Speaker 1: So I don't feel like understanding that LUV is gonna work.
Speaker 1: And when you use my acronym, okay, you just see
Speaker 1: you said it is you, Oh LUV. I don't see that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play that. We're gonna play it back for you.
Speaker 1: We can play it back so you can hear the
Speaker 1: tone with what you said. I was kind enough to
Speaker 1: come and see this is why it don't work. This
Speaker 1: right here, it's why it don't work. What's up, everybody?
Speaker 1: I'm Gammy and this is positively gam Every week I
Speaker 1: try to have raw and in depth conversation with inspirational
Speaker 1: people pushing for change on everything from aging, relationships, politics, wellness,
Speaker 1: to the current issues facing the black community. And in
Speaker 1: the episode, we're going to be discussing living your overall
Speaker 1: life with compassion. And joining me on the podcast today
Speaker 1: to help break this all down is someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: need an introduction. My son in law, Will Smith. Thank
Speaker 1: you Will for joining me today. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: have you. I wanted to have you on to talk
Speaker 1: about this really because once again, our conversations always start
Speaker 1: out in the kitchen. There something about the kitchen that
Speaker 1: just gets us going, and I want to just mention
Speaker 1: too that particularly yesterday, I walked into the kitchen and
Speaker 1: you were having a conversation with Willow and she was
Speaker 1: very emotional. But what I love about you guys is
Speaker 1: that Willow and all of your children they kitnessy. I'm
Speaker 1: getting teary because I need him to need them to.
Speaker 1: I'm not crying though, but my eyes are just worring.
Speaker 1: I have allergies. They can Your kids can come to
Speaker 1: either one of you. There is a freedom and an
Speaker 1: honesty and a safety that they feel able to come
Speaker 1: to you or come to Jada with whatever is going
Speaker 1: on with them. And I never had that. Jada never
Speaker 1: had that. And the fact that you are able to
Speaker 1: to share that open communication with your with all of
Speaker 1: your children is so important. Yeah, it was wanted. The
Speaker 1: the things that Jada and I agreed on really early
Speaker 1: in parenting is that we wanted our kids to be
Speaker 1: free thinkers, and we wanted them to be I'd open,
Speaker 1: to be comfortable being who they are. And as a
Speaker 1: part of that, what we adopted was a no punishment
Speaker 1: rule any time they tell the truth. And we established
Speaker 1: with them very early and we had the circle of safety,
Speaker 1: but reduced the circle of safety and in the circle
Speaker 1: of safety, the rule was, you can say absolutely anything
Speaker 1: you've done, anything you've said, anything that's happened. You can
Speaker 1: tell us anything in the circle of safety. And when
Speaker 1: you say it in the circle of safety, you're exempt
Speaker 1: from punishment. Right if, however, you call a circle of
Speaker 1: safety and there's a circle of safety, and you withhold
Speaker 1: the truth in the circle of safety and we find
Speaker 1: out later, now you're able to be punished. And that
Speaker 1: rule was really powerful for the kids young. They just
Speaker 1: got used to sharing their truth, saying what is what
Speaker 1: was true, and what was deeply going on inside. And
Speaker 1: we cultivated that at four years old. Five years old,
Speaker 1: and I had to hear some things that I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear, and Willow tapped me out of a
Speaker 1: couple of circussions, like, yeah, you just I think you
Speaker 1: should just only do that with But the having contact
Speaker 1: with someone's truth and creating a space where someone can
Speaker 1: share the depth of their ugly truth is the only
Speaker 1: way you can really have a relationship. Nobody's perfect. We
Speaker 1: are all struggling, we are all having a hard time,
Speaker 1: we're all a mess. Understanding is the basis for love. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's get right to that then understanding and living
Speaker 1: life with compassion. I feel like I certainly understand being
Speaker 1: able to put that into practice with someone that that
Speaker 1: I love and care about. I haven't done it all
Speaker 1: the time. And actually that's really been an area that
Speaker 1: I realized that I haven't been living my life compassionately
Speaker 1: showing compassion to ones that I love. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to start out talking about living compassionately
Speaker 1: showing compassion to ones you love or with ones that
Speaker 1: you may be in conflict with the basic concept. And
Speaker 1: when we had this conversation a couple of months ago
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, Yeah, that's where we're all our family
Speaker 1: discussions kick off in that kitchen. So it was just
Speaker 1: after quarantine had begun and the George Floyd's situation. Yes,
Speaker 1: and when the George what situation happened? I had a
Speaker 1: strange and powerful life changing reaction to that. I looked
Speaker 1: at it and I felt I was going to be called.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was going to have to lend
Speaker 1: my voice to the situation, to the struggle. And I
Speaker 1: remember it was you, Willow and Jada in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I said, guys, I know
Speaker 1: you know how I'm gonna help and how I'm going
Speaker 1: to be a part of creating harmony between people and
Speaker 1: these difficult situations. And what we were talking about the
Speaker 1: idea of love love is l u V. Listen, Understand
Speaker 1: what the other person is saying and validate the parts
Speaker 1: of it that you know are true. Listen, understand, validate, right?
Speaker 1: Can you understand what the other person is saying? Not
Speaker 1: even agreements. I'm not talking about agree and you don't
Speaker 1: have to agree, You just have to listen. You have
Speaker 1: to just understand what they're saying. You don't have to
Speaker 1: think it's true for you. I think that's the problem
Speaker 1: because you almost feel like understanding is agreeing, right, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's really not. You just want to understand. And in
Speaker 1: terms of that, we started with talking about the kids.
Speaker 1: How can I parent if I don't have an intimate
Speaker 1: comprehension of what's going on with you, If I don't
Speaker 1: know all of the things that you're thinking and all
Speaker 1: of the things that you're feeling. Putting aside that I'm
Speaker 1: scared that you have a friend that's doing drugs and
Speaker 1: you're interested in you want to try it, right, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how my parents did and how I did
Speaker 1: that was there's no real consideration with who the child
Speaker 1: is and what they're going through. That was what happened
Speaker 1: with me, and I'm pretty sure that's how I parented Jada.
