1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 4: They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 4: super producer Alexis Cod named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 4: you are you. You are here. That makes this the 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 4: stuff they don't want you to know. And we want 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 4: to welcome some very special guests. Every Thursday. We are 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 4: immensely fortunate to do something that we call listener mail 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: because spoiler, that's what it is. Nobait and switch. Here, 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: We've got a bevy of amazing correspondence. We're gonna learn 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: a little bit about meditation, physical manifestation. We're gonna learn 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 4: about mind over matter in terms of what you can 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 4: make your brain and your nervous and hormonal system do 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: by the power of thought alone. And before we get 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: into any of that thought, it might be fun to 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 4: answer a little question. Might need some help around robbining 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: This from person who wrote an email to us that 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 4: made me say what in the Sam Hill? Because that's 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: the name they're going by. Sam Hill. 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really great. 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 4: You wrote that, Sam, that's all prating credit to you. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, who was it? 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 5: A favorite nickname of ours? Frank Lloyd Wrong. I saw 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 5: that on a TV show a couple of days ago. 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure they grabbed it from that might have 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: been parallel thinking, but I was like, that's that's that. 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: That was great. 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: Well, let's hear from Sam Hill. 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: And here's Sam. Sam says, I'm a longtime listener who 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: has always wondered if I would ever have a reason 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: to write. Well, I found one. You can read this 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 4: on the show if you choose and refer to me 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 4: as Sam Hill. Done and done brou Sam says, I 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 4: don't know if you've covered this topic in depth in 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 4: a previous show, but I couldn't find one if you did. 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: Sam is kind of following up on some of the 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: questions we raised with real estate and farming. Sam says, 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: I grew up on a family farm in central Wisconsin. 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: I recently took my girlfriend on a tour of the 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: area where I grew Note where I grew up, noting 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 4: all the changes in the thirty six years since I 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: left the farm. Life and moved to the city. The 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: only building still intact was the house we lived in. Unfortunately, Sam, 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: that's experience that's going to be common to a lot 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: of us. Your faithful correspondence included Sam says, I moved 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 4: away in nineteen eighty seven to pursue music in the city. Sam. 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: The first few times I read this, I swear man, 52 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: I thought you said I moved away in nineteen eighty 53 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 4: seven to pursue magic in the city. I was like, oh, 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: this is about a twist. But anyway, so Sam continues 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 4: and says, when I went to college, I was turned 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 4: down for any financial aid of any kind because my 57 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: parents made too much money as farmers, and two years 58 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 4: later my family lost the farm due to financial hardships. 59 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: Sam points out this is another bigger discussion that needs 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: to happen around farm subsidies. So he says, also, the 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: neighbor down the road from us bought our farm at 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: an auction and took it over. I don't recall what 63 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: we had at the for acreage. At the time, we 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: had four hundred and eighty acres in the mid seventies, 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: got as high as eight hundred and forty acres. 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: In the heyday. 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, big operation, and the neighbor who bought their land 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: had an even larger farm. And so with that background, 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: Sam says, fast forward back to now, so we're back 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: to the future with Sam. Sam says, I found out 71 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 4: while visiting with my family that the neighbor who owned 72 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: all that land recently sold it to China. I was 73 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: both stunned and saddened to think that my childhood home 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: had been sold to interest outside of the United States. 75 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: Whatever the amount of acreage involved, I assure you it 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 4: was significant. It's also an extremely large milk producing dairy farm. 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: And I online says Sam that Congress is currently discussing 78 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: the rampant buying of American farmland by China. My question is, 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: how is this even allowed to happen? To begin with? 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 4: Would I be able to just buy up land in China? 