start?
Speaker 5: So the first thing you shoot start is have more
Speaker 5: facilities against the porches, because sometimes also the government gives
Speaker 5: these hunting blocks to people because they want to stop porches,
Speaker 5: they want to stop poaching. Okay, So we have organizations
Speaker 5: from the states, we have people from the states that
Speaker 5: have been very, very supportive. And then the second step
Speaker 5: now is to talk to the government that okay, we've
Speaker 5: provided you with this, and now you have enough to
Speaker 5: make sure that you can stop poaching and then let's
Speaker 5: close all of these hunting hunting blocks.
Speaker 1: That's what I would love to do. Z Igno is
Speaker 1: none of my business. I don't live there, but I
Speaker 1: just think, oh my god. I can't imagine how people
Speaker 1: would look at an animal and one of these creatures
Speaker 1: and think I should kill you. There's just something about
Speaker 1: big Game that really upsets me when I see people
Speaker 1: hunting it and I just I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: they're evil, but that's just me. So I have a question.
Speaker 1: You said something about a lot of the reserves being
Speaker 1: between where people are living and then like the fall
Speaker 1: on Wild. So there's a movie that came out when
Speaker 1: I was very little called The Ghosts in the Darkness. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Lions of the Tsavo. Yes, how true was that movie?
Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen the movie, it's about two
Speaker 1: allegedly man eating lions that terrorized this railroad that was
Speaker 1: being built.
Speaker 5: So that there are two movies. Oh, there's another of
Speaker 5: the same area. There's one called The Shadow of Kilimanjaro.
Speaker 5: It's the same area. This is about baboons.
Speaker 3: Was very very.
Speaker 5: Dry and the baboons did not have water and they
Speaker 5: start eating people.
Speaker 1: Wait, they were thirsty, so they eight people.
Speaker 3: They started eating people.
Speaker 1: I don't see that, okay, all right.
Speaker 5: And then there's that's the lanes are the main eating
Speaker 5: lines of Tavo. That's a true story. Actually, when they're
Speaker 5: building that railway station from Mombasa all the way to Nairobi,
Speaker 5: that's when it happened. And you know, they portrayed everything
Speaker 5: that can happen in real life on a safari if
Speaker 5: you don't listen.
Speaker 1: To your guys and if you try to touch something, yeah.
Speaker 5: And if you don't listen to the managers at the
Speaker 5: lodge when they're telling you, like, do not go out
Speaker 5: at night, not go on your own back to your
Speaker 5: tent at night, because you don't know what is happening.
Speaker 1: So okay. So to that point, you are camping in
Speaker 1: the middle of the serengari. There are lions and hyenas
Speaker 1: and cheetahs and the birds and all these different animals
Speaker 1: out there. How do you stay protected inside a tent?
Speaker 5: So these animals do not see tents as threat rather
Speaker 5: than they see tents as an object that they cannot
Speaker 5: go through. And so with those kinds of tents, we
Speaker 5: normally tell people if you go do that do not
Speaker 5: put food inside your tent, okay, because that can attract
Speaker 5: some animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Diamond and I learned that also when we went camping,
Speaker 1: they made us take all of like any snack that
Speaker 1: we had, we did take out of the RV in
Speaker 1: certain areas because they said the bears have such a
Speaker 1: good sense of smell that they will enter the RV.
Speaker 1: They will open the door and they will come in
Speaker 1: and they will forage for the snacks. So you know, me,
Speaker 1: I was like, we should leave some.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always you know, there's always that one person
Speaker 5: will say, you know, let's do it and see what
Speaker 5: will happen.
Speaker 1: Just see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's that's one thing.
Speaker 5: But with the most of the of the of the
Speaker 5: tinted camp that we do, so you'll have all the
Speaker 5: meals at the main area and everything. So they will
Speaker 5: escort you back to your tent. They'll make sure that
Speaker 5: everything is closed if you want everything to be closed.
Speaker 5: But I know, my like sleeping with my tent windows open.
Speaker 5: You know, you have a mosquit on it in between,
Speaker 5: so you see everything that is happening outside.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I would love that too. But if you can see out,
Speaker 1: then things can see in.
Speaker 5: You can without. These tents are mad. You can be
Speaker 5: inside and see outside, but the person who is outside
Speaker 5: cannot see inside.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, but when we're talking about tents, we're
Speaker 1: not talking about the little tent that you just all.
Speaker 1: It's a big tent and it's like glamping.
Speaker 3: Even yeah, it's even bigger than this room.
Speaker 1: Like then this room, and he's talking about the main studio,
Speaker 1: which is pretty big. Okay, so these big tents are there.
