1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shanda land Audio 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: in partnership with Iheartradios, Y Katie, we have to have 3 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: a Scandal reunion, like what the hell COVID really screwed it? 4 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: But like whether it's George's house or Shanda was saying 5 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: she is a Vermont play, I honestly think we should 6 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: go to Vermont and all like make jam and like, oh, 7 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: I agree, would that be? We have to I know, 8 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I hope Vermont. That's such a 9 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, that would be. Yeah. Shanda like has 10 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: said like she's a house there. But I also think 11 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: I could email my person and be like, can a 12 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: freak in hotels? Right? Host us in Cabo, Like, but 13 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the whole cast, the Scandal cast to come. We'll do 14 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: a photo shoot whatever you want. I'm not going to 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: be in a bathing suit, but I will be in 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: a cover up. Yes, hell yeah. I think what you'll 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: all hear as we continue these episodes is like it 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: really was such a special group. Yeah, like we really 19 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: like we were really like a family, like and it 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: stayed that way. Years have passed and we're still super 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: close and we all love each other and yeah, and 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: that's rare. We are so pumped for today's episode because 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: the biggest fucking deal is here today. Did you U 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: still love the episodes he would direct us on, oh 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: all the time? Yeah. And you know we always talk 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: about like how great it is having a director that's 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: also an actor because they know how to talk to us, 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: they know our sort of you know, when we when 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: we're feeling extra vulnerable or like insecure. He's just so 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: so loving, so so great working with him. He's so 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: great that almost sometimes he's too good because I've had 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: so many Have I told you this before. I've had 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: a couple actor friends, No, actually more than a couple 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: audition for various projects as he's directed in the last 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: ten years since I've become his friend, and they always 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: text me the same like I got it, Katie through 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: so amazing, I got it, And I always want to 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: be like, you did it. That's just Tony, Like he's 39 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: he's so sweet, and he always takes the most time 40 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: and care in the room with the actors like that, 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: you end up spending like forty five minutes in there 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: and you think like, holy shit, I got this part, 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, that's just Tony oh man, all right, 44 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: we're done with the logistics because our one, our only, 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald Grant the third is here. Yay, We're so forget man. 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you, Tony. Thank you for 47 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: making the time. We love you. The scandal Rewatch podcast 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: has just sneakingly become me and Garmo's way of like 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: hanging out with all of our friends. Yeah, I know, man, 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: Before we talked about the trail, Tony, can you tell 51 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: us how in the hell you got this part? Man? 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: It was just luck. It was luck. I swear it 53 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: was the weirdest thing I had. I had met Sean 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: Dune Betsy because I directed one of the first grays 55 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: anatomies and it was like one of the first television 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: shows I had directed, and so I got to know them, 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: like what it was before Grays had aired. I think 58 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: it was the third, second or third episode of the show. 59 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: It was a third, but it shot second or something 60 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: like that, or the second and it shot third, but 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: they had made the pilot, which was unbelievably good. And 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: then so I think like Betsy had liked my first 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: film or something and said would you want to do this? 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: And I saw the pilot, I was like, oh shit, 65 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: this is like super commercial but also really original and 66 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: amazing actors one of my period. Yeah, so I met 67 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: them and then met Shandu. I thought was brilliant and 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: unusual as you guys know, and like just such an in. 69 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this woman's gonna be successful, like 70 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: you just knew she knew what she was doing. And 71 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: then so I did. I think I did a couple 72 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: of episodes of Grades Anatomies as a director, never acted, 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: and then she asked me a year or two later 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: to do a private practice for them, and then we like, 75 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't you know, I don't think we saw each other 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: for years, and out of the blue I got a 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: call saying Shanda is doing this show with Kerry Washington 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: and once did you want to play the President? And 79 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: I had and I had been dying to work with 80 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Carrie because I knew her a little bit, like through 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: politics stuff. And then but I every time I would 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: see Kerry Washington in a movie, I'd be likes that 83 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: amazing actress in that part, like who the hell is that? 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: She looks familiar? And at the end, I go, oh 85 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: my god, that's Kerrie Washington. Every time I saw her, 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: she was totally different. So I'd been kind of looking 87 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: to work. So I heard Shanda carry. I literally didn't 88 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: read the script. I was like, I this sounds like 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: something I really want to do, and then I read 90 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: it and thought, oh man. But it was cool because 91 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Shanda I called her up or she said, let's talking 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: and she said, look, I don't know how big or 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: small this thing is going to be, or I mean 94 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: the role. She said, you can be in it a 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: little bit if you want, You give me in it 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: a lot if you want. I don't really know where 97 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: it's going. You know. There was the intimation of romance 98 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the pilot in the script, but 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: you know, when they kiss in the oval office. But 100 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: I thought, well that could get interesting. But I wasn't 101 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: sure because it would inhibit me from directing films, you know, 102 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not sure I want to 103 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: do it. I was so stupid, you know, Is that 104 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: what you wanted to really like do at that time? Tony? 105 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: Did you want to keep directing? Were you digging that 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to keep directed? But can I be totally honest, 107 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: I had just directed my film Conviction. Yeah, and it 108 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: was one of those things you know in Hollywood when 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: you have those moments, anyone's like this is the one 110 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: that's going to be huge, and it's like whatever. Anyway, 111 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was like the movie didn't open and 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: didn't do business. So I was like, oh, okay, that 113 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: movie was so hard to get made, and I thought, 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't know if I like I 115 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: want to keep directing. But that was that took. It 116 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: took you like seven years or something to get it off. Yeah, 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: eight years to get that movie off to go. I 118 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: kept coming to life and falling and parting him in life, 119 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: and it was by the time we made it, it it 120 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: was it was you know, I loved it, but it 121 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: was it was exhausting. So then I thought I should 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: be smart to think about like doing a series because 123 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: television is transformed, and like I should just be not 124 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: an idiot anyway. So then literally right after that was 125 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: when I got this out of the blue call from 126 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: from Shawanda, and then we talked and she was so 127 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: chill about it. She was like, what if you want 128 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: to do seven, you can seventy. So I said, of course, 129 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: and and um, I was sort of thinking about it. 