1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Cooputer broadcaster inside the NBA analyst Hall of 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Famer Charles Spark clay back on the program. Good morning, Chuck. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: How you doing, yo? Man? Why you get only you 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: got me up this early in the day on morning 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: only you. That's how much I like your as I 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: love you as. I will never get up this early 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: in the morning only because of you. All Right, Well, 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: what are you going to do the rest of the day. Well, 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sleep in, I'm telling what about wake up now, 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: I'll go play golf all day. I got the day 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: all well, now that you have a golf swing here, 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: you're looking good. I'm getting better, brother. Get shout out 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: to my coach stan Lay. I worked hard and I 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: want some more of you. You know I won't you. 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: I look, I remind people I'm one of the last 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: people who saw you play well. And that was in Dayton, 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Ohio when you shot a seventy nine and you played well, 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: and you should have retired there or stopped taking lessons, 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: you know what. I'm just glad to be out playing, 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: having fun again, smoking me a couple of guards, drinking 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: a little bit Hey, that's not There's only two things 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: old people can do, golf and fish, and I love 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: both of them. All Right, I got a question for you. 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: I'll give you two PGA championships or one Masters. What 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: would you rather have? Well, I think it'd probably be 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the Masters, because you know, it's just that's you know, 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: unless you're from overseas, what they think the Open Championship 29 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: is the greatest thing ever. I think winning the Masters, 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: with the tradition in history, I think that I think 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: that would be it. How about three PGA championships or 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: one Masters? Well, I think three three kind of takes 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: it to a whole nother level. So I'd go with 34 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: three of those. But listen, winning one masters that's historical, 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: two is different, but three, I think I go to 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: go with three PGA's. How about an NBA Championship or 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: the Masters? Well, I think the Masters personally, I mean, 38 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: because they they give out the NBA Championship every year, 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: and I know they do the Masters every year, but 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: like nobody knows who won the championship five years ago 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: in the NBA. But you know, to be able to 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: host I mean, think about that. I think that's such 43 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: a great tradition. You know, you talk about places you 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: want to be. Can you imagine being at the Master's 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: dinner on Tuesday night with only guys who won the 46 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Master and you get to pick out the menu. That 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: would be one of the coolest things ever, Dan, I 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: mean that, I mean think about that. You get to 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: pick out the menu, and there's probably I don't even 50 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: know how many living Master's Champions there are, it can't 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: be more than thirty. What would your menu be? Uh, 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: probably fried chicken, hamhocks, neck bones, chit limbs, some type 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: of pecan pecan pie, some collar greens. I'd go all oh, 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: I mean you know they ain't had no chillings or 55 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: hamhocks and neckballs there. I might even throw some figures 56 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: picker beats in there. They give them a little sold. 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: When you go back to Alabama, you got a restaurant 58 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: or go to restaurants. I'll go to Flemings every night 59 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: when I'm in Alabama because I'm in a small town 60 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: and we don't have any restaurants, so I have to 61 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: drive to Birmingham, my hometown leads. We don't have any restaurants, 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: so we I drive. I spent every night when I'm 63 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: in Alabama. I go to Flemings. Uh, they just take 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: good care of me. Then and I take a couple 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: of my homeboys and we have a great night. I 66 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: saw that you gave back to your school. You were 67 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: giving out a thousand dollars to employees at your high school. Well, 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, Dan, it's been a tough year. It's been 69 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: a tough year in the world. So shout out to 70 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: anybody who lost somebody to COVID or lost their job, 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: you know. And you know, I love teachers. I admire them, 72 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: I respect them, and I want to do something nice 73 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: for the teachers in my hometown. And I thought it'd 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: be nice to give them a little year in bonus. 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: I mean, because I know it's been crazy. I couldn't 76 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: imagine it's so funny. I talked to all my friends 77 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: who've got kids. They found out doing this COVID situation. 78 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: When their kids at home, their kids are painting the ass. 79 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: They're like, They're like, yo, man, my kids are crazy 80 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: having them at the house all day. I'm never gonna 81 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: say anything bad about teachers in my life. So I 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to all the teachers 83 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: out because everybody realized during the pandemic, my kid as 84 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: crazy as hell. What were you like? If I talked 85 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: to one of your grade school teachers, what would they 86 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: up said about you? Oh? I didn't start going crazy 87 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: until probably my second or third year in the NBA, 88 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: when I first got into this whole craziness. I was 89 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: a really quiet shot kid back in high school. But 90 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, once you get into line light, man, it's 91 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: a different animal. And first of all, I got into 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: line light in Philadelphia. I tell people there's nothing can 93 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: There's there's nothing that can prepare you for being famous. 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing in the world. And then to do it 95 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, it's a whole other animal. So I was 96 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: a good kid. I had great friends and great teachers. 97 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: Miss Turk, Miss Hill, Miss Robinson love y'all. Miss Robinson 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: passed away from missus Turk and Miss Hill were amazing. Uh. 99 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: My coaches, Willace Hanneticut and Billy Copeland were amazing. You know, Dan, 100 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: I always tell people, you know, I watched the news 101 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: all the time. You see how crazy it is and 102 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: some of these big cities going to going up in 103 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: a small town with a couple of people, Man, I think, 104 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: what's a really great thing for me because I didn't 105 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: know what I was missing. But I didn't have to 106 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: worry about all that crime and all this craziness is 107 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: going around in the country that you see every day 108 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: on television. But you said your second year you had 109 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: the spotlight on you, Like, how goofy did it get 110 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: for you? It's something you can't even explain. You know, 111 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: microphones in your face every day, guys asking you questions 112 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: that you know I'm trying. Are you trying to learn? 