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: Our land was used for growing corn, wheats, oats, soybeans, 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 4: et cetera. Is the food grown there now shipped to 83 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: China or do they sell it here? Do they qualify 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: for the same subsidies as domestic farmers. I would love 85 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 4: to know more about the background on how this is 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: allowed to happen, as well as what Congress might do 87 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: to stop this from happening. Spoiler, Sam, not much. In short, 88 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: can you tell me what the Sam Hill is going on? 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 5: Isn't this just a question of capitalism, Like our country 90 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 5: is just like yes, buy whatever, sell whatever, but countries 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 5: like China, Russia, other countries in the world are more nationalistic. 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: Well well, okay, but I think there might be an 93 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: error here because I don't think that farm was sold 94 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: to quote China. It was probably sold to Chinese interest 95 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: private companies that maybe operate out of China or are 96 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: owned in China. 97 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a really great point, Matt. You're a 98 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: mind reader, dude. That's where we start. Because the government 99 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 4: quote unquote of China or the People's Republic, they're not 100 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 4: going to be buying a lot of stuff directly. That 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. It could be a state owned proxy 102 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: company or an investment firm. It's much more likely, however, 103 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 4: that it could be a non wholly owned state subsidiary. 104 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 4: It could be a very wealthy individual who wants to 105 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 4: find a safe place to park their money. And that 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: is definitely something that we are going to see on 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 4: the uptick now. Because the nation of China is incountering 108 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: some dangerous storm clouds on the horizon. It's not just 109 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: the bill of the one child policy coming due. There 110 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: is a lot of there are many economic plot twists ahead, 111 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: and wish the people of that country the best of 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: luck with those. So yeah, you're absolutely spot on, man. 113 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: It's probably not the big government of China. It's not 114 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: like Giping is slamming the kitchen table going I need 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 4: more milk and o and soybeans. Maybe he is, I don't, 116 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: I've never hung out with him. 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: It would be a smart move to control the manufacturing 118 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: of food in you know, a rivaling country. 119 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, which is why, Which is why there's such 120 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 4: a double edged sword or devil edged sword if we 121 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 4: want to keep the misspeak there to farm subsidies in general. 122 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 4: But there's another question, Sam asked, and Sam, it's fascinating 123 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 4: that we haven't addressed this in more depth in previous 124 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: episodes or listener mail segments. Sam says something very reasonable. 125 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 4: Can I just go buy land in China? You know, 126 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 4: if I have, Sam Hill, if I like, if I 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: have a couple hundred mil can I just roll up 128 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 4: somewhere and say I'm gonna buy this village? 129 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, to travel to other countries, 130 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: you have to have certain credentials and certain bona fides 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 5: and like visas and things like that to get a job. 132 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 5: So one would think to purchase land that would benefit 133 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 5: your personal portfolio, you would have to have something similar, right, Yeah. 134 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: And it gets it can get pretty dicey because, as 135 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: as mentioned earlier here, there are many countries that do 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: not really allow foreigners to own property or real estate, 137 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: and a big part of that is the shadow of 138 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: imperialism and colonialism. The world learned how that can go 139 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 4: wrong right now, and this may be astonishing for some 140 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 4: of us. There's no what you could call land ownership 141 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: or freehold owning land in China the way there is 142 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: in the US and a lot of the West. All 143 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: of the urban land in the nation of China is 144 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: owned by the Chinese government, like right out by the 145 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: Chinese government. You can get these leases on this state 146 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: owned land. And if you go outside of the city, 147 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: if you try to buy that farm, for instance, what 148 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: you'll find is all suburban and all rural or agricultural 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 4: land is owned by collectives, local groups of farmers. It's 150 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 4: called collective land. So let's assume you're a Chinese national. 