1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: our mini pod. We tricked, y'all, We still here. I 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to touch base with y'all because we did 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: a whole show where we ended up in a rumble 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: around the Oval office and whose I asked, should have 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: a chair in there. But what we didn't talk about 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: is what happened in the elections. Well, but I think 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: that our perspectives matter here. A lot of the folks 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 2: that have something to say don't necessarily have the inroads 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: with the people we know within these campaigns. And I 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: think the other thing that has been talked about in 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: passing but not as much as the fact that it 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: wasn't just a Harris for President campaign loss. The Senate 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: is gone and so is the House, and so I 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: want to talk about what we all think happened. I'm 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: sure that this is another one of those conversations where 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: reasonable minds can disagree, and so I want to hear 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: what you think. Andrew. You are our resident candidate, democratic 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: strategist that has run a campaign and knows what it's 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: like to get close. I think you probably only know 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: what it's like to get close. You only have won, 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: and you've only gotten close. You've never had a blowout 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: like this. So what do you think went wrong? Or 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: what do you know went wrong? 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Angela? I can tell you one thing that I believe 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: went right, and that is Kamala Harris, with one hundred 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: days to transition from VP candidate to presidential candidate, which 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: is I can't even imagine the change that would have 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: had to happen, ran through the goddamn tape. I think 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: she was everywhere, talked to everybody. Are their tactical pieces 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: that needed to change? Are there? You know, things that 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: can always be done on the edges and the scene 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: in scenes of a campaign. Absolutely, But when you think greater, 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: bigger picture, Kamala Harris did what she could do as 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: a candidate. She could not, however, answer for endemic problems 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: and within the Democratic Party structure and quite frankly, the 39 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: diminished democratic turnout that we experienced in this election. Let 40 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: nobody forget that we had a voter drop off from 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, and the seven states 42 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: that were battleground states where Kamala competed on the air, 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: was very present, tried to make her case. She lost 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump by basically three points on average between 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: those those states or less that she did not compete, 46 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: meaning they were not they were not battleground states. She 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: lost by six points or greater. What's the point there? 48 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: And places where she where people got to hear her, 49 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: where people got to hear her defense and what she 50 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: stood for. She closed the gap between Donald Trump and 51 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Republicans by three points of industrialized nations where and I 52 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: know people were like, well, we don't live in industrialized 53 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: that we live in the United States. Will listen to 54 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: this just globally. Globally, the incumbent parties, be they conservative 55 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: or liberal, and democracies all across the globe up until 56 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: getting to ours, the incumbent party and leadership were walloped 57 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: across the board. The United States, of all of those 58 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: developed nations who had democratic elections, had this small list 59 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: the the smallest defeat of any of the other countries. 60 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: I think that's important to understand. Because Kamala closed a 61 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: very significant gap, it should have been worse. And the 62 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: reason it should have been worse is I got to 63 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: retort back to James Carville, it's the economy stupid. And 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: I know we've been talking a bit about whether or 65 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: not there is some a duplicity, and people believe it 66 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: in that message. But when you can take black men's 67 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: support to low twenty percent and Latino men's support to 68 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: fifty percent plus a twenty five point shift in a cycle, 69 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: we can't just trump it up to what is a 70 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: significant issue here, which is that of race and gender, 71 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: including amongst these two groups that I just mentioned as 72 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: being real impediments to Kamala's ability to scale that additional hurdle. 73 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: I would say, while we did not win in a 74 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: number of plays, this is where we wanted to win. 75 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: At the top of the ticket. The most Democrats really 76 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: did mitigate a number of losses. Hakeem Jeffries will have experienced. 77 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: What potential gain of one or two seats, a loss 78 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: of one or two seats. The fact that they were 79 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: able to help steady when people held us accountable for 80 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: not being able to afford their groceries. That is, that 81 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: is not a mandate for the president or the Congress 82 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: to treat the opposing party and their beliefs and their 83 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: supporters any kind of way. I know everybody thinks you're 84 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: saying that went wrong. What I'm saying is is that 85 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: there was a lot that went right that we are 86 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: not accounting for, and the way this election in total 87 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: played out. 88 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: The other I want to know what those things are. 89 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Well, the things that went right to make that happen. 90 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: Are you saying that the loss wasn't that bad? So 91 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: that's when right? No? 92 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: No, no, no, yes, in part because it was supposed to 93 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: be much greater. I know we all had optimism that 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: it was the devil versus the angels sitting on the shoulder. 