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Speaker 1: All right, it's Sauce on the side. I'm Gandhi from

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Speaker 1: the Elvis Durrim Morning Show, and I'm here with my

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Speaker 1: two not one. I got both producers in here today,

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Speaker 1: Andrew and Diamond.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Hi?

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Speaker 3: Oh hi, oh hi.

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Speaker 1: I heard you get zapped and I am going to

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Speaker 1: play that soundback right now because it was the funniest

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Speaker 1: thing ever.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to add this to my burn books,

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Speaker 4: so I'll save that for the Oh there's a reason

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Speaker 4: why I got zapped.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm excited. We have an entry into the

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Speaker 1: Burn book. Wonderful from Andrew. All Right, today we have

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Speaker 1: our friend Vna. If you don't know Vna, he actually

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Speaker 1: came to us through Elvis because Elvis is the coolest

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Speaker 1: things in the world, and he went on a freaking

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Speaker 1: safari in Africa, started in Tanzania. There's not a lot

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Speaker 1: to really get into before we bring him in, so

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bring him in. So one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite people, definitely one of my favorite guests that we

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Speaker 1: have on the Big Show is here, Vna Panna. What

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Speaker 1: is your last name? Do you tell people?

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Speaker 5: I do Jacob Jacobwe.

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Speaker 1: Vna Jacob Gobwene. So you are the owner operator of

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Speaker 1: Vienna's Untamed Expeditions, which is basically my dream. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about it. What is it that you do for people

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Speaker 5: We organize safaris to East and Southern Africa to East Africa,

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Speaker 5: we organize safaris to Tanzania where I'm from, Kenya, Uganda

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Speaker 5: and Randa for the gorillas, and then in South Africa

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Speaker 5: as well, and we also do Cape Town to us

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Speaker 5: in South Africa as well.

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Speaker 1: So you do it all. You just said probably five

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Speaker 1: things that I'm super interested in. First of all Africa,

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Speaker 1: second of all gorillas, the safaris, Cape Town, all of it.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Safari Yes, how did you get

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Speaker 1: into being a Safari guy? I know you're from Tanzania

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Speaker 1: or as you used to say, Tanzania, and now I

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Speaker 5: Know, it's a different pronunciation, but all that's the same meaning.

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Speaker 5: So my father used to be a Safari guide and

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Speaker 5: I learned a lot about wildlife from him, and I

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Speaker 5: developed that passion of wanting to become a guide. Around seventeen,

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Speaker 5: one of my high school teachers called me in and said,

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Speaker 5: you know what, I think you should become a safari

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Speaker 5: guide okay, and asked him why. He said, you know,

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Speaker 5: because you've been doing great. We had these clubs and

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Speaker 5: so he was always there listening. So he said to me,

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Speaker 5: I think you'll make a good safari guide. So when

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Speaker 5: I finished high school, I went for my guiding college

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Speaker 5: and sixteen years later, yeah, I am doing guiding amazing.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the animals that you will encounter

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Speaker 1: have encountered on the safaris. Obviously. Will the beasts buffalo yes,

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Speaker 3: Yes, monkeys, monkeys yes, okay.

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Speaker 5: Baboons, leopards, you know, jackals, rhinos, hippos, crocodiles.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot, and the one you say is the

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Speaker 1: most terrifying. You don't encounter often, but if you did,

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Speaker 3: The black mama, the black member.

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Speaker 1: Will you will you tell people why of all those

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Speaker 1: they are right, You're most afraid of a black mamba

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Speaker 1: All of those it's the black Mamba.

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Speaker 5: Why black member is what you call a deadly snake

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Speaker 3: You encounter them, they strike.

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Speaker 5: They are very fust that they can strike up to

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Speaker 1: Run that everybody you're with, nobody can run because you

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Speaker 5: It gives you thirty minutes and you're more likely done.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen somebody actually get bitten? I like,

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Speaker 1: I saw Kill Bill. I don't know if you've seen

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen that movie yet.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, what do you encounter the most.

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Speaker 1: I want to believe it's elephants, but I don't know

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Speaker 5: We have a group of animals we call habibos. That's

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Speaker 5: like your ideas, no means yeah, vegetarians. Vegetarians. So those

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Speaker 5: The reason being in para leaves in what we call

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Speaker 3: But elephants also likes to be in woodlands.

