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Speaker 1: Hello, friends, I am Robert Evans, and this is yet

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. Now, my my guest for today's episode,

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Speaker 1: who is coming in cold to our tale about several

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Speaker 1: bastards is Sharne the Machine Lonnie Units. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: the first person to give you that nickname, but probably

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Speaker 1: or not. Now, you are a filmmaker whose work is

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Speaker 1: currently being featured at the Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art. Right,

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Speaker 1: it was in New York. Yet it wasn't New York.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't in New York. Yeah, that was cool. That

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Speaker 1: is very cool. Uh. And you are also the co

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Speaker 1: host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast on the Stuff Network,

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Speaker 1: the very network that we're all a part of. Correct,

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Speaker 1: So that's cool. Ye. How's it going? You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad to be here and must terrifying to be here.

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Speaker 1: Do you like conmen? Do I like conmon? I like

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Speaker 1: watching movies about conmons? Well, then you might like grifts.

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like a grift in my own life.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just a fraud. Yeah, that's how everyone

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Speaker 1: who gets to do what they like for living fields.

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Speaker 1: It's natural. Uh. Does the name Jacob Wohl mean anything

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Speaker 1: to you? You know, I've I've heard it about um,

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Speaker 1: but I could not tell you anything about it other

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Speaker 1: than he's white. He is white. Uh. And the working

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Speaker 1: title of this episode is a tale of two Grifters,

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Speaker 1: even though there's more than two grifters. I just know

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Speaker 1: I was trying trying to force it and trying to

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Speaker 1: force it all rights to talk about some grifters. So

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Speaker 1: grifters and common thrive in times of unrest and chaos.

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Speaker 1: This is obvious enough that I'm probably wasting a little

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Speaker 1: bit of my time by even saying it. The current

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Speaker 1: president of the United States is a man who ran

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Speaker 1: a fake university that defrauded thousands of people out of

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Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars. But we're not talking about

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Speaker 1: him today. Are subjects for this episode are grifters of

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Speaker 1: a much lower and a much sadder cast. Let's start

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Speaker 1: by talking about the Krassinstein brothers, Brian and Edward. You

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Speaker 1: know about these guys, please tell me together. They have

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Speaker 1: more than one point three million followers on Twitter, and

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Speaker 1: they operate a left wing media empire. Is not the

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Speaker 1: right word can I ask a question, Do they have

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Speaker 1: a shared Twitter? No, they have two different Twitters judging

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Speaker 1: very hardly, but they retweet everything each other says, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's really you know, your left wing, your right

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Speaker 1: wing or whatever. The Kress and Stein's are like the

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Speaker 1: shrillist and like least effective chunk of the there, like

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing that should have been played out

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Speaker 1: two years ago, but it's still. Yeah. They're crapulent. So

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Speaker 1: they're frequent and pacific's critics of President Donald Trump. As

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Speaker 1: of the writing of this episode, Bryan's Twitter image is

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Speaker 1: a graphic of an impeachment clock with the President's face

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Speaker 1: on it. So not a lot of subtlety. But starting

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand three, the Krests and Stein's worked

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Speaker 1: both of these sites were presented as independent aggregators of

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Speaker 1: different online investment programs. Basically, someone would visit moneymaker group

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Speaker 1: programs and whatnot. Most of what the Krassenstein brothers hawked

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Speaker 1: through their websites were what are called high yield investment

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Speaker 1: programs or hyaps. According to Investipedia, quote, high yield investment

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Speaker 1: program is a fraudulent investment scheme that purports to deliver

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily high returns on investment. High yield investment schemes often

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Speaker 1: in order to lure in victims. In reality, these high

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Speaker 1: yield investment programs are Ponzi schemes, and the organizers aim

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Speaker 1: tone towards high yield investment programs, calling them unregistered investments

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Speaker 1: typically run by unlicensed individuals that are often frauds, but

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Speaker 1: not always frauds. In an interview with The Daily Beast Ed,

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Speaker 1: The Crescent Stein Brothers defended themselves from charges of being

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Speaker 1: of course. In actuality, sites like talk gold dot com

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Speaker 1: The moderators would then move those high up threads into

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Speaker 1: they're scammers. They're scammers, yeah, or they're legally distinct from

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Speaker 1: literally tens of thousands of fraudulent investments. One of the

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Speaker 1: They took computers, financial records, and a bunch of other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Wol looks, in need of in need of a fist,

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Speaker 1: like he needs to be puss. I thought, why not

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Speaker 1: hush funds? Why don't you fucking funk yourself? Are you

425
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: kidding me? Also, the fact that he appeared on Fox News.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that telling enough? Yeah? Well, he appeared on a

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Speaker 1: lot of shows. I also watched another interview that Vice

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Speaker 1: did with him. In this interview, Will argued that the

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Speaker 1: capital requirements on hedge fund investors were too high and

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Speaker 1: that's why the rich keep getting richer because poor people

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Speaker 1: aren't allowed to invest in hedge funds, which seems to

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Speaker 1: me him basically saying I should be to trick poor

433
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Speaker 1: people who aren't as financially literate into taking their money,

434
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Speaker 1: and like, you can do this too, I can help. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: that's what I do want to say. I feel like

436
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Speaker 1: I get in trouble on my podcast for saying funk

437
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Speaker 1: a lot, and I don't get taken as seriously. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to not say funk as much. What

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00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: if I just say funck a bunch of times and

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00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 1: that way, Yeah, well that way. If anyone doesn't take

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Speaker 1: you seriously for saying fun then it's just sexism. There's

442
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: no getting those people on board either way. I like this, warright,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say fuck seven times. Let's do it. Fuck

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Speaker 1: fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Let's sucking like three fucking,

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Speaker 1: fucking fucking great cool. Alright, We're good. Alright, let's roll on, okay.