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm so sometimes I'm just in awe of
Speaker 1: her that she survived me. Really really she's surviving and
Speaker 1: thriving and okay, but anyway, go ahead, we digress. But
Speaker 1: the concept, if you think about it, even in terms
Speaker 1: of lawyers and her, Barack Obama say one time, and
Speaker 1: it was such a brilliant idea, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: if someone's defense attorney, you don't need to prepare a defense,
Speaker 1: You prepare the prosecution. You figure out intimately what the
Speaker 1: prosecution is going to say, and then you prepare your
Speaker 1: defense based on that concept. And I kept seeing this
Speaker 1: idea over and over about understanding being the predecessor of harmony,
Speaker 1: understand ending being the predecessor of love. So for me
Speaker 1: as an actor, it's an easy thing. I get used
Speaker 1: to learning how to put aside what I think to
Speaker 1: understand a character. Right, So it's a simple thing. I
Speaker 1: get a script and the character is the most vile despicable, human, imaginable.
Speaker 1: But I released my judgment of that because as an actor,
Speaker 1: I just want to understand what makes them tick. And
Speaker 1: it's a skill set that I firmly believe is the
Speaker 1: single most valuable human interactive skill set. Can you put
Speaker 1: aside what you think and you feel long enough to
Speaker 1: understand what the other person? That really is a challenge.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's easier said than done. That's really
Speaker 1: hard to do, and then put emotion on top of
Speaker 1: it autely. Jada is the one person on earth that
Speaker 1: I've been most successful with being able to navigate difficult,
Speaker 1: painful situations strictly trying to understand what she thinks and feels.
Speaker 1: Is there a process that you go through the love theory?
Speaker 1: That love theory, listen, understand, and then validate the parts
Speaker 1: of it that you think are true. So talk to
Speaker 1: me about the V part V part. So the idea
Speaker 1: of black lives matter? Okay, So from my point of view,
Speaker 1: black lives matter is really freaking simple. So you'd say,
Speaker 1: what the hell is the conflict with black lives matter?
Speaker 1: What is the discussion, what is the debate? What's the offense?
Speaker 1: And I found myself in that place, and then I said, okay, pause,
Speaker 1: now let me use my own series. And I had
Speaker 1: an associate on the set that was a serious uh trumper,
Speaker 1: and that just puts puts my hair up. So I
Speaker 1: was saying to myself, Okay, here, I need to practice
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to preach. So I wanted to listen
Speaker 1: because that can even feel impossible. So I said, so,
Speaker 1: what's so offensive to you about the idea that black
Speaker 1: lives matter? Right? He said, everybody knows that black lives matter. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, I'm all right, Like I can't get
Speaker 1: past the first It's like, because you want to say,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to say it if every everybody knew.
Speaker 1: But I was like, no, that's not a part of
Speaker 1: my theory. I have to listen. I have to listen
Speaker 1: and have to understand what's going on, and then I
Speaker 1: have to validate the parts of it that are true.
Speaker 1: So I said, so, what you're saying is there's some insult.
Speaker 1: It's like someone saying something to you that you already know.
Speaker 1: So you find insult because in order for someone to
Speaker 1: say to you that black lives matter, there's the assumption
Speaker 1: that you think they don't, and he said, yeah, absolutely said,
Speaker 1: why are you saying it to me? Why are you
Speaker 1: looking at me when you say black lives matter? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to and I'm rasing, and I'm i'm
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay. But what we ultimately guys see
Speaker 1: you look at you folding your heart already. But that's
Speaker 1: what I realized. What became the problem is we actually
Speaker 1: don't want to understand in each other. We don't give
Speaker 1: a damn about understanding each other. We want you gotta
Speaker 1: understand me. And one of the laws of the seven
Speaker 1: habits of highly effective people is seek first to understand
Speaker 1: before seeking to be understood. And as a principle, it's
Speaker 1: such a valuable principle. But when that emotion riles up,
Speaker 1: it's such a difficult thing to rustle down. But what
Speaker 1: I did is I rustled down with this guy and
Speaker 1: I said okay. And what we got to is he
Speaker 1: felt insulted when someone said it to him. He didn't
Speaker 1: disagree with the idea overall, but he felt attacked by
Speaker 1: people directing it at him. Why are you saying it
Speaker 1: to me? Like? Why are you in it up in
Speaker 1: front of my house and within it. He felt that
Speaker 1: he was being called racist by the phrase being directed
Speaker 1: at him, and I could relate to that. I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily agree. There was a certain amount of false perception
Speaker 1: that he was living with. He just didn't have the
Speaker 1: experiences that I had. He didn't grow up the way
Speaker 1: that I grew up. He didn't have the relationship with
Speaker 1: police that I had. Actually had the opposite reaction. How
Speaker 1: could he possibly know what was going on with me?
Speaker 1: But in the process, what I found is when he
Speaker 1: saw that I wasn't going to attack him, When he
Speaker 1: saw that, I legitimately wanted to understand. After he felt validated,
Speaker 1: I listened, I understood what he was saying. I repeated
Speaker 1: back to him what I heard. That was the validation.
Speaker 1: That was the validation. It's like, I get that, I
Speaker 1: understand how you, not being racist can feel attacked and
Speaker 1: assaulted by someone painting you with the blanket brush of
Speaker 1: racism without even knowing. You're just white, so you're racist.
Speaker 1: In the story, in his mind, he wasn't a Trumpster
Speaker 1: because he was racist. He didn't think of himself as
Speaker 1: a racist. The fact that I thought of him as
Speaker 1: a racist was offensive to him. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what. I get that. I can see how
Speaker 1: my assumption that that flag and your political affiliation, I
Speaker 1: get how that could be offensive. That I am assuming
Speaker 1: that you're a certain kind of person. I get that,
Speaker 1: I understand that it's not my intention to paint you
Speaker 1: with that brush without actually knowing who you are. I
Speaker 1: can see how that could be offensive. But what happened
Speaker 1: is we got to that point. Then he was open
Speaker 1: to hear some of my experiences without me listening, understanding
Speaker 1: what he was saying, validating the parts of it that
Speaker 1: I believe are true. He would have never even been
Speaker 1: open to hear my experience. So the process of understanding,
Speaker 1: the process of listening, understanding, and validating is how you
Speaker 1: open people to hear your side of the story. But
Speaker 1: what was his response when you shared your experience? Did
Speaker 1: you feel like he had the same understanding the way
Speaker 1: you understood him. Do you that he in turn was
Speaker 1: able to listen and understand your I felt like he
Speaker 1: he heard me clearly. I felt like he believed me,
Speaker 1: But he didn't have the emotional experience. He didn't experience that.