95 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: She's not an angel. But I'm just making the comparison, 96 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: which means he was canceled, could not be considered well. 97 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: For a lot of voters. They didn't experience him so 98 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: badly the first time. They ignored a lot of his nonsense, 99 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: which was consequential for a lot of communities, but they 100 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: ignored it, and what they recall was that their groceries 101 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: were accessible and affordable. You had people across the board 102 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: saying that they felt like they financially did better even 103 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: though the US survived. The US survived the inflation better 104 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: than any other industrialized country, we came out of it better. 105 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: We came out of COVID better. But people don't live 106 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: in other countries. They live in this one, and so 107 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: if their experience is bad, it's going to be reflected, y'all. 108 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of contributing factors to 109 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: the loss that Democrats experienced. But I always felt like 110 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: this race was out of going to be like this 111 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: neck and neck, or that it was actually going to 112 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: be a demonstrable win. I was hoping that demonstrable win 113 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: was going to be in favor of Kamala Harris. But 114 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: if you look across these battleground states, the blue wall collapsed, 115 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: not terribly significantly, but enough for us not to win 116 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: those electoral votes. And we got to get inside what 117 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: the hell working people in this country? I think? And 118 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: when I include working people, I'm not talking about white 119 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: world folks. That is not a syndonym for working people. 120 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Working people are black, brown, everything in between. Who felt 121 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: like this party was not doing their bidding even though 122 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: we're the only ones doing their bidding. The talking points 123 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: on the other side and the messaging from the other 124 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: side made them look like they were the Union Party 125 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: and not us. And we got to figure that shit out. 126 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: And the last point I'll make is when we were 127 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and I will never forget that young man 128 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: who stood up and talked about the hundreds of black 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: men that he encounters every single week in Atlanta through 130 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the nature of his work, and the fact that they 131 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: were saying that straight black men don't have a home 132 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. And you then consider the significant 133 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: loss of black men, younger, Black Latino men younger, and 134 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: white men younger who philosophically are not identifying ex conservative, 135 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: They're just looking for a home. 136 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: Well, they didn't Dane Brown with black men, Andrew, and 137 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: I want to be cautious about putting out doubttle. 138 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not saying that black men are responsible for 139 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Kamala losing white women, without a doubt, they're white and 140 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: white men, or without a doubt, the reason that she 141 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: did not win it was their collapse. But what I'm 142 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: not going to do is ignore that in some of 143 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: these battle round states, Donald Trump got ten points more 144 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: than he did in the last election with black men 145 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: and doubled twenty points with Latinos. And so what I'm 146 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: saying is is we can't try to explain an academician. 147 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: Through academic exercise, our way out of the fact that 148 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: we have an emerging problem amongst certain constituencies that the 149 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: young men who do not feel like they are seen heard, 150 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: played with, dealt with within the Democratic Party, and that 151 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: will be a significant problem, especially when you consider what 152 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: the future demographic, voting demographic. 153 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to happen. Because we're ten minutes 154 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: in that piece. I think we have to consider that 155 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: the voter turnout itself was smaller and that's why some 156 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: of those gains looked like they were larger. I'll be 157 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: quick what I think went right. I think that Vice 158 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: President Harris ran an amazing campaign that was pulled together 159 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: and executed in one hundred and seven days. This idea 160 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: that she didn't talk about the economy is bullshit. She 161 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 3: absolutely did. You know, she put together an incredible campaign 162 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: in one hundred and seven days, and I don't think 163 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: the idea that she didn't talk about the economy is 164 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: complete and utter bullshit. And it drives me crazy that 165 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: people say that constantly across the cable news spectrum, and 166 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: hosts who are supposed to be journalists don't correct it. 167 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: She did talk about the economy. I don't think there 168 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: is anything that she could have done differently that would 169 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: have changed the outcome of this election. What I think 170 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: went wrong, hence right for the Trump campaign, is that 171 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: a majority of people in this country were either in 172 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: support of or okay with, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic viewpoints of 173 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: this president. Even if the president was saying, I will 174 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: do this thing for you, I will pretend to put 175 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: put this policy for which he didn't put any policy 176 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: up front, but he was saying under me, you'll walk 177 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: down streets paved with gold and have you know, refrigerators 178 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: and milk and honey every day, And in the next 179 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: breath he was calling Nancy Pelosi a bitch, or he 180 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: was dancing incoherently across stage for forty five minutes, or 181 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: insulting Michelle Obama, insulting Vice President Harris. They were okay 182 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: with all those things. So that is what we have 183 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: to confront in this country, quite frankly, the fact that 184 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: a majority of people were either in support of or 185 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: indifferent to his hatefulness and his hateful rhetoric. 