WEBVTT - 4. Dancing on a Razor’s Edge

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>The summer of eighty three, across America, teenagers crammed into

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<v Speaker 2>theaters to see a new heart throb named Tom Cruise

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<v Speaker 2>make some larger than life bad decisions in risky business.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you gotta say, what the fuck make you move?

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<v Speaker 2>It was such a smash hit, in fact, that all

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<v Speaker 2>over the country, and I'm speaking from personal experience here,

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<v Speaker 2>emergency rooms were flooded with teenagers with broken bones from

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<v Speaker 2>trying to replicate the infamous hardwood floor sock slide.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a simpler time, wasn't it. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>summer that gave us flashdance, those tasty mouth incinerating hot pockets,

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<v Speaker 2>and somewhere down under, a baby Chris Hemsworth entered the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what they say, good things never last.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon a humid house in summer would turn to fall

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<v Speaker 2>and things would get a little bit colder.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd heard that of a seven forty seven missing, and

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<v Speaker 5>seven forty sevens just aren't missing.

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<v Speaker 6>One story dominates the free world news media tonights, the

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<v Speaker 6>killing of two hundred and sixty nine innocent people. I

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<v Speaker 6>bought a Korean jumbo jip that drifted into Soviet territory.

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<v Speaker 7>The United States reacts with revulsion to this attack. Loss

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<v Speaker 7>of life appears to be heavy. We can see no

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<v Speaker 7>excuse whatsoever for this appalling act.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States is demanding that the Soviet Union explained

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<v Speaker 1>why it's shot down a Korean airline's plane that had

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<v Speaker 1>strayed into Soviet airspace.

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<v Speaker 2>I met Helms and This is Snafu, a podcast about

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<v Speaker 2>history's greatest screw ups. On season one, we're telling you

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<v Speaker 2>the story of a snaffoo that is gigantic, terrifying, and observed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Able Archer eighty three, the nineteen eighty three

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<v Speaker 2>NATO military exercise that may have almost triggered a real

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear war. By this point in the season, we've learned

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<v Speaker 2>that the Spring of nineteen eighty three firmly ended anything

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<v Speaker 2>resembling a good relationship between the United States and the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union. In geopolitical technical terms, we'd been downgraded from

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<v Speaker 2>frenemies to enemies. Ronald Reagan was casually slinging around evil

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<v Speaker 2>Empire insults. NATO announced that it would be deploying medium

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<v Speaker 2>range Persion two missiles in Europe, and Reagan got his

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<v Speaker 2>pet project going SDI aka star Wars. The Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 2>whipped themselves into a nuclear frenzy, sending their spies all

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<v Speaker 2>around town to confirm what they already believed to be true,

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<v Speaker 2>that America was preparing a nuclear attack on the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 2>But somehow things were about to get even harrier in

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, nineteen eighty three spirals out of control. In

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<v Speaker 2>the months leading up to Able Archer, the Soviets and

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<v Speaker 2>Americans weren't joyfully sliding around in socks so much as

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<v Speaker 2>they were dancing on a razor's edge. Now that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I call some real risky business. It's June third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three. The front page of the New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>reads and drop Off meets with Harriman, asks for better ties.

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<v Speaker 2>The Harriman referenced here is Avril Harriman, a ninety one

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<v Speaker 2>year old who used to be the US ambassador to

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union back when Stalin was in power and

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviets were American allies. The article said Harriman was

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<v Speaker 2>travel to Moscow as a private citizen. He wasn't on

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<v Speaker 2>official US business, But it also said that before he

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<v Speaker 2>left for Moscow, he met with the Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 2>George Schultz, and that he took a State Department translator

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<v Speaker 2>with him to the meeting.

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<v Speaker 8>He essentially went as an official, unofficial envoy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Nate Jones, our able archer sleuth. Nate wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to know what was really said in that meeting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not normal for an elderly retired diplomat to be

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<v Speaker 2>summoned out of his lazy boy recliner to speak with

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet head of state. Maybe there was a detailed

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<v Speaker 2>record of Harriman's conversation within drop off. Maybe there was

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<v Speaker 2>some hint about what was to come. So how could

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<v Speaker 2>Nate find such a thing? With a little help from

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<v Speaker 2>a friend called FOYA the Freedom of Information Act. It

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<v Speaker 2>gives us citizens the right to request government documents. Believe

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<v Speaker 2>me when I say that Nate ownes, lives, and breathes

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<v Speaker 2>foyas he's currently the FOYA director at the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 2>Foya Nate is his Twitter handle, for God's sake. So

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<v Speaker 2>the FOYA process looks like this.