Speaker 1: But we had created an environment where we didn't argue
Speaker 1: and fight, and ultimately separate and a disheremonious position. We
Speaker 1: were able to go back to work in a way
Speaker 1: that at a minimum, we were both opened up to
Speaker 1: the possibility of deeper understanding, which to me, evolving our
Speaker 1: understanding and evolving our perceptions, evolving our consciousness is all
Speaker 1: we're trying to do. And it's really difficult to do
Speaker 1: that by punching people in the phase. Yeah, I get that,
Speaker 1: and listen, I know how to fight, right so if it,
Speaker 1: if it go down, I like my chances against most people.
Speaker 1: I just learned that you really can't create peace with Hey,
Speaker 1: you're like you, you can't create peace with violence. And
Speaker 1: as as difficult as it is to open up our
Speaker 1: hearts and try to find the humanity in the other person,
Speaker 1: that person is suffering. That person is struggling in the
Speaker 1: same ways that you are. That person has family members
Speaker 1: that are dying. That person has all of the same
Speaker 1: stuff you're going through. You gotta admit, though, that when
Speaker 1: we are in the atmosphere that is running rampant through
Speaker 1: the nation right now, that it's extremely difficult, extremely difficult
Speaker 1: to have to try to stop and have understanding. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was extremely difficult, absolutely, I personally don't see another option.
Speaker 1: The other option is a deterioration into full civil war,
Speaker 1: full race war. We're on the cusp of a room
Speaker 1: absolutely and in our country, and I I'm trying to
Speaker 1: not make it political. I wanted because to me, this
Speaker 1: is not a political situation as much as it's a
Speaker 1: spiritual and emotional situation. I love the phrase hate the sin,
Speaker 1: not the center. It's the power of non violent resistance.
Speaker 1: That's what the power is of non violent resistance, right
Speaker 1: That's what's the beauty of what we've been seeing in
Speaker 1: the majority of non violent protest as the non violent
Speaker 1: part of it is what leaves the opening as soon
Speaker 1: as it deteriorates into violence and everybody gets scared. Now
Speaker 1: there's people are you either fight or you separate. But
Speaker 1: we've seen this for years and over and over again.
Speaker 1: We've seen how the non violence protesters get then get
Speaker 1: attacked with violence. And so I understand the concept, and
Speaker 1: I understand the need for it. It just seems so
Speaker 1: unattainable right now. So for me, as far as being unattainable,
Speaker 1: I realized that I have to do my part. One
Speaker 1: of the first things I started doing is going through
Speaker 1: my own life because I was like, I can't be
Speaker 1: a hypocrite going out in the street talking about this.
Speaker 1: And then I had a situation where I hadn't spoken
Speaker 1: to Janet Hubert in twenty seven years, So for me,
Speaker 1: that was one of the first things and cleansing my
Speaker 1: heart looking at my life and where I had personal
Speaker 1: intimate situations where I wasn't practicing loving kindness, and that
Speaker 1: was one of the things, the first things that when
Speaker 1: I went and sat down with Janet Hubert, and it
Speaker 1: was so beautiful and it was so cleansing, and one
Speaker 1: of the first things I said to her was, I
Speaker 1: don't know your story. I was living a completely different
Speaker 1: story when we were arguing and fighting. And I opened
Speaker 1: it with, please tell me your story. Please tell me
Speaker 1: what you were experiencing. And that was the listening. That
Speaker 1: was the listening part. And then as she talked, then
Speaker 1: I understood the pain and I understood the suffering and
Speaker 1: even the parts of it that I had caused unconsciously.
Speaker 1: And then I validated the that you know what I
Speaker 1: can see where that was excruciating and I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: have been a part of that kind of pain in
Speaker 1: your life. That's not my intention it's not who I need,
Speaker 1: not who I want to be, and that's not the
Speaker 1: kind of person that I'm trying to be in this world.
Speaker 1: I know that I actually talked to you about this
Speaker 1: and another kitchen conversation that, interestingly enough, keeps leading us
Speaker 1: back to or keeps leading me back to um trying
Speaker 1: to live my life more compassionately. I had a horrible
Speaker 1: situation that happened with myself and someone who I care
Speaker 1: for deeply, and I said some really hurtful things to
Speaker 1: that person. Now I'm in the position that I potentially
Speaker 1: have done irreparable damage to this relationship. But what it
Speaker 1: always brings me back to is me. Absolutely, it always
Speaker 1: brings me back to me because the one I'm the
Speaker 1: only person that I can change, and I'm the one
Speaker 1: who needs to be to want to change. I'm the
Speaker 1: one that I have to concentrate on and just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how do I live life in a
Speaker 1: compassionate way. I had some deep conversation with Jada and
Speaker 1: then I did I watch you guys, and I see
Speaker 1: what you guys do, and I did the same thing
Speaker 1: because Jada does it too. She'll cut herself off and
Speaker 1: be with herself and get into study and listening and reading.
Speaker 1: And I did that. I came home that weekend and
Speaker 1: I just started getting into some spiritual work, some meditation,
Speaker 1: which is very difficult for me, meditation very difficult, but
Speaker 1: really listening to some spiritual guides. And I realized was
Speaker 1: that I number one and not living mindfully. There's so
Speaker 1: much going on in my life all this My phone
Speaker 1: is in my hand all the time, like I'm not
Speaker 1: even paying attention to what is going on around me,
Speaker 1: how people are feeling, what people are going through. I'm
Speaker 1: just running my mouth, just coming out of my mouth
Speaker 1: that I'm not even paying attention to the circumstances, what
Speaker 1: the person may be going through. I'm all up in
Speaker 1: my head with my judgments and the way I think.
