Speaker 1: Well, Mets fans, It's finally happened. Carlos Mendoza has been
Speaker 1: fired as the manager of the New York Mets. It's
Speaker 1: about a month and a half too late, which that's
Speaker 1: probably the most frustrating part of this. But Andy Green
Speaker 1: has been announced as the interim manager. Shot out my
Speaker 1: dad for being first to that, calling Andy Green all
Speaker 1: the way back in April when the Mets really were
Speaker 1: starting to stink it up. Andy Green could be the
Speaker 1: guy shot Big Mark. But Carls Mendoza error is over,
Speaker 1: and it was not a good one. No, it was
Speaker 1: not a good one. There's We're gonna have two kind
Speaker 1: of parts that we talk about with Carlos mendoza firing.
Speaker 1: One is the fact that I think he was a
Speaker 1: poor manager. Who is the fact that there's no way
Speaker 1: this was all his fault. Both of those things can
Speaker 1: be true right now. I think if you take a
Speaker 1: scroll on Twitter, you would think Carlos Mendoza like spent
Speaker 1: his free time. I don't know, like mother Teresa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I can't even imagine what he was doing that
Speaker 1: maybe we don't know about. Maybe the there's a lot
Speaker 1: he was doing that we'll know about. Maybe that'll all
Speaker 1: come out. I'm excited for what's going to come out.
Speaker 1: Can't because now we're going to get some great anonymous
Speaker 1: quotes sourcing articles. Whenever Will Salmon or Anthony Dicomo decides
Speaker 1: to write the next book, that's going to be amazing
Speaker 1: with great quotes from Carlos Mendoza here. But I think
Speaker 1: that's the story, is that even even the game last night,
Speaker 1: let's talk anecdotally, just briefly, there was a golden opportunity
Speaker 1: in the fifth inning. Left handed Matthew Boyd is being
Speaker 1: taken out of the game because Mark Fiantro's coming to
Speaker 1: the play. Mark Fiento's for all of his sports, demolishes
Speaker 1: left handed pitching, absolutely demolishes them. There is a runner
Speaker 1: on first I think Solo has just drawn a walk
Speaker 1: or had a single, bringing the righty to face Fientos,
Speaker 1: and you have Jared Young sitting on the bench. Jared
Speaker 1: Young has become the starter for this team against all
Speaker 1: right handed pitching at first base sometimes the age sometimes
Speaker 1: corn rautfield and the situation where every single game where
Speaker 1: one of the pitcher with that hands and it starts
Speaker 1: the game and Jared Young gets the playing time, gets
Speaker 1: the played appearances he does. In this situation, Marfanti is
Speaker 1: a horrible at bat, go into the field the first play.
Speaker 1: The next inning, Ryan Breshow doesn't make the best throw
Speaker 1: from shortstop, which again he's starting a short stop anyway,
Speaker 1: and Mark Fianto's on a pick, closed his eyes, moves
Speaker 1: his head out of the way, and just lets the
Speaker 1: ball clank off the heel of his glove. Let's a
Speaker 1: big inning happen, Mets to lose the game, and then
Speaker 1: Jared Jones comes up next time. Mark Fiantros comes to
Speaker 1: the plate against the right hander hits a home run. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: the process we've always talked about with Carlos Mendoze, even
Speaker 1: when things went well, was head scratching. We didn't think
Speaker 1: he was a particularly good in game manager. It felt
Speaker 1: like a lot of times there was the feel was
Speaker 1: very broken. It didn't seem like the feel ever particularly
Speaker 1: made sense. We really hated how much he shuffled around
Speaker 1: the lineup so much in terms of where guys were hitting,
Speaker 1: and he loved pressing the button of oh you're struggling,
Speaker 1: now you go to the leadoff spot. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that can be said about Carlos Mendoza's tenure
Speaker 1: as a manager. But I think ultimately, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the Mets were extremely disappointing as an organization,
Speaker 1: as a team performance wise when Carlos Mendoz was on
Speaker 1: the field. And I know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: going to bring up twenty twenty four, but I think
Speaker 1: it's really important to remember that it took a Latin
Speaker 1: pop star and JD Martinez getting onto this team for
Speaker 1: the Mets to completely turn it around. That beginning of
Speaker 1: the season was an absolute disaster. There's too many ebbs
Speaker 1: or ups and downs. It's not an ebb and flow
Speaker 1: because that's a little bit different, but there's too much
Speaker 1: up and down. It was too much of a roller coaster.