151 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: You can say, hey, can I get a lease on 152 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: this land, and they'll lease it to you. Can I 153 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: use it for something? Can I grow you know, can 154 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: I grow soybeans or et cetera on this land? Then yeah, 155 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: But when they allow you to use it, when they 156 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: allow you to lease it, you cannot transfer ownership of it. 157 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: So if you have least like if you're a real 158 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: estate magnet magnet and you have least the land to 159 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: build a huge apartment complex, you can't really sell it 160 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: because it's not really yours. It's changing a little bit. 161 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: I think it was in twenty nineteen there was a 162 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 4: law pass that allows rural collectives to transfer I guess 163 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: not even ownership, but transfer the ability to use land 164 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: for certain things like hey, you can grow you know, 165 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: potatoes here. Just remember it's not really yours. And for 166 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: people in the US, that can seem that can seem 167 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: very strange. 168 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: Totalitarian kind of you know. 169 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I was looking at with your question, Sam, 170 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 4: it kind of turned me into a dog with a ball. 171 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: It's kind of difficult to get citizenship in China, and 172 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: getting citizenship would allow you to participate in this lease scheme. 173 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: China is actually, if you're in the West, China is 174 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: one of the most difficult countries when it comes to citizenship. 175 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 4: It's like Vatican City, Liechtenstein, Bhutan, Cutter Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, China, 176 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: and you know all the hits like North Korea or Iran. 177 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 4: It's going to be much more expensive than buying land 178 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 4: here in the United States. And that barrier to entry 179 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 4: is one hundred percent on purpose. 180 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense, That's what I would have assumed. 181 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 5: But to the listener's point in question, are there opportunities 182 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 5: elsewhere for that and what are the benefits? 183 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 184 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, as I said earlier, there are a lot 185 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 4: of countries that, due almost entirely to the concerns of 186 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 4: colonialism and other exploitative systems, have just said, look, if 187 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: you are not from here, you don't own land here. 188 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: But of course money moves, and there are ways around this. 189 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: It is not uncommon, for example, for wealthy Westerners to 190 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 4: relocate to Thailand and then get a business partner or 191 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 4: get a spouse or something, and then have the land 192 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 4: in that spouse's name right, and just hope their relationship 193 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 4: works out or hope their business partner keeps it one 194 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: hundred with them the entire time. That adds a level 195 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: of risk that is not present in US real estate. 196 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: I know there's some stuff going on. We talked about 197 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: it before with Saudi Arabia right where there were nationals 198 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: buying up expensive properties in large bulk rates basically, but 199 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: there was also some recent reporting out of CBS News 200 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: about a Saudi Arabian company buying up land. I want 201 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: to say it was in the Southwest, like Arizona, Nevada, 202 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: those areas, and they were accessing aquifer water water that 203 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: was deep low and they were just pulling it out 204 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: of the ground for uses that were not necessarily for 205 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: like an American company or something like that. I don't 206 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: know what I'm You're. 207 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: One hundred percent right yet again, now what you're talking 208 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: about is Fondo Monte Fondomnte is a company. Is how 209 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: the shell game works. It's a company that's owned by 210 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: another big dairy company that is of course owned in 211 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 4: practice by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, by the House 212 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 4: of Saud. You're absolutely right. It was western Arizona. They 213 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: bought a ton of land there, not necessarily to grow anything. 214 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: But to practice resource extraction of the groundwater aquifer because 215 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: in that part of the US there are absolutely no 216 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: regulations on how much water can be humped out of 217 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 4: the ground. Nesley must be so pissed right now. 218 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we should have figured that one out. 219 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: No, have you figured out our game? Is what Neslie says. 220 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 5: M Well, again, my original point was like capitalism. It's 221 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: like our whole system is based on like resource extraction, 222 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 5: paying for resources, paying for commodities, and the system is 223 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 5: so behind the new data about how this is actually 224 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 5: very bad for life on this planet. And not to 225 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 5: mention the lobbies and stuff that are like trying to 226 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 5: keep it in the old way, but it's just really 227 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: hard to walk it back, you know. So I think 228 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: the fact that anyone from any country can buy land 229 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 5: here makes sense. 230 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 3: It tracks for the way we do business. 