Speaker 1: So that's the same thing when we talk about attack
Speaker 1: and defense. Right when you're out, it's all outflow. Everything
Speaker 1: is outflow. Everything is about what you want, Everything is
Speaker 1: about satiating and gratifying your needs. So that, in a sense,
Speaker 1: is a gentle form of the concept of attack and defense.
Speaker 1: I want X, so I'm gonna go get it. And
Speaker 1: if you're in the way, you are an obstacle. And
Speaker 1: if you're doing something, then I'm gonna defend myself against
Speaker 1: you trying to prevent me from having what I want.
Speaker 1: So the what I'm advocating for in that process of
Speaker 1: pausing for a minute is to just pay attention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm missing a lot of times.
Speaker 1: Can you just be still for a minute, as simple
Speaker 1: as think before you speak. I mean, it's not this
Speaker 1: thing before you speak. I want to go back to
Speaker 1: something you said that relationship being irreparable. I used to
Speaker 1: believe that. I no longer believe that any relationship is irreparable.
Speaker 1: As long as both people are still a live I
Speaker 1: don't believe that the relationship is irreparable. I believe that
Speaker 1: people are craving loving kindness so bad, People are starving
Speaker 1: so hard for just gentle care right that, when properly
Speaker 1: applied two even the most degraded minds. I believe that
Speaker 1: loving kindness has a magical effect when you are authentically
Speaker 1: have a deep concern for someone's well being, if you
Speaker 1: can create the environment that's common enough for that to
Speaker 1: get communicated. I don't there's very few minds that can
Speaker 1: resist pure, genuine care and concern for their well being. Right.
Speaker 1: But in understanding that, I too recognize that I decided
Speaker 1: that I could not make that my focus. I couldn't
Speaker 1: make repairing the relationship the focus. It's not really about
Speaker 1: because unfortunately she was in the path of my chaos,
Speaker 1: and it's I'm unfortunate that she got hurt as a result.
Speaker 1: But what it did do was, like I said, put
Speaker 1: the focus on me. So I feel like I have
Speaker 1: to do the work on me, and then when I
Speaker 1: do come back into her life, I will come back differently.
Speaker 1: But I think initially I was just worried about Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want her to feel like I'm just being phony,
Speaker 1: that I'm not being real, that I'm not being honest
Speaker 1: with my with my intent, And so I had to
Speaker 1: put all of that aside and just continue to do
Speaker 1: work that I need to do on myself and just
Speaker 1: pray that when the time is right, the relationship will heal.
Speaker 1: Over time, when we heal ourselves all of our relationships.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that makes sense to me. So we cleansing
Speaker 1: our own internal poisons, I think is a big part
Speaker 1: of being able to create harmonious relationships. And as I
Speaker 1: look at the world right now and this there's such
Speaker 1: a major fight for correcting systems. And we're fighting so
Speaker 1: hard to correct systems, and I'm like, the problems in
Speaker 1: the hearts and minds of Americans, I know that's that's
Speaker 1: we don't we can't wait for that. We absolutely can't
Speaker 1: wait for that. We have to be able to change
Speaker 1: the systems that are in place right now. It's like
Speaker 1: with the concept of interacting with police officers. And I
Speaker 1: did a ride along with L A. P. D. And
Speaker 1: I sat in the back of a police car and
Speaker 1: I ducked down and I wrote around in a police
Speaker 1: car and seuf Los Angeles for six hours. And the
Speaker 1: problems are beyond anything that most of us could even imagine.
Speaker 1: The the level of psychological and mental abuse on both
Speaker 1: sides renders the situations deeply volatile and almost unworkable without
Speaker 1: a new skill set. Like there is an educational process.
Speaker 1: There is a massive change that needs to needs to occur,
Speaker 1: But a big part of the change is in the
Speaker 1: hearts and the mind of people. And which do you
Speaker 1: think is going to be easier. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: evolution of human beings, right and where it comes. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, when it really came back to for me
Speaker 1: when I looked at at the situation and when I
Speaker 1: finally realized I just had to do my part. And
Speaker 1: all I could do is I had to create a
Speaker 1: situation in my home. I had to solve all the
Speaker 1: issues in my home, and I had to build myself
Speaker 1: and I had to become Oh, it was a great
Speaker 1: thing we were talking about with the I think we
Speaker 1: talked about it before with the Buddha. Was was was he said, Um, great,
Speaker 1: people have to wake up every day and empty the
Speaker 1: ocean with the ladle, right, and speaking of the ocean
Speaker 1: of misery that people are experiencing, and you just wake
Speaker 1: up every day and you take your little ladle out
Speaker 1: to the ocean and you just try to scoop as
Speaker 1: much misery out as you possibly can. And that one
Speaker 1: really hit me because that's what it feels like sometimes
Speaker 1: and just in your own household, like, yeah, well, when
Speaker 1: you look out into the world and I want to
Speaker 1: be a light, I want to be a positive force
Speaker 1: for goodness and love, and I want to be a
Speaker 1: part of the solution, but sometimes it can be painful
Speaker 1: and overwhelming. I think sometimes I don't give myself any
Speaker 1: credit when I just even look back on my relationship
Speaker 1: with Rodney. Rodney is my husband to the audience, we
Speaker 1: have done some real work. Relationships take work, and you
Speaker 1: have take the decision about whether it's worth it for
Speaker 1: you or not. And and when you're talking about being
Speaker 1: able to listen and understand the other person's point of view,
Speaker 1: Rodney is probably better editing. But I am getting better
Speaker 1: with that, and I think that is the basis of
Speaker 1: why our relationship works so well, because he does listen
Speaker 1: and he does try to understand, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do the same. It's got to be a given take
Speaker 1: in that. Once again, we come back to you are
Speaker 1: the only person that you can change. Gandhi. Be the
Speaker 1: change you want to see. Yeah, be the change you
Speaker 1: want to see. Ye do unto others as you would
Speaker 1: have them do unto you. It's not really more complicated
Speaker 1: than that, really, isn't. All the spiritual practices basically are
Speaker 1: ain't the same thing. Read that stuff all day long.
