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Speaker 3: be rejoining us, I'm sure on Tuesday. But we had
Speaker 3: some big news going down yesterday. I know you have
Speaker 3: an article up on Dallas Cowboy Cowboys making a signing
Speaker 3: Eric Kendricks, a linebacker. Big question now is that going
Speaker 3: to change things from the draft. But what stands out
Speaker 3: to you about the Cowboys signing Eric Kendricks, who certainly
Speaker 3: has a good connection and familiarity with Mike Zimmer Cowboys
Speaker 3: new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent, just kind of walking you through
Speaker 4: the day yesterday we were yesterday morning, we all woke
Speaker 4: up thinking Eric Hendricks would be a San Francisco forty
Speaker 4: nine or that was who he had agreed to join
Speaker 4: whenever the legal tampering period was going on earlier in
Speaker 4: the week. And then you know, as the day went on,
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer made a call and Eric Kendricks made a call,
Speaker 4: and sure enough the two were able to agree on
Speaker 4: a deal before last night. And when I walked out
Speaker 4: of the building yesterday, there wasn't any buzz about anything.
Speaker 2: That's why I left the building.
Speaker 4: And when I was on my way home on the road,
Speaker 4: Eric Kendricks news drops. So these things come together fast,
Speaker 4: and this was definitely one that I think helps the
Speaker 4: Cowboys in the long run. For sure, we know that
Speaker 4: they needed a presence there in the second level, and
Speaker 4: not only a presence, but they needed a big, reliable
Speaker 4: tackler and a guy that can stop the run.
Speaker 2: Eric Hendricks is on the back half of his career.
Speaker 2: I think I think.
Speaker 4: Everybody can agree on that his best football is behind him,
Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean that he cannot be productive for
Speaker 4: this defense. And they just need somebody to fill those
Speaker 4: gaps and stop the run. That's all they need a
Speaker 4: linebacker to do there in the second level. I think
Speaker 4: Eric Kendricks gives them that they didn't have it last year.
Speaker 4: I think if you throw a presence like Eric hendrickson
Speaker 4: for the playoff game against Screen Bay, I'm not saying
Speaker 4: it's a different result, but they're having to change some
Speaker 4: things with that running game. Aeron Jones probably doesn't have
Speaker 4: as productive of a day as he'd had. Eric Hendricks
Speaker 4: comes to the Cowboys eight straight seasons with one hundred
Speaker 4: plus tackles. In that same stretch, the Cowboys have only
Speaker 4: had nine one hundred plus tacklers.
Speaker 3: So that's an amazing STATA think it what?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, a lot of those are safeties too, which
Speaker 2: is why half of those are safeties.
Speaker 3: But struggled with injuries, you know, you've had a lot
Speaker 3: of mistime at that position.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for Eric Hendricks, we're talking about on
Speaker 4: field presence. We're talking about the run stopping, we talk
Speaker 4: about filling the gaps. I'm talking about leadership aspect as well,
Speaker 4: not only having the rapport with Mike Zimmer that he'll
Speaker 4: be able to kind of bring in and be that
Speaker 4: symmetry with the defense, to be able to, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of a force of smooth transition with those guys.
Speaker 4: He can quarterback that defense. He knows what that defense is.
Speaker 4: He played in it for eight seasons under Mike or
Speaker 4: seven seasons under Mike Zimmer in Minnesota. He was drafted
Speaker 4: by Mike Zimmer. Those two have a really good relationship,
Speaker 4: and I think he's going to be an extension of
Speaker 4: what Mike Zimmer can bring to this defense in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the most.
Speaker 4: Important piece that he brings, is that leadership aspect and
Speaker 4: making all eleven guys around him better. He's going to
Speaker 4: be a great locker room guy. The media is going
Speaker 4: to love him. He's a great interview too. I'm excited
Speaker 4: to see what Eric Hendrick brings to this building against
Speaker 4: His best football is behind him, but I think he
Speaker 4: can bring a lot to this team next year.
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned the IQ, the ability to readiagnose react certainly.
Speaker 3: Maybe is he a step slower than he was in
Speaker 3: his twenty nineteen All Pro season? Yeah, absolutely, you could
Speaker 3: look at that. But I think for me, the big
Speaker 3: thing that jumps out is, you know Zim's introductory pressure,
Speaker 3: what did he talk about? He wants to get everybody
Speaker 3: speaking the same language. Eric Kendricks is going to help
Speaker 3: be a player on the field that outside of the
Speaker 3: coaching staff, he can get everybody on the same page
Speaker 3: speaking that same language. Maybe he wears the green dot
Speaker 3: defensively as well. So now the big question will be,
Speaker 3: and I know you mentioned you've gotten that a lot.
Speaker 3: I've seen that too, does this end up changing the
Speaker 3: Cowboys plans in the NFL draft with linebacker? You got
Speaker 3: de Moone Clark, You've got Eric Kendricks, you got Micah
Speaker 3: I mean, do you want to play him more off ball?
Speaker 3: You certainly still have Demarvin overshown, but expecting most likely
Speaker 3: Layton Vanderesh not to be a part of this thing.
Speaker 3: And then Mark e Spell does he shift back to safety?
Speaker 3: I think absolutely linebacker is still in play in the draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it is talking about the linebacker room really quick.
Speaker 4: You mentioned to Marvin Overshown coming back from that ACL injury.
Speaker 4: The expectation is that he'll be back in time for
Speaker 4: training camp, so he'll be able to step into that
Speaker 4: second level and not only bring youth, but I think
Speaker 4: he brings a little bit of a creative experience as
Speaker 4: well from his days at Texas because he played in
Speaker 4: the third level, he played in the second level, he
Speaker 4: lined up off the edge as a pass rush. I mean,
Speaker 4: he has so much knowledge of the of the game
Speaker 4: on the on the defensive side of the ball. He's
Speaker 4: already clicking with Mike Zimmer. I think he's going to
Speaker 4: bring an added element to the defense and I think
Speaker 4: some people might forget about not Texas fans, though I
Speaker 4: know they're not.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then Demon Clark being able to bring what he
Speaker 4: brought last year bringing that back Layton vanderresh A decision
Speaker 4: is not made yet with with his future. There's still
Speaker 4: a lot of back and forth as far as medical
Speaker 4: opinions and things of the sort going on there. We'll
Speaker 4: see how his future plays out. But with or without
Speaker 4: Layton vander sh I think Eric Kendricks does bring that
Speaker 4: that that middle linebacker presence that you do need and
Speaker 4: its reliability. But talking about the draft specifically, they're going
Speaker 4: to go get another linebacker. We look at the depth.
Speaker 4: When only one healthy linebacker is left on the fifty
Speaker 4: three man roster at the end of the season, you
Speaker 4: got to go get multiple.
Speaker 2: It's not just going to be Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 4: Only two thirty visits have been reported so far, and
Speaker 4: it's Trevin Wallace linebacker out of Kentucky and Edrin Cooper
Speaker 4: linebacker out of Texas A and M. So if both
Speaker 4: of those guys that they're going to be in the building,
Speaker 4: they're they are going to be looking at them really hard.
Speaker 4: In the draft. They are going to go get another guy.
Speaker 4: Does it become less of a priority maybe because you
Speaker 4: look at the tackle position, you look at the center position,
Speaker 4: running back. Those positions need to get addressed. So it
Speaker 4: may not be a Day two position anymore. It could be,
Speaker 4: but it may not be anymore. It gives you a
Speaker 4: little bit more flexibility there, but you still have to
Speaker 4: go get another body in that room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you absolutely do. And I think that's interesting with
Speaker 3: Eddrian Cooper. I think we're both on the same page,
Speaker 3: and I think everybody here on the Draft show, there's
Speaker 3: not a first round linebacker that we look at and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, you know, if Peyton Wilson were healthy,
Speaker 3: we said that a bunch maybe if Peyton Wilson were healthy,
Speaker 3: he'd be your guy. But I do think that this
Speaker 3: looks like, okay, how the Cowboys board is falling. It's
Speaker 3: probably offensive line in my opinion. In the first round.
Speaker 3: Running back is still definitely a need that maybe you
Speaker 3: prioritize ahead of linebacker now, but third round you could
Speaker 3: look at it. Fourth round, I think there's going to
Speaker 3: be some options. We've talked about it with Tommy Eikenberg
Speaker 3: from Ohio State. Could be a name, Jalen Ford out
Speaker 3: of Texas. Which range is he going to go? He
Speaker 3: could be in that third fourth round range. Tyron Hopper
Speaker 3: Massoo linebacker, which we could talk a little bit about.
