1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hey, Patriots fans. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: If you want to see Toyota's best offers, including those 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: not seen on TV, go to buy a Toyota dot com. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: It's Toyota's official website for deals from the official vehicle 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: of the Newland Patriots, Toyota Let's Go Places. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: Listener discretion is advised. The world's a biget, pocas. 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: I think it's a lot, it's worth a lot. What 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: do you wear a sweater cold? 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm want to pull a Fred. I don't care for it. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: It's like a Fred McMurray. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 4: You wear what you want to wear. Fred, don't listen 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: to them. 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just do me again. 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: So what was up with the hard landing? Though? 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 4: Is so he thinks that our pilot heavy Boy is Yeah, 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 4: it was trained by top Gun. 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. We're also doing mock to to 21 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: Buffalo on the way home. 22 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: It's a barrel roll. 23 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: The one thing about all of this that's gonna piss 24 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 4: me off the most. 25 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: Okay, well, no, no, no, I'm not done. 26 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: Not done. Hey, Hey, Hey, the game was. 27 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: Remarkable, not in an outstanding sense, but just it's worth 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: making remarks about. 29 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't what did. 30 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: He call ourselves the best game day sideline coach in 31 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: the history of the modern NFL? Remember that? 32 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: What this is Patriots Unfiltered. 33 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 5: Presented by Toyota's official website for deals by a Toyota 34 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 5: dot Com. 35 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here 36 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. You gotta you gotta kick out of 37 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: that hot fall. 38 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, in retrospect and listening to it back, you did 39 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: say it right the first time. I just must have 40 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: been maybe scrolling to my phone or something. I missed 41 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: some pronouns like the he's in the left. But yeah, 42 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: you said it clearly the first time. I just missed it. 43 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, I might have added a few things there, but 44 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I remember that vividly. 45 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: What was it again, The greatest sideline coach in the 46 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: modern era, in the history of the modern I believe 47 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I could just say modern era 48 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: without the history part. 49 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: Well, you also can just say coach, you know, like 50 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: it was sideline modern. 51 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: Like, oh, so it was it. 52 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 6: I thought it was specifically like sideline when he's on 53 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 6: the sideline, that's when he's at his best. 54 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of qualifiers 55 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: the game. If you recall, like going down the stretch 56 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: of that ninety six season, I think there was a 57 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: little bit of Robert sort of reaching out, trying to like. 58 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: Say, you know, we can we can work through this, 59 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: you can stay. 60 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it was like a plea 61 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: to get him to stay, kind of like me at 62 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: the Giants game in the finale that year with alfrom Everett, 63 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: the famous al from Everett screaming at him, Tuna, don't leave. 64 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Alf from effortt is like on his knees trying to 65 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: get Bill Parcells to not not leave the Patriots and 66 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: he left. Is that hanging over the team the whole year? 67 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: Was that just down the stretch? 68 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 6: And was there something specific that kind of reignited it? 69 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: Just rumors started. Yeah, there was. 70 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Something contractual, like he asked for like a year to 71 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: be taken off his contract or something like that, and 72 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: there was some some kind of a clause in there 73 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: that was altered. And yeah, well it was late in 74 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: the year. 75 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's history now, so I can probably 76 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: say it. 77 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: Oh, well, probably not. 78 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: I remember during the whole controversy. This is when we 79 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: all worked in Boston because there was no room at 80 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: the old stadium, and the Crafts had a floor at 81 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: one Boston Place, and uh, you know I would see 82 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: Robert a lot because you know, you're on the same floor. 83 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: And he pulled out from his desk drawer the contract. 84 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: But it was one page of the contract with a 85 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: paragraph blown up and circled, and it was that paragraph 86 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: that gave him ironclad rights to parcels no matter what happened, right, 87 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: And that's how they were able to get the compensation 88 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: from the jets. But he showed me that. I was like, okay, 89 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: you thought ahead. 90 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 6: Let's see that's what was gonna say. That's smart small, 91 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 6: I mean, he's a billionaire, he's a smart businessman. 92 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 93 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: So that was that, and here we are, all right, 94 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: so it's deuced. It's Paul, it's me Evan will be by. 95 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: He's out of practice. Practice now practical, change the schedule, 96 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: early practice. 97 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: Now what do you make of that? Fred? The change 98 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: of the schedule. 99 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: Guys are banged up. It's a shorter practice. No, it's 100 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: a shorter practice like last week because guys are But 101 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: what do you think of the altering of the schedule, 102 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: the timing. I don't ask why. 103 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 6: I just love it because it's a two o'clock locker 104 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 6: room and that's the answer. 105 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: That's the answer. 106 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 6: Good, don't ask why, But I don't know. I mean, 107 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 6: they're they're probably just kind of him walked through everything. 108 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: There's not going so everybody got it? 109 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, just like are we giving up on the team 110 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 7: if this is the last game? 111 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: Like if this is Bill's last game? Right, Like do 112 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: you think did in the back of his mind, he's 113 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: like like the wing tea or something I said yesterday 114 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: come out with the I must have had like a 115 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: just here that I don't know. 116 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: You don't listen to me anymore. 117 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: I don't and I'm really upset me flower. 118 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 119 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: That's that's just putting the flowers. That goes back to 120 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: that song. Correct, I got it? 121 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so bring me you know why. It 122 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: could be a million reasons why. 123 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: But I think tomorrow on the schedule is supposed to 124 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: be back normal. So yeah, just did you get that 125 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: split the split squad locker room again tomorrow? 126 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 6: Thank yeah, thank god. That's that's not that's not a 127 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 6: fun thing. 128 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but have we got any updates on 129 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: the weather? 130 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. 131 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 6: You know, there's two kind of competing models that I 132 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 6: looked at. 133 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: The European model and the model. 134 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 7: You're right, I don't know what the other one was. 135 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 7: There a couple of words Patriots back media, I think 136 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 7: is reporting. 137 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 6: I believe the European model was three just six inches. 138 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 6: The other model, though, was a little bit higher. That 139 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 6: was like six to ten maybe. 140 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: And what are we hearing? 141 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 4: It's supposed to start start at mid midnight, midnight, so 142 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: it's tough to get here. 143 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: Is it tough to get here? Probably tough to get out? 144 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 6: I know it's if it was anything but the last game, 145 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 6: I would be like dreading it. I mean, I'm sure 146 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 6: people are dreading it, but I don't know. I live close, 147 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 6: so that's an advantage. But it's just I want to 148 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 6: see what the atmosphere is going to be like. I've 149 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 6: never been to a Patriots snow game in my life, 150 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 6: So in the warmth of the press box, just looking 151 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 6: down on the poor pleaves down there, like having a. 152 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: Stro you'll get to look down on the Jets the 153 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: way that Andy and I looked down at the Arizona Cardinals, 154 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: oh boy, and said, they're going to get blown out. Oh, 155 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: I know, they're gonna get the just they don't want 156 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: to be here, even though the Jets play in a 157 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, obviously a similar climate. 158 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 4: But they are. 159 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: They're done. And I mean imagine having to go on 160 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: the road and that, I mean, your bus is double parked. 161 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: Did they ever do stuff for the weather like this? 162 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 6: I mean, it's are there any precautionary measures employed? I 163 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 6: mean there was obviously the nine game was I mean, 164 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 6: but that was that was just that wasn't like plowable snow, 165 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 6: was it that? 166 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: You mean, if you've got like a like a major 167 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: blues where you got like one of Yeah, I mean 168 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. 169 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: Has moved games around in recent years. 170 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: Well as of yesterday, down on the Cape when it's 171 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: usually a little warmer, it was chance of rain on Sunday. 172 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: Now they've changed it to a chance of snow. So 173 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: that tells you something, right there. 174 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 6: Everything I saw it seems like snow snow is happening. 175 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: Than everybody else in the area. 176 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: I know, well it's I mean, it's a wide range, 177 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 6: so I'm sure I can't wait. People are gonna ask 178 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 6: Bill about it on Friday, and I'll be like, I 179 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 6: don't know, you know, he always like plays like sometimes 180 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 6: they say it's every foot there's nothing, you know. 181 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just have to leave the house 182 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: at four in the morning, you know, probably effect get 183 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: your snowshoes, get your snow skis, your. 184 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 6: Cross country skis in the back of your car in 185 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 6: case you get stuck. 186 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: I mean. The good thing is it is a Sunday, 187 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: so the roads won't be as you know, crowded. Yeah, 188 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: tell my wife, I'll shovel when I get home. Stay 189 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: in the house. 190 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: Did you ever sit in a snow game? Pauls as 191 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: a Patriots fan? 192 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 6: No, No, some rain and cold, but never snow. 193 00:07:59,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 194 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: I got pretty lucky. 195 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: I didn't really even have I had some windy games, 196 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: but I didn't have like a lot of rain or. 197 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: Or snow. 198 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: Mud mud, a lot of mud. 199 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: The old stadium, right, it's like surrounded by mud. 200 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so jets, I mean a question, jets 201 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: really anything? 202 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: You know, Bill didn't really, you know, didn't really provide 203 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: anything today. Quinnin Williams is good. Garrett Wilson is good. 204 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Reesall is good. That's about it. Those guys were highlighted. Yeah, 205 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: and I mean they have some talent, and I do 206 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: think for the most part, they've they've they've competed, but 207 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: they just turned the ball over too much. And they 208 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: lead the league, right, Yeah, thirty two I think giveaways 209 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: and it's really hard, like you know, just think about 210 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: what the Patriots defense went through on Sunday. 211 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: That has been the norm for the Jets. 212 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know there's still I mean, their defense 213 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: is still pretty good, but it's just to keep teams 214 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: down when you're constantly giving them short fields and in 215 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: extra possessions. 216 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was you know, I do I do my 217 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 6: next get stats, which I just I think statistically, the 218 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 6: Jets defense shapes up a lot more just on paper, 219 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 6: like you want a good defense to shape up. You know, 220 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 6: it's their fifth and pressure rates, but they're but they're 221 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 6: thirty thirty first in blitz rates, so they don't blitz, 222 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 6: they get pressure. 223 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: You know. 224 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 6: Contrast that though with the Patriots were ninth and blitz 225 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 6: rate and twenty sixth in pressure. You know, so it's 226 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 6: just a little bit of a contrast between the two teams. 227 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 6: And you know, kind of their style. The Patriots, We've 228 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 6: given them a lot of credit, but I still, you know, 229 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 6: continue to say, I mean, eighteenth in pass EPA. They 230 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 6: this Jets defense probably better than this Patriots. 231 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 2: I wonder though, like if you look at the way 232 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: Barmore has been playing down the stretch, if he had 233 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: played that way throughout, Yeah, if that pressure rate would 234 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: go up because he's he's back there a lot. 235 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good I mean, a good question of 236 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 6: how much they've they've risen. I mean, they haven't really 237 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 6: gone too crazy with with the blitzing, but it's I 238 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 6: don't know, I just I think that there's work to 239 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 6: be done on defensive side of the ball, as much 240 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 6: as that's going to get ignored and probably fall by 241 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 6: the wayside with a lot of our offseason discussion, and 242 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 6: rightly so, I mean, I think, I mean, and everyone 243 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 6: were saying, like, look like the first two picks of the. 244 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: Draft have to go to the offensive side of the 245 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 1: ball at least. 246 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 6: Right Like, it's just hard to bank a case for 247 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 6: any real position unless you want to talk to me 248 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 6: about a real good pass rusher. 249 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: But otherwise, and that's the only way I would have 250 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: anything before Day three, go on defense is if you 251 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: had a chance for a pass rusher that can impact 252 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: the game off the edge out, you know, and you're 253 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: obviously you're going to get You're going to get defensive 254 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: backs later in the draft. You always do. 255 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 4: So I agree with you, Mike. I think you have 256 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 4: to devote this draft off. 257 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: It seems among the Patriots wise guys that the play 258 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: is Harrison, trade back up and get Penix. Yeah, that's 259 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: the play. 260 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: So I have a question for that now, and I 261 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: don't necessarily mind the rationale, but what do you have 262 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: to trade up with after you take number three? 263 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 6: I mean, all the talk yesterday, that's a derail question. 264 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 6: Far up do you have to trade in there? 265 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just depends on who. 266 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 4: You know. That's a great question. 267 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't have the answer, but a lot of people 268 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: think that Pennix is rising up the board. 269 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just kind of seeing yesterday were speculation of 270 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 6: what Chicago might get if they were to trade it 271 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 6: they were to keep fields and you know, just talking 272 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 6: about Chicago kind of sitting in the driver's seat and 273 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 6: it was huge. I mean, it's you know, a couple 274 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 6: first rounders, like it's. 275 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: Oh, I saw a second or third round pick. Jeremy Fowler. Oh, 276 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. 277 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 6: Maybe we read different things, but I don't know, it's 278 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 6: just the more wait wait. 279 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: Wait, I think you might be thinking talking about different things. 280 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: You're talking about if if somebody wanted to trade somebode 281 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: to the first round you're talking about for field right. 282 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 4: I think I had like I had an aneurysm. I 283 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: think I don't know. 284 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said, And somehow I was thought 285 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: you were talking about what it would take to get 286 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: fields right. That's totally my fault, totally my bad. I 287 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what I'm doing. 288 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 6: Scary, like just a couple of there's a second and 289 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 6: third to get to the first over all pick tomorrow. 290 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: You just let him go. 291 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: No, I didn't know. He was like, we read different things, right, 292 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: but no, because we're because basically we're talking about two. 293 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: Totally, but it all depends like who is the team 294 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: trying to get to the first. If they're lower, they're 295 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: going to have to give up more. Yeah, it's like 296 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: us in the third slot, we wouldn't have to give 297 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: up as much. 298 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's it's I mean it's it's 299 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 6: great to be Chicago right now. 300 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just I continue that this is. 301 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 6: A really deep draft with receivers, and you know, to 302 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 6: put all your eggs in a basket of not only 303 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 6: taking Marvin Harrison, but making no strides to protect your 304 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 6: quarterback and then just assuming you're gonna get Michael Pennix, 305 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 6: who I mean, God, after that performance the other night 306 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 6: and whatever he does in this National Championship game, is 307 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 6: it hard to imagine that some team's going to trade 308 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 6: up and take him by the mid first round. 309 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: Like so it's well, that was my point. Like if 310 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: if it's like one of those deals where you have 311 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: like the third or fourth pick of the second round 312 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: and you want to get to like twenty nine, absolutely 313 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: you can do that. 314 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 4: But what if you need to get to fifteen to. 315 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: Get and did Canny Pickett go at? Like? 316 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 6: You know, I mean, Michael Pennox looks way better to 317 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 6: me than Kenny Pickett. 318 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's it's complicated. 319 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 6: I admittedly I've I've started looking at some of these 320 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 6: guys have looked I'm looking at the tackles, and you know, 321 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 6: I just I think that that remains something as much 322 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 6: as people are gonna be kicking and screaming about it, 323 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 6: it's something. 324 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: That I know, just you know, even to take one 325 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: another back, like it's not sexy, but we really need it. 326 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 6: No, I mean, and you know, I just going in 327 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 6: on ol Lufashanu for a second, Like just I didn't 328 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 6: really start with his film. I just started watching him 329 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 6: like interviews and you know what kind of guy he 330 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 6: is and learning about him, and like, you know, it's 331 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 6: you need a foundational player. You need a kind of 332 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 6: guy who you know, I don't want to say he's 333 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,479 Speaker 6: Matthew Slater, but I mean super smart, super you know, intelligent, 334 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 6: kind of got everything together, went back to to try 335 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 6: to win. You know, there's a lot of things to 336 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 6: like about that guy. And as as much as people 337 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 6: would hate it, it's you know, it's just hard to 338 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 6: say we're going to draft a quarterback. We're not going 339 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 6: to do anything to protect him though, I mean, we 340 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 6: know what that formula kind of looks like. I just 341 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 6: I hesitate on Marvin Harrison. 342 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: Those those moves to me. 343 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 6: Seem like we just need like it'd be a great 344 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 6: move for Chicago, right, Like if they really believe in Fields, Right, 345 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 6: you got a guy he's close, you know, he's he's 346 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 6: played in these kind of environments like so that to 347 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 6: me makes sense. 348 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: I think it's setting up for them perfectly, like if, 349 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: because I think it's worth the risk, because I think 350 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: the the reward is huge if if Fields is actually 351 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: starting to get it, and you stick with him and 352 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: you draft Marvin Harrison and then your other pick is 353 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: going to be like ten or eleven and you get 354 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: a tackle, yeah boom. I mean if the Patriots were 355 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: in that position. 356 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: You know, or help your defense like some you know, 357 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: you get a high pick. 358 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 6: But I mean look at Houston last year, similar thing, right, Like, 359 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 6: I mean, get two high round picks, they. 360 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: Hit on both of them, and all of a sudden, 361 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: you're not that far away from at least being competitive 362 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: and they have been what are they six and five? 363 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: And they last eleven something like that. 364 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 4: Jesus, I don't know Chicago now, his record is a 365 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: is terrible. Do you guys hold the league at all? 366 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 367 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: I just don't know their last eleven games. 368 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: Evan sit down football with somebody, please, I'm just watching 369 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: Evan try to adjust the seat. He's going lower. 