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Speaker 1: They're the real king of the jungle. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why everybody talks about it being a lion. I don't

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Speaker 1: even live in the jungle. That's crazy. But yes, as

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Speaker 5: You'll find elephants in the woodland, but sometimes they'll come

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Speaker 5: So you don't really encounter elephants as much as you'll

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Speaker 1: Elephants are really smart too, right, and they're sick human.

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Speaker 5: I think after dolphins, elephants at the second ones.

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Speaker 5: I would put it within between buffaloes and elephants.

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Speaker 5: So starting with the elephants, I was still a young

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Speaker 5: So we stopped so the car could not start. You

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Speaker 5: So we couldn't switch off the vehicle. As we were

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Speaker 5: So he said, keep on revising. If I tell you

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Speaker 5: That's same with the buffaloes. If you find the head

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Speaker 1: Hold on, that's always what you want to hear from

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Speaker 5: So if I go towards him, there's a chance that

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Speaker 5: Because so you don't know where that animal is coming from.

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Speaker 5: You listen, I've come across leopards doing walking safaris. We

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh, leopards at the toughest. Yeah, they're very, very

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Speaker 3: And she growl and stood up and ran away. Oh,

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Speaker 5: We were loud, yeah, but if you go quietly, it's well,

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Speaker 5: now you ambush the animals. You know, it's a nature,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now I told you about my podcast idea.

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Speaker 1: Can I touch it? Where I want to go into

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Speaker 5: So he started doing his project years back. You know,

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Speaker 5: He has a place where he's doing that down south.

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Speaker 5: But mostly they're like animal firms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can touch some and you cannot touch some.

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Speaker 1: So far, everything that I've tried to touch has allowed

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Speaker 5: The government will give you a license to hunt mostly

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Speaker 5: I believe the animals have the right to live. If

443
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 5: the government says, if they do it well it helps

444
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 5: them to conserve some of the national parks on the

445
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 5: game reserve, then I have got nothing to say against.

446
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: Okay, but there are animals that are protected right, yes, elephants.

447
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 5: So they cannot haunt elephants even though sometimes they tend.

448
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: To which is right.

449
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: I've seen people holding a task and makes me want

450
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: to vomit. What about the leopards, I've seen leopards.

451
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: They can leopards, they can hand lions, they cannot. I

452
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 5: cannot hunt a giraffe because it's our national animal, and

453
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 5: they cannot hunt rhino because they are endangered. They cannot

454
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 5: haunt cheetens because they're endangered. They cannot hand wild dogs

455
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 5: because they're endangered. But all in all, I believe every

456
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 5: animal has got the right to live until it's killed

457
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 5: by you know, by a wild animal. You know, it's

458
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 5: sad because the other day I saw in the news

459
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 5: that one of the elephants that was killed by a

460
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 5: hunting company, and they got very sad because I have

461
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: a trip going into that particular area specifically looking for

462
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 5: this particular elephant in July, and now this elephant got killed.

463
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 5: And that elephant was killed because the people that were

464
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 5: there did not follow the rules and regulation that we

465
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 5: are guiding them on how they can do their hunting.

466
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: So what's the punishment for something like that if they

467
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: find them?

468
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 5: So the company is gonna get banned. Yeah, So that

469
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 5: company is like gonna go down done. Yeah, there's a

470
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 5: petition online about that. People are signing up for that.

471
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 5: But I also see my country changing that very soon

472
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 5: because there's been lots of pressure from conservation societies and

473
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 5: everything agreeing them to stop hunting. So I'm sure at

474
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: one point in the near future my government will go

475
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 5: into that and stop hunting.

476
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I know that there's conflict even within that,

477
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: because there are the conservationists who are there trying to

478
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: protect the land and the animals, and then there are

479
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: the poachers who come in, and that in itself causes

480
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: all kinds of strife. So I don't even I mean,

481
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: where do you begin to start if you want to

482
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: make a difference and something like that, where do you

483
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: even start?

484
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 5: So the first thing you shoot start is have more

485
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 5: facilities against the porches, because sometimes also the government gives

486
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 5: these hunting blocks to people because they want to stop porches,

487
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 5: they want to stop poaching. Okay, So we have organizations

488
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 5: from the states, we have people from the states that

489
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 5: have been very, very supportive. And then the second step

490
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 5: now is to talk to the government that okay, we've

491
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 5: provided you with this, and now you have enough to

492
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 5: make sure that you can stop poaching and then let's

493
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 5: close all of these hunting hunting blocks.