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<v Speaker 8>The first most important step is to figure out what

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<v Speaker 8>records exists that you want to request.

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<v Speaker 2>In this case, he figured an important meeting between a

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<v Speaker 2>retired diplomat and the head of the Soviet Union. There's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be a report on that meeting, right or

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<v Speaker 2>like at least some notes. The next step is you

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<v Speaker 2>have to figure out which agency holds the document you want.

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<v Speaker 8>And there are, depending on how you count, some two

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<v Speaker 8>hundred and fifty agencies and components in the federal government.

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<v Speaker 8>So part of the problem is finding the right one

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<v Speaker 8>to file to, and it's tricky. I think once you

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<v Speaker 8>do this long enough, you get kind of an intuition.

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<v Speaker 2>Nate figured if there was any record of this meeting

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<v Speaker 2>between and Drop Bob and Harriman, it would be in

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<v Speaker 2>the State Department. So next file a FOYA.

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<v Speaker 8>A simple form letter that says, under the FOYA, I

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<v Speaker 8>request this document held by your agency, and then you wait.

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<v Speaker 8>The law says that they're supposed to release the records

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<v Speaker 8>within twenty working days.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty working days, okay, we're talking about the government here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, it just it never takes twenty days. I mean, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>it rarely takes twenty months.

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<v Speaker 8>Is not for the faint of heart. You have to

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<v Speaker 8>be in it for a long battle.

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<v Speaker 2>Being a FOYA warrior entails a lot of polite reminders. Hey, Sandra,

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<v Speaker 2>me again. Yeah, I'm still interested in that top secret

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<v Speaker 2>document that you're five years late in releasing any update

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<v Speaker 2>on that. You know, just let me know whenever you

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<v Speaker 2>get a chance. The State Department eventually answered Nates Foya

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<v Speaker 2>they had detailed notes from the Harman meeting, which they

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<v Speaker 2>released a Nate totally unredacted. He was thrilled until he

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<v Speaker 2>read it, and then he was freaked out because the

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<v Speaker 2>contents of the conversation were very alarming.

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<v Speaker 8>Aevrel Harriman said that and drop Off three times warned

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<v Speaker 8>of the risk of nuclear war through miscalculation, and told

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<v Speaker 8>him explicitly and genuinely that he feared that their Reagan

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<v Speaker 8>administration may be moving towards the dangerous red line of

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<v Speaker 8>nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 2>Three times and drop Off warned of potential miscalculation. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the guy had a nuclear crystal ball after all. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>and drop Off asked Harreman to tell Reagan to please

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<v Speaker 2>tone things down, make sure all this tension doesn't keep

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<v Speaker 2>ratcheting up or worse become normalized. He asked for dialogue

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<v Speaker 2>before they found themselves on an irreversible path to the

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<v Speaker 2>worst possible outcome.

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<v Speaker 8>Please go back and make sure that despite our differences,

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<v Speaker 8>we don't have the catastrophe of nuclear war and.

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<v Speaker 2>Drop off said he'd wait for Reagan's call. Harriman may

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<v Speaker 2>as well have stayed home in the US that week hell,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of spending twenty hours on an airplane, he could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone to that new blockbuster of war games, which

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<v Speaker 2>coincidentally came out that weekend, because Reagan never picked up

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<v Speaker 2>that phone.

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<v Speaker 9>Do you think that one of the reasons why this

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<v Speaker 9>whole period was so dangerous was because there were no

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<v Speaker 9>channels of communication between the two sides, that the complete

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<v Speaker 9>different perceptions going on.