231 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that, And and Sam, I 232 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: would agree with you as well that there is an 233 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: unsustainable discrepancy here. And you hit on two points that 234 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: are simply going to become more and more important as 235 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 4: the years while on. Unless the religious folks are right 236 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: about that red cow that we discussed earlier this week, 237 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: right now, what we would love to do. Would love 238 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: to hear from people who have firsthand experience with struggling 239 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: family farms. Tell us the real deal about this. We 240 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: would also love to hear your experience with foreign investors 241 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: in real estate or hey, if you have a story 242 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 4: to tell, tell us about your experience as a non 243 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: native somewhere in the world participating in the real estate game, 244 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: because again, my understanding is it gets much much easier 245 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 4: the more money you have. One eight three three std 246 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: WYTK Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We're going to pause 247 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: for a word from our sponsor and we'll be back 248 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: with more messages from you. 249 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: And we're back. We are going to hear a little 250 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: story here from an anonymous person that I am going 251 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: to guys, I'm going to give this person a nickname 252 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: at the end, but I'm going to wait until we 253 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: hear the phrase within the stories. Yeah, okay, here we go, 254 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: and Anonymous rights. Hi, guys, a long time listener, first 255 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: time sharer. I wanted to share with you a quote 256 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: supernatural story that happened to me and my three year 257 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: old son this past Tuesday on nine to five. I 258 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: think that you may find it interesting. Before I start, 259 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I just want to point out that I've had multiple 260 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: supernatural encounters since i was a little boy growing up 261 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: with my parents' house, from seeing full bodied apparitions to 262 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: hearing disembodied voices and objects moving. I guess seeing objects moving, 263 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: so I'm no stranger to otherworldly encounters. 264 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 4: I was listening to your podcast on is Reality a Simulation? 265 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: And I figured this was the push I needed to 266 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: share this. My wife, who is of Jewish faith and 267 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: of Catholic faith, have our religious views. We both tend 268 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: to fall more into spiritualism and focus on meditation and 269 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 4: letting the universe guide us. We often listen to various 270 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: manifestations and reality shift meditations, and our strong believers in 271 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: the multiverse. 272 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 5: Sorry for this info, dumb. Let me dive into the 273 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 5: story to note. My wife was at work since eight 274 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 5: am and my seven year old son was at school, 275 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 5: so only my three year old and I were in 276 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 5: the house. While taking a break from my work, my 277 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 5: three year old son and I were playing a game 278 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 5: of cat and mouse. Interesting, I've never played a game 279 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: of cat. 280 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: And mouse with my kids. 281 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: Well, is that like chase or. 282 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: To continue? 283 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 5: While running down the hall toward my three year old's room. 284 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 5: I passed my bedroom. Out of the corner of my eye, 285 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 5: I could have sworn I saw my wife sitting up 286 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 5: on our bed, a human shaped figure against a white, 287 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 5: leathery headboard. 288 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: It's kind of hard to miss. 289 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: Now, knowing that she was not at home, and aware 290 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: of the fact that I was running through the hallway, 291 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: I kept going and chalked it up to my eyes 292 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: playing tricks. However, not five seconds later, my three year 293 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: old runs into his brother's room. That's my seven year 294 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: old who's at school, and says out loud and as 295 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: clear as day. 296 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: Aha, there you are. I got your mama. 297 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: I kid you not. When he said those words, my 298 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: face dropped. I walked into the other room and said, baby, 299 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: what did you say? Being three, his attention span is 300 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: as good as a fli's and he comes running over 301 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: for a hug. I said to him, why did you 302 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 2: say I got your mama? And he said, I saw mama. 303 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 5: Now, I've seen enough horror ghost movies in my life 304 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 5: to know that this usually means something ominous. I immediately 305 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 5: call my wife and ask her if she's okay, to 306 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 5: which she responded that everything was fine. I explained the 307 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 5: story and she told me that she was on her 308 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 5: lunch break and really was wishing she was back home napping. 