494
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: That's what I would love to do. Z Igno is

495
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: none of my business. I don't live there, but I

496
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: just think, oh my god. I can't imagine how people

497
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: would look at an animal and one of these creatures

498
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: and think I should kill you. There's just something about

499
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: big Game that really upsets me when I see people

500
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: hunting it and I just I don't know. I think

501
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: they're evil, but that's just me. So I have a question.

502
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: You said something about a lot of the reserves being

503
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: between where people are living and then like the fall

504
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: on Wild. So there's a movie that came out when

505
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I was very little called The Ghosts in the Darkness. Yes,

506
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: the Lions of the Tsavo. Yes, how true was that movie?

507
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen the movie, it's about two

508
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: allegedly man eating lions that terrorized this railroad that was

509
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: being built.

510
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: So that there are two movies. Oh, there's another of

511
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 5: the same area. There's one called The Shadow of Kilimanjaro.

512
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 5: It's the same area. This is about baboons.

513
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: Was very very.

514
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 5: Dry and the baboons did not have water and they

515
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: start eating people.

516
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: Wait, they were thirsty, so they eight people.

517
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: They started eating people.

518
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't see that, okay, all right.

519
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 5: And then there's that's the lanes are the main eating

520
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 5: lines of Tavo. That's a true story. Actually, when they're

521
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 5: building that railway station from Mombasa all the way to Nairobi,

522
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 5: that's when it happened. And you know, they portrayed everything

523
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 5: that can happen in real life on a safari if

524
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 5: you don't listen.

525
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: To your guys and if you try to touch something, yeah.

526
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 5: And if you don't listen to the managers at the

527
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 5: lodge when they're telling you, like, do not go out

528
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 5: at night, not go on your own back to your

529
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: tent at night, because you don't know what is happening.

530
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: So okay. So to that point, you are camping in

531
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Speaker 1: the middle of the serengari. There are lions and hyenas

532
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: and cheetahs and the birds and all these different animals

533
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: out there. How do you stay protected inside a tent?

534
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 5: So these animals do not see tents as threat rather

535
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 5: than they see tents as an object that they cannot

536
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: go through. And so with those kinds of tents, we

537
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: normally tell people if you go do that do not

538
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 5: put food inside your tent, okay, because that can attract

539
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: some animals.

540
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Diamond and I learned that also when we went camping,

541
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: they made us take all of like any snack that

542
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: we had, we did take out of the RV in

543
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: certain areas because they said the bears have such a

544
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: good sense of smell that they will enter the RV.

545
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: They will open the door and they will come in

546
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: and they will forage for the snacks. So you know, me,

547
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I was like, we should leave some.

548
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always you know, there's always that one person

549
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 5: will say, you know, let's do it and see what

550
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 5: will happen.

551
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Just see.

552
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's that's one thing.

553
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 5: But with the most of the of the of the

554
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 5: tinted camp that we do, so you'll have all the

555
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: meals at the main area and everything. So they will

556
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 5: escort you back to your tent. They'll make sure that

557
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: everything is closed if you want everything to be closed.

558
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 5: But I know, my like sleeping with my tent windows open.

559
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 5: You know, you have a mosquit on it in between,

560
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 5: so you see everything that is happening outside.

561
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: I love that.

562
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: I would love that too. But if you can see out,

563
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: then things can see in.

564
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 5: You can without. These tents are mad. You can be

565
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 5: inside and see outside, but the person who is outside

566
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 5: cannot see inside.

567
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, but when we're talking about tents, we're

568
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: not talking about the little tent that you just all.

569
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: It's a big tent and it's like glamping.

570
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Even yeah, it's even bigger than this room.

571
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: Like then this room, and he's talking about the main studio,

572
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: which is pretty big. Okay, so these big tents are there.

573
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: It's like glamping. Also, right, you have bad you have

574
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: a shower, so people want to come take us a fari.

575
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: They're not roughing it. They're having a wonderful experience while

576
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: they get to see all of it.

577
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 5: So you have you're running water, you have your running toilets. Hang,

578
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 5: we can hang your clothes. You have placeure we can

579
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 5: put your bags. You know, you have a place where

580
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 5: you can sit and enjoy like a lounge inside the tent.