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: My manager Jason was like, you're doing this those things, 131 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't care what. Stop thinking about any your say 132 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: you say yes because this could be a huge hit. 133 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, okay, okay. Did you have any 134 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: hang ups about like being a president, Like had you 135 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: always wanted to play a president or were you like, wow, 136 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Like I mean the presidents. I think 137 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: of Pullman, Martin Sheen, I think of like you know 138 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: you're in that. You know now you could if this 139 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: show was a hit, which it is or where is it? 140 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: Like it was like, whatever, great, I didn't even think 141 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: about that. I thought it'd be cool, Like I thought, 142 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 1: what an interesting character. Yeah, and I saw this really 143 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: potentially interesting relationship with Olivia. I thought, if that goes somewhere, 144 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: that could be really interesting. But honestly, you never know 145 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: what the hell anything's going to be. And the thing 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: for me was that first day of rehearsal when I 147 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: met you guys. Oh it just clicked right, I said, 148 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: oh shit, do you remember that? Like, wait, take us 149 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: through it, because this is another question, like memories from 150 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: the pilot, what do you mean like rehearsal when we 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: were in that stage and it was like taped off. 152 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: It was one of those rare things I've experienced so 153 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: infrequently in my life and in my career. We all 154 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: just connected. Man. It was I felt like I was 155 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: with my best friends from high school all of a sudden, 156 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: like you and then Darby was just cast that day. 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: I remember showing up and being like, Hi, I'm DeBie. 158 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: I just got this part, you know, and hearing your 159 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: story Katie about how you auditioned and you know, and 160 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: amazing story about it. You got it, and you know 161 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Jeff who I knew it a little bit, but it 162 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: had been admired for so long and Kate and Kate 163 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: Burton was later right, Gee and I have this long 164 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: history of but but there was that day of all 165 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: of us connect. I don't know, I just remember it 166 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: being this rehearsal period. We had like a week of 167 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: rehearsal at at what I'm called Prospects Studios, and I 168 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: don't know, I just I that was one of those 169 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: things where I thought, oh man, it was that's incredible 170 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: chemistry we all had. It was so fun, don't you. Yeah? 171 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was like it was like theater camp. 172 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: Like it was just felt like really everybody connected and 173 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: fell in love and really trusted each other and was 174 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: so into the script and the stories and the greater 175 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: good of the show. Like it just felt like we 176 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: were part of something bigger than ourselves. Yeah, and it 177 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: feels like they took such a chance, right, It felt 178 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: like it's like a crapshoot, like putting this cast together. 179 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: And of course Linda Lowey is brilliant and she made 180 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: it happen. But even my audition, I auditioned once and 181 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: then I booked her. I think a lot of us 182 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: just auditioned once, if even auditioning at all. But just 183 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: the fact that it worked, right, that it worked like 184 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: that could have gone downhill really quickly. Nobody could have chemistry, 185 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: or we could have you know, not liked each other, 186 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: but it just it clicked. It worked. It was like 187 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: like you said, it was like magic, so crazy. So 188 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: you never chemistry read with Carrier or anything like how 189 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: did you know? Wow? Like did you know that the 190 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: relationship was going to be fire? Like because I'm convinced 191 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: the show. Look, the show was amazing, but like the 192 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: thing that hooked people and when I realized the show 193 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: was a hit was when you became in your fifties, 194 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: which I want to ask you about a full on 195 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: fucking sex symbol. So thank god you listen to your manager. 196 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: But when I first walked into our you know, Scandal 197 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: was a real slow burn. It wasn't like an overnight success. 198 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: We really had a short first order, you know. And 199 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: I remember walking into some press event in the middle 200 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: of second season next to you, Tony, and girls literally 201 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: screaming at you like you were a beatle or something. 202 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: And you never chemistry read you never auditioned, So we 203 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: never knew that the fitz Olivia thing would be what 204 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: it was. No, and Shanda, I don't think she knew 205 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: that she wanted it to be necessarily the only thing 206 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: I like, I said, I had really admired Carry so 207 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: much and wanted to work with her and the thing 208 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: I felt with Ry, which I frankly thought with all 209 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: of you guys, but I really felt it with her, 210 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: and our relationship was primary. We just connected as actors 211 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: like Kerrie and I never had to talk about anything. 212 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: It was weird, man. We never like Jeff and I 213 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: connected in a different way like Jeff and I was 214 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: like every day, especially in the first season, we would spend, 215 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: we kind of latched onto each other and would talk 216 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: about lactor stuff, you know, like our back Well, what 217 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: do you think that, you know, we give each other 218 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: books about politics, and that we just were doing nerdy 219 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: actor talk. Oh my god, yours, I'm obsessed with this. 220 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: We had that kind of a relationship with hilarious. But 221 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: Kerrie and I, like with scenes, we would never even 222 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: discuss them. We just had the same perspective on everything. 223 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: So we come up and we do it. Yep, pretty much. 224 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: Wow that we just had the same orientation towards stuff 225 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: and the same kind of way of working or something. 