WEBVTT - What Really Happened This Election? | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is

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<v Speaker 2>our mini pod. We tricked, y'all, We still here. I

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to touch base with y'all because we did

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<v Speaker 2>a whole show where we ended up in a rumble

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<v Speaker 2>around the Oval office and whose I asked, should have

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<v Speaker 2>a chair in there. But what we didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>is what happened in the elections. Well, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>that our perspectives matter here. A lot of the folks

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<v Speaker 2>that have something to say don't necessarily have the inroads

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<v Speaker 2>with the people we know within these campaigns. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think the other thing that has been talked about in

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<v Speaker 2>passing but not as much as the fact that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just a Harris for President campaign loss. The Senate

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<v Speaker 2>is gone and so is the House, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about what we all think happened. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure that this is another one of those conversations where

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable minds can disagree, and so I want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>what you think. Andrew. You are our resident candidate, democratic

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<v Speaker 2>strategist that has run a campaign and knows what it's

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<v Speaker 2>like to get close. I think you probably only know

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like to get close. You only have won,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've only gotten close. You've never had a blowout

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<v Speaker 2>like this. So what do you think went wrong? Or

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<v Speaker 2>what do you know went wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Angela? I can tell you one thing that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>went right, and that is Kamala Harris, with one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>days to transition from VP candidate to presidential candidate, which

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<v Speaker 1>is I can't even imagine the change that would have

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<v Speaker 1>had to happen, ran through the goddamn tape. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she was everywhere, talked to everybody. Are their tactical pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that needed to change? Are there? You know, things that

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<v Speaker 1>can always be done on the edges and the scene

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<v Speaker 1>in scenes of a campaign. Absolutely, But when you think greater,

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<v Speaker 1>bigger picture, Kamala Harris did what she could do as

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<v Speaker 1>a candidate. She could not, however, answer for endemic problems

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<v Speaker 1>and within the Democratic Party structure and quite frankly, the

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<v Speaker 1>diminished democratic turnout that we experienced in this election. Let

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<v Speaker 1>nobody forget that we had a voter drop off from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, and the seven states

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<v Speaker 1>that were battleground states where Kamala competed on the air,

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<v Speaker 1>was very present, tried to make her case. She lost

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<v Speaker 1>to Donald Trump by basically three points on average between

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<v Speaker 1>those those states or less that she did not compete,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning they were not they were not battleground states. She

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<v Speaker 1>lost by six points or greater. What's the point there?

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<v Speaker 1>And places where she where people got to hear her,

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<v Speaker 1>where people got to hear her defense and what she

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<v Speaker 1>stood for. She closed the gap between Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans by three points of industrialized nations where and I

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<v Speaker 1>know people were like, well, we don't live in industrialized

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<v Speaker 1>that we live in the United States. Will listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this just globally. Globally, the incumbent parties, be they conservative

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<v Speaker 1>or liberal, and democracies all across the globe up until

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<v Speaker 1>getting to ours, the incumbent party and leadership were walloped

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<v Speaker 1>across the board. The United States, of all of those

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<v Speaker 1>developed nations who had democratic elections, had this small list

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<v Speaker 1>the the smallest defeat of any of the other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's important to understand. Because Kamala closed a

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<v Speaker 1>very significant gap, it should have been worse. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason it should have been worse is I got to

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<v Speaker 1>retort back to James Carville, it's the economy stupid. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know we've been talking a bit about whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not there is some a duplicity, and people believe it

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<v Speaker 1>in that message. But when you can take black men's

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<v Speaker 1>support to low twenty percent and Latino men's support to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent plus a twenty five point shift in a cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't just trump it up to what is a

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<v Speaker 1>significant issue here, which is that of race and gender,

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<v Speaker 1>including amongst these two groups that I just mentioned as

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<v Speaker 1>being real impediments to Kamala's ability to scale that additional hurdle.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, while we did not win in a

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<v Speaker 1>number of plays, this is where we wanted to win.