Speaker 3: I know you mentioned that was a formal visit, yeah,
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys there at the Combine, and you know,
Speaker 3: he's a player. I don't know if we've really brought
Speaker 3: him up and talked about him a ton. I was
Speaker 3: watching him after you mentioned that he was a formal visit.
Speaker 3: That's a dude that's got coverage ability, He's got speed,
Speaker 3: he's got some instincts. There's a lot to like about
Speaker 3: his game as well. And then we mentioned a lot
Speaker 3: during you know, the Shrine Bowl and the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Darius Muissow of UCLA is another very instinctive player that
Speaker 3: you could get there at day three. So there's a
Speaker 3: lot of options to where now you probably don't have
Speaker 3: to press at the position, but there's players that you
Speaker 3: still like that could come in and give you some
Speaker 3: added depth and value.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Talking about Tyron Hopper, I compared him to Mike mcfatten
Speaker 4: and of the New York Giants on my notes here.
Speaker 4: Really long frame that I think is it really shows
Speaker 4: up in open field tackling, and you need a guy
Speaker 4: that can be reliable and tackling in that second level.
Speaker 4: He probably lacks the instincts that you want there in
Speaker 4: the second level. He doesn't feel run lanes correctly every
Speaker 4: single time. But I think having a presence like Eric
Speaker 4: Kendrick or DeMont Clark to Marvin Overshown, that's going to
Speaker 4: help increase that and get that better for Hopper, that's
Speaker 4: coaching and that can get better as time goes on.
Speaker 4: I bank on those traits. I bank on that length
Speaker 4: and athleticism. Yeah, I think Tyron Hopper would be a
Speaker 4: great addition to this linebacker room. But there's going to
Speaker 4: be options there on Day three. If they feel like
Speaker 4: they need to wait until Day three to go get
Speaker 4: that linebacker to add in that room, I mean there's
Speaker 4: still gonna be some guys. I mean you mentioned Jalen Ford,
Speaker 4: a potential around three round four option. Trevin Wallace, as
Speaker 4: we mentioned, is a top thirty visits. That's a Day
Speaker 4: three guy. John Trey Hunter out of Georgia State, that's
Speaker 4: a guy I've really enjoyed watching. And Nathaniel Watson out
Speaker 4: of Mississippi State was a first team l secer last
Speaker 4: year for the Bulldogs and being able to be there
Speaker 4: in that second level and be really productive. You want
Speaker 4: to get a productive guy who played in a good
Speaker 4: conference as Nathaniel Watson, and then Tyrese Knight, one of
Speaker 4: the more athletic linebackers in the class out of futen
Speaker 4: So and then one other formal meeting that they had
Speaker 4: that's kind of in that Day three range from Washington
Speaker 4: edufuan Ulafohio.
Speaker 3: I got thrushed in.
Speaker 4: I think I did. So we're just gonna roll with it.
Speaker 4: But that's another guy that they're looking at there in
Speaker 4: that day three range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting name as well. I mean you
Speaker 3: mentioned more on Hopper three seasons of Florida transfer there
Speaker 3: to Missou and he trusted it. When you talk about
Speaker 3: athleticism scores at the Combine, he had the third best
Speaker 3: overall athletic score bunk linebackers of the Combine long fast.
Speaker 3: I think I agree with what you see there when
Speaker 3: it comes to the instincts, there were times I felt
Speaker 3: like he's a little hesitant because he doesn't trust his
Speaker 3: eyes and what he's seeing. It's like he's got the
Speaker 3: athletic ability to be there, he sees it. He just
Speaker 3: takes a beat a little late to process at times,
Speaker 3: and he gets a little lost when he's having to
Speaker 3: play in zone. But really good athlete. I think I've
Speaker 3: got a five on him, so you could definitely get
Speaker 3: him day three. But there's options there. I don't think
Speaker 3: that this changes things at all at linebacker. And again,
Speaker 3: like in the second round, we'll go through some options here.
Speaker 3: I went through and found three different mock draft scenarios.
Speaker 3: What would we like, I mean, if somebody's sitting there
Speaker 3: in the second or third round, if it's a junior
Speaker 3: Colton from Michigan or you know, an and Edgrin Cooper
Speaker 3: from Texas A and M. If he's the best player
Speaker 3: on your board there at fifty six, I don't think
Speaker 3: the Cowboys you're saying, oh no, Eric Kendricks is not Yeah,
Speaker 3: We're not going to go ahead and pull the trigger
Speaker 3: if they really like a guy like Edrian Cooper.
Speaker 2: From the day and M I agree.
Speaker 4: I think if Cooper's there at fifty six, that's almost
Speaker 4: like a BPA type pick that you would have to
Speaker 4: be able to make impair him in that room. Now,
Speaker 4: it kind of depends on what you do in the
Speaker 4: first round. We've talked about either tackle or center, and
Speaker 4: as free agency plays out, we're starting to get a
Speaker 4: clear picture of what exactly is going to be upfront
Speaker 4: next season. I still feel like tackle is the more
Speaker 4: bigger priority for me. You know, you have guys at
Speaker 4: center that can compete with each other and step in
Speaker 4: and get that starting opportunity. I don't feel like you
Speaker 4: have that at left tackle right now. Will it be
Speaker 4: perfect at center, absolutely not, and there's a good chance
Speaker 4: that doesn't work out, But I think it's a better
Speaker 4: chance it works out then if you roll out, what's
Speaker 4: there at left tackle? So for me, it's left tackle
Speaker 4: in the first round. Absolutely got to be able to
Speaker 4: have a guy that can plug and play.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of options.
Speaker 4: I think they're going to have to be really open
Speaker 4: mind as far as swift switching guys from right tackle
Speaker 4: to left tackle. You look at Tyler Gueyton, you look
Speaker 4: at Marius Mint and what they have brought to their
Speaker 4: respective teams. Do you feel comfortable moving them to left tackle.
Speaker 4: That'd be a question that they would have to ask themselves.
Speaker 4: We've talked about Jordan Morgan's short arms. Do it very
Speaker 4: comfortable leaving him out there at left tackle with guys
Speaker 4: that can get on his chest pretty easily?
Speaker 3: A lot of teams. I wonder if the Cowboys look
Speaker 3: at him as a guard and not a tackle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's certainly a question, and we talked a
Speaker 4: lot about it on Tuesday on the show. I think
Speaker 4: whatever team does draft him, they're gonna have to be
Speaker 4: okay with guys getting up on his chest, and they're
Speaker 4: gonna have to be okay with his power. If he can,
Speaker 4: if he can be able to mitigate that that deficiency.
Speaker 4: But I think with Jordan Morgan, he still does have
Speaker 4: the athleticism if he wanted to play out of tackle.
Speaker 2: But for me, he's a guard.
Speaker 4: I would rather see him at guard there in that
Speaker 4: phone booth type type range. But going back to priorities
Speaker 4: as far as first round goes, I'd be okay with
Speaker 4: the center if they drafted them, if they drafted one
Speaker 4: in the first round, but get that tackle, especially in
Speaker 4: this tackle class, make sure you get a good one
Speaker 4: that can step in it left tackle. I think you
Speaker 4: can figure out center either as the draft goes on
Speaker 4: or as a preseason goes on.
Speaker 3: With the two guys you got, I'm with you. I
Speaker 3: just feel forty two days away the closer we get
Speaker 3: that pick at twenty four. Unless you just completely get wiped,
Speaker 3: it's going to be an offensive tackle. And the two
Speaker 3: guys that I think I'm kind of looking at that
Speaker 3: they're probably gonna take would be Geidon Tyler Guiden from Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: But if Amarus Mims is there out of Georgia, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's the pick. The problem is, I think
Speaker 3: a Marius Mims my Texas tested his way into the
Speaker 3: top fifteen picks. I think there's a team that is
Speaker 3: looking at Amarus Mims and saying this could be the
Speaker 3: best tackle four years from now in a very rich
Speaker 3: tackle draft, and they're gonna go ahead and say he's
Speaker 3: too good to pass up. The one that's interesting to
Speaker 3: me if you were to fall is JC Latham out
Speaker 3: of Alabama. Because Latham, to me is a true right tackle.
Speaker 3: Do they feel as though you could kick him over
Speaker 3: to the left side. I just wonder if he's athletic enough.
Speaker 3: I love him, I absolutely do super consistent, beautiful kickout
Speaker 3: lateral movement. I think you can play a little high
Speaker 3: at times and depending on hand positioning, can get caught
Speaker 3: on the outside. But he is nasty. Absolutely love his
Speaker 3: play temperament that I think you can kick inside to
Speaker 3: guard more so than I think he could play left tackle.
