Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shanda land Audio
Speaker 1: in partnership with Iheartradios, Y Katie, we have to have
Speaker 1: a Scandal reunion, like what the hell COVID really screwed it?
Speaker 1: But like whether it's George's house or Shanda was saying
Speaker 1: she is a Vermont play, I honestly think we should
Speaker 1: go to Vermont and all like make jam and like, oh,
Speaker 1: I agree, would that be? We have to I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I hope Vermont. That's such a
Speaker 1: oh my god, that would be. Yeah. Shanda like has
Speaker 1: said like she's a house there. But I also think
Speaker 1: I could email my person and be like, can a
Speaker 1: freak in hotels? Right? Host us in Cabo, Like, but
Speaker 1: the whole cast, the Scandal cast to come. We'll do
Speaker 1: a photo shoot whatever you want. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be in a bathing suit, but I will be in
Speaker 1: a cover up. Yes, hell yeah. I think what you'll
Speaker 1: all hear as we continue these episodes is like it
Speaker 1: really was such a special group. Yeah, like we really
Speaker 1: like we were really like a family, like and it
Speaker 1: stayed that way. Years have passed and we're still super
Speaker 1: close and we all love each other and yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's rare. We are so pumped for today's episode because
Speaker 1: the biggest fucking deal is here today. Did you U
Speaker 1: still love the episodes he would direct us on, oh
Speaker 1: all the time? Yeah. And you know we always talk
Speaker 1: about like how great it is having a director that's
Speaker 1: also an actor because they know how to talk to us,
Speaker 1: they know our sort of you know, when we when
Speaker 1: we're feeling extra vulnerable or like insecure. He's just so
Speaker 1: so loving, so so great working with him. He's so
Speaker 1: great that almost sometimes he's too good because I've had
Speaker 1: so many Have I told you this before. I've had
Speaker 1: a couple actor friends, No, actually more than a couple
Speaker 1: audition for various projects as he's directed in the last
Speaker 1: ten years since I've become his friend, and they always
Speaker 1: text me the same like I got it, Katie through
Speaker 1: so amazing, I got it, And I always want to
Speaker 1: be like, you did it. That's just Tony, Like he's
Speaker 1: he's so sweet, and he always takes the most time
Speaker 1: and care in the room with the actors like that,
Speaker 1: you end up spending like forty five minutes in there
Speaker 1: and you think like, holy shit, I got this part,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, that's just Tony oh man, all right,
Speaker 1: we're done with the logistics because our one, our only,
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald Grant the third is here. Yay, We're so forget man.
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you, Tony. Thank you for
Speaker 1: making the time. We love you. The scandal Rewatch podcast
Speaker 1: has just sneakingly become me and Garmo's way of like
Speaker 1: hanging out with all of our friends. Yeah, I know, man,
Speaker 1: Before we talked about the trail, Tony, can you tell
Speaker 1: us how in the hell you got this part? Man?
Speaker 1: It was just luck. It was luck. I swear it
Speaker 1: was the weirdest thing I had. I had met Sean
Speaker 1: Dune Betsy because I directed one of the first grays
Speaker 1: anatomies and it was like one of the first television
Speaker 1: shows I had directed, and so I got to know them,
Speaker 1: like what it was before Grays had aired. I think
Speaker 1: it was the third, second or third episode of the show.
Speaker 1: It was a third, but it shot second or something
Speaker 1: like that, or the second and it shot third, but
Speaker 1: they had made the pilot, which was unbelievably good. And
Speaker 1: then so I think like Betsy had liked my first
Speaker 1: film or something and said would you want to do this?
Speaker 1: And I saw the pilot, I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: this is like super commercial but also really original and
Speaker 1: amazing actors one of my period. Yeah, so I met
Speaker 1: them and then met Shandu. I thought was brilliant and
Speaker 1: unusual as you guys know, and like just such an in.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this woman's gonna be successful, like
Speaker 1: you just knew she knew what she was doing. And
Speaker 1: then so I did. I think I did a couple
Speaker 1: of episodes of Grades Anatomies as a director, never acted,
Speaker 1: and then she asked me a year or two later
Speaker 1: to do a private practice for them, and then we like,
Speaker 1: didn't you know, I don't think we saw each other
Speaker 1: for years, and out of the blue I got a
Speaker 1: call saying Shanda is doing this show with Kerry Washington
Speaker 1: and once did you want to play the President? And
Speaker 1: I had and I had been dying to work with
Speaker 1: Carrie because I knew her a little bit, like through
Speaker 1: politics stuff. And then but I every time I would
Speaker 1: see Kerry Washington in a movie, I'd be likes that
Speaker 1: amazing actress in that part, like who the hell is that?
Speaker 1: She looks familiar? And at the end, I go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's Kerrie Washington. Every time I saw her,
Speaker 1: she was totally different. So I'd been kind of looking
Speaker 1: to work. So I heard Shanda carry. I literally didn't
Speaker 1: read the script. I was like, I this sounds like
Speaker 1: something I really want to do, and then I read
Speaker 1: it and thought, oh man. But it was cool because
Speaker 1: Shanda I called her up or she said, let's talking
Speaker 1: and she said, look, I don't know how big or
Speaker 1: small this thing is going to be, or I mean
Speaker 1: the role. She said, you can be in it a
Speaker 1: little bit if you want, You give me in it
Speaker 1: a lot if you want. I don't really know where
Speaker 1: it's going. You know. There was the intimation of romance
Speaker 1: at the end of the pilot in the script, but
Speaker 1: you know, when they kiss in the oval office. But
Speaker 1: I thought, well that could get interesting. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure because it would inhibit me from directing films, you know,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not sure I want to
Speaker 1: do it. I was so stupid, you know, Is that
Speaker 1: what you wanted to really like do at that time? Tony?
Speaker 1: Did you want to keep directing? Were you digging that
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep directed? But can I be totally honest,
Speaker 1: I had just directed my film Conviction. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was one of those things you know in Hollywood when
Speaker 1: you have those moments, anyone's like this is the one
Speaker 1: that's going to be huge, and it's like whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was like the movie didn't open and
Speaker 1: didn't do business. So I was like, oh, okay, that
Speaker 1: movie was so hard to get made, and I thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't know if I like I
Speaker 1: want to keep directing. But that was that took. It
Speaker 1: took you like seven years or something to get it off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight years to get that movie off to go. I
Speaker 1: kept coming to life and falling and parting him in life,
Speaker 1: and it was by the time we made it, it it
Speaker 1: was it was you know, I loved it, but it
Speaker 1: was it was exhausting. So then I thought I should
Speaker 1: be smart to think about like doing a series because
Speaker 1: television is transformed, and like I should just be not
Speaker 1: an idiot anyway. So then literally right after that was
Speaker 1: when I got this out of the blue call from
Speaker 1: from Shawanda, and then we talked and she was so
Speaker 1: chill about it. She was like, what if you want
Speaker 1: to do seven, you can seventy. So I said, of course,
Speaker 1: and and um, I was sort of thinking about it.