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<v Speaker 2>This is from an interview that was conducted for the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary nineteen eighty three, The Brink of Apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 10>In this particular period o Rhon as we were in

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<v Speaker 10>know they see to have broken down and there was

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<v Speaker 10>no understanding anymore. And that I think is what made

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<v Speaker 10>that particular period in the Code War was so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's Ryner Rupp, agent Dopez, you remember him from

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<v Speaker 2>last episode Stazi man infiltrating NATO spying for the East

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<v Speaker 2>alongside his wife. Rupper calls the moment when he could

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<v Speaker 2>sense the Stazi were getting a bit more nervous. It

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<v Speaker 2>became clear to him that the Soviets were preoccupied with Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>They truly believed a surprise nuclear attack was imminent.

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<v Speaker 10>I was asked to keep my eyes open. I also

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<v Speaker 10>had systems to relay back of information very fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was actually very unusual. It's just not easy for

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<v Speaker 2>a spy to get messages across the Iron Curtain quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't call up your handler and say, hey, Boris,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what secret documents I perused in my NATO job today.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be a surefi way to get caught. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, no spies usually handed off messages physically, so

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<v Speaker 2>getting a message to the other side of the Iron

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<v Speaker 2>Curtain took time days at best. But if NATO was

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<v Speaker 2>preparing a nuclear attack, the East wouldn't have days. So

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<v Speaker 2>one day in early nineteen eighty three, Rupp met with

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<v Speaker 2>his handlers. They presented him with a brand new spy

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<v Speaker 2>tool that would significantly speed things up.

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<v Speaker 10>It looked like an electronic calculator.

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<v Speaker 2>A classic espionage gadget, an ordinary item rewired to do

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<v Speaker 2>something extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 10>I would write my message down, I would code it

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<v Speaker 10>into numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Type the numbers into this sneaky spy calculator.

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<v Speaker 10>This little machine would then condense all this into a

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<v Speaker 10>very short sound like a World Beat.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd take this magic calculator to a payphone the normal telephone.

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<v Speaker 2>Payphones were normal in nineteen eighty three. Kids just roll

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And then he'd dial a number for an

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<v Speaker 2>elderly woman in East Germany. He'd say, Grandma, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to come visit you, which was a code phrase that

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<v Speaker 2>would signal this Grandma to start recording the call. Rub

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<v Speaker 2>would hold up the calculator to the.

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<v Speaker 10>Phone, put that thing on the receiver.

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<v Speaker 2>And transmit the coded message. Now, for anyone surveilling the call.

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<v Speaker 10>It would just sound like a crackling in the line.

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<v Speaker 2>They hang up. Grandma then calls the SAZI. They rush over,

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<v Speaker 2>retrieve the recording, and then.

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<v Speaker 10>De sigh for it and see the message.

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<v Speaker 2>The intel is transmitted in minutes instead of days.

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<v Speaker 10>So that was in case of emergencies.

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<v Speaker 2>Emergencies Well, turns out there would only be one emergency

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<v Speaker 2>that was so urgent Ryan or Rupp had to use

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<v Speaker 2>this system. It was a day in November nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>during Exercise Able Archer. But before we get to that

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<v Speaker 2>faithful day, the US and the Soviet Union were about

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<v Speaker 2>to be further downgraded from enemies to I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's worse than enemies arch enemies. I'm going to workshop that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get back to you, because in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the most tense time in the Cold War, Reagan would

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<v Speaker 2>make a batshit crazy decision. He was already poking the

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<v Speaker 2>bear publicly humiliating the Soviet Union and backing them into

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear corner. But now it's almost like he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to start stabbing the bear. And you don't stab bears. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just kidding any get cat.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, this is the kind of thing you could

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<v Speaker 4>put in a kid's book about, like standing up to

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<v Speaker 4>a bully.

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<v Speaker 2>This is everyone's favorite nuclear historian Jeffrey Lewis talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan and his administration.