186 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: I a few things. One, I want to commend Kamala 187 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: Harris for a historic run and a very brave run. 188 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: I don't know anybody that could have pulled off what 189 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: she did in one hundred and seven days. So I 190 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: echo that Tiff. I also want to commend her on 191 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 2: molly wopping and mopping the floor with Donald Trump in 192 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: that debate. I also want to commend them on plugging 193 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: in influencers the best way they knew how in the camp. 194 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: I would argue that the influencers and the surrogates who 195 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: participated on the campaign trail were probably one of the 196 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: more organizing, organized pieces of the campaign. However, that's not sufficient, 197 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: and I think andrew to the argument that we had 198 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: with Tiff before on if the role of celebrities is 199 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: outsized with what actually matters when people go into the 200 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: voting booth is something that really should be questioned at 201 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: this point. A lot of money was spent on getting 202 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: those folks out to the trail, getting them on the stage, 203 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: ensuring their involvement, and I don't know that she saw 204 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: a real ROI there, and that's something that has to 205 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: be discussed. I have a tremendous bone to pick with 206 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: white men and with white women. These are the same 207 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: folks I talked about needing to be held accountable for 208 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: whatever they decide to do on election day, and I'm 209 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: not veering from that. I have a tremendous issue there 210 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: shout out to y'all because you showed up. The sad 211 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: part for y'all that showed up is you showed up 212 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: and voted against your interests. People have argued that you 213 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: did vote your interest What I'm saying to you is, 214 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to call you ignorant, but I 215 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: believe that you voted in the long run, against your 216 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: interests and you don't even know it. You thought your 217 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: interests were mass deportation. You thought your interests were getting 218 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: rid of DEI. You thought your interests were ensuring that 219 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: affirmative action no longer existed in institutions of higher learning 220 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: for your children. What you don't realize is the ways 221 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: in which these things are going to backfire and hit 222 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: you even even more. I gotta say that I think 223 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: the biggest winner in this campaign is once again, the 224 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: white consulting class. Regardless of what parties sit in, that 225 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: one has to be disrupted, it has to be destroyed. 226 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: We're talking about contracts in the hundreds of millions of 227 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: dollars I'm sure folks will say, well, you're not looking 228 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: at this right because this was a media buy and 229 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: so most of this went to TV. Well, what ROI 230 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: do we have to say that it was worth the 231 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: campaign spending over two hundred million dollars with one vendor 232 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: for TV adviys. The ROI is not there. This has 233 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: to be disrupted and the bottom line is there was 234 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: a whole other contract for digital adviys. What ROI do 235 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: we have that says this was a good use of resources. 236 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: Here's my point. There is nothing that y'all can do 237 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: to out smart good old fashioned canvassing, mail, door knocking, 238 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: text messages. You're not going to be able to goo 239 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: target enough in a digital space, to target enough on 240 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: a TV space to make up for the lack of 241 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: not being involved in knocking on doors. That was an 242 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: issue before Kamala Harris became the top of the ticket 243 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: and the nominee for this parties or this party's nominee 244 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: in this election. That was an issue that preceded Joe 245 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Biden being at the top of the ticket. This is 246 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: an age old battle that has to be fought and 247 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: has to be challenged. There are black staff who are 248 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: part of the organizing community, part of canvassing challenge, paid 249 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: canvassers challenge whether or not this was the right tactic. 250 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: Said they didn't have the resources. Jasmine, who was the 251 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: state director in Florida andrew I said you are a 252 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: tweet her Twitter threat earlier. She goes in about how 253 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: much they had to rely on outside resources because they 254 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: couldn't get any resources from the campaign because the campaign 255 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: had pretty much given up on Florida. The sad part is, y'all, 256 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: that is not a Florida unique story. It is the 257 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: story of every battle ground state director and that has 258 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: to be discussed. They spent so much time and effort 259 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: in ensuring that these large, rich white consultants would keep 260 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: their share, could even potentially get bonuses off of a law, 261 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: but wouldn't get these folks the dollars they needed to 262 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: get signs on the ground, to get folks on the 263 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: ground knocking on doors. You guys, we went and knocked 264 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: on doors. We can figure out how to use the 265 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: MGB van at right. We could not say if somebody 266 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: wasn't home or not. We know that firsthand. But there 267 