226 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. So I remember feeling, oh, this is 227 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: just easy, this is just works, this this creatively we 228 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: so that we literally I don't think we ever discussed. Yeah, 229 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: it was almost like, let's not look too close at 230 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: this because it's working. Like, let's not even like try 231 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: to examine or take the specialness out of it. Let's 232 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: just just because it was so trippy for us too, 233 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: because we were in our opa world so we didn't 234 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: you know, our characters didn't encounter you guys that much. 235 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: And we would talk so much shit and good stuff too, 236 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: about the White House, the White House must be so boring, right, 237 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: we're so much we have so much fun here at 238 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: it was way more boring. But then there were the 239 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: moments when you would come and direct us, which was 240 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: so much fun. And I mean it was like like 241 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: wrangling cats. I bet right, like we were just when 242 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: first it was like becoming a kindergarten teacher. We were 243 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: not getting trouble. You would yell, but like you were 244 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: like and you weren't the only one like you fully Verica. 245 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: They'd be like, come on, kids, stop it. You guys 246 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: have attention, stop it stop never stopped talking. So I 247 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: would just go action. Yeah, I told you that's that's 248 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: the way to do it. Yeah. And Katie's brilliant at that. 249 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: She would be talking about the story and then she'd 250 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: go right into playing Quinn. I don't think that's brilliant. 251 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: I think that's just like I don't have a lot 252 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: of stakes as an actor, which I can't do, Like literally, 253 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: if I do that, I'm gonna be like a mess 254 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: on the play. I can't I have the I I 255 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: can't have that facility. I know. How did all of 256 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: the memorization scandal, pace, all of that come to you? 257 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: Was that easy for you being word perfect? Like, did 258 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: you that wasn't too hard? I enjoyed it because it's 259 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: very much like working in the theater, isn't it. I mean, yeah, 260 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: here's the other amazing thing about Shanda I felt on 261 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: that experience. She was so clear from day one what 262 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: was important to her. There was like those are the 263 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: ground rules? Great? Like she said, I remember that talk 264 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: she gave us. She said, I will, I will take 265 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: any input you have to give me. But I what 266 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: did she say? It didn't end up sticking, but she 267 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: said I needed twenty hours after the table read give 268 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: me a note. I do not want something on set, 269 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: and what I write is music to me, so I 270 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 1: need you to say the words exactly as I write them. 271 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: And then it was the whole thing about speaking fast, 272 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: which she kept on us about it. But so I 273 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: thought that was like a really interesting technical challenge, and 274 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: it was like and so I was down with it. 275 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that technical challenge. You know, we're so 276 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: many other sets that you work on as a film 277 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: or television actor, and that's great too. People are ad 278 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: libbing all the time and paraphrasing, and you know that 279 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: that has its place with certain kinds of writing. But 280 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about Tony how how we've gone on to 281 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: other projects and they have to literally be like you 282 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: you have to slow down. Can you slow down a bit? 283 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: Because now I'm just like, but like every single time 284 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: it makes the scene better, I think even better and 285 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: stuff beyond scanned. I'm like, y'all got to pick up 286 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: the pace. Like it's so they're just sitting there not 287 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: remembering their lines. That's why you're waiting. They're sitting there 288 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: making a dramatic choice, but really is because they don't 289 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: know what they're saying next. Yeah, I know That's how 290 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: I feel better. I love that you and Jeff are 291 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: over there all studying politics and Shita were like winds 292 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: were like making dance routines. Literally the crew. Some crew 293 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: people are like, get is starting to get pissed off 294 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: at us, Like I remember sometimes he'd be like because 295 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: we get into like the giggle like you know thing 296 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: too where we couldn't stop laughing and they're all like, 297 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: we've been working for fifteen hours together. Yeah. I remember 298 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: the first time I directed Josh Millne because I'm such 299 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: a like acting nerds and Josh this whole thing for 300 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: those who don't know. First of all, Joshua is brilliant. 301 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: He's just a brilliant human being. So he has this 302 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: incredible facility for everything he does. He has total disdain 303 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: for craft of acting, or at least you know, potentially so, 304 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: so I think he really loves it. But but he 305 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Josh would be like, um, he never would look at 306 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: his lines until he was in the makeup chiller that 307 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: morning and you look at it once and he'd have 308 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: it all down. And it's just the way his brain worked, 309 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: and every actor works differently. But so in I think 310 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: that first episode I directed, whatever one it was, it 311 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: was in the heat of the relationship between Josh and 312 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: up yeah, between David and Abbey, right, so, and it 313 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: was a very fraught relationship. And I remember giving Josh 314 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: a note once about something about his emotional like need Abby. 315 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: I said, Josh, I really think, you know, like if 316 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: you try it again, that's great, but try it again, 317 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: and I really want to feel that, you know, some 318 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: some psychological thing about you know, his feelings for Abby. 319 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, whatever, but completely disrespected me. He's like, 320 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I'll just just mean, just do it faster. Oh, my god. 321 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Oh he totally blew me off and I and I 322 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: was like, okay, well, and of course he was great, 323 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, Josh is so funny. We will be back 324 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: with more after the break. We have to talk about 325 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: where you came from, which is like, obviously you have 326 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: a very long, beautiful, amazing career in so many mediums film, TV, 327 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: tons of theater. Also, by the way, I love that 328 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: it scandal our vice president president. We used to talk 329 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 1: about this. Did you guys talk about this that our 330 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: vice president president were like Hollywood royalty, like just between 331 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: Tony Goldwyn of Metro Goldwyn Mayor and then Kate Burton 332 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: of Richard Burton. I was like the royals all up 333 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: in our show. But I wanted to know did it 334 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: feel crazy to you to like be I remember looking 335 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: at some magazine and you were like in a bathtub, 336 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, like this person 337 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: like this is crazy, Like had you already written off? 338 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: Like oh, like I was a movie star. I did 339 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: ghost like in my three days, like or was this 340 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: a shock scanned me? I was a shock And I 341 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: was also glad I was kind of a bit older 342 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: because I had a great sense of humor about it, 343 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: and I could just really enjoy it. Yeah, when I 344 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: had my first success with Ghosts and I was like 345 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old or whatever, it was amazing and fun. 346 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: I was so grateful because I'd already been working for 347 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: five or six years and you know, struggling and all that. 348 