370 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Evan, please sit down and get on the mic. I 371 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: need somebody to talk about the NFL at large. What 372 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: are the what are the Bears in their last eleven Evan? 373 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Do you got that? 374 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: Well? 375 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: My point is they. I mean, he still has a 376 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: terrible record as a starter, it's like way below five hundred. 377 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: But lately, like the last whatever eight ten games, he's 378 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: been better and they've been winning since he came back 379 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: from his injury. Now, it might just be a soft 380 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: spot on the schedule. It could be as simple as that. Now, 381 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: I look at the two Detroit games. 382 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 383 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Detroit's pretty good and they had them. They should have 384 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: beaten them twice. They split the two games. 385 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 386 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: And I think we talked about Pennix. I think, Evan, 387 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: you said Senior Bowl for him yesterday. 388 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: So Jim nagy Te's on Monday night during the game. Yeah, 389 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 4: oh wait till you see him in Mobile. 390 00:15:59,240 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 391 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: So he don't have like a formal announcement that they 392 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 4: did with Bo Nicks. Yeah. 393 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: Bo Nicks had the formal announcement. So that's two of 394 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are a little bit further down that 395 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: will be at the Senior Bowl and you know will 396 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: be there. 397 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 4: Well, not me, you come in my hopes. 398 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: Of Evan will be there. 399 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: It's gonna be h that. I'm really looking forward to 400 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: seeing Nicks because I think there's a lot of there's 401 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 4: a mixed bag on him right now. If some people 402 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 4: love him, some people hate him. So it'd be good 403 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: to see him in a different environment because that Oregon 404 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: offense is very unique and very simple in a lot 405 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: of ways, Like justin Herbert I think was held back 406 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: a lot by that offense in college too, So be 407 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: cool to see him in like a pro style offense 408 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: and how he operates down there. So Evan's here, Hi, 409 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,479 Speaker 4: By the way, Evan. 410 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 8: Has turned, Evan has returned, has turned all right? 411 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: Evan. 412 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: A little bit of a change in schedule today, Yeah, 413 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: a little bit of a change of twelve o'clock practice 414 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: like the good old days, you know, going back to 415 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: the eleven thirty bill twelve o'clock practice. 416 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: Missed that anyways, next year. We have two absences at 417 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 4: Patriots practice today. Miles Bryant, who I don't know why 418 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 4: he was not at practice, Maybe an illness or something 419 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 4: like that. Wasn't hurt during the game. To my knowledge, 420 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 4: so who knows and no Trent Brown, who I think 421 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: is just I think we might have sent him to pastor. Ye, yeah, 422 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: it might be. It might be time on that one. 423 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see when we go into the 424 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: locker room. Does does he have a locker is it's 425 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 4: la a cleaned out? 426 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 2: You know, it's a situation and were they outside? 427 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: They were outside and not in not in pad is 428 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 4: going to be a really light practice today? 429 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? 430 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys banged up according to the 431 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: head coach. I think there's also this, I mean, what 432 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: are they really playing for on Sunday in this game. 433 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot. 434 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: Of what about finished strong? Whatever happened to that? 435 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: That's that's fair. I mean they did the same thing 436 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: last week. A lighter practice on Wednesday. Tomorrow will be 437 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 4: like a full schedule down here like it usually is 438 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 4: on Wednesdays and Thursdays, you know, full practice, four thirty, 439 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: locker room, you know, so tomorrow will be normal. I 440 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: think they're going easy on the guys a little bit 441 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: this late in the year. 442 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean it's true they probably are banged up. 443 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there are a lot 444 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: of guys even that are banged up that aren't necessarily 445 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 4: front and center on the injury report every single week, 446 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 4: just bumps and bruises of the season. Thinking about the center, 447 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 4: for example, David Andrews, who's played started every game and 448 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 4: is almost played every single snap, I think for them 449 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 4: on offense this year, guys like that, I think are 450 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 4: are pretty much tapped out at this point. 451 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: Okay, how was the media contingency? 452 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 4: A lot of media, I would say today, I think 453 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: Belichick coming in this morning and you know, he's getting 454 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: the questions and of course he's got all the deflections 455 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 4: to We're just focused on the Jets. We're just focused 456 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 4: on the Jets, not even just about his future, but 457 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: futures of people on the team, you know, other players 458 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 4: on the team, obviously Bill O'Brien, like how his performance 459 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: was this year, like all that kind of stuff, and 460 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 4: a lot of it is just you know, we're just 461 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 4: focused on the Jets right now. 462 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: Have national guys started showing up on the scene yet 463 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: not yet? 464 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: No, no, no, And I think the Snowstar might scare 465 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 4: him off on Sundays. 466 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: To yeah, okay, but the mood of the team. 467 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 4: I gotta admit it didn't start off well. No, we walked, 468 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 4: we walked into practice, and maybe we were like thirty 469 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: seconds early into practice because the music wasn't playing yet 470 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 4: and it was everybody was just kind of standing around 471 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: and it was kind of biz Are and Barth and 472 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 4: I were. 473 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: Just like everybody looked coming coming everything all right. 474 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: Then the music started and the stretching started, and it 475 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: felt like a normal practice. But I think we that 476 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 4: probably happens every practice. They just open the door. 477 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 6: Maybe they'll just sit there and stare at each other 478 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 6: in silence on this. 479 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Like ever high. 480 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 4: What you say, open the door of the gate, of 481 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 4: the gate. 482 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: Of the gate. 483 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, goes the gatekeeper, gotcha? Yeah all right, yeah, 484 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 4: god you say yes? 485 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: All right, Well that's that's your practice report when it's worth. 486 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a question, how does what is the 487 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 6: mechanics of the day after, like the locker clean I'm 488 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 6: trying to. 489 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: Remember there's a mandatory available. 490 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: The locker room will be open one person in person 491 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 4: in person. Bill would no, he does it on zoom 492 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: the next morning. 493 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: And and that would also he wouldn't necessarily have a 494 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: press Like if you're asking that, Yeah, that would barely 495 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: have a press scottvience, now I do. I can tell you, 496 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: you know from being around when Pete Carroll's last day, 497 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the you know, the announcement went out and he did 498 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: not do a press conference from inside the old Patriots Club. 499 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: Remember this, Freddy, I think you were you were there. 500 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: It was in the parking lot and they had makeshift 501 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: like they had like a micy have a box? 502 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 4: Did he have a box in his hands? 503 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: Like people people literally were like putting their microphones up 504 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: and taping them all together. And there was a big 505 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: group of us around him, and he talked for a 506 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: little bit and uh. 507 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: And some of the fraud media that killing him just put. 508 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: But best of luck, Pete like doing the swim move 509 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: around people to get in there so they could shake 510 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: his hand. And I was like, yeah, all right, you've 511 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: been killing him for like three months. 512 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: Why was it in the parking lot because he was 513 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 4: no longer the head coach of the pages. 514 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: Like his key card didn't work anymore. 515 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: He can't get literally, that's what I said, like the 516 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 4: box of the stapler, that's our stapler. 517 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: It wasn't that the day that we saw Robert Kraft 518 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: drive off with Bill Belichick. Remember that I do not remember. 519 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 4: Yes, that happened. 520 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill, Robert and Bill had a conversation in the 521 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: car and they drove away together. 522 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 4: Based on my last two shows, I'm just going to say, yeah, no, 523 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: it happened. 524 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: I have no recollection that happened. They had a little 525 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: little red convertible, and. 526 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: I think at the time Robert said, you know, I 527 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: am or was considering bringing you on as head coach, 528 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: but it's too close to I need the separation. 529 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 4: I thought it will be interesting. 530 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: Do you think he had a conversation with Belichick about 531 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: wanting to hire him, but he thought it was too close. 532 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: He said, you were someone I'm I'm considering, but it's 533 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: too close. 534 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: So this was when Parcels left. Yes, okay, I'm talking 535 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: about when Carol left, which is which is why I 536 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: had no recollection of it, because I wasn't there when ourselves. 537 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: I was there when. 538 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: Ninety six, I'm sorry ninety seven. 539 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So that was when he drove off with Yeah, 540 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: after ourselves. 541 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: Because that was weirds. 542 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: I had no recollection after ourselves. 543 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 4: We have like the paparazzi photo right right right. 544 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: He drove he drove off with Bill, yeah, after after Carol. 545 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: Like Paul said, it was in the parking lot, and 546 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: it was kind of weird. 547 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: It was it was a different, surreal kind of. 548 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 4: Environment. 549 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: And I think he wanted to talk like he actually 550 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: made a big deal because they just want to go 551 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: around and say hey to a bunch of you know, 552 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: typical people. You know, I just want to say hey, 553 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: hey to you know, some of the fellows. I think 554 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: he just wanted to do it. I think he he 555 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: just is a good guy, and I think he kind 556 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: of felt like, I want to say goodbye it all. 557 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: He was too nice. He was too and some of 558 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: these guys took advantage of him. 559 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's all he wanted to do. Now, 560 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't the coach of the Patriots anymore, so they're 561 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: not going to have the press conference on you know, 562 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: like inside the Patriots offices and whatnot. 563 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 4: So it was weird. 564 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: Guys like Borges would take it, you know, five million 565 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: dollar linebackers. Remember that. 566 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: It's it's it's bs only he didn't say BS, right, 567 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: and then he goes, oh swearing now, but like you don't. 568 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: Do like that's disrespectful. 569 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 4: I thought, do you think Ronnie was disrespectful that day. 570 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 6: Do you think there might be a similar situation this 571 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 6: time around where Bill needs some separation before he could 572 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 6: hire someone from this staff, like a Girod? Like, do 573 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 6: you think he he would need that separation again. 574 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 4: To get Robert Robert? 575 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 6: Well, you know how he had, he had Bill in house, 576 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 6: and he felt like he needed to get parcels out and. 577 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: Possibly, you know, I mean, but it's well, that's how 578 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 4: I feel. 579 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: But a lot of people disagree with no. 580 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: But I've heard you know, he doesn't. He wants the continuity, 581 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: like it's not all bad, you know, so why blow 582 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: it up? You know? That's who knows? 583 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: Who knows that Monday morning is going to be very 584 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 4: telling because Bill usually starts talking about this season that 585 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: we're currently in in the past tense or. 586 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: Right, we don't we can't even talk about it anymore. Lot, 587 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: we won the last game last year. 588 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: Right, so he'll started calling this year last year even 589 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 4: though last year just ended twelve minutes ago or whatever. 590 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: And he also playoff game was the epitome of yeah. 591 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 4: And he'll also talk about the off season and you know, 592 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 4: kind of things moving forward and all that kind of stuff. 593 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 4: And if he's not going to be here, then it's 594 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 4: gonna be odd to get those questions of like, oh, 595 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 4: so what do you think you're gonna do with the 596 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 4: second overall pick? And he's you know, not the one 597 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 4: making it. 598 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 6: It's just a weird I wonder if it's scheduled, and 599 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 6: then we get like, actually. 600 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: It's not going to happen this morning, like one of 601 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: those kind of up the rights. It's it is a great, 602 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: great point, Mike, because I I don't know how fast 603 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: it's going to happen. If it happens, and if it's 604 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: not done, do you just let him have his regular 605 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Well you also have to call Monday morning. 606 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 4: Because you also have to worry about raising eyebrows in. 607 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: The media of because you know that'll happen. 608 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 4: We always do this every Monday morning after the game 609 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 4: is over, after the season is over, like why not 610 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: this week? And you know, why not this year? 611 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: But if he does it and they're gonna say, well, 612 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: I guess Bill's staying you know, yeah. 613 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: You know, just women, it's going to be a very 614 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: interesting weekend, all right. Eight five five Pats five hundred 615 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: is the a sticket hotline web Radio Patriots dot Com 616 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: is the email address anything else we want to bring up. No, 617 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: So before Evan, when you walked in, we were talking 618 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: a little bit draft and I. 619 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: Never talked about the draft. 620 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: No, that's when the teams take the player. 621 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, can you explain it to me. 622 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: Like I'm one of the things we were talking about 623 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: the Bears in their situation. 624 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great if they if. 625 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: They do decide to move on from fields, is it. 626 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: Do you think they would want to make that trade 627 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: prior to the draft or can they wait till after 628 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: the draft and then trade them. 629 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. They could be better for them to 630 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: do it before the draft, hey, because they would get picks, right, 631 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: but also to let everybody know, you know, like I 632 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: can bump up his value by saying I don't have 633 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: to take Caleb Williams. I can just keep If you know, 634 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: you guys are calling me looking to make a trade. Yeah, 635 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean I think people would you know, rightly say, well, 636 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: if he's listening to me talk about a potential trade, 637 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: he's planning on taking Caleb Williams. 638 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 4: You also have a lot of teams. Well, we'll draft 639 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: quarterbacks that maybe would have been looking at justin fields 640 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 4: and now that you take those teams out of the equation. 641 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 4: Even if they draft somebody on day two they really 642 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: like the guy, if it's Bo Nicks or Pennix or 643 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: something like that, then all of a sudden, you know 644 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 4: that team is off the board. But I feel like 645 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: the Bears, I have already just put Marvin Harrison Junior 646 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 4: in a Bear's uniform. And however, wherever they pick him 647 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 4: in the top three or four picks, I don't know, 648 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 4: but I just feel like that's where that pick is 649 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 4: going to be. Whether it's I would think that they 650 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: would probably trade no lower than three because they don't 651 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: want to risk losing him at that point. It's a 652 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 4: good point, So maybe it's I would say the Commanders 653 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 4: are probably a good candidate to trade to one new owner, 654 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: probably new GM, new leadership there, wanting to make a splash, 655 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 4: and I could see them trading up to. 656 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: One that makes them that makes a lot of sense. 657 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: Washington would be I think a logical partner. 658 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 6: I like it just because you you know, I know 659 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 6: what Fields is. 660 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean I don't. 661 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: I don't. 662 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: Actually we don't know what Fields is. 663 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 6: But I think you've already kind of spent that first 664 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 6: round pick on him, and you put some time and 665 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 6: effort into him, and even if he's not the guy, 666 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 6: at least then you say, well, we put the pieces 667 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 6: around him. We gave him Harrison, maybe we drafted one 668 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 6: of these tackles. And if it doesn't work, you still 669 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 6: have other guys, Like if you just immediately blow him 670 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 6: up and go to another quarterback, who's to say the 671 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 6: same thing isn't going to happen again? You know, for 672 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 6: all his warts, at least you kind of know what 673 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 6: he is. 674 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, I like that method. 675 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 4: You saw it to the end, right right right. 676 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: If it doesn't get any better next year, at least 677 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: at least you know you gave them the resources. You 678 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: gave them the time. You're stuck with the same coach 679 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: and it didn't work. Now, it's obviously bad for the 680 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: Bears if that happens, but at least you don't have 681 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: any did we pull the plug too soon? 682 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 6: And at least you feel like you've got a favorable 683 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 6: situation for whoever you got to get rest time. And 684 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 6: if it didn't work, you're gonna be picking up high again, 685 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 6: and you're. 686 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 4: Probably That's my whole thing with Chicago is if it 687 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: doesn't work with justin fields, then you're going to be 688 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: picking in the top ten again next year anyway. So 689 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: then just draft the quarterback. 690 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: Then, you know, and you might get a similar situation. 691 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: I do think you know the quarterback then that we taught, 692 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, the more we talk about Panix and Nix 693 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: and McCarthy, and I do think that the the COVID 694 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: stuff is starting to show in the depth of some 695 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: of these positions, and you do have more options at 696 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: quarterback than you probably would in a normal year, right 697 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: because so many of these got them, Like Panics is 698 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: six years, Nix is six years, I think too, Daniels 699 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: is six years. 700 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 4: Ay for that, well, eventually it's going to cycle out. 701 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: Something is going to take a while. 702 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: But the transfer porter is also such a fatter because 703 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 4: these guys, you know, if Pennix never transfers to Washington, 704 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: and we're probably not having the conversation of him being 705 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: even in the first round because he doesn't have the 706 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 4: platform to showcase himself in the College Football Playoff, in 707 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: the Pac twelve championship. But we're at this point now 708 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: with these guys where they go three years at Auburn 709 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: and then bow Knicks transfers to Oregon and plays a 710 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 4: couple of years at Oregon and then goes to the NFL. 711 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 4: So I think in some ways, though we were talking 712 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 4: about this a little bit off the air, Like I 713 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: think it's good because these quarterbacks that come in super 714 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: young and super green are just getting thrown into the 715 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 4: fire and they're raw. 716 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: You know, they don't have the start. 717 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: Especially from a mental standpoint, They just don't have the 718 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: the IQ to be an NFL starter right out of 719 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 4: the gate. And I wonder if maybe some of these 720 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 4: five six year college players might be starting from a 721 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 4: higher point of development that they can step in and 722 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: be a little bit better out of the gate. Like 723 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: I just think about all these guys that have flopped recently. 724 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 4: A lot of them were underclassmen or you know, didn't 725 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: play a ton of foot like a mac Jones he 726 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 4: had one year as a starter, you know at Alabama, 727 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 4: Like maybe he just wasn't ready, you know, maybe he 728 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: just wasn't mature enough. 