Speaker 1: My manager Jason was like, you're doing this those things,
Speaker 1: I don't care what. Stop thinking about any your say
Speaker 1: you say yes because this could be a huge hit.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, okay, okay. Did you have any
Speaker 1: hang ups about like being a president, Like had you
Speaker 1: always wanted to play a president or were you like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Like I mean the presidents. I think
Speaker 1: of Pullman, Martin Sheen, I think of like you know
Speaker 1: you're in that. You know now you could if this
Speaker 1: show was a hit, which it is or where is it?
Speaker 1: Like it was like, whatever, great, I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about that. I thought it'd be cool, Like I thought,
Speaker 1: what an interesting character. Yeah, and I saw this really
Speaker 1: potentially interesting relationship with Olivia. I thought, if that goes somewhere,
Speaker 1: that could be really interesting. But honestly, you never know
Speaker 1: what the hell anything's going to be. And the thing
Speaker 1: for me was that first day of rehearsal when I
Speaker 1: met you guys. Oh it just clicked right, I said,
Speaker 1: oh shit, do you remember that? Like, wait, take us
Speaker 1: through it, because this is another question, like memories from
Speaker 1: the pilot, what do you mean like rehearsal when we
Speaker 1: were in that stage and it was like taped off.
Speaker 1: It was one of those rare things I've experienced so
Speaker 1: infrequently in my life and in my career. We all
Speaker 1: just connected. Man. It was I felt like I was
Speaker 1: with my best friends from high school all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like you and then Darby was just cast that day.
Speaker 1: I remember showing up and being like, Hi, I'm DeBie.
Speaker 1: I just got this part, you know, and hearing your
Speaker 1: story Katie about how you auditioned and you know, and
Speaker 1: amazing story about it. You got it, and you know
Speaker 1: Jeff who I knew it a little bit, but it
Speaker 1: had been admired for so long and Kate and Kate
Speaker 1: Burton was later right, Gee and I have this long
Speaker 1: history of but but there was that day of all
Speaker 1: of us connect. I don't know, I just remember it
Speaker 1: being this rehearsal period. We had like a week of
Speaker 1: rehearsal at at what I'm called Prospects Studios, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I that was one of those
Speaker 1: things where I thought, oh man, it was that's incredible
Speaker 1: chemistry we all had. It was so fun, don't you. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was like it was like theater camp.
Speaker 1: Like it was just felt like really everybody connected and
Speaker 1: fell in love and really trusted each other and was
Speaker 1: so into the script and the stories and the greater
Speaker 1: good of the show. Like it just felt like we
Speaker 1: were part of something bigger than ourselves. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: feels like they took such a chance, right, It felt
Speaker 1: like it's like a crapshoot, like putting this cast together.
Speaker 1: And of course Linda Lowey is brilliant and she made
Speaker 1: it happen. But even my audition, I auditioned once and
Speaker 1: then I booked her. I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: just auditioned once, if even auditioning at all. But just
Speaker 1: the fact that it worked, right, that it worked like
Speaker 1: that could have gone downhill really quickly. Nobody could have chemistry,
Speaker 1: or we could have you know, not liked each other,
Speaker 1: but it just it clicked. It worked. It was like
Speaker 1: like you said, it was like magic, so crazy. So
Speaker 1: you never chemistry read with Carrier or anything like how
Speaker 1: did you know? Wow? Like did you know that the
Speaker 1: relationship was going to be fire? Like because I'm convinced
Speaker 1: the show. Look, the show was amazing, but like the
Speaker 1: thing that hooked people and when I realized the show
Speaker 1: was a hit was when you became in your fifties,
Speaker 1: which I want to ask you about a full on
Speaker 1: fucking sex symbol. So thank god you listen to your manager.
Speaker 1: But when I first walked into our you know, Scandal
Speaker 1: was a real slow burn. It wasn't like an overnight success.
Speaker 1: We really had a short first order, you know. And
Speaker 1: I remember walking into some press event in the middle
Speaker 1: of second season next to you, Tony, and girls literally
Speaker 1: screaming at you like you were a beatle or something.
Speaker 1: And you never chemistry read you never auditioned, So we
Speaker 1: never knew that the fitz Olivia thing would be what
Speaker 1: it was. No, and Shanda, I don't think she knew
Speaker 1: that she wanted it to be necessarily the only thing
Speaker 1: I like, I said, I had really admired Carry so
Speaker 1: much and wanted to work with her and the thing
Speaker 1: I felt with Ry, which I frankly thought with all
Speaker 1: of you guys, but I really felt it with her,
Speaker 1: and our relationship was primary. We just connected as actors
Speaker 1: like Kerrie and I never had to talk about anything.
Speaker 1: It was weird, man. We never like Jeff and I
Speaker 1: connected in a different way like Jeff and I was
Speaker 1: like every day, especially in the first season, we would spend,
Speaker 1: we kind of latched onto each other and would talk
Speaker 1: about lactor stuff, you know, like our back Well, what
Speaker 1: do you think that, you know, we give each other
Speaker 1: books about politics, and that we just were doing nerdy
Speaker 1: actor talk. Oh my god, yours, I'm obsessed with this.
Speaker 1: We had that kind of a relationship with hilarious. But
Speaker 1: Kerrie and I, like with scenes, we would never even
Speaker 1: discuss them. We just had the same perspective on everything.
Speaker 1: So we come up and we do it. Yep, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Wow that we just had the same orientation towards stuff
Speaker 1: and the same kind of way of working or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I remember feeling, oh, this is
Speaker 1: just easy, this is just works, this this creatively we
Speaker 1: so that we literally I don't think we ever discussed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was almost like, let's not look too close at
Speaker 1: this because it's working. Like, let's not even like try
Speaker 1: to examine or take the specialness out of it. Let's
Speaker 1: just just because it was so trippy for us too,
Speaker 1: because we were in our opa world so we didn't
Speaker 1: you know, our characters didn't encounter you guys that much.
Speaker 1: And we would talk so much shit and good stuff too,
Speaker 1: about the White House, the White House must be so boring, right,
Speaker 1: we're so much we have so much fun here at
Speaker 1: it was way more boring. But then there were the
Speaker 1: moments when you would come and direct us, which was
Speaker 1: so much fun. And I mean it was like like
Speaker 1: wrangling cats. I bet right, like we were just when
Speaker 1: first it was like becoming a kindergarten teacher. We were
Speaker 1: not getting trouble. You would yell, but like you were
Speaker 1: like and you weren't the only one like you fully Verica.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, come on, kids, stop it. You guys
Speaker 1: have attention, stop it stop never stopped talking. So I
Speaker 1: would just go action. Yeah, I told you that's that's
Speaker 1: the way to do it. Yeah. And Katie's brilliant at that.
