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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 3: Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on the show, I'm

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Speaker 3: joined by Jake Coper, the host of our brand new

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Speaker 3: soon to launch podcast mini series, The Back forty Podcast,

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Speaker 3: and today we are going to be previewing that show

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Speaker 3: and answering some of the most important pressing questions that

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Speaker 3: you and I are likely to face in the coming

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Speaker 3: months as we take on the challenge of hunting and

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Speaker 3: managing our own back forties. All right, welcome back to

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Speaker 3: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First

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Speaker 3: Light and their Camo for Conservation Initiative. Today the show,

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Speaker 3: I am joined by Jake Hoefer, and as you just heard,

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Speaker 3: he is joining us here in Wired to Hunt with

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Speaker 3: a brand new podcast mini series. And so today in

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Speaker 3: the show, when Jake joins me, we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 3: about what this new show is. We're calling it the

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Speaker 3: Back forty Podcast. We're gonna preview what you can expect

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Speaker 3: in the coming weeks on this new show, and then

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Speaker 3: we're also going to preview the actual content of that show,

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Speaker 3: as Jake is going to have to run through some

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Speaker 3: of the very same questions that our future podcast guests

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Speaker 3: will as well. Now real quick, if you're not familiar

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Speaker 3: with Jake, what I want you to know is this,

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Speaker 3: he's one of the best podcast hosts out there. He

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Speaker 3: has hosted in the past the Exodus Trail Camera radio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Now he has his own Whitetail podcast show. He was

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Speaker 3: a co owner or Exodus Trail Cameras. He also hosts

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Speaker 3: the Land podcast and now also owns the Whitetail Master

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Speaker 3: Academy I believe it's called Sorry. Jake and just a

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Speaker 3: tremendous thinker within the white tail space. A great question asker,

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Speaker 3: a great uh. He's really good at getting folks to

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Speaker 3: explain exactly what it is that we as hunters need

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Speaker 3: So there's gonna be a lot more of Jake to

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Speaker 3: come this fall. I'm excited about some other projects we've

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Speaker 3: to hear from Jake on this new show. We're going

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Speaker 3: to learn about what the new show is going to

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Speaker 3: be about, and then we're going to be answering some

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Speaker 3: have if you hunt, you know, any kind of private land.

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Speaker 3: This show is mostly private land focused. We're going to

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Speaker 3: be talking about some management questions. We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 3: control over the property. But there is some stuff that's

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Speaker 3: relevant regardless. But again, we're really looking at this idea

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Speaker 3: back forty whether that's forty acres or four acres or

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Speaker 3: I will let Jake explain it here in a second.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we need to be rambling on any further,

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Speaker 3: but stay tuned for some great information today for habitat

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Speaker 3: related ideas, management related ideas, hunting small properties and much

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Speaker 3: much more. And you're going to hear about the back

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Speaker 3: without any further ado, let's get to it with Jake Coefert.

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Speaker 3: All right, joining me back on the show is Jay

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Speaker 3: koefer Welcome back, Jack.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's good to be back. A lot of talk

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're back in a different capacity today. Yeah, this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, to be completely honest, I'm just like

441
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Speaker 4: everyone else.

442
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Speaker 2: I'm a little behind right now.

443
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Speaker 4: So I'm going to be deploying cameras and on some

444
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Speaker 4: places I want to, And I think for me, the

445
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 4: most important thing is if you had the ability to

446
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 4: run cameras on that farm the year before, and maybe

447
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 4: you had some summer intel or maybe you know there's

448
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 4: some areas where there's good inventory spots of the farm.

449
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a maybe it's alfalfa, Maybe it's an edge

450
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 4: of a cornfield that meets another field. You know places

451
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 4: you necessarily might not hunt, but you want to get

452
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 4: proof of life. You want to know if the deer

453
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 4: you're dreaming about is still alive. And so a lot

454
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Speaker 4: of those locations is based off of previous year's experience.

455
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Speaker 4: Maybe throw out a few floater cameras in an area

456
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Speaker 4: that has some sort of green food source for the

457
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 4: summer period, understanding that they're likely going to shift unless

458
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 4: you have a big farm. But if you're hunting, you know,

459
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 4: a forty acre piece, a sixty acre piece, you're hopefully

460
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Speaker 4: going to get more bucks throughout the fall. And this

461
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 4: question leads into another question later on where people you

462
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 4: know start to potentially panic based off of they put

463
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Speaker 4: the cameras out. So that's where I'm going to start.

464
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Speaker 4: And then even in some more sensitive areas, I am

465
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Speaker 4: trying to be really organized when I go in. Like

466
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Speaker 4: if I get a free Saturday, I'm gonna try to

467
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 4: knock out absolutely everything for that Saturday. I'm going to

468
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 4: put a camera up with a solar panel. I'm going

469
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Speaker 4: to make sure I'm using either lithium batteries or a

470
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 4: lithium or chargeable pack where I can I know the

471
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Speaker 4: spot's going to be good.

472
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Speaker 2: For the rut.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go in there and let it just

474
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Speaker 4: start doing this thing, and hopefully I get a picture

475
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Speaker 4: or two of the deer that will be utilizing that

476
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: area in the rut. So that that's my personal strategy.

477
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: I've been better at getting pictures of deer than killing them.

478
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Speaker 4: So that's that that model does work to some degree

479
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: most that's the case for most people, by the way,

480
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Speaker 4: That's why we brought an eight expert. So yeah, so

481
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Speaker 4: what about if you were asked this question on October first,

482
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Speaker 4: Let's say someone just got or let's say you just

483
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Speaker 4: get access to a new property October first. The season's

484
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: starting today, but now you've got this brand new hundred

485
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Speaker 4: acres you can hunt.

486
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Speaker 2: How does your answer change?