309 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 5: She said she was in her car and before I called, 310 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 5: she had just finished doing a reality shift meditation. Okay, 311 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 5: can we take a pause real quick? What is a 312 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 5: reality shift meditation? 313 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: This is a style of meditation, let's say, like a 314 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: guided meditation. Usually that exists. It's very common now, especially 315 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: you can find it on TikTok, Instagram, places like that YouTube. 316 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: There are like ten minute, twenty minute guided meditations for 317 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: reality shifting. The concept here, at least to my understanding, 318 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: is that you can alter your reality. The reality that 319 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: is surrounding you are the one that you are operating 320 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: in your avatar. You can change that by focusing on 321 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: the changes you wish to see. That's the concept, right, 322 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: But it goes deeper to where some people think you're 323 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: physically shifting timelines. It gets into multiverse theory where theoretically 324 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: there are an infinite number of Matt Fredericks and Noel 325 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: Brown's have been Bolan's, and we. 326 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: Can change cashers an anthem by location. Yeah, it's a 327 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: whole thing. It's all about. 328 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 5: It also sounds like mentally forcing an acid trip or 329 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 5: something kind of to a certain degree. 330 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: No matter what you are, you are using your mind. 331 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: You're like focusing and shaping your mind to kind of 332 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: change the way you maybe see things because of what 333 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: you want to see. Right, It's more like shifting perspective 334 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: in my opinion than actually shifting realities. 335 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a psychological transcendence. The difference between this 336 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: and the idea of forcing an acid trip or creating 337 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: a psychedelic experience in your own mind, which is totally possible, 338 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 4: is that in this case, our person who for now 339 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: is anonymous, saw the result which would not happen with 340 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: a with a self induced meditation, and continues to say, 341 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 4: we came to the conclusion that this was her manifestation 342 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: coming through and that in another reality she was home 343 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: with us getting a chance to nap. 344 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: She manifested naptime. 345 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 2: Well, but like physically a cross time and space and 346 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: into her bedroom and then into her one of her 347 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: son's rooms hanging out. Okay, let's finish up the message 348 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: here from Anonymous. We've been doing these types of manifestations 349 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: for about two years now. Nothing like this has happened before. 350 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: I do not believe there's some entity in my house. 351 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: In the six years we've been there, nothing out of 352 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: the normal has happened. Again. I know this is a 353 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: lot to read, and sorry, I've heard the infodel. Just 354 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: wanted to share this little nugget of weirdness. Agreed never 355 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: and then thank you anonymous aka white leather headboard. That's 356 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: it stood out to me so much. God yes of 357 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: his leathery white headboard on his bed. I was like, 358 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: what kind of like and not leather? 359 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 4: You know, so shout out to you. W L h 360 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: us send us a picture. Is it creepy for us 361 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 4: us to ask for a picture of the bedroom? Well, 362 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 4: there's a reason because see, knowing where the kid is running, like, 363 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 4: knowing how it looks from the hallway, you know, encounters 364 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: peripheral vision, et cetera, et cetera. Matt, I got to 365 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 4: tell you, honestly, I practice a lot of meditation, so 366 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 4: I'm a little biased on this one. Three a lot 367 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: of weird stuff. So I have to recuse myself by 368 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: simply saying I don't think science has the answers, and 369 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 4: I'm gonna stand by that. 370 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: Well that's a I mean, that's a pretty good answer 371 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: in my opinion. I've done some experimentations with astral travel attempts. 372 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: Let's say with that those kinds of things we've been 373 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: We've been covering this for so long. I'm sure we've 374 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: tried a number of things that we don't even tell 375 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: each other about because honestly, they're a little weird. I mean, 376 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, they interest us, and for me personally, there's 377 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 2: a bit of a fear if I told you guys 378 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: some of the weird junk I've attempted, you know, associated 379 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: with our episodes Matt. 380 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 4: You know the you know, the past of my family. 