Speaker 1: Carlos Mendoza was extremely steady with his emotions, but in
Speaker 1: terms of performance, the Mets were anything but that. Yes,
Speaker 1: and kind of like you said, even the magical year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, this team started poorly. The Mets didn't
Speaker 1: have a consistent season under Carlos Mendoza, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: kind of futile to expect a consistent season. Baseball is
Speaker 1: a game built on randomness. One hundred and sixty two
Speaker 1: games in the season. It just never felt like the
Speaker 1: team really responded to him in a way that was
Speaker 1: beneficial to winning. I think they responded to him a
Speaker 1: lot as a person. As a man, I think they
Speaker 1: respected him and really liked him as that seems like
Speaker 1: a great dude. Like all the stuff that we say
Speaker 1: about him as a manager has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: Carlos Mendoza the person. And I don't think this team
Speaker 1: ever quit on Carlos Mendoza. I never saw blatant issues
Speaker 1: with effort, even in the disaster game on Wednesday night
Speaker 1: that we gave you guys emergency episode after last time,
Speaker 1: it was one of the worst baseball games we've ever
Speaker 1: seen a team play. It wasn't effort, it was sucking.
Speaker 1: Big difference there, huge difference. It was being bad at baseball,
Speaker 1: not not wanting to play baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if there was ever something to talk about
Speaker 1: in terms of the players and Mendoza, the connection between
Speaker 1: the two, it just felt like there was a lack
Speaker 1: of preparedness at times. It felt like this team played hard,
Speaker 1: but sometimes they weren't ready to play the game that
Speaker 1: was in front of them. Whether it was the preparedness
Speaker 1: at the plate for the pitchers that are coming into
Speaker 1: the game, or defensive positioning, or even just something again
Speaker 1: as simple as there was six errors in a baseball game.
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen at the little league level in games,
Speaker 1: and that happened for a professional baseball team. The players
Speaker 1: were not put in situations to be the most advantageous
Speaker 1: or successful. I don't think they're the most prepared. I
Speaker 1: don't think they were the sharpest. And at some point
Speaker 1: it does have to fall on the manager and for
Speaker 1: everybody saying, well, David Stearns, David Stearns, David Stearns, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit more later. He's not
Speaker 1: going to fire him, So the manager is always going
Speaker 1: to be the first pin to fall. Now, all the
Speaker 1: pressure knows go to David Stearns about what this team
Speaker 1: can look like moving forward. But Carlos Mendoz, I think
Speaker 1: we can objectively say did not do a good job
Speaker 1: as the manager of the New York Mets. He's two
Speaker 1: hundred and six and one ninety nine. Totally. Both guys
Speaker 1: did the poor job heading into this season, absolutely true.
Speaker 1: And I do think that there's something about organizational structure here.
Speaker 1: This isn't Mets specific. There is everywhere where. The manager
Speaker 1: is going to have to eat a lot of shit
Speaker 1: for the executive because the executive built the roster. The
Speaker 1: mager can just play the roster, and then the executive
Speaker 1: probably can have to eat some shit for the owner
Speaker 1: because we don't know exactly the directives they're getting from
Speaker 1: up top. Apparently there's non dishes. Everything goes together, so
Speaker 1: you're always eating shit for the person above you. So
Speaker 1: I guess that also gives you more slack, which is
Speaker 1: why I kind of thought that we might have gone
Speaker 1: through this whole season. Mendoza may have not gotten fired,
Speaker 1: But what we say from Harpers Hits the other day,
Speaker 1: like all that shit was happening, and Mendoz looking numb
Speaker 1: on the top step like he did kind of look
Speaker 1: numb for the last month. I think he knew he
Speaker 1: was a dead man walking. He looked this entire season.
Speaker 1: He looks him last year too, And I feel like
Speaker 1: at times like you do want that steady hand, you
Speaker 1: want that e and keel guy, right, But for a
Speaker 1: team that so desperately seemed to need a spark so
Speaker 1: many different times, even in the season of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: their most successful season that they had. You can point
Speaker 1: to a moment where they literally had this huge spark,
Speaker 1: this this massive thing happened and it turned things around.