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<v Speaker 1>At the top of the ticket. The most Democrats really

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<v Speaker 1>did mitigate a number of losses. Hakeem Jeffries will have experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>What potential gain of one or two seats, a loss

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<v Speaker 1>of one or two seats. The fact that they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to help steady when people held us accountable for

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<v Speaker 1>not being able to afford their groceries. That is, that

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<v Speaker 1>is not a mandate for the president or the Congress

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<v Speaker 1>to treat the opposing party and their beliefs and their

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<v Speaker 1>supporters any kind of way. I know everybody thinks you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that went wrong. What I'm saying is is that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot that went right that we are

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<v Speaker 1>not accounting for, and the way this election in total

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<v Speaker 1>played out.

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<v Speaker 2>The other I want to know what those things are.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the things that went right to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying that the loss wasn't that bad? So

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<v Speaker 2>that's when right? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, yes, in part because it was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be much greater. I know we all had optimism that

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<v Speaker 1>it was the devil versus the angels sitting on the shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not an angel. But I'm just making the comparison,

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<v Speaker 1>which means he was canceled, could not be considered well.

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<v Speaker 1>For a lot of voters. They didn't experience him so

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<v Speaker 1>badly the first time. They ignored a lot of his nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>which was consequential for a lot of communities, but they

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<v Speaker 1>ignored it, and what they recall was that their groceries

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<v Speaker 1>were accessible and affordable. You had people across the board

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they felt like they financially did better even

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<v Speaker 1>though the US survived. The US survived the inflation better

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<v Speaker 1>than any other industrialized country, we came out of it better.

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<v Speaker 1>We came out of COVID better. But people don't live

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<v Speaker 1>in other countries. They live in this one, and so

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<v Speaker 1>if their experience is bad, it's going to be reflected, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were a lot of contributing factors to

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<v Speaker 1>the loss that Democrats experienced. But I always felt like

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<v Speaker 1>this race was out of going to be like this

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<v Speaker 1>neck and neck, or that it was actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a demonstrable win. I was hoping that demonstrable win

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be in favor of Kamala Harris. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you look across these battleground states, the blue wall collapsed,

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<v Speaker 1>not terribly significantly, but enough for us not to win

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<v Speaker 1>those electoral votes. And we got to get inside what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell working people in this country? I think? And

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<v Speaker 1>when I include working people, I'm not talking about white

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<v Speaker 1>world folks. That is not a syndonym for working people.

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<v Speaker 1>Working people are black, brown, everything in between. Who felt

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<v Speaker 1>like this party was not doing their bidding even though

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<v Speaker 1>we're the only ones doing their bidding. The talking points

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side and the messaging from the other

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<v Speaker 1>side made them look like they were the Union Party

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<v Speaker 1>and not us. And we got to figure that shit out.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last point I'll make is when we were

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta, and I will never forget that young man

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<v Speaker 1>who stood up and talked about the hundreds of black

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<v Speaker 1>men that he encounters every single week in Atlanta through

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of his work, and the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>were saying that straight black men don't have a home

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<v Speaker 1>in the Democratic Party. And you then consider the significant

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<v Speaker 1>loss of black men, younger, Black Latino men younger, and

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<v Speaker 1>white men younger who philosophically are not identifying ex conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>They're just looking for a home.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they didn't Dane Brown with black men, Andrew, and

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be cautious about putting out doubttle.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I'm not saying that black men are responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala losing white women, without a doubt, they're white and

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<v Speaker 1>white men, or without a doubt, the reason that she

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<v Speaker 1>did not win it was their collapse. But what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do is ignore that in some of

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<v Speaker 1>these battle round states, Donald Trump got ten points more

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<v Speaker 1>than he did in the last election with black men

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<v Speaker 1>and doubled twenty points with Latinos. And so what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying is is we can't try to explain an academician.