446
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Speaker 1: So um, so yeah, that's why Jacob Bowle thinks that

447
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: rich keep getting richer in the poor keep getting poores

448
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: because poor people can invest in hedge funds. That's what

449
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: they're thinking. So in pretty much every TV appearance he did,

450
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: it was noted by someone that his nickname was the

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00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: Wool of Wall Street. Barf. Barf is the only response

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Speaker 1: to that. Now. In the Vice interview when they brought

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Speaker 1: this up, he assures the interviewer that he doesn't like

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Speaker 1: that nickname. He actually hates it. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: run a clip from that Vice interview and see Jacob

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Speaker 1: responding to talk of his nickname. So here's the clip

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Speaker 1: from Vice titled Meet the teen finance Guru who makes

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Speaker 1: more money than you st How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: I think that most of the behavior you see in

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Speaker 1: that movie is completely reprehensible. It plays a bunch of

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Speaker 1: clips from the thing. So he's he's anti the Wolf

462
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Speaker 1: of Wall Street in the interview and he says that,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's gross what they did, and it's gross.

464
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Speaker 1: Don't call me that. Don't call me that, but also

465
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Speaker 1: keep calling me that, Yeah, it becomes very clear throughout

466
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Speaker 1: his life that that's actually exactly how he wants to

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Speaker 1: be seen. Uh. In two thousand seventeen, Jacob Wole interviewed

468
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Speaker 1: Jordan Belfort, the actual Wolf of Wall Street, for his

469
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Speaker 1: podcast Offended America. In the podcast, he reveals a deep

470
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Speaker 1: familiarity with Belfort's writing and ideas, and it's pretty clear

471
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: to me that in fact, there's nothing will once more

472
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Speaker 1: than to be seen as his successor. Uh. Back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, as the presidential election heated up, Jacob

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Speaker 1: will continue to show up on financial news shows. He

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Speaker 1: quickly pivoted to identifying as a Trump supporter and became

476
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Speaker 1: known for claiming on TV that huge numbers of young

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Speaker 1: people were secret Donald Trump fans. Uh. Just for some

478
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Speaker 1: reference and estimated of millennials voted for Donald Trump, which

479
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Speaker 1: is the same percentage of millennials who voted for Mitt

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Speaker 1: Romney in two thousand and twelve. There's no evidence for

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Speaker 1: Jacob's constant claims that young people are secretly below I

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Speaker 1: mean a lot of a lot of far right land

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Speaker 1: yours will make a lot of claims without any evidence

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Speaker 1: at all. Really, yeah, I haven't heard of that. Well,

485
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Speaker 1: climate change is real. We were talking earlier today. I'm

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Speaker 1: cold and I wore a long sleeve shirt today, but

487
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Speaker 1: it's mesh. Well, now it doesn't. The fact that you're

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Speaker 1: wearing a long sleeve shirt disproved climate change. But it's mesh.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so climate change is real again. In l A. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in l A. This is cold weather apparel. This is

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Speaker 1: cold cold weather while the city burns down. Um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we have a history of doing free

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Speaker 1: ads on this on the show, do you Yeah, we do. So.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know that I'm drinking

495
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: a cherry lime lacroix right now, and it tastes exactly

496
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Speaker 1: like a melted Lollipop's good? Is that a good review

497
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: or it's a bad review. It tastes like, um, if

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Speaker 1: you get those freezer pops right and you melt one

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Speaker 1: and then deluded in water, That's what this lacroix taste.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is you keep drinking it. I mean

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00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: it's doing some right. My throat dries out. It's not great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's this thing they have in the world called water,

503
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: and it actually quenches your thirst more than like a

504
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: sugary beverage. Now, maybe you can help me with this.

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Speaker 1: I've heard about this water. I've also heard that fish

506
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Speaker 1: fucking it. And I don't know if that's the reason

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Speaker 1: you don't drink water. Well, it seems like something disreputable.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to Jacob Wool. So two thousand and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: the year that Jacob wool pivoted hardcore into being a

510
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: very vocal Trump supporter, was also the first year that

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Speaker 1: he ran into trouble with regulators. He wasn't obeying every

512
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: long seventeen year old hedge one manager that loves Trump?

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Speaker 1: What was the subject of an investigation by the natche

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Speaker 1: Futures Association, a non government but government authorized regulator that

515
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: investigates fraud within the industry. The n f A was

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00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: interested in Jake because they had actually read through the

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00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: promotional material he put together for his new hedge fund,

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00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Next Capital Management. They found that Next videos were quote

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00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: unbalanced in their presentation of profit potential and risk of loss.