729 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah to do it. And on the flip side, 730 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: so what if he's twenty four. I mean, these guys 731 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: playing now to thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven, what 732 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: are we worried about anything beyond that. 733 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't it doesn't really overly concern me. 734 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it seems like it's like a 735 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 6: high class problem to worry about, Like, well, what if 736 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 6: he's great, We've only got nine years of him instead 737 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 6: of ten, so what Yeah? 738 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think quarterback is a position and I 739 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: made e been very happy after. 740 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 4: The show yesterday because this is grinding my gear. 741 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: I think a quarterback is a position that would that 742 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: would matter the least, And you could make an argument 743 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: it's better for the experience and the guy comes in 744 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: a little bit closer, And what's the difference if you, 745 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: like you said Fred, if the guy works out, you 746 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: got him for at least a decade. 747 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, how much more do you want? 748 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 6: And just a little more mature too, like to take 749 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 6: over the leadership of a team and a bunch of 750 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 6: you know NFL veteran guys. It's a tough place, tough 751 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 6: bunch of personalities to kind of command a presence. And 752 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 6: you know, a kid like Penix who's done it at 753 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 6: a couple of programs. I mean, he seems like he 754 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 6: can handle it. 755 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 4: That's that's what excites me, maybe the most about Penix. 756 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 4: Like obviously a lot of these guys have really good 757 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 4: physical tools. You know, they can all throw, they can 758 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: all move around like those types of things. But from 759 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: what you hear from Washington, like he's the alpha in 760 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 4: the room and there's a lot of really good players 761 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 4: on that Washington team. You know, it's not a doone's 762 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 4: a it's not you know, some of those other guys 763 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 4: that are going to be first round, top fifty prospects, 764 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 4: when it's Penix who's the leader of that Washington team, 765 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 4: And I think that's what you need at that position totally. 766 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: Do you think this is a year sticking to the 767 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: draft that misinformation will come into play even more, Like 768 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: you know, a team who really looking for a quarterback 769 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: kind of makes it known that they're looking at Harrison 770 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: to kind of force Chicago's hand, or you know. 771 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 6: I think it always happens to some degree, you know, 772 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 6: I mean I always think, like you to the combine 773 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 6: and the medicals is a big thing. So like you 774 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 6: could see with Pennix, you know somebody Tom Pellisero comes 775 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 6: teams were a little bit shaken by you know, when 776 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 6: they had their doctors check them out, like things like that. 777 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 6: They could be put out there to try to push 778 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 6: him down a little bit. But I think that stuff 779 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 6: happens every year. I don't know why this year would 780 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 6: be necessarily unique. 781 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: Smelled wrists small hand. I do wonder. 782 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: I do wonder about the Cardinals because they it's different regime, 783 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 4: but they've done this before where they say, oh that 784 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 4: you know Josh Rosen. 785 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: Is our guy, and then. 786 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't believe one hundred until they don't 787 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 4: turn in a card with a quarterback's name that the 788 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 4: Cardinals are all in on Kyler and not taking quarterback. 789 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: Is Caleb Williams not going to be the first overall pick. 790 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 4: I'd be shocked if he was, because you. 791 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: Know, I heard just today and one of Paul's show 792 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: another Caleb Williams story that uh, you know, his team 793 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: USC in their bowl game said now we're a team. 794 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: Now we're a team, and meaning that you know he's 795 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: not there he was, and that he had a birthday 796 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: party and nobody. 797 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 4: You didn't hear that. I did hear that. 798 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: I did. I heard that on one of Paul's shows. 799 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: That's that's it sounds like something Joe Murray would say. 800 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 4: I think it might have this was like Josh Rose 801 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 4: a lot of the same things coming out. He had 802 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 4: like a hot tub in his dorm room and like 803 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 4: stuff like that, and yeah, that was the book on 804 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: him and. 805 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 2: That spoiled rich. 806 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: What was the problem with Josh Rosen? He's sun thank you? Okay, Yeah, 807 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams doesn't stink. 808 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 6: All right, but he seems like a USC's going to 809 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 6: go down With Caleb william I just like, if you 810 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 6: want to give me everyone's saying this, it's good, it's 811 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 6: a good prospect to go. 812 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: First of all, not everybody's saying everybody saying he's gonna 813 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: be the number one overall. Pick no, I think like 814 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: that's what that's what people are saying. But what But 815 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: my point is, if you want to tell me that 816 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams doesn't do X, Y and Z, and for 817 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: that reason, I don't think he's going to pan out. 818 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: I'll listen to that all day. I am by as 819 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: far away from one of those experts as you can get. 820 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: I just don't want to hear he cried after they 821 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: lost the game, so he's emotionally on stage. 822 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: That leadership is any part of being a quarterback. 823 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you listen to and I can 824 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: give you a story that was written in the La 825 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: Times from late November. He is an exceptional leader and 826 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: considered to be a great teammate by his teammates. And 827 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: I can show you the old clip from a guy 828 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: if you want that. But again, if you want to 829 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: tell me he can't do things like, I'll listen to that. 830 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: Just don't tell me that he's not going to succeed 831 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: because he cried to his mother after a game. Yeah, Like, 832 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: that's not a valid reason to be down on a guy. 833 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 834 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 4: The only football reason to be down on Caleb Williams 835 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 4: is that he holds the ball forever. 836 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: And he's a little small, Yeah, And I think that's 837 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: that stuff to me that would cause me to take 838 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: a second look. 839 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not as small as like Bryce Young or 840 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 4: thirty six to one. Yeah, but I would just the 841 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 4: ball for a while. He plays the Mahomes style game, 842 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 4: and Mahomes translated for Mahomes. But is it going to 843 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: translate for the next guy? Is the big question? You know, 844 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 4: there's only one Steph Curry, right, Like, not everybody's going 845 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 4: to shoot threes like that. It's kind of the same 846 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 4: thing with Patrick Mahomes comparison with Caleb So is he 847 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 4: Is he good enough that he can run around, hold 848 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 4: the ball forever. A bunch of turnovers in college, bunch 849 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 4: of fumbles with strip. 850 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: Sacks that that would cos me pause. Yeah, like that. 851 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: That's an evaluation of his skill set and whether or 852 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: not it translates to the NFL. I think Patrick Mahomes 853 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: is a lot bigger than people think. 854 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: Oh he's a big guy. 855 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: So I think that when you run around and you 856 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: take some hits, you're able to withstand him. And I 857 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: think that's part of the Bryce Young issue right now, 858 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: is he's so small he can't play that way. Yeah, 859 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: he can't run around and take hits because he'll break. Yeah, 860 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: And I think that might be a concern with Caleb Williams. 861 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: And he's holding the ball so long, you know, and 862 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: now he's subjecting himself to hits. I don't think he's 863 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: got that frame necessarily to withstand. Yeah. 864 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 4: He's not an anticipatory thrower from the pocket, Like he's 865 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 4: not gonna sit there and see it happen before it 866 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 4: happens and make throws like that. He's the guy that's 867 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 4: gonna want to move around and is going to want 868 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 4: to create plays with his legs and extend plays and 869 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 4: things like that. If you like harness that and put 870 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 4: it in the right offense, like the Chiefs have done 871 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,959 Speaker 4: with Mahomes. It can be electric, but it could also 872 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 4: be he could be a fumble machine like he has 873 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 4: been at times at USC. 874 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 6: He seems to me kind of like a representative of 875 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 6: this new age of college player that is used to 876 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 6: He's got money, he's in advertisements, you know, like he is. 877 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 6: I mean, and of course Matt Lionert was the face 878 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 6: of their franchise, but it just seems even more so 879 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 6: to me with him, like he seems it's everywhere. I mean, 880 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 6: I'm seeing ads already on TV with him. 881 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: It's just it's interesting. 882 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 6: How those things are going to play out as this 883 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 6: as we continue to go down this road of athletes 884 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 6: who are coming into the NFL. They're used to being 885 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 6: the face of an organization, and you know, what, what 886 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 6: does it look like if it's not the same, Like 887 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 6: what if he goes to a small market team and 888 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 6: he's you know, not getting that kind of I'm gonna 889 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 6: sayttention necessarily, but he's just not the you know, the 890 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 6: same kind of juice that he had at at usc It's. 891 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: And I think it's just the start of it. 892 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 6: Really, I mean, this is going to be you know, 893 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 6: I mean there are other quarterbacks that have come out 894 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 6: that have been kind of this high profile. He feels 895 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 6: like he's already kind of made it, you know. 896 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 2: To me, I wonder, like, you know, it's back in 897 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: the day, but when Elway or Eli Manning famously refused 898 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: to go to the team that drafted them, Yeah, you 899 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 2: know when they got to their team, you know, did 900 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 2: people kind of look. 901 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: At them like, I just think I'll bet you they were. 902 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 903 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 6: I just wonder how much fire there is with that 904 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 6: smoke of his dad and you know, these like kind 905 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 6: of high maintenance those kind of things, like the true 906 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 6: smoke that can affect his play on the field there, 907 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 6: Like that's what smoke. 908 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: I think. I think Mike brings up a really good 909 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: point about it, because I do think that's where it's going, Like, 910 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: you're not going to get these guys that like and 911 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: I think that rubs a lot of people, like my 912 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: age the wrong way. And I think that's where you're 913 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: seeing some of the blowback. Is this the Heisman Trophy 914 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: winner he's on the Heisman comer, so he's still in college. 915 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: It's a different landscape and you and I don't have 916 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: to like it. I don't particularly like it, but that's 917 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: the way it is, and I think you have to accept. 918 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: I think all of these guys are going to come 919 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: out of school now with a degree of that, you know, 920 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: as they entered the league. 921 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 6: Right Well, I think that's a great point too, because 922 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 6: even though you don't see these guys a lot of 923 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 6: them now, they're not coming to the NFL because they 924 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 6: need money now, right Like a lot of guys would 925 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 6: come into the NFL completely motivated by I got to 926 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 6: buy my mom a house, you know, or those they 927 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 6: don't that there isn't as much. 928 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: Of that anymore. 929 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like it seems like guys are already, 930 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 6: you know, having these these sponsorship deals in there, you know. 931 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 6: I just I wonder overall, if you're going to get 932 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 6: as many hungry holy Cross and cost I'm sure they're 933 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 6: rolling in the Nile money at holy Cross Hockey, but. 934 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 4: Could have gotten like certificates like t Anthony's. 935 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: He's good. 936 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 4: It's a good litmus test of the league because I 937 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 4: think between Caleb's whatever you want to call it, attitude, personality, 938 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 4: And you know, a guy like Daniels's skill set like 939 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels. You know, Lamar Jackson went thirty second overall 940 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 4: in his draft just five years ago with a very 941 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 4: similar skill set as Jaden Daniels. So like, is it 942 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 4: have they changed that way too? 943 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 9: Like? 944 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 4: Have we changed in this in the sense that a 945 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 4: guy that's probably better as a runner than a thrower, 946 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 4: but he's dynamic at both, is that good enough now 947 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 4: to be a top ten pick or a top five 948 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 4: pick versus Lamar Jackson, who was a better prospect in 949 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 4: a lot of ways than Jaden Daniels couldn't barely made 950 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 4: it in the first round. Let it let alone a 951 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 4: top ten pick. 952 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 6: How do you feel like, outside of Lamar Jackson, the 953 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 6: recent sample size of guys that kind of fit Jaden Daniels' 954 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 6: profile of the success they've had in the league, Like, 955 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 6: what does that point towards? 956 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean I think him 957 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 4: like a guy like Justin Feels. I think is a 958 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 4: little different because Justin Fields didn't run a ton in 959 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 4: college because he was a pretty good thrower, but then 960 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 4: has had to run more in the league because he's 961 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 4: not advanced enough as a thrower to just be a 962 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 4: thrower like he was at Ohios. So I don't know 963 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 4: if there's a guy that I think Daniels is the 964 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 4: most dynamic runner that's come through the draft since Lamar, 965 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 4: and I don't know if there's another like great current 966 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 4: comp in the NFL. But if you're if you're a 967 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels person like that, and you are the team 968 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 4: that takes Jade and Daniels, I don't see how you 969 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 4: build an offense around him unless it's like Baltimore. It's 970 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 4: like it's gonna have to be like that for him 971 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 4: to You do think that, Yeah, I really do, Like 972 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 4: I think that, sure, you could run like a spread 973 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 4: and have him do it maybe a little bit less, 974 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 4: like you're not gonna be running like real quarterback runs 975 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 4: like Baltimore. 976 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 2: News a little better throw coming out of college than 977 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 2: Lamar was. 978 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 4: I've heard that. I always thought that Lamar was a 979 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 4: really good thrower and was kind of underrated as a 980 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 4: passer coming out of college. 981 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: A funny motion I think that threw a lot of 982 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: people out. 983 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, he had some mechanical issues that he had to 984 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 4: work on for sure, But in terms of like seeing 985 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 4: the field and processing and things like that, I think 986 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 4: kind of got a stereotype rap coming out. But maybe 987 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 4: that's changed now, Like Jayden Daniels, maybe they realize that 988 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 4: that was archaic and thinking that way and now it's different. 989 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think there were guys, but 990 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean I agree with the way Evan said that 991 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: no one really runs like Lamar, Like that's a different 992 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: level of like like Stroud, you know, is I think 993 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: he's a bit, you know, more of a passer than 994 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: a runner, but he can obviously, you know, extend plays 995 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: and make plays with his legs. So I think there 996 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: have been some guys that have had success doing it, 997 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, different ways. Josh Allen certainly, you know, is 998 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: that kind of a you know, he's he uses his 999 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: legs a lot, you know, And I don't think if 1000 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: he just if he just dropped back in the pocket 1001 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: and had to throw the ball thirty five times every 1002 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: game from between the tackles and did never run, I 1003 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: don't think you'd look at him the same way. 1004 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, he needs that other element, and I think that's 1005 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 4: what the Patriots defense did to him on Sunday was 1006 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 4: kind of made him sit there, hit the second and 1007 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 4: third read and rhythmim from the pocket and he's ruggle. 1008 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 4: So I actually am starting the more of Drake May 1009 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 4: that I've watched. I kind of see a little bit 1010 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 4: of Josh Allen in him the radio and left. Yeah, no, 1011 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 4: I think it's I. I originally had the Herbert comparison 1012 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 4: that everybody else has, but Herbert, I think is a 1013 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 4: little bit more under control with the way that he plays. 1014 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 4: I think Drake May's got a little bit of that 1015 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 4: Josh Allen. 1016 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 6: Him throw a lefty pass at one point too, like 1017 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 6: he's he's I mean, he's. 1018 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: Fun and if you like that kind of thing. 1019 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 2: Trevor from Kansas City. I'm so glad people have finally 1020 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 2: watched Michael Penix so they realized if he didn't have 1021 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 2: medical concerns, he'd be in discussion for the first overall pick. 1022 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 2: I'd still love to take him even top five if 1023 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 2: there's no long term structural damage. I think what I 1024 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 2: learned most from the mac experiment experiment isn't that you 1025 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 2: need to be a physical specimen to succeed, but you 1026 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 2: have to have mental toughness. There's no QB in this 1027 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 2: draft that has shown more mental toughness than Michael Pennock junior. 1028 00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 2: Go get him. 1029 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 4: That's a good I mean, it's a fair point. Like 1030 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 4: the guys come back from seventeen injuries and transfers and 1031 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 4: has that team. Like, let's see what he looks like 1032 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 4: against Michigan's defense, the best defense in college football. I 1033 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 4: kind of wish that they were playing Alabama just because 1034 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 4: then you could see him against Saban. But at the 1035 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 4: same time, like Michigan's defense is probably the best statistical 1036 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 4: defense in college football this year, So let's see how 1037 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 4: he looks. If he tears up Michigan's defense like the Texas, 1038 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 4: then then. 1039 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 6: He's going to fall in the hole between where the 1040 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 6: Patriots are and between the first and second pick. 1041 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: I agree in the mental toughness with penis well wholeheartedly, 1042 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: but I just have to be a little snarky. I 1043 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: just like to thank the readers for introducing us to 1044 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: the best players coming out of the draft. 1045 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 4: Every year. 1046 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 6: He came in, he was just like everyone watches Penix, 1047 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 6: and now everybody's someone got to watch Michael Penick like 1048 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 6: I did. 1049 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: Like I didn't see him play like ten games in 1050 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: Indiana like four years ago. Now I from, by the way, 1051 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: was the receiver that I was trying to. 1052 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 2: Ian from the UK wore. Drafting Penix in the second 1053 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 2: round be similar to drafting Gronk in terms of risk reward. 1054 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 2: I get Penis has more injury issues, way less of 1055 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 2: a risk, but is it a chance worth taking dependent 1056 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 2: depending on what we want to do with. 1057 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: Our Yeah, that would be way way less of a 1058 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: risk than Gronk. Gronk did not play his last year 1059 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: in college and a back injury too. There was a 1060 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 1: chance that he was not ever going to be able 1061 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: to be physically, you know, fit enough to play in 1062 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: the NFL. Plus he seems like a meet ball right, 1063 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: like he fell asleep in his visit. I mean there was. 1064 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 4: Meaning that he was that injured and then is the 1065 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 4: greatest tight end of all time? Like to go like 1066 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 4: like that? 1067 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: Just as easily could have been he went to training camp, 1068 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: blocked a guy, hurt his back and never played. Yeah, 1069 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: like that just as easily could have unfolded that way. 1070 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 4: Especially with how they protect quarterbacks in the league now too, 1071 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 4: Like I just Penix, his injuries are bad, but it's 1072 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,720 Speaker 4: been a couple of years since he's been hurt and 1073 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 4: he's been healthy at Washington, and you guys don't know. 1074 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: One of you two said it yesterday. That's going to 1075 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: be the big thing at the combine his medicals. And 1076 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think the previous emailer pointed out, like, 1077 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,359 Speaker 1: is it something that they think is structural And it's 1078 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: going to be more like because I don't know necessarily 1079 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: that you tear your acl and that means that you're 1080 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: more susceptible to do it again. Now it definitely strips 1081 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: you a little of your your burst and athleticism and 1082 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: all that, but that I don't know if that necessarily 1083 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: makes you a bigger injury risk moving forward. 