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Speaker 1: the Stazi. Now surveillance begins. And remember something about communists

426
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: then and now. Communists never ever, ever, ever, ever look

427
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: in the mirror and say to themselves, I messed that up.

428
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: I should not have done that. That was a bad policy.

429
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: We to change some things. Communists always believe there's an

430
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: external force at work keeping them back from their communist utopia.

431
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: When I say surveillance ramped up, I mean they sold

432
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: it to the people, and they sold it to each other.

433
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: As we are looking for these dirty Western spies who

434
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: are in here sowing discontent, trying to tell the people

435
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: they're unhappy, trying to mess up our economy. We have

436
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: to get these spies and these influencers out of our society.

437
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: So when I say surveillance ramps up, I want you

438
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: to understand what that means. There were listening stations all

439
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: across East Germany, listening stations right on their border with

440
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: West Germany. They weren't just surveilling their own people. They

441
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: were they were surveiling West Germans. Radio signals all intercepted.

442
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: You're talking on a car phone, intercepted your phone period,

443
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: wire tapped your letters. Well, that's a funny thing about it.

444
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: Your letters. The East Germans were simply magnificent at violating

445
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: the civil rights of their own citizens. They came up

446
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: with machines and ways to open every single letter, read

447
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: the letter, and then reseal the letter without you ever

448
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: knowing about it. How good were the Stazi at this?

449
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: How good were the Stazi at wire taps and surveillance

450
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and radio signals and opening letters. Well, let's pause for

451
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: a brief moment. You know Castro, perhaps you've heard of

452
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: Infidel Castro, communist dictator of Cuba. He was trying to

453
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: get his feet underneath him deal with this American problem,

454
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: really clinched down his communist control of his own country.

455
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: And Castro goes to the Soviets and says, hey, now,

456
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Castro was his own man. I don't want to act

457
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: like he was a Soviet puppet. At least before the

458
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Cuban missile crisis, he was his own man. But he

459
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: did say to the Soviets say, I mean I could

460
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: do some help getting set up with my communist government.

461
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: I needed my own scumbags here. You know what the

462
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: Soviets did. The Soviets went to the Stasi and said, hey,

463
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: you guys are actually, really, really really good at this.

464
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you mind sending some people down to Cuba and

465
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: helping Fidel out? That's how good the Stasi were. Imagine

466
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: being so good at violating your own citizens civil rights

467
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: that you are. You're you're begged by the Soviets to

468
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: go help someone else out. And they took spying so seriously. Historically,

469
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Communists are so good at spying. You see, they weren't

470
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: only worried about East Germany. They were very, very worried

471
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: about West Germany, and very conscious of the fact that

472
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: West Germany. West Germany's they're doing pretty well. They're doing

473
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: pretty well. They don't have empty shelves there. People are

474
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot happier, they have better stuff. I don't like that.

475
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: So they started putting their people their spies through personality training.

476
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean, straight out of the movie, straight out of

477
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: a spy novel. The East Germans were so intent on

478
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: being the best spies humanly possible. They would take somebody

479
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: and simply teach someone charm. They would teach somebody how

480
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: to charm someone, and then they would send these men

481
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: and women into West Germany. Obviously, speaking German not hard

482
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: to pass off in East German as a West German,

483
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: and these men would seduce women, the women would seduce men.

484
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: They would get these people into jobs. They get them

485
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: into secretarial positions, they get them into teaching positions, get

486
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: them into government positions, and their specialty as spies was

487
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: charmed because they'd been trained. Now, remember when I said

488
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: they were convinced there were Western spies everywhere. We like

489
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: to think when we think about the Cold War, that

490
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: we were doing just as well with the spying as

491
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: the Soviets were. We weren't. The truth is, they're digging

492
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: through the Stazi archives to this day. As a brief

493
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: side note, well, I don't want to I don't want

494
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: to give away the end. But when the Stazi finally collapsed,

495
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: they had been surveying their people for so long. They

496
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: just had treasure troves of info on all their citizens.

497
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: They were panicked about the people finding out just how

498
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: much the Sazi knew. Said. They tried to shred all

499
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: the documents. They burned a bunch of documents. They put

500
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of documents in bathtubs, trying to destroy the records.

501
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: To this day, there are about sixteen thousand trash bags

502
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: of shredded documents. They are still putting together. They've put

503
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: together about five hundred of them. So I'll be dead

504
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: and gone, your kids will be dead and gone, and

505
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: they'll still be trying to figure out everything the Stasi new.

506
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: But from what they've put together so far, what they've

507
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: found is there really weren't many Western spies in East Germany.

508
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Obviously there were some, but there weren't many Western spies.

509
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing about government agencies human beings, all

510
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: of us, I guess, but definitely state police. You need

511
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: to be doing something because you have to justify your

512
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: existence to your boss at all times. I've used this

513
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: example on my radio show before. Why do you think

514
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: there's a brand new version of the Reese's Peanut butter

515
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: cup at all times? And it always sucks compared to

516
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: the original one. They know it sucks, But you don't

517
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: get to be the guy in charge of products at

518
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: Reese's and walk into the Reese's board meeting and say,

519
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you boss, I didn't come up

520
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: with anything. But what do you mean you didn't come

521
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: up with anything? Yeah, what we have is good enough.