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: They also found that Wold had worked as a fund

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00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: manager before he or his hedge fund were actually registered,

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00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a crime. The n f A

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00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: report cites the claim of one investor who says he

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00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: sent Woll seventy five thou dollars and was told Wol

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00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: had grown a to eighty nine thou five d dollars

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00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: in a few months. The investor tried to withdraw his

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Speaker 1: money and Woll only sent him forty four thousand dollars,

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00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: claiming the fund had suffered sudden losses. The n f

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Speaker 1: A found that basically his training account had made a

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Speaker 1: small amount of money, but he was claiming massive losses

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Speaker 1: as soon as people tried to withdraw the money, which

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Speaker 1: is again a scam. Yeah, I think as a called

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00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: it a scam, fucking scab. Yeah, yeah, no, it's fine,

534
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: it's fine. I said again, no again, no it's fine.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. And that's why we did the whole me

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Speaker 1: saying right, okay, so I can say it again. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: you get at least five or six Fox banked seven. Yeah. Cool.

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00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: The Daily Beast looked through the an old archived version

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00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: of NeXT's website from before the investigation, and they found

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00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: evidence that Wool may have slightly misrepresented his credentials to investors,

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00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: namely by claiming he had any uh. He wrote on

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00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: his website that he had quote greater than ten years

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00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: trading experience across many asset classes. In order for this

544
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: to be true, what would have needed to start investing

545
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: as an eight year old? Oh my god, I've been

546
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: doing it for ten years because I've been listening to

547
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: my dad. Here's a quote from The Daily Beast. N

548
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Speaker 1: f A agents showed up at NeXT's supposed offices, which

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00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: turned out to be a Los Angeles home, where no

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00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: one answered will did not return their emails or phone calls.

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00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: When the n f A returned to the home the

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00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: following day, the exam team noticed someone at the second

553
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: floor window who appeared to be taking photos or a

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00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: video of the exam team. According to the filing, They

555
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: soon received a stern phone call from Wolve's father, lawyer,

556
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: who allegedly threatened to call the police on the regulators,

557
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: warning them to stay away or else. So, um, yeah,

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00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: that's your hiding. Sounds totally legit to leousands. Sixteen was

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00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: not a great year for Jacobole's career as a hedge

560
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: fund manager. That year, the Arizona Corporation Commission also gave

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00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: his businesses a cease and assist order. The a c

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00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: C claimed that he had violated the Securities Act by

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00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: selling unregulated securities. Yeah. See. Some of Wol's former clients

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00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: were Arizona residents who say that he told them he

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00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: managed a hundred and seventy eight different accounts with up

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Speaker 1: to a hundred thousand dollars in assets. The a CEC

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00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: believes Wold had roughly thirteen accounts worth as much as

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00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars. So he's basically claiming that he

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Speaker 1: was running like a hundred and seventy eight different accounts

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00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: that had more than like a hundred grand or something. Incredible. Incredible, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Clients he became suspicious of his company and demanded their

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00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: money back. Regularly got about half of what they put

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00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: in out, So he was, you know, stealing, you could

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00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: call it stealing. So the a c C took issue

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00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: with wolves other business, Montgomery Assets, a re the state

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00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: investment firm. One of the Craiglist dads he posted, claimed

577
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: that the company owners had thirty five years experience flipping homes.

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00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: The Daily Beast notes that Wool and his partner had

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Speaker 1: a combined age of forty five. When Montgomery Assets client

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00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: claimed that Jacob sent her a letter about a volatility

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00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: event that he said was about to hit the market.

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00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Wool advised her to sell her other investments, all of

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Speaker 1: her other investments, and invest all of her money in

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Speaker 1: his firm. Now. While all this was going on, Jacob

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00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: began to create a stir on social media, where he

586
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: was also increasingly active. In between hosting a conservative podcast

587
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: and uh Offended America, Yeah, Uh might be might be

588
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: offended because of the theft to defend people. People are

589
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: mad because you're steal from taking the money. Between that

590
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: and making increasingly bizarre claims about millennial infatuation with Donald Trump,

591
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: he started doing everything in his power to look exactly

592
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Speaker 1: like a two thousand teens version of Jordan Belford. On

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Speaker 1: April fifteen, two sixteen, Value Walk, a site that writes

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Speaker 1: about investment firms and the like, published an article about

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00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: the corporate culture at Next, which is again his nudge

596
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: fun Thing, posted a clip from a company promotional video

597
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: which lists an attractive young Instagram model named Jennifer Cole

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Speaker 1: is his director of Fun. Director of director of Fun.

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00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: It's a job to make sure everyone's having a good time.

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00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: It's a cool company. It's Ja and one friend in

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00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: a house in Laurel Canyon scamming people say she looks

602
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: she's hot and it's an investment and a teenager come

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00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: um now. Value Walks Report also noted that his website

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00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: listed Rachel Fox, an actress who played someone named Kayla

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00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: on The Desperate Housewives, as the inspiration for his company's

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: investment strategy. Quote. In an interview with Value Walk, Fox

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: claimed not to know Wool and said she only learned

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00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: of his trading program through a Value walk article. Weird

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Speaker 1: delie that an actress is like a public figure, like

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Speaker 1: like she can deny claim and she had she had

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: done some work as like investing in hedge funds at

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00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: some point in her career, but like she was nobody's

613
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: big name. Like it's a weird thing to lie about,

614
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: just like Google, like celebrities that also invested. A good

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: conman would lay lion say that it's someone like Warren Buffett,

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00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: but they'd say that they've been tutored in some vague

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00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: way that would be hard to disprove. And like, you

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Speaker 1: pick someone who's as busy as Warren Buffett, isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: say anything, Yeah, exactly. You don't pick a social media

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Speaker 1: active actress like what are you doing, Jacob Wool. He's

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00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: a stupid, stupid man boy boy, Yeah, for sure, for sure,

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Speaker 1: boy scumboy, scumboy. Jacob Wowl seems to have had a

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Speaker 1: thing for hiring models to just sort of hang around

624
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: his businesses. Twitter users put together a number of Craigslist

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00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: ads from his real estate firm asking for models and such.