Speaker 1: She would be talking about the story and then she'd
Speaker 1: go right into playing Quinn. I don't think that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: I think that's just like I don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of stakes as an actor, which I can't do, Like literally,
Speaker 1: if I do that, I'm gonna be like a mess
Speaker 1: on the play. I can't I have the I I
Speaker 1: can't have that facility. I know. How did all of
Speaker 1: the memorization scandal, pace, all of that come to you?
Speaker 1: Was that easy for you being word perfect? Like, did
Speaker 1: you that wasn't too hard? I enjoyed it because it's
Speaker 1: very much like working in the theater, isn't it. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the other amazing thing about Shanda I felt on
Speaker 1: that experience. She was so clear from day one what
Speaker 1: was important to her. There was like those are the
Speaker 1: ground rules? Great? Like she said, I remember that talk
Speaker 1: she gave us. She said, I will, I will take
Speaker 1: any input you have to give me. But I what
Speaker 1: did she say? It didn't end up sticking, but she
Speaker 1: said I needed twenty hours after the table read give
Speaker 1: me a note. I do not want something on set,
Speaker 1: and what I write is music to me, so I
Speaker 1: need you to say the words exactly as I write them.
Speaker 1: And then it was the whole thing about speaking fast,
Speaker 1: which she kept on us about it. But so I
Speaker 1: thought that was like a really interesting technical challenge, and
Speaker 1: it was like and so I was down with it.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that technical challenge. You know, we're so
Speaker 1: many other sets that you work on as a film
Speaker 1: or television actor, and that's great too. People are ad
Speaker 1: libbing all the time and paraphrasing, and you know that
Speaker 1: that has its place with certain kinds of writing. But
Speaker 1: we've talked about Tony how how we've gone on to
Speaker 1: other projects and they have to literally be like you
Speaker 1: you have to slow down. Can you slow down a bit?
Speaker 1: Because now I'm just like, but like every single time
Speaker 1: it makes the scene better, I think even better and
Speaker 1: stuff beyond scanned. I'm like, y'all got to pick up
Speaker 1: the pace. Like it's so they're just sitting there not
Speaker 1: remembering their lines. That's why you're waiting. They're sitting there
Speaker 1: making a dramatic choice, but really is because they don't
Speaker 1: know what they're saying next. Yeah, I know That's how
Speaker 1: I feel better. I love that you and Jeff are
Speaker 1: over there all studying politics and Shita were like winds
Speaker 1: were like making dance routines. Literally the crew. Some crew
Speaker 1: people are like, get is starting to get pissed off
Speaker 1: at us, Like I remember sometimes he'd be like because
Speaker 1: we get into like the giggle like you know thing
Speaker 1: too where we couldn't stop laughing and they're all like,
Speaker 1: we've been working for fifteen hours together. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I directed Josh Millne because I'm such
Speaker 1: a like acting nerds and Josh this whole thing for
Speaker 1: those who don't know. First of all, Joshua is brilliant.
Speaker 1: He's just a brilliant human being. So he has this
Speaker 1: incredible facility for everything he does. He has total disdain
Speaker 1: for craft of acting, or at least you know, potentially so,
Speaker 1: so I think he really loves it. But but he
Speaker 1: Josh would be like, um, he never would look at
Speaker 1: his lines until he was in the makeup chiller that
Speaker 1: morning and you look at it once and he'd have
Speaker 1: it all down. And it's just the way his brain worked,
Speaker 1: and every actor works differently. But so in I think
Speaker 1: that first episode I directed, whatever one it was, it
Speaker 1: was in the heat of the relationship between Josh and
Speaker 1: up yeah, between David and Abbey, right, so, and it
Speaker 1: was a very fraught relationship. And I remember giving Josh
Speaker 1: a note once about something about his emotional like need Abby.
Speaker 1: I said, Josh, I really think, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you try it again, that's great, but try it again,
Speaker 1: and I really want to feel that, you know, some
Speaker 1: some psychological thing about you know, his feelings for Abby.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, whatever, but completely disrespected me. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'll just just mean, just do it faster. Oh, my god.
Speaker 1: Oh he totally blew me off and I and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well, and of course he was great,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Josh is so funny. We will be back
Speaker 1: with more after the break. We have to talk about
Speaker 1: where you came from, which is like, obviously you have
Speaker 1: a very long, beautiful, amazing career in so many mediums film, TV,
Speaker 1: tons of theater. Also, by the way, I love that
Speaker 1: it scandal our vice president president. We used to talk
Speaker 1: about this. Did you guys talk about this that our
Speaker 1: vice president president were like Hollywood royalty, like just between
Speaker 1: Tony Goldwyn of Metro Goldwyn Mayor and then Kate Burton
Speaker 1: of Richard Burton. I was like the royals all up
Speaker 1: in our show. But I wanted to know did it
Speaker 1: feel crazy to you to like be I remember looking
Speaker 1: at some magazine and you were like in a bathtub,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, like this person
Speaker 1: like this is crazy, Like had you already written off?
Speaker 1: Like oh, like I was a movie star. I did
Speaker 1: ghost like in my three days, like or was this
Speaker 1: a shock scanned me? I was a shock And I
Speaker 1: was also glad I was kind of a bit older
Speaker 1: because I had a great sense of humor about it,
Speaker 1: and I could just really enjoy it. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: had my first success with Ghosts and I was like
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old or whatever, it was amazing and fun.
Speaker 1: I was so grateful because I'd already been working for
Speaker 1: five or six years and you know, struggling and all that.
Speaker 1: I was very grateful, but I was super stressed out
Speaker 1: by it because I didn't understand what that like. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when you have success in our job,
Speaker 1: you go from being completely ignored by everybody and then
Speaker 1: everyone's kissing your ass and shining right on you and
Speaker 1: telling you you're a genius. And it felt fraudulent to
Speaker 1: me when I was young, so I didn't quite know
Speaker 1: how to handle it, and it was kind of stressful,
Speaker 1: whereas with Scandal, I was fifty and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I was like, it was also a lesson, and you
Speaker 1: can't plan shit in your life. You could have goals
Speaker 1: and you can try for things, but it's just to
Speaker 1: have a give yourself a bit of a direction that
Speaker 1: hopefully follows something you are passionate about or want to do.
Speaker 1: You can't plan shit, So I could not have planned
Speaker 1: for that all the years I wasted thinking Okay, it's
Speaker 1: gonna go this way. Yeah, so that whole time I
Speaker 1: was just like, just enjoy this ride. Man. It was
Speaker 1: um So, the whole thing of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: sex symbol factor of fits was it was. It was,
Speaker 1: It was fun, it was amusing. And I mean, didn't
Speaker 1: girls like ask you to sign their bodies? I feel
Speaker 1: like women were asking you to sign their bodies. People
Speaker 1: did some intense ship tell us. Yeah, oh I well.
