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Speaker 1: Good mornings, Swooper Old and welcome to the No Dungks

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Wednesday, July third, twenty

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Speaker 1: We call him the super producer because he is. It's JD.

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Speaker 2: Hello there.

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Speaker 1: He is no task today, but we got a special guest.

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Speaker 1: He's a staff writer for the Athletic runs The Bounce,

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Speaker 1: an essential NBA newsletter. You've heard him on Sirius XM.

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Speaker 1: You've heard him on Mad Dog Radio of course, Cinophobe,

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Speaker 1: the podcast you love. He loves puns, he gets buckets.

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Speaker 1: Back here joining us on No Dunks. It's Zach Harper.

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Speaker 1: What's off, Zach?

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Classic Factory. Oh my goodness?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we got you up nice and early to talk.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I've been up for hour?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Are you so? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: When you do the Bounce again? Essential NBA newsletter, free

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Speaker 1: go get it? Are you writing it at night or

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Speaker 1: are you getting up at very early hours on the

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Speaker 1: West Coast to write that bad boy.

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Speaker 2: Ninety five percent of the time it is done at night. Okay,

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Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the time. I'm like ten thirty ish,

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Speaker 2: I'm done and I can sleep easy. There some nights,

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Speaker 2: like to I don't like to write early in the morning.

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Speaker 2: I just like to observe. I'm more of a lurker

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Speaker 1: But sometimes I guess, yeah, breaking news during the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night. You'll wake up and Okay, I gotta

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Speaker 1: write something here, slip this into the newsletter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes you just have to, Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Chams will have a big trade in the morning or

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Speaker 2: something like that. I'm like, all right, I can't let

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Speaker 2: this go to the next day. I gotta be a

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Speaker 2: little proactive. Do you ever hit you up on slack?

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Speaker 3: Hey, wake up, buddy, I got something bing coming down

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Speaker 3: the pipeline here.

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Speaker 2: Every morning, he's like, are you up? Like, like, it's

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Speaker 2: it's been you know, we're deep in Central time right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we all know Shams also doesn't sleep. He

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Speaker 2: I like that. There was I think last free agency.

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Speaker 2: So I think this was a year ago. He shared

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Speaker 1: That guy is a machine. Well, we are excited to

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Speaker 1: have you here. We're going to do some NBA free

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Speaker 1: agency winners and losers. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: we had some well timed breaking news, at least in

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Speaker 1: the no dunks world. Lebron James Zach has agreed to

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Speaker 1: a two year, one hundred and four million dollar maximum

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Speaker 1: deal to return to the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: The deal includes a player option and his son, plus

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Speaker 1: a no trade clause and no damn pay cut. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. So you woke up there on the

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Speaker 1: West coast, you know, you wipe the little sleep from

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Speaker 1: your eyes, and you see the Lebron news. Zach, what

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Speaker 1: do you think of this? Lebron two years, one hundred

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Speaker 2: I don't know, pretty long term for him, right, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I trust this thing. I mean, player

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Speaker 2: nice that we had. I don't know a few days

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Speaker 2: I don't know, the Lakers didn't really do anything, So

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Speaker 2: why would you take a pay cut? Go get your money.

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Speaker 2: I feel like at this point he's almost made too

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because WOJ did tweet after

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Speaker 3: the Lakers because so far they've signed to Lebron, James's

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Speaker 3: They haven't really been able to improve the team, but

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Speaker 3: they got Lebron Beck and his son.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the funniest interpretations I saw going around

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Speaker 1: Zach was Lebron basically bet Rob Polinka about twenty million

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Speaker 2: point where I'm like, does Rob Blincoln know? Just surround

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Speaker 2: Lebron with shooters. That's the formula, Like just go get

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Speaker 2: they're just everything does not seem to line up with

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Speaker 1: we'll get into him going to the Dallas Mavericks and

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Speaker 3: Lebron and Kyrie way back when. So I thought that

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Speaker 3: was pretty interesting that Clay Thompson, a guy that's won

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lebron will play his twenty second season in twenty

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Speaker 2: right because we might be giving Charles Barkley the farewell

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Speaker 2: break this news. I think Lebron plays three more years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, ye, so that would take yeah, twenty

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Speaker 1: Do you here's the question? Then, do you think he

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Speaker 1: whatever he wants in addition to like sign my family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what do you think he will?

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Speaker 2: You end at Laker once you moved to LA to

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Speaker 2: don't think unless the NBA expands to Austin in the

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Speaker 3: Well, I just did a quick google here to see

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Speaker 3: when Bryce James is eligible for the RAP I think

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six is the year, so I could see

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Jesus man so a cool twenty five

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Speaker 1: quarter of a century. A quarter century sounds he's still

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Speaker 1: so okay, well let's move off Lebron. After losing Bay

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Speaker 1: Area legend Klay Thompson to the MAVs, we have learned

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Speaker 1: round pick swap. I think some cash in that move.

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Speaker 1: And now we're getting new Zach, that the Warriors are

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Speaker 1: Buddy Healed. Again, we'll get into our winners and losers.

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Speaker 1: I think possibly when we get to losers, maybe the

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Speaker 1: But just like a lot of your work there at

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Speaker 1: the Athletic is grading these trades, grading these free agent moves. So,

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Speaker 1: Professor Zach Harper, how would you grade the Warriors off

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Speaker 1: season so far? With Clay out, Chris Paul out, Melton in,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Anderson in, and maybe Buddy I kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like this team more. Who if you take the names

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Speaker 2: out of it, right, Like, you know, Clay is obviously

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Speaker 2: he wasn't the Clay of old, Like Clay on the

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Speaker 2: Mavericks is different than when you expect of Clay on

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Speaker 2: Buddy healed. Not the same player as Klay Thompson has been,

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Speaker 2: but he's still a pretty good shooter that does a

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Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that you would want Clay to do,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Melton, as long as he's healthy, I think he's

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Speaker 2: one of the best role players in the league. I

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Speaker 2: love that pick up. I think Kyle Anderson it takes

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Speaker 2: It's a good defender. He's kind of maybe that without

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Speaker 2: the three point shot, that Otto Porter version of what

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Speaker 2: they had a couple of years ago. Like, I kind

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Speaker 2: of like this team better. Chris Paul was good for

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Speaker 2: how much they need shooting. But KCP is such an excellent,

432
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 2: excellent pickup for them. It's also furthers the tradition of

433
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 2: players inexplicably wanting to leave Denver. We saw Aaron Aflalo

434
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 2: do it, we saw Jeremy Grant do it. Now now

435
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 2: Casep gets to do it. When you think, like that's

436
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 2: a good situation for you, and just like now I

437
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,359
Speaker 2: want to go score somewhere else. But that's such a

438
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,440
Speaker 2: great pickup like that, He's going to fit in perfectly

439
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,480
Speaker 2: with what they do defensively. Offensively, he provides a boot.