Speaker 1: It's like glamping. Also, right, you have bad you have
Speaker 1: a shower, so people want to come take us a fari.
Speaker 1: They're not roughing it. They're having a wonderful experience while
Speaker 1: they get to see all of it.
Speaker 5: So you have you're running water, you have your running toilets. Hang,
Speaker 5: we can hang your clothes. You have placeure we can
Speaker 5: put your bags. You know, you have a place where
Speaker 5: you can sit and enjoy like a lounge inside the tent.
Speaker 5: And then outside the tent you have chairs that you
Speaker 5: can sit and you know, radio book or enjoy the
Speaker 5: wilderness in front of you.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that sounds great. I'm really I hope that
Speaker 1: when Elvis said we're all gonna go and we're going
Speaker 1: to do this. We're going to broadcast from there. I
Speaker 1: hope it happens. It will Happenings crossed. If people want
Speaker 1: to find you and they want to book one of
Speaker 1: these trips, how do they find you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 5: Am I valuable? On Instagram? At Vienna is Untamed Expeditions.
Speaker 1: Which if you're listening to this right now, there is
Speaker 1: on link on my page.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I have a Facebook page it's the same
Speaker 5: name Viennese and TAMED Expeditions. And then my website which
Speaker 5: is www dot Vinasuntamed Expeditions dot com.
Speaker 1: And you say about ten days is an ideal time
Speaker 1: with travel.
Speaker 5: Travel, so you need at least not less than seven
Speaker 5: days of being on the safari. So if you have
Speaker 5: ten days plus traveling dates, that's that's a good idea.
Speaker 5: But also if you have more days you have Zanziba
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's a beach island that it's you know,
Speaker 5: you can go, I enjoy the beach. But also Zanzibar
Speaker 5: has got lots of history, you know, slavery, how the
Speaker 5: people from Oman into Zanzbag what they did you know,
Speaker 5: So apart from beach, you have a full day that
Speaker 5: you're going to learn about history, but also Zanziba. It's
Speaker 5: what we call a spice island for those who love language. Yeah,
Speaker 5: for those who loves to cook. Zanzba has over a
Speaker 5: one hundred different spicies that you can get and most
Speaker 5: of those spicies have been exported here to the state and.
Speaker 1: You can bring them back.
Speaker 3: You can bring them back amazing.
Speaker 5: So you know, we we have people have more days
Speaker 5: and after the Safari, we take them to Zanzba. They
Speaker 5: learn about the history of Zanzba, they line about the
Speaker 5: spicies of Zanzebra, and then we give them a day
Speaker 5: or two to lay down on the beach and recover.
Speaker 1: The beaches around Africa because I know one of the
Speaker 1: best places to go see great white is off the
Speaker 1: tip of South Africa. So the beach is around ZanZbar.
Speaker 1: How are we doing with sharks and stuff?
Speaker 3: There are no sharks there.
Speaker 1: You have to give me no sharks.
Speaker 5: They have to go a little bit further deep to
Speaker 5: get shacks and dolphins.
Speaker 1: But always a shark around.
Speaker 5: Always, But we've never had any encounter with the sharks
Speaker 5: in the beaches of z touch the woods.
Speaker 1: Yes, right here, we're going to knock on for Micah,
Speaker 1: here we go. And then the last question, is it
Speaker 1: true not to wear red around wild animals?
Speaker 3: Not not to wear but try.
Speaker 1: To avoid that's the same thing.
Speaker 5: You know, if that's the only thing you have, you
Speaker 5: can wear, okay, but if you can avoid that, then
Speaker 5: it will be good.
Speaker 1: So they really do see it, and they are attracted
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: It's not attracted, but red. It's a warning color.
Speaker 5: So mostly animals will react differently when they see something red.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Imagine you're seeing black and white and you have this
Speaker 5: red in front of you. It's a very strange object.
Speaker 5: But sitting in the vehicle, it's not a big problem.
Speaker 5: But when you're doing walking so far, yes it is.
Speaker 5: We have flies, so they are colors that attract flies.
Speaker 1: And one of them is no more that's all you
Speaker 1: need hate flies.
Speaker 5: One of them is black and blue. You know, we
Speaker 5: have a certain fly we call fly just a bigger,
Speaker 5: bigger in size compared to the house fly. So they
Speaker 5: attracted to the black and black and blue. So we
Speaker 5: try to tell people, you know, you try to avoid that,
Speaker 5: and so that you don't have flies.
Speaker 3: So it's not like their bigs everywhere.
Speaker 5: In Africa, so like bags will be stabing you everywhere.
Speaker 3: I've had people coming in with the bag space.
Speaker 1: And oh, yeah, that would be me.
Speaker 3: I never even used them.
Speaker 1: Really yeah.