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<v Speaker 4>To them, the Soviet Union was big and powerful in

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<v Speaker 4>a bully and they were going to stand up. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, at the end of the kid's book, the

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<v Speaker 4>bully backs down. And so he's looking at the global

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<v Speaker 4>military posture and he's trying to imagine ways to restore

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<v Speaker 4>the strength and the impressiveness of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to do this, Reagan needed to know what

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviets were capable of. And as we've established, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to call and drop off. Of course, not

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<v Speaker 2>that would be too easy, so instead he decided to

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<v Speaker 2>test their abilities and their resolve. So he gave the

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<v Speaker 2>order for the military to execute psychological operations, or syops.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's how these syops went down. A big navy fleet

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<v Speaker 2>would cross the Pacific and approach the Soviet Union from

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<v Speaker 2>the east, and then day after day, US fighter jets

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<v Speaker 2>would fly right up to Russian airspace and then at

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<v Speaker 2>the last minute turn around and come back home. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they'd do it again and again and again, but

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they would actually cross the line. One ship shut

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<v Speaker 2>off its electronics and approached Soviet waters. Then six Navy

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<v Speaker 2>planes took off. They actually flew over Russian islands, zipping

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<v Speaker 2>through Soviet air. As one writer put it, they flew

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<v Speaker 2>up Ivan's nose.

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<v Speaker 4>Putting the fear of God like literally into the Soviets.

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<v Speaker 2>The goal of the exercise was twofold. Number one observed

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<v Speaker 2>their defenses. Number two just fuck with their heads a

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<v Speaker 2>little or maybe a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're the Soviets and you are seeing aircraft and

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<v Speaker 4>ships doing unexpected things and probing your defenses, possibly that's

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<v Speaker 4>an exercise. Possibly that's a signal to show you that

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<v Speaker 4>they that the US means business. But it also looks

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<v Speaker 4>a lot like reconnaissance for an attack. It looks a

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<v Speaker 4>lot like a dry run of something you might do later.

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like probing to find weakness. And so again,

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<v Speaker 4>any deviation from a typical exercise pattern is going to

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<v Speaker 4>naturally raise alarm bells because the other side is like,

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<v Speaker 4>why are you doing this? So they're feeling anxious and

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<v Speaker 4>constantly worried about it. People are kind of putting it

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<v Speaker 4>together like you, well, this is like unwise. It was

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<v Speaker 4>creating a total panic inside the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 2>That panic started from the top, but it went all

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<v Speaker 2>the way down the chain of command because the Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>leaders put out the word the first radar operator who

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<v Speaker 2>spotted any planes off the coast was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>a nice, fat bonus.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the sad legacies of those psyops is that

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<v Speaker 4>the Soviet leadership offers financial rewards to air crews if

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<v Speaker 4>they shoot down aircraft that are entering Soviet airspace.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, payday for taking down suspicious planes. It

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<v Speaker 2>was risky business for both sides, and it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>long before it caused a disaster. On September, first flight

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<v Speaker 2>KAL zero zero seven departed from New York City, flying

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<v Speaker 2>west towards Seoul, South Korea. The same night, the Soviets

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<v Speaker 2>conducted a missile test. Soviet radars were active and the

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<v Speaker 2>officers at the controls weren't surprised to see that the

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<v Speaker 2>US Air Force had sent a spy plane to keep

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<v Speaker 2>tabs on them. Classic syops. The Soviet radar operators caught

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<v Speaker 2>it on their scopes, but the plane was keeping its distance,

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<v Speaker 2>following the normal flight paths. Nothing to worry about. The

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet radar operators did what they always do. They assigned

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<v Speaker 2>the American spy plane a little tracking number to keep

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<v Speaker 2>tabs on it through the night. But the spy plane

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't alone, and the hours before dawn, another object appeared

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<v Speaker 2>on the radar, flying fast from the Pacific Ocean. The

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<v Speaker 2>Russians watched as it approached the spy plane, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the two crossed paths. For just a moment, it was

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to tell the two aircraft apart on the radar,

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<v Speaker 2>but as they went their separate ways, the Russian radar

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<v Speaker 2>operators had to make a choice which tracking label should

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<v Speaker 2>go with which plane. They hoped, maybe prayed, that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mix them up. Mixed them up, and when they did,

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<v Speaker 2>the radar showed that the air force plane was headed

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<v Speaker 2>straight for Russia. But it wasn't the air force plane.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually KL zero zero seven, a commercial flight

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<v Speaker 2>with two hundred and sixty nine civilians on board. Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>pilots scrambled in minutes, Russian fighter jets were up in

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<v Speaker 2>the air, catching up to the plane. For a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian pilots were confused. The plane they were looking

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<v Speaker 2>at wasn't exactly acting like a military flight, lights flashing

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<v Speaker 2>on its outstretched wings. It was practically a homing beacon.