Speaker 1: And it seems like this team and this organization, whether
Speaker 1: for good or bad, needs that. And Mendoza is not
Speaker 1: that guy either.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I mean, but also, are there that many guys like
Speaker 1: that in the league anymore? Are there many raw round
Speaker 1: managers left? Might not be? I mean, I think Pat
Speaker 1: Murphy's a guy who can get some people go, and
Speaker 1: I think he's got to. He's also a big softy.
Speaker 1: He well, yeah, he's a softy. But I do think
Speaker 1: like the and something that we've talked about, and maybe
Speaker 1: me so more so than that, is I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: know how much of like a leader of men Carlos
Speaker 1: Mendoza is. It seems like Carlos Mendoza was a very
Speaker 1: player manager focused and I think there is totally space
Speaker 1: in baseball for player managers. We've seen them work in
Speaker 1: the past, but you do at some point need to
Speaker 1: hold these guys accountable. And even the fact that Mark
Speaker 1: Viento started at first base after having a two error
Speaker 1: game when Wagman is there, like Wagaman probably should have
Speaker 1: just started just simply off the thing of Hey, Mark
Speaker 1: Vento's unacceptable play. We have to see if somebody else
Speaker 1: has got it, and he couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 4: Sea Geek is MLB's official ticket marketplace, and in addition
Speaker 4: to finding every single game on the MLB calendar, there
Speaker 4: are big events coming up very soon.
Speaker 2: There's an All Star game. There's a home run derby.
Speaker 2: And if you think you're perfect and you can pick
Speaker 2: the right seat at the home run Derby to get
Speaker 2: the most home run balls, you can get the little
Speaker 2: green dot and that might be your lucky seat. Don't
Speaker 2: go red dot, though, because you might not get any balls,
Speaker 2: but go redgreen dot and get as many home run
Speaker 2: balls as you think you can catch.
Speaker 4: Yep, you click the seat, you check out what your
Speaker 4: view is. Each ticket's rated on a scale of one
Speaker 4: to ten, so you know you're getting a good deal.
Speaker 4: And that's what AJ's talking about. Green good, red bad.
Speaker 4: With those dots and the code for you territory one
Speaker 4: zero for ten percent off your next set of tickets
Speaker 4: at sea Geek. That's ten percent off any MLB ticket
Speaker 4: with promo code Territory ten. Make sure you click the
Speaker 4: link in the description of this episode that'll help you
Speaker 4: download the app and get the code automatically added to
Speaker 4: your account so that you can use it later. Thank
Speaker 4: you to Zekeek.
Speaker 1: And those first few at bats. Yeah, we're terrible, and
Speaker 1: he takes out of bad against the arriety. It is
Speaker 1: just the small things of not similarly understanding the leverage,
Speaker 1: doing a little bit of mavericking, trusting his gut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: aps over and over again. But these are the things
Speaker 1: that us Mark and I gave Mendoza credit for when
Speaker 1: things worked out two years ago. As a manager with
Speaker 1: fields manager knows what the trust his gut turns out,
Speaker 1: that's a hard thing to rely on over and over again. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we'll probably never really know, or at least until
Speaker 1: the articles come out next Monday, about what the spread
Speaker 1: was in lineups and decision making processes between the front
Speaker 1: office and the manager here. But there were a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions that were made, and we talked to them
Speaker 1: about you with you guys every single week that were like,
Speaker 1: there's no one who would make that decision if they
Speaker 1: had numbers in front of them. It helps career in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty five, coming in out part of the
Speaker 1: All Star Break, first pitcher out of the All Star
Speaker 1: Break in a close game, Alex Carrio, and again things
Speaker 1: like not pinch hitting Mark Fianto's against the ride of
Speaker 1: the day before, things like you said, having Mark Fiandas
Speaker 1: in the lineup, like it seems like maybe that could
Speaker 1: have been a sticking point as well, sticking with your
Speaker 1: guy Mark Fianto's because you were there, you were his
Speaker 1: manager for the breakout season, and you're hoping that guy
Speaker 1: comes back. I could see that having been a pressure point,
Speaker 1: a wedge between Carlos Mendoza and David Stearns, while also
Speaker 1: understanding that probably a lot of these moves did come
Speaker 1: from David Stearns. We'll never know about all the horrible
Speaker 1: lefty lineups the Andy of Bania at the Austin Slater
Speaker 1: time in May, like, we don't know who was making
Speaker 1: those decisions. I'm assuming that was David Stearns. There's probably
Speaker 1: some kind of conversation about what was happening lineup every
Speaker 1: single day, but just regardless, it was time for this
Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, No, it was time, and I think
Speaker 1: it was time A month ago might have been a
Speaker 1: time almost two months ago. Might have been time. By
Speaker 1: the end of last season, when the Mets had an
Speaker 1: absolutely catastrophic second half collapse and couldn't get anything going.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Carlos Mendoza started off
Speaker 1: with an absolutely bang, and it's been worse and worse
Speaker 1: and worse and worse ever since. And he just simply
Speaker 1: cannot be the manager of the New York Mets any longer. No,
Speaker 1: he's not the manager of New York Mets any longer. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's Andy Green now.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: And quick recap of Andy Green's credentials here right off
Speaker 1: to Wikipedia. He led the Missola Osprey to the Pioneer
Speaker 1: League Championship of twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, led the Mobile
Speaker 1: Bay Bears to consecutive first second half titles, Southern League
Speaker 1: Manager of the Year twenty fifteen. Guys first job in
Speaker 1: the Major League bench their base coach at Diamondbacks. Then
Speaker 1: he was the Padres manager for a few years. He
Speaker 1: was don't look at their records, don't look at their records.