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00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: An Orange County ads stated quote, we need models for

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00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: promo modeling events including conferences, trades, show seminars, et cetera.

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00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: We also have other modeling opportunities, including bikini modeling and

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Speaker 1: fashion modeling. If you the type for that sort of modeling,

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Speaker 1: that's nice. The Daily Beast did a domain registry search

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Speaker 1: on Mr Wol's businesses and found something rather interesting. Quote

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00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: the website registry database domain Tools shows a number of

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Speaker 1: websites registered to Woll's name. Some are definitely Wolds, including

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00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: the domain for his short lived media outlet Offended America,

635
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: and domains that are described in the A C C

636
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: filing as belonging to his businesses. Others with names like

637
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Wol girls dot com and Melanie Rio's Management dot com,

638
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: the name of a porn actress appeared to solicit more

639
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: salacious business. In response to this, Woll stated, fake websites

640
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: and Craigslist ads were posted by trolls of mine in

641
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: two thousands sixteen, and I immediately reported them to the FBI.

642
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: Woll told The Daily Beast he declined to specify which

643
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: websites and ads were the alleged frauds and declined to

644
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: answer further questions yeah convenient. The Daily Beast also talked

645
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: to the mother of one young woman who was featured

646
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: as a wool girl. She claims that Jacob lied to

647
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: her daughter and said that he could make her famous

648
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: by building a professional modeling website for her, and that

649
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: she agreed. But instead of doing that, this lady's mother

650
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: says quote, he took some of her photos, either from

651
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Snapchat or Instagram that she had posted and created a

652
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: page for her called the wool Girl of the Month.

653
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: From there, he put up photos and made the page

654
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: seem inappropriate and dangerous, so the would be models mother

655
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: actually wound up calling Jacob and confronting him on the phone. Quote.

656
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: I thought he was probably an older man trying to

657
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: exploit a young woman. When I contacted him on the phone,

658
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: I could tell he was young and idiotic. I told him,

659
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: you take that site down, you take any reference to

660
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: her out of your world or else. He got very

661
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: scared and was like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry,

662
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: and apologized profusely and took it down. What a little bit.

663
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: I like that lady's mom. I like, you gotta, you

664
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: gotta confront a little ship. Yeah. I mean, she would

665
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: have done it anyway, even if he was an old guy,

666
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: but the fact that he was a young guy I

667
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: made it even more like she just like talking to

668
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: him like a mom. Yeah, which is the right way

669
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: to talk to a child. Yeah. So we're gonna get

670
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: onto how Jacob Wile got banned from the finance industry forever,

671
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: and then we're going to talk about how he decided

672
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: to take on Robert Mueller, uh, which is maybe biting

673
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: off a little bit more than he should have tried

674
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: to chew. But before we do that, let's talk about

675
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: and we're back. We're talking about Jacob Woole, the wool

676
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: of wall st the worst grifter I may have ever

677
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: heard of, which normally I like to talk about more

678
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: impressive people in this but he's just so bad. I

679
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: couldn't stop much. I don't like, I mean, grifter sounds

680
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: like a badass thing though it does sound, but it's

681
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: like a shitty thing to be. He's he's the living

682
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: human embodiment of a single spam email. That's what Jacobill was. Okay, So,

683
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: in early two thousand seventeen, Jacob Bowl received a lifetime

684
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: ban from the n f A for his part. Will

685
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: portrays the National Futures Association is basically a group of

686
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: but heard activists. Um because the n f A isn't

687
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: a government body. He basically says, they're just a bunch

688
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: of busy bodies and they're not a government agency. They

689
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: don't have any real authority to regulate things. And he'll

690
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: do this in interviews than the vice interview and they

691
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: don't really push. They kicked him out after all this

692
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: ship down because they were the ones that they were,

693
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: like the regulator, the team that wanted to investigate. Did

694
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: they ever actually investige? Oh yeah, yeah they did, And

695
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: they gave him a lifetime ban because he broke a

696
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: bunch of laws. And he would basically say like, well,

697
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: they're not a government body, it's just a bunch of

698
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: busy bodies. But the fact of the matter is. The

699
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: n f A is a self regulating body for the

700
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: futures industry. Membership in it is required by law for

701
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: traders and major buyers. Congress has given this non government

702
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: organization the ability to regulate the industry. They are very

703
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: much authorized to do this. Ship like fucking rich people

704
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: think they can do whatever the funk they want. Yeah,

705
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: and Jacob Bowl did for a long time, did well

706
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: about a year that he didn't get that long. That's

707
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: a good point. And his teams, I will say he

708
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: got caught pretty early, what with his incompetence. Yeah. Also,

709
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: in two thousands seventeen, the Arizona Corporation Commission issued a

710
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: cease and assist order against wol for wildly misleading investors