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: are folks who did this every single day that can 268 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: talk about what went wrong here, y'all. Like I said 269 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: on the main episode, I was convinced this election had 270 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: to have been stolen in some really remarkable, challenging way 271 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: on data. It's not we ignored the people at the bottom, 272 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: if you were ever, of course, But as usual, what 273 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: we've learned as well is that nothing from the top 274 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: ever trickles down. There's not a trickle down economy, there's 275 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: not a trickle down campaign. You cannot expect that people 276 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: will be touched just because folks are getting paid at 277 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: the top. So there's a lot more to be said there, 278 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: but that's what I got to see. Say, the biggest 279 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: loser here is the DNC, because I think that thing's 280 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: gonna have to be disrupted and destroyed to really get 281 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: back to the heart of what it was supposed to 282 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: be for the beginning. 283 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: What the biggest loser is the American people. And I 284 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: just want to echo your point, Angela. We know people, 285 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 3: we know personally, people who were given crumbs out of 286 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: this huge pot of money. They were given crumbs, and 287 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: these are people who have been doing organizing work and 288 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: gotv work for decades. People are so willing people poured 289 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: money into I don't know about this cycle because I 290 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 3: don't know the numbers, But previous cycles, people poured money 291 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: into never trumpers, they poured money into the Lincoln projects. 292 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: But you have people like you didn't dance with the 293 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: ones who brung you, and I honestly just think we're 294 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: looking at a space. It wasn't just that Vice President 295 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: Harris lost. It was the way we were treated all 296 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: the way down, Like you talked about Angela as staff 297 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: or as people outside the campaign who were trying to 298 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 3: help this campaign. And I want to be really clear, 299 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: none of us are putting this at the feet of 300 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: Vice president here. Nope, we're putting it at the feet 301 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: of people who are in charge, who are constantly discrediting 302 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 3: the people who's very fucking backs this democracy depends on. 303 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: And when I wept for days after the election, that 304 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 3: is what I left about. 305 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing, like at some point that 306 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: those who get rewarded for losing elections cycle after cycle, 307 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: and they get named campaign managers or named campaign chairs, 308 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: that has to be we have to that is the 309 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: first place where accountability must be had. And so I 310 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: wanted to have this conversation. I know that it's emotionally charged. 311 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: I know this is challenging, it's hard. We've been screaming 312 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: this from the beginning of the podcast. Andrew's giving y'all 313 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: his own story. I know that he'll continue to do that. 314 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: I hope that he'll participate in this autopsy as well, 315 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: because it's not just an autopsy of this cycle. It's 316 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: an autopsy of what's been wrong with the party for 317 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: years and it's time for it to change. 318 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, and black women, you do not want it to 319 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: be Black women versus the party. Black women are We 320 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: are the backbone. So see how you do without your base. 321 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: See how that goes. 322 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: Since we weren't now in black men because they black 323 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: men too. 324 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: But I'm just saying black women, in terms of organizing, 325 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: we do outnumber black men. I love black I never 326 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: believed that Trump bs. I know brothers are right there 327 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: with us. I don't even believe that Trump gained ground 328 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: with black men. But the I would say one distinction 329 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: is when black women organize, Black women organize a community 330 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: of people that includes black men and black women. Black 331 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 3: women are constantly on the front lines as poll workers organizers. 332 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: You just disproportionate to any other group, including our brothers 333 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: are black men. But this is not meant to put 334 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: black men down or disparage black men. We need y'all, 335 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: We love y'all. Y'all are right there with us in 336 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: this fight. But I am just so frustrated and her 337 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: We're broken, heartbroken by the way we're treated. It is 338 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: so exhausting. It's so exhausting, and I don't know how 339 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: you hold on the hope. But I'll tell you, guys, 340 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: I don't have an ounce of fucking energy to do 341 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: anything for this party, this country. All I want to 342 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: do is make sure my people are okay. I don't 343 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm running out of the fight, to be honest. If 344 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 3: this is what y'all want to have at it, let 345 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 3: it burn. I want to make sure that my people 346 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 3: are okay. That's just where I am. Truly. 347 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: I hate this. I know that this probably means that 348 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: we'll have to do a part two on this as 349 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: we continue to figure out what happened in this election, 350 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: as we continue to wrestle with our own feelings and 351 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: the facts, and we'll always do that right here on 352 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: Native Lampid. So thank you all so much. 353 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: Nobody's wrong for how they feel. That's for damn sure. 354 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for tuning in. Welcome home, y'all. 355 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 356 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. 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