Speaker 1: Not a very good time. But he was the first,
Speaker 1: wasn't he the first Preller manager? The second he might
Speaker 1: have been, Yeah, and that twenty nineteen team that would
Speaker 1: have been Tatis, right, that would have been Tatis Rokie year.
Speaker 1: That twenty fifteen team, that was when they went ballistic
Speaker 1: though they had the first crazy offseason with Preller. Yeah
Speaker 1: he yeah, and he came in for twenty sixteen Andy Green,
Speaker 1: that was his first year managing the Padres. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe it was the second the second Preler year
Speaker 1: after the team completely fell apart into fifteen and he
Speaker 1: had to trade everybody that retrade everybody. Then he was
Speaker 1: fired from that job. And then he was a bench
Speaker 1: coach for the Cubs, and then he's been in our
Speaker 1: front office. Yeah. No, he's been working player development side,
Speaker 1: I believe, senior VP of player development. Yes, and he
Speaker 1: has experience. People you know, sometimes don't like these first
Speaker 1: time managers, even though a lot of these the ones
Speaker 1: I know he's not, so there you go, can't be
Speaker 1: mad about that. He's also interim in the season's over,
Speaker 1: so whatever. Andy Green was probably just the guy who
Speaker 1: wanted to manage his team, honestly, right, And this probably
Speaker 1: is about one Andy Green having a good relationship with
Speaker 1: David Stearns. These two guys working together closely, with Green
Speaker 1: being the VP of player development is probably also going
Speaker 1: to be about Green now in the second half of
Speaker 1: this team, playing this roster in a player development style.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, developing the players at the
Speaker 1: major league level, which is something that we have seen
Speaker 1: some inconsistencies with for the Mets, especially with just playing
Speaker 1: time for some of these guys that are trying to develop.
Speaker 1: And this this season is over Patent Lee speaking, and
Speaker 1: we can say that very openly, especially after getting just
Speaker 1: swept by the Cubs, after losing two straight to the Phillies.
Speaker 1: This latest six game losing streak the official final nail
Speaker 1: in the coffin absolutely no chance this team makes a
Speaker 1: playoff run. So this is about seeing who's going to
Speaker 1: be here in twenty twenty seven, who's real and who's fake.
Speaker 1: This is the last gasp of air for Brett Baty
Speaker 1: and Ryan Marazio still with the final options definitely as
Speaker 1: trade chips. This is seeing what's going what's going with Bobaschet,
Speaker 1: What are you going to do? How goods Jared Young,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Eric Wagerman, Whether we gonna get
Speaker 1: out of bench and you wing? No, I'm serious, because
Speaker 1: that's it's actually going those guys are actually absolute candidates
Speaker 1: for the roster next season.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just insane to say out loud, like
Speaker 1: we're talking about the twenty twenty six Mets and I
Speaker 1: heard you just say out of your mouth on video.