487
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Speaker 4: If that's the case, I'm going to be excited to

488
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Speaker 4: start because there's nothing more fun than knowing trying to

489
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Speaker 4: figure out what's out there. So my biggest thing would

490
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Speaker 4: be I live in farm country, Illinois, so a lot

491
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Speaker 4: of these parcels maybe have a parcel like that I'm

492
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Speaker 4: as picturing is I don't know, twenty or thirty percent

493
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Speaker 4: timber and the rest of its open fields, and so

494
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Speaker 4: depending on the type of crop, I'm probably gonna walk

495
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Speaker 4: all the edges of all the fields try to figure

496
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Speaker 4: out where there's different you know, maybe there's a creek

497
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: system there and you can get an idea where there

498
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 4: might be some funneling going on. The other thing would

499
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Speaker 4: be looking for scrapes on the edge of these fields

500
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Speaker 4: to put up a camera for inventory. That would be

501
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Speaker 4: I would bring a weed whacker and some handsaw and

502
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: a backpack full of cameras and I'm going to do

503
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Speaker 4: a big loop and then I'm gonna look at the

504
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 4: map online and see if there's any terrain features that

505
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: are going to be really exciting to inventory and try

506
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Speaker 4: to be as efficient as possible. What has been interesting

507
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Speaker 4: throughout these conversations is there's some people that would say

508
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Speaker 4: they would go in and cover every inch of it

509
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Speaker 4: while they're already in their October one, and some of

510
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 4: them would just go on the fringes and just like, hey,

511
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Speaker 4: I just want to know they're there, and I'm going

512
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Speaker 4: to put the game plan, put a bank game plan

513
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 4: together kind of on the fly, and I probably fall

514
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: on more of the side if I'm going to go

515
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 4: try to cover as much as possible, to learn as

516
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 4: much and the other thing too, is a lot of

517
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Speaker 4: these guys, some of them are most of them are

518
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: hunting a specific buck too, and then there's some that

519
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: are hunting, you know, maybe three or four mature bucks,

520
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 4: and I would be in the category of hunting, you know,

521
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: a amature buck, not a single single deer. And so

522
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: if I bump one off, hopefully there's still you know,

523
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 4: two other ones that I have an opportunity yet. Yeah, okay,

524
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: next question, the best spot on my farm has bad access.

525
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: How do I hunt it this year? So background on

526
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: the question, and then what would you do?

527
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Speaker 4: The amount of times I've heard people say, oh, there's

528
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: a sweet spot, it's so cool. I found it when

529
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: I was shed hunting. I found it. I remember from

530
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 4: the year before. I walked in there scouting in November

531
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 4: and this reeked a buck and it was just a

532
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: big buck oasis. And then they usually follow up with

533
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Speaker 4: I can't get back there. I don't think I can

534
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: get back there. I don't know if I should get

535
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 4: back there. And that's every every almost everyone I talked

536
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: to has said something to that degree. And so that

537
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: was the root of the question of Okay, these guys

538
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: are very successful, do they go in to hunt that area.

539
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: Do they go in to hunt the spot where you

540
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 4: have to walk through ninety percent of the farm and

541
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: scare three different dough family groups for the hail mary

542
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: shot to hunt whatever feature that makes that spot so special.

543
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: And the answers may surprise folks, they may not, but

544
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 4: that that was the root of the question, because I

545
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: guarantee there's been a spot that you know that you

546
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 4: could think of right now, like I wish I could

547
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: hunt that, and maybe you did hunt it, or maybe

548
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: you didn't hunt it, and so sure, that's the that's

549
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: the challenge these that's a white tail dilemma.

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00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: Every hunter has spaced, every single one.

551
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I know what Don Higgins answered, yep, yep, Okay,

552
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: So it's your take, my take, and it's the worst

553
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: answer in the world of podcast.

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Speaker 4: It depends. But I'll give you an example. There was

555
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: last year where I shot my archery buck. The access

556
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: was not very good, but I hunted at one time

557
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: and I shot a buck.

558
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: So in that scenario worked. There's been times where I've

559
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: tried that.

560
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: And it feels more like I'm pounding my head against

561
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: the wall of this spot is so good, why is

562
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: it not working? And I forget about the deer I

563
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: scared on the way in and the way out. I

564
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: forget about the deer that I heard snorting because the

565
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 4: wind wasn't great. Because maybe it is an awesome spot,

566
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: but there's not a good place to blow my scent.

567
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: And so going into this season a slightly more wise,

568
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: I would be on the side of how can I

569
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: still hunt that movement or hunt that feature, but maybe

570
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 4: it's one hundred and fifty yards away versus the spot.

571
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 4: I just got off the phone with a friend and

572
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: he's new farm. It was just perfect, And I brought

573
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: this up that I've launched in the series and he's like, man,

574
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 4: that one spot, you know, down to the bottom you

575
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: got to walk through everything, Like, man, that spot looks awesome,

576
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: but I just don't know how to hunt it. And

577
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: I was like, well, you have to listen to a

578
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 4: new episode of a new show that's coming out soon.

579
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

580
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: That's right. So it's a question that we all.

581
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: Battle, Yeah, and you're right, there's no one single answer

582
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: to it, and so much of hunting, so much of

583
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: a lot of these decisions and these questions, like even

584
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: back to like the trial camera question, you brought up.

585
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: Do you go in on October first and cover it

586
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: all so you learn everything at once, or do you

587
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: stand the fringes and be careful. It all comes down

588
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: like risk and reward. Yep, you're balancing what's the possible

589
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: positive outcome of this pressure I'm going to put on

590
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: in one way or another, and then what's the negative

591
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: ramifications what's the possible risk here? And then those two

592
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: levels are constantly changing, depending on time of year, depending

593
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: on how your property lays out, depending on how much

594
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: access you have, depending on how many other people are

595
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: hunting in. All of that is like the sliding scale

596
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: that you can constantly have to be, you know, adjusting

597
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: the weight of each one of these variables and trying

598
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: to understand I'm not sure with the right metaphor here

599
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: if the metaphor is like a scale with weights or

600
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Speaker 3: if with.