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: I was very grateful, but I was super stressed out 349 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: by it because I didn't understand what that like. All 350 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, when you have success in our job, 351 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: you go from being completely ignored by everybody and then 352 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 1: everyone's kissing your ass and shining right on you and 353 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: telling you you're a genius. And it felt fraudulent to 354 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 1: me when I was young, so I didn't quite know 355 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: how to handle it, and it was kind of stressful, 356 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: whereas with Scandal, I was fifty and I couldn't believe it. 357 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: I was like, it was also a lesson, and you 358 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: can't plan shit in your life. You could have goals 359 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: and you can try for things, but it's just to 360 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: have a give yourself a bit of a direction that 361 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: hopefully follows something you are passionate about or want to do. 362 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: You can't plan shit, So I could not have planned 363 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: for that all the years I wasted thinking Okay, it's 364 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: gonna go this way. Yeah, so that whole time I 365 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: was just like, just enjoy this ride. Man. It was 366 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: um So, the whole thing of like, you know, the 367 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: sex symbol factor of fits was it was. It was, 368 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: It was fun, it was amusing. And I mean, didn't 369 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: girls like ask you to sign their bodies? I feel 370 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: like women were asking you to sign their bodies. People 371 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: did some intense ship tell us. Yeah, oh I well. 372 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: The two that come to mind was when I was 373 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: directing the pilot for The Divide up in Toronto, um 374 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: we uh or maybe the series, I can't remember, but 375 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: we were I was in the look a Break from 376 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Scandal and I would get stopped on the street as 377 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: we all were, by people wanting a selfie. And this 378 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: girl I told her the story, This girl takes a 379 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: selfie and she's giving a selfie. She tries to make 380 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: out with me and I avert my mouth and she 381 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: licks my neck. She licked my neck full on, like 382 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: licked like like you like you licked um, like you 383 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: like Katie's neck? Yeah, like right and yeah, someone like 384 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: we both lick and then she licked me in another episode. Yeah, yeah, 385 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: it was like that. I was like, whoa. And then 386 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: she got herself and she walked away, so I was 387 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: like okay. And then the other intense thing is I'm 388 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: not so long ago. A few years ago, after scandal ended, 389 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I was doing Network on Broadway and a woman had 390 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: been waiting outside the theater to get my autograph and 391 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: Brian Cranston comes. I guess I hadn't gone out. Maybe 392 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: it was like I don't know. I was hanging out 393 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: in the theater and Brian said, did you see the 394 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: woman with the tattoo when you when? And I was like, 395 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: he said, Tony, there's a woman who wants to meet you, 396 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: who has a tattoo of you on her arm. Oh 397 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: my god, like what? And I ended up I ended 398 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: up going by, I mean, maybe going out later, and 399 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: she wasn't there. And then the next day it was 400 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: a Sunday, I think, the matinee and I came out 401 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: of here and she was still there and a guy 402 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: comes up and says, hey, could my sister meet you? 403 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, she's a big fan of yours. I said, 404 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: of course. And because people that don't go to broder as, 405 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: you guys both know, like people who wants weight the 406 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: actress come out, Yeah, and he and this sweet young 407 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: woman who must have been twenty five years old comes 408 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: up to me and she's like, you know, I really 409 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: admire your work and I'm such a huge scandal fan 410 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: and I whatever you're I don't know if she was like, 411 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: and I want to be a filmmaker and you're whatever. 412 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: Not for profit work you do just means so much 413 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: to me. And so I got a tattoo of my 414 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: face on her arm? What is it fit? Its picture? 415 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: Is it just you in a T shirt? It's just 416 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like me. It was like 417 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: my so like a headshot, but it was like, I guess, 418 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: but it was me. It was it was so I said, oh, 419 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: and I she asked me to sign her arm, and UM, 420 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: you did, did you? I said? Of course? But what 421 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: I meant I was like, whoa, that was pretty intense commitment. 422 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, God bless her about whoa. There's that double 423 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: standard at Shanda Land, which is like, I want to 424 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: ask you about that, the double standard at Shanda Land 425 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: for you all listening, you know, early on, it's it's 426 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: very known that I think Shanna came up to me 427 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: and was like oh, I wrote you a sex scene. 428 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: If you want me to rewrite it for you to 429 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: be in a turtleneck, I will, And I said amazing, 430 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: And then she was like, but also here it's a 431 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: double standard and the guys have to take off their 432 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: shirts a lot. So did you know that going in? No, 433 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: But it was I was okay with it, you know, um, 434 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean again, I just sent to Humor about it 435 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: and Shando again, she was pretty straight up about it, 436 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: like she didn't play games. She said, this is important 437 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: to me and I obviously if I had said I 438 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: refused to do something, she or I'm comfortable, she would 439 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: have respected that. And it was it's not like full 440 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: on nudity. It's taking our shirts off. So it was, 441 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, like Scott and I had our like every 442 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: every table, he'd be like, okay, dude, you're up this week. Yeah, 443 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: you know, he's just like trade off which guy was 444 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: gonna thinking shirt off? It was pretty funny. I remember thinking, 445 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: thank god, I just play Huck, who you know rarely 446 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: takes a shirt off. But you guys had like that 447 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: pressure of being like, oh my god. And then the 448 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: next episode I have a sex scene. I gotta take 449 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: my shirt off. I remember you always eating salads with 450 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: two no like tender green. Remember that was like I was, honestly, 451 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: Scott was more like intense about that Scott eating. Yeah, 452 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: I think Scott worried, you know, worried more about it. 453 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: I just, um, I don't know. Look at my my 454 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: attitude towards you're genetically blessed. Let's put that out there. 455 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: Thank you Tony Goldwin's as from above for giving Tony 456 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Goldwin a six pack that cannot be taken down by 457 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: a meal or of one. Right, so I would have 458 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: my meal recastaurant. But but also it was it stressed 459 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: me out too much to stress about it, so I 460 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: I just stayed in a like a baseline level of fitness, 461 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: which made me feel better and able to work long 462 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: hours anyway. So I was like, all right, this is 463 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: what this job is. So it was so I didn't 464 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: even get too spartan about it, because I think Scott 465 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: would like literally starve himself. Oh yeah, like not even 466 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: that would suck me up, because his genetic ancestors blessed 467 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: him in some ways too, just not with the Tony 468 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: Goldwin stomach, which like that is just like how you're built. 