1084 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, because at Indiana he was a runner. Look at Indiana, 1085 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 4: he could run around and he doesn't run as nearly 1086 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 4: as well now he can still move off his spot. 1087 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 4: He moves the pot, yeah, the pocket, Yeah, but he doesn't. 1088 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 4: He was he was a guy that would have added 1089 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 4: like design runs on top of what he was now 1090 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 4: at Indiana. 1091 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: But he's kind of a power runner and he too, 1092 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: They used to use him like t bow. 1093 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe he's gotten better as a passer because he's 1094 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 4: that way, and. 1095 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: That was the problem. Ye and he tore his a 1096 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: cl twice. 1097 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 2: AJ in the Bay Area. Does picking a quarterback in 1098 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 2: the top five and using one of the subsequent picks 1099 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 2: on tackle mean that you are doing nothing to protect 1100 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 2: the quarterback? There must be something I'm missing. Is tackle 1101 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 2: a position like quarterback that if you pick outside of 1102 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 2: the early first round you're hoping for good luck that 1103 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 2: they are suitable for a championship roster? Are there only 1104 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 2: ten left tackles in the NFL that enable you to 1105 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 2: be a Super Bowl contender? Kind of like there are 1106 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 2: only about ten quarterbacks. Just isolating the offensive side of 1107 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 2: the football and oversimplifying the formula to being a successful 1108 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 2: team in this league, you need a top eight quarterback, 1109 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 2: a top twenty wide receiver, and a solid old line. 1110 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 2: Doesn't that logic lend itself to getting a quarterback in 1111 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 2: the top of the draft and using the subsequent picks 1112 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 2: towards those other assets in the order of their importance 1113 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 2: to the formula of success. I agree tackle is more 1114 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 2: important than guard, but wouldn't using a first round pick 1115 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 2: when you don't have your quarterback be similar to the 1116 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 2: cold strange pick, where even if he ended up being 1117 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: the best tackle in the league, you could still be 1118 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 2: less than a playoff team. I don't even understand what 1119 00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 2: he's saying. 1120 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 4: I kind of understand it. I just I think the 1121 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 4: difference is is that the Patriots used to operate in 1122 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,320 Speaker 4: a world on offensive line where they could hand Dante 1123 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,280 Speaker 4: Scarnekia anybody and he would turn him into a starting 1124 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 4: caliber tackle, right. And now they don't operate in that 1125 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,720 Speaker 4: world anymore where they have the developmental ability at coaching. 1126 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,959 Speaker 4: They maybe they hire a new offensive line coach, maybe 1127 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 4: Adrian Clem ends up being better at his job than 1128 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 4: I think. But right now you have to hand whoever 1129 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 4: is going to be coaching that group a talented room, 1130 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 4: because I don't think that they're just going to tear 1131 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 4: turn you know whoever Sebastian Volmer in the second round 1132 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 4: from Houston and turn him into a starting right tackle 1133 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 4: for eight years, right like I don't. 1134 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: But you do not have to take a tackle in 1135 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: the top five to get a good tackle, well, number one, 1136 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: number two. There's a lot of teams that have success 1137 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,439 Speaker 1: with average to below average offensive line. 1138 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. The more important thing is how good does your 1139 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 2: or how high of draft picks does your roll on 1140 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 2: need to be to be a championship caliber team. 1141 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: No, And I'm not saying that if whatever the way 1142 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: this turned out, let's say it's disaster, okay, and they 1143 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,839 Speaker 1: beat the Jets and everybody else loses, and you drop 1144 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: to like. 1145 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 4: Six, I think it's five is the lowest thing. 1146 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So five and you know everybody's gone. The trades 1147 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: went up in front of you. You couldn't do it. Like, 1148 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you don't take Joe Aalt or Fishanu. 1149 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that you don't do that. But I 1150 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: do think in this draft, the way that they've talked 1151 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: about this, there are other tackles that will go in 1152 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: the top twenty. So I think you can get like 1153 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: the third or fourth tackle and they might all be 1154 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: the same. That's probably not going to happen. 1155 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 2: We all with quarterback, Yeah, it'd be better to invest 1156 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 2: in the best offensive line coach that you can find. 1157 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 4: Well that I mean, I think the offensive line coach 1158 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 4: is maybe the most important assistant coach you have on 1159 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 4: your entire staff. And like that that spot because you're 1160 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 4: coaching a bunch of guys, Like it's probably the biggest 1161 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 4: group of guys that you have to coach, and it's 1162 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 4: about getting all five guys to do it together at 1163 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,479 Speaker 4: the same time. 1164 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 2: Like that's a really hard and nobody else do. None 1165 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 2: of the other coaches want to deal with it, so 1166 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 2: you're kind of off on your own. 1167 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like one of those things too. And 1168 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 4: I think this was Matt Patricia's problem, where like if 1169 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 4: you weren't born in it, then you can't understand it, 1170 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 4: Like if you're if you weren't you know a guy 1171 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 4: like Dante Scarnekia who did it for so long, or 1172 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 4: an offensive lineman in the past or whatever, like it's 1173 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 4: so hard to learn the language. It's it's difficult if 1174 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,879 Speaker 4: you haven't really been in the trenches in that spot. 1175 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 6: I would just say, like put the name to the claim, 1176 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 6: like they have right now Vederian Lowe and Calvin Anderson 1177 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 6: as their tackles on the roster. 1178 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: So you know, if you want to tell. 1179 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 6: Me that Kennot's seventh tackle is going to be just fine, okay. 1180 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 6: But I also maybe would like to just say, hey, 1181 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 6: can we just get an absolute stud and make this 1182 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 6: guy a cornerstone of the franchise and then no matter 1183 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,320 Speaker 6: what quarterback we're gonna put in there is going to 1184 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 6: be very well protected. And you know this is not 1185 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 6: even on the field, but like a guy who's going 1186 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 6: to be a face of the franchise. Like I don't know, 1187 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 6: I just it's easy to say that, but like there's 1188 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 6: no good tackles and free agency, like you're you're kind 1189 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,359 Speaker 6: of screwed at the position this year, and that's what 1190 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 6: we say, Well, you're just gonna throw a second or 1191 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 6: third rounder in there and it'll be fine. Like that's 1192 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 6: a little concerning to me, especially if you're talking about 1193 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 6: a rookie quarterback getting in there and he's gonna get 1194 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,439 Speaker 6: his bell rung. 1195 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 4: That's a big problem is the free agent market is terrible. 1196 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 4: Like Trent Brown and Mike on Wino are two of 1197 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 4: the best free agent tackles are gonna be available, and 1198 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 4: that that's the two guys you have right now that 1199 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 4: you think aren't good enough. So the tackle class is 1200 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 4: pretty top heavy, but there are quite a few guys 1201 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 4: that are gonna go in the top fifty picks that 1202 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 4: people think can play. But then it just drops off completely. 1203 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 4: Whereas like wide receiver is really really deep. Yeah, like 1204 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 4: this is probably one of the best wide receiver classes 1205 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 4: we've seen in the last week. 1206 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 6: Like every year, I feel like, you know, there's always 1207 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 6: just a collection of guys over the first two days 1208 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 6: that you know we'll be able to make an impact. 1209 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: And that's I just feel like that. I mean, they 1210 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: absolutely need to draft tackles. I mean, I mean they 1211 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: should have last year. Really, that's I just feel like 1212 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,919 Speaker 1: we kind of loss. Like I think Evan's point about 1213 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: the way that the unit has been coached is big 1214 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: a part of the problem because I've seen them operate 1215 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 1: with average to below average players at these positions and 1216 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: it's been fine. Now, obviously Tom Brady helps that and 1217 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,759 Speaker 1: you don't have that, but I think that they've had 1218 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: problems with communication and with you know, sort of execution 1219 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: on simple stunts that happen all the time. 1220 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the communications poor. 1221 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: So I think that's partly at least on the coaching. 1222 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Rich in New York enjoying the show during 1223 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,399 Speaker 2: the workday as always, I agree with Evan from past 1224 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 2: shows who commented on the baggage about Caleb Williams with 1225 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 2: his father, et cetera. That couple with Caleb's poor play 1226 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 2: against good teams makes me skeptical about picking him so high. 1227 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 2: I think Jayden Daniels has the grit to be an 1228 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 2: NFL quarterback despite his frame not being as big as Lamar, etc. 1229 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 2: When Jaden transferred from Arizona State, his teammates made fun 1230 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 2: of him and trashed his locker. 1231 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 4: Was Washington, did you hear that they scored fifty? 1232 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean having a whisper. 1233 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 4: I think like he got killed against Notre Dame. Notre Dame, 1234 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 4: there's no doubt about that. Washington, pretty good. Yeah, I 1235 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 4: got in a shootout in that game. 1236 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 2: When Jaden transferred from Arizona State, his teammates made fun 1237 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 2: of him and trashed his locker. The video went viral online. 1238 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 2: He didn't run home to his mother crying. He bawled 1239 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 2: out at LSU and then won the Heisman separately, How 1240 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,640 Speaker 2: do you compare this situation? This this situation to the 1241 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 2: early nineties when the Patriots drafted Drew. Yes, I know 1242 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 2: they had the number one pick that year. 1243 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 4: How do you know Jaden Daniels didn't go home and 1244 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 4: cry to his mom Just because it wasn't he doesn't 1245 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 4: mean he didn't do it. 1246 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,919 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams ran hiding from Oklahoma and went to USC 1247 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: and what did he do? I'll fill it in. He 1248 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:50,720 Speaker 1: won the Heisman? 1249 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,800 Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, just. 1250 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: Again, if you don't want Caleb Williams or Drake may 1251 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: or Jayden whoever you picked, that's fine. I just please 1252 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,080 Speaker 1: don't give me that he cried to his mother as 1253 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 1: a reason why you don't want to take Caleb Williams. 1254 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: Tell me something football wise why you don't want to 1255 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,719 Speaker 1: take them. 1256 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 4: A little bit of a couple of news items here, Oh, 1257 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 4: not nothing major, but the Chiefs are saying that Patrick 1258 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 4: Mahomes is not playing in the game on Sunday against 1259 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 4: the Chargers, which matters because the Chargers are five and 1260 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 4: eleven and are right in the in the mix draft 1261 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 4: pick wise, so that that adds entry to that. And 1262 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 4: also Zach Wilson still not out of concussion protocol, so 1263 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 4: looking like Trevor Simes the Jets. 1264 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 2: I can ask a question though, Paul, like, did we 1265 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 2: play him when he was a Denver? 1266 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 4: We've played him before, I don't remember where it was. 1267 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 6: Just just regards with the crying, doesn't bother me. 1268 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 4: But if the father thing worries me, but it's not 1269 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 4: gonna lie about. 1270 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of performative and that and that would be 1271 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,879 Speaker 1: I don't cry. I don't care. But the performative names 1272 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 1: would agree with that that that's a little bit of 1273 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 1: a bug. 1274 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 2: To me, I think he's a little bit of a headcut. 1275 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,760 Speaker 1: It's fine if you think that's a bug. Like again, 1276 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with including all of this. 1277 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: Just don't tell me he stinks because of that. Oh yeah, 1278 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: which is what's happening, not to the people who matter, 1279 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: the people on the radio. They're saying this like he 1280 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,439 Speaker 1: cried to his mother. I'm out on him. 1281 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,720 Speaker 4: Like I've heard that like ten times by my boys 1282 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 4: on my show. 1283 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm out on him. 1284 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 4: He cried. 1285 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 6: It's okay, yeahs im as being rational about it, right, 1286 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 6: It's not the crying. It's just, you know, it felt 1287 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,760 Speaker 6: like I'm going to make this about me right now. 1288 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know. 1289 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 4: I just worry about him in this market. Like I 1290 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 4: don't worry about him in terms of his talent. I'm 1291 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,760 Speaker 4: kind of with Paul on this, like in terms of 1292 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,280 Speaker 4: all that type of stuff, But I just worry about 1293 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,720 Speaker 4: him in this market, like is he mentally tough enough 1294 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 4: to handle Boston? Because if he doesn't play well right 1295 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 4: out of the gate, or if he struggles like Mac 1296 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 4: did you know after a good rookie year, Like, I 1297 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,840 Speaker 4: don't know how Mac handled being in this environment. I 1298 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 4: don't know if it was the best for him. That 1299 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 4: every single person is shouting that he stinks. 1300 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: And that you know, Zappi's getting changed, right. 1301 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I don't know how all that stuff really. 1302 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: They lost that game fifty two to forty two. He 1303 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: doesn't play well against good teams. 1304 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 4: That was the game. 1305 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: That was the game, that was the Washington It was 1306 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,440 Speaker 1: against Washington, the best team that they played. 1307 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin and Scotland. Do you think we could get 1308 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,000 Speaker 2: Justin Fields for a third or fourth round pick and 1309 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 2: try and get Marvin Harrison Junior with our first pick? 1310 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 2: Or do you think Fields is a lost cause. 1311 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,759 Speaker 1: I think you get them maybe with a maybe with 1312 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: a third round pick, because I saw the follow up 1313 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: thing it said second and second or third, and I 1314 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,400 Speaker 1: got to think the Patriots being in the high second, 1315 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: they would be closer to third. Yeah, you know what 1316 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,959 Speaker 1: I mean. If if you think it's second to third, 1317 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: you're not going to get a high second for him. 1318 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be something in between. I feel skewed because. 1319 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,760 Speaker 6: We saw him play pretty well here against the Patriots 1320 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,640 Speaker 6: last year when when they you know, that was probably 1321 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 6: the worst, one of the worst losses of the season. 1322 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 6: I don't know, I can't I don't feel like I 1323 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 6: can speak really to like. He still has talent. I mean, 1324 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 6: you see what he does, but it just isn't consistent. 1325 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 6: And I think trying to predict whether someone will find 1326 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,439 Speaker 6: that consistency and be able to play game in game out, 1327 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 6: not making dumb mistakes, making good throws, you know, throwing 1328 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 6: it away when the like it's it's really hard to predict. 1329 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,120 Speaker 6: And I think that's exactly what Chicago's probably asking themselves 1330 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 6: right now. 1331 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,760 Speaker 1: But we kind of. 1332 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 6: Talked earlier like that, you've you've spent the pick on 1333 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 6: the guy, You've invested in him a little bit, maybe 1334 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,560 Speaker 6: fill a couple other needs, and then see what happens 1335 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,720 Speaker 6: with him this year, and if you got to go 1336 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 6: back to it, then then you've got some other pieces 1337 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 6: in place waiting for that guy. 1338 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not too interested in justin fields and I 1339 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 4: was a big fan of his coming out. 1340 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: That that would only be if if I can't get anybody. 1341 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't really see how that's a means 1342 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 4: to an end for the Patriots. Like, so you're gonna 1343 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 4: take another quarterback that that needs that's missing something. There's 1344 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 4: just something, you know, the consistency thing. I think is 1345 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 4: exactly it, Mike, that he's just not as a thrower. 1346 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 4: He's just not consistent enough to do it for four 1347 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 4: quarters every week can consistently be locked in and you're 1348 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,040 Speaker 4: gonna try to fix that problem. I just I don't 1349 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 4: see it. 1350 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,720 Speaker 6: I think I also think I've been a little bit 1351 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 6: I don't want to say broken by Cam Newton, but 1352 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,080 Speaker 6: like just that year of Cam Newton, Like, I just 1353 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 6: I have no desire for a retread quarterback. 1354 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: Like there's just a big part. 1355 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 6: Of me that would just say I'd rather get my 1356 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 6: butt kicked with Bailey Zappy and get you know, and get. 1357 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,439 Speaker 1: A first overall pick. 1358 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 6: Then you know, to bring in one of these guys 1359 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 6: who's been everywhere and you don't really have any hopes 1360 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,080 Speaker 6: of doing anything with them, but you need to put 1361 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 6: somebody in the position. 1362 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 1: And it can't be you know, Bailey's Appy again. 1363 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,480 Speaker 6: So I'm probably wrong, I know it, but I just 1364 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 6: am like I just I'm like, go back to your 1365 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 6: Stidham thing, like I just like, just play Steadham then, like, 1366 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 6: let let's just take our lumps and instead of trying to. 1367 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: Fake it with with a film I don't like, it 1368 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't be this would be a that would totally be 1369 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: a bridge guy, not not a fake it. We're not 1370 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: we're not like we're not taking a run like And 1371 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,400 Speaker 1: again I. 1372 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 4: Agree with you guys. 1373 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: If there's four or five quarterbacks that I would say, like, 1374 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't really like bo Nicks and JJ McCarthy, but 1375 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 1: you could sell me on the other the other four Williams, 1376 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: may Daniels and Pennix. You can sell me on those four. 1377 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean you can get them. It doesn't 1378 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: mean you guaranteed to get them. And if they don't, 1379 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't just want to run it back with Bailey's appy, 1380 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: like I want something to come in here. 1381 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 2: Now. 1382 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: Maybe you'd say, well, that's too expensive getting you know, 1383 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: justin Fields. You know, there's got to be this year's 1384 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: version of Baker Mayfield available or something like that. Mayfield, 1385 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I don't think he's going to be available. Yeah, 1386 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: especially if especially if they win Sunday. 1387 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe from Watkins Glenn Wright in Fred's talking about 1388 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen movie Draft Day, where the quarterback was 1389 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 2: supposed to go number one at a party and none 1390 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 2: of his teammates went to it and he ended up 1391 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 2: falling in the draft. I didn't say it. 1392 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 4: This is this is this is this is great. 1393 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,160 Speaker 2: Your guy said it. 1394 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,800 Speaker 1: We've had our listeners introduce us to Michael Pennix today. 1395 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: I've never seen him, never heard of them. And now 1396 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got I have heard this, 1397 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: but there's a movie called Draft Day where both hand 1398 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have anybody. 1399 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 4: That movie I won all my picks back, Like what, like, 1400 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 4: what do you what kind of realistic movie is? 1401 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,360 Speaker 1: It was completely unrealistic. 1402 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 2: That's the one with Kevin Costner, right, And oh yeah, 1403 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,440 Speaker 2: you didn't think that was realistic? It wasn't, But I 1404 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 2: thought it was an I was. 1405 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,240 Speaker 1: I found it very entertaining, not realistic in any way. 1406 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 2: I went in with very very low, low expectations and 1407 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is it. It's it's okay. 1408 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 1: You know what else? You know why they ended up 1409 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 1: picking the guy that they picked because he gave the 1410 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,240 Speaker 1: hundred dollars bill back, right. He was the only one. 1411 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,360 Speaker 1: He was the only one the only right. 