581
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: And then outside the tent you have chairs that you

582
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: can sit and you know, radio book or enjoy the

583
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 5: wilderness in front of you.

584
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that sounds great. I'm really I hope that

585
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: when Elvis said we're all gonna go and we're going

586
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: to do this. We're going to broadcast from there. I

587
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: hope it happens. It will Happenings crossed. If people want

588
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: to find you and they want to book one of

589
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: these trips, how do they find you?

590
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: So?

591
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 5: Am I valuable? On Instagram? At Vienna is Untamed Expeditions.

592
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Which if you're listening to this right now, there is

593
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: on link on my page.

594
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 5: Yes, and I have a Facebook page it's the same

595
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: name Viennese and TAMED Expeditions. And then my website which

596
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 5: is www dot Vinasuntamed Expeditions dot com.

597
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: And you say about ten days is an ideal time

598
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: with travel.

599
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 5: Travel, so you need at least not less than seven

600
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 5: days of being on the safari. So if you have

601
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: ten days plus traveling dates, that's that's a good idea.

602
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: But also if you have more days you have Zanziba

603
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's a beach island that it's you know,

604
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: you can go, I enjoy the beach. But also Zanzibar

605
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 5: has got lots of history, you know, slavery, how the

606
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 5: people from Oman into Zanzbag what they did you know,

607
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: So apart from beach, you have a full day that

608
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 5: you're going to learn about history, but also Zanziba. It's

609
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: what we call a spice island for those who love language. Yeah,

610
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: for those who loves to cook. Zanzba has over a

611
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 5: one hundred different spicies that you can get and most

612
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: of those spicies have been exported here to the state and.

613
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: You can bring them back.

614
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: You can bring them back amazing.

615
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 5: So you know, we we have people have more days

616
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 5: and after the Safari, we take them to Zanzba. They

617
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 5: learn about the history of Zanzba, they line about the

618
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 5: spicies of Zanzebra, and then we give them a day

619
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 5: or two to lay down on the beach and recover.

620
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: The beaches around Africa because I know one of the

621
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: best places to go see great white is off the

622
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: tip of South Africa. So the beach is around ZanZbar.

623
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: How are we doing with sharks and stuff?

624
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: There are no sharks there.

625
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: You have to give me no sharks.

626
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 5: They have to go a little bit further deep to

627
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 5: get shacks and dolphins.

628
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: But always a shark around.

629
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 5: Always, But we've never had any encounter with the sharks

630
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: in the beaches of z touch the woods.

631
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: Yes, right here, we're going to knock on for Micah,

632
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: here we go. And then the last question, is it

633
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: true not to wear red around wild animals?

634
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: Not not to wear but try.

635
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: To avoid that's the same thing.

636
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 5: You know, if that's the only thing you have, you

637
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: can wear, okay, but if you can avoid that, then

638
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 5: it will be good.

639
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: So they really do see it, and they are attracted

640
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: to it.

641
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: It's not attracted, but red. It's a warning color.

642
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 5: So mostly animals will react differently when they see something red.

643
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: You know.

644
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: Imagine you're seeing black and white and you have this

645
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: red in front of you. It's a very strange object.

646
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: But sitting in the vehicle, it's not a big problem.

647
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: But when you're doing walking so far, yes it is.

648
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: We have flies, so they are colors that attract flies.

649
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: And one of them is no more that's all you

650
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: need hate flies.

651
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: One of them is black and blue. You know, we

652
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: have a certain fly we call fly just a bigger,

653
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 5: bigger in size compared to the house fly. So they

654
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: attracted to the black and black and blue. So we

655
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: try to tell people, you know, you try to avoid that,

656
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 5: and so that you don't have flies.

657
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: So it's not like their bigs everywhere.

658
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: In Africa, so like bags will be stabing you everywhere.

659
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: I've had people coming in with the bag space.

660
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: And oh, yeah, that would be me.

661
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: I never even used them.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah.

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Speaker 5: Some of them are like, oh, you don't even know

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Speaker 5: why we bought them, surprising. I'm like, you know, it's

665
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: it's rain season. Yes, you can have lots of bags

666
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: because of the water, but the dry season you barely

667
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 5: see bags.

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Speaker 1: So I asked you that question because my boyfriend and

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00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I on our first date, we went to the Central

670
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Speaker 1: Park Zoo. Have you been to the Central Park Zoo.