Speaker 5: Some of them are like, oh, you don't even know
Speaker 5: why we bought them, surprising. I'm like, you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's rain season. Yes, you can have lots of bags
Speaker 5: because of the water, but the dry season you barely
Speaker 5: see bags.
Speaker 1: So I asked you that question because my boyfriend and
Speaker 1: I on our first date, we went to the Central
Speaker 1: Park Zoo. Have you been to the Central Park Zoo.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a small zoo, but they have this
Speaker 1: one area where the birds are kind of flying free
Speaker 1: and you can go walk through the middle and do whatever.
Speaker 1: And we were looking at a Victorian crowned pigeon, which
Speaker 1: I found out later that's what it was from Alex
Speaker 1: because it attacked us. So it came flying directly at us.
Speaker 1: And he said it was because I was wearing a
Speaker 1: jacket that had birds all over it. And he's like,
Speaker 1: it looked at that bird and it was like, oh
Speaker 1: hell no. But he had on a bright red shirt
Speaker 1: and I said, no, it was your shirt that triggered
Speaker 1: that bird. So now I'm going to tell him it
Speaker 1: was him based on this conversation, So just let me
Speaker 1: have that.
Speaker 3: So there are two things I have to defend him. Question.
Speaker 3: Me and him have a deal when it comes to Africa.
Speaker 3: We have a deal.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So animals can get.
Speaker 5: Aggressive when they see pictures of animals.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm gonna show you this jacket and it
Speaker 1: doesn't even look like birds. It's an Adidas jacket. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Wait finished what you're saying. I'm gonna find the jacket.
Speaker 3: So I've seen that with gorillas.
Speaker 5: I've seen that panzies, I've seen that with leopards, I've
Speaker 5: seen that with lions. I've seen that with baboons that
Speaker 5: they get they feel like you're trying to challenge them.
Speaker 1: What's no good?
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, so it could be was his red jacket.
Speaker 5: No where did the bird land first? Was it him
Speaker 5: or you?
Speaker 1: So it came I think it came at him, but
Speaker 1: it was intercepted by a handler before it actually touched
Speaker 1: either one of us. And I stuck my hand out
Speaker 1: because of course, I'm like, oh I could touch it.
Speaker 1: Let's see if this happens. He ducked. This is the jacket.
Speaker 1: I hope you can see it. Hold on, it's an
Speaker 1: Adidas athletic jacket, tropical parrot that doesn't even look like birds.
Speaker 5: That could attract because you see, there's lots of lots
Speaker 5: of things in there for a bad like your flowers.
Speaker 5: You have another bird in there, So.
Speaker 1: That's so you think this was more attractive to the
Speaker 1: bird than his bright red shirt. Damn it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: edit this out.
Speaker 5: So the red shirt could have been a warning color
Speaker 5: because out in the bush red it's a warning color,
Speaker 5: do not touch.
Speaker 1: And this was like, I'm flowers, come touch. Yeah, damn it.
Speaker 3: So like if I'm not that, I ask you this.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest.
Speaker 5: If you see a bud, if you see an animal,
Speaker 5: if you see an insect, if you see anything that
Speaker 5: has got a certain pattern that has got dread, do
Speaker 5: not touch it.
Speaker 1: All right, fine, fine, it was me, it wasn't him.
Speaker 1: I'm so upset at this. What a wait to any interview.
Speaker 1: But thank you Vina so much for joining me. I again,
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day if I had
Speaker 1: the chance, but I don't have that chance. So thanks.
Speaker 1: If people want to get ahold of you, it's linked
Speaker 1: right now in my Instagram story, so they can come
Speaker 1: check it out Vienna's Untamed Expeditions on Instagram or online.
Speaker 5: It is vienna is Untamed Expeditions dot com.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Vinna, Thank you for having me and looking
Speaker 5: forward to do this again always.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till you come back. Diamond. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you learn anything?
Speaker 6: Nothing that I'm actually gonna take with me Because if
Speaker 6: I'm in the woods or in the forest and an
Speaker 6: animal is chasing me, I think that my instinct will
Speaker 6: kick in.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to freeze. I'm out of there. And
Speaker 2: the whole swint was it's not going to chase you.
Speaker 1: If you don't run, I'll.
Speaker 2: Repent as I'm running.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Diamond learned no thing, So that's wonderful. All right,
Speaker 1: very informous, Andrew, you seem to really want to add
Speaker 1: something to the burn book. Yes, so, by all means,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 4: So I love love these shoes I'm wearing. Can I
Speaker 4: say the brand, of course? Okay, they're All Birds. All
Speaker 4: Birds makes great comfortable, cozy shoes and they're like slip
Speaker 4: on shoes.