113 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: But are you talking about your social life? Like when 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: you went out and you know that you were you 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: were exposed to a big city. Yeah, and it was crazy. 116 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: I tell you the story. Then I think, Uh, at 117 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: the beginning of my third year, I became a star 118 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: and it was overwhelming. And this is how stupid I was. 119 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: I had. I got a guy, a bunch of men, 120 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: and my guys together. I see you, man, it's hard 121 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: for people walking up to you all the time or autographs, 122 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: take pitches. Let's go somewhere so I can get away 123 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: and we can just be boys. And I've never been 124 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: out of the country at that point, so I said, Hey, 125 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: let's go to Hawaii for a week. Nobody'll know me 126 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: in Hawaii. I'll get I'll get like, nobody gonna know me. Man. 127 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: That's how crazy it was, because like when people coming 128 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: up people on autographs and pitches all the time. When 129 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: it first happened, just a little over women. But I 130 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: took like four of my friends we went to Hawaii. 131 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, nobody's gonna know me and Hawire And 132 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: that was my first like, oh yeah, I've been in 133 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: the limelight. It's totally different. It's totally different than anything 134 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm ever gonna experience. But I like, oh man, this 135 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: is gonna be weird. They know me in Hawaii. It's crazy. Yeah, 136 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: But imagine if you're Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods and 137 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: like you know, or a big time actor or a musician, 138 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: and you're traveling like you can't go anywhere. Well, you 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: know what, I've been close with Michael and Tiger at 140 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: some point. Out of all the celebrities I've ever met 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: in my life and been around, Michael and Tiger are 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: the only two that people absolutely lose their mind when 143 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: they're around. Like, and I listen, I've been around everybody, 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: damn to a certain degree. But I will say this 145 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are the only two athletes 146 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I've ever been around where people absolutely lose their mind 147 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: when Michael was in his heyday and Tiger and Tigers 148 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: always been Tiger. Those are the like, those are the 149 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: only two guys I've ever been around. Like people get 150 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: excited when you're around other guys, but people absolutely when 151 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: Michael was in his heyday, people and the same thing 152 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: with Tiger, people just stop and stare and they think 153 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: it's like it was crazy back it was amazing and crazy. 154 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: So thank god I've never been as big as either 155 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: one of those guys, he said Charles Barkley the Hall 156 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: of Famer mccloven give Charles the poll question today. Okay 157 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: the NBA one, Yeah, okay, which player has the most 158 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: pressure on him in this year's postseason? Luka Donchez, Joel Embiide, 159 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Nicolo Joki, Yannispo or James Harden. Well, it's an easy question. 160 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: It's either it's either it's James Harden. Uh the Nets. 161 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: And the Nets got the most pressure of any team 162 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: in the NBA. They have to win the championship, but 163 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: their season is not a success. And I said, you 164 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: got to put in Paul George as well. Uh, that's 165 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: a fair that's a fair thing. But Yannis Jannis has 166 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: to Yannis and and I'm telling you something, Jannie, Uh 167 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: Jannis and James Harden and Paul George. Those three guys 168 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: got the most pressure. I think that two of those 169 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: guys got to get to the finals. I mean, listen. Uh, 170 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Paul George is an interesting case because I don't think 171 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: people look at him like they look at Janis or 172 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: or that team they put together in Brooklyn. Paul does 173 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: have some pressure. But like, man, the West is as 174 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: crazy as I've ever seen it. I have zero ideas 175 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: who's going to win the West. But in the East, 176 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: it's easily Brooklyn and Milwaukee who got to play in 177 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs. But yeah, it's it's 178 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: Brooklyn and Milwaukee. Both of those teams got to at 179 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: least get to the finals or it's been a disappointing season. 180 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: You were on ESPN yesterday with Mike Greenberg and it 181 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: sounded like if Lebron wins another title, you might elevate 182 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: Lebron above Michael Jordan. You're open to then, I'm open 183 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: to the discussion. Okay, you know First of all, I 184 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: think they got a lucky break having to play the 185 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: Phoenix Signs. But if they can win three series, if 186 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: he beats the Phoenix, they beat Denver, and then they 187 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: beat the Clippers, the caveat to be honestly, Dan is 188 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: gonna be if they can beat the Big three in Brooklyn. Now, 189 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm telling you, I'm picking Milwaukee to win the East. 190 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: I love what they've done with Drew Holliday and PJ. Tucker. 191 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: But if Lebron can get win three series on the 192 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: roads and beat the Big three in Brooklyn. Now, if 193 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: he beats Philadelphia and Milwaukee, but if he beats those 194 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: three guys in Brooklyn, I would be open to the 195 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: discussion that he is I would elevate him past Kobe, 196 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and then I would listen to the argument that he's 197 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: in the conversation with Michael Jordan. I think that's only 198 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: fair because just to me, it's gonna you know, he's 199 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: been out basically all season. After the days, it has 200 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: been out basically all season. If they can win three 201 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: series on the road and beat the Brooklyn Nets, I'm 202 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: open to the conversation that he's on Michael George's level. 203 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: But you don't even have him on Kobe's level. I don't. 204 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: I got Kobe a little bit ahead of Lebron, just 205 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, I do. But you know, it's so 206 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: funny when you have these arguments. Hey, listen, I'm not 207 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: putting in my head like when people be arg you crazy, 208 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, You're crazy. You got Kobe Brown ahead of Lebron, 209 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: I said, I don't have pop Up Jones ahead of Lebron. 210 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: I said, Kobe Bron is one of the best to 211 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: ever do it. And I love Popeye, but I'm telling you, 212 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: like you know, he's in that conversation. But man, I 213 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: don't think the Lakers are gonna win the championship, but 214 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: they're able to win a championshipship this year. I think 215 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: you got to at least be open to the conversation. 216 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: We had Robert Orion yesterday and after he got a 217 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: shout out from Rudy tom Janovic at the Hall of 218 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: Fame that he should be in the Hall of Fame, 219 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: I asked Robert, if he is a Hall of Famer, 220 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: what do you think you know? Dan, I don't answer 221 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: those questions because I don't want to poo poo on anybody. 