381 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 4: So it's like, I'm pretty sure that if you if 382 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: you described something, even if I didn't know exactly what 383 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: it was, I would probably just back you up. I'd 384 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 4: be like, yeah, you don't give it a shot. Who knows, 385 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 4: don't hurt anybody. 386 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: But what I would say is I have had experiences 387 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: in a meditative state where it feels as though I 388 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 2: am somewhere else, My consciousness is in another physical location, 389 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: and I feel as though I am observing things that 390 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: are occurring in that location. And I know that sounds 391 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: really weird, and I'm using the phrase I feel as 392 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: though because that is how I experiencesing it, Well, that's 393 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: how I experience it. It doesn't mean that I'm actually there, 394 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: But wow, what if you could. 395 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 5: I have a really good friend who I knew in 396 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 5: like middle school, but he was older than me and 397 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 5: was like a really cool artist guy, and then i'd 398 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 5: sort of reconnect with him later in life, and he 399 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 5: is this filmmaker and really into like astrophysics and like 400 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 5: psychedelic stuff, but he's never been like a heavy drug user. 401 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 5: But the first couple of times we hung out, like 402 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 5: later in life, he just told me unequivocally that he 403 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: astral projects all the time and like really believes it. 404 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 5: And it really was the first time that I was 405 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 5: forced to question my judgment about something like that, where. 406 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: I was like, he believes it. He's saying it in 407 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 3: such a matter of fact way. I'm like, how could 408 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: I possibly call this man a liar? You know what 409 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: I mean? 410 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 5: Like's that's rude at the very least, disrespectful at the 411 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 5: very most. And I was just like it really made 412 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 5: me rethink, you know, And I don't think he's mentally ill. 413 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 5: He's a very functional, creative person, you know. And I 414 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 5: was just really taken by how much he expressed it 415 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 5: with such confidence. 416 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: Well, we're certainly not the only ones. Neither is White 417 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: leather Headboard and his spouse. There are people out there 418 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: all over the planet right now experimenting with this stuff, 419 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: attempting this stuff. Some people taking it a lot more 420 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: seriously than others, right like choosing to focus on this 421 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: as almost to study or to incorporate it in part 422 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: of their lives as something they do every day. Maybe 423 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: you could compare it to prayer, like everyday prayer kind. 424 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: Of thing that, yeah, that's great, smart. 425 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 2: Or even waking up and reading a newspaper like that 426 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: kind of ritual that watches people. 427 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 3: Have that kind Yeah for sure. 428 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know me man, and I play some importance 429 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: on ritual. I think it's it's important and just lives 430 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: as individuals, and it echoes up, It resonates upward into 431 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: social dynamics of groups. So if you have if you 432 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 4: have ritual that aren't harming people, and uh, you you 433 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 4: run into someone who's uh to your point z being 434 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 4: rude or disrespectful about it, just keep it moving. Don't 435 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 4: worry about them, uh green, because they're they're their own problem. 436 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 4: I do want to There is a cool note that 437 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: this reminds me, Matt of a a great quote from 438 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: the band Tool for anybody whos a fellow Tool fan. Uh, 439 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 4: the frontman Maynard James Keenan said once. He said, Yeah, 440 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 4: it's you know, you can take psychedelic drugs and get 441 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 4: to this amazing mind state, but that just shows you 442 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 4: where you want to go and the real, the real 443 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: discipline is to get there without the crutches, and which 444 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: I think is a is a pretty fascinating and noble thing. 445 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: And it sounds like w l H. It sounds like 446 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 4: you're well on the way. Would love to hear more 447 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: of these stories. 448 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 2: I love that just that it's not a flex. It 449 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: was to tell us that the headboard was white, so 450 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: that you know the difference in the color and like 451 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: shadow you'd notice in your periphery. Yeah, I agree, just 452 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: be like, yeah, my white leather headboard, the red. 453 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 4: Leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather. 