522
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: Why would I come up with anything? Anyway, I'm gonna

523
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: go play some golf and stuff, maybe some video games.

524
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: You guys have a good one. How long would you

525
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: be employed there? No, you have to come in with

526
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: a hot new idea. Governments work the same way. You

527
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: have to be doing something. So if you're the East

528
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: German Stazi and you're digging in trying to find these

529
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: Western spies, and that's what you've been tasked with, right,

530
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: find these spies, get these spies out of the country.

531
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: And you're digging in trying to find these spies. But

532
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: you can't find the spies. You better invent some spies.

533
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: So they started inventing some spies. They started deciding. Wow,

534
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: I mean no, we didn't find any actual spies. But

535
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Bob over there, we were phone tapping. Bob's phone. You

536
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: know what he just told his friend. He just told

537
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: his friend he's mad that the grocery store doesn't have

538
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: any food. I bet you he is a Western spy

539
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: trying to influence the people here against our government. And yes,

540
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: it went like that. If you told a friend a

541
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: complaint about the government, a complaint about just any kind

542
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: of unhappiness with the nation, and there was so much

543
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: unhappiness as you can imagine, you could easily find yourself

544
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: in a dark cell somewhere, and many, many, many did.

545
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: And it actually gets worse than this. If you told

546
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: your wife a complaint, your husband a complaint, your son,

547
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: your daughter, your mother, your father a complaint, you could

548
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: still find yourself in a dark cell somewhere. And no,

549
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't just mean complaining to your wife over a

550
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: phone call they tapped, or over a letter they mysteriously

551
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: opened and then closed again. I mean everybody wanted to

552
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: inform on everyone else to the Stasi. Husbands reporting their

553
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: own wives, wives reporting their husbands, children reporting their parents

554
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: was the most common thing in the world. Now. The

555
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: staggering part of this is once they began ramping up,

556
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: and once they began the surveillance, state radio and letters

557
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: and everything else, they got hooked on that drug. They

558
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: wanted to know everything all the time. I'm going to

559
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: give you a number and then I'll put it into

560
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: some kind of context to make it real for you.

561
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: Right now, at its height, do you know how many

562
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: people were part of the Stazi in East Germany? Ninety thousand,

563
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: ninety thousand employees. That's how many people were part of

564
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: the Stazi in East Germany. Now, I know what you're saying. Okay,

565
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what that means. Helped me understand something.

566
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: Let me help you understand. There were sixteen million people

567
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: in East Germany. Look, the numbers were fluctuating back and

568
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: forth rapidly, so there were wildly different amounts of people.

569
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: But let's say, you know what, let's call it ten million,

570
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: something like that. Ninety thousand people for ten to fifteen

571
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: to sixteen million. Do you have any idea you're in

572
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: a country if you're an American. I know I have

573
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: many people who aren't Americans, But if you're an American,

574
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: you have about three hundred and thirty million people in

575
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: your country. Do you know how many FBI agents you

576
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: have in your country? Thirty five thousand, ninety thousand Stazi

577
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: agents for a country of fifteen million versus thirty five thousand,

578
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand FBI agents. Wrap your mind around that.

579
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: It is, by a mile, the largest ratio of surveillance

580
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: state in the history of mankind, dwarfing things like even

581
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: the KGB, the worst communist countries you can imagine, didn't

582
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: come close to the numbers of the Stazi. Oh wait,

583
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 1: it gets worse. I told you there were ninety thousand employees.

584
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: That's ninety thousand people draw on a paycheck with a

585
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: little Stazi signal on it. You know how many informants

586
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: there were? Well, you don't know, because I don't know,

587
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: because no one knows because they're still trying to tear

588
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: apart the documents. But right now we have estimates four

589
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: to five hundred thousand people were informants to the Stazi.

590
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: Who was informing on you? If you're unhappy, well everybody,

591
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: That's how you had to think absolutely everybody. Now, what

592
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: did they do? What was their actual role? Everything? Absolutely everything.

593
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: When I say everything, I mean that they were in

594
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: charge of every part of the country, finding Western spies.

595
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: They were in charge of going abroad, They were in

596
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: charge of overseeing every part of the country. Oh you're

597
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: a local baker, Hey you get those cupcakes that looks

598
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: like foreign flower. It was that serious. They ran every

599
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: single part of the country, were involved in every single

600
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: part of the country. And they would do such extreme

601
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: things like maybe they lock you up, maybe they don't,

602
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: but if they did lock you up, they would save

603
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: your dirty underwear. Why because they would have dogs smell it.