222 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: Robert is somebody I respect. He had a hell of 223 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: a career, but you know I don't. I'm just glad 224 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: number one. See Webb finally got in. He should have 225 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: been in five years ago. But I think it's such 226 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: a tough call the vote. I don't have a vote, 227 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: but man, that's a very interesting debate about Robert Ry. 228 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: He's had a hell of a career. I know you 229 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: want a lot of championships, But like I said, I'm 230 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: glad I don't have to make that vote. Would you 231 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: rather have Robert Ory's career? Karl malons Karl Malone's Karl 232 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: Malone's easy Hall of Fame and he's on the Dream Team. Listen, Hey, 233 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: everybody wants to win. I wanted to win a championship. 234 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting how guys who get paid 235 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: to talk about sports always wanted bad mouth guys like myself, 236 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick You. You know, it's a 237 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how it became a singular thing. You know, 238 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, nobody wins, Like, wait, why y'all 239 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: picking on and I mean picking it's not the right way. 240 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: Why y'all picking on us? Like we just didn't have 241 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: teams that were good enough to win. So I don't 242 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: understand how it switched from like it's a team game 243 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: and then when you don't win, like what was your 244 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: faults as my fault? We were? You meant that we were? 245 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: We were on TV. You know, hey, we didn't listen. 246 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm not, I don't and I don't. I don't want 247 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: to throw shade and anybody what I'm saying. Hey, we 248 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: only showed the Utah Jazz because the John Stocking and 249 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: called them alone. Let's get that out the way. We 250 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: didn't show the Jazz because the thorough Bailey and viron Russell. 251 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I love says the Ballos. The reason 252 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: we were on TV a week was the cause of me. 253 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't it called the says the Bolos and the 254 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: Gail Night. You know, if you could change anything about 255 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: that series again in the Balls in the finals, what 256 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: would you change strategy was? But we had you know, 257 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: we had a six point league and we ran three 258 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: plays for me and I had to pass the ball 259 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: three straight times. I lay around sometime and think like, man, 260 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: I should have went through that double team. It's not 261 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: a good basketball play. It's not a smart basketball play. 262 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: But they made me pass the ball three times in 263 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: a row and we didn't score, and they scored seven 264 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: straight points to beat us about one. Sometimes when I'm 265 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: in my private moments, I'm like, I, actually, it's so 266 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: funny you asked me that question. I was like, okay, 267 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: because Harres Grant and Scotti Pippen are the two best 268 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: defenders when they w there's no space because they're both 269 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: lean and athletic. It's hard to find an actually a pass, 270 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: an angle out of that double team. But sometimes when 271 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm in a room by myself, I think, well, maybe 272 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: if I had to did at this. But it's like 273 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: I say, it's not a smart basketball player to try 274 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: to go against a double team, especially those two guys. 275 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: But that's the only thing I think about the time. 276 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Then great question, and then don't leave John and John 277 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Paxson open. Well, okay, So you know it's interesting on 278 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: the play because I had been studied because I knew 279 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: we were gonna play the Bulls in the finals. A 280 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: year I got three to the Phoenis. I told Cotton 281 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: Fitzsimmons that says, hey, we're gonna play the Bulls in 282 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: the finals, and I've been studying tape on them all year. 283 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: So the play because people the Charles went for that steal. 284 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: I went for the steel because I know nobody else 285 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: on the Team's only two guys on the team had 286 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: the courage to shoot the ball. That was Mja and Paxson. 287 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: Because you go back and look at the play, Scotty 288 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: asked to have a lay up, and the Harst Brett 289 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: had a layup, but they didn't want to shoot the ball. 290 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: So the play was gonna be In my mind, I 291 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: saw him running. They were gonna throw it to Scotty 292 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: and they were gonna have Michael coming at us full speed. 293 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: So I jumped the play. I jumped the play because 294 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: I said, Scott is not gonna shoot it. Nobody's gonna 295 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: shoot it. So I feel like I had time to 296 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: get back into play. But Scott gave it to heart. 297 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: He didn't he passed it. He could have took it 298 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: to the basket. We would have tied. It would have 299 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: tied it up. Horace had a layup, it would have 300 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: tied it up. And I said, okay, But I went 301 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: to jump Michael because Michael was gonna get it was 302 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: gonna be a handoff. So I jumped to play and listen, Uh, 303 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: Danny shouldn't have left Paxson because he dared have scored 304 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: the two. It would have still been a tie game. 305 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: But hey, it is what it is, brother. But I 306 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: had Scott at that play for six months. That's you know, 307 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: just the detail, it's just pretty amazing. Well, you know, 308 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: I used to always look at the tape. So when 309 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: I got traded, I said, We're gonna play the Bulls 310 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: in the finals, and I said, I cannot. I got 311 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: to We're gonna play them, and I was very confident 312 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: against them, very confident because I know they couldn't match 313 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: up with me. We couldn't match up with Michael and 314 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: I actually I think the guy who played great that 315 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: series will never get me to with Scott Williams. He's 316 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: the guy who really, in my opinion, had a huge 317 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: effect in that series. But it still came down to 318 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: Michael against me, and I didn't The only game I 319 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: didn't play I played, I didn't play good in one, 320 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: but the rest of the series I played good, but 321 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: it was I just couldn't make enough place for us 322 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: to win. Go back to bed. Thanks for joining us. 323 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: I did Dan. I told you I once you're up, 324 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: you can't go back to bed. You told me you 325 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: were going back to sleep, and then you were gonna 326 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: wake up and play golf. I'm on practice then, I'm 327 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: only working on my game with Dan. Why don't you 328 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: come to Tahoe anymore? Man? Well, listen, how about this 329 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: what I want to lose? Now? I would crush you before. 