Speaker 3: That's a big question with JAYC. Latham. I wonder if
Speaker 3: he's him and Kingsley shuaim At tiad A Byu I
Speaker 3: think are the two guys I'm looking at and saying, man,
Speaker 3: I think they might have to stay on the right side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little difficult too, and I think this
Speaker 4: is really where the scouts will be tested as far
Speaker 4: as is there a guy that you see that has
Speaker 4: played right tackle mostly during his college career that you
Speaker 4: can feel comfortable playing on the left side. I mean,
Speaker 4: you mentioned Kingsley, Sue Mattia, you got Tyler Giden, you
Speaker 4: got let's see Amarus Mims, jayc Latham, I mean Talisi Fuaga,
Speaker 4: I mean all these guys primarily right tackle during their days.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can look at Patrick Paul if you
Speaker 4: feel comfortable moving on him in the second round.
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about him. There isn't as much
Speaker 2: comfort there.
Speaker 4: Jordan Morgan primarily left tackle, but we talked about the
Speaker 4: short arms a little bit. Graham Barton primarily left tackle
Speaker 4: at Duke, but he's an interior guy. We've talked about
Speaker 4: him as a center option and feeling comfortable with him
Speaker 4: being a center option. So there's going to be a
Speaker 4: lot that's going to be falling on these scouts as
Speaker 4: far as looking at these tackles and seeing what they
Speaker 4: seeing what they do at right tackle that can translate
Speaker 4: to the left side and they can swing one.
Speaker 3: Of the other positions that I wonder if for you,
Speaker 3: if you're thinking, Okay, we've talked about tackle, We've talked
Speaker 3: about center. How much of a pressing need is running
Speaker 3: back now becoming. With Tony Pollard gone to the Tennessee
Speaker 3: Titans in free agency, Cowboys still have not made a
Speaker 3: move at running back right now. Technically, Rico Daubel is
Speaker 3: still a free agent and out there and available. Is
Speaker 3: running back depending on what happens between now and the
Speaker 3: NFL Draft, becoming more of a pressing need to wear. Hey,
Speaker 3: at fifty six in the second round, there's a trade
Speaker 3: Benson from Florida State. Maybe you love Jonathan Brooks and
Speaker 3: they know more about the medical than any other team
Speaker 3: in the National Football League since their team doctor did
Speaker 3: that surgery. If they want him, they go ahead and say, hey,
Speaker 3: running back now is becoming more of a priority on
Speaker 3: our board.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think so, regardless of what happens here
Speaker 4: in free agency, you're going to have to go get
Speaker 4: one in the draft, you would think. And as these
Speaker 4: days go on and these big running back come off
Speaker 4: the board, and you know, we talked about Zach Moss
Speaker 4: a little bit on the show these last few meet
Speaker 4: He was that dude that that was my guy as
Speaker 4: far as and his price went a little bit higher
Speaker 4: than the Cowboys expected. They were involved in those conversations
Speaker 4: up up until the very end, but eventually ended up
Speaker 4: with the Cincinnati Bengals on a four million dollars a
Speaker 4: year deal.
Speaker 2: So now you're looking at guys like JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 4: Are you comfortable with him coming off of all those injuries?
Speaker 4: Clyde Edwards, E Lair hasn't really been productive as a
Speaker 4: first round pick out of Kansas City, but it's still
Speaker 4: young at twenty four, Deonta Foreman, Ezekiel Elliott, Return, Alexander Madison.
Speaker 4: I mean, so there's still some young guys in the
Speaker 4: free agent market, but regardless, you're gonna have to go
Speaker 4: draft a guy that you can develop around whatever free
Speaker 4: agent pickup that you do make, because you need a
Speaker 4: young guy on a young contract for four years that
Speaker 4: can come in and be ready to bring you explosion
Speaker 4: out of that backfield.
Speaker 2: That's what Dak Prescott needs, us, what this offense needs.
Speaker 3: Good thing is and we've mentioned maybe not as good
Speaker 3: of a running back class as last year, but there's
Speaker 3: guys we like Jalen Wright. We joked about that out
Speaker 3: at Tennessee. Love him in the third round. If he
Speaker 3: were there, I would pull the trigger brayln Allen. Another
Speaker 3: guy that they talked with ATA Wisconsin big back six '
Speaker 3: to two, Isaac Garndo out of Louisville. I think his
Speaker 3: gain in steam throughout this process than otdteric estimate, of
Speaker 3: course had a notre dame. I think he's also a
Speaker 3: very very intriguing player, A guy that I have seen
Speaker 3: and I know after the combine has got a lot
Speaker 3: of buzz is Tyrone and Tracy Junior from Purdue, and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much we've really given him time
Speaker 3: and talked about him on the draft show. That's a
Speaker 3: guy converted wide receiver, just spent his first year at
Speaker 3: running back, sixth year senior, spent his last two years
Speaker 3: at Purdue. Started his career at Iowa. I believe his
Speaker 3: first year was actually a community college and then he transferred.
Speaker 3: But you see the obviously he's got the wide receiver
Speaker 3: ability to run routes. He's shifting the open field. The
Speaker 3: issue is pass protection. You know, in that scenario where
Speaker 3: we were talking with Brian brought us in the g
Speaker 3: back Nation yesterday, Brian was arguing for AJ Dillon as
Speaker 3: a free agent addition because of his pass protection ability.
Speaker 3: Tracy junior or something. I don't think he can do it.
Speaker 3: He's just so raw. He just doesn't know what he's doing, yes,
Speaker 3: sliding and picking guys up, But my gosh, you can
Speaker 3: see the traits, the upside, the burst, the natural ability
Speaker 3: in open field. With Tyrone Tracy Junior five eleven to
Speaker 3: two h nine out of Purdue against Michigan. You know
Speaker 3: he's a guy that he tough s letting, but eventually
Speaker 3: you know he's gonna pop a big run throughout the game.
Speaker 3: So that's a name that I think teams are looking
Speaker 3: at Day three. If they don't end up taking one
Speaker 3: of their guys, maybe he could be a steal later rounds.
Speaker 3: The one running back I want to throw out there
Speaker 3: that I'm not super high on that I know people
Speaker 3: have been asking about is Jawar Jordan out of Louisville.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel about Jawar Jordan, but
Speaker 3: I did not love the tape on him. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's a guy in the red zone certainly, I mean,
Speaker 3: he showed some ability there, and he's also a bigger
Speaker 3: back like Braylan Allen. But I just didn't see a
Speaker 3: ton of upside compared to some of these other running
Speaker 3: backs that we've talked about.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I don't even think he's the best running back on
Speaker 4: his team coming out of this gem Yeah process, here's
Speaker 4: being firing up the highlights.
Speaker 2: Let's go Beam.
Speaker 4: I put in my notes he's a downhill runner with
Speaker 4: intriguing three down ability, although I don't trust it. And
Speaker 4: it's because whenever you see him run out into open
Speaker 4: field outside of the tackles, literally as he's running out
Speaker 4: in the open field here, but whenever you get him
Speaker 4: outside of the tackles, he doesn't have that consistent production
Speaker 4: that you would see out of Isaac Grindo or one
Speaker 4: of these other even one of these other big backs.
Speaker 4: And as I'm saying this, man, Beam's just firing out
Speaker 4: every outside run that he can find in the film
Speaker 4: back there.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you a little bit there. On Jawar Jordan.
Speaker 4: The one thing I might disagree with you with is
Speaker 4: I think he does have complimentary back potential. I think
Speaker 4: he can come in and be able to be a
Speaker 4: complimentary back in the system, just kind of depending on
Speaker 4: whatever back that you getting free agency. If you're looking
Speaker 4: at it from a Cowboys perspective, he might be an
Speaker 4: intriguing guy to have in those red zone red zone
Speaker 4: opportunities like you mentioned.
Speaker 3: And the receiving ability. You just saw a highlight there
Speaker 3: if you're watching it, he does have that to be
Speaker 3: able to help out. But to me, he's a guy
Speaker 3: that you know, I just I think in an outside
Speaker 3: zone scheme, those type of teams are gonna look at him,
Speaker 3: whether that's in San Francisco and Miami a Green Bay,
Speaker 3: they might look at him and be like, Okay, we
Speaker 3: love him, but I don't see a super physical guy
Speaker 3: to get a ton of push and short yardage, lacks
Speaker 3: some power, he's long. Apparently he's a really really good
Speaker 3: character guy as well, which I think teams are gonna like.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna crush the meetings. But he's got some
Speaker 3: intriguing traits. But for me, there's just running backs in
Speaker 3: this draft class that I like a little bit more
Speaker 3: than Juwar Jordan running back into Louisville five ten, one
Speaker 3: eighty five. Okay, let's do some Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 3: coming up on the other side, and then I've got
Speaker 3: three different three round Monck scenarios. We're gonna go through these,
Speaker 3: which stack do we like better? Twitter on the twenty
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Speaker 3: All right, it is time for one of the best
Speaker 3: segments in the history of the Draft show. Zach Wilchuck
Speaker 3: hanging out with Nick Harris with you on this Thursday,
Speaker 3: and we like to call that some Twitter on the
Speaker 3: twenty Twitter on. All right, Nick, you have taken on
Speaker 3: the responsibilities today for figuring out these draft questions. I
Speaker 3: hope we got some good ones today. Fire them off.