Speaker 1: If you're not going to truly try to incorporate them
Speaker 1: in your life and live differently, then the results are
Speaker 1: going to be the same. And it is extremely difficult
Speaker 1: because it's not the ideas that are in the foundations
Speaker 1: of our everyday interactions, that we are actually functioning. And
Speaker 1: at the core of the establishment of of our country
Speaker 1: was the concept of attacking defense, you know, and what
Speaker 1: we're what we're really trying to do, and this time
Speaker 1: and this next generation that there's an evolution, There's there's
Speaker 1: an evolution in consciousness and perception that's trying to happen
Speaker 1: right now. And when I look at these times, as
Speaker 1: difficult as they are, and as dark as they feel,
Speaker 1: and as dangerous as they are, what's really happening is
Speaker 1: the problems are coming to the surface in a way
Speaker 1: that we can deal with them. So as much as
Speaker 1: it feels backwards and as scary as the times are,
Speaker 1: this is the pain of us having to cleanse our country.
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be a huge Yeah, it's a huge
Speaker 1: opportunity if we take advantage of it. Yes, And that's
Speaker 1: the part that I feel that I'm called to be
Speaker 1: a part of the solution for Black America. We've never
Speaker 1: been here before. The entire world has acknowledged our plight.
Speaker 1: And even as going back to the listen understand, validate,
Speaker 1: we couldn't even get people to listen for for hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of years listening and their understanding, and they're
Speaker 1: validating it as true. And we're in a new place.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute necessity to sustain, to maintain, and to
Speaker 1: elevate the new position that we are in the world.
Speaker 1: African Americans traveled the world for years trying to get
Speaker 1: support for the plight of African American citizens, and now,
Speaker 1: for the first time in history, the world has acknowledged
Speaker 1: protests in Japan, in Italy and France. We are in
Speaker 1: a position of opportunity that we've never been in before
Speaker 1: in this country. And the question is will we make
Speaker 1: the shift in consciousness that solidifies the position? And I
Speaker 1: just I want to I want to be a part
Speaker 1: of that. I believe, really firmly that a deeper, intimate
Speaker 1: comprehension of our fellow citizens is and will be at
Speaker 1: the center of being able to capitalize and grow the
Speaker 1: new perception that we're seen in globally. Okay, moving on
Speaker 1: to our segment, wouldn't you like to know where you
Speaker 1: answer three rapid fire questions with the first phrase that
Speaker 1: comes to your mind. My first question to you is
Speaker 1: what book are you reading right now? I'm usually reading
Speaker 1: two or three at one time. So there's I just discovered.
Speaker 1: Uh it's called Spiritual Warriors two by a guy named
Speaker 1: buck Ta Swamy, and it's he's talking about transitioning from
Speaker 1: lust to love, and it's not specifically less. He's talking
Speaker 1: about lust for in the broadest term, lust for money,
Speaker 1: lust for fame, lust for sex, and how you transition
Speaker 1: from lust to love. And his theory is that all
Speaker 1: of the situations that you come in contact with in
Speaker 1: the world is the school of love. So everything that
Speaker 1: you're presented with is your opportunity to practice learning how
Speaker 1: to be loving and kind in that situation. So it's
Speaker 1: really it's it's called Spiritual Warriors two. Okay, cool, alright,
Speaker 1: what's a model that you live by? It's fine. That's
Speaker 1: so interesting. So in the last few years I have
Speaker 1: shifted my mottel I used to live by during my
Speaker 1: eyes as an actor, I used to live by is
Speaker 1: the same as zero and I have yes, and I've
Speaker 1: I've realized the gentle insanity of that. You know, I
Speaker 1: grow with that. That was my father was military and
Speaker 1: all that, and I lived by that for a long
Speaker 1: time and I saw the scorched earth I left in
Speaker 1: my personal life with that one and the new motto
Speaker 1: really similar to what we've we've been talking about. The
Speaker 1: new motto that I'm trying to live by is everybody
Speaker 1: is suffering, so help them. Wow. And it's so simple.
Speaker 1: And but let me ask you do you feel like?
Speaker 1: And see, I'm getting based on a whole new conversation. Listen,
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to shut dawn. Whenever I'm talking to you,
Speaker 1: always leave the back end of my day open for
Speaker 1: two reasons. One we might keep talking to the second reason,
Speaker 1: you might piss me off so bad. I'll just need
Speaker 1: some time by myself. I forgot my questions. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're spending so much, if that's your model, are
Speaker 1: you taking away from your from focus on yourself by
Speaker 1: focusing so much on other people? Trying to help other
Speaker 1: people so much that you're distracted from your own work.
Speaker 1: So I've been I've been working a lot with Ja
Speaker 1: Shetty for the past a few months. I've been studying
Speaker 1: the Bucket Gita and Hinduism, and the basic idea is
Speaker 1: the first half of your day is for you and
Speaker 1: the second half of your day is for others. I've
Speaker 1: been really working to structure my days. I've been waking
Speaker 1: up really early so I can have time for me.
Speaker 1: I'm usually up early anyway, but usually from I'm awake
Speaker 1: from four am to six am, and that's my me time.
Speaker 1: And then when I go out into the world, I
Speaker 1: try to apply my motto and it's with my family,
Speaker 1: and it's with my friends, and it's with my work associates,
Speaker 1: and it's you have to be as close to half
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. Half your waking hours or for you,
Speaker 1: half your waking hours are for others. Yeah, And something
Speaker 1: that I have to say that I've noticed, I don't
Speaker 1: know how long it's been, maybe the past a couple
Speaker 1: of months, maybe since COVID hit, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you seem to be very in tune to people's energy,
Speaker 1: how they enter a room. Maybe it's there being expression
Speaker 1: on their face. And I find that very intuitive because
Speaker 1: but that's also part of being able to being mindful,
Speaker 1: just being attuned and in tune with what's going on
Speaker 1: with everybody around you. And for me, it was probably
Speaker 1: eight years ago, was when I got to the point
Speaker 1: where I had everything that I had ever set out
Speaker 1: to have in the material world. I've built everything that
Speaker 1: I want. I've been to the top of the mountain
Speaker 1: of the material world. I've made as much money as
Speaker 1: I wanted to make, had as much sex as I
Speaker 1: wanted to have, I've had as much fame I've done.