330 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Now it might be competitive, yeah, but why wouldn't you 331 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: do your show from Tahoe that week? You got every 332 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: job in the world you can. Anybody on you show 333 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: you want leave too. The only place in the country 334 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: was not gonna be hot. You should do your show 335 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: the whole week from Tahoe and then let me kick 336 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: your ass on the golf course. All right, It's only May, 337 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: so I got time. Well man, Hey, you know I 338 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of love for you. Man, I'm so 339 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: happy for all your success. Thanks for having me on, brother, 340 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, Charles. That's guys, the Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. 341 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 342 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to 343 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 344 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: Find your local station for the Dan Patrick Show at 345 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot Com or stream us live every 346 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, 347 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock Act. John Smaltz, 348 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Major League Baseball Network Analyst, Before I 349 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: talk baseball with you, John, here's the question. I'll give 350 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: you two PGA championships one Masters, Wow, Masters, three PGA 351 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: championships one Masters, three PGA championships. Yeah. A World Series 352 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: ring or the Masters? Well, I got a World Series ring, 353 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say Masters. What could be another? Like? 354 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: You didn't really do much in the World Series to 355 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: win where, right, you were just on the team. You 356 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: were on a great team. Yeah. Yeah, So let's say 357 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: I get the winning I get at Pitch Game seven, 358 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: win another ring? Yeah, yes, taking it? Yeah? Yeah? World 359 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Series MVP or the Masters World Series MVP. That's just 360 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: another ring. All right. That's all I wanted to talk 361 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: to you about. John, Thanks for joining us. That was 362 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: so easy. Clayton Kershaw came out and said, all these 363 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: no hitters not good for baseball? What does he mean 364 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: by that? Do you think? I'm not quite sure? I 365 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: think I would follow him in the sense that you know, 366 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: when you see the statistics on everyone keeps talking about 367 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: the statistics, right, batting average, strikeouts, all those things, you 368 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 1: start you start understanding that, you know, hitting has been 369 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: hard with the velocity that we have in our game today. 370 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: So maybe that's part of what he meant. I, on 371 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: the other hand, predicted that the no hitter record on 372 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: MLB Network first week of the season. I've predicted there 373 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: would be a record amount no hitters. So hey, I'm 374 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: all about being right. So two more, two more, Paul, 375 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: can you check the tape see if small sit. We 376 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: looked for it all morning. We couldn't find it. Yeah, 377 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh it's on there. Oh it's on there. It was 378 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: a bold predict. It was one of these segments that 379 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: make a bold prediction, and I made a bold prediction 380 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: that there would be more than eight no hitters this year. Okay, 381 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: but what's the cause for this all these no hitters 382 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: other than everybody's throwing a hundred and everybody else who's 383 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: at the plays trying to hit a home run? Yeah, well, 384 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: the latter part is what you really have to focus on, 385 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: because I think most of the no hitters, you know, 386 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: are not guys that have thrown a hundred, and they're 387 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: guys that have hit their spots and kind of open 388 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: up the opportunity. If you hit your spots, you're going 389 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: to get your strikeouts and outs. And the style of 390 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: hitting today because the velocity is the way it is. 391 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: It's really a philosophy of style of hitting. And when 392 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: you're trying to hit a home run, which is the 393 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: fastest way to get a point on the board, then 394 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: you don't have any deviation from that. I think that's 395 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: why you're seeing some of the numbers historically change. And 396 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: I think we've all said that eventually it'll come around. 397 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: It's just taken a long time for the pendulum pendulum 398 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: to swing back. You're going to have the lowest aggregate 399 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: batting average in history this year. Baseball talked about the 400 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: initiative this year of maybe reducing you know, the I 401 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: guess how far baseball can be hit. They were trying 402 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: to bring it back one or two feet. They were 403 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: trying to get the ball and play a little bit 404 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: more stolen bases, those kind of things. It hasn't worked. 405 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: How does baseball, if that's what their goal is, get 406 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: more involvement, more movement in the game, I think part 407 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: of it. You know, after we get through this year 408 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: and then you know next year gets worked out one 409 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: way or between the agreement. I think you're going to 410 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: see some changes that take place in the game. They're 411 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: starting some things in the minor league and whatever. People 412 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: talk about changes. Immediately everyone says, as well, there's something 413 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: vehemently wrong with the game. Well, to your point, you're 414 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: stating the fact. And when you state the facts that 415 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly are historically not in your favor, then you look 416 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: to make some changes to try to enhance or change 417 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: the way people think. See, the only way you can 418 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: change the way people think is to come up with 419 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: some rule changes. Every other sport has done it. For 420 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: some reason, Baseball people get all bent out of shape 421 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: when we talk about changes. I'll give you a subtle 422 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: change that not a lot of people talk about. I've 423 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: heard some people talk about, but I think would help 424 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: the game in both ways. If you lower the strike zone, 425 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: you give the hitters a better chance. At the velocity 426 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: that we're seeing today to hit a ball that is 427 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: at the top of the strike zone, you can't hit 428 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: it today, and all pitchers are adjusting and hitters are 429 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: still still trying to do what we talked about the 430 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: top of the zone is at the velocity we have 431 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: is this is too difficult. So a subtle change without 432 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: making everybody have to change the way they play the game. 433 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big, big component of lowering the strike zone 434 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: and giving everybody a better chance to hit that kind 435 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: of velocity that's in the game today. He's John Smold 436 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: SHIMLB Network analysts pondres tonight against the Mariners at ten Eastern. 