Speaker 2: Yeah we were.
Speaker 4: We didn't quite have Kyle's you know, presence on Twitter
Speaker 4: on the twenty this time around, but we still got some.
Speaker 4: We still got some good good questions here. This one
Speaker 4: comes from Joe Demeyo. Give me your favorite pairing of
Speaker 4: a veteran running back still available in free agency along
Speaker 4: with a draft pick for the Cowboys. His example was
Speaker 4: sign aj Dillon, draft Trey Benson. Take it wherever you
Speaker 4: gentlemen wish. I'm gonna let you start with this one.
Speaker 3: Zach Okay well, I do love Trey Benson. I think
Speaker 3: Trey Benson is the top running back in this year's draft.
Speaker 3: I am not super big on AJ Dillon. I think
Speaker 3: he is an injury prone back, but hey, that would
Speaker 3: be a good implement because I think Trey Benson is
Speaker 3: a three down back. For me, you look at his
Speaker 3: ability not only in the passing game. I love his
Speaker 3: running style. I think he's downhill. He certainly gives you
Speaker 3: some speed burst. I think he's got long speed home
Speaker 3: running ability, and I think he's actually solid in pass protection.
Speaker 3: But that's where A J. Dillon to me, excels. If
Speaker 3: you're looking for a complimentary guy, I think AJ Dillon
Speaker 3: can come in there and be a good pass pro.
Speaker 3: And then maybe you're looking at more of a speed player.
Speaker 3: But I'm in on that. I mean Trey Benson to me,
Speaker 3: he's the top back if you're drafting him. Eventually, he
Speaker 3: is going to be the workhorse back in your backfield.
Speaker 3: AJ Dillon is going to fall back into similar to
Speaker 3: what he was behind Chris Jones there at Green Bay.
Speaker 3: Eventually that's going to be Trey Benson's RB one job
Speaker 3: to lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who was the free agent you're parenting with you,
Speaker 2: said AJ Dillon.
Speaker 3: Well, if I had to pair anybody with a free
Speaker 3: I think Dante Foreman. I think Dante Foreman is the
Speaker 3: one free agent pact that's out there right now that
Speaker 3: I would like to bring in. I think he's used
Speaker 3: to that. He's filled those roles in Carolina, he did
Speaker 3: it last year with Chicago. He's an unselfish player. I
Speaker 3: think he's also a very well rounded back. So I'd
Speaker 3: go Foreman paired with a Benson or a Jalen Wright
Speaker 3: or a Ray Davis out of Kentucky and adri est
Speaker 3: Tom whichever running back that you want to get. But
Speaker 3: Benson's without question. If I had to take any running
Speaker 3: back in this draft, he'd be my guy.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, this is probably the all injury duo
Speaker 4: with JK. Dobbins and Jonathan Brooks, so that probably would
Speaker 4: not work out. I think the ceiling would be incredibly
Speaker 4: high with that duo, but that's not necessarily my pick.
Speaker 4: I am going to stick with Jonathan Brooks for this
Speaker 4: scenario though, and going to pair him up with AJ
Speaker 4: Dillon and look at being firing up Jonathan Brooks. I
Speaker 4: love what Jonathan Brooks brings and I think coming off
Speaker 4: of the injury, he will be just fine his recovery.
Speaker 4: We've been hearing things about it over and over again
Speaker 4: about how he's gonna be ready for training camp. He's
Speaker 4: going to be ready to step in whenever he's drafted
Speaker 4: and pick up things very quickly.
Speaker 2: Out of Halllettsville, Texas.
Speaker 4: There in Central Texas was a really productive runner, a
Speaker 4: top ten Texas high school football all time rusher, and
Speaker 4: then went to Texas, had the one year as a
Speaker 4: starter this past year and did really well and excelled.
Speaker 4: I think if he ended up finishishing the season, he
Speaker 4: would have been a big part of what they did
Speaker 4: in the playoff against Washington, maybe even helps push them
Speaker 4: to a win. But if you pair him with AJ Dillon,
Speaker 4: then AJ Dillon he can come to the building, he
Speaker 4: can bring you that veteran presence, and he kind of
Speaker 4: serves as a buffer for Jonathan Brooks to get healthy,
Speaker 4: to get one hundred percent back on the field. And
Speaker 4: I think by the time you're looking up week four,
Speaker 4: week five, you have a really talented backfield with Jonathan
Speaker 4: Brooks probably taking on the majority of the carries, and
Speaker 4: then you have a AJ Dillon that can take on
Speaker 4: most of the brute force and it can kind of
Speaker 4: take some take some stuff off of Jonathan Brooks's plate.
Speaker 2: I think that would be a really fun pairing.
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting is in my notes I put
Speaker 3: for Jonathan Brooks is DeMarco Murray a crazy comp for him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I see where you're going with that.
Speaker 4: I see you re goal with that because he can
Speaker 4: get out an open field as the pass protection ability boy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's boom or bust. I understand where you're coming from there.
Speaker 4: This next one comes from Christian Conte. How likely is
Speaker 4: it that a center and a tackle are picked in
Speaker 4: the first three rounds? If that is the case, who
Speaker 4: would your ideal duo be? How likely is it? I
Speaker 4: mean I put it at like seventy percent? Man, I
Speaker 4: think you have to get as of right now where
Speaker 4: free agency stands, you have to get those two positions
Speaker 4: early on in the draft. You've got to have guys
Speaker 4: that can kind of come into those scenarios and be
Speaker 4: able to at least compete for a starting job. Who
Speaker 4: my ideal pairing would be, Gosh, it would be getting
Speaker 4: Amarus Mims throwing him out to left tackle, and then
Speaker 4: you're kind of hoping Zach Frazier's there at fifty six.
Speaker 4: But if he's not, I'm okay with Cedric Van Prang
Speaker 4: Granger in.
Speaker 3: The third man. That is tough. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 3: agree with you. I think it's very, very high. In fact,
Speaker 3: i'd go like eighty percent. I think that they're most
Speaker 3: likely coming away either picks one to two, one three.
Speaker 3: They're going offensive line. I think in the first round.
Speaker 3: I think, if I had to choose, I don't love
Speaker 3: this the way that it stretches with tackles as much
Speaker 3: as some others do. I mentioned the Yale offensive tackle
Speaker 3: I do like quite a bit if they had to
Speaker 3: wait on that. I'm with you on Mims, just to
Speaker 3: be different. If he fell, I don't think he did.
Speaker 3: My ideal solution would be Troy font Neu at a Washington,
Speaker 3: the offensive tackle. He's absolutely fantastic. I don't know if
Speaker 3: he'll fall. I've changed my opinion on him because I
Speaker 3: thought the opposite of Jordan Morgan. I thought font new
Speaker 3: is a guard and he has that build, But then
Speaker 3: he ended up being much taller at the combine when
Speaker 3: he went ahead and weighed in and he did his
Speaker 3: height weight, So to me, I think he can play tackle.
Speaker 3: He's got the athletic building. That was never a conversation
Speaker 3: for me. At center, I'm with Jon van Prant, the
Speaker 3: other guy, if indeed they get wiped, would be Bowlimber
Speaker 3: at Arkansas. I always come back to bow Limmer. I
Speaker 3: love the way that he competes. Is he a little
Speaker 3: bit smaller. Maybe people will watch what Devandre Sweat did
Speaker 3: to him there at the Senior ball. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've got to see that rep. But he comes
Speaker 3: right back and he battles his rear off right afterwards.
Speaker 3: He's a dude. He's got great bass, strong anchor pad
Speaker 3: leverage is something that is just natural for him. I
Speaker 3: do love me some bow Limmer. If indeed you get
Speaker 3: wiped and you're not able to get some of these
Speaker 3: top centers, so that'd be a tandem that would excite me.
Speaker 3: Is fought new and Limmer.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is an interesting scenario here from Anthony O'Donnell.
Speaker 4: He says, in this scenario, you're trading back in the
Speaker 4: first and picking up a pick or two. Okay, if
Speaker 4: Sweat is still on the board around fifty or so,
Speaker 4: do you trade up and grab him with those extra
Speaker 4: two picks that you kind of have as a buffer
Speaker 4: to be able to do that? Now if you don't
Speaker 4: get extra picks. This is probably not a scenario, but
Speaker 4: a Devandre Sweat is sitting there and you see a
Speaker 4: defensive tackle with his size, with his ability that could
Speaker 4: definitely help you on day one.