Speaker 1: The two that come to mind was when I was
Speaker 1: directing the pilot for The Divide up in Toronto, um
Speaker 1: we uh or maybe the series, I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: we were I was in the look a Break from
Speaker 1: Scandal and I would get stopped on the street as
Speaker 1: we all were, by people wanting a selfie. And this
Speaker 1: girl I told her the story, This girl takes a
Speaker 1: selfie and she's giving a selfie. She tries to make
Speaker 1: out with me and I avert my mouth and she
Speaker 1: licks my neck. She licked my neck full on, like
Speaker 1: licked like like you like you licked um, like you
Speaker 1: like Katie's neck? Yeah, like right and yeah, someone like
Speaker 1: we both lick and then she licked me in another episode. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like that. I was like, whoa. And then
Speaker 1: she got herself and she walked away, so I was
Speaker 1: like okay. And then the other intense thing is I'm
Speaker 1: not so long ago. A few years ago, after scandal ended,
Speaker 1: I was doing Network on Broadway and a woman had
Speaker 1: been waiting outside the theater to get my autograph and
Speaker 1: Brian Cranston comes. I guess I hadn't gone out. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was like I don't know. I was hanging out
Speaker 1: in the theater and Brian said, did you see the
Speaker 1: woman with the tattoo when you when? And I was like,
Speaker 1: he said, Tony, there's a woman who wants to meet you,
Speaker 1: who has a tattoo of you on her arm. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, like what? And I ended up I ended
Speaker 1: up going by, I mean, maybe going out later, and
Speaker 1: she wasn't there. And then the next day it was
Speaker 1: a Sunday, I think, the matinee and I came out
Speaker 1: of here and she was still there and a guy
Speaker 1: comes up and says, hey, could my sister meet you?
Speaker 1: You know, she's a big fan of yours. I said,
Speaker 1: of course. And because people that don't go to broder as,
Speaker 1: you guys both know, like people who wants weight the
Speaker 1: actress come out, Yeah, and he and this sweet young
Speaker 1: woman who must have been twenty five years old comes
Speaker 1: up to me and she's like, you know, I really
Speaker 1: admire your work and I'm such a huge scandal fan
Speaker 1: and I whatever you're I don't know if she was like,
Speaker 1: and I want to be a filmmaker and you're whatever.
Speaker 1: Not for profit work you do just means so much
Speaker 1: to me. And so I got a tattoo of my
Speaker 1: face on her arm? What is it fit? Its picture?
Speaker 1: Is it just you in a T shirt? It's just
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like me. It was like
Speaker 1: my so like a headshot, but it was like, I guess,
Speaker 1: but it was me. It was it was so I said, oh,
Speaker 1: and I she asked me to sign her arm, and UM,
Speaker 1: you did, did you? I said? Of course? But what
Speaker 1: I meant I was like, whoa, that was pretty intense commitment.
Speaker 1: I mean, God bless her about whoa. There's that double
Speaker 1: standard at Shanda Land, which is like, I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about that, the double standard at Shanda Land
Speaker 1: for you all listening, you know, early on, it's it's
Speaker 1: very known that I think Shanna came up to me
Speaker 1: and was like oh, I wrote you a sex scene.
Speaker 1: If you want me to rewrite it for you to
Speaker 1: be in a turtleneck, I will, And I said amazing,
Speaker 1: And then she was like, but also here it's a
Speaker 1: double standard and the guys have to take off their
Speaker 1: shirts a lot. So did you know that going in? No,
Speaker 1: But it was I was okay with it, you know, um,
Speaker 1: I mean again, I just sent to Humor about it
Speaker 1: and Shando again, she was pretty straight up about it,
Speaker 1: like she didn't play games. She said, this is important
Speaker 1: to me and I obviously if I had said I
Speaker 1: refused to do something, she or I'm comfortable, she would
Speaker 1: have respected that. And it was it's not like full
Speaker 1: on nudity. It's taking our shirts off. So it was,
Speaker 1: you know, like Scott and I had our like every
Speaker 1: every table, he'd be like, okay, dude, you're up this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just like trade off which guy was
Speaker 1: gonna thinking shirt off? It was pretty funny. I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: thank god, I just play Huck, who you know rarely
Speaker 1: takes a shirt off. But you guys had like that
Speaker 1: pressure of being like, oh my god. And then the
Speaker 1: next episode I have a sex scene. I gotta take
Speaker 1: my shirt off. I remember you always eating salads with
Speaker 1: two no like tender green. Remember that was like I was, honestly,
Speaker 1: Scott was more like intense about that Scott eating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Scott worried, you know, worried more about it.
Speaker 1: I just, um, I don't know. Look at my my
Speaker 1: attitude towards you're genetically blessed. Let's put that out there.
Speaker 1: Thank you Tony Goldwin's as from above for giving Tony
Speaker 1: Goldwin a six pack that cannot be taken down by
Speaker 1: a meal or of one. Right, so I would have
Speaker 1: my meal recastaurant. But but also it was it stressed
Speaker 1: me out too much to stress about it, so I
Speaker 1: I just stayed in a like a baseline level of fitness,
Speaker 1: which made me feel better and able to work long
Speaker 1: hours anyway. So I was like, all right, this is
Speaker 1: what this job is. So it was so I didn't
Speaker 1: even get too spartan about it, because I think Scott
Speaker 1: would like literally starve himself. Oh yeah, like not even
Speaker 1: that would suck me up, because his genetic ancestors blessed
Speaker 1: him in some ways too, just not with the Tony
Speaker 1: Goldwin stomach, which like that is just like how you're built.
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like Scott Fowey is a pretty
Speaker 1: good looking fellow. I don't know. Oh, he's the best.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely gorgeous. I love you both to piece it.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about, like, um, the beginning
Speaker 1: of your career when you started, do you remember what
Speaker 1: the first I think I know what it is and
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about it. But do you remember what
Speaker 1: your first movie was? Your first movie? Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know why you're excited about it. Yea, yeah, Briday the Thirteenth,
Speaker 1: Part six, Yes, Jason Lives My first movie, part Jason Lives. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I got killed in the first like five minutes
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. I think I was the second. I
Speaker 1: was the second person in the movie murdered by Jason. Fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you played Darren Robinson, and I like that's some bad
Speaker 1: acting if you watch. Gillermo recorded it and texted it
Speaker 1: to me yesterday, the clip which I will now fall
Speaker 1: word to you and we will post when this episode
Speaker 1: because of me standing there with a gun going back
Speaker 1: off scum back. Yeah, and then Jason stabs me in
Speaker 1: the heart with a pole. He impales you with like
Speaker 1: a fucking huge ass pole that he just also like
Speaker 1: stabbed the wheel so that your car couldn't and broke
Speaker 1: the headlights. Exactly. You're adorable, But what a dream you
Speaker 1: were in a Friday at thirteen movie. Like that's a
Speaker 1: huge for horror fan, man. I mean I was. I
Speaker 1: was so excited to have a job that. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I think I maybe got paid a thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: a week and I thought it was anit of fortune.