604
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: You see. They would save your dirty underwear, and then

605
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: if they thought you got out of line or found

606
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: a pamphlet, maybe an anti government pamphlet somewhere, they would

607
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: let the dogs smell the pamphlet, and then they would

608
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: take the dog to the dirty underwear samples to see

609
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: which one was a match for the dog. You must

610
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: be the one who wrote the pamphlet. Guess who's getting

611
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: shot in the head. Sounds pretty dark, right, And like

612
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: all communist countries, the black markets blew up, absolutely exploded,

613
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: because you can't find anything. There's nothing on the shelves,

614
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: and human beings will find a way to acquire the

615
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: things they want. So the stas he began digging into

616
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: that black market. Television's black market everything, and there's tons

617
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: especially in the beginning, there's tons of violence and murder.

618
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: But the Stasi began to be aware of how they

619
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: were looking because now, remember we're in the age of

620
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: the television, we're in the age of the telephone, we're

621
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: in the age of the photograph and the radio. It's

622
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: hard to be that tyrannical without word getting out. They

623
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: start being more and more careful. They start making sure

624
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: they're arresting people at night. They start doing things like

625
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: disappearing people and not telling people what happened to them.

626
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: And even then, at some point, and after so many

627
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: years of this, they realize they're gonna have to lighten up.

628
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: So what do they do. They begin a process called disintegration. Yeah,

629
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: they don't like you, they don't like that you're speaking

630
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: out against the government. They might still arrest you, torture you,

631
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: kill you, but they realize, in we gotta be careful

632
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: with that short of thing anymore. What if we don't

633
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: have to arrest him, bust his teeth out, shoot him

634
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: in the back of the head. What if we can

635
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: just ruin his life. They mastered ruining people's lives. They

636
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Speaker 1: would do insane things like stuff adult magazines into people's mailboxes.

637
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: Your wife goes out to get the mail. Oh my gosh.

638
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: They would deflate your bike tires and I know what

639
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: you think, Gosh, that's so stupid. No. No, every day,

640
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: every single night you would go to sleep, and every

641
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: morning you would wake up and have to reinflate your

642
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: bike tires or buy new ones. They would harass people

643
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: time and time and time and time again. And when

644
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: they did arrest you, they'd throw you in the back

645
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: of bakery vans and blindfold you and drive you around

646
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: for hours before they took you to a dungeon. So

647
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: you don't have any idea. You're still in the same

648
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: city where you got told, where you got arrested, and

649
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: when they would arrest you, they wouldn't tell you why.

650
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: Confusion is a powerful, powerful method of control. Why am

651
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: I here? What did I do? I didn't do anything?

652
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: Let me out? And they would keep you in solitary

653
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: confinement for a long time. And then when you're desperate

654
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: for human connection, you're desperate to hear anything from anybody,

655
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: they would give you a cell mate. Ah, what a godsend, right,

656
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: a cell may, thank goodness, someone to talk to, except

657
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: the cell mate had also been recruited by the Stazi. Hey, mister,

658
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: would you like out of here. We'll let you out

659
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: of here. Shoot, We'll get you a steaked in or

660
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: maybe a candy bar. Maybe slide you a little cash

661
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: by the old lady, some nice shoes. When you get

662
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: out of here, all you have to do is go

663
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: to this person's cell and get me some dirt on

664
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: this person. They would make your life miserable, so eventually

665
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: it would force you to confess. Commies were all about

666
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: getting you to confess your sins so they would appear

667
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: justified to the world. The Stasi ran everything. The prison

668
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: guards reported on other prison guards. That's the thing about this,

669
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the Stazi. They spied on the Stazi. You couldn't trust anyone,

670
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: And think how dangerous it is that you have the

671
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: ability anyone. You have the ability to destroy someone you

672
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: don't like by simply whispering the words to someone. Could

673
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: you be trusted with that kind of power? I don't

674
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: know that I could. What do I mean by that?

675
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: What if your neighbor, what if he has allowed dog,

676
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: he won't put that stinking dog in the house at night, midnight,

677
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: every night dog is barking, waking you up, and you've

678
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: asked him repeatedly, put the dog inside, quiet the dog down.

679
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: I can't sleep, My babies are waking up with it.

680
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: And he won't. He won't put that dog in the house.

681
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: What if you had the power to go knock on

682
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: Stazi headquarters and say, hey, my neighbor, he said East

683
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: Germany sucks, and he said he's unhappy here. I think

684
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: I think he might be starting a revolution all of

685
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, No more neighbor. That's how dangerous and rought

686
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: it out and disgusting these communist societies are. How bad

687
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: was it? Well, there was a huge protest, a bunch

688
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: of German students in West Germany were protesting no standard

689
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: college kid garbage. And eventually, at this protest, one of

690
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: the students gets shot in the head. This sparks off

691
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: violent unrest throughout Western Germany. We didn't find out till

692
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: years later the one who sparked all those violent protests

693
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: was an East German spy who did it on purpose. Now,

694
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: as I wrapped this up about the Stasi, I want

695
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: you to remember something. Always always remember something when we

696
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: talk about communists, and we're going to talk about lots

697
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: of communists here on the history with Jesse Kelly. Every

698
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: single person in the Stazi, every single member of the

699
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Communist Party in East Germany, they all thought they were

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00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: the good guys, that's all