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<v Speaker 2>A military plane wouldn't have any lights on at all.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Soviet pilot Major Osipovic. He says, I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm locked onto the target. He takes note that the

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<v Speaker 2>plane resembles a passenger aircraft. He doesn't believe that it's

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<v Speaker 2>a spy plane. So then he tries to call the

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<v Speaker 2>plane on the radio, demands that it changed course. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>the target isn't responding to the call. Osipovich is commanded

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<v Speaker 2>to fire a warning shot. He does so, still no response.

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<v Speaker 2>Ka L zero zero seven just kept barreling on in

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<v Speaker 2>total radio silence. Then the Soviet generals on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>made the call destroy the target. Osipovich has his orders.

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<v Speaker 2>He fires. I have executed the launch, he says. Missiles

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<v Speaker 2>shred the wing and tail of KL zero zero seven.

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<v Speaker 2>It spirals into the ocean, a trail of fire, signaling

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<v Speaker 2>its fatal dive. Ossipovitch confirms the hit. The target is destroyed,

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<v Speaker 2>and just like that, two hundred and sixty nine innocent

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<v Speaker 2>people are dead.

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<v Speaker 6>One story, it's the Free World news media tonight, the

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<v Speaker 6>killing of two hundred and sixty nine innocent people. I

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<v Speaker 6>bought a Korean jumper jet that drifted into Soviet territory at.

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<v Speaker 11>The university, who were just shocked. That was very profound

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<v Speaker 11>that I remember talking to my friends about, like who

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<v Speaker 11>did that? Who would shoot down an airliner full of civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Vetlana Savranskaya recalling the confusion of Soviet citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>When news broke about the downing of flight KL zero

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<v Speaker 2>zero seven.

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<v Speaker 11>The Soviets issued the denial that they did not shoot

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<v Speaker 11>the airliner and that this is all American provocation. Nobody

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<v Speaker 11>shot at the liner. We don't know where it is.

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<v Speaker 11>It went somewhere, maybe it crashed, but we had nothing to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the plane just crashed. Not exactly believable, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were desperate to cover their asses.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States is demanding that the Soviet Union explained

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<v Speaker 1>why it shot down a Korean Airlines plane that had

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<v Speaker 1>straight into Soviet airspace.

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<v Speaker 11>A week later, the Soviets submitted that they actually shot

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<v Speaker 11>down the airliner.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't long before the Soviets realized that they were

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get away with this lie, so the

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<v Speaker 2>story changed. Yes, they shot down the plane, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't actually their fault.

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<v Speaker 7>As outrage mounts over the down to Korean airliner in

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<v Speaker 7>Moscow claims it was a spy plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Later, the pilot Osipovitch revealed that Soviet officials forced him

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<v Speaker 2>to record a fake radio exchange from a script. The

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<v Speaker 2>idea was to replace the original transmission, rewriting the facts

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<v Speaker 2>of that night's events, scrubbing the fact that Osipovich did

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<v Speaker 2>actually warn his commanders that the plane in question looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a passenger aircraft before those commanders ordered him to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot it down. They even had him hold an electric

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<v Speaker 2>razor up to the mic to try to mimic the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of a cockpit yep. Definitely, what I'm seeing here

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<v Speaker 2>is an American warplane, just absolutely covered with weapon. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got American flags paid it all over it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>an Uncle Sam riding on top. I mean, this is unmistakable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, nice, try, guys. Unlucky for them that Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>had intercepted the original transmission that night, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>already shared the recording with Ronald Reagan. He knew the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was going to make sure everyone knew what

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviets had done. Days after the attack, Reagan addressed

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<v Speaker 2>the nation from behind the desk in the Oval Office.