437 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: Then John will call the Cubs Cardinals tomorrow on Fox. 438 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: Let's recap what happened with the White Sox with Tony LaRussa. 439 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Your mean Mercedes, a rookie who Tony says, I yelled 440 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: take take take on a three zo pitch in a 441 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: blowout game. He swung three zero hit a home run. 442 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: Let's go step by step. So three ozo pitch positional 443 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: player in a blowout game? What is the policy? Yeah, See, 444 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: that's a great question because we haven't seen as many 445 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 1: position players pitch in the history of the game as 446 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: we're seeing right now. So if there's a regular around 447 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: the mound, I think every player understands the score, time 448 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: and place. But that is just something it's not that 449 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: you can't do it, it's just frowned upon, you know, 450 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: if you're taking advantage of the team. It's like scoring 451 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: from you know, from first when you're up fifteen to four, 452 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: when you can go station to station. And I think 453 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: there's certain things in the game everyone understands. When a 454 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: position players on the mound, I think it kind of 455 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: alters how I can see the other side of right 456 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: three oh, kind of frowned upon position player. Well, that 457 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: team's basically given up, and so it's kind of difficult 458 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: when you see the position player out there to think 459 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: that all the rules apply. So this is one of 460 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: those scenarios where I could actually see both sides of it. 461 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 1: I understand Tonio the Russa being a manager as long 462 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: as he has he doesn't want to show anybody up 463 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: in that fashion, and that's probably where he's coming from there. Yeah, 464 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: but okay, so then can I swing at three one? 465 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: Can I swing at three two? Yeah? No, I get 466 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: where you're going. I think, don't put yourself in that situation. 467 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: If you're the other team, I totally get it. And 468 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: if you're basically waving the right white flag by throwing 469 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: a position player, that I don't think you can get 470 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: mad that guys were swinging at pitches when the pitches 471 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: that are coming in aren't really pitches anyways, just somebody 472 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: lotting it in there. So I totally get that part 473 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: of it. You know, we used to have that rule 474 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: where you had to have designated They did away with 475 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: that this year, and I think it's coming back by 476 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: the way, where you had to designate only a particular 477 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: person that could pitch, you had to have so many innings, 478 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: because that, to me, is a whole other subject. When 479 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: you start throwing position players in a game, you start 480 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: advocating for the ten run rule that people I know 481 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: have been floating out there. Why not just get a 482 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: ten run rule after seven innings, We don't have to 483 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: have a position player out there pitching. Do you think 484 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: that Baseball would push for a mercy rule after seven innings? 485 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: I think if the trends keep going the way they are, 486 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: I think it has more momentum than it doesn't because 487 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: the reality of the game that we're playing, and we're 488 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be in the pitching rich era. You know, 489 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: there's injuries. There's a lot of pitchers up in the 490 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: big leagues. Probably faster than they should, and so therefore 491 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: clubs aren't they're not going to push their pitchers and 492 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: they're going to throw a position player. I think it'd 493 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: be better if we just the game. I mean, the 494 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: game's changed to a seven inning doublehead or nobody frowns 495 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: over that anymore. What no one would frown over a 496 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: ten run rule after seven innings, and each clubs go 497 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: about their way, and then the headlines don't read about 498 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: a position player pitching instead of the team getting beat 499 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: well handily, and Tony Laruss says, hey, you know what, 500 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: you've got to respect the game. I don't think the 501 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: oppositions respecting the game by bringing in a positional player 502 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: to throw a forty seven. If I can throw a 503 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: fastball faster than the position player right now, that to 504 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: me is disrespecting the game. I agree with you, and 505 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: that I played for a manager who's old school. Bobby 506 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: Cox never let a position player ever pitched the entire 507 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: time I was there. I don't know if there's another 508 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: manager that can say that, but he never let That 509 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: was his biggest thing about I'm not going to disrespect 510 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: the game and make it look foolish. Now there are 511 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: a lot of position players that begged to pitch, but 512 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: he just didn't. He just didn't believe in it. So 513 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: I agree with you that that statement, because I think 514 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: there is unless you've run out, you've pitched eighty played 515 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen innings, which we won't do anymore because 516 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: of the rule, then I think, you know, you're just 517 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: you're throwing everything up, and you're just throwing everything up 518 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: in the year. So I agree with your statement. Yeah, 519 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: and I don't, and I don't like I think everybody 520 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: was wrong in this situation with you know, Mercedes and LaRussa. Okay, 521 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: he didn't hear the take sign or didn't listen to 522 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: your take sign. Denny Homers. Tony then calls him out 523 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: in the press conference. Instead of supporting his player to 524 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: say we'll handle it. Inside, he's basically saying, hey, Minnesota Twins, 525 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: go ahead, throw at him. Those are the consequences that 526 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: he brought on himself here. Yeah, you're you know, this 527 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of mixed messages, but I think the 528 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: general theme that I was reading into it was we 529 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: can't have that happen again, right, what right? Wrong? Or 530 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: indifferent and hopefully that that message was clear to the team. 531 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: The White Sox are a great team. Yeah, and the 532 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins are having a really tough year. They were 533 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: they were predicted to be right there with the Chicago 534 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: White Sox. You can understand the frustration when they're getting 535 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: it handed to him. But again, when you when you 536 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: throw a position player in there, it does throw a 537 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: wrench in the whole deal. And again, some people think 538 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to watch a position player pitch. 539 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: I personally don't think it's fun as much as the 540 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: amount of position players that are pitching today is pretty alarming. 