Speaker 1: You know, I was just so happy to have it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the trail that is this episode's rewatch,
Speaker 1: which is I feel like, change the course of scandal
Speaker 1: actually because it was the first episode that really spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time and then flashback and we became
Speaker 1: a show that used that as a vehicle a lot.
Speaker 1: It aired on May tenth in twenty well, and it
Speaker 1: was written by Jenna Bands right. It was directed by
Speaker 1: Tom Verica. And let me take you quick through the
Speaker 1: guest stars of the episode. We have Brendan Hines as
Speaker 1: Giddy and Wallace Bellamy Young as First Lady Melly Grit.
Speaker 1: Holy crap, Bellamy Young was still a fucking wasn't even
Speaker 1: regular year your pipe and smoke. Matt Lesher as Billy
Speaker 1: Chambers Kate Burton as Vice President Sally Lankston and Josh
Speaker 1: Malina as assistant US and Josh Melina was against o
Speaker 1: God was assistant US attorney David Rosen. And then we
Speaker 1: have Dan Bucatinsky as James Novak. Brenda Song is Alyssa
Speaker 1: the legal secretary, John Burke is Paul Moseley, and Samantha
Speaker 1: Sloyan as Sassy Stafford, the sassy staffer who ends up
Speaker 1: in a future episode. She ends up having me the
Speaker 1: storyline thing, Yeah that's right, yeah, gee me or you
Speaker 1: hit this synopsis. You hit it last time, you hit
Speaker 1: it so good last time. I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like I should hit it this time, but could do
Speaker 1: it also after me if you okay? So the synopsis
Speaker 1: is after Fitz shows up at Olivia's apartment and asking
Speaker 1: her to listen to the sex tape. The episode flashes
Speaker 1: back to show Fits his campaign tre to the White
Speaker 1: House and the blossomy relationship between Olivia and Fits. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Gideon Wallace investigates Amanda Tana's past and David looks into
Speaker 1: Amanda's death. And what a great episode that was. That
Speaker 1: was definitely one of my favorite all times and Verica's
Speaker 1: first episode. Yeah, yeah, it's it's for one of the
Speaker 1: first times that Carry's wig changed from And this was
Speaker 1: our first like whole episode where the big storyline is
Speaker 1: a whole flashback. It's the whole how you know Fitz
Speaker 1: became president, how Fits and Olivia started their love relationship,
Speaker 1: their physical relationship, And it's Tom Verica's introduction to Shawn
Speaker 1: de Land and he was listening became our producing director,
Speaker 1: and now he's the producing director for Bridgeton and the
Speaker 1: upcoming Queen Charlotte, and he's shondaland Staple and family. So
Speaker 1: he obviously did a great job on So Good, And
Speaker 1: of course he ends up directing like a million episodes
Speaker 1: of Scandal throughout the seasons. Yeah, as did Tony. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the big highlights of this episode that I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about is this is like, this
Speaker 1: is the episode where you say just one minute, like
Speaker 1: you're on the campaign and you're like just you just
Speaker 1: pull her out of a room and you're like standing
Speaker 1: and all You're just like, we just need one minute together.
Speaker 1: And then this is also the episode that has my favorite,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Scandal scenes of all time when
Speaker 1: you and Olivia are on the bus and you. Fitz says,
Speaker 1: what kind of coward was I? Yeah, that I didn't
Speaker 1: wait for you? Yeah, I think that's my favorite Scandal
Speaker 1: scene that I did. Tell us, why how did you prepare?
Speaker 1: Tell us about that scene? Which just so was so
Speaker 1: beautifully written? You know, Yeah, that was great. Now that
Speaker 1: that episode was so Tom Barker did such a brilliant
Speaker 1: job directing that. It's the first time she calls you
Speaker 1: fits too, like you she keeps yeah, yeah wow, and
Speaker 1: you like just call me and the one minute thing
Speaker 1: and that theme that developed a musical theme that became
Speaker 1: Olivian Fits theme. It was beautiful. And it's also the
Speaker 1: episode where you guys have your first real like yeah,
Speaker 1: sh in the hotel room and no hotel, that crazy
Speaker 1: hotels sex scene with the micro thing under the bed,
Speaker 1: the bug under the bed. Yeah, there's a bug unto
Speaker 1: the bed. And now we've we're starting to put all
Speaker 1: together that the the sex sounds that everyone's being sort
Speaker 1: of relate. It's so funny that I'm remembering that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the first sex scene that Carry and I had.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to really take it was a
Speaker 1: ten PM show. It's like, she's in a bra, she's
Speaker 1: in a white bra. She's like it's like you pick
Speaker 1: her up and she's around your body. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is fucking on. It was pretty hot. Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for for not being fully nude, we might as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and carry and I were so It's so funny because
Speaker 1: we were so like it was the first time that
Speaker 1: we had done the sex scene together, and so we
Speaker 1: was so like careful with each other, and you know,
Speaker 1: six months we're like, yeah, whatever we've done as a
Speaker 1: thousand times. Yeah. There's also that memorable line where you
Speaker 1: say take off your clothes, which just hits so hard.
Speaker 1: It was so sexy because there's like a there's like
Speaker 1: a moment before you say that line. Were you just
Speaker 1: staring at her and then you say take off your clothes. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so good, it's so good. Were you nervous that day?
Speaker 1: Were you, like, I mean, I know, you've done tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of sex scenes in your life, so it's
Speaker 1: us and those things. I was sort of nervous because
Speaker 1: it was Carries in life. I was nervous not for
Speaker 1: Carrie but for our relationship, Like I want as actors,
Speaker 1: you know, you're like trying to be you know what
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm respect Yeah, you're just trying to be
Speaker 1: um developed trust with another person because it's so intimate
Speaker 1: doing sex scenes with people. For those of you listening,
Speaker 1: Tony Goldwin has a real knack. And I had heard
Speaker 1: this because I don't know if y'all remember this, but
Speaker 1: in the season episode one hundred, which this podcast hopefully
Speaker 1: will get there, Quinn has a sex scene with fits.
Speaker 1: It's just a quick makeout and then up to your
Speaker 1: knees for a quick ass blowjob. But listen, I had
Speaker 1: heard in the grape vine, and all you actors listening
Speaker 1: this is tell me if this is just a rumor
Speaker 1: and not true. The rumor was that Tony Goldwin is
Speaker 1: such a great sex scene partner because if there's something
Speaker 1: that you're insecure about with your body, he'll like block
Speaker 1: it with his arm or cover it up. Is this
Speaker 1: made up? You're looking at me like this is made up?