Speaker 2: Do you do that in that scenario?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I think that I need my picks. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no. I like T. Sweat, but to me,
Speaker 3: he's not a player that I'm going to be aggressive
Speaker 3: to move up and get. To be honest, the defensive
Speaker 3: tackle that would get me a little bit more fired
Speaker 3: up that I'm saying. Goodness, gracious, I can't deny how
Speaker 3: delicious his tape is. Is Braydon Fisk from Florida State
Speaker 3: that guy. I mean, he's got some of the most
Speaker 3: eye popping, wowing tape that you will see in the
Speaker 3: entire class. I love T. Sweat. He's got a really
Speaker 3: really rare combination of size and speed. But his beamer's
Speaker 3: doing an excellent job going back and forth. Brydon Fisk
Speaker 3: is just a playmaker. I think you add an ability
Speaker 3: to come in wide, strong build inside the middle to
Speaker 3: help against the run, but he's got way more upside
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher. To me, he's violent, he's dominant,
Speaker 3: high character guy. Leader of that defense there at Florida
Speaker 3: State that was absolutely exceptional. I love Braydon Fisk. I'd
Speaker 3: consider moving up to go and get him. I don't
Speaker 3: think I would for Defandre Sweat. But the big thing is,
Speaker 3: I just think you need those picks and you could
Speaker 3: address defensive tackle if you wanted to a little bit later.
Speaker 3: And they look like that's where they're going to go
Speaker 3: because I know you did an excellent job hustle and
Speaker 3: trying to figure out some names. They were talking to,
Speaker 3: Mason Smith out of LSU being one of those guys,
Speaker 3: McKinley Jackson in a Texas A and m to me,
Speaker 3: those are early day three guys. I think that's where
Speaker 3: they're going to address defensive tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Complete defensive tackle list that they interviewed at the combine
Speaker 4: formally Christiankin's out of Michigan, Brandon Dorles out of Oregon,
Speaker 4: to Andandre Sweat out of Texas, Rooque or Ro out
Speaker 4: of Clemson, McKinley Jackson out of Texas A and m
Speaker 4: Mason Smith out of La Shoe and Michael Hall Junior
Speaker 4: out of Ohio State, so they spend a lot of
Speaker 4: time at that position in Indianapolis. This next one comes
Speaker 4: from Anthony Gibbs. With the lack of free agent signings
Speaker 4: and missing the fourth fifth round pick, Granty, you get
Speaker 4: the fifth back in the comp but I see where
Speaker 4: you're going. Would you consider trading back from both your
Speaker 4: first and your second to gain extra picks? He says
Speaker 4: he feels like it's a must this year. I don't
Speaker 4: think it's a must. I think trading back in your
Speaker 4: in the first round, yeah, it's a high possibility. I
Speaker 4: think if you're looking there at pick twenty one and
Speaker 4: a lot of these tackles are flying off the board,
Speaker 4: Jackson Powers, Johnson's off the board, and you see an
Speaker 4: opportunity to move back three or four spots to still
Speaker 4: pick up a Graham Barton or still pick up a
Speaker 4: Jordan Morgan. I think that's a very very realistic option
Speaker 4: as we look up on April twenty fifth. But doing
Speaker 4: it in the second round, I don't necessarily feel that
Speaker 4: because whenever you look at the second round value and
Speaker 4: the guys that they can get at that pick at
Speaker 4: fifty six every single time, whether it be a Zach
Speaker 4: Frazier or a Eddrian Cooper to Andre Sweat, it's like, gosh,
Speaker 4: I wish we were about six picks earlier. And I
Speaker 4: don't feel like you're going to have that luxury whenever
Speaker 4: you're sitting there at fifty six, because if you move
Speaker 4: back three or four spots, you're probably going to miss
Speaker 4: out on three or four guys you.
Speaker 2: Would have drafted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you can move back in the
Speaker 3: second round. I agree with your first round. I get it.
Speaker 3: There is a scenario where you can move back. Maybe
Speaker 3: you're still able to get a Tyler Guyton out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: You know another name in the second round that I
Speaker 3: think would be in play if he's there and you're
Speaker 3: not able to address center would be Christian Haines from Yukon. Yes,
Speaker 3: love me some Christian Haynes. I know you've been high
Speaker 3: on him as well. You know I do love Bebe
Speaker 3: as well. But I think Christian Haynes athletically would be
Speaker 3: able to kick over and play center better than Cooper
Speaker 3: Beebe would when you compare the two of them. So
Speaker 3: I don't think you can move back in the second round.
Speaker 3: I'm okay with sliding back a couple of picks. I've
Speaker 3: seen some mock trades that I do like with the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: specifically flipping maybe it's Buffalo there at twenty eight because
Speaker 3: I think that's where maybe you can still get Graham
Speaker 3: Barton in play and sign me up for that. I
Speaker 3: love me some Graham Barton. He's still the apple of
Speaker 3: my eye among these offensive linemen. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I'm in on sliding back on day one. I think
Speaker 3: that's ultimately going to give you enough draft capital so
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about that on day two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Being firing up Christian Haynes here out of Ukon, we
Speaker 4: talked about his versatility as a guard but also playing
Speaker 4: at center, and he got some center reps at the
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl and shined in those in those reps. If
Speaker 4: y'all recall the Senior Bowl rep where Jordan Jefferson and
Speaker 4: him kind of got into it and Jordan Jefferson threw
Speaker 4: his helmet around. That was Christian Haynes, but a really
Speaker 4: high character.
Speaker 2: Dude as well. He'd be awesome off the field.
Speaker 4: Our next question here comes from my guy Brandon Lourie,
Speaker 4: He said, looking at a potential trade back scenario. As
Speaker 4: we're talking about trade back scenarios, you're on the clock.
Speaker 4: I picked number twenty four in your phone rings. It's
Speaker 4: to Baltimore Ravens. They lost the starting guard and traded
Speaker 4: their right tackle in free agency. Graham Barton and Amarius
Speaker 4: Men's are on the board, and you feel like they're
Speaker 4: going to take them. But Baltimore offers you picks thirty,
Speaker 4: so they have thirty in the first round and two fourths,
Speaker 4: which is one thirteen and one thirty five to trade back.
Speaker 2: Do you do it?
Speaker 4: Risking both offensive linemen not being their six and if
Speaker 4: you miss out it's an out of conference team. You
Speaker 4: might not feel so bad losing those players, but potential
Speaker 4: of losing Graham Barton and Amarius Mems picking up pick
Speaker 4: thirty and two fourth round picks.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not doing that one. It's Baltimore and you
Speaker 3: know that just good foot players always follow them every
Speaker 3: year we're doing this, we're looking well. Of course, of
Speaker 3: course that ends up being a Baltimore Raven. No, if
Speaker 3: Mary's Mems is there at twenty four, I'm running the
Speaker 3: card in I'm not hesitating. To me, He's probably the
Speaker 3: best case scenario if you want one of these offensive tackles,
Speaker 3: just because you look at the talent. The upside, if
Speaker 3: the Cowboys evaluate him and say, hey, that's our dude
Speaker 3: in the first round, they know what they're doing. They
Speaker 3: clearly hit on first round offensive linemen all the time.
Speaker 3: And his tape I get it. You know, that's a
Speaker 3: question I've been asking a lot the eight games. Does
Speaker 3: that make you nervous? Know, it doesn't, because when you
Speaker 3: look at the games that he played and you see
Speaker 3: the talent is there. Against Ohio State in that playoff matchup,
Speaker 3: he was absolutely outstanding. There's times where he gets out
Speaker 3: there in space and he's so darn big and athletic.
Speaker 3: I think he's just with the lack of awareness, in
Speaker 3: the lack of playing time where he's not sure who
Speaker 3: do I need a blog? But I think with coaching
Speaker 3: the upside, Amarus Mims has everything that you could possibly
Speaker 3: want in an offensive tackle skill set. I am not
Speaker 3: passing on him. If he's there at twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to lean no on this scenario as well.
Speaker 4: I'd probably maybe lean into it a little bit more
Speaker 4: if it was a third and a fourth or a
Speaker 4: second and a third.
Speaker 2: But what if either way?
Speaker 3: Is it which player is that's making you say I
Speaker 3: can't I can't get off of this? Is it Mems?
Speaker 2: It's Memes? Yeah? So it because I feel like Barton
Speaker 2: could be there at thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah I do too. I do too. If it's Mems
Speaker 3: sub him out with Geiton, are you willing to make
Speaker 3: the trade? Duh, Yeah, Mims is gone. It's Geiton or Barton.