541 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: How surprised were you that Poohles goes to the Dodgers 542 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: and hit a home run last night? I'm not home 543 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: run because of where Poohols is in his career. I 544 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: have almost respect for him because of his passion to 545 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: play the game, and yet he's not the Pooholes we 546 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: remember Saint Louis and even though the Angels, But I 547 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: think his motor still thinks he can help a team 548 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: win a championship. And what better way for him. He 549 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: went to a team that has the probably the best 550 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: odds to win a championship, and I think he's going 551 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: to prove some people wrong. You know this game is 552 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: not forever, and we all know that everybody, including myself, 553 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: have been released and it's not fun. But you want 554 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: to finish on your own terms. And I think that's 555 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: what he's doing. Did Poolholes get you? He got me 556 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot. It was when he ate at bats. He 557 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: got me three times, three home runs and ate at bats, 558 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: and don't I don't mind telling you it was the 559 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: scariest right hand to hit or ever face. I thought 560 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield was number one in my book, but Albert Poolholes, 561 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: the way he squatted to sit, he looked like he 562 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: was sitting in a rocket chair. Knew what was coming. 563 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget the game. I came out of 564 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: the bullpen in relief, and I was so mad because 565 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: of the circumstances that led me getting in. I threw 566 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: a pitch first time in my career as hard as 567 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: I could. It almost went to big, big mac Land, 568 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: and I tried to I tried to destroy the There 569 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: were the curtain that separated the training room and the 570 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: clubhouse in the old stadium, and they looked like you 571 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: could rip them off the hinge, so I attacked it 572 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: with both of my hands. To rip it off. It 573 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: was steel reinforced, and I thought I broke both my 574 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: thumbs and I hid in the back of the plane. 575 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: I see both of my thumbs, not letting anybody ski 576 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: when it happened. So yeah, he got me. Okay, peak 577 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: peak pooholes, peak bonds. Wow, Yeah, that to me. I 578 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: always I'm gonna say poolholes because I've shus the right 579 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: handed picture. I should always be able to have the 580 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: edge against the right handed hitter. Left handers definitely had 581 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: an edge against me. So I'm still gonna say pools 582 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: only because I felt like I should have done better Bonds. 583 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: I faced for a hundred times Pools. I don't want 584 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: to even think about what that three, what that would 585 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: have translated. I gave up nine home runs the bonds. 586 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure I would have given up more to Pools. 587 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, John, Thanks for joining us 588 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: as always, Buddy, my pleasure. Thanks that's John Smoltz. We 589 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: share a birthday again May fifteen. He's got Cubs Cardinals 590 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: tomorrow on Fox. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 591 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 592 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on 593 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and you can find us on the 594 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the 595 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: Peacock app. The popular host of the NFL Network, He's 596 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: nominated for a Sports Emmy, Big Shot Rich Eisen of 597 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: course the Rich Eisen Show that follows this show on Peacock. 598 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: How did you celebrate when you when you learn that 599 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: you were going to be up for the Studio host 600 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Sports Emmy? Yeah? What was your reaction? Well? I did, uh, 601 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, I went through the usual PTSD to see 602 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: if costUS gott nominated to see It's not fair Rich, 603 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: because Costas isn't in the He's not in the category anymore, right, 604 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: I know, so Ernie's still there. So um, I don't know. 605 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to know if this meant I got 606 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: on a plane to New York or not, just to 607 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: sit in the back of the room. You know. It's 608 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: It's funny those sports Emmy's UH used to be when 609 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: you when you won? What's your did you you won? 610 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: You want studio host? What was that? I forget what 611 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: year it was, but I remember it was a party. 612 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: It was a bash. It was at the old Spot 613 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: in Times Square where they were open bars in every 614 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: single corner of the room, and it was a great 615 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: social gathering for everybody to get together and see one another. Yeah, 616 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: I forget what year it was, nineteen ninety seven. I 617 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: think I was there. I was there. I was there, 618 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: and it was a blast. Your speech was great and 619 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: we were all hammered, I mean to be honest with you, 620 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: because it was a party. You know, it was an 621 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: absolute party for everyone to get together. And well, anyway, 622 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: it's it's an honor to be nominate. There you go 623 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: to get around of that one. Huh, Okay, who do 624 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: you think first? Yeah, when you win, Oh, my wife, 625 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: my wife, I'll thank my wife first, and then my 626 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: Lord and Savior Steve Boornstein. It was smart enough to 627 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: have hired me twice, got me started on my career 628 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: with NFL Network, getting ESPN, and then of course everybody 629 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: was who helps make it possible. But I don't think 630 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: I'll get to say those things. Danu that said it was, 631 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: it's just, you know, everything that's gone on in the 632 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: last year for everybody. Um, it's been a remarkable year 633 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of people in our industry. UM, certainly 634 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: last year when there was a pandemic and what do 635 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: we do and what is our role and what is 636 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: our place in the world, and and you know, your 637 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: show being nominated and um, this show being on the 638 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: air period, you know is wait, are you working on 639 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: your speech right now? No, I'm just actually going I'm 640 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: just talking what's from? No, you know? All right, so 641 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: let me I'd like to thank Dan Patrick because my 642 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: wife then my wife Susie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's 643 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: the way to work. I think that would be great 644 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: if if you did that, if you win, can you 645 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: promise that you'll thank me before you thank your wife. Um, 646 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: I won't do that. But here's maybe what maybe I 647 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: should do this because I thought maybe Tom Brady should 648 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: do this when he's in uh here in Los Angeles. 