Speaker 1: Maybe I did that once. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where heard it. It might have
Speaker 1: been Bellamy, but I had heard that, like, oh god,
Speaker 1: it's so relieving when you're with someone who's like respectful
Speaker 1: but also like like, oh, you're like maybe Bill me,
Speaker 1: it's I I am. This is clearly a memory that
Speaker 1: I have made up for you. You're welcome, Tony Goldwyn. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's true. You know you gotta be you gotta be
Speaker 1: so protective over your partner. I'm enacting with people. You
Speaker 1: got to developed trust. Trust is like the most important
Speaker 1: thing anyway. But when two people have their clothes off
Speaker 1: or or you know, it's just so weird. So that
Speaker 1: kind of and I remember that with you know, I
Speaker 1: think when when bellamine out of sixteen, I may be wrong,
Speaker 1: you'd have to ask her, but I think it was
Speaker 1: her first time ever being basically naked on camera and
Speaker 1: doing it and we have this scene, sex scene in
Speaker 1: the shower together and she was it was so challenging,
Speaker 1: you know, it was so she felt so vulnerable, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, so I remember feeling like I really got
Speaker 1: to take care of her, because yeah, because I have
Speaker 1: done a lot and I've directed a lot of sex
Speaker 1: scenes and it's such a weird thing that we do,
Speaker 1: but all, you know what, they're important because in real
Speaker 1: life sex is such an important yea life and relationships
Speaker 1: and people are so weird and proved about it in
Speaker 1: terms of our culture and everything that, if done right,
Speaker 1: it's such a it can be such an interests, such
Speaker 1: an interesting dramatic situation, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I always find it really challenging. Yes, And it's also
Speaker 1: the part that I enjoy the most about shows like
Speaker 1: It's Why, like that, The Will They Won't They? They
Speaker 1: which you and Carrie mastered over years of like I
Speaker 1: think you know, they kept keeping you apart, getting you together,
Speaker 1: keeping you apart, sending her down the road with other people,
Speaker 1: sending you down the road with other people, and then
Speaker 1: bringing you back together. I mean, the sex lives of
Speaker 1: Fitz and Olivia were a huge herpeat of our show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll be right back, guys. Do you remember
Speaker 1: anything about like the trail? Yeah? I remember a lot
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, we've got homeless Hawk makes his first.
Speaker 1: Is this your homeless Huks first? Yeah? This time? Can
Speaker 1: you tell us about Huck? That's oh right, we also Huck. Right.
Speaker 1: The hardest thing about playing Homeless Huck was that I
Speaker 1: knew I couldn't eat all freaking day because of that
Speaker 1: damn beard, Because you can't, you know, all the hair
Speaker 1: gets in your mouth. Or that was just the biggest
Speaker 1: struggle to being like, you know, they'd come around with
Speaker 1: trays of these delicious looking sandwiches and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I can't fucking eat that chick, and I'm homeless. Hard
Speaker 1: that was the hardest part. Quinn has her Quinn has
Speaker 1: her grilled cheese sex scene with Gideon in this episode,
Speaker 1: and I remember being very nervous as well and getting
Speaker 1: like seven thousand sprays. Yes, I remember like too, it
Speaker 1: was your first That was your first sex scene, wasn't it,
Speaker 1: you know? And the show? Wasn't it your first one
Speaker 1: in the show? Yes, my first sex I had done show,
Speaker 1: But I remember you being super stressed out about that.
Speaker 1: I was really stressed because I probably hadn't done a
Speaker 1: sex scene where like people this many people would watch
Speaker 1: it like I done tons before, and like indies and
Speaker 1: plays where no one gave her rat's ass. But like
Speaker 1: I felt stressed. I got a thousand spray tans a
Speaker 1: thousand because someone told me if you can't and it
Speaker 1: would cover up like butt ZiT and like all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then who was more nervous than me was Gideon Wallace, right,
Speaker 1: who is now married. Do you know who Gideon Wallace
Speaker 1: is now married to Tony Goldwin. Are you ready to
Speaker 1: fucking fall off your chair? Yeah, he's married to Tatiana Maslani.
Speaker 1: No way, they got married during COVID. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm saying this for your fans because I
Speaker 1: saw Tony Goldwin in Network on Broadway and his character
Speaker 1: is paired up with Tatiana. So you've worked with Tatiana
Speaker 1: closely and had sex scenes with her as well. Oh, Network,
Speaker 1: She and I were the She and Brian Cranston. She Yeah,
Speaker 1: she played the Fay Dunaway part um Gideon. Yeah, Brandon
Speaker 1: is the sweetest guy. Yeah. Oh, Tatiana is the best.
Speaker 1: She's awesome. She's such a great person and brilliant actress.
Speaker 1: But he was really nervous that day, I remember, and
Speaker 1: then I felt so barrassed because we had the sex scene.
Speaker 1: And Tom Verica was like, Okay, it really seems like
Speaker 1: Katie Quinn is like mauling Brendan very easily. And Tom
Speaker 1: said something like, if this was like a point system,
Speaker 1: we kind of wanted to be like one one, you know,
Speaker 1: two too. You don't want it to be like Katie's
Speaker 1: doing it all and Brennan's just sort of and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just like I'm I'm an aggressor,
Speaker 1: like like that's just how I do it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just well, I'm just a controlling person. Like I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this, like let's go. Like I have
Speaker 1: a lot of energy. Obviously you all know that for
Speaker 1: better or for worse. Um, and i'd sort of overtaken him.
Speaker 1: He was very nervous, I remember that. But we got
Speaker 1: it done and then literally the next episode he dies
Speaker 1: with a scissor in the next so yes, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what this in this episode too, It's one of
Speaker 1: the first times that I remember thinking, oh shit, like
Speaker 1: this show is going there. Like the fact that Billy
Speaker 1: Chambers stabs him in the neck. Can you know you
Speaker 1: see a huge spurt of blood come out. It was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is an intense like show. It's it's
Speaker 1: really going for it and going there, which I loved.
Speaker 1: It's dark. This is also the episode where Mellie says
Speaker 1: we see the beginnings of her being the political animal
Speaker 1: that she is, because she comes in and does a
Speaker 1: speech saying that she'd like she basically fakes a miscarriage.
Speaker 1: She says like, oh, it's because I lost a baby,
Speaker 1: and we start to be like whoa. This woman is
Speaker 1: like yeah, a beast, like she will do anything, yes
Speaker 1: for the office. Yeah that's right. Yes, these were my notes.