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<v Speaker 12>They deny the deed, but in their conflicting and misleading protestations,

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<v Speaker 12>the Soviets reveal that, yes, shooting down a plane, even

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<v Speaker 12>one with hundreds of innocent men, women, children, and babies,

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<v Speaker 12>is a part of their normal procedure if that plane

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<v Speaker 12>is in what they claim as their airspace.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, no way, this could be a mistake. The

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<v Speaker 2>Russians knew these were civilians. They didn't care. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>Communist way. He played recordings of the Soviet radio chatter

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<v Speaker 2>to a horrified audience.

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<v Speaker 12>There is no way a pilot could mistake this for

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<v Speaker 12>anything other than a civilian airliner. It was an act

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<v Speaker 12>of barbarigim.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing, It was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 11>The shooting was a tragic mistake. The United States knew

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<v Speaker 11>practically immediately because they were able to get the intercepts

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<v Speaker 11>of the Russian military communications, that the shooting was actually

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<v Speaker 11>a tragic mistake, that it was not deliberate, that they

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<v Speaker 11>actually thought they were shooting at an American spyplane.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Reagan knew it was an accident or at worst,

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<v Speaker 2>a miscalculation, why was he going on television to say

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviets killed innocent civilians on purpose.

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<v Speaker 11>To the Soviet elite, it felt like they were doing

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<v Speaker 11>it intentionally to prepare their own population and the European

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<v Speaker 11>populations to a new round of tension, or maybe a

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<v Speaker 11>preparation for war.

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<v Speaker 2>Reparation for war. Reagan must be spinning the Korean air

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<v Speaker 2>tragedy as propaganda priming the world for a war against

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union, right, it was the only explanation that

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<v Speaker 2>made any sense to the Soviet leaders. They were terrified

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<v Speaker 2>that a surprise nuclear attack was imminent. And what do

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians do when they're scared? They build a computer.

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<v Speaker 13>In the military space. The key issue is reaction time,

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<v Speaker 13>decision making speed, and also eliminating the human element from

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<v Speaker 13>carrying out those decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Simon Miles, assistant professor at Duke. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet leaders were increasingly concerned that the US was

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<v Speaker 2>going to attack in what's called a decapitating strike, which

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what it sounds like, chopping off the head

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<v Speaker 2>of the Soviet Union, killing the leaders in one fell swoop.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody to retaliate. The solution hit back, even if the

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<v Speaker 2>leaders were dead, with an automatic computerized nuke launching system,

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<v Speaker 2>utterly terrifying.

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<v Speaker 13>Basically a strange lovey and doomsday device.

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<v Speaker 2>About time somebody brought up that old Stanley Kubrick chestnut.

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<v Speaker 12>The doomsday machine.

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<v Speaker 11>The doomsday machine?

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<v Speaker 10>What is that?

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<v Speaker 6>A device which will destroy old human and animal life

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<v Speaker 6>on earth?

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Strangelove is fiction, But yeah, the Soviets did build

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<v Speaker 2>a system that would do basically the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They called it perimeter. When we found out about it

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<v Speaker 2>in the US, we called it dead hand.

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<v Speaker 13>Nuclear weapons are stationed under these massive walls of concrete

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<v Speaker 13>and rebar in sort of the far flung portions of

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<v Speaker 13>the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 9>But this is fantastic strange love.

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<v Speaker 6>How can it be triggered automatically?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so markab be simple to do with that.

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<v Speaker 13>First new system uses a wide range of temperature sensors,

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<v Speaker 13>pressure sensors, seismographs and things like that, which are calibrated

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<v Speaker 13>basically to read the symptoms of a nuclear strike. So

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<v Speaker 13>the way that you get the signal to them is

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<v Speaker 13>by launching smaller rockets at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you following all this? It's insane. If US nukes

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<v Speaker 2>hit the Krimlin in response, Soviets fire a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>little missiles at their own big missiles, which then triggers

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<v Speaker 2>a big underground computer to launch a bunch of nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>missiles at the US and doomsday.

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<v Speaker 6>No sa it is another thing a saying man with

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<v Speaker 6>the doomsday machine is designed.