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<v Speaker 1>Through academic exercise, our way out of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we have an emerging problem amongst certain constituencies that the

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<v Speaker 1>young men who do not feel like they are seen heard,

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<v Speaker 1>played with, dealt with within the Democratic Party, and that

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<v Speaker 1>will be a significant problem, especially when you consider what

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<v Speaker 1>the future demographic, voting demographic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just want to happen. Because we're ten minutes

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<v Speaker 3>in that piece. I think we have to consider that

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<v Speaker 3>the voter turnout itself was smaller and that's why some

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<v Speaker 3>of those gains looked like they were larger. I'll be

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<v Speaker 3>quick what I think went right. I think that Vice

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<v Speaker 3>President Harris ran an amazing campaign that was pulled together

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<v Speaker 3>and executed in one hundred and seven days. This idea

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<v Speaker 3>that she didn't talk about the economy is bullshit. She

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely did. You know, she put together an incredible campaign

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<v Speaker 3>in one hundred and seven days, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that she didn't talk about the economy is

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<v Speaker 3>complete and utter bullshit. And it drives me crazy that

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<v Speaker 3>people say that constantly across the cable news spectrum, and

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<v Speaker 3>hosts who are supposed to be journalists don't correct it.

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<v Speaker 3>She did talk about the economy. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 3>is anything that she could have done differently that would

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<v Speaker 3>have changed the outcome of this election. What I think

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<v Speaker 3>went wrong, hence right for the Trump campaign, is that

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<v Speaker 3>a majority of people in this country were either in

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<v Speaker 3>support of or okay with, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic viewpoints of

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<v Speaker 3>this president. Even if the president was saying, I will

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<v Speaker 3>do this thing for you, I will pretend to put

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<v Speaker 3>put this policy for which he didn't put any policy

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<v Speaker 3>up front, but he was saying under me, you'll walk

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<v Speaker 3>down streets paved with gold and have you know, refrigerators

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<v Speaker 3>and milk and honey every day, And in the next

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<v Speaker 3>breath he was calling Nancy Pelosi a bitch, or he

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<v Speaker 3>was dancing incoherently across stage for forty five minutes, or

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<v Speaker 3>insulting Michelle Obama, insulting Vice President Harris. They were okay

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<v Speaker 3>with all those things. So that is what we have

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<v Speaker 3>to confront in this country, quite frankly, the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>a majority of people were either in support of or

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<v Speaker 3>indifferent to his hatefulness and his hateful rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>I a few things. One, I want to commend Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris for a historic run and a very brave run.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anybody that could have pulled off what

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<v Speaker 2>she did in one hundred and seven days. So I

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<v Speaker 2>echo that Tiff. I also want to commend her on

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<v Speaker 2>molly wopping and mopping the floor with Donald Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>that debate. I also want to commend them on plugging

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<v Speaker 2>in influencers the best way they knew how in the camp.

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that the influencers and the surrogates who

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<v Speaker 2>participated on the campaign trail were probably one of the

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<v Speaker 2>more organizing, organized pieces of the campaign. However, that's not sufficient,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think andrew to the argument that we had

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<v Speaker 2>with Tiff before on if the role of celebrities is

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<v Speaker 2>outsized with what actually matters when people go into the

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<v Speaker 2>voting booth is something that really should be questioned at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. A lot of money was spent on getting

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<v Speaker 2>those folks out to the trail, getting them on the stage,

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<v Speaker 2>ensuring their involvement, and I don't know that she saw

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<v Speaker 2>a real ROI there, and that's something that has to

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<v Speaker 2>be discussed. I have a tremendous bone to pick with

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<v Speaker 2>white men and with white women. These are the same

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<v Speaker 2>folks I talked about needing to be held accountable for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they decide to do on election day, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not veering from that. I have a tremendous issue there

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to y'all because you showed up. The sad

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<v Speaker 2>part for y'all that showed up is you showed up

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<v Speaker 2>and voted against your interests. People have argued that you

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<v Speaker 2>did vote your interest What I'm saying to you is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not trying to call you ignorant, but I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that you voted in the long run, against your