Speaker 1: Gotta see what Eric Wagaman could look like. It's an
Speaker 1: insane world we live. And yeah, to the game yesterday
Speaker 1: and everything changed on the dime, Like those two guys
Speaker 1: should be a first base right now. It should be
Speaker 1: no more. Marek Viento's should not play again. Mark Vianto's
Speaker 1: can definitely play against lefties because he still hits them well,
Speaker 1: but there has to be a l a lot of
Speaker 1: manicuring of when he comes in out of games because
Speaker 1: he can't hit righties and he can't play defense at
Speaker 1: any position. And again, that may have been the final
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin, say in terms of Carls Mendoz's
Speaker 1: decision making, because I was there with my whole family.
Speaker 1: It's like, why in the world's Mark fiancee is getting
Speaker 1: to that bad against rity. There just can't be a
Speaker 1: reason for this. No, it did it again from a
Speaker 1: process standpoint, it made absolutely zero sense. But yeah, Carls
Speaker 1: Mendoza's and it wasn't good, should we? So we switch
Speaker 1: the conversation now to the sentiment online. Yeah, definitely, bullshit's
Speaker 1: going on on the internet right now, just patently speaking bullshit.
Speaker 1: You're seeing every beat reporter, every media person and this
Speaker 1: and that, like you mentioned early on, like was Carlos
Speaker 1: Mendoza mother Teresa, Because the way that his firing now
Speaker 1: is being talked about in the media when it's so
Speaker 1: obvious he should have been fired. It was obvious a
Speaker 1: month ago. This team lost twelve straight games, they're fifteen
Speaker 1: games out of first place in the NL East. Like,
Speaker 1: there has never been a more obvious firing than this
Speaker 1: one right now. And it's being talked about as if
Speaker 1: the team had all the success in spite or not,
Speaker 1: because I shouldn't say in spite all the success in
Speaker 1: Carlos Mendoza was a part of every reason for that. Yes. Also,
Speaker 1: these are people in the media who had dated day
Speaker 1: relationships with Carlos Mendoza. Yes. And when your friend gets
Speaker 1: fired from like the coolest job your friend, the best
Speaker 1: job your friend's ever had, you're like, oh, I feel
Speaker 1: bad for my friend. And also there is like I
Speaker 1: said before, there's the push and pull between Mendoza and
Speaker 1: David Stearns, where David Stearns freezes every single one of
Speaker 1: these media people out consistently, doesn't seem to really give
Speaker 1: them anything, seems he seems that he had horrible answers
Speaker 1: the other day. He seems to make their job more
Speaker 1: difficult on absolutely not even day by day basis, hour
Speaker 1: by hour basis. So it makes tons of sense to
Speaker 1: absolutely cop for the guy that you liked more, that
Speaker 1: treated you with more respect than the other guy. I
Speaker 1: do love. Just also, hearing how David Peterson talks with
Speaker 1: the Cubs starts six weeks ago, we didn't hear a
Speaker 1: peep about it, you know, drives these media people absolutely
Speaker 1: insane that they can't get a morsel of a leak
Speaker 1: from the New York Mets front office. A big reasons
Speaker 1: for part David sertins. But the thing that does bother
Speaker 1: me again is the revisionist history stuff that also goes
Speaker 1: on here, like John Haman going on MLB Network and
Speaker 1: mentioning incorrectly unless he was being tongue in cheek, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he has that kind of juice to
Speaker 1: him where he said Luis Robert, Well, Luis Robert and
Speaker 1: Jorge Polanco have never been injured. I surely that has
Speaker 1: to be sarcastic, but he didn't have a sarcastic tone
Speaker 1: to it. Then also talking about how the Mets were
Speaker 1: given in Carlos Bondoza was given an awful roster this year,
Speaker 1: when I'm pretty sure we have articles from Hayman in
Speaker 1: the offseason talking about all the great moves that they made,
Speaker 1: everybody doing this and even passing did it yesterday to
Speaker 1: about that the entire Mets season has been at Litany
Speaker 1: in an error, when I believe Jeff passion and talked
Speaker 1: about how the Mets were like one of the five
Speaker 1: teams that could win a World Series this year. It's
Speaker 1: just it's crazy how there is a lot of revisionist
Speaker 1: history when this happens, and we've seen it happen with
Speaker 1: these guys too, like when Jared Porter got hired and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But Nicky, Yeah, yeah, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it was a failure of a season.