711
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and misrepresenting the size of his businesses. He was ordered

712
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: to pay thirty two thou nineteen dollars in restitution and

713
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars in penalties. Wolve's attorney asked for a

714
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: four week continuance because his big shot client, who lived

715
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: at the same Laurel Canyon house his company used as

716
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: an office, couldn't make the first payment, which I just

717
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: like that. I'm gonna guess his dad's probably paying funding

718
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: the bill for a lot of this. Yeah. So an

719
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: Arizona Central article written about wolves legal trouble revealed that

720
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: quote Wolves troubles in Arizona began in two thousand and

721
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: fifteen when two residents of the state contacted wol after

722
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: seeing his media appearances. They note that Wall called the

723
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: a c C a racketeering organization full of angry Democrats,

724
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: and while it is true that the a c C

725
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: head was accused of accepting bribes in exchange for votes

726
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: on the utilities issue, the man accused as a registered

727
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Republican and wasn't actually convicted anyway. So Jacob woll Um,

728
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: I also, I just think it's funny that his need

729
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: to be on the news and known as the teen

730
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: investment grow is what got him caught, right, Yeah, that's

731
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: not going to be the last time you hear about

732
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: that that sort. That's why he's like a millennial trash though,

733
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he wanted the fucking

734
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: verified check mark. Yeah, is the millennial investment expert and stuff. Yeah,

735
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: he thought that was the path to good money. And

736
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: if he hadn't been so dumb, it might have been.

737
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: If he'd been a little bit more careful. But he

738
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: was not, and he's dumb now. In spite of the

739
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: fact that wolves love of publicity had now definitely destroyed

740
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: several of his businesses, Jacob was not yet ready to

741
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: give up the line light or to give up social media.

742
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: In fact, over the years, his Twitter presence has grown

743
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: to more than a hundred and seventy five thousand followers,

744
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: some of those probably hate followers. Up until very recently,

745
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: he was most renowned for posting numerous stories of his

746
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: trips to what he called hipster coffee shops in Los Angeles,

747
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: where he claimed to repeatedly overhear young Democrats secretly admit

748
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: their admiration and love of Donald Trump. Oh my god,

749
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: get a fucking hobby, dude, Like, are you serious? Yeah,

750
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm really serious. It's like a better way to show it,

751
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: like you're unemployed in like a living husk of nothing,

752
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to go to every coffee shop and

753
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: then pretend to hear things and then lie about what

754
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: people say when it's also somebody pressed him on, like

755
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: what he was talking about when he said something was

756
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: a hipster coffee shop and he was like talking about

757
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: a coffee bean in Westlake. There's like a thousand coffee

758
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: beans around the world, like a billion hip your coffee shop,

759
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: it's not the one in fucking Westlake. Yeah, it's not

760
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: a coffee bean where you go to get coffee when

761
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: you can stop. Yeah, yeah, when you have to the

762
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: coffee bean. Sometimes you just need So During this time,

763
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: Jacob started to write for Gateway Pundit, a fake news

764
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: website run by a former John Deer catalog model with

765
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: no relevant experience in politics or journalism. Gateway Pundit is

766
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: regularly sided in Fox News for an example of the

767
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: level of quality and Gateway Pundits reporting. At one point,

768
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: they picked up a story about how the Kremlin thought

769
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was literally insane. According to Media Matters, the

770
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: story of originated from the European Union Times, an anti

771
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Semitic website with a section devoted to Jews. So what

772
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: this is just the quality of the website he's working with.

773
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: This is like they pick up stories from anti Semitic

774
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: keep saying words, and I felt like I'll be like

775
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: that sucks, and you'll keep talking and I'll be like, wait,

776
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: that's even that's stupid, and then I'll just like I'm

777
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: just my face is just a permanent like like hello darkness,

778
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: my old friend. That would be good theme music for

779
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: this show. Uh So, there's something unsettling to me about

780
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: the fact that once finance was closed as a grifting

781
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: opportunity and real estate should add. Jacoble immediately landed on

782
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: journalism as the next way to try to make his mark.

783
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: He founded his own website of The Washington Reporter, which

784
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: you know he called despite the fact that he lives

785
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. He claimed that The Washington Reporter was

786
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: non partisan, and his website included a code of ethics

787
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: prominently displayed on the site. Unfortunately, splinter News revealed that

788
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: the code of ethics on his website was plagiarized entirely

789
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: from pro Publica. Oh my god, stole his website, his

790
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: code of ethics. You can google that, like try her. Yeah, now,

791
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: write every single paper in college. But I made it

792
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: look like I did. Yeah, you fake it a little

793
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: bit better than that, Jacob Wolf sucking asshole. Uh So,

794
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: when asked about this point by Gizmoto, Will replied, I

795
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: didn't create that part of the website, but if our

796
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: policy is similar to that of another reputable site, I

797
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: think that's fantastic. Oh my god, it's the exact same. Yeah.