601
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Speaker 2: The multiplier with the multiplier, Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's it.

602
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, it's it's one of the most frustrating

603
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: slash fascinating aspects of deer hunting. Seriously.

604
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's more questions than answers a lot of times,

606
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: or maybe not, maybe that maybe there would be more

607
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: answers in questions, because I think that's I would say

608
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: there's more answers than questions.

609
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: That would be the more correct way to say it.

610
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: Right, because everyone's got their own take on every one

611
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: of these questions. Yeah, okay, so some of your questions,

612
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: some of our episodes are a little bit more high

613
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: level as well. You've got some that are pretty tactical,

614
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: and then you've got some that kind of zoom out

615
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: to the thirty thousand foot overview almost like more thematic,

616
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: And this next one's one of those.

617
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Speaker 2: This question, this episode.

618
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: Will be asking about what the biggest mistake is that

619
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: people make that's keeping hunters from going from being good

620
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: to being great. So, what's what's creating this divide between

621
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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of good and then just a handful

622
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Speaker 3: of great hunters? What are the mistakes there?

623
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Speaker 2: How did that come to be?

624
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: How have you been framing that up for these guests?

625
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: And then what do you think?

626
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the root of the question everyone wants.

627
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: I would feel if you've listened to deer hunting podcasts

628
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: you want to get better, you wouldn't be listening to

629
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: anything and trying to self educate if you didn't want

630
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: to get better, and so I think good to great

631
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: is objective, right, Maybe a great hunter means something to

632
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: me than what it does to you. And that's part

633
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: of the you know, having a subjective question like that,

634
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: because it creates an open opportunity for the guests to like,

635
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: what is a good hunter?

636
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: What is a great hunter?

637
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: But I think most people there are serious hunters with

638
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 4: all the tools and information that are available, are good.

639
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: And I think that there's some things like what are

640
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: the these guys doing differently that makes them great?

641
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Because they are great?

642
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: I mean, their track record is you know, they're doing

643
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: a lot of the things that we all aspire to do,

644
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: and a lot of them are later in their hunting

645
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: careers where they've gone through the trials and tribulations to

646
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: be good to great. So that was the basis of

647
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: the question, and the answers were kind of all over

648
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: the place. Ironically, they were kind of all over the place.

649
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: I thought.

650
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: I thought a lot of the questions, I thought the

651
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: most common answer would be you gotta stop shooting good bucks.

652
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: That did come up. But the other theme I had

653
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: noticed was effort.

654
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: It's effort, yeah, having you know, whether that's multiple spots

655
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: knocking on more doors having planned a B C, D,

656
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Speaker 4: E f G.

657
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Because we've talked about this on like buying land.

658
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: One of the mistakes I think people make is they

659
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: buy a farm and they just hunt it to death,

660
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: and I think that's like part of being from good

661
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: to great. So it was a very fun question because

662
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: everyone wants to find success and what are these guys

663
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: doing that are making them great? So that was rude

664
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: and that was one of the themes that I picked

665
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: up that I thought was pretty interesting.

666
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: I think that this one might be one of the

667
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: more interesting episodes, even though it's one of the most

668
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: open ending questions, or maybe because it's one of the

669
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: most open ending questions, people are going to take in

670
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: many different directions, but all of them coming from such

671
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: a strong background themselves. So I'm intrigued. What is what's

672
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: your angle on this one, Jake, What do you think

673
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: is the key?

674
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

675
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: Man, I think it's I think a lot of it

676
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: comes out of effort, I really do. I think there's

677
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: in the world we live you can go after and

678
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: get whatever you want with the right amount of effort

679
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: and looping in the right people to learn the right

680
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: things and I feel that people who I feel like

681
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: it's easy to fall into a rut like, hey, these

682
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: are the two farms I hunt, and whatever is there

683
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: is what I'm gonna hunt. But I aspired a chase

684
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: X caliber of deer and maybe that area just doesn't

685
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: produce it, and so you might be great for the area.

686
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: But maybe that measurement of great is internally and more

687
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: self fulfilling, because I think that's probably what it is.

688
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: I think a lot of these people, although they've made

689
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: a career with white teal hunting, they're truly passionate and

690
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 4: ate up about getting better every year and learning.

691
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: And it's not it's not vanity.

692
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: I think that that's something that a lot of people

693
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: misunderstand with like people that are that have a reputation

694
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: for killing big deer. I really think ninety nine percent

695
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: of those people they do not do it for vanity.

696
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: They do it because they are addicted to learning, addicted

697
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: to hunting big deer, and uh, I think there's nothing

698
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: wrong with that.

699
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I can't argue with that.

700
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 3: I keep on finding myself wanting to jump in with

701
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: my takes on these, but then I catch myself because

702
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm just a wait, yeah, and do one of these myself.

703
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: So's I keep on having to bite my tongue.

704
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: It's very difficult for me to do that. Jake.

705
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna get you get all the you got

706
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: all the questions in advance, and we get to discuss

707
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: the reason why you have a leg up.

708
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: So I do.

709
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: This is true, but I don't think it's gonna make

710
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: my answers any better than these other guys, So that's

711
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: for sure. Okay, next one, and this is one that

712
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: again we've all been in this bucket or in this

713
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: boat before. I can't find a buck to hunt, now what?

714
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: And I think this is a question that would work

715
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: on August first, or October first or November first. I've

716
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 3: had that happen every single one of those dates. So

717
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: tell me about the question.