649 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: It's so far up the road from here next year 650 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: when he's playing the Rams. Maybe what I should do 651 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: is what I think he should do, which is take 652 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: a tape, measure out and measure the space on my 653 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: zoom to say, I just want to make sure for 654 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: the next years that I've got you know that I'm 655 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm all set for doing this, you know, like I'm 656 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: I plan on winning here a lot, you know what 657 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean. Like that's the sort of thing. Okay, what 658 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: do you think should I do that? Yeah? Yeah, go 659 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: get him, Go get them. I've led you to slaughter before, 660 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: so you know, don't trust me. Don't trust me. No. 661 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: That was one of the first things as a professional broadcaster. 662 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: I learned Dan not to trust you. Yes, you know, 663 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: but you were you were so earnest and I led 664 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: you to slaughter and I felt bad. I felt bad 665 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: after the fact that I embarrassed you in front of 666 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: Susie Colbert. We're really going there? What should I tell 667 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: the story, Dan, now that you just walked me into it? 668 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: Or is that what you're saying? I mean? Was it 669 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: at a party and I was talking to her. I 670 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: had just arrived, did ESPN? And I said to her 671 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: where are you from? And you was it a backyard? Who? 672 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: What was it? Her house? And we're going Lorie Zealbowitch's house? Wow, 673 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: good memory. I think that was the one person Kenny 674 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: diden May mentioned in his La Times article. So you know, 675 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: we're in the backyard. We're in the backyard, and um, 676 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: I say to Susie Calber, Hey, you know where are 677 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: you from? And you're twenty yards away and you're oh, 678 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm from Ohio and like the needle ripped off the 679 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: record and uh, You're like, oh uh you weren't talking 680 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: to me. Huh oh no, go back to what you're doing. 681 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: And it was just that was the end of the conversation. UM. 682 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: And then so yeah, we go way back then, Yeah, 683 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: yeah we Uh so Kenny Mayne kind of gets this 684 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: farewell show. Did you get a farewell show at the Mothership? Um? 685 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: In a cardboard box with all my Well, that's right 686 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: you they asked, did they escort you out of the building? 687 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: You know? It was actually I got a facts three 688 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: days before the end of my contract saying it was over, um. 689 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: And then I showed up the next day to see 690 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: what was going on and it was like, yeah, that's 691 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: that's it. No one escorted me to the door. But 692 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: I did not have a farewell UM you know show. Yeah, 693 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Ken gets he gets his own show. The person who 694 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: was in charge at the time when I got the gate, 695 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: Dan or when we decided to part ways, Um, isn't 696 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: there anymore. I've got a great relationship with everybody at 697 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: the Worldwide Leader as I think you know you do, UM. 698 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: But I told you this, Dan, like seeing you with 699 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: Ko on the set of Sports Center. Um a couple 700 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: of years ago. Was that I think it was, And 701 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was great to see the two of 702 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: you because it was you know, classic, all time great 703 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: television when the two of you did Sports Center together, 704 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,959 Speaker 1: and it was what made the place, how the great 705 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: spot that it wasn't part with some other great combinations 706 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: that I was fortunate enough to arrive in nineteen ninety 707 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: six and then get hooked up with Stewart. It was 708 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: really tough for me to watch though. I had to 709 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: turn it off because I'll be honest, like, I don't. 710 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: I know, I didn't. I'm not going to get a 711 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: chance to have that type of show with Stewart anymore. 712 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: And it really hit me hard because I do love 713 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: the times that I was there, and so yeah, you know, 714 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: it didn't end well in two thousand and three, but 715 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: everything has gone on very well since then, and my 716 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 1: relationship with the Worldwide Leader with everybody there is great. 717 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: So a couple of topics here, don't get too deep 718 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: and sentimental. I think I'm sorry, I'm sorry, thanks, Okay, 719 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: better than that Rich Eison, NFL Network hoast, I just 720 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: spittake Dan. Yeah, my bad, okay, Rich eisen Shell and 721 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: Peacock that follows this? What's bigger the story about Aaron 722 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: Rodgers or the Aaron Rodgers story like those covering Aaron Rodgers, 723 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 1: or the actual story itself. Oh god, the actual story itself. 724 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, this is this is huge Dan. But 725 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: if he stays though, right then, then it's not a 726 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: big story. No, It's absolutely is, because it depends on 727 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: the manner in which he stays. Does he get that 728 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,959 Speaker 1: long term contract numbers on the table that means Jordan 729 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: Love isn't there anymore? And what does happen to Jordan Love? 730 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: And what does happen with the Packers? Because boy, the 731 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: pressure would absolutely be on two do what Brady did, 732 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: which is go to multiple Super Bowls after dispatching with 733 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: the Jimmy Garoppolo conundrum. So there would be tons of 734 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: pressure on all of that. And you know the best 735 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: part about it is the NFL schedule makers pushed all 736 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: in with their chips. They didn't do a darn thing 737 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: to the first four weeks that they weren't planning on 738 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: doing without, you know, with Aaron Rodgers expecting him to 739 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: be there. There's four nationally televised games right up front, 740 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: so we'll have a front row seat to the whole thing. 741 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: And then I really think, as you were on the 742 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: show the other day, you know, June one is the 743 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: day where we think this is all going to go down. 744 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: You know this is going to actually either happen or not, 745 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: because that's when the salary cap ramifications of being traded 746 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: would be lessened. So I love the fact that what 747 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: is going on, we still don't know what is going on. 748 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: Is it Brian Guduquin saying I'm really really sorry. Is 749 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: it actually giving him the terms and dollars on the table? 