798
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: Gizmoto went on to note quote Wolf said he would

799
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: not respond to further questions about this non news gossip

800
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: about whether or not I date Instagram models is none

801
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: of your concern. He said, no one had accused him

802
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: of dating Instagram. I was just gonna say, like, what's

803
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: the last light of the gismoto article accused him of

804
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: dating Instagram models. That's a good article right there. It's

805
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: some good that's some good journalism shade. No one accuses

806
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: meving giant dick, stop talking about my so during two eighteen,

807
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Wold's biggest claims to fame, where of course his constant

808
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: tweets about hyster coffee shops and the fact that Donald

809
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: Trump retweeted him I think twice, mostly because he would

810
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: just say nice things about the economy. And but then

811
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: on October seventeenth, a woman named Lorraine started emailing reporters

812
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: around the US. She claimed to have worked with special

813
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: counsel Robert Mueller when he was a lawyer in the

814
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and said that she had been approached by

815
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: a guy named Jack Berkman, now Jack Berkman is another grifter.

816
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: We don't have enough time to get into a heavy

817
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: detail here, but prior to this, his main claim to

818
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: fame was that he investigated the murder of d NC

819
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: staffer seth Rich. He claimed to have found a man

820
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: named Luke who said was an intelligence industry veteran who

821
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: knew that the d E A and A t F

822
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: had murdered seth Rich, presumably in order to help Hillary

823
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: Clinton somehow some cards, even one type of ship. Yeah,

824
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: some some bullshit. He held a big press conference to

825
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: have Luke tell his story on the phone to the

826
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: assembled world media, but Luke never called. So it's just

827
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: a press conference with nstors. So you can see why

828
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: reporters immediately suspected something fishy now that Berkman's name was involved.

829
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: So weirdly enough, the Lorraine story didn't hold up at

830
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: all to scrutiny. No one by that name worked at

831
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: the firm with Mueller. The journalists checked into this, but

832
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: Berkman did post on social media around that time asking

833
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: for women with stories about being sexually harassed by Robert

834
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Mueller to come forward. And then, well, here's a quote

835
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: from website The Cut ed krass Erstein that the Hill

836
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: reporters said that when he was looking into the Lorraine claims,

837
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: he received a threatening phone call from a man claiming

838
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: to work for Serfire Intelligence. When krass Erstein reached out

839
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: to Berkman, Berkman told him he's familiar with Surefire Intelligence

840
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: and that they do a lot of good research and

841
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: that it's run by Jacob wol So this is a

842
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: little bit messy, but Surefire Intelligence is essentially a fake

843
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: intelligence company that Jacob Bowl on its service, supposed to

844
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: be operated by former Israeli Massad people, but is really

845
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: just Jacob Bowl. So they started reaching out to a

846
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: bunch of people saying that they basically had a an

847
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: accuser of Robert Mueller that was going to come out

848
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: and give speeches, and obviously a bunch of people started

849
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: poking holes in this straight away. Oddly enough, fucking the

850
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: krass and Stein brothers were some of the first people too,

851
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: I guess because they got emails about this report that

852
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: they came to his defense. No, no, no, no no.

853
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: They were some of the first people to connect this

854
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: stuff with Berkman to Surefire Intelligence and Jacob wol and

855
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: then reported it to the FN They came to Robert

856
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: defense saying yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert. So this is how

857
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: the other scammers come into this. As they come to

858
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: his defense, they reveal that Jacob Wol and Surefire Intelligence

859
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: are connected to this emerging scheme, and then they report

860
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: him to the FBI. Not the only people who reported

861
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: Jacob Bowl to the FBI, but yeah, that's the fucking Crafts.

862
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: They don't wanted to dig their nose in, They just yeah,

863
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: they had to get involved. So now, as soon as

864
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: Surefire Intelligence dropped into the news cycle, open source journalists

865
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: began digging into its digital footprint. People from I think

866
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: the Daily Beast called several of the phone numbers associated

867
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: with the business, and it was Jacoble's mom who didn't

868
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: seem to know anything about the scheme. O, god, his mom,

869
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: pick your mom's phone number? Well, it was just he

870
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: hadn't even intended to give a phone number, but like

871
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: he had registered the business to try to do things

872
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: to make it look legitimate, and he gave like family

873
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: cell phones and stuff. Oh my god, Uh, well your

874
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: self accountable, but your own cell phone? Yeah yeah. Eric

875
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: Toler and editor for Belling Cat awful to be his

876
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: mother yeah, it would be anyone related to him. Um

877
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Eric Toler, and editor at Belling Cat, looked into Sherefire's

878
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: extensive website, which was posted shortly before the allegations came out,

879
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: and he found a number of interesting things. So on

880
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: its surface, the website looked pretty kind of legitimate, but

881
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: it all sort of fell apart once you did any

882
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: sort of digging into it. Their Tel Aviv station chief

883
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: was a picture of Israeli supermodel bar Rafeli, Their investigator,

884
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: Donald Treehorn was a stock photo model with gray scale

885
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: applied to it. Their l A based investigator, Mark Teller

886
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: was really Nick Hopper, a British model, and Simon Frick

887
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: there's Zurich based financial crimes and stigator was a picture

888
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: of Oscar winning actor Christoph Walsh. This just suriates me

889
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: because like, you can get away with stuff if you're

890
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: just a little smart. I'm glad you didn't get away

891
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: with it, but like, okay, For example, when I was

892
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: in high school, my ap English teacher hated me because

893
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: my older sister was like he was she was like

894
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: the star child, and then I had him and he

895
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: was like, you're never going to be as good a sister.

896
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: So I plagiarized every paper that she had ever written.