454 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: All right, Well that's it for now. We'll be right 455 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: back with more messages from you. 456 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 5: And we're back with one final piece of Listener, And 457 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 5: it's very apropos to what we've been talking about this 458 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 5: whole episode. The idea of controlling your own headspace, controlling 459 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 5: your own experiential sort of like bubble. 460 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 3: I'll get right into it. 461 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 5: This comes from I'm gonna call them Rice because they 462 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 5: didn't give us permission to name them. 463 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: Hello. 464 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: A few years ago, during COVID, I moved back into 465 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 5: my parents' house to pursue a degree. I was turning thirty, 466 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 5: A difficult time to decide to uproot a career, A 467 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 5: humbling experience. However, forever grateful to the amazing parents I 468 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 5: have and for their understanding and willingness to help my 469 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 5: move forward in the roller coaster of a life. During 470 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 5: that time, my father recommended your podcast. Thanks Dad, I've 471 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 5: been hooked ever since. You have helped me through breakups, 472 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 5: panic attacks, life transitions, and much more so. From the 473 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 5: bottom of my heart, I deeply feel when I say 474 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 5: this that I'm speaking for many Thank you so much, 475 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, very kind thing to say, And 476 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 5: we usually don't read these kinds of like things parts 477 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 5: of the emails, but I just thought it was very 478 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 5: well written and I appreciate it. With that being said, 479 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: I think this topic deserves some research, as it might 480 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 5: be considered taboo, but I believe is tangible and is 481 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 5: possibly explainable to one degree or another. I have been 482 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 5: able to release adrenaline voluntarily. I'm not sure when I 483 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 5: realized that I was able to do so, or have 484 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: invested thought into the origin. I'm not exactly sure how 485 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 5: I do it, and I don't do it often, as 486 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 5: it can feel physically detrimental. Having said that, I have 487 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: dealt with panic, attack acts an anxiety throughout my younger life. 488 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: I know what adrenaline feels like. 489 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 5: In a typical fight or flight response, the body prepares 490 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 5: itself to well flight or fight. It does so by 491 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 5: dumping adrenaline. Not a great feeling. However, when not in 492 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 5: a panic mode, I'm able to dump adrenaline without the 493 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 5: anxiety or panic, and am able to discern that it 494 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 5: is merely a physical response without all the mental turmoil. 495 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 5: If it interests you all, I'd love a deeper dive. Well, 496 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 5: I think it's worthy of a deeper dive beyond just 497 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 5: this conversation. But it's so interesting that adrenaline can be 498 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 5: experienced by a human as like. 499 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 3: I'm pumped, I'm stoked, I'm ready to go. 500 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 5: You know, that's one use of adrenaline, and some people, 501 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 5: you know, spend a lot of money to take drugs 502 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 5: that do that very thing for them, you know, amphetamines 503 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 5: and whatever it might be. So it is for me 504 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 5: interesting to think about. Yeah, adrenaline is kind of a 505 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: negative thing, but it also is a thing that, in 506 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 5: the history of humanity is a thing that makes you 507 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 5: realize you need to run away. 508 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 2: Man, Guys, I don't know enough about the science here, 509 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: but for me, I've experienced the high adournaline thing when 510 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: when I've been extremely nervous, like a state of oh, 511 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what. I would call it, a hypervigilance 512 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: kind of thing where I can feel myself almost shaped 513 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: like tremors, like minor tremors, where I'm like but focused 514 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: on something, and it is I completely agree with Rice here. 515 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: It's a terrible feeling when you're in that state, right, 516 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: It is almost it's almost fear. Maybe it is fear 517 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: because associated with fight or flight, like we're talking about, 518 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: but a physical sensation of it. I am fascinated to 519 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: know what it would be like to have that chemical 520 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 2: flow through you when you're in the mindset, in a 521 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: different mindset, right like that. 522 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: You sound control of it, right, Yeah, it. 523 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: Sounds like a superpower to me, like like mutant X 524 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: Men level style, where I can release adrenaline and do 525 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: like stupendous feats that I couldn't do with my much Funny. 