Speaker 1: I have exhausted the material world, and it still didn't
Speaker 1: leave me happy. And I just was starting to be
Speaker 1: deeply unfulfilled by stuff. Yeah, and that's really import and
Speaker 1: that you say that, because people believe that money is
Speaker 1: the key to everything, and it's not like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: there's there's no external material circumstance that can quench that
Speaker 1: thirst you're trying to quench on the inside. And right
Speaker 1: now is the most happy and fulfilled that I've ever
Speaker 1: been in my life. And a big part of that
Speaker 1: for me is the recognition that I am a servant
Speaker 1: m hm. So you walk in the room in the morning,
Speaker 1: and it's my divine job to make sure you're okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to help in whatever way that I
Speaker 1: can possibly help. And some things I may not be
Speaker 1: blessed with what it is that you need. Then I'll
Speaker 1: call somebody else and I'll try to help. But my
Speaker 1: deepest pleasure is helping people find fulfillment. And for the
Speaker 1: most part, most people are living in a deep mental anguish,
Speaker 1: so is you're just doing triage, you know. And then
Speaker 1: beyond that, when you can get the condition elevated, then
Speaker 1: there's new ideas and new wisdom, and there's the uprooting
Speaker 1: of some of the ideas that are causing pain. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's the the hard part for people
Speaker 1: to realize that most of the pain you're experiencing, you're
Speaker 1: actually causing. Yeah, you know, there's some portion of it.
Speaker 1: You gotta let go of ideas that cause you suffering.
Speaker 1: Last question, one thing you want to get off your chest.
Speaker 1: I want to see people being able to recognize the
Speaker 1: humanity of your enemy. I want people to be able
Speaker 1: to recognize and to see bad behavior as a recognition
Speaker 1: that a person has been unloved and uncared for. They're
Speaker 1: behaving badly because they've been treated badly. When you look
Speaker 1: at someone who felt loved and felt cared for and
Speaker 1: felt nurtured, they don't act like Donald Trump. You only
Speaker 1: act like that if you've been abused. How will us
Speaker 1: recognizing that though in our oppressors, going to help us
Speaker 1: change what's going on in the nation. Though right now
Speaker 1: I totally get that, I really do. I just feel
Speaker 1: like the change that you want to see is gonna
Speaker 1: be such a slow process. I just don't see. And
Speaker 1: this situation that we're in right now is immediate, like
Speaker 1: change needs to happen now. So I don't feel like
Speaker 1: understanding that LUV is gonna work. And that's when you
Speaker 1: use my acronym. Okay, you just so you said, is
Speaker 1: that you that, oh LUV, I don't see her. We're
Speaker 1: gonna play that. We're gonna play it back for you.
Speaker 1: We can play it back so you can hear the
Speaker 1: tone with what you said. I was kind enough to
Speaker 1: come and see. This is why it don't work. That's
Speaker 1: right here, it's why it don't work. But okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So to me, to me, let's put it. Put him simply,
Speaker 1: it's like surrender. It is surrender. And to me, that
Speaker 1: is a weakness that we can't afford right now. We
Speaker 1: just can't afford that. And I feel like we've done that.
Speaker 1: We're not fitting to do that anymore. Okay, And you
Speaker 1: went to fitting on me. We're not fitting. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about not fighting. I'm talking about adding a
Speaker 1: deeper understanding you're fighting so you can fight better. Got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: makes sense. Blind, We're not talking about physical fighting people.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about talking about physical We're talking about
Speaker 1: creating a positive change in our country. Okay, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense and that seems due. Yes, And I'm saying
Speaker 1: that creating a positive change in our country is going
Speaker 1: to demand higher, more intricate understanding of our of these
Speaker 1: and in the process of that. So Jada always hates
Speaker 1: what I say. It like this, I say, ignorance and
Speaker 1: evil are twin cousins, and she said, there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as twin cousin. I was like, I just I
Speaker 1: just like saying it. But ignorance and evil look almost identical,
Speaker 1: except ignorance is curable and evil is not. So when
Speaker 1: you are addressing an enemy, you just want to know
Speaker 1: if you're addressing ignorance or people, because it's two totally
Speaker 1: different approaches. The problem is they look so much alike
Speaker 1: you just want to just kill it. But like someone,
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable in nature when I see animals, I don't
Speaker 1: understand because I don't know what changers, so I want
Speaker 1: to I'll hit anything that comes near me. And I
Speaker 1: just think that there's a higher level of interacting with
Speaker 1: the world if you can elevate your perception, if you
Speaker 1: can elevate your understanding of the people and the situations
Speaker 1: that are in front of you. And it's something I've
Speaker 1: personally had success with and I know it don't sound
Speaker 1: right on a podcast, but I'm I'm definitely going to
Speaker 1: develop this concept and figure out how to be in
Speaker 1: the world helping people to cultivate higher understanding of each
Speaker 1: other's humanity, and that in turn will help us treat
Speaker 1: one another better. So I believe deeply from personal experience
Speaker 1: that the moment where you legitimate lead, put aside what
Speaker 1: you want, what you think, and what you feel, and
Speaker 1: open yourself to a deeper comprehension of what's going on
Speaker 1: with the other person and just put it and you're
Speaker 1: you're not giving it up forever. You just put it
Speaker 1: aside long enough to uproot your false conclusions, because that's
Speaker 1: the problem. We all have these false conclusions that are
Speaker 1: masquerading as understanding. Right, So I need you to be
Speaker 1: able to go to the White House in the Senate
Speaker 1: and have this conversation there. We're gonna end up there.