440
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 2: I actually think he can score a little bit better

441
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 2: than what people are gonna expect. I don't think he's

442
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,920
Speaker 2: just a spot up shooter. So that was a fantastic pickup.

443
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 2: It makes me worried about Denver and how they replace him. Yeah,

444
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 2: but Orlando, like if I told you they won fifty

445
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 2: three games next season, would that be shocked? And they

446
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: win forty seven this year? Add a really good player.

447
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,680
Speaker 2: I'd like them to go get tyas Jones. I don't

448
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: know if that's even feasible with the aprons and everything,

449
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 2: but I'd like them to go get tyas Jones, just

450
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,640
Speaker 2: to add to that backcourt.

451
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 1: They are really besides CACP, which is a nice addition.

452
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: They are running it back and probably the right thing

453
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Speaker 1: to do. You know, you have your young superstar Impello.

454
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Speaker 1: You think Franz is going to have an even better year.

455
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 1: CACP defense can hit a three, and then bigs like

456
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Isaac got a five year, eighty four million dollar

457
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,160
Speaker 1: contract renegotiation and extension. Mo Wagner's coming back, Go Goa's

458
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: coming back. They were just like, we got a pretty

459
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 1: good team, like you just said, Zach, you know, we

460
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: were the fifth seed, put up a good fight in

461
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Speaker 1: the first round. Let's take the next step. Do you

462
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 1: like how they've approached this offseason? TK? I like it,

463
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: but I think they're neither a winner or a loser.

464
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: To me.

465
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Speaker 3: They came into the offseason with a ton of cap

466
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Speaker 3: space and they're leaving with a role player in KCP.

467
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 1: You know, they paid.

468
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Isaac a big, long deal five years and the

469
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 3: guy has played fewer games than Timothey Luabu Cabareau in

470
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: the last five seasons. Shout out to Will Hates then

471
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 3: the nets or something like that on Twitter. But like

472
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 3: he's not very healthy. He's a role player. They paid

473
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Speaker 3: big deals to Go Goo, Bataz and mel Wagner, which

474
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 3: means Wendl Carter Junior is probably on the way out

475
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 3: next season.

476
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Speaker 1: They used their last good.

477
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Speaker 3: Top twenty draft pick on a twenty three year old

478
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: in Tristan da Silva, who plays the same position as

479
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 3: their best players. This was like the last time I

480
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: thought that the Magic are going to have serious cap

481
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: space a decent draft pick to actually make a move

482
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Speaker 3: going forward.

483
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Speaker 1: They're hoping that Paolo takes the next step.

484
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Speaker 3: He was awesome in the playoffs, had a couple of

485
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 3: near forty point games, shot the ball really well. They're

486
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: hoping Franz Wagner can shoot again. He had a down

487
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 3: year from three point last year. But the way the

488
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 3: Magic get better at this point is with internal development,

489
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: because it's kind of hard to see them acquiring other

490
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 3: players at this point since they're kind of at the

491
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Speaker 3: end of their rebuild. With all of those picks from

492
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Speaker 3: the Bulls. You know, they got Franz Wagner out of it,

493
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Speaker 3: and that's about it.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess the counter to that, though, is like,

495
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Speaker 1: who were they supposed to sign this offseason? Make a

496
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Speaker 1: big splash move for Paul George Clay? Like Zack said,

497
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: maybe you start to run out of guys. There's not

498
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Speaker 1: that many big names. Obviously, KCP was one of the

499
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: most coveted friege names.

500
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Speaker 3: Really, I agree, but it's kind of similar to me

501
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: to the Sacramento Kings and where they were last year.

502
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: They finished third during I guess the twenty two to

503
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 3: twenty three season lost to the Warriors in seven games.

504
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: Really fun, they had a bunch of cap space. They

505
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 3: brought everybody back, and the team was the same because

506
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 3: they brought everybody back. I wonder if that's going to

507
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: be the same for Orlando. So I couldn't really put

508
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Speaker 3: them as a winner or a loser. I just felt

509
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 3: like they could have done more.

510
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move to the biggest loser Zach of

511
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: NBA free agency so far, which team or player or

512
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: wherever you want to go with this?

513
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Speaker 2: Who do you got now? I don't know if we're

514
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: supposed to factor this in. But when, as you mentioned earlier,

515
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: when you have assistant coaches turning you down, and it

516
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: seems like the reasoning that they haven't gotten the coaching

517
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 2: staff figured out as they've been focused on free agency.

518
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: I feel like most people in the NBA have two phones.

519
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: You can make those calls to both assistant coaches and

520
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: players and try to get them in. The Lakers, I

521
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: just don't know what their plan is, Like you can't.

522
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: Last year, you know, they took Ruy Hachimora, Jackson Hayes,

523
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: and Christian Wood into a Yokic fight. That's not going

524
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: to work as much as that great strategy if we

525
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: put Ruey on Jokic and it really scared Denver as

526
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: they swept us like that's not a thing, right and

527
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: the Lake Like if Denver didn't exist, I think we

528
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 2: would view the Lakers a lot differently. But because they

529
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: do exist, and we know the Lakers cannot get past that,

530
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: we can't take them seriously any other way. So they

531
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: have to change their roster. Yeah, Dalton connect might be

532
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: a good player for them. Bronni James I think will

533
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: actually develop into a solid NBA player at some point,

534
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: but not anytime soon. He might have to wait for

535
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Speaker 2: Bryce to be there before we get to that point. Like,

536
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Speaker 2: I just I don't see how the Lakers, if they

537
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: even had a plan, came close to executing it. Like,

538
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Speaker 2: I don't know what Rob Plink was doing.

539
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: Exacts right, what is literally what is Rob Polinka doing.

540
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: It feels like the end of Kobe Bryant's tenure with

541
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Speaker 3: the Lakers, when it was just basically the Kobe Show.

542
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: Come out and see him come out, see Lebron and

543
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: a d And now we got Lebron's son as well.

544
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: They just got to hope that Lebron and Ad stay

545
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: as healthy as they did last season and that they

546
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: get fortunate with the teams ahead of them, because I

547
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: think that's the only way the Lakers really move up

548
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: the standings in the Western Conference. But yeah, I got

549
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: them easily as a and basically all the old Guard

550
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: as losers. I would have the Lakers, I would have

551
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: the Warriors and the Clippers teams that basically up until

552
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: this summer, we're like, if we got a problem, we

553
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: can spend our way out of it. The second Apron

554
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 3: has changed that, and all three of those teams are

555
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: a little spooked by the second apron, so they're downgrading

556
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: and their teams aren't going.