750 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: What does fix this? I'm fascinated by it. And you 751 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers going on Kenny Maine Show on Monday, 752 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: at least reportedly. Yeah, okay, but I mean that's a 753 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: big send off for Kenneth of Maine. Now those guys 754 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: have a good relationship ship. Now does Kenny ask questions 755 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: leaving the building? How does he not? I mean I 756 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean Aaron's sting. Aaron's sitting down. If 757 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: he does do that, he's sitting down fully knowing that 758 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: he's doing his friend a solid by giving him the 759 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: scoop of the summer out the door, which is what 760 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: a good friend does for another good friend as well. 761 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: And you know, he might have an answer already ready 762 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: or a pat answer that would put Kenny in the 763 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: position of having to follow up on a friend who's 764 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: doing him a big favor, a huge solid to send 765 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: him out the door like that, you know. But I 766 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: will be tuned in, that's for sure, because I really 767 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: want to know whether he's going to downplay it or 768 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: take the lid off the pot. Here one of the 769 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: two leaving the building, Kenny is The question is is 770 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers leaving the building? I really don't think so. 771 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: The best place for him to stay. The best place 772 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: for him to win right now is where he's staying, 773 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean the Broncos I don't think afford 774 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: him the ability to win in twenty twenty one like 775 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: the Packers would. And you could even make the case 776 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two as well, because they did sign Aaron 777 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: Jones through the next two years contractually where they can 778 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: actually afford it. They did put Aaron Jones on the 779 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: credit card a little bit here, and they've done that 780 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: with a couple of their signings not their center, which 781 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: might have really pissed Aaron Rodgers off as well. But 782 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: I really think that, you know, it makes sense for 783 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: all parties to figure this thing out and let him 784 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: actually surpass Farv and Star in times in years served 785 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: in Green Bay and see if he can actually match 786 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: Farv and Star and Super Bowl appearances. The urban Meyer 787 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: portion of the Tim Tebow story is what's fascinating, not 788 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: necessarily Tebow, it's Urban Meyer and how this plays. Can 789 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: he possibly cut Tim Tebow like you don't bring him in? 790 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: It's weird. I was always told don't hire somebody that 791 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: you can't fire. Can Urban Meyer hired Tim Tebow and 792 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: fired Tim Tebow? Oh? I think so for sure. I mean, 793 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: the whole point is that you know he can fire Tim. 794 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: He can basically say we gave you a shot, it 795 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: didn't work out, and look at the rest of the 796 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: locker room and say, I told you the best fifty 797 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: three are going to be here, you know. I mean 798 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: like that that actually would would benefit urban in the 799 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: same way that it would benefit him to actually give 800 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow a shot and show everyone that he is 801 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,959 Speaker 1: all about having a culture change in there and letting 802 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: somebody be the standard bearer for that in the in 803 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: the locker room. Um, I'm the world keeps spinning, you know. 804 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: And and Tim Tebow, I can't wait to see if 805 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: he can make the roster. The first preseason games for 806 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: Jacksonville will be something I want to watch for Urban 807 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: on the sideline and Trevor and under center and shotgun 808 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: and Tim doing what he's doing. But in the meantime, 809 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Shortly before he came out, Adam 810 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: After tweeted out the top five selling items on NFL 811 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: shop dot com or all Tim Tebo eighty fives and 812 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: that is one yesterday. You know what It's just you know, 813 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: well you want to get it before he wears fifteen. Yeah, 814 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, like it's is a collector's item. Yeah, more 815 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: ways than you know. So I think it's it's something 816 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,839 Speaker 1: that it's a win for everybody right now. The only 817 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: person who it's it's hurting is the one person who 818 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: could have tried out for the third tight end spot 819 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: other than Tebo right now. That's the only one. And 820 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: we don't know who that person obviously would be. So 821 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: uh hey, congratulations again nominating sports Timmy, And uh I 822 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: didn't mean to get too deep. So in that regard, 823 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: um out the door. Uh, you know, my guy, Mike 824 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: del Tufo is not here. The so called punk according 825 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: to was that you or Seaton called him a punk 826 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: and wanting to throw down with with with us? I 827 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,959 Speaker 1: mean is that, Um, is there something that we could 828 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: do we need to address something like like Aaron Rodgers 829 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: and the packers or what? What do you think? Who 830 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: are you backing? Well? I gotta back Mike Well. Am 831 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: I doing a LaRussa? Or am I doing an emright here? 832 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: I'll do the LaRussa. Answer is like, look, I know, 833 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: I know Mike sometimes doesn't listen. You know, I tell 834 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: him to do one thing and he does another thing, 835 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: And I don't want him to show up the Dan 836 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: Patrick show, So you please take a swing at him. 837 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: You know. That's one way to do it, okay. Or 838 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: the other way is basically like, you know what, we 839 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 1: have a system here and we're gonna keep it in 840 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: the house. And you know, if you throw behind my guy, 841 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to take up 842 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: for him. And that's that's my default. I don't have 843 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: the larus in me, okay. You know, Uh, look, I'm 844 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: gonna back my guy Seaton. So okay, if maybe we 845 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: cross pass at the super Bowl, okay, right here in 846 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Yeah, I don't know if Seaton wants any 847 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 1: of that smoke. Okay, you know, I just don't know 848 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: if he wants any of that smoking. Well, do we 849 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: do like a do we do like a Jake paul 850 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: Um situation here where you have flood where I'd like 851 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 1: steal the hat and it looks like something that we've done. 852 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: It is that we need to work on our on 853 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: our hype basically, right, all right, this could be on 854 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: the undercard. It could be see you're finding you on 855 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: a piece of riches, riches one of his producers. I 856 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: will take all of said smoke, smoke referred to I 857 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: would accept that. All right, super Bowl, super Bowl Meat Friday. Yeah, 858 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: that's what we will do. Let's set it. Let's set 859 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: it up for super Bowl meat Friday, for all the smoke, 860 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: for all their guy is the meat. It could be 861 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: there's not many producers I can say I've seen that 862 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: guy with his pants off, okay, and I've seen your 863 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,399 Speaker 1: producer with his pants off. See, I knew we would 864 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: drill down to the the the actual real nuts and 865 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: bolts of WHOA. Okay, okay, yes, all right, I gotta 866 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: meet Friday. I gotta go. Thanks, thank you. That's Rich 867 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: Eisen NFL Network host Rich Eisenshow on Peacock right after 868 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 1: this one. Be sure to catch the live edition of 869 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six 870 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app