718
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think as anticipation builds, so this is

719
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 4: going to go live around mid August, and that's where

720
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: the deer basically done growing and buddies are sending you

721
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: pictures of giant deer they have in velvet, and you're

722
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 4: just feeling like a loser if you're like, I can't

723
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: find anything to hunt. I have my cameras out, I've

724
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: done everything I could, and there's a level of panic,

725
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: and I think it's probably self imposed panic for everyone.

726
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: And so I wanted to get an idea of are

727
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: you screwed? Or should you be optimistic? Should you be

728
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: searching high and low to maybe find a deer that

729
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: would get you excited to hunt. And so that was

730
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: the basis of the question. And I've talked to people,

731
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: you know, like, hey, i' was receiving I got nothing

732
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: to hunt, And the point is like, well, if you're

733
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: that guy and you say it like e or should

734
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 4: you be e or or should you be super excited?

735
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: So that was the basis of the question.

736
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: Did you get the answers you expected on that one?

737
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: A little bit of a mix. This one was a

738
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: little bit of a mix. I think.

739
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: You know, people talk about the shift from summer to

740
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: fall ranges, and that was something that we did cover

741
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 4: a lot. And there was some specific details too of

742
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: some of the in some of these areas of how

743
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: far maybe that shift is because you hear a shift,

744
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 4: does that mean five.

745
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Miles or does that mean one mile?

746
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 4: Or what habitat type to what summer habitat to fall

747
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: habitat And that episode, I'm really excited about because I

748
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: think there were some things that I got reassurance from me.

749
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: I'm run a cameras right now, I don't have there's

750
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: a farm, right don't have a mature buck on camera

751
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 4: right now, And then I'm a little nervous, But hey,

752
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: I don't have to be unless you listen to the

753
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: episode and come up with some other reasons.

754
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: But I think, no matter when it is, I.

755
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: Think there's to your point if you could listen that

756
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: a variety at different times and give some tangible strategy

757
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: to try to find something to hunt.

758
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: So that's and the other thing too. One of the

759
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: common things themes was finding one is usually the hardest part,

760
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: so you gotta work really hard.

761
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's what's the way that you deal with this?

762
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: How do you think about this when you find yourself

763
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 3: in that in that camp?

764
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: I don't panic, I think, and I used to because

765
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: I've had the ability to run a lot of cameras

766
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: on a lot of different farms, and so I just

767
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: had noticed that some farms would have a lot of

768
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: self summer velvet bucks, and I was super excited. And

769
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: then after a few hard frost, the habitat type changes,

770
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: they all disappear and it's like, oh, that wasn't really great.

771
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: And then there's other farms where I'm I'm I'm most

772
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: excited about what shows up in October because usually they stick.

773
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: Around and those are the deer that you're gonna have

774
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: an opportunity to hunt.

775
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: And so I do not panic, and usually I have

776
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: to tell you know, friends or people that reach out

777
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 4: like I don't have anything on Campwait, it's gonna get better,

778
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 4: especially if the habitat is a good fall habitat and

779
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: or there's crop rotations. And that's a huge thing in

780
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: farm country where a ditch out in the middle of

781
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: nowhere that has standing crops all the way around it

782
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: and there's food, maybe a creek runs through, Like, there's

783
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: a lot of resources for a deer to hang out there.

784
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: You take out a lot of the the site barrier

785
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 4: of crops, that whole that whole ditch is gonna hunt

786
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: a lot different. Now a buck may push it, or

787
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: a domemat, a buck may push a dough out there,

788
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: and that could still be a great a great spot.

789
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: But everything changes, and so you just gotta you gotta

790
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: be aware of that and be optimistic, but don't.

791
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: Be lackadaizable would be my my take on it.

792
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and that brings me to like the next

793
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: situation though, is like are there situations when you should

794
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: be worried or when you should be like, oh, there's

795
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: not a buck here. I'm interested in hunting, and now

796
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: I do need to like go to Plan B, Plant C,

797
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: Plan D and find one. Did did Did some of

798
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: the guests kind of go that direction with it?

799
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, we got Thomas Mills.

800
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 4: I answered that question in a really fun way to

801
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: where a point of like, hey, if that is you, yeah,

802
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: you should feel you should panic. And it's very specific,

803
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: and so I'm gonna have to leave a cliffhanger on that.

804
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: I feel like a guy that's trying to sell a

805
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: book but not talk about the book, and like you

806
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: have to buy the book to hear it.

807
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: So I apologize for that, and I don't know where

808
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: the line is.

809
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: Well, we're always walking on the line here on the show.

810
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I hope that I'm not in that

811
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: boat this year. I was in that boat last year

812
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 3: a lot of it and never did find a deer

813
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: that I was too terribly into.

814
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's not true. I found.

815
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: There was one dear I was after, and you know

816
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: about it because I killed it right after I told

817
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: you I was gonna yep. But then in my other

818
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: main area that was a doozy.

819
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: But did you find anything that throughout the fall that

820
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: showed up.

821
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: No, not that I really wanted to hunt.

822
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: You have to learn it.

823
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, there's been two. There have been two, you know,

824
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: bucks that I was hoping to hunt that year in

825
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: this other area, and they both one of them disappeared early,

826
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: really early. One of them disappeared early October. And then

827
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: one of them, one of those deer got killed by

828
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: someone else, I found out later. And then one of

829
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: those deer showed up randomly for like three four days

830
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: in November and then disappeared again.

831
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: And it was only at night.

832
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: And he went from being a homebody for three years

833
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: to being a ghost at five. And uh, I don't

834
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, any idea if he's around anymore.

835
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: Probably not.

836
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: So we had to listen to that episode. You'll you'll

837
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: feel energized and discouraged at the same time.

838
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I plan on it all right, next episode, next question,

839
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: And this is another one we kind of alluded to earlier.

840
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: This is you said, this gets you excited. It gets

841
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: me very excited too. This is one of my absolute

842
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: favorite things. I just got access to a new farm.