1412 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 2: I know you like you're looking for realism, but if 1413 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 2: you were to make a movie about Draft Day the 1414 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 2: way it really is, it'd be boring as hell. 1415 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 4: That is true, I get I get that to an extent, 1416 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 4: but it's just like, can we have some sort of 1417 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 4: realism whatsoever? 1418 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Like it was pretty bad, he traded everything and then 1419 01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: just brought it all back. 1420 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,040 Speaker 4: Just that it does not work. 1421 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Evan's you're the extreme end of it. 1422 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 6: But like my wife, who is is the most casual 1423 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 6: of casual football fans, she enjoyed it too. I mean 1424 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 6: it puts it for people who aren't really like investing, 1425 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,920 Speaker 6: they understand at least the dynamics. 1426 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:11,680 Speaker 4: I agree with that. 1427 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,680 Speaker 6: I found it entertaining watch, but you know, it's like 1428 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 6: a it's like a you know, draft for dummies. 1429 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 4: Kin, I'll never get that. Two hours back. 1430 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,439 Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia. I think this is aimed at Evan. 1431 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,080 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but he says, since his play has 1432 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 2: been mediocre of late, or any of you considering removing 1433 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 2: the Josh Allen fathead from your bedroom wall? Oh, either 1434 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 2: Paul or Evan. 1435 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 1: That could be the one of us. I mean, Evan 1436 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: has more of a crush than I do. Yeah, I 1437 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,480 Speaker 1: do have I. 1438 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,280 Speaker 4: Do have a crush. I was disappointed I didn't get 1439 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 4: to see him after the game on Sunday. I remember me. Yeah, 1440 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,960 Speaker 4: look I I Barts was texting me all of the 1441 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 4: game on Sunday. Your boys stayings. He's awful. 1442 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,880 Speaker 1: This that the other thing like unbelievable. 1443 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 4: I would trade places with Buffalo and harp Beat right now, 1444 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 4: like if you were, and all of you would do 1445 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 4: the exact same. 1446 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: If they pants off, if you if there was a 1447 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: trade tomorrow that all these all of these guys on 1448 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: Twitter every week, Yeah, we'd have left to tell you 1449 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: every time he makes a mistake, would be pants. 1450 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,720 Speaker 2: Have an emergency podcast, that would be. But he didn't 1451 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 2: listen to ever. 1452 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,919 Speaker 4: Well, he didn't play well at all in the game. 1453 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 1: He was terrible. 1454 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,280 Speaker 4: He was terrible, and you still weren't even close to 1455 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 4: really winning the football game against them. 1456 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,480 Speaker 1: So do you guys think they're in trouble though? 1457 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 6: I mean, do you think that he's in trouble, that 1458 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 6: that the things are turning for him or do you 1459 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,480 Speaker 6: think that I mean, I just something feels trouble. 1460 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 4: Was forty two touchdowns? Then I'll sign up for that 1461 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,200 Speaker 4: trouble again. 1462 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,280 Speaker 6: But I mean, like, but as far as the team, like, 1463 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,440 Speaker 6: you know, it's just it seems like they you know. 1464 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 6: And I'm saying this because I I want Josh. I 1465 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 6: don't want him, but he deserves to be I think 1466 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:45,560 Speaker 6: they successful. 1467 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: I think they have some flaw. 1468 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 2: This is the thing. I was talking to a long 1469 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 2: time beat writer in Buffalo when I was up there, 1470 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,959 Speaker 2: and there's added pressure on the team right now because 1471 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 2: they're building this new stadium. The state or minutes of 1472 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 2: or whoever is going to pay for one and a 1473 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,960 Speaker 2: half billion of that stadium. 1474 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 1475 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 2: Anything over that the bills have to come up with, 1476 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,120 Speaker 2: and there's the minimum will be half a billion, you know. 1477 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,720 Speaker 2: And it's not like they have a big corporate base 1478 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 2: there and they're selling suites like in LA and everything. 1479 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,920 Speaker 1: So come to Buffalo. 1480 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 2: So this guy was saying, if for some reason they 1481 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 2: didn't get into the playoffs, it looks like now they might. 1482 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 2: But no, it's not definite. But we were talking before 1483 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 2: the game, you know, and he was saying, if there's 1484 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,520 Speaker 2: you know, some reason they don't get into the playoffs, 1485 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,800 Speaker 2: it's gonna be there's gonna be a. 1486 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Lot of people they have a very good chance to 1487 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 1: not go to the playoffs. 1488 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there's pressure on the team, pressure on 1489 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 2: the owner that trickles down to you know, ra and 1490 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 2: then to the players. I think had to get that. 1491 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,760 Speaker 4: I think his problem is so coach. There's so much 1492 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,920 Speaker 4: coaching though, because it's just the way he plays, and 1493 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,040 Speaker 4: Dable just seems like the only guy that could get 1494 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,480 Speaker 4: through to him to play under control and all these 1495 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,800 Speaker 4: other people can't do it. But at the same time, 1496 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:04,200 Speaker 4: he can beat you any given Sunday like Torment. Yeah. 1497 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,960 Speaker 1: What I think Dabel did was that Dabel found the 1498 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,720 Speaker 1: like the line like you can do this and you 1499 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,600 Speaker 1: can do that, but you have to do this than 1500 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: this too. Yeah, and where I think early in the 1501 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: year with Ken Dorsey it was like you can't run anymore, 1502 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: just you need to stop doing all that, stop being stupid, 1503 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: just stay in the pocket. And he can't play like that. Yeah. 1504 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,440 Speaker 1: And then now it's you know, the desperation sets in 1505 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,200 Speaker 1: and you they basically need to win all their games 1506 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. So every third down increases in importance, 1507 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,720 Speaker 1: and you see him make a decision like he did 1508 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,320 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter where he's a yard short and 1509 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,959 Speaker 1: he's trying to reach the ball out in the middle 1510 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,439 Speaker 1: of the field, right like you like most coaches would 1511 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 1: teach you don't do that on the goal line. That's 1512 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,840 Speaker 1: what he did it in the middle of the field 1513 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 1: with the ball extended. That fumble could have cost him 1514 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:51,439 Speaker 1: the game. 1515 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just it's so funny too, because all of 1516 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,280 Speaker 4: the advanced metrics still love the Bills offense, and they 1517 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 4: love Josh. 1518 01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,560 Speaker 1: Allen, like the Bills offense is not. 1519 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 4: When you watch it, it's such a different vibe than 1520 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 4: what if you just look at the spreadsheet right now 1521 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 4: at them, because they if you just looked at the 1522 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,200 Speaker 4: stats and all that, like he might be the MVP 1523 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,800 Speaker 4: of the league. But then you actually watch their offense 1524 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 4: and you're like, this is all over the place. 1525 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 6: And even if you look at the personnel on paper 1526 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 6: where it's like you got Digs, you got the number one, 1527 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 6: you got Gabe Davis, good deep threat. Shakier's kind of 1528 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,560 Speaker 6: emerging as a slot guy. You drafted these you know, 1529 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 6: the tight end who goes with Knox, who's been pretty 1530 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 6: good and given the Patriots problems is I guess I'm 1531 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,200 Speaker 6: just looking at it if I was you know, a 1532 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 6: Bills front office guy, what would I be looking at 1533 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,040 Speaker 6: this offseason, Like, what would I look to change to 1534 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 6: try to get him at that level where it felt 1535 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 6: like they were knocking on the day super Bowl. 1536 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: They need some consistency out of guys not named Digs. Yeah, 1537 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know, Like if that Shakiir, I 1538 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: think it's probably at this point we've seen enough of 1539 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 1: Gave Davis. It ain't him. 1540 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,200 Speaker 4: They want it to be like, yeah, yeah, I think 1541 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 4: he's fine, But I just don't think you get like 1542 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,160 Speaker 4: they needed another presence, yeah, like a dynamic player. 1543 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:57,280 Speaker 10: Right. 1544 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,400 Speaker 1: It's funny to say that he had a fifty one 1545 01:05:59,440 --> 01:05:59,959 Speaker 1: yard catch. 1546 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, kin Kaid's more explosive than I thought he was going. 1547 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,720 Speaker 4: I thought he was going to be that steady possession 1548 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 4: tight end or that, and I think that's what they 1549 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,680 Speaker 4: thought too. And as a rookie, he's been more the 1550 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,840 Speaker 4: fifty one yard catch guy than he has been you know, 1551 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,760 Speaker 4: just the and I think that that's almost been backwards 1552 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 4: for them in a way, like it just they have 1553 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,080 Speaker 4: been targeting him a lot on like just little passes 1554 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,880 Speaker 4: over the middle, like and just trying to get him 1555 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 4: to move the chains for them and I just don't 1556 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,320 Speaker 4: think it's out of that much consistency. 1557 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,120 Speaker 2: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world, 1558 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,120 Speaker 2: rites in about the movie Draft Dass. I remember taking 1559 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 2: a laminated copy of Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart to 1560 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,000 Speaker 2: the theater being very disappointed. 1561 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: Doesn't add up, doesn't add up. 1562 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 4: That was a shot at you asked, you know what. 1563 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 6: The perfect though, I think for the Bills is like 1564 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 6: that DeAndre Hopkins move. 1565 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:49,240 Speaker 2: You know where you. 1566 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,600 Speaker 6: Get that like a little older receiver still got some juice, 1567 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,120 Speaker 6: doesn't you know. Maybe he isn't going to be the 1568 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 6: huge contract, but you know, to be able to get 1569 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,640 Speaker 6: more of those point. 1570 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,480 Speaker 2: The thing with them is the reason why they made 1571 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator move is because they knew they had 1572 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,560 Speaker 2: the people to be better. We should be performing better 1573 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:08,160 Speaker 2: than we are. 1574 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but your point about Ora is actor. I do 1575 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: think there's like and I think he's unlike most. I 1576 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 1: think he's a pretty good coach. I don't know if 1577 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,520 Speaker 1: he gets tight in big games, and maybe that's you know, 1578 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 1: what happens, and that's a flaw obviously, but I do 1579 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,200 Speaker 1: think there's a staleness to it that, like. 1580 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,919 Speaker 4: You're good you're good. You're good. 1581 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,680 Speaker 1: We just can't seem to get past the AFC Championship. 1582 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: We can't get to the super Bowl. 1583 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,400 Speaker 4: And then maybe there's a little bit of a frustration 1584 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:35,840 Speaker 4: level come to that. 1585 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 2: He's Mark Jackson, Mark Jackson, I think of more NFL, 1586 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 2: but he's. 1587 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 4: Mark Jackson, like he's the Warriors Mark Jackson. 1588 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 2: Then Steve Kirk came in and they yeah. 1589 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I will say this about like I thought their defense 1590 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,040 Speaker 1: was completely done, Like when they lost all those guys 1591 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 1: and they would given up. They would given up a 1592 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,440 Speaker 1: lot of yards and a lot of points in some 1593 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,240 Speaker 1: of those games. And McDermott was under fire because remember 1594 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: he sort of won the power play with Leslie Frazier. 1595 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: They didn't like the way they were playing. He left. 1596 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to call the plays. They lose Milano, they 1597 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 1: lose White, they lose Jones, they lost a lot of players. 1598 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 4: Don Miller he's. 1599 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Been he's well, he hasn't really been a part of 1600 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,439 Speaker 1: the defense. I don't call him a loss because he 1601 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,760 Speaker 1: hasn't done anything for him. But they lost a lot 1602 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: of personnel and they didn't look like they had any 1603 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 1: answers on how to fix it. Now all of a 1604 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,639 Speaker 1: sudden the last month, the defense has played pretty well. 1605 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,599 Speaker 4: For Raszello Douglas really who just wanted to. 1606 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,040 Speaker 1: That was a big moved bean A lot of credit 1607 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,000 Speaker 1: Player of the Week Rasul Douglas. 1608 01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 4: That was a huge move for them defensively. And I 1609 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 4: wonder like if you gave because I think McDermott is probably, 1610 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,680 Speaker 4: like you kind of said, going stale, Like I think 1611 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,080 Speaker 4: that it's probably. 1612 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,240 Speaker 1: I just wonder just from a fight. 1613 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,479 Speaker 4: I don't know if Ben Johnson is their head coach 1614 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 4: next year and he gets like puts Josh Allen in 1615 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,000 Speaker 4: the Jared Goff offense and like kind of gets him 1616 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,120 Speaker 4: to harness it a little bit more Like I feel 1617 01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,479 Speaker 4: like those types of guys that are offensive minded would 1618 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,720 Speaker 4: have that ability to come in and and say, we're 1619 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,719 Speaker 4: going to put you in a system and it's gonna 1620 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,000 Speaker 4: produce the explosive plays for you. So you're not running 1621 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 4: around like you don't have to run, right, You. 1622 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,559 Speaker 2: Run when we want you to run. Yeah? Yeah. Barton 1623 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,840 Speaker 2: Poland says question mainly to Evan Shocker. Aren't you a 1624 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,320 Speaker 2: bit concerned that most of Pennox's production comes outside the numbers? 1625 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 2: He has horrendous numbers when throwing up the middle, and 1626 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,479 Speaker 2: NFL teams will exploit that. I'm still not sold. However, 1627 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 2: if he keeps a production against a very good Michigan defense, 1628 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:29,559 Speaker 2: then I may be swayed. 1629 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just if you're good, Like we could probably 1630 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,439 Speaker 4: say the same thing. The other guys are good throwing 1631 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 4: in the middle of the field and aren't good outside 1632 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,840 Speaker 4: the numbers. So you worried about it, you would you rather? 1633 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,680 Speaker 4: I would say middle of the field, not me. But 1634 01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,040 Speaker 4: I think that it if you're really really good at 1635 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 4: one thing, then I can build around that if it 1636 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:47,439 Speaker 4: doesn't really make it difference. 1637 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: And I don't know the numbers, so I'll trust it. 1638 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,479 Speaker 1: But I mean I saw an absolute seed that he 1639 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,960 Speaker 1: threw right down the middle for a touchdown touch on 1640 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,960 Speaker 1: like between the two. 1641 01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 6: I watched it like six times, Like how did that 1642 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,000 Speaker 6: even get through? Like, I mean, I'm sure that he 1643 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:02,719 Speaker 6: has the numbers. 1644 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have those kinds of numbers, can 1645 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,120 Speaker 1: I it's a scratch for a second. Sure he just 1646 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: brought up mac Jones. So there was a and and 1647 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if this was a lot of people. Yeah, 1648 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: I have an inch to scratch, and you know, that 1649 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 1: that's right, I have an inch, I'm itching. I'm scratching it. 1650 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:22,439 Speaker 4: What's wrong with that? 1651 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Can I scratch? Can I itch a scratch? Real quick? 1652 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:25,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1653 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: So, Bailey's Appy throws three picks. And there's been a 1654 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 1: lot of credit quote unquote given to the resilience of 1655 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,479 Speaker 1: the Patriots on Sunday, which I would agree with. I 1656 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,719 Speaker 1: don't think they didn't tucktail and go home and. 1657 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 4: Lose by thirty. 1658 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,040 Speaker 1: They kept fighting and got this, got themselves back in 1659 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,479 Speaker 1: the game, what you know. And then there was a 1660 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 1: line of thought and I heard it on my shows 1661 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 1: this morning driving in. Well that's the quarterback, you know, 1662 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,960 Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy, Like you know, he didn't he didn't let 1663 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 1: it get to him. He kept fighting, and that's what 1664 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,400 Speaker 1: they weren't getting in Mac and against New Orleans it 1665 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,680 Speaker 1: fell apart, you know. Once he threw a pick, it 1666 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,479 Speaker 1: was all over. He was a puddle. And I started thinking, 1667 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,080 Speaker 1: you guys, correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't go 1668 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,840 Speaker 1: back and look at that look this up. But like 1669 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking back to the opener where the first 1670 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,880 Speaker 1: drive of the season ends in a pick six, and 1671 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,800 Speaker 1: then the next drive, then the next drive ends up 1672 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,120 Speaker 1: with a fumble and all of a sudden, they're down 1673 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,560 Speaker 1: sixteen to nothing, and he responded with two of the 1674 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,240 Speaker 1: best drives he had all year. They didn't tucktail and 1675 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,599 Speaker 1: go home. 1676 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:28,760 Speaker 2: That was a long time ago. 1677 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,240 Speaker 4: No, But my point is it took some time for 1678 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 4: mac Jones to look like he did. 1679 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so we get a few more games like that 1680 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 1: from Bailey Zappi and then what happens. 1681 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's the same. 1682 01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,479 Speaker 1: Like I think Mac Jones didn't tucktail in the in 1683 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: the first game. He didn't do that in the second 1684 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,920 Speaker 1: game either, when Ta Mario Douglas fumbled and they never 1685 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: got to see the field again as an aside, and 1686 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: also threw a pick in the second half of that 1687 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,280 Speaker 1: game as they were trying to get back into the game. No, 1688 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,680 Speaker 1: they kept fighting to the last possession, and they gave 1689 01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: themselves a chance. I don't think they had it really 1690 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 1: a huge chance to win either game. But my point is, 1691 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,120 Speaker 1: why was that not resilient? Why is it only resilient 1692 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:07,280 Speaker 1: when Bailey's Appy does it? 1693 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:07,559 Speaker 3: Right? 1694 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I didn't really even look at it 1695 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:10,479 Speaker 1: that way. 1696 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,439 Speaker 6: I just I looked at it more as Bailey's Appy 1697 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,599 Speaker 6: just kept doing what Bailey's Appy does and it wasn't 1698 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,800 Speaker 6: really that remarkable or that inspired. It's just you know 1699 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,960 Speaker 6: they I mean, what more did they do? 1700 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,440 Speaker 4: And if you guys disagree, if I've created. 1701 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,040 Speaker 2: A straw man, there's less pressure on them too. 1702 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,720 Speaker 1: But if I've created a straw man and people don't 1703 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 1: look at it that way, but I heard that a lot. 1704 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean I do think the context of 1705 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:32,760 Speaker 6: the season and what's to play for in the first 1706 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 6: game of the season, and you know, not giving up, 1707 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,599 Speaker 6: you know, after the first two drives of the season 1708 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,240 Speaker 6: versus you know your team is already out and you're 1709 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,120 Speaker 6: four and eleven. 1710 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,400 Speaker 1: How many times have you heard how many more games 1711 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,840 Speaker 1: they would have won if they made this? Okay? Well, 1712 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,800 Speaker 1: can I can I just ask like, can you let 1713 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,160 Speaker 1: me know, did he play like he did in the 1714 01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,960 Speaker 1: first half against Pittsburgh against the Charge against the Giants, 1715 01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:55,559 Speaker 1: or did he play like he did in the first 1716 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 1: half against Buffalo against the Giants? Right? 1717 01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,479 Speaker 6: And that's and that's exactly Like like so much of 1718 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,519 Speaker 6: Zappi's game, you can draw complete parallels to what Mac 1719 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 6: did exactly the same. 1720 01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 4: It's basically the same Mac joneses. I mean bailey's Appi's 1721 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:13,000 Speaker 4: numbers as a starter are slightly better than Mac Jones', 1722 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,760 Speaker 4: only slightly. It's like one point two touchdowns to like 1723 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,559 Speaker 4: zero point nine. Like that's the difference. Yeah, Bailey Zappi's 1724 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 4: QBR is thirty eight, mac Jones is thirty six. 1725 01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:24,599 Speaker 2: Wow? 1726 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 4: Is that just as the highest? Is that just as 1727 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,880 Speaker 4: a starter? Just as the starter? Okay, yeah, because both terrible. 1728 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the rating is like eighty nine to seventy 1729 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:34,639 Speaker 1: eight or something like that. 1730 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,800 Speaker 4: It's it's not all that different. I think I wrote it. 1731 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 4: The only difference really is that they were eighty seven 1732 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,879 Speaker 4: to seventy seven. The big difference is obviously the big plays. 1733 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,840 Speaker 4: Like Bailey Zappy has produced more big plays down the field. 1734 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,880 Speaker 4: Now he's also had guys make catches for him, so 1735 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,439 Speaker 4: that that might be Like Jalen Rager drops the deep 1736 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,280 Speaker 4: ball against Washington, he caught. 1737 01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,599 Speaker 1: Caught the one on Sunday. That's what I was doing 1738 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,840 Speaker 1: my mic thing. It's like you think Mac just looks. 