557
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Speaker 1: To be as good for that reason. Yeah, I have

558
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the Nuggets definitely a part of this equation when you're

559
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: looking at losers here, I know, Hollinger sort of went

560
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: all in on them, pointing out that the Nuggets have

561
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: basically spent now half a decade cheaping out by trading picks,

562
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: dumping salaries, skimping out on contracts to avoid or minimize

563
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: that luxury tax. Now they still want a championship, you know, incredibly,

564
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: but they do feel the Nuggets do and their ownership

565
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: like the rich friend in your group who still wants

566
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Speaker 1: to like nickel and dime everyone when you got the

567
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: group dinner and they're looking at everything, Oh, hold on,

568
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: hold on, I only had two beers. How many did

569
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Speaker 1: you have? And you're like, dude, you make more than

570
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: everybody here. Why aren't you just picking up the bill,

571
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: let alone just splitting it evenly. It's embarrassing, is what

572
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm getting at. And it's like crazy because even the

573
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: KCP contract, they did not lose him to an insane amount.

574
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Speaker 1: It was not like whall my goodness, like even like

575
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: Hertenstin Hertenstein money, where you're like, okay, all right, he's

576
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: leaving because he has to take that three years, sixty

577
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: six million. It's pretty embarrassing that they couldn't keep him

578
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: on that. They said, hell, what we offered him the

579
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: same thing. I've seen his wife sliding into the DM

580
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: saying bullshit on that you did? They said, we offered similar, Yeah, similar,

581
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: so cheap, not the same? Yeah, y exactly. I've got

582
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: the nuggets here, and it's like it's similar to to

583
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: really what's going on with the Warriors and Curry. It's

584
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: like you have Jokic, Zach and you're Nickel and Diamond

585
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: in here, Like what are you doing? Like this is

586
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: when you should be splurging, being a little aggressive. Now

587
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: they've given extensions. Don't get me wrong, Obviously Jamal Murray

588
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: and probably the Michael Porter junior ones maybe gonna you know,

589
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: bite them in the ass here. But it's just it's

590
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: a bad look. I think.

591
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think we should have seen that

592
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: they were in trouble when all the excuses for them

593
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: losing to Minnesota was like, well, they were tired, they

594
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: were so tired, they were so sleepy yah, everyone's tired

595
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Like I just I never bought that

596
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: as an excuse. I actually think KCP leaving might show

597
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: some kind of internal struggle. I don't think there's a

598
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: huge alarms there for Denver, but for a player who

599
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: is set up to contend there to want to just

600
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: go to an Orlando team, and I don't know, maybe

601
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: a lack of state tax is very important to KCP.

602
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's about. It they are right,

603
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: but I think for that to happen, and it's happened before,

604
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: I do think there's something there in a post Tim

605
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: Connolly world where where you have to be a little

606
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: concerned that this team is not here to just spend

607
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: whatever it needs to and contend, because yes, they lost

608
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: this year, but if they came back with the exact

609
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: same team next season, yeah, most people are probably picking

610
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: the thunder. If I told you, hey, I came back

611
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: from the future and the Nuggets won the West, you

612
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like, wait, how did that happen? Like they're

613
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: a great team and they'll still be a very good

614
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: team without KCP. But I actually think he kind of

615
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: covered up a lot of issues that Michael Porter Junior

616
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: had just in terms of not being able to deliver consistently. KCP,

617
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: I think was way more consistent on both ends of

618
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: the floor. And unless MPG becomes that guy that justifies

619
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: that contract, you know, outside of the title, I don't know.

620
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: It seems like they're they're a little bit crumbling here yeah.

621
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Speaker 1: Or there, or hoping internally that Christian Brown pops off

622
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: and slides perfectly into that KCP role, or Watson defensively

623
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Speaker 1: like some of their young guys, or you know, Rookie

624
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: from last year, like that draw Man. That's the play

625
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: on Julians. You know, you're asking a lot from those guys. Yeah,

626
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: and KCP is you know again, he's the fourth or

627
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: fifth guy on that team. But I'm with Zach, extremely

628
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: important to have, especially playing alongside a guy like yok

629
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: You need a guy that can hit a three, and

630
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: he proved over the last two years he can hit

631
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: a three consistently in addition to being great defensively. So

632
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: that's a tough loss. Any other losers in the mix here.

633
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: Two other losers I would throw in the Milwaukee Bucks

634
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: in the Miami Heat. The Eastern Conference has gotten a

635
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: lot better you know, the Celtics just won the championship.

636
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: They brought bringing everybody back. The Knicks brought in mca

637
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: a Bridges. They did lose their backup center, but they'll

638
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: probably recover in some way.

639
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: They're betting on friendship. And then, of course the seventy

640
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: six er has got Paul George.

641
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: Milwaukee drafted two guys who, by all accounts are completely

642
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: not ready to play in the NBA at this point.

643
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: They signed Delon Wright, who should be helpful but a

644
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: backup guard, and that's more than Miami has done. The

645
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: resigned Bam Autebayo, and they re signed Kevin Love. That's

646
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: not good. That's not gonna be good enough. I'm giving

647
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 3: the Bucks a little bit more leeway here because I

648
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: think a lot of their moves are going to be Hey,

649
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: last season was too crazy for us. We're trying to

650
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: keep it the straight and narrow here. They also have

651
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: some trades they might make. Be interesting to see if

652
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: Brook Lopez goes out Miami, though, I don't know what's

653
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: going on with the Heat.

654
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of the Miami Heats offseason

655
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: so far? Zachus? It is weird that this is a

656
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: team usually linked in every trade. Roumor obviously aggressive in

657
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: the free agent market. Yeah, but it's been pretty damn quiet.

658
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen more from Jimmy Butler at the X

659
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 2: Games than we have from them in like it it's

660
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: been a little different there. Yeah, I mean I think

661
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: part of it is you've had some weird stuff with

662
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: with Jimmy in the Heat over the last you know,

663
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: five six months, Like maybe maybe Heat culture isn't as

664
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: strong as it used to be, you know, kind of

665
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: the whispers coming out of there. Also, I think they

666
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: were waiting to see what was gonna happen with Donovan

667
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 2: Mitchell because I think that was their next move of like,

668
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: and look, we've seen guys extend before and end up

669
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: getting traded or asking for a trade, you know. Paul

670
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: George kind of went through that. Even Steven Jackson long

671
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: ago got an extension with the Warriors and then got

672
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: himself traded out of there. He went to the Bobcats

673
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: that it didn't really work out, but still, like we've

674
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: seen players do that before. It wouldn't be crazy for

675
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell to collect his money and then look for

676
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: a trade later. But you have to feel pretty good

677
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: if you're Cleveland that he re upped, and then if

678
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: you're Miami, that probably just complicates things for you in

679
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: trying to acquire him, because I would think that the

680
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: price tag for for whatever comes back into trade has

681
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: to be more than Tyler Hero and a couple of picks.

682
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: Just because now you have Donov Mitch long term, there's

683
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: no chance of him bolting for anywhere else. That just

684
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: makes it a lot easier for Cleveland to kind of

685
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: dig in and say, nah, we don't want to we

686
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: don't want to deal him if it ever gets to

687
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: that point again.