843
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: What should I do now? That's the best walk in

844
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 3: a new farm. The excitement, the optimism so so great.

845
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the root of that question is a lot of

846
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: times people, you know, maybe maybe as season approaches, they

847
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: get a little bit more aggressive. Maybe they decide to

848
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: buy a farm. Maybe they decide to you know, at

849
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: least pops up and they scoop it up. Maybe they

850
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: get permission. And the reason I asked this question too,

851
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: it's around August twenty fifth, and so you can't do

852
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: all these big awesome projects that everyone talks about. Go

853
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: do a you know, a ten acre TSI cut, or

854
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: doze in a new road, or you know, carve out

855
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: this new giant food plot. So you the question is

856
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: rooted in the idea of you kind of have to

857
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: play the cards that you're dealt right now. And so

858
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 4: that was an interesting caveat to the question to where

859
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: once again there's kind of a variance of answers. There

860
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: was I would say a general consensus amongst all of them,

861
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: but it's a super exciting time. But you have to

862
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: be thoughtful one methodical, and these guys are all thoughtful

863
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: and methodical. So that's why I felt like it was

864
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: a perfect question for him.

865
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: Now, you know, I could see there being two angles

866
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: on this. There could be some guys who it all

867
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: depends on the time of the year, but in this time,

868
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: with at least the episode dropping, you know, at the

869
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: end of the summer, maybe some folks would be like, Okay,

870
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: I just got asks to the farm. It's too late

871
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: to do anything. It's just how do I hunt it

872
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 3: as it is right now? And then I could see

873
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: maybe some people would still be like, hey, it's there's

874
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: still time to do something, and maybe they would aggressively

875
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: try to make one last minute change of some kind

876
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: or something. Did you get people with both of those

877
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: two different ideas or is everyone like hands off, it's

878
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: too late, or what was the any consensus on that front?

879
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: It was more conservative than what I had initially anticipated.

880
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: And that was the fun because I had some Like

881
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 4: I said, I had some guesses how some of the

882
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 4: like a lot of the people have interviewed multiple times,

883
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: so I kind.

884
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: Of think I think I know how they think.

885
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: But they do, but I don't clearly, and the general

886
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 4: consensus was being pretty conservative and very thoughtful with what

887
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: do you do now? And that episode should be pretty

888
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: interesting for folks because inherently, even even some of their answers,

889
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: I feel if you were the guy that fell behind

890
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 4: throughout the summer, that it's that a lot of the

891
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: philosophy is very applicable.

892
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: To that to that individual as well.

893
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Jake, you just got access to a new

894
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 3: farm at the end of August or early September, and

895
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: we'll say you're in Illinois, so your season opens in

896
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 3: one month's time.

897
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: What do you do? I'm hanging.

898
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: My ideal situation is I'm going to have a full

899
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 4: free day dark to dark, ideally no interruptions throughout the day,

900
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: and I'm going to have as many cameras as I

901
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: think i'm going to need. I'm going to bring as

902
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: many prehan sets as I think I'm going to need,

903
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: and I just go through about my day and try

904
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: to use whatever whitetail knowledge is in my brain to

905
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: read and anticipate what is going to go on. In

906
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: a perfect world, if there was an area where I

907
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 4: could still get in some food, I would probably like

908
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 4: to do that, but I don't necessarily think I would

909
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: unless I felt very very confident of this is where

910
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 4: it needs to go and this is the reason behind it,

911
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 4: because that's a pretty big decision to bring in equipment

912
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: and do that. But I'm just going to go in

913
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: and hang a lot of cameras and hang a lot

914
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: of stands if it makes sense. If there's only like

915
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 4: two good spots that make sense where I can blow

916
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: my scent and have good access, and I'm only going

917
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: to hang two sets, but then I'm going to hang

918
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: multiple cameras to get tell that's my plan.

919
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: And you said earlier when we were talking about cameras

920
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: that you would error.

921
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: I think you said this.

922
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you said

923
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: that you would be more of the kind of person

924
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: who would walk like every square inch to figure it

925
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: out versus stand on the outskirts.

926
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Is that true?

927
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say for sure, because there's not a

928
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: lot of big farms here, so it doesn't take very

929
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: long to cover forty acres or fifty acres. I mean,

930
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: if I fell into a dream scenario where it's you know,

931
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: a thousand acres, no no way or even or even

932
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: two hundred, I think I probably wouldn't, but a forty

933
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 4: to twenty, a fifty, probably an eighty. I'm probably going

934
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: to cover not a thousand percent of it, but there's

935
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: many of the arteries of the farm that I can.

936
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the next one. And this one gives me

937
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: heartburn just saying it. I imagine there will be people that

938
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: will get heartburn just a clicking play on that podcast,

939
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: because if they are clicking play on that podcast, they're

940
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: doing it because they have they're either experiencing this right

941
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: now or have in the past, or anticipating this possibly

942
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: happening to them in the short term, which is, uh,

943
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: my food plots look like crap. Now what So you've

944
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: got a failed food plot. We've all been there, very distressing,

945
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: especially if it's getting late into the year. If it's

946
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: like a fall food plot, you just playing in August

947
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: or something, and now it's September and it's looking bad.

948
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm there too often. I never like it.

949
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: What tell me about the question? Give me some thoughts.

950
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 4: Everyone everyone always has very high expectations for food plots,

951
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: and they see it on Instagram or a magazine where

952
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 4: it's just you know, looks perfect, and everyone's no matter

953
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: how good the food pot looks, they always wish it

954
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: could look a little bit better more than likely, And

955
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 4: a lot of people put a lot of stock into

956
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 4: food plots too, So that was part of the root

957
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: of the question of if your food plot looks like crap,

958
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: is your season bust or is it you know, is

959
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: this something truly distressed about? And some of those guests

960
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: dove into that naturally, and it's been really dry the

961
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: last handful of falls. So most fall food plots have

962
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 4: not done well based off of your planting method and

963
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 4: everything else too. So what are some what are some

964
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 4: under what are some commonalities of why your food plot

965
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: is failing as well? If it fails every single year,

966
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Are you not addressing the soil?