671
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of a small zoo, but they have this

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00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: one area where the birds are kind of flying free

673
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Speaker 1: and you can go walk through the middle and do whatever.

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Speaker 1: And we were looking at a Victorian crowned pigeon, which

675
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: I found out later that's what it was from Alex

676
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: because it attacked us. So it came flying directly at us.

677
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: And he said it was because I was wearing a

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Speaker 1: jacket that had birds all over it. And he's like,

679
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: it looked at that bird and it was like, oh

680
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: hell no. But he had on a bright red shirt

681
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: and I said, no, it was your shirt that triggered

682
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: that bird. So now I'm going to tell him it

683
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: was him based on this conversation, So just let me

684
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Speaker 1: have that.

685
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Speaker 3: So there are two things I have to defend him. Question.

686
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: Me and him have a deal when it comes to Africa.

687
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: We have a deal.

688
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: Okay.

689
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: So animals can get.

690
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 5: Aggressive when they see pictures of animals.

691
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm gonna show you this jacket and it

692
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: doesn't even look like birds. It's an Adidas jacket. Anyway,

693
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Wait finished what you're saying. I'm gonna find the jacket.

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Speaker 3: So I've seen that with gorillas.

695
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 5: I've seen that panzies, I've seen that with leopards, I've

696
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 5: seen that with lions. I've seen that with baboons that

697
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: they get they feel like you're trying to challenge them.

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Speaker 1: What's no good?

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, so it could be was his red jacket.

700
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: No where did the bird land first? Was it him

701
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 5: or you?

702
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: So it came I think it came at him, but

703
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: it was intercepted by a handler before it actually touched

704
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: either one of us. And I stuck my hand out

705
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: because of course, I'm like, oh I could touch it.

706
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: Let's see if this happens. He ducked. This is the jacket.

707
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: I hope you can see it. Hold on, it's an

708
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Adidas athletic jacket, tropical parrot that doesn't even look like birds.

709
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 5: That could attract because you see, there's lots of lots

710
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 5: of things in there for a bad like your flowers.

711
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 5: You have another bird in there, So.

712
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: That's so you think this was more attractive to the

713
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: bird than his bright red shirt. Damn it, I'm gonna

714
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: edit this out.

715
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 5: So the red shirt could have been a warning color

716
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 5: because out in the bush red it's a warning color,

717
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 5: do not touch.

718
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: And this was like, I'm flowers, come touch. Yeah, damn it.

719
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: So like if I'm not that, I ask you this.

720
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest.

721
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 5: If you see a bud, if you see an animal,

722
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: if you see an insect, if you see anything that

723
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 5: has got a certain pattern that has got dread, do

724
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 5: not touch it.

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00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: All right, fine, fine, it was me, it wasn't him.

726
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm so upset at this. What a wait to any interview.

727
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: But thank you Vina so much for joining me. I again,

728
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day if I had

729
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: the chance, but I don't have that chance. So thanks.

730
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: If people want to get ahold of you, it's linked

731
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: right now in my Instagram story, so they can come

732
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: check it out Vienna's Untamed Expeditions on Instagram or online.

733
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: It is vienna is Untamed Expeditions dot com.

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Speaker 1: Perfect.

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 5: Thank you, Vinna, Thank you for having me and looking

736
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 5: forward to do this again always.

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00:35:53,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait till you come back. Diamond. Yeah, did

738
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: you learn anything?

739
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 6: Nothing that I'm actually gonna take with me Because if

740
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 6: I'm in the woods or in the forest and an

741
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 6: animal is chasing me, I think that my instinct will

742
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 6: kick in.

743
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: I'm not going to freeze. I'm out of there. And

744
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: the whole swint was it's not going to chase you.

745
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: If you don't run, I'll.

746
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: Repent as I'm running.

747
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Diamond learned no thing, So that's wonderful. All right,

748
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: very informous, Andrew, you seem to really want to add

749
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: something to the burn book. Yes, so, by all means,

750
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: go ahead.

751
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 4: So I love love these shoes I'm wearing. Can I

752
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 4: say the brand, of course? Okay, they're All Birds. All

753
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: Birds makes great comfortable, cozy shoes and they're like slip

754
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: on shoes.

755
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: They're great.

756
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 4: Okay, the running shoes are great too. The problem is

757
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: they're made out of wool, so no matter where you

758
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: are shuffling these feet to the minute you touch anything.