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<v Speaker 2>interests and you don't even know it. You thought your

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<v Speaker 2>interests were mass deportation. You thought your interests were getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of DEI. You thought your interests were ensuring that

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<v Speaker 2>affirmative action no longer existed in institutions of higher learning

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<v Speaker 2>for your children. What you don't realize is the ways

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<v Speaker 2>in which these things are going to backfire and hit

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<v Speaker 2>you even even more. I gotta say that I think

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest winner in this campaign is once again, the

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<v Speaker 2>white consulting class. Regardless of what parties sit in, that

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<v Speaker 2>one has to be disrupted, it has to be destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about contracts in the hundreds of millions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars I'm sure folks will say, well, you're not looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this right because this was a media buy and

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<v Speaker 2>so most of this went to TV. Well, what ROI

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<v Speaker 2>do we have to say that it was worth the

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<v Speaker 2>campaign spending over two hundred million dollars with one vendor

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<v Speaker 2>for TV adviys. The ROI is not there. This has

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<v Speaker 2>to be disrupted and the bottom line is there was

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<v Speaker 2>a whole other contract for digital adviys. What ROI do

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<v Speaker 2>we have that says this was a good use of resources.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my point. There is nothing that y'all can do

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<v Speaker 2>to out smart good old fashioned canvassing, mail, door knocking,

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<v Speaker 2>text messages. You're not going to be able to goo

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<v Speaker 2>target enough in a digital space, to target enough on

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<v Speaker 2>a TV space to make up for the lack of

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<v Speaker 2>not being involved in knocking on doors. That was an

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<v Speaker 2>issue before Kamala Harris became the top of the ticket

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<v Speaker 2>and the nominee for this parties or this party's nominee

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<v Speaker 2>in this election. That was an issue that preceded Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden being at the top of the ticket. This is

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<v Speaker 2>an age old battle that has to be fought and

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<v Speaker 2>has to be challenged. There are black staff who are

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<v Speaker 2>part of the organizing community, part of canvassing challenge, paid

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<v Speaker 2>canvassers challenge whether or not this was the right tactic.

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<v Speaker 2>Said they didn't have the resources. Jasmine, who was the

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<v Speaker 2>state director in Florida andrew I said you are a

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<v Speaker 2>tweet her Twitter threat earlier. She goes in about how

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<v Speaker 2>much they had to rely on outside resources because they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get any resources from the campaign because the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>had pretty much given up on Florida. The sad part is, y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>that is not a Florida unique story. It is the

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<v Speaker 2>story of every battle ground state director and that has

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<v Speaker 2>to be discussed. They spent so much time and effort

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<v Speaker 2>in ensuring that these large, rich white consultants would keep

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<v Speaker 2>their share, could even potentially get bonuses off of a law,

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<v Speaker 2>but wouldn't get these folks the dollars they needed to

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<v Speaker 2>get signs on the ground, to get folks on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground knocking on doors. You guys, we went and knocked

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<v Speaker 2>on doors. We can figure out how to use the

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<v Speaker 2>MGB van at right. We could not say if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't home or not. We know that firsthand. But there

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<v Speaker 2>are folks who did this every single day that can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what went wrong here, y'all. Like I said

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<v Speaker 2>on the main episode, I was convinced this election had

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<v Speaker 2>to have been stolen in some really remarkable, challenging way

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<v Speaker 2>on data. It's not we ignored the people at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were ever, of course, But as usual, what

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<v Speaker 2>we've learned as well is that nothing from the top

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<v Speaker 2>ever trickles down. There's not a trickle down economy, there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a trickle down campaign. You cannot expect that people

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<v Speaker 2>will be touched just because folks are getting paid at

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<v Speaker 2>the top. So there's a lot more to be said there,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what I got to see. Say, the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>loser here is the DNC, because I think that thing's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to be disrupted and destroyed to really get

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<v Speaker 2>back to the heart of what it was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be for the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>What the biggest loser is the American people. And I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to echo your point, Angela. We know people,