897
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: I found on the computer and I just submitted it

898
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: as my own the entire year, and he gave me

899
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: a litwer grades than her, even though it's exact same paper. Um,

900
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: but you see, I got away with it. And then

901
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: on my senior speech, I cried because I made up

902
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: a story but going blind. Um, but like I love

903
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: that we're getting a little bit of your grifting in here.

904
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, I'm a fraud. But the point is,

905
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: But the point is, if you want to fucking be smart,

906
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: don't put a well known celebrities photo as supposed to

907
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: be like a representative of like who you have behind

908
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: like back in your fucking company? Are you kidding me?

909
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: Like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And fucking

910
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: Jane Mayer of Dark Money found out he I forgot

911
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: the name he had, but he put in the name

912
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: of the person who supposedly ran his firm, and he

913
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: came with a fake name. But the picture was just

914
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: Jacob Wohl. But the picture reversed and darkened. Its just

915
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: who did have his face? What dummy with like paint

916
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: and thats paint is like running your fucking thing. It

917
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: makes me furious. He clearly knew enough to know that

918
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: if you alter a photo somewhat, it makes it harder

919
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: to trace back on Google image search, so they reverse

920
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: image search. So he did a couple of small changes,

921
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: but he didn't do it well. And like the picture

922
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: of Christoph Waltz was like clearly Christoph Waltz, Like if

923
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: you've seen him in a movie, you couldn't pick him, Like,

924
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: that's not Zerich based financial charts. Also, like there are

925
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: lesser known people than bar Refaeli, daily Our DiCaprio, like

926
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: or like like are you serious, Like that's the people

927
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: that you someone who has gone away with a lot

928
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah. Another thing that other people noted is

929
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: that like the investigator that Jacob pretend it to be

930
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: to communicate with a number of journalists was Donald Treehorn,

931
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: which is of course a reference to The Big Lebowski's

932
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Jackie Treehorn. Because I think wol thinks he's so smart

933
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: that he's the only person who's watching one of the

934
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: most popular films ever made. Yeah, he's just a dumb kid.

935
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: He just a dumb kid. I'm really glad he was

936
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: dumb enough to get caught though, very very glad. He

937
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: kept saying surefire and stuff. I just imagine the site

938
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: is like on angel Fire and GeoCities like my, my,

939
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: my knowledge of his site is just like pure. Yeah. So,

940
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: as all of this broke, another woman, professor Jennifer tub

941
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: came forward and said that Berkman and Wool had also

942
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: reached out to her to try and solicit stories of

943
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: sexual harassment by Robert Mueller. She immediately sent the email

944
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: they sent her to the Department of Justice, which again

945
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: part of the investor FBI investigation that's now looking into

946
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: Jacob Wol and hopefully on lead to some serious consequences

947
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: for him. I'm not generally a big fan of prisons,

948
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 1: but something bad should happen to Jacob Wowl. He should

949
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: go somewhere. He should go somewhere not good. Yeah, yeah,

950
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: something bad should happen to him. Kick out the rest

951
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: of the non criminal marijuana people and bring him in.

952
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: It could just be him and Paul Manafort in prison

953
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: lying in the two fucking yeah. It throw the crass

954
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: and stains in there to find that way. It's bipartisan. Yeah.

955
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: Uh So, Jacob Bowl and Jack Berkman were not about

956
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: to give up just because they've been caught committing crimes

957
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: and trying to fraudulently came that an FBI special prosecutor

958
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: was a sex criminal. They continued to double down on

959
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: their scheme. In the immediate aftermath of everybody busting into

960
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: the fact that Sheer Fire Intelligence was the fraud, Jacob

961
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Bowl updated his Twitter bio to brag head of the

962
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: most well known opposition research firm in the world. That's

963
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: not even technically true, because being mocked on Twitter for

964
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: two days is not count as being well known. And then,

965
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: because sometimes sometimes God is good, bol and Berkman held

966
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: a press conference where they claimed good Yeah. And during

967
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: this press conference, which they hyped up to the extent

968
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: of their very tiny abilities, they claimed that they would

969
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: present a credible accuser and her allegations against Bob Mueller.

970
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: During the press conference, Wolan Berkman appeared with no accuser,

971
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: claiming that she had backed out at the last minute,

972
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: but wol insisted this was all totally real, and he

973
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: also insisted and stated openly that he didn't normally believe

974
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: women when they came forward with allegations of sexual assault,

975
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: in order to claim that this one was extra credible,

976
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Like he just did everything the grossest way uh possible.

977
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to be like and then

978
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: came up Bara Fielli and Galcado. No, he did present

979
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: a picture of his credible accuser with her face blurred

980
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: out of him standing next to her that he in

981
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: order to proof to people that she was real. Mom

982
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: was like, why did you listen to this photo? Honey?

983
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: It's worse than that. So Internet Sluce did find the original,

984
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: unblurred version of the photo and realized it was a

985
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: picture of Wool with his former girlfriend. Oh oh my god.