Speaker 1: It is a failure every season. David Sturts deserves Yeah,
Speaker 1: two fires seasons, Yeah, two failures season. David Sturtns deserves
Speaker 1: a ton of Flack. It's a lot of his fault.
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of very bad decisions, decisions that
Speaker 1: have backfired. But to pretend like the decisions when they
Speaker 1: were made were being lauded and then now because they
Speaker 1: didn't work, it's like, Wow, yeah, we actually knew that
Speaker 1: this was going to be the case.
Speaker 5: This episode is brought to you by fan Duel Baseball Fans.
Speaker 5: The MLB season is in full swing and fan Duel
Speaker 5: is giving you a chance to call your shot with
Speaker 5: Daily Dingers. Joining the action is easy. Just make your
Speaker 5: free pick on who's hitting a home run in their game,
Speaker 5: and if you're right, you'll get a profit boost to
Speaker 5: use on your next bet for a chance at extra winnings.
Speaker 5: It's just another reason why fan duel is the home
Speaker 5: of home runs. So are you ready to play your game?
Speaker 5: Head over to FanDuel dot com slash podcast asked to
Speaker 5: get started. That's FanDuel dot com Slash Podcast. To opt
Speaker 5: in for Daily Dingers and make your free pick on
Speaker 5: who's hitting a homer. Playball and swing for the fences
Speaker 5: on FanDuel, an official partner of Major League Baseball. No
Speaker 5: purchase necessary, opten required. Bonus issued as non withdrawable profit
Speaker 5: boost tokens. Restrictions apply, including any token expiration and max
Speaker 5: wager amount see terms at sportsbook dot FanDuel dot com.
Speaker 5: Gambling problem call or text one eight hundred gambler.
Speaker 1: And also the fact that thinking about leverage for a second,
Speaker 1: one guy's a five year deal, one guy doesn't have
Speaker 1: any more years on his contract. Yeah, that's it. The
Speaker 1: one guy with the more time, the more guaranteed money
Speaker 1: committed to him, is going to stay longer. So I
Speaker 1: could a fire himself. The whole season was really weird
Speaker 1: from the jump. When carlsmindows it kept his job, it
Speaker 1: was every single coach around him got fired. Some who
Speaker 1: left on their own accord. Some we want to bring
Speaker 1: back and didn't come back. Some we didn't want to
Speaker 1: bring back, some we did fire. And now you have
Speaker 1: and the team with entyler new roster, a staff with
Speaker 1: all new coaches, but the same guy standing in the middle.
Speaker 1: It just didn't make any sense. It was difficult for him,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming to earn true, honest respect. The team completely
Speaker 1: lacked accountability. They never looked prepared. It was the whole
Speaker 1: thing just felt bad the whole time. Again, it's not
Speaker 1: all Carls Mendoza's fault, but sit here and say it's
Speaker 1: not his fault at all. It's crazy, that's disingenuous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we did our blame pie video the other day.
Speaker 1: What would give Mendoza thirty thirty five percent? I think
Speaker 1: something like that, and I think that's totally fair. Like
Speaker 1: even talking to a shout out our British friend Kieran
Speaker 1: who he was like asking me more like, what can
Speaker 1: the manager's role be in on the Gaplin? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was explaining to him like how baseball isn't tactical like
Speaker 1: these other sports, but they do still have an impact.
Speaker 1: It is just at a different level. And Carlos Mendoz's
Speaker 1: impact that he had the decisions that he could made,
Speaker 1: he just didn't really make the right decisions almost Ever,
Speaker 1: here's another part of it. To judge this and my
Speaker 1: dad and I did this on the train yesterday because
Speaker 1: we smelled it in the air after the double heather
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Yeah, of course, can you remember, first you
Speaker 1: can cross Mendoza gets another MLB managerial job. I don't.
Speaker 1: Can you remember the last former Mets manager to get
Speaker 1: a job in managing managing a professional Major league baseball
Speaker 1: team after managing the Mets. Oh god, all right, let
Speaker 1: me do this from memory. Let me try to go
Speaker 1: through then real quick. So it was Mendoza, then Buck,
Speaker 1: so Buck hasn't gotten one. Then it was Techning carls Peltron,
Speaker 1: he's not goett one. Then it was Mickey Callaway, he's
Speaker 1: never getting another one. Before Mickey was Terry, Terry's not
Speaker 1: getting another job. Before Terry, it was Jerry Manual, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And then oh, he didn't get another job managing. And
Speaker 1: then it was Willie Randolph, he has gotten another job managing.