759
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: It's like your super villain origin story where it's like

760
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: I have powers, but I just keep zapping myself on

761
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 4: everything and I can't stop. So All Birds, I love you,

762
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: but like I can't with the zapping and the shocking anymore.

763
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. Like what if you had a

764
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: weird heart rhythm or something and constantly getting zapped because

765
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: of the shoes sent you over the edge, like that

766
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: was what killed you.

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00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: And they're the most aggressive zaps of all time, Like

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00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: I heard that. I literally have seen electricity come out

769
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: of my fingers from how much I'm shuffling in my

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00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: All birds.

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what not to touch. Do not touch

772
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: these boards because it's possible. When they're so electrically charged

773
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: in the first place, you're gonna get a good zap.

774
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: But it's possible when you zap yourself that hard on

775
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: one of these, you throw the whole board out of whack.

776
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen.

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00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: I'm try it.

778
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: Wait, just real quick, let's play his sound again.

779
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 4: It hurts. And now I just charged myself up by

780
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 4: moving my feet on the carpet, and I'm.

781
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: Ready to go see if you see it's gonna hurt

782
00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: so bad.

783
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Let's just to see you charge yourself up on purpose.

784
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't it hurts so bad?

785
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: It's coming.

786
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Does it really hurt you like? Would you say it

787
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: hurts or does it just like surprise you?

788
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a snapping like you've been.

789
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I don't think it really hurts that bad.

790
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: Here I go.

791
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: If you don't know this about Andrew when he doesn't

792
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: have anything to say back to you, he just does

793
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing. But in that stupid voice.

794
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: Please, Hey, it's the eye roll in the police.

795
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Police all right. Anyway, let's move on from this idiot

796
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: to Diamond. Did someone give us a good ask me anything?

797
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

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00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, And this is a question from Mike. I

799
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 6: pronounced it earlier. I practiced it, Mike, I promise you,

800
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 6: Mike Kawalinko.

801
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: That sounds right.

802
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 6: Cool, great, Mike, thanks for being here. And this is

803
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 6: a question that I want to know the answer to.

804
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 6: What's your net worth?

805
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: Gandhi? Oh great question. I have no idea. I wish

806
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I knew. I don't know. My dad did call me

807
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: once because he said he googled it and it said

808
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: that I made like one point five million dollars a year.

809
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: And I said, really, Dad, where did you find that information?

810
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: That is so accurate? And we're laughing because that's far

811
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: from accurate.

812
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: So peoplefinder dot com doesn't have everyone's accurate networks.

813
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know, I don't think. So he

814
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: also told me, and this is accurate, that my net

815
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: worth was somewhere between one thousand and five million dollars,

816
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: you know, and that is a fact.

817
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take it.

818
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know. I actually, I'm not even joking

819
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: when I say I don't know. I don't know. I

820
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: was very, very poor until I moved here, so I

821
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: haven't made a lot of like really great financial decisions

822
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: and moves. I just been kind of like hoarding my

823
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: money whatever I make. So I need to sit down

824
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: with an accountant, a financial advisor, whatever. I actually have

825
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: an alarm set on my phone to do that so

826
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I can make some good smart investments because I have

827
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: no idea.

828
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 4: I would like the dragon from the Lord of the Rings,

829
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: the Hobbit, the one that just sits on their pile

830
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: of gold, and it's like, I think his name is smog.

831
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: Andrew, please get out out.

832
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry. Does literature hurt your brain?

833
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

834
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: It does?

835
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: Actually fight. If it's not Housewives, I don't care.

836
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: I've really missed you too, being together. Yeah not him,

837
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: feelings mutual.

838
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: Thank god, I got it.

839
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: Righted it all right? Where can they find you online? Andrew?

840
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: People want your wit and wisdom.

841
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: Andrew Pug. I'm only on Instagram.

842
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Diamond such a loser.

843
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 6: It's at Diamond sincere and if you find me on Twitter,

844
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 6: it has an underscore and.

845
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm unshadow band. So this is I'm pretty excited.

846
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah at Baby Hot Sauce. And I'm no longer labeled

847
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: as a pedophile, which was really a problem in my life.

848
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: That was really a problem because it's not true. Yeah.

849
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: So we'll be back next week with another fun episode.

850
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I think maybe we'll have a comedian or someone in

851
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: next day. We'll see all right, everybody say bye by

852
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: bye h