469 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: I sort of feel like Scott Fowey is a pretty 470 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: good looking fellow. I don't know. Oh, he's the best. 471 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: He's absolutely gorgeous. I love you both to piece it. 472 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about, like, um, the beginning 473 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: of your career when you started, do you remember what 474 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: the first I think I know what it is and 475 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about it. But do you remember what 476 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: your first movie was? Your first movie? Oh? Yeah, I 477 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: know why you're excited about it. Yea, yeah, Briday the Thirteenth, 478 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: Part six, Yes, Jason Lives My first movie, part Jason Lives. Yes, 479 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: And I got killed in the first like five minutes 480 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. I think I was the second. I 481 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: was the second person in the movie murdered by Jason. Fuck. Yeah, 482 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: you played Darren Robinson, and I like that's some bad 483 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: acting if you watch. Gillermo recorded it and texted it 484 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: to me yesterday, the clip which I will now fall 485 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: word to you and we will post when this episode 486 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: because of me standing there with a gun going back 487 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: off scum back. Yeah, and then Jason stabs me in 488 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: the heart with a pole. He impales you with like 489 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: a fucking huge ass pole that he just also like 490 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: stabbed the wheel so that your car couldn't and broke 491 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: the headlights. Exactly. You're adorable, But what a dream you 492 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: were in a Friday at thirteen movie. Like that's a 493 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: huge for horror fan, man. I mean I was. I 494 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: was so excited to have a job that. Yeah, Like 495 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: I think I maybe got paid a thousand dollars for 496 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: a week and I thought it was anit of fortune. 497 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: You know, I was just so happy to have it. 498 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the trail that is this episode's rewatch, 499 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: which is I feel like, change the course of scandal 500 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: actually because it was the first episode that really spent 501 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: a lot of time and then flashback and we became 502 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: a show that used that as a vehicle a lot. 503 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: It aired on May tenth in twenty well, and it 504 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: was written by Jenna Bands right. It was directed by 505 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: Tom Verica. And let me take you quick through the 506 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: guest stars of the episode. We have Brendan Hines as 507 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: Giddy and Wallace Bellamy Young as First Lady Melly Grit. 508 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: Holy crap, Bellamy Young was still a fucking wasn't even 509 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: regular year your pipe and smoke. Matt Lesher as Billy 510 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Chambers Kate Burton as Vice President Sally Lankston and Josh 511 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: Malina as assistant US and Josh Melina was against o 512 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: God was assistant US attorney David Rosen. And then we 513 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: have Dan Bucatinsky as James Novak. Brenda Song is Alyssa 514 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: the legal secretary, John Burke is Paul Moseley, and Samantha 515 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: Sloyan as Sassy Stafford, the sassy staffer who ends up 516 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: in a future episode. She ends up having me the 517 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: storyline thing, Yeah that's right, yeah, gee me or you 518 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: hit this synopsis. You hit it last time, you hit 519 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: it so good last time. I feel like I feel 520 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: like I should hit it this time, but could do 521 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: it also after me if you okay? So the synopsis 522 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: is after Fitz shows up at Olivia's apartment and asking 523 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: her to listen to the sex tape. The episode flashes 524 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: back to show Fits his campaign tre to the White 525 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: House and the blossomy relationship between Olivia and Fits. Meanwhile, 526 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: Gideon Wallace investigates Amanda Tana's past and David looks into 527 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Amanda's death. And what a great episode that was. That 528 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: was definitely one of my favorite all times and Verica's 529 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: first episode. Yeah, yeah, it's it's for one of the 530 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: first times that Carry's wig changed from And this was 531 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: our first like whole episode where the big storyline is 532 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: a whole flashback. It's the whole how you know Fitz 533 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: became president, how Fits and Olivia started their love relationship, 534 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: their physical relationship, And it's Tom Verica's introduction to Shawn 535 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: de Land and he was listening became our producing director, 536 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: and now he's the producing director for Bridgeton and the 537 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: upcoming Queen Charlotte, and he's shondaland Staple and family. So 538 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: he obviously did a great job on So Good, And 539 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: of course he ends up directing like a million episodes 540 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: of Scandal throughout the seasons. Yeah, as did Tony. Yeah, 541 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: and the big highlights of this episode that I want 542 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: to talk to you about is this is like, this 543 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: is the episode where you say just one minute, like 544 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: you're on the campaign and you're like just you just 545 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: pull her out of a room and you're like standing 546 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: and all You're just like, we just need one minute together. 547 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: And then this is also the episode that has my favorite, 548 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: one of my favorite Scandal scenes of all time when 549 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: you and Olivia are on the bus and you. Fitz says, 550 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: what kind of coward was I? Yeah, that I didn't 551 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: wait for you? Yeah, I think that's my favorite Scandal 552 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: scene that I did. Tell us, why how did you prepare? 553 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Tell us about that scene? Which just so was so 554 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: beautifully written? You know, Yeah, that was great. Now that 555 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: that episode was so Tom Barker did such a brilliant 556 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: job directing that. It's the first time she calls you 557 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: fits too, like you she keeps yeah, yeah wow, and 558 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: you like just call me and the one minute thing 559 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: and that theme that developed a musical theme that became 560 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Olivian Fits theme. It was beautiful. And it's also the 561 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: episode where you guys have your first real like yeah, 562 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: sh in the hotel room and no hotel, that crazy 563 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: hotels sex scene with the micro thing under the bed, 564 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: the bug under the bed. Yeah, there's a bug unto 565 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: the bed. And now we've we're starting to put all 566 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: together that the the sex sounds that everyone's being sort 567 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: of relate. It's so funny that I'm remembering that. Yeah, 568 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: it was the first sex scene that Carry and I had. 569 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you had to really take it was a 570 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: ten PM show. It's like, she's in a bra, she's 571 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: in a white bra. She's like it's like you pick 572 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: her up and she's around your body. I mean, it 573 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: is fucking on. It was pretty hot. Like yeah, yeah, 574 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: for for not being fully nude, we might as well. Yeah, 575 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: and carry and I were so It's so funny because 576 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: we were so like it was the first time that 577 