Speaker 3: They're great.
Speaker 4: Okay, the running shoes are great too. The problem is
Speaker 4: they're made out of wool, so no matter where you
Speaker 4: are shuffling these feet to the minute you touch anything.
Speaker 4: It's like your super villain origin story where it's like
Speaker 4: I have powers, but I just keep zapping myself on
Speaker 4: everything and I can't stop. So All Birds, I love you,
Speaker 4: but like I can't with the zapping and the shocking anymore.
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. Like what if you had a
Speaker 1: weird heart rhythm or something and constantly getting zapped because
Speaker 1: of the shoes sent you over the edge, like that
Speaker 1: was what killed you.
Speaker 4: And they're the most aggressive zaps of all time, Like
Speaker 4: I heard that. I literally have seen electricity come out
Speaker 4: of my fingers from how much I'm shuffling in my
Speaker 4: All birds.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what not to touch. Do not touch
Speaker 1: these boards because it's possible. When they're so electrically charged
Speaker 1: in the first place, you're gonna get a good zap.
Speaker 1: But it's possible when you zap yourself that hard on
Speaker 1: one of these, you throw the whole board out of whack.
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen.
Speaker 2: I'm try it.
Speaker 1: Wait, just real quick, let's play his sound again.
Speaker 4: It hurts. And now I just charged myself up by
Speaker 4: moving my feet on the carpet, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Ready to go see if you see it's gonna hurt
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 1: Let's just to see you charge yourself up on purpose.
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't it hurts so bad?
Speaker 2: It's coming.
Speaker 1: Does it really hurt you like? Would you say it
Speaker 1: hurts or does it just like surprise you?
Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a snapping like you've been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I don't think it really hurts that bad.
Speaker 3: Here I go.
Speaker 1: If you don't know this about Andrew when he doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to say back to you, he just does
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing. But in that stupid voice.
Speaker 2: Please, Hey, it's the eye roll in the police.
Speaker 1: Police all right. Anyway, let's move on from this idiot
Speaker 1: to Diamond. Did someone give us a good ask me anything?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, And this is a question from Mike. I
Speaker 6: pronounced it earlier. I practiced it, Mike, I promise you,
Speaker 6: Mike Kawalinko.
Speaker 1: That sounds right.
Speaker 6: Cool, great, Mike, thanks for being here. And this is
Speaker 6: a question that I want to know the answer to.
Speaker 6: What's your net worth?
Speaker 1: Gandhi? Oh great question. I have no idea. I wish
Speaker 1: I knew. I don't know. My dad did call me
Speaker 1: once because he said he googled it and it said
Speaker 1: that I made like one point five million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: And I said, really, Dad, where did you find that information?
Speaker 1: That is so accurate? And we're laughing because that's far
Speaker 1: from accurate.
Speaker 4: So peoplefinder dot com doesn't have everyone's accurate networks.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know, I don't think. So he
Speaker 1: also told me, and this is accurate, that my net
Speaker 1: worth was somewhere between one thousand and five million dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, and that is a fact.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know. I actually, I'm not even joking
Speaker 1: when I say I don't know. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was very, very poor until I moved here, so I
Speaker 1: haven't made a lot of like really great financial decisions
Speaker 1: and moves. I just been kind of like hoarding my
Speaker 1: money whatever I make. So I need to sit down
Speaker 1: with an accountant, a financial advisor, whatever. I actually have
Speaker 1: an alarm set on my phone to do that so
Speaker 1: I can make some good smart investments because I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 4: I would like the dragon from the Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 4: the Hobbit, the one that just sits on their pile
Speaker 4: of gold, and it's like, I think his name is smog.
Speaker 2: Andrew, please get out out.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry. Does literature hurt your brain?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It does?
Speaker 2: Actually fight. If it's not Housewives, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I've really missed you too, being together. Yeah not him,
Speaker 1: feelings mutual.
Speaker 3: Thank god, I got it.
Speaker 1: Righted it all right? Where can they find you online? Andrew?
Speaker 1: People want your wit and wisdom.
Speaker 4: Andrew Pug. I'm only on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Okay, Diamond such a loser.
Speaker 6: It's at Diamond sincere and if you find me on Twitter,
Speaker 6: it has an underscore and.
Speaker 1: I think I'm unshadow band. So this is I'm pretty excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah at Baby Hot Sauce. And I'm no longer labeled
Speaker 1: as a pedophile, which was really a problem in my life.
Speaker 1: That was really a problem because it's not true. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we'll be back next week with another fun episode.
Speaker 1: I think maybe we'll have a comedian or someone in
Speaker 1: next day. We'll see all right, everybody say bye by
Speaker 1: bye h