Speaker 1: You guys don't know, but I'm always pulling Will and
Speaker 1: Jada into these long, deep conversations in the kitchen because
Speaker 1: this is where I get information and understanding, and this
Speaker 1: is I get the sounding board that I never had
Speaker 1: when I was young. And really, in so many, so
Speaker 1: many times, you guys have saved me from disaster. I'd
Speaker 1: lie to you, Doc, I just I want to say
Speaker 1: that cultivating a legitimate, authentic care and concern for everybody's
Speaker 1: well being is magical. Yeah, And things that may seem
Speaker 1: like they'll take forever, I think we'd be surprised how
Speaker 1: quickly things can change when you hold your heart in
Speaker 1: a space of loving openness to the fact that there's
Speaker 1: a human being across the table from you, there's a
Speaker 1: human being walking up to your car, there's a human
Speaker 1: being in the restaurant. Like being open to the idea
Speaker 1: that everybody, every single person you walk past, is suffering.
Speaker 1: Everybody's having a hard time. Everybody is going through, if
Speaker 1: not identical, very similar pains and problems and difficulties that
Speaker 1: you're going through everybody. You're not going to walk past
Speaker 1: a single person today who's not having a hard time.
Speaker 1: And when you can just open to that humanity, just briefly,
Speaker 1: you can get a little bit past the bad behavior
Speaker 1: that you might be coming in contact with that person.
Speaker 1: The bad behavior is always a reflection of their suffering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this is part of my issue, is how
Speaker 1: can our understanding keep our opponents from hurting and killing us? Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the Gandhi Martin Luther King belief system
Speaker 1: that is excruciating, and you have to believe that your
Speaker 1: non violence and your loving kindness will ultimately penetrate their hearts.
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. The whole point of nonviolence, the whole
Speaker 1: point of what he was saying, the whole point of
Speaker 1: the spiritual belief system was when you see yourself on
Speaker 1: television sicking dogs on unarmed people, your heart will be transformed.
Speaker 1: And that is the magical belief system of non violence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's the problem. It feels very magical because it's
Speaker 1: not what's happening, and it's not what we're experiencing. Because
Speaker 1: now we're right back here again. That happened all the
Speaker 1: way back in the sixties, and now we're right back
Speaker 1: here again, and the non violence has is continuously being
Speaker 1: met with violence absolutely so. So I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: there's no time to punch somebody in their face. There
Speaker 1: absolutely is a time to bust somebody in their face.
Speaker 1: It's just not every time you're confronted with an issue.
Speaker 1: And I'm only suggesting that individually and collectively we continue
Speaker 1: to elevate the precision of our perceptions to know which
Speaker 1: moment is which I fear you. But for me, it
Speaker 1: just feels like, here we go again. We're always the
Speaker 1: one having to surrender. It's always the black people, us
Speaker 1: as black people, having to surrender. Two the viciousness known
Speaker 1: as racism. And it just seems, uh, it's frustrating. It
Speaker 1: is wildly and promise you that I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: I haven't run into a Karen. I promise you it
Speaker 1: will not go well. All right, So there's to me,
Speaker 1: there's different things, right. So it's one thing when you're
Speaker 1: in physical danger. So when you're in physical danger, do
Speaker 1: whatever you have to do. If someone is physically threatening,
Speaker 1: you do whatever you have to do. You just meg,
Speaker 1: you're just slipping this woman in her face, that can't
Speaker 1: beat you anyway, that wasn't even gonna try to put
Speaker 1: her hands on you. Yeah, I just you know, I
Speaker 1: think that there's an educational process across the board that
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of it. If anybody
Speaker 1: can be salvaged, I want to be a part of
Speaker 1: salvaging them. Yeah, because you know I'm serious. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, you do have to allow people room
Speaker 1: to change and grow. Really different from asking that for myself. Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely do unto others as you would have them do
Speaker 1: unto you. Yeah, And I'm basically asking people to allow
Speaker 1: me the opportunity to be better. So if I want
Speaker 1: to do that, if I want people to do that
Speaker 1: for me, I have to be willing to do that
Speaker 1: for others. Wow. That was a revelation for myself. Seriously, seriously. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still feel like the onus still seems to be
Speaker 1: on us, and that's kind of my issue. As a
Speaker 1: general rule, the onus of your life is always on you.
Speaker 1: The onus is on you period, in your marriage, in
Speaker 1: your family, and all of your relationships. Because you're you,
Speaker 1: the onus is always completely, totally and only on you.
Speaker 1: We couldn't possibly expect White America to fix the problem.
Speaker 1: They created it. So disagree with that. I so disagree
Speaker 1: with that they created it. White people created the situation.
Speaker 1: It is not for black people to fix. It's for
Speaker 1: them to fix. Okay, So you're my mother in law,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna respond respectfully because I love you and
Speaker 1: I don't want Jada to not talk to me because
Speaker 1: I talked to you. But Camp, so that's disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I disagree wholeheartedly. But let me talk. Let me talk, gam,
Speaker 1: let me because that's part of the problem with our
Speaker 1: families that you won't listen to me. I did a
Speaker 1: piece on put up on my Instagram about fault and responsibility. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's not somebody's fault that there father was an
Speaker 1: abusive alcronim. It's not their fault. But if for damn
Speaker 1: sure is their responsibility to fix it so they can
Speaker 1: put together a life for themselves. Fault and responsibility. As
Speaker 1: much as you want them to go together, they don't
Speaker 1: go together. That will. But they still have all the power.
Speaker 1: But a gam you can wish for the majority of
Speaker 1: the power. You can wish as much as you want.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to fix it but us. It's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. It's I feel like it's up Yes, it's
Speaker 1: up to us to come up with the resolutions that
Speaker 1: we want, the change that we want to happen, but
Speaker 1: they still have the power to put those changes in place.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense. I just think that's a dangerous
Speaker 1: way to look at it. I just I think I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do well, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking too literally from the from this perspective
Speaker 1: of law and policy and all of that. We have
Speaker 1: to vote to put the people in that we want in.
Speaker 1: If you have to change the the African American voting power,
Speaker 1: if we all especially on the local level, like on
Speaker 1: the local level, you can have whoever you want in charge.
Speaker 1: And it's we have to understand the system. It's that's
Speaker 1: an illusion that we don't have power. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that didn't really mean it that way. It's
Speaker 1: like we have to exercise again. And as I was
Speaker 1: talking about cultivating the under the understanding that we have
Speaker 1: to exercise the power that's right in front of us,
Speaker 1: and it's we don't even thoroughly understand how the government works.