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<v Speaker 3>we know personally, people who were given crumbs out of

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<v Speaker 3>this huge pot of money. They were given crumbs, and

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<v Speaker 3>these are people who have been doing organizing work and

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<v Speaker 3>gotv work for decades. People are so willing people poured

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<v Speaker 3>money into I don't know about this cycle because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know the numbers, But previous cycles, people poured money

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<v Speaker 3>into never trumpers, they poured money into the Lincoln projects.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have people like you didn't dance with the

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<v Speaker 3>ones who brung you, and I honestly just think we're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at a space. It wasn't just that Vice President

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<v Speaker 3>Harris lost. It was the way we were treated all

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<v Speaker 3>the way down, Like you talked about Angela as staff

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<v Speaker 3>or as people outside the campaign who were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>help this campaign. And I want to be really clear,

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<v Speaker 3>none of us are putting this at the feet of

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<v Speaker 3>Vice president here. Nope, we're putting it at the feet

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<v Speaker 3>of people who are in charge, who are constantly discrediting

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<v Speaker 3>the people who's very fucking backs this democracy depends on.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I wept for days after the election, that

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<v Speaker 3>is what I left about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the thing, like at some point that

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<v Speaker 2>those who get rewarded for losing elections cycle after cycle,

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<v Speaker 2>and they get named campaign managers or named campaign chairs,

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<v Speaker 2>that has to be we have to that is the

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<v Speaker 2>first place where accountability must be had. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have this conversation. I know that it's emotionally charged.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is challenging, it's hard. We've been screaming

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<v Speaker 2>this from the beginning of the podcast. Andrew's giving y'all

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<v Speaker 2>his own story. I know that he'll continue to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that he'll participate in this autopsy as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not just an autopsy of this cycle. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an autopsy of what's been wrong with the party for

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<v Speaker 2>years and it's time for it to change.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and black women, you do not want it to

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<v Speaker 3>be Black women versus the party. Black women are We

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<v Speaker 3>are the backbone. So see how you do without your base.

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<v Speaker 3>See how that goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Since we weren't now in black men because they black

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<v Speaker 2>men too.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm just saying black women, in terms of organizing,

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<v Speaker 3>we do outnumber black men. I love black I never

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<v Speaker 3>believed that Trump bs. I know brothers are right there

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<v Speaker 3>with us. I don't even believe that Trump gained ground

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<v Speaker 3>with black men. But the I would say one distinction

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<v Speaker 3>is when black women organize, Black women organize a community

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<v Speaker 3>of people that includes black men and black women. Black

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<v Speaker 3>women are constantly on the front lines as poll workers organizers.

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<v Speaker 3>You just disproportionate to any other group, including our brothers

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<v Speaker 3>are black men. But this is not meant to put

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<v Speaker 3>black men down or disparage black men. We need y'all,

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<v Speaker 3>We love y'all. Y'all are right there with us in

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<v Speaker 3>this fight. But I am just so frustrated and her

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<v Speaker 3>We're broken, heartbroken by the way we're treated. It is

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<v Speaker 3>so exhausting. It's so exhausting, and I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>you hold on the hope. But I'll tell you, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have an ounce of fucking energy to do

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<v Speaker 3>anything for this party, this country. All I want to

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<v Speaker 3>do is make sure my people are okay. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>I'm running out of the fight, to be honest. If

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<v Speaker 3>this is what y'all want to have at it, let

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<v Speaker 3>it burn. I want to make sure that my people

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<v Speaker 3>are okay. That's just where I am. Truly.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate this. I know that this probably means that

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have to do a part two on this as

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<v Speaker 2>we continue to figure out what happened in this election,

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<v Speaker 2>as we continue to wrestle with our own feelings and

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<v Speaker 2>the facts, and we'll always do that right here on

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<v Speaker 2>Native Lampid. So thank you all so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's wrong for how they feel. That's for damn sure.

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