688
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that you went with the Bucks in

689
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: heat and then you think back to last summer where

690
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: the heater like, we're getting Damian Lillard. Sweet, this is

691
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome, and suddenly the Bucks swoop in there

692
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: and grab him, and now the heater left going, oh, oh,

693
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: what are we going to do now? That's fascinating. Yeah,

694
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: just to get that news in that Zach alluded to, yesterday,

695
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: we learned that Donovan Mitchell has agreed to sign a

696
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: three year, one hundred and fifty point three million dollar

697
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: maximum contract extension with the Calves. The deal includes a

698
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: player option for the twenty seven to twenty eight season,

699
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: and it gives Mitchell here a chance to satisfy the

700
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: NBA's ten year service criteria, which would allow him to

701
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: pursue a five year extension in twenty seven that could

702
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: be worth three hundred and eighty million dollars. Are the

703
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: numbers getting high enough for everyone? It's three hundred and

704
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: eighty million, it's was It was it eight years ago

705
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: that Mike Conley signed the the biggest deal in NBA history,

706
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: And you know it was basically for like two weeks, right, yeah, yeah,

707
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: but it was like yeah, one, fifty one six whatever

708
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: it was. And now eight years later, it's like double

709
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: and more with these guys.

710
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: But we isn't the number going around now that Wick

711
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: Grossbeck bought the Celtics originally for like three hundred and

712
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars?

713
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, him in his basketball group there, Yeah, we should

714
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: five years. Do you want to buy a team, Zach?

715
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: We should buy a team when you were a time machine.

716
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: We got to go way back. We got to go

717
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: back to nineteen seventy five, buy them all like a quarter.

718
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could outbid read our back, Yeah for sure, fifty.

719
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's gonna say, you've got a million jobs, you

720
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: probably can't afford the Celtics act.

721
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm deeply in debt.

722
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: Well, so were the Celtics. They all these contracts coming forward.

723
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Just roll it in.

724
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: We have about the same level of debt right now.

725
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: Actually we could just stop that.

726
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. So anyway, this is interesting the way

727
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell has sort of signed this deal set himself

728
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: up for that potentially super super max contract, as we

729
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: said in twenty seven. But it just also kicks the

730
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: can down the road a little bit with Donovan Mitchell,

731
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, trade requests and stuff like that. But at

732
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: least for a little bit, it allows the cast to

733
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: breathe a bit right here.

734
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, once the Knicks Nets deal went down for Michale Bridges,

735
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: it kind of made sense that Donovan Mitchell would be

736
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: going back to Cleveland since neither of the New York

737
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: teams were a landing spot at that point. I think

738
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: this is a little bit Lebron's style in that he

739
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: gets to get back into free agency.

740
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: When he's eligible for an even bigger.

741
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: Contract, and the short contract with a player option at

742
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: the end of it really keeps the pressure on the Cavs.

743
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: So to me makes sense obviously to bring Mitchell back.

744
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: The guy's been an All NBA player since he came

745
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: to Cleveland. What's their next move gonna be? Because they

746
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: want to play a playoff series this year that was great,

747
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: but heading into the playoffs, Mitchell said, I'm not trying

748
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: to win a first round series. I want to go

749
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: to at least the conference finals and the finals. So

750
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if they're a brandon ingram team this summer.

751
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: I wonder if they're going to be able to keep

752
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: together Mobley and Allen or what their next move is

753
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: because Cleveland is in probably the second tier of the

754
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference, maybe the third depending on how you're breaking

755
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: it down, but at best, to me, they're like the

756
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: fourth best team in the conference right now, which is good,

757
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: but that's where they were last year.

758
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think the Cavs will do here, Zach?

759
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: This offseason? They obviously swapped coaches. I mean, they're they're

760
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: going with Kenny Atkinson. So maybe it's just this idea

761
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: of like, hey, let's see what he can do with

762
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: this roster, or yeah, do you look to trade one

763
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: of your bigs? Do you look to trade Darius Grett

764
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: Garland if you believe those reports that his camp was saying, hey,

765
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: if Donovan Mitchell's here, like, I'm a little squeezed out here,

766
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I want to be a lead ballhandler. Like what do

767
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: you think happens?

768
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talking to people around the league, like

769
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: kind of when they when they got bounced, everyone seemed

770
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: to think that they have two decisions to make. You know,

771
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Jared Allen or Evan Mobley, Well, you're obways going to

772
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: take Mobley, he's better and younger, and then Garland or Mitchell,

773
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: and well, now Mitchell's signed the extension, you obviously pick him.

774
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: It just like it's a good team like Traceay, like

775
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: it is a very good team for seed like that

776
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: you can pencil them in for around that area every

777
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: single season. It's just are they built for the playoffs?

778
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't think they are. They they're improved, but

779
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: they also they want a series because they played in

780
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: Orlando team which is young, right, like an average age

781
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: of like twenty three years old in that rotation like

782
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: score it all right, couldn't score it all and still

783
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: took them to seven games, and it was kind of

784
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: up in the air in game seven right for a while,

785
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: so I think, you know, Cleveland, it's a little bit

786
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: of fools gold. With the playoff success this year, they

787
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: have to balance that attack out more and less. Evamobily

788
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: just becomes a dead I three point shooter that teams

789
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: are afraid of. Like, it just doesn't fit in that way.

790
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I think you can get something for Garland, although the

791
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: point guard's position is kind of saturated. You mentioned brandon Ingram.

792
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't know what a trade would

793
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: be there, but if you swapped Jared Allen, who you know,

794
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: the Pelicans now need a big man to put next

795
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: to Zion, Well, Jared all would fit in really nicely

796
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: there and kind of a different role than Balancin has

797
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 2: just had, but still a valuable role that they would need.

798
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: Ingram would definitely fill a need for Cleveland. Now, I'm

799
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: not saying one to one swap. You'd have to figure

800
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: some stuff out to make it worth it for the Pelicans,

801
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: but that kind of makes sense to me on the surface.

802
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, that they've got to trade two of their

803
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: starters and find a more balanced, more modern way because

804
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: that team, as good as it is, they can't really

805
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: be the Timberwolves in terms of size of like, all right,

806
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: we've got our two bigs and we can make it work.

807
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: It's just it's just not built the same way. Even

808
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: in the weaker Eastern Conference, it just doesn't work.

809
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I think what's fascinating now though, that Kenny Atkinson is

810
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: the coaches that he loves, Jared Allen and you know

811
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: worked well in Brooklyn. He talked him up a ton

812
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: of remember now he's there, well, he want to keep

813
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: him and try and give it a go again with

814
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: those two bigs. But we will see. Let's get to

815
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: the next question, though, Zach, you get a start a here,

816
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: most underrated signing an NBA free agency, If you had

817
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: to pick one or two, where would you go?

818
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: I mean it was talked about a lot. But Chris Paul, Yeah,

819
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: one guy with that first year. Chris Paul is always great,

820
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: right except for this year with the Warriors, but that

821
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: that was a little different.