Speaker 1: But I don't just think that's a black people issue.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take it. There a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the world that don't understand. Absolutely. I'm just saying it,
Speaker 1: and and I'm looking at it from a spiritual level
Speaker 1: more than from a political level. I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: spiritually and psychologically. Is you have to take full one
Speaker 1: hundred responsibility for your current situation. That's where the ultimate
Speaker 1: power is taking responsibility is the power. If you relinquish
Speaker 1: responsibility and is somebody else's job to fix it, you
Speaker 1: lose all your power. It has to be your personal responsibility.
Speaker 1: Two heal the world, you have to take it on personally,
Speaker 1: and so you don't feel like they have any responsible
Speaker 1: ability or any I think it's thinking to heal what
Speaker 1: they have created. I think it's a dangerous mindset to
Speaker 1: expect the person that hurt you to fix it. Wow,
Speaker 1: I think you should fix it. I just don't agree
Speaker 1: with that. I don't see how we can leave them
Speaker 1: totally out of the equation. I'm not saying leaving them
Speaker 1: out of the equation. I'm saying fault and responsibility don't
Speaker 1: go together. I think that is a wishful way of
Speaker 1: thinking that the person who spilled the thing should clean
Speaker 1: it up. What if they say, no, we're gonna leave
Speaker 1: it there. But it's fault and responsibility, and I know
Speaker 1: it's so excruciating. Things can be other people's fault. So
Speaker 1: essentially the question is the major human question is how
Speaker 1: do you manage interacting with defiled and degraded insane minds
Speaker 1: that you're con run it with somebody who's insane, and
Speaker 1: the question is what do you do that? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: so terrible they were they've been abused, but now they
Speaker 1: are in front of you and their mind is broken
Speaker 1: and they're dangerous, So what do you do? So there
Speaker 1: are a couple there are levels of how you managed
Speaker 1: the confrontation with a defiled mind. So you can run,
Speaker 1: you can, you can just you can get away from him, right, um.
Speaker 1: You can subdue them, you can render them unable to
Speaker 1: hurt you. You can punch them in the face, you
Speaker 1: can do whatever. You can have them removed, you can
Speaker 1: have them taken away, you can have them put in jail,
Speaker 1: you can lock up the defiled mind. And then there's
Speaker 1: the magical space of transforming the mind, of transforming the heart,
Speaker 1: transforming the energy. So all of the levels have different application. Right,
Speaker 1: getting away definitely works. Subduing somebody, you bust them in
Speaker 1: their face, you knock them down. They're gonna think again.
Speaker 1: Next time you move somebody away. You haven't removed. You
Speaker 1: have somebody put in jail that can work. The least used,
Speaker 1: the most sustainable, most powerful, most magical is transforming the
Speaker 1: false perceptions of the mind. There's a skill set that
Speaker 1: go into the There's there's an artistry to transforming the mind,
Speaker 1: and it's the highest of all of the ways to
Speaker 1: be able to interact. We are addicted as human beings
Speaker 1: at this level of consciousness. We are addicted to subduing
Speaker 1: and imprisoning minds people ideas that we don't agree with.
Speaker 1: So we're addicted to violence in all of its forms, verbal, psychological, physical.
Speaker 1: We are addicted to dealing with degraded minds by meeting
Speaker 1: them with brutality and abuse. I just don't understand how
Speaker 1: I can take this concept and feel better when I
Speaker 1: look at a George Floyd, when I look at a
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, I look at Sandra blank like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that there's a resolution for myself
Speaker 1: and in that with this concept, it's just too There's
Speaker 1: a responsibility there, and that responsibility is on the police
Speaker 1: officers who committed the crime. There's a responsibility for the
Speaker 1: systemic racism in the world, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: that's where my disconnected is, that's where my struggle is.
Speaker 1: That makes a concept just seems so esoteric, and so
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's certainly something a goal to reach for,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like it's going to help much
Speaker 1: in getting us to a place of understanding and a
Speaker 1: place of healing as a nation right now. I just
Speaker 1: think it's too too far away. So then it just
Speaker 1: comes back to the only you can do is work
Speaker 1: on yourself, you know. But it doesn't give me a
Speaker 1: whole lot of hope. It doesn't give me a whole
Speaker 1: lot of hope when when I look at those kinds
Speaker 1: of circumstances and just in the state that the nation
Speaker 1: is in right now, where we really are on the
Speaker 1: brink of a civil war, I feel so I guess
Speaker 1: that's that's the frustration. But I guess we could just
Speaker 1: go on and on with that and not really I
Speaker 1: think it's not something that can be resolved in exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It's very simple. Your behavior is either loving or it's unloving.
Speaker 1: And when I look at behavior, I recognize unloving behaviors
Speaker 1: behavior that's not gonna work, and loving behavior as behavior
Speaker 1: here that will save our country home. When I look
Speaker 1: at the George Floyd situation, that is unloving behavior that
Speaker 1: sets this country on fire. It can be really simple.
Speaker 1: Let's not elect leaders that don't have love in their hearts.
Speaker 1: Loveless leaders will destroy us all. And it's really not
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. If we put people in office
Speaker 1: that don't have love in their hearts, they're going to
Speaker 1: kill us all, period and the story right, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: And as connected to that, you can't demand that a
Speaker 1: leader have love in their hearts and you're not holding
Speaker 1: in yours. Yeah, thank you, Will for blessing us with
Speaker 1: your words of wisdom. Having you on here, you guys
Speaker 1: can follow well on all the socials at will Smith.
Speaker 1: And congrats on the reboot of The Freshman. Oh yeah
Speaker 1: that lessons We got some thanks coming, but y'all don't
Speaker 1: even know. I'm not we can that'd be a whole
Speaker 1: another podcast. All right, thank you. So these are my
Speaker 1: takeaways from my conversation with Will today. You are the
Speaker 1: only person that you can change, and change starts within.
Speaker 1: Number two, be still and think before you speak. Number three,
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