Speaker 2: I still don't feel great about it. Gosh, that's tough.
Speaker 2: That was tough because I go back.
Speaker 3: I'll make the trade. Then I go back, and I'm
Speaker 3: not sold on Guiden as much as as some others,
Speaker 3: and I like him, but I feel much better if
Speaker 3: I were able to get an extra pick slide back.
Speaker 3: I'll take the risk on Mems because I think that
Speaker 3: the trades are rare with him. With Geyiton, I see
Speaker 3: definitely a player that played a lot more transferd from
Speaker 3: TCU to Oklahoma for those that don't know. But I'm
Speaker 3: not as optimistic and confident in his ability. I certainly
Speaker 3: would not be upset if he was to pick at
Speaker 3: twenty four. There's traits and things that I like about
Speaker 3: Guiden's game, but I'd feel much better about adding those
Speaker 3: picks and moving back in that scenario, it's Memes that
Speaker 3: I'm not wanting to get off of.
Speaker 4: Then I'll fall on the trust of my trusted mid
Speaker 4: south A scout A Zach walchok Am, I right, and
Speaker 4: I'll trade back.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it dating, Let's do that.
Speaker 4: Let's let's get on the phone, Baltimore. We're gonna go
Speaker 4: ahead and make that trade. Rank Memes is off the board.
Speaker 3: We have any others? One more?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could throw it in one more. I'm going
Speaker 4: to kind of alter this question a little bit. This
Speaker 4: one comes from Mike Crimmins. He said, with the current
Speaker 4: contract situation, is there any chance had a quarterback in
Speaker 4: round one a round two?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: However, Day three Caleb Williams false.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I've been seeing mock drafts that like see
Speaker 4: jayde and Daniels slide. I don't know if it's like
Speaker 4: a pff air or what, but he keeps showing up
Speaker 4: there twenty four. He's not gonna be there at twenty four, guys,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. If he's there at ten, I will
Speaker 4: do what Kyle did a few years back, whenever Ceede
Speaker 4: Lamb got drafted. I mean it's he's whatever he did. Yeah,
Speaker 4: actually I would die. I'm not gonna do that. I'm
Speaker 4: not shaking on that. Uh, kudos to Kyle. He's a
Speaker 4: better man than me. But I do want to talk
Speaker 4: about Day three quarterback options because I think there could.
Speaker 2: Be an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 4: Looking at Michael Pratt out of Tulane, that is someone
Speaker 4: that this the scouting department is taking a look at.
Speaker 4: He's productive in his years there in Uptown, New Orleans.
Speaker 4: He's productive, he's clean, he doesn't make any mistakes. He
Speaker 4: you look at all of the weapons that have come
Speaker 4: out of that offense, Ti J. Spears, Jakwan Jackson. He's
Speaker 4: a game manager, impressive pocket presence. He's gonna be on
Speaker 4: a fifty three man roster for whatever team drafts him.
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a firm believer in that, and I
Speaker 4: think he's a fourth fifth round option that I think
Speaker 4: if he's sitting there and the Cowboys have addressed their needs,
Speaker 4: they're looking at looking around at the quarterback room, won
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a competition there. Go get
Speaker 4: a guy, a trusted guy like Michael Pratt, high floor
Speaker 4: guy that I think will start some games in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Agreed with you. I think if you they said on
Speaker 3: any of these top guys, Pratt is the dude for me.
Speaker 3: Another name, just just to throw out there that you
Speaker 3: might want to keep an eye on. Carter Bradley, quarterback
Speaker 3: from South Alabama. Just a small school player.
Speaker 2: I have a funny story about him. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I like his moxie. I like the way he plays
Speaker 3: the game. I mean, he's a dude that the velocity.
Speaker 3: At times I'm like, Okay, how did that ball just
Speaker 3: get there? But he's able to make all the throws.
Speaker 3: He's got a little bit of mobility. I like the
Speaker 3: way he navigates the pocket. Carter Bradley, if you're just
Speaker 3: looking for a flyer, that would be a Day three pick.
Speaker 3: But there's no way Cowboys are taking somebody in the
Speaker 3: first or second round at the quarterback position in my opinion,
Speaker 3: unless there's just a rare scenario where somebody does have
Speaker 3: an Aaron Rodgers like slide. I don't see that happening
Speaker 3: in this year's draft.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The at the Senior Bowl, which is at the University
Speaker 4: of South Alabama, where Carter Bradley played. He I was
Speaker 4: talking with one of my scout friends kind of as
Speaker 4: we were walking in and we were watching the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: kind of warm up, and we're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's that's so, and so, that's so, and so that's
Speaker 4: who's that?
Speaker 5: Yeah is that?
Speaker 4: Oh he's got a South Alabama hat on? So this
Speaker 4: is like to make a wish kid like, that's the
Speaker 4: That's what we were talking about. And then once they
Speaker 4: get going in practice and you see.
Speaker 3: This you can play six three.
Speaker 4: Minute and I kind of looked to it. I was like,
Speaker 4: hey man, this is not this is not that at
Speaker 4: all like this this kid can throw it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I like Carter Bradley as well. I think he gets drafted.
Speaker 3: I'm also surprised Sam Hartman with the hair. You know,
Speaker 3: he's just not getting more ve Sam Hartboard far quad
Speaker 3: what what a crazy scenario. He was mocked to go
Speaker 3: in the first round a lot of the time when
Speaker 3: you were looking preseason, and now he's looking like maybe
Speaker 3: he's a six to seventh round pick. That's also a
Speaker 3: name that maybe a team, it'd probably be a solid
Speaker 3: backup throughout his entire career.
Speaker 2: I said that he won't win you a game, but
Speaker 2: he won't lose you on either.
Speaker 3: Right, Just a steady guy. You know what you're kind
Speaker 3: of going to get from him? All Right, there's another
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Speaker 3: All right, let's have some fun with this. We've got
Speaker 3: three different three round mock draft scenarios. I've put this together.
Speaker 3: I've even put some of the other options for each
Speaker 3: pick that we're still on the board. But first let's
Speaker 3: go through witch stack of three. Do you prefer here?
Speaker 3: Nick Harris mock Draft number one, twenty fourth pick, Cowboys
Speaker 3: take Tyler Geiton, offensive tackle out of Oklahoma. They circle
Speaker 3: back in the second round at fifty six, they take
Speaker 3: Junior Colson, linebacker out of Michigan and then in the
Speaker 3: third round, pick eighty seven, Trey Benson, running back out
Speaker 3: of Florida. So they get Geiton Colson Benson. That is
Speaker 3: a pretty nice stack of three players right there.
Speaker 2: I don't love Guiden, as we mentioned, but I like
Speaker 2: this pairing of players. Let's keep going here.
Speaker 3: Okay, number two scenario pick twenty four.
Speaker 2: Really quick? Do you think Benson's there in the third No,
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I don't think Benson makes to the third round. I
Speaker 3: think that's wishful thing. You can't get that. Mock draft
Speaker 3: pick twenty four, Brian Thomas, junior wide receiver out of LSU.
Speaker 3: Cowboys decide, Hey, maybe this is a scenario they're wiped
Speaker 3: out on tackle. We're gonna go with the wide receiver,
Speaker 3: the playmaker to stretch the field pick fifty six. Then
Speaker 3: they go with Trey Benson, running back at a Florida state.
Speaker 3: Think that's more likely. And in the third round, pick
Speaker 3: eighty seven, they address linebacker Cedric Gray, linebacker at North Carolina,
Speaker 3: which I know you like. You worry about his fit.
Speaker 3: Maybe you feel better about the fit now that they've
Speaker 3: addressed with the Rick Hendricks, we got Thomas Benson Gray.
Speaker 4: That was a question that was in the twitter on
Speaker 4: the twenty replies, I want to address that really quick.
Speaker 4: I do feel a little bit better with that. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I do feel a little bit. I
Speaker 4: don't feel great still, but I feel a little bit
Speaker 4: better with that.
Speaker 3: I kind of love the idea of him learning under Kendricks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that excites me a lot. Mock Draft three Troy Fotten
Speaker 3: New offensive tackle that old Washington at twenty four does
Speaker 3: slide to the Cowboys. Okay, fifty six they address center
Speaker 3: Cedric van Pranz center out of Georgia, and then at
Speaker 3: pick eighty seven Jonathan Brooks, running back in Texas. So
Speaker 3: your three sets here, You've got Geyiton, Colson, Benson, Bryan
Speaker 3: Thomas junior, Trey Benson, Cedric Gray, and then the offensive
Speaker 3: tackle font New, the center Van Pran and the running
Speaker 3: back Jonathan Brooks. All three fun scenarios. Then we can
Speaker 3: go through in debate, would we have still taken these
Speaker 3: players based on who else was available?