967
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 4: Maybe you need to consider a perennial instead of a

968
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: fall food plot. So those are all things that most

969
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: people plant food plots. Most people wish they look better,

970
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: everyone wishes they didn't fail, and everyone's been in that boat.

971
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: So that was the root of the question.

972
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I have followed the Jeff's Sturgist

973
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: method of dealing with food plot failure. A lot, and

974
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: have also reached out to them many summers early falls,

975
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: like Jeff, what about now?

976
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: What about this situation? What do I do?

977
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: Given this? So I'm sure they have something great to

978
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: say on this one too.

979
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of really good answers for this,

980
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: and a lot of the answers were very very common

981
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: on the strategy, the seed type, maybe the rates, and

982
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 4: some of them dive into maybe, you know, why why

983
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 4: did it fail? Was it because of weather? Is it

984
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 4: because of a different reason.

985
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: Because you were a horrible farmer?

986
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, right, maybe that is the case.

987
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: It's probably the case for most of us being amateur

988
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 3: ad hoc farmers for a few weeks a year. Yep,

989
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: all right, Well what about you if you've got a

990
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: fouled food plot?

991
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: How do you tackle it?

992
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: Or what would you suggest to someone who's in that

993
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: in that situation.

994
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 4: I I've had, I'll say this, I've been able to

995
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 4: run a drill from a county NRCS office and so

996
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: that has really.

997
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Helped keep moisture in the soil.

998
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: And before I did that, i'd work the dirt and

999
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: you know, like the classic steps that we all kind

1000
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: of grew up on. I would have more failures with that,

1001
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: and since using a drill, I've had a lot better

1002
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 4: luck of retaining soil moisture and keeping something on the

1003
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 4: on the in the plots year round and not letting

1004
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: weeds take over. So that's been something that thankfully I

1005
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 4: haven't had a major failure the last couple of years.

1006
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: Prior to that same thing, Jeff sturgis cereal box of

1007
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: you know all these different you know, oh, it's right,

1008
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 4: you know, all these different things that is going to

1009
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: green up and grow really fast.

1010
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: And so.

1011
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: That's been my I hope I don't have to do

1012
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: that this year, but I could. You know, it's it's

1013
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 4: weather dependent, and I have paid way more attention to

1014
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: getting actual soil samples. Like before, for three or four

1015
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 4: years ago, I never got a soil sample that's like, oh,

1016
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 4: you know, if this is dirt, it should grow whatever

1017
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 4: I want. And so I've been educated more on that,

1018
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: and so it's a moving spectrum, and I think that

1019
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: question will be helpful for everyone bait, you know, even

1020
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: if you're just starting out or if you've done food

1021
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: pods for twenty years. I feel like there's some things

1022
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: in there that will be helpful for everyone, which I'm

1023
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: really happy with how that episode is turning out great.

1024
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: Speaking of heartburn, next question, my whole area got hammered

1025
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 3: by e HD.

1026
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: Now what h.

1027
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that was a hard question to ask some

1028
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 4: of these people because they had experienced that. When I

1029
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 4: when I asked Bill yesterday, I was like, I promise

1030
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: I did not ask. I did not formulate this question

1031
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 4: to cause pain for you. But the reason being is,

1032
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: unfortunately there's parts of the country that are seeing more

1033
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: EHD cases than you know, Southern Iowad, Northern Missouri has

1034
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 4: you know, been kind of the epicenter of a lot

1035
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: of EHDU outbreaks over recent years, but there's been cases

1036
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 4: in Ohio, other states, Indiana, and so the question is, unfortunately,

1037
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 4: you may have to face this in a five year period,

1038
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 4: a ten year period. And I wanted to talk to

1039
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: people that have experienced it, or have consulted on farms

1040
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 4: or been on farms that you got decimated, and what

1041
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: do you do and what's what's the recourse? Is there

1042
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: a silver lining to this? I feel like there's a

1043
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 4: lot of different perceptions of EHD, and these people are

1044
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: super serious about white tails and they want the white

1045
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: tail her to do well, and so I feel like

1046
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 4: a lot of them are self educated. Are they have

1047
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 4: a doctorate an EHD? No, but probably pretty close. So

1048
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to dive into all this because, unfortunately,

1049
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: we all may have to face it in some capacity.

1050
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: Did you did you run them through the key filter?

1051
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: They shouldn't be allowed to answer that question until they

1052
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: can tell you what the acronym e h D stands for.

1053
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I could say it, but I would mispronounce

1054
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: it epizootic epozootic camorrhagic disease.

1055
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: That sounds right. You might have missed a letter, or

1056
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: maybe you nailed it. I don't know.

1057
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: I might have missed a letter too, but I'm pretty

1058
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: sure that I said, So, what what do you do?

1059
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: What?

1060
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: What would you say to someone who's in that situation?

1061
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 3: Have you been in this situation yourself?

1062
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 4: Thankfully this past year there was some e HD cases

1063
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 4: uh near where I was at. There was unfortunately, fortunately

1064
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 4: not wiped out by any means, so that that was

1065
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 4: a bonus. I have never had a face ah, true

1066
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 4: catastrophic EHD wipe out because I had a lot of

1067
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 4: different areas and that's this seems like it doesn't wipe

1068
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: out a whole county.

1069
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: It wipes out different pockets.