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<v Speaker 13>We all know what happens next, which is that either

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<v Speaker 13>all human life is wiped out on the planet or

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<v Speaker 13>and what is probably a worse outcome, we all become

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<v Speaker 13>mole people, or rather a very small subset of us

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<v Speaker 13>who survive become mole people.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision making

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<v Speaker 3>process which rules out human mettling, so toombsday machine is

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<v Speaker 3>terrifying gee.

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<v Speaker 12>I wish we had one of them doomsday machines.

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<v Speaker 5>States.

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<v Speaker 2>The way Perimeter aka dead Hand really works is a

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<v Speaker 2>deeply buried secret, but Simon Miles believes that it still

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<v Speaker 2>had some small human element to it, that it required

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet leaders to turn it on. So a computer

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be launching nukes entirely on its own, not unless

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership was incapacitated and gave it permission to. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not clear whether or not dead Hand was fully

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<v Speaker 2>operational in nineteen eighty three, but what we do know

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Soviet Union fully believed in fighting the

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<v Speaker 2>Cold War with technology, even when that technology was not

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<v Speaker 2>yet perfected.

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<v Speaker 5>The system was rushed in. The Soviets brought it in

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<v Speaker 5>very quickly. They saw it as an issue of major

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<v Speaker 5>national emergency to install a system.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Taylor Downing again. He's talking about OCO, which

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<v Speaker 2>is another semi functional Soviet system, a network of satellites

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<v Speaker 2>hovering above America's missile silos watching for a nuclear launch.

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<v Speaker 2>The OCO technology wasn't yet perfected, still a little glitchy,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the days immediately after the Korean air tragedy,

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<v Speaker 2>while the Soviets were still reeling and only months before

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<v Speaker 2>able Archer, a glitch in the ecosystem would nudge the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviets a little closer to the brink. It's September twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three, Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov reported to work

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<v Speaker 2>at the OCO Control Center.

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<v Speaker 5>The control center where all of this information came in

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<v Speaker 5>and was interpreted was a place called Sepikov fifteen, which

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<v Speaker 5>was a top secret military site about eighty miles south

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<v Speaker 5>of Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>Petrov was an engineer. He knew computers, he knew satellites,

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<v Speaker 2>he knew communications.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, he was the deputy chief of the Department

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<v Speaker 5>of Military Algorithms.

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<v Speaker 2>Col job title alert. Anyway, Petrov was at his post

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<v Speaker 2>with a dozen men under his command. His job was

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<v Speaker 2>to monitor the seven Russian satellites as they orbited over

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<v Speaker 2>American missile silos, scanning for a launch. If he saw one,

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<v Speaker 2>Petrov would immediately alert Soviet leadership at the highest levels.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have mere minutes to decide whether to launch

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<v Speaker 2>a retaliatory strike.

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<v Speaker 5>He is sitting in a gallery like looking down on

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<v Speaker 5>the main control room, and in front of him and

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<v Speaker 5>in front of everybody, is a giant screen with a

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<v Speaker 5>map on it. The North Pole is in the center

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<v Speaker 5>of the map. The United States sort of spreads out

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<v Speaker 5>to the top of the map, and the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 5>spreads out across the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of an unusual perspective. But this map was all

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<v Speaker 2>about tracing intercontinental ballistic missiles and probably Santa too, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's top secret.

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<v Speaker 5>Paul is perfectly normal. Quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Petrov even remembers that he made himself a cup of tea.

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<v Speaker 2>His men were at their stations, and time ticked.

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<v Speaker 5>By until about quarter past twelve in the morning. Just

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<v Speaker 5>after midnight, a clason suddenly starts blaring and a signal,

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<v Speaker 5>A giant signaling red letters comes up on the screen

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<v Speaker 5>in front, which is the Russian word for launch, comes

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<v Speaker 5>up flashing launch Launch, Launch on screen.

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<v Speaker 2>It said High Reliability Satellite number five had detected the

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<v Speaker 2>rocket flare of an American cruise missile. Petrov hesitated. All

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<v Speaker 2>the heads in the room turned to face him. The

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<v Speaker 2>men under his command were waiting to see how he

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<v Speaker 2>would respond. Petrov knew how the system was supposed to work.