Speaker 2: Okay? With with scenario one here with Geyton Colson Benson,
Speaker 2: you're you're addressing some needs.
Speaker 4: You don't necessarily get your center. With the second one,
Speaker 4: with Thomas Junior, Benson Gray. You're not addressing a lot
Speaker 4: of needs at all. The offensive line is still very
Speaker 4: very much a big concern. You're gonna have to go
Speaker 4: into Day two, Day three with just straight offensive line
Speaker 4: and hope you hit on one or two of those.
Speaker 4: The third one you address both offensive line needs and
Speaker 4: you get a running back. Oh man, this one's tough.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lean towards. I'm gonna lead towards this third one.
Speaker 4: Font New Van Pran Brooks, and I think if you
Speaker 4: gave me a better tackle than Guidon in that first scenario,
Speaker 4: then I'll probably roll with that one. But I trust Fontineau.
Speaker 4: I think he can come in and be a dog
Speaker 4: at left tackle. I also think he can kind of
Speaker 4: work with Tyler Smith to figure out who is the
Speaker 4: best left tackle slash left guard.
Speaker 2: Van Prant.
Speaker 4: I think with a year or two under his belt,
Speaker 4: he's going to be a really good starting center in
Speaker 4: this league. And then Jonathan Brooks, y'all know how I
Speaker 4: feel about him.
Speaker 2: So you address some needs, you get some high impact
Speaker 2: guys as far as year one, I will say though
Speaker 2: that that scenario too, I'm looking at it and I'm
Speaker 2: looking my chops a little bit, but you have to
Speaker 2: be okay with the fact that you probably don't make
Speaker 2: the playoffs next year if you draft those three gaps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because those three players are really really good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think that the best tackle,
Speaker 3: the best first round pick out of the bunch is
Speaker 3: Troy fott New the OFFENSEI tackle from Washington. I'm in
Speaker 3: on Van Pran to me. I mean, he's a guy
Speaker 3: that won back to back national championships and he anchored
Speaker 3: the center of that line. You've seen him go against
Speaker 3: some big body defensive tackles during the as you see
Speaker 3: holds his own. I think he's got some strength, maybe
Speaker 3: the athleticism, something you're not grading as high as Jackson
Speaker 3: power shots. Maybe even a Zach Frasier in this draft.
Speaker 3: But I like Van Prayn. I think he would be
Speaker 3: a solid option there at fifty six. I prefer him
Speaker 3: in the third round at eighty seven. Make fifty six
Speaker 3: might be a little high, I agree, but you might.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're looking at a situation where, look,
Speaker 3: all the centers are gone, I want to make sure
Speaker 3: I get one that's a solid option. Then Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 3: at eighty seven. I love. I think that's the sweet
Speaker 3: spot for him, if I don't have to reach and
Speaker 3: take him in the second because there's a run on
Speaker 3: running backs. If I can get Jonathan Brooks at eighty seven,
Speaker 3: I feel really really good about it.
Speaker 2: Do you don't feel like he's the first one off
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Benson.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but I think he's first three at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're the first two. But I think
Speaker 3: there's a debate. I think some teams might have Jonathan
Speaker 3: Brooks as their number one running back. I think a
Speaker 3: lot would if it weren't for the injury. I just wonder,
Speaker 3: and look, if he's going to be available for training
Speaker 3: camp and the medicals clear out, teams aren't worried about it.
Speaker 3: He very well could be the first one off the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I think the running back run there in the second round,
Speaker 4: wherever it begins, I think it's going to kick off
Speaker 4: around forty to forty five. That's when you're going to
Speaker 4: see where these running backs are valued as far as
Speaker 4: the draft process and kind of how they play out.
Speaker 4: But Brooks being there at eighty seven, Yeah, that would
Speaker 4: be too good to pass up.
Speaker 3: Which one of those scenarios do you want to talk about?
Speaker 3: Who else was available? See if we agree with these picks.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's go with that first one, the first one. Okay,
Speaker 2: what tackle was available there at twenty four?
Speaker 3: So Geyton was the only tackle, but you did have
Speaker 3: Zach Frazier available the center from Western Michigan or West Virginia.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Graham Barton was available from Duke and like
Speaker 3: to lot to Hedge from UCLA.
Speaker 2: It doesn't It doesn't make me bite, but that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Which I wondered wonderfully.
Speaker 2: Sue a Matilla available.
Speaker 3: Kingsley, Sue Matia was available. Would you go Sue Matia
Speaker 3: over Geyton?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: But I think that's an opportunity where you could potentially
Speaker 4: trade back, pick up a couple of spots.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan Morgan was he available?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's an.
Speaker 4: Opportunity where you could trade back, pick a couple of picks,
Speaker 4: and and kind of plug.
Speaker 2: In Sue Matia as you as you feel necessary.
Speaker 4: But I like Guiden, I do would take I don't
Speaker 4: want to say that I'm out on Guiden. I just
Speaker 4: think he's going to take a little bit of development.
Speaker 4: He's going to really piss off some fans wherever he
Speaker 4: goes and in his rookie year. But I think as
Speaker 4: he develops and as he gets better, I think he's
Speaker 4: going to be an All pro And.
Speaker 3: In what way is he going to be ticking fans on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's a lack of development.
Speaker 4: It's a lack of experience there at the tackle position,
Speaker 4: especially if you're moving him to the left side. You
Speaker 4: just got to be able to account for those things.
Speaker 2: It's it's a little bit of all that he plays with.
Speaker 4: The high pad level guys are going to get under him,
Speaker 4: He's going to struggle against athletic pass rushers, and he's
Speaker 4: just gonna have to be able to kind of account
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 3: It's interesting. My highest graded player out of those is
Speaker 3: a lot too. So if I'm not window address on
Speaker 3: the board, Ryan Rodis would say, I'm taking light two
Speaker 3: a lot too. In that scenario, that doesn't make you
Speaker 3: bite at all.
Speaker 2: It does. You just don't need that in the first round, don't.
Speaker 2: But I mean don't. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see we're doing VPA, and we're doing VPA.
Speaker 2: Let's say you take a lots too.
Speaker 3: I've also got Barton ahead of Guiden, so I think
Speaker 3: it'd be between Bartner a lot too for me. And
Speaker 3: that's what you know in that scenario.
Speaker 2: Let's say you take a lot to a lot two
Speaker 2: Colson Benson. You have no offensive line that you know there,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: You're you're pretty screwed. Yeah, okay, so here here's how
Speaker 3: this falls. All right. So let's let's say we took
Speaker 3: a lot too for fun, pick fifty six, they go
Speaker 3: junior Colson. You'll also have Kean Coleman wide receiver Florida
Speaker 3: State on the board.
Speaker 2: At fifty six.
Speaker 3: At fifty six, I know, shocking uh to Andre Sweat,
Speaker 3: Texas defensive tackle and Mike Sanders still the cornerback from
Speaker 3: Michigan hopefully I said his last name, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking uh oh Man. I think I'm still
Speaker 2: taking Colson there. But Sweat is making the sweat is
Speaker 2: making me go back and forth.
Speaker 3: Sw what's making Sweat.
Speaker 2: Is what's making me sweat a little bit. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Colson. I think he's more of the
Speaker 2: sure thing.
Speaker 3: If I'm going. Based on my board again, it's Coleman,
Speaker 3: and I know we're an addressed all needs. It's you know,
Speaker 3: if I'm if I'm not window drest and I'm going BPA.
Speaker 3: It's a lot too. It's Coleman that those would be
Speaker 3: my two picks for a Cowboys perspective, if I'm taking
Speaker 3: all things considered, Yeah, I'd be interested in Sweat to
Speaker 3: be honest, out of these three players, Sweat's my third. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which stinks, But I think for me, I'm going I
Speaker 3: gotta I gotta stay true, gotta stay true to the board.
Speaker 3: Here we look up four years from now, how are
Speaker 3: we feeling? This isn't about right now? I'm trying to
Speaker 3: draft some all pros law too, Coleman number three at
Speaker 3: when they take Benson, Patrick Paul tackle from Houston's available,
Speaker 3: Cedric van Prant center from George's available, Chris Abrams drain
Speaker 3: cornerback from Missoo.
Speaker 2: I don't think you could talk me into anything other
Speaker 2: than Benson here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, even if we don't have any linemen, we've
Speaker 3: gone law to, We've gone you go tea Sweat.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: You kind of already given into the fact you just
Speaker 4: said you may as well just go ahead and take
Speaker 4: your running back you be able to run through the
Speaker 4: between the tackles, but he might in a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, I think in this scenario, you're right,
Speaker 3: Benson's my top guy, and I don't. I'm looking at
Speaker 3: this and I'm thinking, who the heck am I gonna
Speaker 3: have to block? But I guess we're gonna rock with TJ.