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: we had done the sex scene together, and so we 578 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: was so like careful with each other, and you know, 579 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: six months we're like, yeah, whatever we've done as a 580 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: thousand times. Yeah. There's also that memorable line where you 581 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: say take off your clothes, which just hits so hard. 582 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: It was so sexy because there's like a there's like 583 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 1: a moment before you say that line. Were you just 584 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: staring at her and then you say take off your clothes. Oh, 585 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: it's so good, it's so good. Were you nervous that day? 586 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: Were you, like, I mean, I know, you've done tens 587 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: of thousands of sex scenes in your life, so it's 588 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: us and those things. I was sort of nervous because 589 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: it was Carries in life. I was nervous not for 590 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Carrie but for our relationship, Like I want as actors, 591 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're like trying to be you know what 592 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm respect Yeah, you're just trying to be 593 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: um developed trust with another person because it's so intimate 594 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: doing sex scenes with people. For those of you listening, 595 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: Tony Goldwin has a real knack. And I had heard 596 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: this because I don't know if y'all remember this, but 597 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: in the season episode one hundred, which this podcast hopefully 598 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: will get there, Quinn has a sex scene with fits. 599 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: It's just a quick makeout and then up to your 600 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: knees for a quick ass blowjob. But listen, I had 601 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: heard in the grape vine, and all you actors listening 602 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: this is tell me if this is just a rumor 603 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: and not true. The rumor was that Tony Goldwin is 604 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: such a great sex scene partner because if there's something 605 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: that you're insecure about with your body, he'll like block 606 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: it with his arm or cover it up. Is this 607 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: made up? You're looking at me like this is made up? 608 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: Maybe I did that once. I don't I don't know. 609 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know where heard it. It might have 610 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: been Bellamy, but I had heard that, like, oh god, 611 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: it's so relieving when you're with someone who's like respectful 612 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: but also like like, oh, you're like maybe Bill me, 613 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: it's I I am. This is clearly a memory that 614 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: I have made up for you. You're welcome, Tony Goldwyn. Yes, 615 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 1: it's true. You know you gotta be you gotta be 616 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: so protective over your partner. I'm enacting with people. You 617 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: got to developed trust. Trust is like the most important 618 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: thing anyway. But when two people have their clothes off 619 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: or or you know, it's just so weird. So that 620 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of and I remember that with you know, I 621 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: think when when bellamine out of sixteen, I may be wrong, 622 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: you'd have to ask her, but I think it was 623 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: her first time ever being basically naked on camera and 624 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: doing it and we have this scene, sex scene in 625 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: the shower together and she was it was so challenging, 626 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, it was so she felt so vulnerable, I think, 627 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, so I remember feeling like I really got 628 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: to take care of her, because yeah, because I have 629 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: done a lot and I've directed a lot of sex 630 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: scenes and it's such a weird thing that we do, 631 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: but all, you know what, they're important because in real 632 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: life sex is such an important yea life and relationships 633 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: and people are so weird and proved about it in 634 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: terms of our culture and everything that, if done right, 635 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: it's such a it can be such an interests, such 636 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: an interesting dramatic situation, you know what I'm saying. So 637 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: I always find it really challenging. Yes, And it's also 638 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: the part that I enjoy the most about shows like 639 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: It's Why, like that, The Will They Won't They? They 640 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: which you and Carrie mastered over years of like I 641 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: think you know, they kept keeping you apart, getting you together, 642 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: keeping you apart, sending her down the road with other people, 643 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: sending you down the road with other people, and then 644 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: bringing you back together. I mean, the sex lives of 645 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: Fitz and Olivia were a huge herpeat of our show. 646 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll be right back, guys. Do you remember 647 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: anything about like the trail? Yeah? I remember a lot 648 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: about it. Okay, we've got homeless Hawk makes his first. 649 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: Is this your homeless Huks first? Yeah? This time? Can 650 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: you tell us about Huck? That's oh right, we also Huck. Right. 651 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: The hardest thing about playing Homeless Huck was that I 652 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: knew I couldn't eat all freaking day because of that 653 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: damn beard, Because you can't, you know, all the hair 654 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: gets in your mouth. Or that was just the biggest 655 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: struggle to being like, you know, they'd come around with 656 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: trays of these delicious looking sandwiches and I'd be like, 657 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: I can't fucking eat that chick, and I'm homeless. Hard 658 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: that was the hardest part. Quinn has her Quinn has 659 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: her grilled cheese sex scene with Gideon in this episode, 660 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: and I remember being very nervous as well and getting 661 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: like seven thousand sprays. Yes, I remember like too, it 662 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: was your first That was your first sex scene, wasn't it, 663 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: you know? And the show? Wasn't it your first one 664 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: in the show? Yes, my first sex I had done show, 665 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: But I remember you being super stressed out about that. 666 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I was really stressed because I probably hadn't done a 667 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: sex scene where like people this many people would watch 668 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: it like I done tons before, and like indies and 669 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: plays where no one gave her rat's ass. But like 670 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: I felt stressed. I got a thousand spray tans a 671 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: thousand because someone told me if you can't and it 672 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: would cover up like butt ZiT and like all this stuff. 673 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: And then who was more nervous than me was Gideon Wallace, right, 674 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: who is now married. Do you know who Gideon Wallace 675 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: is now married to Tony Goldwin. Are you ready to 676 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: fucking fall off your chair? Yeah, he's married to Tatiana Maslani. 677 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: No way, they got married during COVID. Oh my god, 678 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm saying this for your fans because I 679 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: saw Tony Goldwin in Network on Broadway and his character 680 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: is paired up with Tatiana. So you've worked with Tatiana 681 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: closely and had sex scenes with her as well. Oh, Network, 682 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: She and I were the She and Brian Cranston. She Yeah, 683 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: she played the Fay Dunaway part um Gideon. Yeah, Brandon 684 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: is the sweetest guy. Yeah. Oh, Tatiana is the best. 685 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: She's awesome. She's such a great person and brilliant actress. 686 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: But he was really nervous that day, I remember, and 687 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: then I felt so barrassed because we had the sex scene. 