986
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: Berkman and Wol handed out summaries of their evidence to

987
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 1: the assembled press, presumably to help people write stories about

988
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: what they were just sure was going to bust Robert

989
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: Mueller down to size. But in the summaries they handed out,

990
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: it turns out they misspelled the first name of the

991
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: fake woman that they brought forward on multiple occasions. Also,

992
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: Berkman's fly was down the entire press conference, Sherry right

993
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: on top. After the disastrous press conference, a writer with

994
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: Above the Law dot Com received an email from Surefire

995
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: intelligence partner Donald Treehorn, who claimed that they had always

996
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: wanted Professor Tobb to leak their email to the FBI quote,

997
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: I want to clear something up. Miss tab was chosen

998
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: with great care. We chose her precisely because we thought

999
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: she might act the way she did by running to

1000
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: the special counsel. We knew she would not miss this

1001
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: opportunity to get her fifteen minutes of fame. Please note

1002
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: that we did not send emails to any other people

1003
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: requesting information on Mueller, only miss tb. We performed extensive

1004
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: research on her mindset, academic position, and political activism. It

1005
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: was a bit of a long shot and she was

1006
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: the only person we sent this email request to, but

1007
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: it worked. She did our bidding and more so than

1008
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: we could ever have expected her to. As of the

1009
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: acording to this episode, Jacob Wohl is still under investigation

1010
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: by the FBI. It's also banned from working in the

1011
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: finance industry. Well, okay, I do have something to contest.

1012
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: You said that the Crafts and Ship Brothers are the

1013
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: second worst. They've been doing this for their whole lifetime.

1014
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: They're the worst. Well, but they're the only a baby.

1015
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: But he's worse at it. He's already gotten caught to Yeah,

1016
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: Well that's why I'm saying he's worse than they are.

1017
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: He's like worse like as far as like like he

1018
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: got like an F, they got a I've got away

1019
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: with it. Well I don't. I wouldn't say they got

1020
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: an A because they got caught to Ashole, I would

1021
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: say he got an F minus and they got an F.

1022
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: He's the worst con man in America and they're the

1023
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: second worst conman collectively. Yeah, they're so awful. Eye when

1024
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: they come for each other, you know, you know what's

1025
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: about when they're like, he's a con man? When when

1026
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: when the second worst conman report the worst con man

1027
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: to the FBI. That's special. It's a special time so

1028
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: much that I just want to erase from my memory.

1029
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Well I can't. It's gonna be on record forever. It

1030
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: will be grifters, grifters, So grifters. It's okay if you're

1031
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: a fraud, you know. I think Robert was right in

1032
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: the Beginnings episode, like a lot of people that have

1033
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: creative field you feel like a fraud a lot of

1034
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: the time, But just don't be a fucking grifter. Yeah, don't.

1035
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: Or if you're gonna be a grifter, be a good grifter.

1036
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Be like or like, yeah, be like Robert Hood like, no,

1037
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: scientology is not a good form of I didn't say

1038
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: it was. It's an impressive grift, though it's not like

1039
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: it's not. It's a disturbing it's a disturbing, destructive and

1040
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: dangerous script. But at least it's not dumb. That is impressive,

1041
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: to say the least. But if you're going to grift,

1042
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: be a Robin Hood character and don't take advantage of

1043
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: the poor and the rich day rich and the poor

1044
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: day poor. No steal from rich people, is what you said. Yeah,

1045
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna steal, steal from the like how we're

1046
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: saying he didn't knock as many cars over as you want.

1047
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: As long as you're Tesla's exactly, as long as they're

1048
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: Tesla's or infinities, I would say Ben's, then this is

1049
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: the one I would go after. That's like old money,

1050
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, that's old money. Tesla can be like new money,

1051
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but Bens is the old money. Bends

1052
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: his old money and it rolls roy cattle acts. Yeah,

1053
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: cattle acts. I feel my grandma drove a really old one.

1054
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: Why don't you drove a Lincoln town car? I always

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Speaker 1: get those outies. Maybe I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I don't care what car you drive. Just

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Speaker 1: don't hit them unless they're driven by someone that's a dick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah, hit people's cars if there are dicks.

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Speaker 1: That is the official. Also, don't cheat, don't commit crimes.

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Speaker 1: Don't cheat, don't commit crimes. Don't commit crimes unless they're's

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Speaker 1: for English class that the teacher you hate. Alright, Sharine,

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Speaker 1: you want to plug some plugable? Yeah, I'm Sharine and

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Speaker 1: I'm the co host of Ethnically Ambiguous. It's a podcast

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Speaker 1: on how stuff works or stuff. The network of this

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Speaker 1: is also on um You can find a tune, Stitcher,

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Speaker 1: Spotify where every Lonch podcast. We're everywhere. We're on Twitter

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Speaker 1: Ethnically am A m B. We're on Instagram ethnically and

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Speaker 1: why not. And this has been behind the Bastards. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on the internet at behind the Bastards

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Speaker 1: dot com with the sources and such will be for

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Speaker 1: this episode. You can find uh on Twitter and Instagram

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Speaker 1: at at Bastard Spot. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at I right, okay, and that's all of the things

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Speaker 1: that I have to plug. So get on with your life,

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Speaker 1: go do soh Nope, that's not all the things Sophie

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Speaker 1: is making frantic gestures at me. You can buy merch

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Speaker 1: We've got great shirts you can also get. You can

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Speaker 1: get okay, I'm gonna help you out. You can get

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Speaker 1: any design, any design as a shirt, amok, a poster,

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Speaker 1: baseball t uh, a phone case, a laptop case. The

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Speaker 1: fucking options are endless. And even if you want to

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Speaker 1: stone a little bit or support a little bit a sticker,

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Speaker 1: couldn't you just fine? Yeah a sticker? Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I love about h