822
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: That first year.

823
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: Chris Paul is great. He will teach him how to

824
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: be professional, He will teach him how to raise that floor.

825
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: This is something where you know, all themes of guys

826
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: being happy to be on TV rather than trying to

827
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: get the ball to to Wemby whenever he whenever he

828
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: was even semi open like there, he will fix all

829
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: of this stuff and he will raise that floor and

830
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: it honestly, you know, we have to see how the

831
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: how the rest of the off season shakes out. It

832
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me if they made the playing Tournament next year.

833
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: I think Wemby is that good and I think he

834
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: will bump them up. Chris Paul bumped them up that much.

835
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: The fact that it's not more than a one year

836
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: deal and some of that is age, but that's perfect.

837
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: That is the perfect amount of time to have Chris

838
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: Paul on your team to raise things up. As someone

839
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: who just finished the clip series, it's gonna get bad.

840
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: Trust me, it's gonna get bad. You just have to.

841
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: You just have to lean into this first year and

842
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: I think raising that level for everyone it's huge.

843
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: You're telling me you watched all of clipped.

844
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's it's as bad as Ballers. I

845
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: mean it is. It's been a but in the same way,

846
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: I can't get enough. I can't believe it's over.

847
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Was it only six episodes?

848
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of them is like pretty much a

849
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: flashback episode to the beforetime, like the eighties or the nineties.

850
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: It's really like, I'm excited.

851
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be ten episodes. I watched

852
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: the first three. Now another year, you're halfway home man undertakings. Yeah,

853
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: that's a good point with Chris Paul. I'm sure you've

854
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: seen the graphic going around where it's like, uh, the

855
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: the team's win percentage before Chris Paul and then that

856
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: first year that he comes in because he's played for

857
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: like so many franchises now and it just like jumps

858
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: some of them a significant amount. Obviously when he was

859
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 3: drafted way back when with the Hornets, but you've seen

860
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: it with the Suns, You've seen it with other teams,

861
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: and that's what the Spurs are going to hope here.

862
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: And will he even be there the entire season? He

863
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: could just be there until the trade deadline and then

864
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: somebody's going, man, we could really use Vett point guard

865
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: to come in here, stop up twenty minutes, run the

866
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: show in a postseason, and you know, it's a it's

867
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: a very tradable contract, so that's a possibility as well.

868
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: But he'll at least be there forty fifty games helping

869
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Wemby in that team out.

870
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be cool to see Chris Paul playing

871
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: with Wemby, and Chris Paul will get a huge amount

872
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: of credit because the Spurs are going to be better

873
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: next year just having Wemby on the team in year two.

874
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: So I'll make a prediction here.

875
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: I think Chris Paul is going to lead the league

876
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: in assists per thirty six minutes. Okay, I don't know

877
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: if he's going to play a full compliment of minutes

878
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: to be able to lead the league in assists, but

879
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: on a permanent basis, he's.

880
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: Going to be the number one assistment. Yes, it's gonna

881
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: be a lot of oops, I assume to Wemby, and

882
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun. What else do you have as

883
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: an underrated free agency move here, Trey, I don't know.

884
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Is it underrated? Klay Thompson going to the Dallas.

885
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: Mavericks Maybe not underrated, but you aren't called Naji Marshall

886
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: the underrated signing for the Dallas Mavericks.

887
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my question for you, Zach.

888
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: Did the MAVs really upgrade here bringing in Clay Naji Marshall,

889
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: Quentin Grimes sending out Josh Green, Tim Hardaway Junior, Derek

890
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: Jones Junior, less juniors at the very least, but still,

891
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: you know, three wings out, three wings in.

892
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: It's important. You're saving on stitching with the back of

893
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: that Percy. That matters, like every you know, they're cutting costs.

894
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: They just sold that team. The owners don't have as

895
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: much money as they used to, so that's big. I

896
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: love what they did. I think the underrated part of that,

897
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know how much he's going to play,

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: but swapping out Tim Hardaway Junior, who was out of

899
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: that rotation by the second round for Quentin Grimes, So

900
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: I think it's a really nice two way player. You know,

901
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: can play on both ends of the floor. I think

902
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: that's a great upgrade there. I think that Derek Jones

903
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: Junior Nauji Marshall thing is kind of a wash. And

904
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be down on Derrek Jones Junior's

905
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 2: just I don't know that his shot is reliable, neither

906
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: is Naji Marshall. But I think he can fit in

907
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: a little bit better. I think his shot is a

908
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: little more workable to where if he's getting passes from Luca,

909
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: he's getting passes from Kyrie. I think you'll see him

910
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: up his his shooting ability this year and he'll kind

911
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: of look like a steal in that sense. And then Clay, No,

912
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: he's not the Clay of Bold, but still no one's

913
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: leaving him open, right, Like he could be sixty years

914
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: old out there, You're not leaving him open. And so

915
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: I think with Clay that threat, and we saw, you know,

916
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: we thought going into the finals, is their defense going

917
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 2: to be able to hold up? Their defense was actually

918
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: pretty good. Yeah, other than like the first three quarters

919
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 2: of Game one, their defense was really good. Their offense

920
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: just went away against Boston's defense. And with you know,

921
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: kind of battling the West and how deep the West

922
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: is going to be, how much of a traffic jam

923
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: it's going to be, they're gonna need all the shooting

924
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: they can get. If he's only thirty eight percent, again,

925
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: no one's leaving him to go double Luca or to

926
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: go double Kyrie, and that's massive.

927
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the fascinating part, right, have they

928
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: swung too far from Oh we were a defensive minded team.

929
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: Derek Jones Junior was really good on the perimeter. Even

930
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: Josh Green when he got in there with really good

931
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: but we need more shooting, we need more scoring, and

932
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: so they swing back the other way and now you're

933
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: going to be starting Kyrie, Clay and Luca. I mean

934
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: that does not sound like a sound go ahead.

935
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: But also like sorry, like think about Daniel Gafford and PJ. Washington.

936
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Now get a full training camp, but like they just

937
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: got thrown into the mix and completely changed defense with

938
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: what they wanted to do. Having that all that time

939
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: to prepare now and get everyone acclimateted, I think that

940
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: will kind of balance out what you're talking about, because

941
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: what you're saying is real. That is a bit of

942
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: a concern. But they can find ways to get everyone

943
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: on the same page.

944
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what they're banking on. And look, we

945
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: think Clay Thompson will start. I think Jason Kidd and

946
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe that's even an agreement of him coming to Dallas.