688 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: And Tom Verica was like, Okay, it really seems like 689 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: Katie Quinn is like mauling Brendan very easily. And Tom 690 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: said something like, if this was like a point system, 691 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: we kind of wanted to be like one one, you know, 692 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: two too. You don't want it to be like Katie's 693 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: doing it all and Brennan's just sort of and I'm like, 694 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just like I'm I'm an aggressor, 695 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: like like that's just how I do it. Yeah, I 696 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 1: just well, I'm just a controlling person. Like I'm just like, Okay, 697 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this, like let's go. Like I have 698 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: a lot of energy. Obviously you all know that for 699 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: better or for worse. Um, and i'd sort of overtaken him. 700 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: He was very nervous, I remember that. But we got 701 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: it done and then literally the next episode he dies 702 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: with a scissor in the next so yes, yeah, this 703 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: is what this in this episode too, It's one of 704 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: the first times that I remember thinking, oh shit, like 705 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 1: this show is going there. Like the fact that Billy 706 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: Chambers stabs him in the neck. Can you know you 707 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: see a huge spurt of blood come out. It was like, 708 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: oh wow, this is an intense like show. It's it's 709 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: really going for it and going there, which I loved. 710 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: It's dark. This is also the episode where Mellie says 711 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: we see the beginnings of her being the political animal 712 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: that she is, because she comes in and does a 713 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: speech saying that she'd like she basically fakes a miscarriage. 714 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: She says like, oh, it's because I lost a baby, 715 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: and we start to be like whoa. This woman is 716 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: like yeah, a beast, like she will do anything, yes 717 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: for the office. Yeah that's right. Yes, these were my notes. 718 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: What kind of coward was I to marry her and 719 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: not wait for you? Fave line ever she calls him 720 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: fits they hold hands, ladies and gentlemen. It is on 721 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: take off your clothes, he says. Tony Goldwyn's body is insane, 722 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: carries in a little bra ask grabbing, straddling. Whoa ten 723 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: PM show people, billy me? These are my notes when 724 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: I love it. But what's so sweet and how this 725 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: episode sort of wraps up is that then they cut 726 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: to you both in present day and you do the 727 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: one minute again, but we see how broken and far 728 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: like you're just holding her on the couch, right, gee? 729 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: Is that right? Because I bring her the tape to 730 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: look at to listen to the sex tape that it's 731 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: her or not a man that ten or whatever. This 732 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: was huge for TV, I thought too, because it was 733 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: the first time that you say, let's do the you know, 734 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: one minute, but on screen on camera on television, we 735 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: actually wait that full minute in silence of them to 736 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: just holding each other, him holding Olivia. It was so 737 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: so powerful. Yeah, Shanda said, it's going to be a 738 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: full minute. Yeah it was. It was great. It was 739 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: great in that in that yeah, right exactly. And remember 740 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: in season one, didn't in season when we shoot in 741 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: a real apartment, Yeah, when people could barely move in 742 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: the hallways and we're over in this tiny apartment which 743 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: eventually they built in a set on a stage, which 744 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: was much easier. But um, yeah, yeah, did you take 745 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: anything from said Tony? Did you did you take anything 746 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: like a piece of clothing or like so much? First 747 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: of all, I guess ABC's are so many clothes. I 748 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: mean yeah, yeah, thank you god. It was like we 749 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: fudged the rules a little bit about all the wardrobe 750 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: that we uh, whatever's heard for our body, it's either 751 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: sneaking a basement to never be warned. He literally had 752 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: my name all of my suits said on the inside 753 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: because Brooks Brothers made made all my suit a lot 754 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: of my suits, and they said especially Taylor made for 755 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald President Fitzgerald Grant the third Wow, like it's so guy, 756 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: still have a bunch of those suits are really good? 757 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: But they like it, isn't that a cool thing? So 758 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: what were they going to like give them to some 759 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: other actor to wear? Uh so clothes? What else do 760 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: I have? You take anything from the oval office, like 761 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: a piece from your desk or anything that was on it. No, 762 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: we all talked about that. There was nothing. Yeah, there 763 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: was nothing. I really there was like a battleship, but 764 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: I thought I'd be stupid, so I don't think I did. 765 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't tell Tony what you got. And we got 766 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: so much swag. That's the best. So when when the 767 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: series ended, I uh I always admired the window panels, 768 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: the flawed, cracked window panels in Opa. Yah. Yeah, So 769 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: I I hit up Mary Howard, who's one of our producers, 770 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: and asked her if I could have one of those windows, 771 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: one of those panels, and they freaking sent it to 772 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: my house. It's it weighs like a ton, but it's 773 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: the most beautiful piece and it's hanging in my in 774 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: my in my house at the entrance, and it's just 775 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: like one one pane with the framing or one yeah. Yeah, 776 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: it's like poster size, like a movie poster size. But 777 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: it's great, gorgeous, Yeah, I love that you. That's such 778 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: a cool And then I also as an opportunity man 779 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: because I didn't do that either. I also took Huck's 780 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: leather jacket. I'm wearing it right now. Oh that tucks. 781 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome. Yeah. Do you have any scandal memories 782 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: that jump out at you? Also, you're going to have 783 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: to come back on like, if we are doing this 784 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: for a hundred and whatever episodes, we're going to be 785 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,479 Speaker 1: bothering you again. Oh hell yeah, anytime, anytime. It's so fun. 786 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: But what was like? I want to know. I want 787 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: to know a couple of things. How do you feel 788 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: about our WhatsApp scandal chain? We text each other constantly, 789 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: Happy Birthday, Happy holidays. I miss you the best. Are 790 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: there any major memories that stick out in your mind 791 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: about maybe the beginning, the first season, the second season? 