1070
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 4: And so it's a little bit moralizing when you're excited

1071
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: about a deer and you maybe watched throughout the summer,

1072
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: you knew them from the year before, and then you

1073
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 4: know there's this massive dry spell or you start hearing

1074
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: about oh, so and so found fifteen deer dead and

1075
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: blah blah river and it starts to linger in the

1076
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: back of your mind of well did he he is

1077
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: not on camera?

1078
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: Is he dead? And it's not fun. But everyone has

1079
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: faced the thought process.

1080
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 4: Of did that deer die of EHD in the last

1081
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 4: two weeks, the last month. And I framed that question

1082
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: in a way it was not necessarily confirmed too, because

1083
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: I feel like EHD is always a rumor.

1084
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: It's always in the rumor mill. It's always a rumor mill.

1085
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: It's never I found fifteen, it's so and so heard

1086
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 4: from so and so that so and so.

1087
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: Found, you know, fifty deer.

1088
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 4: So I framed it as it's rumors, it's I've heard

1089
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 4: hearsay and yeah, but thank gosh, I have not had

1090
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: to experience that. But some of those questions, some of

1091
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 4: the answers were probably what you could expect, pack up

1092
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 4: and go somewhere else, because that's you can't magically make

1093
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 4: them appear if they're dead.

1094
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is true if you get hit really bad.

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00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: But I feel like there's a silver lining sometimes. But

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Speaker 3: I'll save my I'll save my answer on that. Again,

1097
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: I need to shut up and stop talking. Okay, ehd

1098
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Speaker 3: let's move on from that one. Here's another one of

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Speaker 3: those like higher level thematic kind of ones. What can

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Speaker 3: hunters do now to make sure that the next twenty

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Speaker 3: five years of deer hunting are better than the last

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Speaker 3: twenty five? And when I read this question, I kind

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Speaker 3: of was not confused, but I was curious from like

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00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: what angle people would approach this. Would they be looking

1105
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: at this, like, how do I make my next twenty

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Speaker 3: five years better like individually versus the last twenty five

1107
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: five years? Or how do I make sure that like

1108
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: deer hunting in general for everyone is better for the

1109
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: next twenty five years. Did you have a specific one

1110
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: of those that you were thinking when you wrote this,

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00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: or were you kind of knowing that it could go

1112
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 3: either way and you wanted that to be the case.

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00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 4: I was trying to leave it open ended because I

1114
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: wanted to see and this is how I asked the question.

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00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 4: Almost every time, you or me, or anyone listening to

1116
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: this wants to make the next twenty five years of

1117
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: deer hunting better than their last. And a lot of

1118
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: the answers were individual based, because I've framed it as

1119
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 4: you know, you as an individual, you're only one guy,

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Speaker 4: and you know, can one guy create enough impact to

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Speaker 4: make it better for everyone?

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00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: And maybe that was some of the answers.

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Speaker 4: But I purposely left it to where you could look

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Speaker 4: at it holistically or individually, because why two hunting is

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00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: extremely selfish endeavor for a lot of these A lot

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Speaker 4: of these guys, I would say, I feel like they

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00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 4: would probably describe themselves in some way as a loner

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00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: or someone that enjoys hunting by themselves, or you know,

1129
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 4: they they don't have a camp and they bring in,

1130
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 4: you know, ten of their high school buddies and you know,

1131
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 4: ten of their friends, and they just go about it

1132
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 4: like all these guys are very methodical and work really

1133
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 4: hard for their for their own goals and satisfaction. So

1134
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 4: there are some really interesting answers on a holistic approach

1135
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 4: and how one person can make an impact for many people.

1136
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 4: And then there was some that if you want to

1137
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: have the next twenty five years be better than the last,

1138
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: you are going to have to make some specific things happen.

1139
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, Jake, what about you, How how do you

1140
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: think a hunter now can make the next twenty five

1141
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 3: years better?

1142
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: I think it's I think you're going to have to

1143
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 4: work really hard. I think you're going to have to

1144
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 4: lock up some form of private property so you can

1145
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: make posit sive impacts on the landscape and also hopefully

1146
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: inspire others to do the same. I truly feel that

1147
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: some of the best habitat managers and people that are

1148
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 4: ate up with white tails take such good care of

1149
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: the ground and inspire others to do the same. You

1150
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 4: look at this craze of managing timber properly. No one

1151
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: used to be excited about that, and so you look

1152
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 4: at that. You can't do that on public ground. You

1153
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: can't create you know, they do it on a large scale,

1154
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 4: but like as an individual, you can't do that. I

1155
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: can't go take a chanceaw and go do ts I

1156
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 4: on a piece of public So I think that.

1157
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: You could, you just might get you might get serious trouble.

1158
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's kind of my thought process, and I

1159
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: do think.

1160
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: We always look back.

1161
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 4: Part of the reason I asked that question too, is

1162
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 4: people romanticize over a nostalgia, and so everyone says that

1163
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: you know the path, it is just the good old days.

1164
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 4: We're going to say that in twenty five years, right,

1165
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 4: And so that was another of the question of I

1166
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: knew everyone would romanticize. No one said, well, out the

1167
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: last twenty five years have actually been pretty dang good,

1168
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: and I don't think we had to do anything better.

1169
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 4: So that was another like kind of thought process behind

1170
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: the question. But yeah, I don't I don't have a

1171
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 4: great answer because I think it's it's loaded. I mean,

1172
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 4: that is a loaded question, and I I got more

1173
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 4: enjoyment asking it than I did answering it.

1174
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that.

1175
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: So final question is are we are you doing the

1176
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: bonus episode final question or no? Was that the last

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00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: episode or is there a ninth episode that we.

1178
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 4: Got to figure that out? Yeah, so I would say

1179
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: there's eight for sure, and we're going to figure out

1180
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do with the alternate the alternate question.

1181
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: Do you want to answer the alternate or do you

1182
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 3: want to hould off on that as a secret.