Speaker 1: And then before Willie Randolph it was Hard how and
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten another job managing. And before him it
Speaker 1: was So it was Bobby Valentine. It was Bobby Valentine.
Speaker 1: What happened with Bobby Valentine got another job managing. He
Speaker 1: got fired very quickly because he was not fit to
Speaker 1: manage because players were drinko Beardy and chicken wings in
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. Oh god, So we have this long standing
Speaker 1: record of not bringing managers up but getting the guys
Speaker 1: who kind of are on their last stint. Again, that's
Speaker 1: not changed in the Steve Colle, Louis Rojas for got
Speaker 1: Louis Rojas. He hasn't gotten hired either, but he also
Speaker 1: got it in a weird situation. Yeah, he also got
Speaker 1: their base coach shops, so that's something. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: it's that's kind of the measure right now. Like I
Speaker 1: don't think he gets the job again, and I think
Speaker 1: that he kind of Carls Mendoza showed that his in
Speaker 1: game decision making was brutal. He didn't have a team
Speaker 1: prepared fundamentally, and again, a lot of that reflects on
Speaker 1: the players, but manager multiple years and again even we
Speaker 1: talked about this, a lot of the lack of cohesion
Speaker 1: with this team in the early part of the season
Speaker 1: does kind of have to fall on Carlos Mendoza, like
Speaker 1: you have all winter and all spring. The coaches were
Speaker 1: all new and it was bad and again, very difficult
Speaker 1: situation for you to succeed in, completely almost entirely set
Speaker 1: up to fail this year, Carlson Joda specifically, But you're
Speaker 1: gonna be great manager, you gotta overcome that, and that
Speaker 1: that's probably not that fair to him, but it just
Speaker 1: wasn't overcome. And that is something like that happened, and
Speaker 1: it sucks. But it's true. You also just like can't
Speaker 1: have the same record as like the Los Angeles Angels
Speaker 1: and expect to keep your job, and how every game
Speaker 1: it was an in game decision. We're like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: There were weeks at the time where Devin Williams didn't pitch,
Speaker 1: like it was hard to manage the pinch hitting, the
Speaker 1: abs challenges have not even improved, really, Nio that as
Speaker 1: the season's gone on, like over and over again, there
Speaker 1: were things that were like, Okay, if there was a
Speaker 1: good manager here, I think this would be handled differently,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. So at some point you have to
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and be like, I think this
Speaker 1: might not be a good manager. Yeah, And unfortunately for
Speaker 1: Carls Mendoza, that I believe is the case. And we
Speaker 1: will find out if he ever gets hired again. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see what the rest of the league thinks about him.
Speaker 1: But I do think that this is his last managerial job,
Speaker 1: and that should tell you everything about what everyone else
Speaker 1: thinks about this manager outside of the Mets world. I
Speaker 1: think we'll get another job job, yeah, just just not
Speaker 1: a MLB manager job unless it's the Angels. Maybe when
Speaker 1: they fire Kurt Suzuki after his one year contract. Another
Speaker 1: one here, Steve Phillips is not carlsmon Dooz's fault. I
Speaker 1: thought this was a clumsy roster from the start. Why
Speaker 1: didn't you say that March Steve Steve Phillips Actually, oh
Speaker 1: he did. Steve Phillips was a hater of the Mets
Speaker 1: from the start, because I remember being like, we shouldn't
Speaker 1: listen to this. Definitely don't google Steve Phillips on Wikipedia
Speaker 1: and see what his history is. But at broken clocks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: broken clocks right, twice a day. I've done it a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, it is again saying the ross
Speaker 1: is clunky fair. That was being way too rose color
Speaker 1: coming into the season and thinking this roster was much
Speaker 1: better than it was. Also the fact that I think
Speaker 1: it was Michael Barrion was like he's rotated through six
Speaker 1: first basement. It's like, okay, yeah, that's not really a
Speaker 1: reason that the manager should not be at fault because
Speaker 1: there were a couple of different first basement that you
Speaker 1: played all season. Like, that's just kind of how God
Speaker 1: if Pete Amso was on this team. We have thirty
Speaker 1: eight wins. Yeah, with a few more wins, for sure,
Speaker 1: a few more wins. We're thirty eight and forty four,
Speaker 1: probably a little bit closer to the wildcard race, but
Speaker 1: also probably still so might be looking to trade Pte
Speaker 1: Alonzo if he took a contract with opt OUTSW. I'm
Speaker 1: getting insane takes, and much the time I don't want
Speaker 1: to read that one. No person who No, the takes
Speaker 1: are legitimately horrendous right now that I'm seeing from the media.