Speaker 1: What kind of coward was I to marry her and
Speaker 1: not wait for you? Fave line ever she calls him
Speaker 1: fits they hold hands, ladies and gentlemen. It is on
Speaker 1: take off your clothes, he says. Tony Goldwyn's body is insane,
Speaker 1: carries in a little bra ask grabbing, straddling. Whoa ten
Speaker 1: PM show people, billy me? These are my notes when
Speaker 1: I love it. But what's so sweet and how this
Speaker 1: episode sort of wraps up is that then they cut
Speaker 1: to you both in present day and you do the
Speaker 1: one minute again, but we see how broken and far
Speaker 1: like you're just holding her on the couch, right, gee?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Because I bring her the tape to
Speaker 1: look at to listen to the sex tape that it's
Speaker 1: her or not a man that ten or whatever. This
Speaker 1: was huge for TV, I thought too, because it was
Speaker 1: the first time that you say, let's do the you know,
Speaker 1: one minute, but on screen on camera on television, we
Speaker 1: actually wait that full minute in silence of them to
Speaker 1: just holding each other, him holding Olivia. It was so
Speaker 1: so powerful. Yeah, Shanda said, it's going to be a
Speaker 1: full minute. Yeah it was. It was great. It was
Speaker 1: great in that in that yeah, right exactly. And remember
Speaker 1: in season one, didn't in season when we shoot in
Speaker 1: a real apartment, Yeah, when people could barely move in
Speaker 1: the hallways and we're over in this tiny apartment which
Speaker 1: eventually they built in a set on a stage, which
Speaker 1: was much easier. But um, yeah, yeah, did you take
Speaker 1: anything from said Tony? Did you did you take anything
Speaker 1: like a piece of clothing or like so much? First
Speaker 1: of all, I guess ABC's are so many clothes. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, yeah, thank you god. It was like we
Speaker 1: fudged the rules a little bit about all the wardrobe
Speaker 1: that we uh, whatever's heard for our body, it's either
Speaker 1: sneaking a basement to never be warned. He literally had
Speaker 1: my name all of my suits said on the inside
Speaker 1: because Brooks Brothers made made all my suit a lot
Speaker 1: of my suits, and they said especially Taylor made for
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald President Fitzgerald Grant the third Wow, like it's so guy,
Speaker 1: still have a bunch of those suits are really good?
Speaker 1: But they like it, isn't that a cool thing? So
Speaker 1: what were they going to like give them to some
Speaker 1: other actor to wear? Uh so clothes? What else do
Speaker 1: I have? You take anything from the oval office, like
Speaker 1: a piece from your desk or anything that was on it. No,
Speaker 1: we all talked about that. There was nothing. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was nothing. I really there was like a battleship, but
Speaker 1: I thought I'd be stupid, so I don't think I did.
Speaker 1: I don't tell Tony what you got. And we got
Speaker 1: so much swag. That's the best. So when when the
Speaker 1: series ended, I uh I always admired the window panels,
Speaker 1: the flawed, cracked window panels in Opa. Yah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I I hit up Mary Howard, who's one of our producers,
Speaker 1: and asked her if I could have one of those windows,
Speaker 1: one of those panels, and they freaking sent it to
Speaker 1: my house. It's it weighs like a ton, but it's
Speaker 1: the most beautiful piece and it's hanging in my in
Speaker 1: my in my house at the entrance, and it's just
Speaker 1: like one one pane with the framing or one yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like poster size, like a movie poster size. But
Speaker 1: it's great, gorgeous, Yeah, I love that you. That's such
Speaker 1: a cool And then I also as an opportunity man
Speaker 1: because I didn't do that either. I also took Huck's
Speaker 1: leather jacket. I'm wearing it right now. Oh that tucks.
Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome. Yeah. Do you have any scandal memories
Speaker 1: that jump out at you? Also, you're going to have
Speaker 1: to come back on like, if we are doing this
Speaker 1: for a hundred and whatever episodes, we're going to be
Speaker 1: bothering you again. Oh hell yeah, anytime, anytime. It's so fun.
Speaker 1: But what was like? I want to know. I want
Speaker 1: to know a couple of things. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about our WhatsApp scandal chain? We text each other constantly,
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday, Happy holidays. I miss you the best. Are
Speaker 1: there any major memories that stick out in your mind
Speaker 1: about maybe the beginning, the first season, the second season?
Speaker 1: So many things? God? Yeah, I mean that Thursday of
Speaker 1: Rehearsalarity told you about that was like a magical thing
Speaker 1: where you just feel the chemistry between people going to
Speaker 1: the end. When we were in DC, our last episode ever, yeah,
Speaker 1: the best. For no good reason, Seana said, we're shooting
Speaker 1: this episode in Washington. We just had a party and
Speaker 1: remember when Carrie rented a bus friends all the go
Speaker 1: uh look at all the monuments because her favorite thing
Speaker 1: to dear one of you know, of course carry the
Speaker 1: intellectual for one of her favorite things to do in
Speaker 1: DC was to go around all of the different, um,
Speaker 1: you know, her favorite monuments, and she took rented for
Speaker 1: those didn't know the story, she rented a bus for us,
Speaker 1: like a tour bus thing, and we all piled in
Speaker 1: at night and drove all around DC and like we're
Speaker 1: drinking partying whist pig, yeah, whistle. I bought Georgians nuwburn
Speaker 1: and I bought a bottle of whistle pig whiskey which
Speaker 1: we which we up really loved at the hotel bar,
Speaker 1: which cost me like four hundred. God there they're like,
Speaker 1: oh it's gonna Georgia. Oh my god, it's gonna cost them.
Speaker 1: Jo like, let's do it. So no one recognized us.
Speaker 1: We were all together, but it was dark so we
Speaker 1: could be with tourists. People didn't. It's so fun. It
Speaker 1: was perfect. It was raining out a little bit, so
Speaker 1: there were really weren't many tourists around and it was
Speaker 1: probably really time the Scandal cast could have ever done
Speaker 1: something like that and not being crazily mobbed. Mobbed isn't
Speaker 1: the whistle? We went the title of our of our
Speaker 1: WhatsApp Yeah, it's chain, aren't we called the wid That's right,
Speaker 1: that's what I already what I just call you guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Shanda arranged a private tour of the African
Speaker 1: American Museum just opened. So incredible, so lucky, lucky all
Speaker 1: those New York the New York Upfront trips and the
Speaker 1: White House corresponding trips and shooting in DC, and just
Speaker 1: like so many dinners, like we used to Oh, we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about that actually yet. We used to give
Speaker 1: a gift like every year, I think we would just
Speaker 1: take the writers that all the actors would take the
Speaker 1: writers out to dinner, right, yeah, and classic Perry style,
Speaker 1: every actor would sort of get up and like say
Speaker 1: like a rousing speech, as if we were in like
Speaker 1: some Irish like Limerick pub kind of thing, like we'd
Speaker 1: all get up like I want to say this, and
Speaker 1: I want to say that cheers, And yeah, it was
Speaker 1: quite unique. I've forgotten about that because you know, for
Speaker 1: people that aren't in our business, writers are sort of
Speaker 1: notoriously underappreciated. Yeah, and particularly staff writers, because in television,
Speaker 1: you of your showrunner who becomes the big you know,
Speaker 1: hefean Is generally gets all the acolytes and on a
Speaker 1: successful show, and Seana certainly deserves those. But the writers,
Speaker 1: you know, work their asses off, sometimes feeling not seen,
Speaker 1: and so I forget how it evolved. But they were
Speaker 1: just so grateful that we would have this party every
Speaker 1: year with them. Yeah, yeah, it was such magic, such magic.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, can you tell us really quickly because we
Speaker 1: didn't have you on for this episode? You really know
Speaker 1: how to chop wood like that? Right, that's right when
Speaker 1: you chop wood? I actually I actually do not know
Speaker 1: how to chop with Really, it's unbelievable. Didn't Sean to
Speaker 1: email you like, is there any sports or something you
Speaker 1: can do? Yeah? She was cruel to me. She said
Speaker 1: something like can you play What does she say? Can
Speaker 1: you play basketball? Or something? I know? She said, what
Speaker 1: sports can you do? I said, Shanna, I can chop wood.