Speaker 3: Bass and Brock. Yeah, and we're just gonna line up
Speaker 3: and say, let's party. But I do love the players
Speaker 3: that we've got here.
Speaker 4: You touched on something a little bit, and I kind
Speaker 4: of want to make it a deeper conversation. Let's do it,
Speaker 4: because I think some fans are kind of looking at
Speaker 4: it a similar way. You look at how they've addressed
Speaker 4: free agency, You look at the needs around the around
Speaker 4: the building going into the draft that you would you
Speaker 4: there's still a lot to play out in free agency
Speaker 4: in the next couple of weeks. But let's say that
Speaker 4: they enter the draft with what we know right now.
Speaker 4: Do you plan for the future? Do you plan for
Speaker 4: this year? I think you plan more for the future,
Speaker 4: and that's the case.
Speaker 2: You look at a scenario too, with Brian Thomas Junior,
Speaker 2: trade Benson and Cedric Gray. You just say, hey man,
Speaker 2: we're just not.
Speaker 4: Gonna block this year because what's what's what's the point there?
Speaker 4: You go pick up your offensive line next year, but
Speaker 4: you have really good weapons and Brian Thomas Junior and Trade.
Speaker 2: Benson the bill for the future. I think it's a thought.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm I'm going in on that, but
Speaker 4: fans have addressed that on Twitter with me a little bit,
Speaker 4: and we've had some back and forth there. If you
Speaker 4: don't feel comfortable about, you know, the potential of the
Speaker 4: Cowboys going into twenty twenty four, and you don't feel
Speaker 4: like the needs can help get them to a super
Speaker 4: Bowl or wherever else they feel like they can reach,
Speaker 4: do you just start building for the future then. Granted,
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones did say that his definition of all in
Speaker 4: is drafting for this year. That was part of his
Speaker 4: definition is drafting for this year, not drafting for the future,
Speaker 4: not making.
Speaker 2: Moves for the future.
Speaker 4: So the likeliness of this happening probably not high, but
Speaker 4: I think I think it's something you think about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am future. I think that's how you have
Speaker 3: to address when you get caught into I am drafting
Speaker 3: for need in this year, and I think when this
Speaker 3: team has run into troubles where their drafts aren't as
Speaker 3: good as some others. Maybe last year you look at that,
Speaker 3: maybe they're saying, man, we got to get better against
Speaker 3: the run. Mazzie Smith's our pick, Man, we really need
Speaker 3: we lost Dalton Schultz, We've got to go out there.
Speaker 3: We will need a better blocking tight end. Luke schoon
Speaker 3: Maker's our pick. Right when you're starting to draft for
Speaker 3: need over trusting, good point, the evaluation and who we've
Speaker 3: got on our stack here, that's where you start to
Speaker 3: run into trouble. So, yeah, am I worried about how
Speaker 3: we're gonna line up? Maybe? But I know that that
Speaker 3: I've got football players that we've graded highly that I
Speaker 3: think we're going to look up and have the potential
Speaker 3: to be Pro Bowl, maybe all pros if we hit
Speaker 3: on them, and we're gonna feel really good because the
Speaker 3: needs that I have right now are not the same
Speaker 3: needs I'm gonna have next year. You're telling me you
Speaker 3: couldn't use another receiver? Is edge not a sneaky need
Speaker 3: for this football team?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 3: So you're still addressing your needs, You're just not maybe
Speaker 3: addressing your biggest glaring red flag weaknesses right now. But
Speaker 3: I think what the draft is all about, especially for
Speaker 3: this team, when it's drafting, developing, and then re signing
Speaker 3: your own that is a premium. Here with the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 3: we want to get to a second contract. You might
Speaker 3: not get that if you're going to reach for a
Speaker 3: player just because hey we really need a center. Oh,
Speaker 3: we really need an offensive tackle. If I've got like
Speaker 3: too lid to who I think is the best edge
Speaker 3: in this class fall to me at twenty four, I'm
Speaker 3: not passing them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you make some good points, Sarah. I think that's
Speaker 2: very valid to about law too. Specifically.
Speaker 4: You look around the bill, You look around the room,
Speaker 4: Dorrin's armstrong, Dante Fowler out with the out going to Washington,
Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence is on the back end of his career.
Speaker 4: You know, you would like to have a guy that
Speaker 4: could be that primary edge rusher opposite of Michael Parsons
Speaker 4: as time goes on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wouldn't be upset with Lats.
Speaker 4: I think what I what I struggle with going any
Speaker 4: anywhere other than tackle in the first round is the
Speaker 4: fact that this tackle class is so deep, and I
Speaker 4: just I feel like you can get a guy there
Speaker 4: at twenty four, then in years past you would have
Speaker 4: to get it nineteen or eighteen.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like the value is really there,
Speaker 2: neat or not.
Speaker 4: I think it's and it just happens to be in
Speaker 4: need it works out for the team, But I think
Speaker 4: need or not going to get a tackle, especially if
Speaker 4: a good one like a Marius Mims, JC Latham. I'll
Speaker 4: throw in Tyler Guy and Jordan Morgan, Troy Fontnu. If
Speaker 4: one of those guys is there, take them, take.
Speaker 3: Them, and ultimately I think that's where it's going to be.
Speaker 3: And I lean taking an offensive lineman there at twenty
Speaker 3: four more than anything, but man, it just depends. It
Speaker 3: depends your slides there. The one I want to do
Speaker 3: with you real quick for we boggie out of here,
Speaker 3: that pick eighty seven in the second Mox scenario where
Speaker 3: they go Cedric Ray. The other three options Braylan Trice,
Speaker 3: Okay Edge, Ada Washington, Johnny Wilson Florida State receiver, and
Speaker 3: Blake korm running back from Michigan. Now obviously that would
Speaker 3: be Hey, you don't take Trey Benson in fifty six
Speaker 3: in that scenario and you take Cooper Bebee at an I, Mitchell,
Speaker 3: Johnny Newton, the defensive tackle from Illinois was sitting there.
Speaker 3: You go with one of those other options, and then
Speaker 3: you'd consider Blake Korm. But out of that stack of four,
Speaker 3: let's say you don't have a running back yet, so
Speaker 3: Korum's more in play. You didn't take Benson there in
Speaker 3: the second round. Out of those four guys, Gray, Trice, Wilson, Korum,
Speaker 3: who would you take?
Speaker 2: This is factoring in that Benson was not taken in
Speaker 2: the second round.
Speaker 3: Now, let's say you went Cooper bebe out a case.
Speaker 2: Okay, running through the four names again.
Speaker 3: Cedric Gray linebacker, North Carolina, Brayln Trice, Edge Washington, Johnny
Speaker 3: Wilson wide receiver Florida State, and Blake Korm running back Michigan.
Speaker 4: I'm between Gray and Koram here. I think I go
Speaker 4: Gray because I feel more comfortable about the running back
Speaker 4: depth on day three than I do a linebacker depth. Gosh,
Speaker 4: although I do feel like there's some good options there
Speaker 4: on day three as well. I'm okay with either pick.
Speaker 4: I really am. I think Grey gives you more longevity
Speaker 4: than Korm. We've talked about Korm. I love Korm, I do.
Speaker 4: I think there are concerns about how much, how many
Speaker 4: hits he can take, can't he get to a second contract?
Speaker 4: And if you're looking for a guy to get to
Speaker 4: a second contract, I think Cedric Gray is probably your
Speaker 4: better option.
Speaker 2: So in that case, i'd probably take Gray.
Speaker 4: But if you're looking for a guy then come in
Speaker 4: and immediately produce year one, then you take Korm. I
Speaker 4: think it's just kind of the The answer to that
Speaker 4: question kind of answers what it is for.
Speaker 3: The war room, right, I agree, I'm gonna go Cedric Gray.
Speaker 3: I think I've got him graded higher. Honestly, Brailan Trice
Speaker 3: would be in the conversation for me. I do like,
Speaker 3: right there, you don't love him. I know a lot
Speaker 3: of people that feel the same way as you do.
Speaker 3: I think in the third round of eighty seven, that's
Speaker 3: good value. He doesn't have a lot of bend, but
Speaker 3: Braylan Trice, I mean the motor that I like him
Speaker 3: a little bit more. I see more upside and potential
Speaker 3: in terms of the pass rushing there than some others.
Speaker 3: But ultimately I think i'd still go to Cedric Gray.
Speaker 3: So I agree with you there there's been fun man,
Speaker 3: Thank you for hanging out with.
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