Speaker 1: I think that it's crazy that we can't have these
Speaker 1: two things be true, like we said very very early
Speaker 1: on this episode, and is probably how we're gonna leave you.
Speaker 1: Two things can be true. Carlos Mendoz is a bad manager.
Speaker 1: David Stearns has done a bad job as the president
Speaker 1: of Baseball Operations. Both things can be true. David Stearns
Speaker 1: won't fire himself first. No, absolutely, it's very hard to
Speaker 1: say that both of those are not true. Yes, it
Speaker 1: would be impossible, very impossible to say that both of
Speaker 1: those are not true. And this is also thankfully I
Speaker 1: think again, like I said before the final nail on
Speaker 1: the coffin, I think that Steve Conan now committing to
Speaker 1: selling Yes, so it's I'm very excited to sit now.
Speaker 1: I'm not excited to south the deadline, but I'm happy
Speaker 1: to salvage is the lost season any possible way we
Speaker 1: can in any way whatsoever, playing for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Let's see what we got going into next year. Let
Speaker 1: me let me get excited about something next Season'll just
Speaker 1: make make make player development the focus the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. See who's gonna be on the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: seven teams? See Andy Green can actually be your manager
Speaker 1: next season? We said, or if he even wants, if
Speaker 1: he might like the player development job, and he's like, ah, whatever,
Speaker 1: back this back to the front office. Definitely funny for now. Again,
Speaker 1: all these coaches looking around probably smell blood in the
Speaker 1: water coming to this job in the winter. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: god damn it. Well, they also didn't do a good job,
Speaker 1: so they shouldn't be promoted. They shouldn't be given this
Speaker 1: opportunity at all either. So now we might have to
Speaker 1: reset the coaching staff entirely for the second season in
Speaker 1: a row, which is a very difficult thing. I kind
Speaker 1: of had the thought yesterday too about why this team
Speaker 1: has struggled so much, all these first time coaches in
Speaker 1: these positions could be trying to do a little too
Speaker 1: much too quick, trying to change, or not knowing what
Speaker 1: to do now that we went to do it like,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of And again it's not like
Speaker 1: Carls Mendoza's like the most experienced manager in the world.
Speaker 1: This wasn't like lou Penela in the two thousands, an
Speaker 1: entire book show Walter No No, No, managing like a silly
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Race team. I was trying to go over
Speaker 1: the hump for the first time. Like this was a
Speaker 1: lot of people who trying to learn what they were
Speaker 1: doing on the fly. And that probably was another mistake
Speaker 1: by David Stearns. Big mistake by David Starts again set
Speaker 1: up to fail. Still didn't do a good job. Carls Mendoza.
Speaker 1: Carls Mendoza has been fired. That's what we've got. If
Speaker 1: you're expecting more, I mean, we've been waiting for it
Speaker 1: for months, So I just don't have the juice to
Speaker 1: scream and yell about how excited I am. But let's
Speaker 1: see what the Mets got. Philly's coming up later today.
Speaker 1: They're they're going to beat the piss out of us.
Speaker 1: I mean, this team is so bad, like watching his
Speaker 1: team to the baseball last night. I just so bad.
Speaker 1: I gotta one show the bibblehead on Thursday and I
Speaker 1: walked into stadium six forty five. That's so bad. It's
Speaker 1: good Bobblehead Too's get a little little brabblehead rocks great,
Speaker 1: great bobbleheads. But yeah, back in the team. I was
Speaker 1: gonna put it up before. I assume we did the
Speaker 1: episodes this afternoons. I enough time too, because we did
Speaker 1: this like right, real quick. But that's all we got
Speaker 1: for you guys, right, nothing else, I said. I'm good,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for watching. Subscribe to mets UFF if
Speaker 1: you're listening to us, appreciate you. Download the podcast. We'll
Speaker 1: catch on the next one. Beas Out, beast Out, It's
Speaker 1: called mets.
Speaker 3: A. Then loves, then love and then love the love