947
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: He wants to prove that he's still a starter in

948
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: this league. I just wonder how long that lasts if

949
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: he does struggle, specially defensively, if he is exposed, and

950
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: if he accepts maybe coming off the bench, which he

951
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: did at times. Remember with Golden statement, he had that

952
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: one monster game off the bench. He's like, ah, yeah,

953
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: maybe I should be like a Genobili And I just

954
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: keep thinking, like, will Kid be able to get through

955
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: to Klay Thompson, Like, hey man, I won a championship

956
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: when Jason Terry came off the bench and lit it up,

957
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: and he like played a ton of minutes. Still, and

958
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: you're still going to play a ton of minutes. But

959
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: maybe to set the tone, we start with somebody else

960
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: defensive minded, and then you still play thirty minutes a

961
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: game and you're our hero in the playoffs, Like Jason

962
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: Terrio is like like forty five percent from three on

963
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: much fewer three point attempts, Klay Thompson, we'd get up.

964
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: But still, I think it's a possibility. I think if

965
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: anybody could like convince him or whatever, maybe it would

966
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: be Kid because he was sort of in that and

967
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: saw it happen firsthand. But we'll see. I'm with you, guys.

968
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: I think that's it's a bit of a gamble again.

969
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: But it's cool that they're staying very aggressive here, trying

970
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: to tweak what they thought were their limitations to give

971
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Luca a chance to win a title. Yeah, for a

972
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: team that when they made the Kyrie Irving trade, followed

973
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: the next year by the PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford moves,

974
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: were like, well, this is their team. They're not going

975
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: to be able to change anything for the next couple

976
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: of seasons. They completely changed their wing rotation. Pretty good stuff.

977
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: And you know, I think the way the Western Conference

978
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: playoffs played out this year will be very similar to

979
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: this coming season. It's all about matchups, you know, right,

980
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: So is Klay Thompson okay to sit down for Naji

981
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: Marshall when the matchup calls for it.

982
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: We'll see.

983
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: Another thing I wanted to ask you about, Zach, because

984
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: you covered the entire league just like we do.

985
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: However, we live.

986
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: In at lant and uh came from Toronto and Chicago,

987
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: so we talk about the Hawks, the Raptors, and the

988
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: Bulls a lot.

989
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Do you care about these teams at all?

990
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love Scottie Barnes, right, I'm a big Scotty

991
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: Barnes guy. I you know, Zach Lavine is very near

992
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: and dear to my heart. Yeah. Yeah, Timberwolves, Timberwolves history.

993
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: He was uh, you know, I talked to him a

994
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: bunch as a rookie. He was really great. There was

995
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: a there was a rumor at one time that maybe

996
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: I would do some Wolves game op stuff with Zach

997
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: to Zach and talk some movies. Never materialize. Yeah, it was,

998
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: it was. It was a little it was a little

999
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: conversation here and there.

1000
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1001
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: But uh but yeah, like I and I think the Hawks.

1002
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: I mean, man, I've wanted the Hawks to be good

1003
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: for like three years now, Like I just ever since

1004
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: me of the Conference finals, I've been like, this is

1005
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: a talented team, they can win, and they just don't.

1006
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: And so I feel very invested. I was very invested

1007
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: in Jalen Johnson, so the fact that he had a

1008
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: big year last year was was was fun for me.

1009
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1010
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: We'll see if that that Jontay Murray trade ends up

1011
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: being what helps fix them. I don't really think it is,

1012
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: but I don't know what they do.

1013
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: Are you a Trey Young apologist or a Trey Young hater? Okay,

1014
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: because people I.

1015
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: Want him to like, I think he's really good, but

1016
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between really good and really

1017
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: good and knowing how to consistently win. I think that's

1018
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: the next step for him. We've seen him win a

1019
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: little bit, But he's just got to do more of

1020
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: the little things, more of the leadership stuff. And it

1021
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: doesn't even have to be the big like raw raw

1022
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: locker room guy. You don't need that. But you have

1023
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: to do things a certain way on the court, certain

1024
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: way in practice to kind of up the professionalism. And

1025
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: I think that's been the problem with the Hawks. I

1026
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: don't know where the accountability is, and at a certain

1027
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: point it's got to be with the Star.

1028
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: The Hawks haven't won a playoff series since twenty twenty one,

1029
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: the Raptors haven't won one since twenty twenty and the

1030
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: Bulls haven't won one since twenty fifteen. Which of these

1031
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: no dunks team wins a first round playoff series next

1032
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: It's literally going to be a decade for the Bulls.

1033
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

1034
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: This year.

1035
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: That's tough because I know they seem I don't know.

1036
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't I don't know that

1037
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: the that the Bulls are gonna be great next year? No,

1038
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, probably not. I'll go the Hawk. Oh, actually,

1039
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. The Raptors.

1040
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, go the Raptors. Okay, wow, Wow, I.

1041
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: Don't know how they do it either, But I just

1042
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: you know whatever.

1043
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: I don't think that it all star at least I

1044
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: don't think it's next season, I'll tell you that.

1045
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: But maybe they're first there out of those three teams.

1046
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: All right, final question with a big picture free agency,

1047
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: what is the biggest question remaining to you? Uh after

1048
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, three days now of all the free agency.

1049
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: We had a lot of signings, but there are some

1050
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: big names and obviously some potential trades. What do you

1051
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: got your eye on here?

1052
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: Probably, look, it should be where's DeMar derozen going? Is

1053
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Marketing going to get traded? Is brandon Ingram gonna trade?

1054
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: Those should be the questions that I have. Mine's just

1055
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: how do we get Tiest Jones away from the Wizards?

1056
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: That's all I care about. Like, I'm such a big

1057
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: Tiest Jones guy. I think he's a very very good

1058
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: point guard. He doesn't turn the ball over, he's a

1059
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: great playmaker, he hits shots. He's small, but he still defends.

1060
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: He's someone that would fit on so many teams. And

1061
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 2: I'm so worried he's about to go the Kuzma route

1062
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: of just hey, take your money with the Wizards. Don't worry,

1063
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: we'll trade you down the road and then it just

1064
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: never happens.

1065
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: Man, I thought, I love tyas Jones, but you love

1066
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: him even more than I do.

1067
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't I ever replaced this Jimmy art with Tyson.

1068
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: He did prove himself. I know it was with the

1069
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Wizards and they didn't want a lot of games, but

1070
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: we were. I remember when he goes there, everyone's like, yeah,

1071
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: but he has all these great numbers in a limited

1072
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: role for other teams, But can he do it as

1073
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: a starter? His efficiency watch, it's gonna cater And it

1074
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: did it. He was got even better. So he is

1075
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: a good at least, you know, I don't. He's not

1076
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: a top point guard by any means. He's probably still

1077
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: he would be the best backup point guard in the league.

1078
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: So you just want him out of Washington. You just

1079
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: want to save the poor guy, is what you're getting there.

1080
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, although you know there is part of me and

1081
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: I think I tweeted this the other day, but I

1082
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys remember this Lithuanian All Star

1083
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: game from thirteen fourteen years ago where Jones Valenciunis storm

1084
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: the court dressed as an actual wizard. Oh, like not

1085
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: a Washington Ward.