Speaker 1: I was kidding so that you route in a wood
Speaker 1: chopping scene. And then she would say, well, what what
Speaker 1: sports do you play? I said, look, pretty much anything
Speaker 1: except basketball. I cannot play basketball, and then uh, this
Speaker 1: is another like somewhere in the middle of our of
Speaker 1: our whole thing, I said, I can't play, but I
Speaker 1: do not play basketball. So all the slow hold um
Speaker 1: Lynn Powlo are brilliant costumes that her texts me one day,
Speaker 1: do we need to schedule of fitting for you to
Speaker 1: come in and try in your basketball club? Like, oh no, god,
Speaker 1: She's like, what didn't Sean to tell you you have
Speaker 1: a basketball scene in the next episode with you Scott
Speaker 1: fully playing basketball. I was like, oh my god, it
Speaker 1: was like an amazing basketball player. We played a high
Speaker 1: school basketball and something. I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: So then I called Mary Howard and she said, oh, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: of course we never knew anything about what was happening
Speaker 1: in the next episode. It was we always found out
Speaker 1: at the last minute. So I made them get me
Speaker 1: a basketball coach. You know, for like ten days of
Speaker 1: cramming and I I had blisters on my god, we
Speaker 1: could I could play one on one with Scott, you know,
Speaker 1: we had a full on basketball team. Was ridiculous. Killed it.
Speaker 1: Oh wait And also some fun facts. Stephen Finch does
Speaker 1: not appear at all in this episode past present. He's
Speaker 1: not really at all. So that was Ian's left. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but what's crazy because he came into Olivia's life later, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And then Gideon was up all night working on the
Speaker 1: phone right outside the bathroom, oh, right outside the bedroom,
Speaker 1: and Quinn leaves to get coffee as Gideon calls Billy,
Speaker 1: which means Billy needed to drive to Gideon's house, have
Speaker 1: the conversation and stab him all before Quinn got coffee nearby. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know we always stretch shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we always would stretch shows like that exactly. All right, y'all,
Speaker 1: let's get into our favorite tweet time. Y'all. We like
Speaker 1: to wrap up our episodes with we read some tweets
Speaker 1: that were put out that night. Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: must have just found out. This is crazy. But at
Speaker 1: Kasia zero two, one zero and eleven twenty twelve road,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy, happy about Scale ABC being renewed for
Speaker 1: a second season. Doing happy dance right now? Who? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we must know, right, no idea ye season. Yeah. Rebecca
Speaker 1: Theodore of A, shown at film Fatalis It, retweeted a
Speaker 1: Dawn navette uh one time for the hotel scene. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen a love scene so hot with a black
Speaker 1: lead on primetime TV. Overdue, well done hashtag scandal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is huge. That ship was so funny. How the
Speaker 1: world has changed, right, Yeah, I mean now you wouldn't
Speaker 1: think twice about it, and it was only totally it
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Ten years ago exactly. I'm willing to bet.
Speaker 1: I know we were the first black female lead of
Speaker 1: a network drama in thirty seven years when we aired.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious if there had ever been sex scenes
Speaker 1: between a black woman and a white man on network
Speaker 1: drama primetime, Like, I don't know, and I wonder a
Speaker 1: certainly I would doubt, and if it was like a
Speaker 1: regular relationship as opposed to the thing I called one
Speaker 1: episode or something, Yeah, isn't that insane? And now, thank god,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's why Scandal is. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was so special for so many reasons, but it really
Speaker 1: was the beginning. Yeah, groundbreaking. Yeah, and thank god you
Speaker 1: and Carrie were so hot together because that was missing. Okay,
Speaker 1: screaming at Scandal right now throws my wonderful pistachios at
Speaker 1: the screen at the end of this damn episode from Rebecca,
Speaker 1: Theodore Vashone and then, oh, this is interesting. At Ramsey says,
Speaker 1: o MG, carry Washington has a small hand compared to
Speaker 1: mister fitz hashtag scandal, don't go there. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means. This other tweet, Queen of Sandy says,
Speaker 1: reported dude from Scandal was a fool. You can invite
Speaker 1: someone into your home alone and tell them you have
Speaker 1: career ending dirt on them. That's so true. That's a
Speaker 1: very very good point. Scissors in your neck, that's And
Speaker 1: then we have our first hashtag from at x y
Speaker 1: z z in other news, this episode of hashtag scandal
Speaker 1: is my favorite so far. Hashtag one minute. Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is oh Tony, you are the best. We love
Speaker 1: you and this was such a blast. And thank you
Speaker 1: for being our Fitzgerald Grant the third, forever and ever
Speaker 1: and ever. Yeah, thank you guys, Um Katie, How freaking
Speaker 1: amazing was it having Tony like I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: We I think we went over like a lot because
Speaker 1: we can't stop talking to him. So great. The dude
Speaker 1: is the greatest. He's just the most loving. Yeah, talented,
Speaker 1: like smart Yeah. And Friday the thirteen Part six, he's
Speaker 1: in Friday and his first job, his first movie, And
Speaker 1: isn't it so inspiring that he was someone who had
Speaker 1: to really hustle for it, especially in the beginning. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and then even still when he thought he was and
Speaker 1: is this big fancy Hollywood director took eight years to
Speaker 1: put together the movie of Conviction and then it ends
Speaker 1: up not doing what everyone promised him it would do,
Speaker 1: even though it's still an amazing movie. And then his
Speaker 1: entire career took a complete right turn back to being
Speaker 1: an actor. Yeah with Scandal. Yeah, man, thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you everyone for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed this
Speaker 1: episode as much as we enjoyed talking about it. Next week,
Speaker 1: if Tony Goldwin blew your mind, which he did mine
Speaker 1: and he's the best, we've got a show in store
Speaker 1: for you people. Next episode one oh seven is titled
Speaker 1: Grant for the People, and we've got a very special guest,
Speaker 1: maybe one of the most special guest. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: the last episode of the season of season one of Scandal,
Speaker 1: So tell your friends come listen. Thank you guys for
Speaker 1: joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show,
Speaker 1: please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or leave us
Speaker 1: a review. Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex AlCH,
Speaker 1: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and
Speaker 1: editor is Vinceda Johnny with music by Chad Fisher. Scandal
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