526 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: You say that there's a sci fi series that's absolutely 527 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 4: about that. One of the principal characters has the ability 528 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: that you're describing Rice, which is to activate is adrenaline 529 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: for a very short amount of time to allow him 530 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 4: to accomplish extraordinary feats of strength, like when you hear 531 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: about the mom lifting the car up de siber Kid. 532 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: There's a great stuff you should know about that. Currently, 533 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 4: the science says that there is no proven case of 534 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 4: a human being consciously releasing adrenaline or other chemicals of 535 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 4: this nature without taking physical action or having like a 536 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 4: panic attack or something like that. Everyone can release adrenaline 537 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 4: through extreme activities, you know, roller coasters, and I guess 538 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 4: the last thing to add, of course, it's fight, flight 539 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 4: or freeze. Unfortunately, a lot of people freeze. That's why 540 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 4: so many high stakes training scenarios depends so heavily on 541 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 4: muscle memory. 542 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 5: For sure, and my kid recently, because of some neurodivergent 543 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 5: type stuff, was given a waiver through the school system 544 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 5: to have a little more time for tests and things 545 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 5: like that. And we just discussed the other day how 546 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 5: much of a difference it's made. Just the knowing that 547 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 5: you have a little more time has made them not 548 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 5: go into freeze mode. Just interesting has made them not 549 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 5: go into freeze mode. And it like, you know, it's 550 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 5: easy as a parent to be like, oh, they're just 551 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 5: lazy that just don't want to do the work, but 552 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 5: like it is real, Like anxiety address, these kinds of things. 553 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: Are very very real. 554 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 5: So this was a very big deal conversation we had 555 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 5: because I was like, oh, okay, I really get it. 556 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 5: Like the way they explained it was like, this is 557 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 5: a functional thing that you have helped me attain. And 558 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 5: I also think it's interesting with this listener that adrenaline junkies, 559 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 5: the idea of people that are adrenaline seeks, that's a thing. 560 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 5: So that's why I was sort of struggling with it's 561 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 5: inherently negative because I think some people think they thrive 562 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 5: on adrenaline. 563 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know it can be great a gosh, 564 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: I you're gonna tell a personal story. It can be 565 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: great for me when I'm playing drums if I get 566 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: a little bit of that feeling, and then I feel 567 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: like I could play drums for forever, you know, but 568 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: if if I'm not, I can tire out super easy. 569 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: So like man, I wish it does make me wish 570 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: I had this button. Let's do it, guys. Let's develop 571 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: an adrenaline a control mechanism. 572 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 4: All right, I'll text Pfizer back. Just get back on 573 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: DARPA's Instagram. 574 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: They are gonna need to make some money with all 575 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: those drugs coming off the shelves. 576 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 4: That's right, they are, They are in the whole. 577 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: We should help them out. What do you think, guys? 578 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 4: For sure, there's a there's a question I have for you, Rice. 579 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 4: I would love to well, being respectful your time and 580 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 4: your your anonimity comfort level. I would love to hear 581 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 4: what your process is, what your ritual is for experiencing 582 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 4: this feeling. Are there physical things you do, like you 583 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 4: know the old canard about how people are stronger if 584 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 4: they put their arms on their hips a kimbo a 585 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: word I never get to use. Or is it more 586 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 4: of a mental process, And if so, is that mental 587 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 4: process ritualized or is it just like you know, like 588 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 4: Matt said, is it just the mental version of a 589 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 4: switch that you can flip, kind of like how flexing 590 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 4: your jaw can make your ears click for some people. 591 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 4: These are very interesting questions I would love to learn 592 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 4: more personally. 593 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 5: Oh same, And it makes me think of there's a 594 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 5: really great X Men adjacent television series called Legion where 595 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 5: it really kind of flips the script of mutant powers 596 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 5: into a mental health kind of more like you know 597 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 5: what we know about psychology and things like that, And 598 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 5: I think it's a really well done show. But a 599 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 5: lot of the way the powers are portrayed in that 600 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 5: Shoh is about a mental ability to control things in 601 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 5: the body that are like usually automatic, and I think 602 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 5: that's a very interesting perspective. So with that, I think 603 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 5: it's time to end today's episode. 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