1086
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1087
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: Ye, now he's completed the journey of being a Washington Wizard.

1088
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that is the magic that they need to lift

1089
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: up their spirits into. Probably not, They're probably gonna win

1090
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: like nineteen games. But I just I like, I'm kind

1091
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: of obsessed with the Wizards in this very weird, almost

1092
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: pervasive way. Like for some I can't get enough. They

1093
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: can't play a normal basketball game over the last three years.

1094
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: Everything's weird with them. I like Kulabali, I like Kuzma,

1095
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: I like Tyas Jones. There's even part of me that

1096
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: wants to like Jordan Poole. There's so much of this

1097
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 2: team that I'm fascinated by, and it's just a train

1098
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: wreck and I want better for all of them. And

1099
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: I think that probably means they all leave. But I

1100
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe, you know, we've seen Disney movies before

1101
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: where things come together. Maybe they'll maybe they'll be the

1102
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: next one.

1103
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: Just able, they'll be the Mighty Yeah, the Misfits. Just

1104
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: now in tunis Man. That guy is a play in legend.

1105
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: He's played in every play In tournament so far dating

1106
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: bats to twenty twenty.

1107
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: The Lazy and you guessed that tias Jones, Wow, washing

1108
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: ten Seed, Wow, Wow, that surprises me. He's played in everyone.

1109
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: He's good. I mean, I like the we talked about

1110
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: it already, but the move of like bringing him in

1111
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: caught a lot of us by surprising. Well, what hel

1112
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: Junice is going there? But you know, you save Alex Sar,

1113
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: save his body a little bit, doesn't have to play

1114
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: the center position. They maybe just trade him. I think

1115
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: they will eventually to another team, but I don't think

1116
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good. Jonas Valanciuna says the Tias Jones

1117
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: of big men, they're fine guys.

1118
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: They're fine, and they're in the bottom ten at the

1119
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: starting positions in their positions.

1120
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they are they are. We think they're difference

1121
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: makers to good teams. I disagree.

1122
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 3: Okay, guys for different teams.

1123
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: Look at their careers. They've been on teams.

1124
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: You don't like to play in tournament then, because.

1125
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Bulls are always there. Do you have any other big

1126
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: questions with free agency?

1127
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: You consider trade season different than free agency season because

1128
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: it feels like free agency is almost over. Yeah, we

1129
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: got the rose in figuring out where he's gonna go,

1130
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: and man, he is getting squeezed right now to where

1131
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: it feels like he's gonna almost fit into trade season,

1132
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: because I feel like the question marks we have right now,

1133
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 3: number one is where's de Rose and going? It might

1134
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: be a sign in trade with the Kings. Then we

1135
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: got market in up in the air, the guys from

1136
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 3: the Nets who are still there, and Dorian Finney Smith

1137
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: and Cam Johnson, and then Ingram Levine. Jeremy Grant is

1138
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: a name that's coming up for the Lakers a lot

1139
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: right now. And then the Kings with Herder and Harrison Barnes.

1140
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: I just can't really tell if these should be separate

1141
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 3: from each other free agency and trade season.

1142
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: I threw this out on Twitter yesterday. I instantly regretted

1143
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: it because, holy crap, my mentions wouldn't stop because people

1144
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: just went back and forth, back and forth. Kevin O'Connor,

1145
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: throw it a trade proposal, Zach of Keegan Murray, Kevin Herder,

1146
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: and then Draft Capital bunch of draft picks to get Lowry,

1147
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Markinen and Walker Kessler. So I shared that tweet and again,

1148
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: whole crap, you know.

1149
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: How does that work? Like you're gonna put some bonus

1150
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: and marketing together defensively that's not good. Well, I'm sorry,

1151
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 2: I forgot Sabonis got an All defensive vote. Yeah, that's

1152
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: all right. Maybe I'm on the wrong side of that one.

1153
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think I like that deal. Like

1154
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: I think, if you're gonna give out Keegan Murray, who

1155
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: who I'm I'm big on, Like I do think it

1156
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: has to be a major player like Larry Markinen. But

1157
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: I don't think the fit there works at all for

1158
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: what they want. I think that would be so jumbled

1159
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: for for Sacramento and then for Utah. Like, yeah, it

1160
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: depends on the draft capital. If you get Keegan Murray

1161
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: out of Larry marketing, that's a big win for you. Yeah.

1162
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: So I don't really have a problem for that. And

1163
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 2: I just don't see how that makes the Kings definitely better.

1164
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: It makes them weirder, But I don't know that that's

1165
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: the goal.

1166
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you weren't alone. There was a lot of

1167
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: what the hell are you talking about? KOs So, there

1168
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: was a lot of that, but there some people like yeah,

1169
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: sort of like okay, I understand the idea of like

1170
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: the jazz, like you said, getting a young, really promising guy,

1171
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: and Keegan Murray heard her and shooting. Then you get

1172
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: the draft picks, like that's the thing. Like Danny Ainge

1173
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: definitely saw what mckil bridges went for, and it's like, oh, oh,

1174
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: hold on, we got Larry Market. This guy's twenty five

1175
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: and eight man, maybe not part of our long term plans.

1176
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a whole lot for him. And so

1177
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: he's like sort of that's why we get these rumors.

1178
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: I also just don't think anything's going to materialize with

1179
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: him now, at least here during the summer, but maybe

1180
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: moving forward. It feels most likely still that Brandon Ingram

1181
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: is the big name I think moved here just because,

1182
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: like Dave Griffin basically told us that was going to

1183
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: be the play. You know, I brought into Jon Murray

1184
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: right little Brandon Ingram right right right right, So we'll

1185
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: see there. But yeah, any other thoughts from either of you, guys, Zach,

1186
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: anything else on free agency or trade season, moving forward,

1187
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: or what you're doing for the fourth of July.

1188
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: Fourth of July, you know what, I'll put his name

1189
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: out there. I'm gonna be a comedian ian Carmel's house.

1190
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: There we go celebrate, celebrating the fourth and eating grilled

1191
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: meats and you know, buying his book, Go buy his book,

1192
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: T shirts, swim club. I'll promote it.

1193
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I could see it's the bottom corner of your skin.

1194
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: It's nice. That's gonna be in the pool party.

1195
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: There is no pool yet as far as I know.

1196
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: But maybe I'll dig one. I don't know.

1197
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: Qu you gotta day today? Dig one? Yeah? Okay, that's

1198
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: about what happens if a big trade breaks while you're

1199
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: at this party and you got a hot dog? Do

1200
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: you have to leave the party? What do you gotta do?

1201
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: No?

1202
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: I've when when Damian Liller got traded. I was walking

1203
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: the streets of Portland. I was in Portland for a

1204
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: little bit case. I wrote the article on my phone,

1205
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: sent it in. They made it all pretty and edited

1206
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: to make it coherent. You can do that. I will

1207
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: be pretty drunk. So these don't trade anybody on Thursday.