1183
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 4: I mean, we could tease real quick, we go over

1184
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: real quick, okay, and maybe people will pipe in and

1185
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: tell whether they or not or whether or not they want.

1186
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: You to do that one, although I might be too

1187
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: late that.

1188
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: So this is this is an interesting one because I

1189
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: think this question gets to maybe how each one of

1190
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: these hunters defines success or how we define success. I

1191
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: think that's what this question gets at. Maybe at least

1192
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: that's the way I look at it. But the question

1193
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: is this, do great hunters really shoot a buck every year?

1194
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 4: The root of that question is everyone goes into season

1195
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: with really high expectations and goals, and everyone wants to

1196
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 4: fill their buck tag, right, That's why you do all

1197
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: the work year round. And some of these hunters, you know,

1198
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 4: like the follow up question asked a lot of times

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Speaker 4: out of the last ten years, how many years did

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: you not shoot a buck? And there was actually a

1201
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 4: common percentage to where it was like, Okay, these are

1202
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: some of the best hunters for this percent of years.

1203
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: Either their target buck their.

1204
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 4: Hunting died you know from EHD, neighbor shot them, disappeared,

1205
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: or they couldn't find a deer that made them happy,

1206
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 4: or you know, the list kind of goes on, but

1207
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 4: there was a certain percentage that seemed to follow amongst

1208
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 4: those hunters. But none of them, now there was another

1209
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: really good answer within that of the answer was bluntly yes.

1210
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: And the reason being is just because you can't find

1211
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 4: a high scoring deer, maybe there's a mature buck that

1212
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 4: you could, you know, help ensure got shot, which I

1213
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: thought was a really interesting perspective. But none of them said, like, yeah,

1214
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 4: every great hunter shoots a buck no matter what, and

1215
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 4: they just lower their goals until they magically, you know,

1216
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 4: come across the deer so they can say they shot

1217
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 4: a buck for the last fifty years, fifty years that

1218
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 4: that did.

1219
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: That was not the answer. Yeah, what's your answer.

1220
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say every single year, but I would say

1221
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: when they said the percentage that was kind of the

1222
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 4: thought process of it was about eighty percent, about eighty percent,

1223
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 4: ninety percent, one was seventy percent. So you know, ten

1224
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: out of ten years the only eat attack three times.

1225
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: And I would say that's probably accurate, I really do.

1226
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: And but you know, because the reason I think is

1227
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 4: that high too for a lot of those people, because

1228
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 4: they put so much work and they have option ABC, D,

1229
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: E FG, And you know, I think that's a something

1230
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 4: that I'm consciously trying to do every single year to

1231
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: have a lot of different options because crazy things happen.

1232
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: You can lose permission, something crazy happens, and so when

1233
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 4: you have all your season riding into one plan, that's scary.

1234
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: Bet, it's a scary disaster. Yes, yes, yeah, that's the truth.

1235
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: I know how that feels sometimes. Well, what is there

1236
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: anything else that you want folks to know about this

1237
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: series coming up? That they should be thinking about, that

1238
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: they should be looking forward to, that they should.

1239
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: Be anxious about.

1240
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: What should they what's the last thing that folks should

1241
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: be living here today with knowing about what's to come.

1242
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 4: They're going to have a weekly eight person panel of

1243
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 4: coaches to lead them along in the excitement of season.

1244
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: So each of these are thematically following the excitement of

1245
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: the season. Different opportunities of you know, windows of opportunity

1246
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 4: prior to season, and whether you've been hunting for a

1247
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: super long time or you're new, this is going to

1248
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 4: be your weekly check in to get expert advice on

1249
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 4: one topic and dive not super deep into it, but

1250
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 4: get the quick and dirty with some nuance for every

1251
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 4: single topic.

1252
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about it.

1253
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: And you know, I I with just some of the

1254
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 4: conversation and they're like, man, that's a really good idea.

1255
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I'm excited to see how this turns out.

1256
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 4: So I'd love to hear people's feedback because I think,

1257
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 4: you know, most podcasts just like this one. You know,

1258
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 4: it's just you and I talking, and so I think

1259
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: there's this a lot of information and perspectives and a

1260
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 4: short amount of time to you know, get refined and

1261
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 4: relate to one of the eight people, four of the

1262
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 4: eight people, or you think all eight of them are crazy.

1263
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: That's gonna be up to you.

1264
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think one way or another, it's gonna be fascinating.

1265
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: I'm very excited about it. I'm glad it's come together,

1266
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you putting in the time and effort

1267
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 3: to bring this to Fruition. So thank you for that. Yeah,

1268
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: I appreciate the opportunity absolutely. All right, man, Well, I'm

1269
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: excited to tune in. You and I are gonna be

1270
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: doing some stuff together next week, which I'm excited about,

1271
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: and recording my version of this or my part of

1272
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: this series. So looking forward to seeing you soon and

1273
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: making all.

1274
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: That happen awesome.

1275
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on here, all right,

1276
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 3: and that's gonna do it today. I appreciate you joining us.

1277
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 3: Please tune in next week for the first episode of

1278
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 3: the Back forty podcast and every week for the next

1279
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: eight weeks. I'm sure you guys are gonna enjoy this one.

1280
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: We get some really interesting insights as you heard here

1281
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 3: with Jake kind of previewing things. I can't wait to

1282
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: tune into the full shows myself, so stay tuned for that.

1283
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for future episodes of Wired Hunt, of course,

1284
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: the Foundations podcast excuse me, the Foundations Podcast with Tony.

1285
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: We've got a new season of ret Fresh Radio coming

1286
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: up here soon too, as we mentioned, and it's gonna

1287
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: be a great fall. So until then, stick around for

1288
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 3: the next week's podcast. Thanks for being a part of

1289
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 3: this and stay wired to Hunt.