1739 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,599 Speaker 1: I say, some of them we get specialtys touchdowns. This 1740 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 1: jackass couldn't catch a cold. When I was throwing it 1741 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,160 Speaker 1: to Devonte Parker too. What was the Parker drop earlier 1742 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,559 Speaker 1: in the season with Mac and Raiders and Raiders get 1743 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,720 Speaker 1: the Raiders, and he was like five for five and 1744 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: contested catches in Denver. 1745 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,040 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, no help, Let's get to the a stick. 1746 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,600 Speaker 2: He had no high picked pats five hundred. Eldred's in 1747 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,040 Speaker 2: North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? 1748 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,719 Speaker 11: Hey, hey fellows all y'all doing good? Held I'm doing good, okay, 1749 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:37,519 Speaker 11: Paul Phoenix number outside downfield is eighty one in the 1750 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,559 Speaker 11: middle more like sixty and liberated in the mediate's fifty five. 1751 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,560 Speaker 11: Heard it when he played six, They said that dn. 1752 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,479 Speaker 1: You know, sounds like really good numbers to me. Sixty 1753 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,800 Speaker 1: sixty down the field. 1754 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,599 Speaker 11: And he can run down the field. 1755 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,280 Speaker 1: That sounds like a pretty good number to me. 1756 01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,280 Speaker 11: Yeah, eighty one percent, But sixty. 1757 01:14:59,280 --> 01:14:59,880 Speaker 2: He was a suck. 1758 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,559 Speaker 11: He was the sucking behind that he should have won 1759 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,400 Speaker 11: the high He did more than late than Daniels did, 1760 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,640 Speaker 11: got his team in the championship and everything. So, like 1761 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,599 Speaker 11: I said, like I keep killing my boy Evans, Evan, 1762 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,320 Speaker 11: I take him any day over with Drake May and 1763 01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,000 Speaker 11: Caleb Williams. Reason why May can't play that good against 1764 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,200 Speaker 11: a good team and he's not that accurate. You even 1765 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,479 Speaker 11: said it yourself. He's a model player. You got a groom. 1766 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,200 Speaker 11: Why you want to groom somebody when you got a 1767 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,720 Speaker 11: quarterback you can throw and run. I wouldn't groom him. 1768 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 11: And william he just came out and told you a 1769 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,280 Speaker 11: while back before the right drafts talking about draft off 1770 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,080 Speaker 11: New England Chicago. 1771 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,320 Speaker 4: He will not play for I completely dismiss any of that. 1772 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,160 Speaker 11: Yes, and that's why I said, why would you want somebody? 1773 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,000 Speaker 11: I just don't want to come to your bra. 1774 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,519 Speaker 1: You can't take Caleb Williams anyway, so it doesn't matter. 1775 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,599 Speaker 1: I think that The thing. 1776 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,760 Speaker 4: The thing is is that you know Pennix. You if 1777 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,040 Speaker 4: you stack Penix's film from this year up again, he 1778 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,400 Speaker 4: has better film than every everybody, Like he's had the 1779 01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,479 Speaker 4: best year out of anybody in the draft. But you're 1780 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,439 Speaker 4: not drafting based off of college production. Like that's how 1781 01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,000 Speaker 4: they got mac Jones, is they drafted a guy that 1782 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 4: had a high floor in there, you know in the 1783 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 4: draft world, like high floor prospect that had really good 1784 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,719 Speaker 4: numbers in college and got his team to a national 1785 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,120 Speaker 4: championship and all that kind of stuff. But you should 1786 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 4: be drafting the guy with the best physical tools the 1787 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,120 Speaker 4: best traits, and Drake May's traits are just better than Pennix's, 1788 01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,680 Speaker 4: but there's more seasoning that needs to be done. But 1789 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 4: that means he has a higher ceiling. So like you 1790 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,559 Speaker 4: can talk yourself into either direction. But I just think 1791 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 4: with Pennix, like comparing his film from this year to 1792 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,240 Speaker 4: Drake May as his apples to oranges because he's throwing 1793 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,840 Speaker 4: to Roma Dunz and Polk and Marshall who's going to 1794 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,800 Speaker 4: be a first round pick next year, and he's behind 1795 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,640 Speaker 4: an offensive line who's left tackle is going to be 1796 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,559 Speaker 4: a top fifty pick like, and then at UNC, Drake 1797 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,680 Speaker 4: May has tes Walker and that's like pretty much it, 1798 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,880 Speaker 4: you know, in terms of NFL talent on that roster around. 1799 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,160 Speaker 1: Him, and it isn't much of a runner by the way, 1800 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:02,720 Speaker 1: It's just not. 1801 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,960 Speaker 4: A fair comparison. Like if you put Drake May and 1802 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,519 Speaker 4: Washington's offense and you put Pennis in Washington's offense, Okay, 1803 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,760 Speaker 4: then we'll see who's a better player. But right now, 1804 01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,200 Speaker 4: the most the most rushing attempts he's had in the 1805 01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:17,920 Speaker 4: season was thirty five. Like that's not South India, No, 1806 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,000 Speaker 4: that was with Washington. 1807 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the last two years. He had thirty five runs 1808 01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,120 Speaker 1: last year and thirty two this year. Now that like, 1809 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you the yards because that 1810 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 1: in college they do it screwy and the sack total 1811 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,800 Speaker 1: counts as rushing for the quarterback. So like he had 1812 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 1: thirty two, he had thirty two carries for thirteen yards 1813 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: this year. But that's not indicative of when he runs. 1814 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: He lost a lot of sack yardage, right, Yeah, but 1815 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,759 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the attempts Like he's not you know, he's. 1816 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,360 Speaker 4: Much more of like a to like move, move off 1817 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,320 Speaker 4: the spot type of player. Yeah, and I think he 1818 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,719 Speaker 4: does move very well in the pocket. 1819 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd's in North Carolina. Hey Todd, Hey guys. 1820 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,240 Speaker 12: I remember at the start of the year, and I 1821 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,960 Speaker 12: think it was on I read it on Bleach. 1822 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,160 Speaker 10: Report back in the day. It was like last February, 1823 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,439 Speaker 10: Craft came out and said that there's going to be 1824 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,240 Speaker 10: changes and this team is going to come and I 1825 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,280 Speaker 10: think he was promising the season ticket holders and the 1826 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 10: fans in general that you know, we're going to do this. 1827 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,000 Speaker 10: How much of that will affect his final decision on 1828 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,519 Speaker 10: whether he keeps Spill or not, because I know you 1829 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,320 Speaker 10: guys are kind of some of you, not all of you, 1830 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,080 Speaker 10: but some of you waffled on whether Bill's going to 1831 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,839 Speaker 10: be back or nottff like that. So it's just curious 1832 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,840 Speaker 10: to think, if you know, will that project forward or 1833 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,640 Speaker 10: is this going to be just solely based on this 1834 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 10: you know right here and now? 1835 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,240 Speaker 2: Well, well, I think that. I think it's the same mindset. 1836 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,519 Speaker 2: We need to start winning, so, you know, whatever how 1837 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,400 Speaker 2: that manifests, whether it's Bill leaving or bringing in coaches 1838 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,240 Speaker 2: or spending money in free agency. I think there's a 1839 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,560 Speaker 2: sense of urgency with the craft. There's no doubt that 1840 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:48,639 Speaker 2: it hasn't gone away. 1841 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:49,599 Speaker 1: And that's set the president. 1842 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,400 Speaker 6: You know, like last year, it's like and that's why 1843 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,040 Speaker 6: we're talking about next week. It's like something has to 1844 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,080 Speaker 6: happen next week. If it's not, you know, a change 1845 01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 6: a head coach, it's another one of those messages of 1846 01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:59,600 Speaker 6: you know, if they were to. 1847 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,559 Speaker 1: Keep BI, I think what they're willing and why they 1848 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,080 Speaker 1: would have to explain it. I think because you know 1849 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,080 Speaker 1: that's what they've established already. 1850 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:15,200 Speaker 2: Ye let's go to SPI and Fresnow what's up, speed spear? 1851 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, last day that you can say, happy new year 1852 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:19,040 Speaker 4: about that. 1853 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,960 Speaker 13: I'm sorry, thanks for letting me know the cap, No cap, 1854 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,400 Speaker 13: I had a have a question regarding the excuse me, 1855 01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 13: the mechanics of I guess what can happen with Bill? 1856 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,600 Speaker 13: And if Kraft finds willing trade partner, but say, like 1857 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:41,240 Speaker 13: Bill doesn't want to go there because let's hypothetically, maybe 1858 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,720 Speaker 13: it's the Lions or something. Because I assume that in 1859 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,320 Speaker 13: Bill's contract he has some right to refuse a trade. 1860 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,320 Speaker 13: So if he did, how like, how does that work? 1861 01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,840 Speaker 12: Would he have to retire in order to get out of. 1862 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,640 Speaker 13: A trade arrangement or like that? 1863 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,080 Speaker 8: Craft? 1864 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:54,720 Speaker 13: Would that take? 1865 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:55,719 Speaker 2: Like craft? 1866 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,960 Speaker 13: He wouldn't have to pay Bill's salary if still retired 1867 01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:58,200 Speaker 13: like that? 1868 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,280 Speaker 2: Then it gets messy. It gets messy because no matter what, 1869 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,800 Speaker 2: even if he retires, the Patriots would still have his rights. 1870 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,080 Speaker 2: So if he once he retires, pay his salary? 1871 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:10,320 Speaker 3: What? 1872 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,479 Speaker 2: No, if he retires, they don't have to pay his salary? 1873 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:14,840 Speaker 2: What's that? 1874 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,000 Speaker 13: I'm sorry? Would they have to pay his I think 1875 01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,120 Speaker 13: it's twenty five million right that they'd o Bill on 1876 01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,800 Speaker 13: his salary? So would they still have to pay that 1877 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,400 Speaker 13: if Bill retired to get out of a trade. 1878 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 2: No, if he retired I don't think you have to 1879 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,400 Speaker 2: if you fire him, you do. 1880 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:27,400 Speaker 4: Can I ask a question? 1881 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't. I don't have the answer to this. 1882 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,720 Speaker 1: That'd be a bad lawyer. Are you allowed to trade 1883 01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:33,880 Speaker 1: a coach if he doesn't want to go? 1884 01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:34,280 Speaker 3: No? 1885 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,280 Speaker 2: No, I mean you can't force a guy to go somewhere. 1886 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,479 Speaker 1: But like I'm saying, like a player, you could force 1887 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,360 Speaker 1: a player. You can just trade him, right, and if 1888 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,720 Speaker 1: he doesn't go, he doesn't go, like you, he's cut 1889 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,120 Speaker 1: or whatever, there's a resolution. I don't think you can 1890 01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,479 Speaker 1: just trade a coach. I don't either, unless the coach 1891 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,360 Speaker 1: wants to go somewhere else, right exactly. 1892 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,519 Speaker 13: That's confusing. And he's the GM too, so it makes 1893 01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:57,559 Speaker 13: more confuted. 1894 01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I just don't think that Robert can 1895 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:00,760 Speaker 1: go to a bill and say, oh, by the way, 1896 01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,200 Speaker 1: we've traded you to Detroit, right, I don't think you 1897 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:05,280 Speaker 1: can do They can't do that. 1898 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,160 Speaker 4: So what happens then he he's interested in going to 1899 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,320 Speaker 4: coach somebody else, like say Dallas or a Chargers, and 1900 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,439 Speaker 4: then they go and they work out some kind of 1901 01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:18,360 Speaker 4: a compensation deal. 1902 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,800 Speaker 1: We'll let him go. Yeah, we'll let him go. You 1903 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,599 Speaker 1: we know you want him to be your coach, Slade 1904 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,479 Speaker 1: us a second round pick and we'll call it a day. 1905 01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how refuses with a cowboy. Well, he'd 1906 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,320 Speaker 1: be part of it, though, well, I mean I think 1907 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:33,840 Speaker 1: they're all part of it, you know, like they're all 1908 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,559 Speaker 1: negotiating that deal. Don't you want that it's not Robert 1909 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and just you know, Jerry Jones. 1910 01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,240 Speaker 4: That would be ideal, you get. 1911 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have any concerns or worries, you'd say, well, 1912 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,400 Speaker 1: we feel better about it if he was in the 1913 01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,840 Speaker 1: other conference, that would be ideal. 1914 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,040 Speaker 2: The fact that we haven't heard more of this because 1915 01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:55,519 Speaker 2: every time, pretty much every time a team fires a coach, 1916 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,559 Speaker 2: there's time left on the contract and they have to pay. 1917 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,640 Speaker 2: This is true, they have to pay it. And the 1918 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,080 Speaker 2: fact that we haven't heard more of this type of 1919 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,680 Speaker 2: stuff means that it doesn't happen a lot, you know 1920 01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,960 Speaker 2: what I mean? You know, you know what I mean, 1921 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,120 Speaker 2: where the team doesn't want the coach, they fire him 1922 01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,599 Speaker 2: and then they get compensation from another team. 1923 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,880 Speaker 1: When there's a trade involving a coach, it's usually and 1924 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,880 Speaker 1: I think probably one hundred percent, the coach wants to 1925 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,400 Speaker 1: go somewhere else, right, Yeah, and says I'm not coming 1926 01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,600 Speaker 1: back here. Oh you're not coming back here? Okay, well 1927 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,960 Speaker 1: you're still under contract for us. Oh, but I want 1928 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,599 Speaker 1: to go to Sean Payton. 1929 01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,719 Speaker 2: More like Bill Belichick from the Jets to here. 1930 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,640 Speaker 1: In gruten going from Tampa to the Raiders. Yeah, I 1931 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,519 Speaker 1: just think I mean the Raiders. The example from some 1932 01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,760 Speaker 1: people like the deeper question. 1933 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,840 Speaker 13: I was trying, I'm trying to figure out who has more. 1934 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Power in the situation, and you're making BILLI Yes, I 1935 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,439 Speaker 1: think Bill has more power because of the money. 1936 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1937 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,839 Speaker 6: I also think we don't know what's in his contract, 1938 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,360 Speaker 6: And I mean Fred mentioned what was in the parcels contract, 1939 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,640 Speaker 6: and there's you know, probably stipulations in there that might 1940 01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,240 Speaker 6: cover this kind of stuff that we don't. 1941 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,360 Speaker 1: The only thing, the money is the is the issue. 1942 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,559 Speaker 1: And I believe the report that says that he's under 1943 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,360 Speaker 1: contract for twenty four so that to me gives Bill 1944 01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,000 Speaker 1: the leverage no matter what the contract. 1945 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,200 Speaker 4: I think Bill has all the leverage because he's it's 1946 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,559 Speaker 4: it's his. He's the guy, like he's the commodity, right, 1947 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,240 Speaker 4: And in this case, it's not like a player where 1948 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,639 Speaker 4: the league is in control of the player. The team 1949 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,160 Speaker 4: is in control of the player. Bill could retire, Bill 1950 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,960 Speaker 4: could go into TV, he could coach someplace else next year, 1951 01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,280 Speaker 4: and the Patriots would have to facilitate it pretty much. 1952 01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,800 Speaker 2: And there's no CBA for coaches, you know. CBA only 1953 01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:38,240 Speaker 2: applies to players. They've tried to create a coaches association, 1954 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,080 Speaker 2: you know, a formal coaches association with their own thing, 1955 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,000 Speaker 2: but I don't think they've ever been able to do that. 1956 01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,320 Speaker 4: He certainly wouldn't be a part of it if they did. 1957 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1958 01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a guy that used to be here 1959 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,000 Speaker 4: that headed that up. I forget his name. 1960 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,160 Speaker 13: Now, one more question on this line. So, like, let's 1961 01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,519 Speaker 13: just say hypothetically Craft is only able to find the 1962 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,160 Speaker 13: Lions as a willing trade partner. Bill doesn't want to 1963 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,960 Speaker 13: do that, and Bill doesn't want to retire. 1964 01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,240 Speaker 2: What does he just sit for the year and they 1965 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,439 Speaker 2: have to fire him. That's that's the Patriots have to 1966 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,320 Speaker 2: fire him, and they have to pay him, right. 1967 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,559 Speaker 4: That's that's why Bill has the leverage in this situation, 1968 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,360 Speaker 4: is because that exact scenario. 1969 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:17,200 Speaker 2: Now now during that time, now, once they fire him 1970 01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,080 Speaker 2: and and he's still under content, they're still paying him. 1971 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,040 Speaker 2: I think they still have his rights for that year 1972 01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,840 Speaker 2: while they're paying So then like you know, if you 1973 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,639 Speaker 2: wanted to go to another team, I think the Patriots 1974 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,640 Speaker 2: could then ask for compensation so. 1975 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,439 Speaker 4: They fire him. No, I don't think so, right, well. 1976 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,680 Speaker 2: They if they fire him, they still have to pay him. 1977 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think that that means that they 1978 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,360 Speaker 4: have control over him. 1979 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,479 Speaker 1: They maybe if they fire him, they lose control of him, 1980 01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:41,479 Speaker 1: but they would have to pay him. 1981 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's why. 1982 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,200 Speaker 4: That's why, like you know, that's why the Patriots bring 1983 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,479 Speaker 4: back Joe Judge, Matt Patricia are those guys because they're 1984 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:49,759 Speaker 4: still getting paid by everybody. 1985 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,800 Speaker 2: But if he goes to Dallas, let's say, yeah, they 1986 01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,320 Speaker 2: don't have to pay him anymore Dallas. No, Patriots don't 1987 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:57,880 Speaker 2: have to pay him. 1988 01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:03,240 Speaker 4: No, no, if he goes to do if they fire him, 1989 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,320 Speaker 4: if they fire him, would yeah, if they fire him 1990 01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,519 Speaker 4: and he goes to Dallas, they still have to pay him. 1991 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:09,959 Speaker 4: That's that's Matt Patricia. 1992 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,160 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no, because Matt Patricia 1993 01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,479 Speaker 2: didn't take the same job if if Bill Belichick left 1994 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:16,520 Speaker 2: was fired. 1995 01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,320 Speaker 1: They would probably be offset language right. 1996 01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,080 Speaker 2: Potentially if he if yeah, if he was fired here 1997 01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,000 Speaker 2: Patriots are playing him, but then he takes a job 1998 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,880 Speaker 2: with Dallas. Whatever Dallas is paying him comes off of 1999 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,200 Speaker 2: what the Patriots are paying him. 2000 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,800 Speaker 4: I believe that would be the case, right, But I 2001 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,400 Speaker 4: and they can you know, to Dallas. Like so this 2002 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,880 Speaker 4: is like, you know a lot of people say, Jerry 2003 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,160 Speaker 4: Jones doesn't pay can't They wouldn't be able to do that. 2004 01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 4: Jerry Jones doesn't pay coaches. The Chargers don't pay coaches. No, no, no, no, 2005 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 4: But this is how those teams might be able to 2006 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:46,120 Speaker 4: do it. 2007 01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. But see when like guys like Floyd Reese or 2008 01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,679 Speaker 2: you know, Dean uh not Dan Pece, but dom Capers 2009 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,479 Speaker 2: came here, they were on contracts. We hire them at 2010 01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,800 Speaker 2: a different position, and we don't give him a title. 2011 01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,679 Speaker 2: We don't. But if the Dallas tried to get away 2012 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,559 Speaker 2: with that and say, oh, we're just gonna name him 2013 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,040 Speaker 2: you know there, the Patriots would then go to the 2014 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,000 Speaker 2: league and the league would have to get involved because 2015 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,600 Speaker 2: you know, they're not gonna the Patriots aren't gonna let 2016 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,639 Speaker 2: a team get away with saying, oh, we're paying him 2017 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,840 Speaker 2: a million bucks and you're still on the hook for 2018 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,000 Speaker 2: twenty four million but they could pay him ten Yeah, 2019 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,320 Speaker 2: I think I think even then the Patriots would think, I. 2020 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,080 Speaker 4: Mean, you can file a complaint, but what is their grounds? 2021 01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,240 Speaker 4: They do the same thing all the. 2022 01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,120 Speaker 2: Time because the league, the league would intercede, they would 2023 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:34,280 Speaker 2: mediate that. 2024 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,080 Speaker 4: I think it's difficult about it too, is that he's 2025 01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,680 Speaker 4: technically getting paid for two jobs with the Patriots. Right, 2026 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,000 Speaker 4: So a team like Dallas could argue, well, we're just 2027 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,360 Speaker 4: paying him as the head coach because Jerry's the GM 2028 01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,760 Speaker 4: and so we're not. He's not running personnel here like 2029 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:50,679 Speaker 4: he did in New England. 2030 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I could do that. 2031 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the other complicated thing. But I think that 2032 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,519 Speaker 4: people that talk about it and say, well, the Chargers 2033 01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,800 Speaker 4: and the Cowboys don't pay coaches, well, what if they 2034 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,280 Speaker 4: don't have to pay him his full boat? 2035 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:01,519 Speaker 3: Like? 2036 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,800 Speaker 4: What if the Patriots are still on the hook for 2037 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,200 Speaker 4: paying it? 2038 01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:09,840 Speaker 6: Thanks to me, congratulations to Brock Purty, the leading vote 2039 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,080 Speaker 6: getter for the Pro Bowl Games. 2040 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:17,280 Speaker 2: Wow, Chris is in Maine? What's up, Chris? What happened 2041 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:17,840 Speaker 2: to Chick fil A? 2042 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,360 Speaker 4: We gotta take a break. 2043 01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:19,960 Speaker 1: I gotta go get it. 2044 01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:20,439 Speaker 4: You forget? 2045 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,720 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? You mean to tell me if 2046 01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,400 Speaker 2: I said, we're gonna take a break. You could have 2047 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:30,519 Speaker 2: gone and got it. We'll take areak, We'll take a break, Chris, 2048 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you one. 2049 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:32,400 Speaker 1: Take a break. 2050 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:34,439 Speaker 4: Wait till he gets back. 2051 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,479 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Alright, go ahead, Chris, go ahead. 