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<v Speaker 2>If a nuclear missile had been fired from the United

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<v Speaker 2>States in thirty short minutes, a nuclear blast would decimate Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single moment he hesitated was one moment less that

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet leaders could sound the alarms, one moment less for

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<v Speaker 2>his own family to run to their bunkers.

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<v Speaker 5>He'd been part of the setting up of this system,

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<v Speaker 5>and we now know that he didn't have that much

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<v Speaker 5>confidence in it. He knew it had been rushed, its

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<v Speaker 5>installation had been rushed. He knew that lots of corners

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<v Speaker 5>had been cut, that the glitches would be worked out

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<v Speaker 5>once it was operational.

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<v Speaker 2>Petrov orders his men to reset the system.

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<v Speaker 5>He gets on the phone to his command center and says,

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<v Speaker 5>I believe I have a false alarm.

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<v Speaker 2>But then satellite five pinged again. He shut it off,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another he shut it off. He waited, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it happened again. The screen warned him launched detected.

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<v Speaker 5>Says that he felt his legs that sort of collapsed

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<v Speaker 5>underneath him. He said it was like sitting in a

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<v Speaker 5>in a frying pan.

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<v Speaker 2>Stanislov had to decide was his instinct right or was

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<v Speaker 2>the system right. In interviews, Stanislov would later say that

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't know exactly why he made the call he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He just went with his gut and maintained it was

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<v Speaker 2>a false alarm.

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<v Speaker 5>A few minutes passes. He holds his position, and by

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<v Speaker 5>this point, had there been a launch attack other systems,

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<v Speaker 5>the Soviets had radar stations on the North Pole, other

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<v Speaker 5>systems would have picked up incoming missiles, and there's nothing there.

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<v Speaker 2>Halujah, Hand to God. Even forty years after this all happened,

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<v Speaker 2>I still almost wet myself just thinking about it. Eventually

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<v Speaker 2>the lights blinked out. Satellite number five had malfunctioned. It

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<v Speaker 2>detected flashes of light. Yeah, but they weren't the trails

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<v Speaker 2>of launch nuclear missiles. They were flashes of light that

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<v Speaker 2>came from the sun reflecting off a pillar of clouds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. The Soviets built a system that almost blew

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<v Speaker 2>all of us to Kingdom come because the dawn's early

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<v Speaker 2>light got cozy with some cumulus clouds. Now. Had Petrov

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<v Speaker 2>done what he was supposed to do, he would have

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<v Speaker 2>called up to a Soviet leader who very well could

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<v Speaker 2>have given a launch order that was protocol. But instead

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<v Speaker 2>he was cool headed, rational. He saved the world by

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<v Speaker 2>doing nothing at all.

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<v Speaker 5>We're very lucky that Petrov held his line.

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<v Speaker 2>The Soviets didn't see it that way. He was reprimanded

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<v Speaker 2>for failing to log the alarm and discharged from his position.

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<v Speaker 2>He spent the rest of his life in squalor and

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<v Speaker 2>poverty some reward. The truth is the Soviets weren't the

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<v Speaker 2>only ones who had these kinds of false alarms. Americans

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<v Speaker 2>did too. Both sides relied on faulty technology to navigate

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear conundrum that is, mutually assured destruction. All I

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<v Speaker 2>know is that we're damn lucky the sun hit those

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<v Speaker 2>clouds in September and not two months later, because two

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<v Speaker 2>months later the Soviets would hit their breaking point. NATO

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<v Speaker 2>was staging a massive military exercise, concluding with a rehearsal

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<v Speaker 2>for nuclear war called Able Archer eighty three. Next time

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<v Speaker 2>on STAFU, the Soviets watch as NATO practices a nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a question of would it happen, It was

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<v Speaker 2>a question of when was it going to happen. We

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<v Speaker 2>were preparing to fight armageddon. We were training to fight

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the world. The Soviets put their spies

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<v Speaker 2>on alert.

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<v Speaker 9>Saying Americans, so now in the middle of their exercise,

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<v Speaker 9>so be ready for ever received.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fate of the world hangs in the balance

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<v Speaker 2>and he had to report to him.

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<v Speaker 13>Hey, sir, there's some anomalies the Soviet forces seemed if

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<v Speaker 13>the air forces have gone on a heightened alert.

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