1208
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: But I you know, I don't want to put down

1209
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: the brisket to whatever meats are being I just know

1210
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: that a lot of meat was delivered.

1211
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: Did Kevin Durant officially sign with the Warriors on I

1212
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: think that happened.

1213
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: We have to check the date on that player's tribute articles.

1214
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: There check that out. So before we go, we do

1215
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: have some I was gonna say sad news, but not really.

1216
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: Kemba Walker, the all time leading scorer in Charlotte Hornet's history,

1217
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: four time All Star in twelve NBA seasons, He announced

1218
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: his basketball retirement on Tuesday. In a social media post,

1219
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: Kemba wrote, basketball has done more for me than I

1220
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: could have ever imagined. I am super thankful for the

1221
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: amazing journey I've had with that. I'm here to share

1222
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: that I'm officially retiring from the game of basketball. This

1223
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: has been a dream. When I look back, I still

1224
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: can't believe the things I achieved in my career. Kemba

1225
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: Walker Fan Zach Harper and any thoughts on him officially retiring, Yeah,

1226
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: I thought you were.

1227
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say this, Kemba Walker is to James

1228
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: Harden's step back jumper as Doctor j was to Michael

1229
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: Jordan's dunk. That kind of makes sense in my head, Okay, yeah,

1230
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: Like Doctor j was like, oh my god, he's the

1231
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: most impressive dunker ever. And then Michael Jordan came around

1232
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: and it was it changed things right, right, Kemba Walker

1233
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: was doing that side step, that step back jumper. At

1234
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: a very elite level in college before James Harden was

1235
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: making it a real thing in the NBA as much so,

1236
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 2: I think Kemba Walker we should maybe celebrate his step

1237
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: back and his side step jumper before we start giving

1238
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: everybody else the credit for making this a thing in

1239
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: the NBA.

1240
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well said. I was shocked to see he

1241
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: average over nineteen points per game in his twelve year career,

1242
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: which is pretty damn impressive. Spent a lot of that

1243
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: time with the Hornets early on, he is their franchise

1244
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: leader in scoring. Still two seasons with the Celtics he

1245
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: was an All Star in one of those years, and

1246
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: then one season with the Knicks mass Obviously, knee injuries

1247
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: did him in TK. But any thoughts on Kemba Walker

1248
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: saying goodbye?

1249
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 3: I think that the Hornets should retire as jersey this season.

1250
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: Bills is the only retired jersey that the Hornets have

1251
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: right now from back, I guess. I don't know if

1252
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 3: that was early two thousands, late nineties, which ever won,

1253
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 3: but as the all time leading scorer, a good guy,

1254
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 3: somebody that made the Hornets exciting to watch. He was

1255
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: a Bobcat for a little bit of time as well,

1256
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: so he crosses the era if I'm not mistaken, Yeah,

1257
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: I definitely was first of his career. So I think

1258
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: they should definitely hang Kemba Walker's jersey and the Raptors

1259
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 3: And I mean, yeah, you talk about those step backs

1260
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: in college. I mean he basically single handedly led that

1261
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: Yukon team to that run to win the championship way

1262
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: back in twenty eleven. Incredible stuff, Kemba Walker. He is

1263
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: officially retired. Zach can't thank you enough for jumping on here.

1264
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: Day before you gotta go to a pool party that

1265
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: you have to dig the pool for. Will you be

1266
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: watching nineteen ninety six's Independence Day at any point today

1267
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: or tomorrow?

1268
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, No, that has to. It's like it's

1269
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: like die Hard on Christmas, like you have. That's just

1270
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: gotta be on a loop all day long the park.

1271
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: You check in, you're like, oh, wow, Jeff Goldbloom, you know,

1272
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: he's really really figuring things out, like you just gotta

1273
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: you gotta, you gotta keep an eye on that. Maybe

1274
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: it'll be on my phone the whole time. I don't know,

1275
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: but you definitely have to watch it. I guess I

1276
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: might even watch the sequel. It's terrible, but I might watch.

1277
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: I like some bad movies.

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Speaker 1: There's a sequel to Independence Day. Oh yeah, July fifth,

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Speaker 1: fifth day after Tomorrow. Wow, when woul did this come out.

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Speaker 2: Eight years ago?

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Speaker 1: Is Will Smith in it?

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Speaker 2: No? His Well, there's a picture of him. It's his

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Speaker 2: son in the movie. It's his son, Riddy J. Not

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Speaker 2: Jaden Smith. But like the son of the.

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Speaker 1: Character Independence Day, resurgence.

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Speaker 2: Resurgence, but they come back. There might be a Hemsworth

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Speaker 2: in that movie. Wow, somebody, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is there a new president? I assume.

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Speaker 2: Yes. I don't think that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wow, this is all news to me.

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Speaker 2: Excited he got all day to watch it.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm figured out my day gold Bloom is back.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, how is Bill Pullman back president? That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't understand what that means.

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Speaker 2: Look, they had to change the election processing. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: guess so.

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Speaker 3: And there's a Hemsworth Liam, Yeah, oh Liam, Yeah, one

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Speaker 3: of the least known.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Respect to him.

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Speaker 1: Zach, you come into summer league.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll be the first weekend for sure, and

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Speaker 2: you can you can catch me somewhere around there. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I'll be hiding from somebody.

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Speaker 1: That's your favorite thing to do in Vegas?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, my favorite thing to do in Vegas is probably leave.

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Speaker 2: I enjoy my time there, but that flight out of

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Speaker 2: it is always great, isn't it. Like you feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got out of here at the right time. Even

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Speaker 2: if you did, you just like one more day would

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Speaker 2: have killed me here. But no, I love seeing everybody there.

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Speaker 2: We'll do some podcasts there, we'll do we'll do some schmoozing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and uh, and there's always a pool day. You gotta

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Speaker 2: have a pool day.

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Speaker 1: Hey, come join the join the Bamboo Boys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think I learned that from you guys

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Speaker 2: a long time ago, that you got to have a

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Speaker 2: pool day. So yeah, that the pool day is gonna

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Speaker 2: be the.

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Speaker 1: Best thing absolutely for your T shirts. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: shirts on in the pool all right, Everybody, go follow

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Speaker 1: Zach on Twitter, slash x at Talk Hoops. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you subscribe to the Bounce Essential NBA newsletter. You get

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Speaker 1: it every morning, that's free. You should get yourself on

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Speaker 1: a subscription to the Athletic as well, so you can

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Speaker 1: read Zach and all his trade grades and all the

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Speaker 1: great writers. Thanks again man for jumping on. Happy fourth

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Speaker 1: of July. Say hi to everybody at that party tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, all right, until next time, Clipper Rose you

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Speaker 1: heard it here first, have a great time turn up.

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Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember Jeff Goldbloom is the

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Speaker 3: most influential scientist of the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jurassic Park and Independence Day facts. You can do

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Speaker 1: it all. Embrace the fourth of July people,