2052 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,000 Speaker 1: I just get one from Matt too. Yeah. 2053 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,639 Speaker 12: I'm going to the game getting tickets for the game 2054 01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:46,200 Speaker 12: on Sunday, and it's the first time I've been able 2055 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,960 Speaker 12: to get him for giel Atte. And I was wondering 2056 01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:54,479 Speaker 12: with the parking situation. I've been to the Jets stadium 2057 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,360 Speaker 12: before parking passes. Is that the case for for Gilt. 2058 01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:03,960 Speaker 2: Only for certain Uh? So you can find parking across 2059 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,400 Speaker 2: the street or at different lots, so you shouldn't have 2060 01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:07,920 Speaker 2: a problem. 2061 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,200 Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, okay, all right. 2062 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:11,880 Speaker 2: Is that it, Chris? 2063 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 2064 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,800 Speaker 12: Yeah, And I just want to say listening to you 2065 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,280 Speaker 12: for years and this is awesome. 2066 01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. Drive, drive safe, leave early, or come the night 2067 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,760 Speaker 2: before and stayed out nearby hotel. Okay, all right, good, 2068 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:29,439 Speaker 2: all right, Chris, have a good. 2069 01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,360 Speaker 4: Thanks, Chris, have a good time, Chris. 2070 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2071 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,240 Speaker 1: The coaching stuff I do find interesting, like all the 2072 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,639 Speaker 1: different ramifications. I just think that they would be best 2073 01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,040 Speaker 1: for all concerned to just forget about all. I know 2074 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,519 Speaker 1: it's easy for me. It's easy because it's not my money. 2075 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,000 Speaker 1: But I think it would just you know, step aside 2076 01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,680 Speaker 1: and say, right, thank you, thank you. What we did 2077 01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,880 Speaker 1: was unprecedented. Let's just agree to move on and you know, you. 2078 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,880 Speaker 2: Do what you want to do and good luck. But 2079 01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying, though, I do. I do 2080 01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:01,080 Speaker 2: get what you every time, every time a team, every time, no, 2081 01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,720 Speaker 2: every time it's fires a coach, there's usually time left 2082 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,160 Speaker 2: on their contract that they're paying them. The fact that 2083 01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,040 Speaker 2: we don't hear a lot more stuff like this tells 2084 01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,800 Speaker 2: me that it just doesn't happen. 2085 01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:13,360 Speaker 14: You know. 2086 01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:16,200 Speaker 4: What doesn't happen. 2087 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,240 Speaker 2: And usually for most. 2088 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:24,360 Speaker 1: Guys that get fired or like either damaged commodities or 2089 01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:29,479 Speaker 1: unwanted altogether, like BILLI the greatest coach has ever coached, 2090 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: And if they decide to move on, he'll be different 2091 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,080 Speaker 1: than you know that there's an idea that people will 2092 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:39,320 Speaker 1: want him. Funny because who's who's knocking down Josh mcdaniels's door. 2093 01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,920 Speaker 2: Well, like Pete Carroll went to USC right away, right 2094 01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:44,760 Speaker 2: or did he take a. 2095 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,720 Speaker 4: Year after the Patriots? 2096 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:48,880 Speaker 14: No? 2097 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:50,439 Speaker 1: I don't think he went right to you. I think 2098 01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,800 Speaker 1: he was the defensive coordinator in San Francisco. 2099 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:54,560 Speaker 2: That's where he was. 2100 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I forget all right, do 2101 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,400 Speaker 1: you have that? It was a way I could look 2102 01:29:59,439 --> 01:29:59,720 Speaker 1: at him. 2103 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,200 Speaker 2: Well, how many Like the question is how many head 2104 01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,280 Speaker 2: coaches got fired and immediately took another head coaching job. 2105 01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,240 Speaker 1: Oh, this is probably a fair amount of Bo's. So 2106 01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,599 Speaker 1: he took a year off. I believe Andy Reid did 2107 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,439 Speaker 1: that from Philadelphia to Kansas City? 2108 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,280 Speaker 2: So, like, what what happened there? What transpired there? 2109 01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:16,760 Speaker 4: You know, the Eagles fired him? 2110 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,840 Speaker 2: No, I know, but Eagles fired him. But did you 2111 01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,800 Speaker 2: know the Eagles still have to keep paying him while 2112 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,040 Speaker 2: he was at Kansas City? How did that? 2113 01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. 2114 01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,760 Speaker 4: But it's funny because like Bill is like simultaneously, you know, 2115 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,240 Speaker 4: a lot of people in not us necessarily, but a 2116 01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,200 Speaker 4: lot of people are running him out of town here. 2117 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,800 Speaker 4: And then he's also like number one on everybody's like 2118 01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,400 Speaker 4: coaching candidates lists. 2119 01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,559 Speaker 1: You know, Like I'm consistent, I'm not sure that it's 2120 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,920 Speaker 1: a huge market for him, and I'm i am kind 2121 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,120 Speaker 1: of sort of ready for the end here, But I 2122 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,120 Speaker 1: wonder how much of that is Bill, Like, I don't 2123 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,120 Speaker 1: think we talk about that, you know, and I don't know, 2124 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,400 Speaker 1: but I think that there's all Do you think Bill 2125 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,320 Speaker 1: really really wants to be back here after going through 2126 01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:56,640 Speaker 1: all of this? 2127 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:56,920 Speaker 2: Right? 2128 01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:57,639 Speaker 4: Maybe he doesn't. 2129 01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:58,840 Speaker 2: He maybe he wants out. 2130 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,880 Speaker 4: To I think there's a lot of the national media 2131 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,360 Speaker 4: not to pick on them, that aren't here every single day, 2132 01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,040 Speaker 4: that haven't seen it a road the way that we have, 2133 01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:12,240 Speaker 4: that aren't aware of the missteps by by Bill to 2134 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,640 Speaker 4: get to this point with the Patriots. I think a 2135 01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,640 Speaker 4: lot of people look from the outside end and just 2136 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,240 Speaker 4: say it was one bad year, you know, and now 2137 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,439 Speaker 4: they're running the guy out of town, and they didn't 2138 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,640 Speaker 4: they haven't watched it kind of fall apart like we 2139 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,800 Speaker 4: all have. So his stock in terms of that, I 2140 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,200 Speaker 4: don't think is it taking that big of a hit 2141 01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,320 Speaker 4: because I think people are just looking at it like, well, 2142 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,760 Speaker 4: Mac Jones just stinks and they have no quarterback and 2143 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:35,960 Speaker 4: he had one bad season. 2144 01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:37,679 Speaker 2: I'm really upset with Deuce. 2145 01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,000 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, me too. 2146 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,479 Speaker 2: I mean he knows that you don't get right away. 2147 01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,280 Speaker 2: There's a risk that they run out. 2148 01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,160 Speaker 4: There's a good show, you know, he's coming back with no. 2149 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,120 Speaker 2: They were giving it out at twelve thirty and here 2150 01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:49,719 Speaker 2: it is one thirty and he hasn't gone. 2151 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,080 Speaker 1: You know what's coming back with cold? Well, it's one. 2152 01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:57,840 Speaker 4: It's it can't possibly not be cold, right, like thinking, yeah, 2153 01:31:58,280 --> 01:31:59,719 Speaker 4: that's that's what happens. 2154 01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,320 Speaker 1: I put him in charge of launch on one day. 2155 01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:01,960 Speaker 2: That's an error. 2156 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,400 Speaker 1: So I will say, like just to to take the 2157 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,200 Speaker 1: national thing a step further, like you asked earlier when 2158 01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,719 Speaker 1: Evan came back from practice, you know, any national guys 2159 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,760 Speaker 1: around and like, no, I'm not surprised because according to 2160 01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,680 Speaker 1: the national people, there's nothing to see here, Like it's 2161 01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,720 Speaker 1: ridiculous that you're even talking about this not I mean, 2162 01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,719 Speaker 1: how many times have we gotten finger wagged by someone 2163 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,560 Speaker 1: in the national media because we're talking about the possibility 2164 01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,160 Speaker 1: that built might not I mean, even in all these 2165 01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:33,200 Speaker 1: ev Ian Rappaport reports, he's saying, like, you know, somehow, 2166 01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,880 Speaker 1: like there's always some kind of language, you know. Incredibly, 2167 01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:41,280 Speaker 1: despite despite all his success, like to Evan's point, people 2168 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,800 Speaker 1: just haven't been watching. And it goes back to the 2169 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,599 Speaker 1: end of Brady too, like it's remarkable that they won 2170 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl the last time and then it's remarkable 2171 01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,000 Speaker 1: that they won twelve games the following year because the 2172 01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,240 Speaker 1: roster erosion started long before this. 2173 01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:03,320 Speaker 4: People really don't miss to that as well. That offensively, 2174 01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:07,200 Speaker 4: at least Brady, Gronkowski and Edelman carried them to one 2175 01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,240 Speaker 4: more Super Bowl and mostly Brady of course. And then 2176 01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,439 Speaker 4: but that roster during the year, remember when they lost 2177 01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,280 Speaker 4: those back to back games against Pittsburgh and Miami. We 2178 01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,960 Speaker 4: thought it was over then, like not necessarily Bill fired, 2179 01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,479 Speaker 4: but like just the dynasty in the run was maybe 2180 01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,519 Speaker 4: over then after the Miami miracle and everything. Oh god, 2181 01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,280 Speaker 4: what there was one left? 2182 01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:27,960 Speaker 1: He has one? 2183 01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:32,880 Speaker 4: He has two? 2184 01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:34,200 Speaker 1: Two isn't doing it? 2185 01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:38,080 Speaker 4: He's got four? 2186 01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:38,559 Speaker 2: Wow? 2187 01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,400 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that was well done. 2188 01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:42,320 Speaker 10: That it was. 2189 01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,320 Speaker 1: It was kind of like you a Taylor Swift thing 2190 01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:45,280 Speaker 1: that went right over my head. 2191 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:46,320 Speaker 4: I missed that. 2192 01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,200 Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a quick break and then 2193 01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:50,240 Speaker 2: we're gonna finish strong. 2194 01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,240 Speaker 5: Get in on the action with DraftKings, the official daily 2195 01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,000 Speaker 5: fantasy partner of the New England Patriots. 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Yeah good 2221 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,360 Speaker 3: football team played really well against Washington obviously some earlier 2222 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,880 Speaker 3: in the year, but most recently against Washington that was 2223 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:16,920 Speaker 3: pretty impressive. Sirta Lion's having a good year. It's made 2224 01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:18,800 Speaker 3: like twenty five in a row or something like that, 2225 01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:25,439 Speaker 3: minus the one that was blocked. So Gibson explosive returner, 2226 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,200 Speaker 3: So well balanced team. That's yeah, got a lot of 2227 01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:34,960 Speaker 3: a lot of good things going for It's a sugar 2228 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,920 Speaker 3: practice in media in the United States, kind of a 2229 01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:45,640 Speaker 3: class Wednesday, kind of like last Wednesday. Yeah, we had 2230 01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:46,680 Speaker 3: a few guys banged up here. 2231 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,479 Speaker 16: Did you ever manage a game in such a way though, 2232 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,400 Speaker 16: where those guys that are banged up, I was thinking 2233 01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,639 Speaker 16: about the off season the next year for those guys 2234 01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,519 Speaker 16: that you yes, that's. 2235 01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:09,400 Speaker 3: Not play Uh yeah, I think I really understand the question. 2236 01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:11,720 Speaker 3: See where the guys are going in the game, and 2237 01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,280 Speaker 3: based on where they are in that game, talk to them, 2238 01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,360 Speaker 3: talk to the medical people. And that's kind of what 2239 01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:16,680 Speaker 3: it is. 2240 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,280 Speaker 1: And it's just given the season there's there are no 2241 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:22,040 Speaker 1: playoffs ahead. 2242 01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:31,800 Speaker 3: You should come up exact players wanna play, practice, work 2243 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:35,800 Speaker 3: all year to play. They can play. I would not 2244 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:40,360 Speaker 3: play 'em. I think that's fair to the player. I 2245 01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,679 Speaker 3: don't know, but you see it differently. 2246 01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:49,920 Speaker 4: How do you feel growing up this season? 2247 01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,720 Speaker 17: Just what is the job the offense. 2248 01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,960 Speaker 3: Then builds an experience coach and in our system in football. 2249 01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,960 Speaker 3: Just got a good, good background in a lot of 2250 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:07,400 Speaker 3: different areas and been helping really all positions offensively and 2251 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,960 Speaker 3: as well as you know, putting things together from a 2252 01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:11,120 Speaker 3: big picture standpoint. 2253 01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,320 Speaker 1: Have you seen his helmet? 2254 01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:16,760 Speaker 2: You seen that? 2255 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,960 Speaker 3: Roland was appy, you know, and a good. 2256 01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,040 Speaker 4: As he said, the start up up all to get 2257 01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,400 Speaker 4: better and it's not do you get down a part 2258 01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:25,960 Speaker 4: of Bill? 2259 01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:26,880 Speaker 7: Sure? 2260 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the builders goes out with the quarterbacks. I think 2261 01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:29,960 Speaker 3: he prepares them well. 2262 01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,759 Speaker 9: Just following up on Bill O'Brien for a moment yesterday 2263 01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,240 Speaker 9: he talked about the inconsistency of the offense shouldered some 2264 01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,840 Speaker 9: of the blame for that. Wondering from your perspective for 2265 01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,400 Speaker 9: the team this year with the performance in general, is 2266 01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:43,880 Speaker 9: that more. 2267 01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,880 Speaker 2: On the coaches? Is it on the players? 2268 01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,840 Speaker 3: A bit of both? Yeah? Right now, just really looking 2269 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,280 Speaker 3: to put our I guess the best game out there 2270 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,800 Speaker 3: against the Jets and look back this season after the season. 2271 01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,080 Speaker 1: Have you had any conversation with Robert Kraft this week about. 2272 01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:00,840 Speaker 2: Your future with the team? 2273 01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to working getting ready for the 2274 01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:05,120 Speaker 3: Jets here. 2275 01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,920 Speaker 18: You your team gotta liminated from the playoffs, but they 2276 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,920 Speaker 18: have played twelve since Really on defense is there are 2277 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,600 Speaker 18: you particularly proud and how they've ser of responded and 2278 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,040 Speaker 18: how they've followed your leadership the second half of the season. 2279 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,640 Speaker 3: Here, guys, these guys are coming to work pretty hard 2280 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:31,760 Speaker 3: every week. You like, think Tyr the junior, if we 2281 01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,280 Speaker 3: go today, do you play on aggravating him? 2282 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:36,519 Speaker 5: And so. 2283 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,200 Speaker 2: Now that's zappy, he's gotten a few starts. Have you 2284 01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:43,920 Speaker 2: seen him grown more comfortable in. 2285 01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:45,200 Speaker 18: The role and have you seen him now that he's 2286 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:46,480 Speaker 18: had a few opportunities? 2287 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Yeah, definitely. The experience is is always good 2288 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,760 Speaker 3: for a young player. But each week's different. So what 2289 01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,640 Speaker 3: the Jets do and how they play the Jets is 2290 01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,439 Speaker 3: different than last week or the week before that, a 2291 01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,479 Speaker 3: week before that. So yeah, there's some carry over, some learning, 2292 01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:06,160 Speaker 3: but there's also new new things each week. 2293 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:10,680 Speaker 14: Now do you start thinking at all about whether he 2294 01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,240 Speaker 14: could be your guy next year or or when you 2295 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,200 Speaker 14: start evaluating now who might be good quarterback. 2296 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,800 Speaker 3: Who Yeah, just a weak team and right now we're 2297 01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:30,120 Speaker 3: getting ready for the Jets. Brown the backness today. Uh yeah, 2298 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:34,439 Speaker 3: I don't think he's on the injury report, which. 2299 01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,200 Speaker 2: I know you're not big in the individual's stats, but 2300 01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,600 Speaker 2: Mario Douglas has the most catches and receiving yards for 2301 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,479 Speaker 2: a wide out in your tenure. How can you speak 2302 01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,000 Speaker 2: to his growth throughout the season and what you've seen 2303 01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:42,360 Speaker 2: from him. 2304 01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll sound a good job of you know, observering 2305 01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:53,479 Speaker 3: different roles offensively, different positions, different roles, different type plays. Uh, 2306 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,240 Speaker 3: also some of the return game. But he's a smart kid, 2307 01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:00,640 Speaker 3: works hard, pretty instinctive player. So we've been able to 2308 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,519 Speaker 3: uh do some things with him in a variety of 2309 01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:04,040 Speaker 3: things with them. 2310 01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,200 Speaker 4: Have you seen teams try to defend him differently over 2311 01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:09,840 Speaker 4: the last month or so now that. 2312 01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:15,040 Speaker 3: He has to do with a worset apples? Yeah, you'd 2313 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,599 Speaker 3: have to talk to those teams about how they game 2314 01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:22,280 Speaker 3: planned it or didn't game plan it. Yeah. I wouldn't 2315 01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,280 Speaker 3: say I've seen any anything that specifically targets him, but 2316 01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:30,120 Speaker 3: maybe maybe within a call they didn't. I don't know 2317 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:31,200 Speaker 3: if they have. 2318 01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:39,120 Speaker 16: Some Billy drop up the Jets past you've got a 2319 01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,560 Speaker 16: lot of young line that you have to play dot 2320 01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:46,840 Speaker 16: sas so bop the modes and require the too preen 2321 01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:50,080 Speaker 16: in seven season and you can get Andrews out collective 2322 01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:54,160 Speaker 16: BA collectively individually. Uh how has that group of players. 2323 01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:55,440 Speaker 3: For the Beasts? 2324 01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:57,360 Speaker 13: Uh? 2325 01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,640 Speaker 3: An adaptism under fire? There'll be more this week. So 2326 01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,120 Speaker 3: these guys are really good. They play a lot of 2327 01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,920 Speaker 3: different spots, so they you know, always matched up against 2328 01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,479 Speaker 3: the same guy a block of different players. They are 2329 01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:13,479 Speaker 3: good or they rusted passer as well as any team 2330 01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:17,040 Speaker 3: we've played. So with multiple guys, you've got a lot 2331 01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:21,000 Speaker 3: of guys to stop. So those guys learn every week 2332 01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:24,920 Speaker 3: and the young players to get experience. That experience teach 2333 01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,400 Speaker 3: some things and hopefully pay off in the long run. 2334 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,360 Speaker 2: Uh Juju Smith Schuster went on to Hiro last week. 2335 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,120 Speaker 18: Obviously, I don't think his production has been what anyone 2336 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,720 Speaker 18: would expect or thought it would be. 2337 01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,080 Speaker 4: Just what what do you think happened with him this season? 2338 01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:43,320 Speaker 4: How would you describe this season? 2339 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well he won't play in this game, so just 2340 01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:47,599 Speaker 3: worry about this game. 2341 01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:51,960 Speaker 4: Well, I think I've. 2342 01:41:51,880 --> 01:42:00,639 Speaker 2: Had three players start team hile gotcham there's just thought gunshop. 2343 01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:01,880 Speaker 11: What do you fans much. 2344 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:04,240 Speaker 3: I think that has a specially soft rock. 2345 01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2346 01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,800 Speaker 3: Uh, DJ's had a good year, really professional player pair 2347 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,240 Speaker 3: as well. Every week. That's a really good job understanding 2348 01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:15,479 Speaker 3: blocking schemes. So he was playing against how different teams 2349 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,200 Speaker 3: want to run the ball. Even though it might be 2350 01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,200 Speaker 3: the sort of the same blocks, there's sometimes different subtleties 2351 01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,720 Speaker 3: in that, and and who the backs are, how they 2352 01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,920 Speaker 3: like to run. So he's really good with the other 2353 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,960 Speaker 3: guys that he plays with in terms of, you know, 2354 01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,080 Speaker 3: helping them understand how the runs are gonna get fit 2355 01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,400 Speaker 3: and so forth. So they's then a good job, had 2356 01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:34,840 Speaker 3: a good year. 2357 01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,640 Speaker 4: What if you see him like when you just the 2358 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,320 Speaker 4: chance of fresh I mean, hasn't. 2359 01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,120 Speaker 1: Expressed that you have any talks. 2360 01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna get in any contract discussions. 2361 01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,479 Speaker 11: Witness you see just a trick that you still. 2362 01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeh start of the air guard then Uh we talked 2363 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,800 Speaker 3: after the Las Vegas game and uh started playing a 2364 01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:06,479 Speaker 3: tackle and he's really embraced that. And think he's had 2365 01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,240 Speaker 3: a pretty good year out there. You know, it's not 2366 01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,200 Speaker 3: totally new for him. He's been out there before, but 2367 01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,160 Speaker 3: you've seen a lot of good players and they have 2368 01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,519 Speaker 3: done a pretty solid job and we'll see more this week. 2369 01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,599 Speaker 3: So on the week, multiple guys out there that he'll 2370 01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:26,000 Speaker 3: face that you know are all good Franklin Myers, McDonald, Johnson, 2371 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:31,320 Speaker 3: ugh and so we've got a lot of good rushers. 2372 01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,760 Speaker 18: We're trying this season been offensive tackle with four guys 2373 01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,080 Speaker 18: on the gser moving. 2374 01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,360 Speaker 1: Pieces all the. 2375 01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not the way we thought it would happen 2376 01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,439 Speaker 3: when we acquired some of the guys at the beginning 2377 01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,600 Speaker 3: of the year and then more. But that is what 2378 01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:47,880 Speaker 3: it is. 2379 01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:50,559 Speaker 11: The fact that this is. 2380 01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:52,000 Speaker 1: At the final week of the season. 2381 01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,160 Speaker 4: What what's your message been to the the team? 2382 01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:57,200 Speaker 18: Just to keep him locked in with no playoff implications 2383 01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:58,200 Speaker 18: going into this week. 2384 01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:04,360 Speaker 3: Same as as every Really, so he's about the Jets. 2385 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,960 Speaker 3: Last week's about Buffalo. Week before that was about Denver. 2386 01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:16,960 Speaker 3: Uh any love lost for the Jets. I had a 2387 01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:21,559 Speaker 3: lot of respect for what coach the Law's done put 2388 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:22,760 Speaker 3: together pred team down there. 2389 01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:29,800 Speaker 17: Really, When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, 2390 01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:34,200 Speaker 17: oh no, replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture 2391 01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,240 Speaker 17: proof of delivery, everyone could focus on the perfect opening 2392 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:41,680 Speaker 17: night FedEx where now it's next for residential delivery. 2393 01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:45,680 Speaker 4: Only And now great moments in. 2394 01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:48,360 Speaker 3: History. 2395 01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,320 Speaker 1: So in sinc is playing at the old Stadium and like, 2396 01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,000 Speaker 1: my wife is going to taking my nieces and stuff. 2397 01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,960 Speaker 1: The webmaster, who Rick rick Aames, He took this piece 2398 01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,200 Speaker 1: the cardboard and somehow like I bought this wire and 2399 01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,600 Speaker 1: it was like honk if you love in sync, but. 2400 01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,840 Speaker 2: He kept it. He rigged it up in such a 2401 01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,040 Speaker 2: way that Paul wouldn't see it when he got in 2402 01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,760 Speaker 2: his car. But once he started driving it down. 2403 01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:18,360 Speaker 1: So and everyone's and I'm meeting bet at like Papa 2404 01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,439 Speaker 1: Gino's and like everybody's beeping and I'm like what. 2405 01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm driving like ten miles. 2406 01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:28,400 Speaker 1: Hey, ass man, exactly, you got that right. I looked 2407 01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:32,040 Speaker 1: at it. I was like, oh, that's that's just too perfect. Everybody, 2408 01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,680 Speaker 1: every single person in the building knew about it, and 2409 01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:36,880 Speaker 1: they all like were what And they couldn't wait for 2410 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,880 Speaker 1: me to get back because I was going down to 2411 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,000 Speaker 1: meet Bath and my nieces and I was coming back 2412 01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,040 Speaker 1: and they were like, ida. 2413 01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,679 Speaker 4: Go, that's another great moment from. 2414 01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,000 Speaker 2: All right back here in Patriots Unfiltered A five five 2415 01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,640 Speaker 2: past five hundred is the ace ticket hotline. Deuce did 2416 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:52,280 Speaker 2: pull through. 2417 01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,719 Speaker 4: Good job, Deuce, he got the last four. 2418 01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,599 Speaker 2: Chick fil A sandwiches spicy w were they called? 2419 01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,679 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah spicy? The Lucker room opened. 2420 01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,439 Speaker 2: Ryan A Situate writes in a few days late at 2421 01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,400 Speaker 2: this point, but after the Lions Cowboys games, I tuned 2422 01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:15,840 Speaker 2: into a Lions postgame show from their official YouTube, remember 2423 01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,000 Speaker 2: whoever it was on. The show was bashing the officials 2424 01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:19,640 Speaker 2: and sing that the rest took away their chance to 2425 01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,120 Speaker 2: win the game, regardless of if he was right and 2426 01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,000 Speaker 2: the officials blew the call. I wanted to give you 2427 01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,080 Speaker 2: guys credit for the job you do and your professionalism, 2428 01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,720 Speaker 2: other than Paul's vehement hatred toward the officials no matter 2429 01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:34,880 Speaker 2: what the team is. I have never really accurate. I 2430 01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:36,960 Speaker 2: have never really heard you guys make the refs out 2431 01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,719 Speaker 2: to be the reason for Patriots loss. 2432 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,120 Speaker 4: Oh so, I don't know if you guys saw, but 2433 01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,280 Speaker 4: the league sent out a video yesterday to all teams 2434 01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:48,519 Speaker 4: about what happened, and they they put it on the Lions. 2435 01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:53,040 Speaker 4: They were like, this is your fault. That yeah, so 2436 01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:57,479 Speaker 4: apparently they they slowed it down and frame by frame 2437 01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:01,120 Speaker 4: and showed Dan Skipper like doing something to his chest 2438 01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,960 Speaker 4: that would like signify that he was reporting as eligible, 2439 01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,760 Speaker 4: and basically they said they try to pull a fast 2440 01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,840 Speaker 4: one on everybody, including the officials, and they that's why 2441 01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:11,200 Speaker 4: this was confusing. 2442 01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that part of it. 2443 01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,240 Speaker 4: I just think does the bruda from me didn't agree 2444 01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:16,439 Speaker 4: with that. 2445 01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:17,640 Speaker 1: That was embarrassing. 2446 01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:19,240 Speaker 4: It's course directed. 2447 01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:22,280 Speaker 2: I heard Ben and Tucson writes in I don't believe 2448 01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,360 Speaker 2: Josh Allen is long for this league. He clearly thinks 2449 01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:28,080 Speaker 2: he's indestructible and eventually it's going to catch up to him. 2450 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,840 Speaker 2: That final drive of the game, he gets the first down, 2451 01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:33,960 Speaker 2: just slide and the game is over. Instead, he just 2452 01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,479 Speaker 2: he gets drilled into the ground and comes up lame. 2453 01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,040 Speaker 2: He looks to pitch the ball for no reason and 2454 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,320 Speaker 2: takes a shot to the head and loses the ball. Paul, 2455 01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:45,120 Speaker 2: I completely disagree. I would not want him on this team. Whoever, 2456 01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:46,760 Speaker 2: I love your references. 2457 01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:50,080 Speaker 4: For that last part is at he like in like 2458 01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,719 Speaker 4: year seven, like how like he's not long for this league. 2459 01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,400 Speaker 1: He's already been in the league for to get a decade. 2460 01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:57,880 Speaker 1: How much more do you want him to be in 2461 01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:05,280 Speaker 1: the league? Fact, Chat, it was third and three, you 2462 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:10,200 Speaker 1: got four yards? Yeah, you slide there and you might 2463 01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,240 Speaker 1: not get the first down. And I'm not lying. 2464 01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,479 Speaker 4: You get credit when you start the slide start. 2465 01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,160 Speaker 1: That's where the referee spots the ball. 2466 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,160 Speaker 4: I say, if they spot it correctly, right, yes? 2467 01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,080 Speaker 1: And how many times do you look and you say, oh, 2468 01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,680 Speaker 1: he easily got the first down and then nope, the 2469 01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:27,840 Speaker 1: slide started here before he got it. He got the 2470 01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:31,120 Speaker 1: first down by your yard, Like, if you want to 2471 01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,760 Speaker 1: end the game, that's what you need to do. Yeah, Like, 2472 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,040 Speaker 1: that's one of the times that I would actually say, 2473 01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:37,760 Speaker 1: that's when I need you to run. 2474 01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,559 Speaker 4: That's when I need you to be superman. You get 2475 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,960 Speaker 4: a first down, the game's over, you know what I mean. 2476 01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like it's the one with the 2477 01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:47,720 Speaker 1: wild reach of the ball on a random third down 2478 01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:49,240 Speaker 1: early in the fourth quarter. 2479 01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,320 Speaker 4: And I get it, like from a fan perspective, but 2480 01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,800 Speaker 4: I just feel like Patriots fans, I'm sorry to like 2481 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,120 Speaker 4: put you all together, but I feel like a lot 2482 01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,519 Speaker 4: of Patriots fans just want him to fail because he's 2483 01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,360 Speaker 4: on the bills and it's in the division that kind 2484 01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,040 Speaker 4: of stuff. So everybody always, oh, he's gonna get hurt. Eventually, 2485 01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,320 Speaker 4: he's gonna get hurt eventually. He has yet to get 2486 01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,240 Speaker 4: hurt or in year seven and he's still running around 2487 01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,880 Speaker 4: and he's still lowering his shoulder into people. And yeah, 2488 01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,400 Speaker 4: maybe he won't play for twenty years like Brady did, 2489 01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,080 Speaker 4: but I'm sure the Bills will take a decade of 2490 01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:17,200 Speaker 4: Josh Allen just fine. 2491 01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, who you guys rooting for him and the tu 2492 01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,200 Speaker 6: him versus the Dolphins this weekend, it's a big matchup. 2493 01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:27,519 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Buffalo because that would be good for 2494 01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,280 Speaker 1: both of them, and I like, I kind of want 2495 01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,040 Speaker 1: someone new, like I don't I'm going to root against 2496 01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:36,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City more than likely, even though I respect the 2497 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:36,479 Speaker 1: hell out of him. 2498 01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,559 Speaker 2: If you want someone new, wouldn't you root from Miami? 2499 01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:40,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well no, but I mean that will give me 2500 01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,400 Speaker 4: two chances for someone new, Buffalo and Miami. 2501 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:44,720 Speaker 1: Because they but what do they both get in if 2502 01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,360 Speaker 1: if if Buffalo will, yeah they I mean, Buffalo would 2503 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,120 Speaker 1: be the division champ, but Miami would still be eleven 2504 01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:52,599 Speaker 1: and six, and you know they both be eleven and six, 2505 01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'd like that. Whereas if Buffalo loses, then they 2506 01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:59,960 Speaker 1: have to they need help. They need like Jacksonville to 2507 01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,280 Speaker 1: lose or Pittsburgh to lose. 2508 01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:04,760 Speaker 4: Just to get in the fact that Pittsburgh is even 2509 01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:05,760 Speaker 4: in this conversations. 2510 01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,080 Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll get to our picks tomorrow. Jay in 2511 01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:12,920 Speaker 2: Minnesota writes in this weekend has me nervous with all 2512 01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,479 Speaker 2: the uncertainty with Bill and the team. I also can't 2513 01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,680 Speaker 2: wait till the draft. I need to see what we 2514 01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,840 Speaker 2: do this year in the off season. Question, knowing what 2515 01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,320 Speaker 2: you know about Bill, what do you think the odds 2516 01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,720 Speaker 2: are that Bill is willing to mutually part ways? And 2517 01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,320 Speaker 2: if he isn't, how much do you truly think he's worth, 2518 01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:31,679 Speaker 2: especially him being behind the times on the offensive side 2519 01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:33,800 Speaker 2: of the ball. What would you be willing to take 2520 01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,439 Speaker 2: for him? Or what do you think his trade value is? 2521 01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,120 Speaker 2: Or do you think the Craft is willing to pay 2522 01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:40,960 Speaker 2: him out for all he's done for the organization. I 2523 01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,720 Speaker 2: wasn't prepared. I was prepared to move on from Bill, 2524 01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:45,960 Speaker 2: but listening the past couple of weeks, I wouldn't be 2525 01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:50,280 Speaker 2: surprised if Kraft runs it back the trade thing we 2526 01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:51,040 Speaker 2: already talked about. 2527 01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting any trade compensation. 2528 01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,640 Speaker 4: I do wonder if there is a Brady situation. I 2529 01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:02,080 Speaker 4: know it's not completely insane, where instead of trying to 2530 01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:04,920 Speaker 4: go through this whole negotiation with the trade they do. 2531 01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:07,840 Speaker 4: Just say you've earned your freedom, Like if you don't 2532 01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:08,920 Speaker 4: want to be here, then. 2533 01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,920 Speaker 1: I would applaud that, just like I applauded it with Brady. 2534 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,360 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people don't see it 2535 01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:16,040 Speaker 1: that way, but I think that's the right thing to 2536 01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:17,240 Speaker 1: do me too. 2537 01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2538 01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:22,479 Speaker 1: I never held it against the Crafts that Tom was, 2539 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, not franchised like he was just any other quarterback. 2540 01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,360 Speaker 2: You know, right, no need. 2541 01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,920 Speaker 4: He deserved that absolutely, and Bill does too. 2542 01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:30,759 Speaker 1: I agree. 2543 01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:38,760 Speaker 2: Let's see longino O Gino from New Jersey. I just 2544 01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,960 Speaker 2: want to say that, even though it'll suck if when 2545 01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,800 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick leaves, if he comes back this year, I'm 2546 01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,559 Speaker 2: having trouble believing he's going to coach up the next 2547 01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:49,880 Speaker 2: quarterback with his mindset. What's to stop him from continuing 2548 01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,120 Speaker 2: to build this team the way he did these past 2549 01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:52,719 Speaker 2: four years. 2550 01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,640 Speaker 1: Robert Craft, that's a concern, that's yeah, And it's not 2551 01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:02,960 Speaker 1: necessarily personnel wise, it's it's coaching wise. That's my concern. 2552 01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,280 Speaker 1: Like you can give someone else the keys to the shop, 2553 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,040 Speaker 1: but if he's coaching in the way that they coach. 2554 01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,720 Speaker 1: And I think I told the story, Yes, It really 2555 01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,880 Speaker 1: made me laugh. The first question of the press conference 2556 01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,519 Speaker 1: on Monday was about the kickoff return, and he went 2557 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:25,240 Speaker 1: into great detail with you know, the Pharaoh Brown and 2558 01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:28,439 Speaker 1: this guy kickout blocks and mac Wilson picked that guy. 2559 01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,439 Speaker 1: Slater got this guy. Great job by Rager. He broke 2560 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,479 Speaker 1: down with like six different people did. Then the second 2561 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:39,600 Speaker 1: question was Christian Barmore has been playing great? Was a 2562 01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:42,639 Speaker 1: little quieter in this game. Did you notice any extra 2563 01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:45,000 Speaker 1: attention that Buffalo may have been given. I'd have to 2564 01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:48,640 Speaker 1: watch the film Like that to me symbolized exactly why 2565 01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,640 Speaker 1: I want to move on. Well, he could give he 2566 01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:53,360 Speaker 1: could give you a chapter and verse on a special 2567 01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:53,920 Speaker 1: team's play. 2568 01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,599 Speaker 2: He knows though he knows everything, he just doesn't want 2569 01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:57,120 Speaker 2: to talk about it. 2570 01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:58,559 Speaker 1: It was, you know, is that Bill would have come 2571 01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:00,639 Speaker 1: back and they were to draft a quarterback. Missed my point, 2572 01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:01,240 Speaker 1: but that's okay. 2573 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,920 Speaker 6: There's a good chance that Bill's not staying through that 2574 01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,000 Speaker 6: quarterback's career here, right Like I mean, I mean he 2575 01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,880 Speaker 6: could he could very well retire early. And I mean 2576 01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:10,920 Speaker 6: even if he look, you're here as long as you want. 2577 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,000 Speaker 1: Like, if the quarterback works out, there's no way he's 2578 01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,599 Speaker 1: going to be just for his career. 2579 01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:19,400 Speaker 2: Right Jason and Vermont. It is fascinating that with all 2580 01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:22,240 Speaker 2: the people on this planet, the NFL can't find thirty 2581 01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:25,559 Speaker 2: two qualified candidates to play quarterback. The drop off from 2582 01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,479 Speaker 2: the best to the worst is significant. Week after weeks, 2583 01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:31,360 Speaker 2: some pretty poor quarterback performances are seen in the NFL. 2584 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,599 Speaker 2: I wanted to know if you could talk about why 2585 01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:36,320 Speaker 2: there is no better way to rate the quarterback talent 2586 01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,439 Speaker 2: coming out of college. Why does it have to be 2587 01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,320 Speaker 2: such a crapshoot. There are guys drafted in the first 2588 01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:43,519 Speaker 2: round that end up being terrible and guys drafted in 2589 01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,560 Speaker 2: the later rounds that end up being great. Do you 2590 01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,320 Speaker 2: know how much psychological testing is involved? 2591 01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,920 Speaker 4: I mean, this question gets to the heart of the matter. 2592 01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:52,840 Speaker 6: Like I think this is what's great about football is 2593 01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:55,439 Speaker 6: and it's so hard, Like there's no way that you 2594 01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:57,519 Speaker 6: could accurately predict every single guy. 2595 01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:59,519 Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so much fun that you 2596 01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:01,640 Speaker 1: know a guy like Brady or Purty, or you know 2597 01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:04,360 Speaker 1: a top overall pick like Man, Like it runs the gamut. 2598 01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,240 Speaker 6: That's what I love about the game. And you never 2599 01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:08,479 Speaker 6: you can't just put it into a formula and be 2600 01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:09,880 Speaker 6: like all right, these are the guys we have to 2601 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,760 Speaker 6: select because this is what the formula says, and this 2602 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:12,080 Speaker 6: is you. 2603 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:13,439 Speaker 1: Know, going to be accurate. That's no fun. 2604 01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:15,040 Speaker 4: I just think a lot of it is is so 2605 01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:19,360 Speaker 4: much nature versus nurture. Like so Rock Party works out, 2606 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:21,760 Speaker 4: you all know how I feel about that. 2607 01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:22,800 Speaker 2: Like that, like. 2608 01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:26,720 Speaker 1: Rock Party was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals, no one 2609 01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:28,479 Speaker 1: will be talking about him as a seventh round hit. 2610 01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:28,920 Speaker 4: Correct. 2611 01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,120 Speaker 1: I totally get your point. 2612 01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,840 Speaker 4: Right, So, like that's that you draft these quarterbacks at 2613 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,360 Speaker 4: the top of the first round. They're getting drafted by 2614 01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,120 Speaker 4: teams that all suck. So like if you're getting drafted 2615 01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:42,120 Speaker 4: Zack Wilson gets drafted by the Jets, who stink, and 2616 01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:44,840 Speaker 4: then he stinks like shot, Like that's not surprising, Like 2617 01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:48,000 Speaker 4: Justin Fields goes to the Bears who stink and he stinks. 2618 01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,440 Speaker 4: So like that, A lot of it, I think is 2619 01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,160 Speaker 4: is not just about the physical talent or ability of 2620 01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:59,520 Speaker 4: the quarterback. It's more about the situation that that quarterback 2621 01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,000 Speaker 4: is getting dropped into. Not always, but I think a 2622 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,480 Speaker 4: lot of the time that ends up being the case. 2623 01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:08,600 Speaker 4: And that's why a Brock Purty can succeed where Zach 2624 01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,320 Speaker 4: Wilson can even if Zach Wilson came into the league 2625 01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:14,600 Speaker 4: as a highly touted prospect. It's just all about situation. 2626 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I also say that, And I don't. I 2627 01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,680 Speaker 1: don't have all the numbers broken down, but I bet 2628 01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:26,440 Speaker 1: if you did a really in depth, researched draft analysis 2629 01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:31,040 Speaker 1: that you'd find just as many of the example that 2630 01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about with the quarterback early in late like 2631 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,760 Speaker 1: just as many Michael when U sixth round pick, Cole 2632 01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:39,960 Speaker 1: Straams first round pick, Yeah, guard, Like, I don't think 2633 01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,320 Speaker 1: that's I don't think that's just like reserved for quarterbacks. 2634 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:44,720 Speaker 4: They miss. 2635 01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes really good players go late in the draft, 2636 01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:50,880 Speaker 1: and sometimes really bad players are picked early in the draft. 2637 01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:54,840 Speaker 1: The bottom line is, more often than not, the guys 2638 01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,400 Speaker 1: that go in the first round are better players than 2639 01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,000 Speaker 1: the guys that go in the seventh round. Like it's 2640 01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,560 Speaker 1: just the way it is. But they're always except Yeah, 2641 01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:04,280 Speaker 1: And I don't think that's just resigned just quarterbacks only. 2642 01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,120 Speaker 1: There's like four quarterbacks that are any good in the 2643 01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,760 Speaker 1: league that were drafted after the second after the first 2644 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:10,360 Speaker 1: round was over. 2645 01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,160 Speaker 2: Chad writes in from Atlanta, When did you all realize 2646 01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:16,600 Speaker 2: that the season was over. I gave the nod after 2647 01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:20,240 Speaker 2: Christian Dezals left the Cowboys game. So unfortunate that we're 2648 01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,040 Speaker 2: at this point, but as Bill says, it is what 2649 01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,760 Speaker 2: it is. We're onto the draft and PS still needing 2650 01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:28,320 Speaker 2: an update on my shirt. No rush Chad in Atlanta, 2651 01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,280 Speaker 2: MA get so much you guys? Do you guys have 2652 01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:31,000 Speaker 2: I think we got us? 2653 01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:32,960 Speaker 6: I said, I said the Saints. I mean, I understand 2654 01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:35,280 Speaker 6: like the Cowboys game, but I was willing to say 2655 01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:37,760 Speaker 6: one mulligan, one mulligan, and. 2656 01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:42,160 Speaker 1: I thought they were going to start the season oh 2657 01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:44,080 Speaker 1: and four, and then Aaron Rodgers got hurt, so there 2658 01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:45,760 Speaker 1: were one and three. So I was like, Okay, this 2659 01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,360 Speaker 1: is kind of what I expected. But then I didn't 2660 01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:50,640 Speaker 1: expect to get shut out by by the Saints. I mean, 2661 01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:51,760 Speaker 1: that's that says it all to me. 2662 01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:56,280 Speaker 4: Yeah at home, Yeah that was that was And in hindsight, 2663 01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,040 Speaker 4: then also going on the road and losing to the Raiders, 2664 01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:03,080 Speaker 4: who hated their coach that right, and then also had 2665 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:06,040 Speaker 4: Brian Hoyer playing quarterback for the entire second half of 2666 01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,080 Speaker 4: that game and they could have another good point, like 2667 01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:10,040 Speaker 4: you know, that was the first sign of like, oh man, 2668 01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,160 Speaker 4: we're not even gonna beat the backups, correct, because they 2669 01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:15,720 Speaker 4: could have. You could have talked yourself into Washington, Vegas 2670 01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:20,520 Speaker 4: command colts in Germany like in stacking some wins together 2671 01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,640 Speaker 4: to get back into a five hundred territory by the 2672 01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:27,440 Speaker 4: second half of the season. Uh, the path was was 2673 01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,680 Speaker 4: there and theory. But then once they lost to the 2674 01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:33,200 Speaker 4: Raiders and they couldn't even beat a Raiders, the path Yeah. 2675 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:37,760 Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be in this edition of have 2676 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,600 Speaker 2: to make Way for John Rook in the playbook. Coming 2677 01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:44,240 Speaker 2: up next, we'll be back tomorrow with another edition of 2678 01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:49,400 Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered, preceded by Catch twenty two. Uh, and tomorrow 2679 01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,200 Speaker 2: will do our picks, so we'll see you then. 2680 01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:55,879 Speaker 4: Thank you for downloading this podcast. 2681 01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:59,400 Speaker 1: Subscribe on Apple, Google Play, and everywhere else you listen. 2682 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:01,920 Speaker 4: Like the show, Please rate and review us. 2683 01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,720 Speaker 2: Listener comments and ratings help keep us high in the 2684 01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:06,120 Speaker 2: podcast rankings. 2685 01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:07,400 Speaker 4: So new listeners can find us. 2686 01:58:07,680 --> 01:58:10,560 Speaker 1: Be sure to check Patriots dot com or more news 2687 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,080 Speaker 1: and more podcasts. 2688 01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:21,400 Speaker 12: The world's original podcast