792 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: So many things? God? Yeah, I mean that Thursday of 793 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: Rehearsalarity told you about that was like a magical thing 794 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: where you just feel the chemistry between people going to 795 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: the end. When we were in DC, our last episode ever, yeah, 796 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: the best. For no good reason, Seana said, we're shooting 797 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: this episode in Washington. We just had a party and 798 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: remember when Carrie rented a bus friends all the go 799 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: uh look at all the monuments because her favorite thing 800 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: to dear one of you know, of course carry the 801 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: intellectual for one of her favorite things to do in 802 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: DC was to go around all of the different, um, 803 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: you know, her favorite monuments, and she took rented for 804 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: those didn't know the story, she rented a bus for us, 805 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 1: like a tour bus thing, and we all piled in 806 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: at night and drove all around DC and like we're 807 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: drinking partying whist pig, yeah, whistle. I bought Georgians nuwburn 808 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: and I bought a bottle of whistle pig whiskey which 809 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: we which we up really loved at the hotel bar, 810 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: which cost me like four hundred. God there they're like, 811 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: oh it's gonna Georgia. Oh my god, it's gonna cost them. 812 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: Jo like, let's do it. So no one recognized us. 813 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: We were all together, but it was dark so we 814 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: could be with tourists. People didn't. It's so fun. It 815 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: was perfect. It was raining out a little bit, so 816 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: there were really weren't many tourists around and it was 817 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: probably really time the Scandal cast could have ever done 818 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: something like that and not being crazily mobbed. Mobbed isn't 819 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: the whistle? We went the title of our of our 820 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: WhatsApp Yeah, it's chain, aren't we called the wid That's right, 821 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: that's what I already what I just call you guys. Yeah. 822 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: And then Shanda arranged a private tour of the African 823 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: American Museum just opened. So incredible, so lucky, lucky all 824 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: those New York the New York Upfront trips and the 825 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: White House corresponding trips and shooting in DC, and just 826 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: like so many dinners, like we used to Oh, we 827 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: haven't talked about that actually yet. We used to give 828 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: a gift like every year, I think we would just 829 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: take the writers that all the actors would take the 830 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: writers out to dinner, right, yeah, and classic Perry style, 831 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: every actor would sort of get up and like say 832 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: like a rousing speech, as if we were in like 833 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: some Irish like Limerick pub kind of thing, like we'd 834 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: all get up like I want to say this, and 835 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: I want to say that cheers, And yeah, it was 836 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: quite unique. I've forgotten about that because you know, for 837 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: people that aren't in our business, writers are sort of 838 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: notoriously underappreciated. Yeah, and particularly staff writers, because in television, 839 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: you of your showrunner who becomes the big you know, 840 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: hefean Is generally gets all the acolytes and on a 841 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: successful show, and Seana certainly deserves those. But the writers, 842 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: you know, work their asses off, sometimes feeling not seen, 843 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: and so I forget how it evolved. But they were 844 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: just so grateful that we would have this party every 845 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: year with them. Yeah, yeah, it was such magic, such magic. 846 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: Oh wait, can you tell us really quickly because we 847 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't have you on for this episode? You really know 848 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: how to chop wood like that? Right, that's right when 849 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: you chop wood? I actually I actually do not know 850 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: how to chop with Really, it's unbelievable. Didn't Sean to 851 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: email you like, is there any sports or something you 852 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: can do? Yeah? She was cruel to me. She said 853 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: something like can you play What does she say? Can 854 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: you play basketball? Or something? I know? She said, what 855 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: sports can you do? I said, Shanna, I can chop wood. 856 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: I was kidding so that you route in a wood 857 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: chopping scene. And then she would say, well, what what 858 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 1: sports do you play? I said, look, pretty much anything 859 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: except basketball. I cannot play basketball, and then uh, this 860 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: is another like somewhere in the middle of our of 861 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,399 Speaker 1: our whole thing, I said, I can't play, but I 862 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 1: do not play basketball. So all the slow hold um 863 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: Lynn Powlo are brilliant costumes that her texts me one day, 864 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: do we need to schedule of fitting for you to 865 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: come in and try in your basketball club? Like, oh no, god, 866 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: She's like, what didn't Sean to tell you you have 867 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: a basketball scene in the next episode with you Scott 868 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: fully playing basketball. I was like, oh my god, it 869 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,399 Speaker 1: was like an amazing basketball player. We played a high 870 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: school basketball and something. I was like, what is happening? 871 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: So then I called Mary Howard and she said, oh, yes, yes, 872 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: of course we never knew anything about what was happening 873 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: in the next episode. It was we always found out 874 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: at the last minute. So I made them get me 875 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: a basketball coach. You know, for like ten days of 876 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: cramming and I I had blisters on my god, we 877 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: could I could play one on one with Scott, you know, 878 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: we had a full on basketball team. Was ridiculous. Killed it. 879 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: Oh wait And also some fun facts. Stephen Finch does 880 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: not appear at all in this episode past present. He's 881 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: not really at all. So that was Ian's left. Oh yeah, 882 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: but what's crazy because he came into Olivia's life later, yes, yes, yes, 883 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: And then Gideon was up all night working on the 884 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: phone right outside the bathroom, oh, right outside the bedroom, 885 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: and Quinn leaves to get coffee as Gideon calls Billy, 886 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: which means Billy needed to drive to Gideon's house, have 887 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: the conversation and stab him all before Quinn got coffee nearby. Yeah, well, 888 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: you know we always stretch shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 889 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: we always would stretch shows like that exactly. All right, y'all, 890 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: let's get into our favorite tweet time. Y'all. We like 891 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: to wrap up our episodes with we read some tweets 892 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: that were put out that night. Oh my god, we 893 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: must have just found out. This is crazy. But at 894 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: Kasia zero two, one zero and eleven twenty twelve road, 895 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm so happy, happy about Scale ABC being renewed for 896 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: a second season. Doing happy dance right now? Who? Yeah, 897 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: we must know, right, no idea ye season. Yeah. Rebecca 898 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: Theodore of A, shown at film Fatalis It, retweeted a 899 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: Dawn navette uh one time for the hotel scene. I 900 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: haven't seen a love scene so hot with a black 901 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: lead on primetime TV. Overdue, well done hashtag scandal. Yeah, 902 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: this is huge. That ship was so funny. How the 903 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: world has changed, right, Yeah, I mean now you wouldn't 904 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: think twice about it, and it was only totally it 905 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: ten years ago. Ten years ago exactly. I'm willing to bet. 906 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 1: I know we were the first black female lead of 907 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: a network drama in thirty seven years when we aired. 908 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: But I'm curious if there had ever been sex scenes 909 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: between a black woman and a white man on network 910 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: drama primetime, Like, I don't know, and I wonder a 911 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: certainly I would doubt, and if it was like a 912 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: regular relationship as opposed to the thing I called one 913 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: episode or something, Yeah, isn't that insane? And now, thank god, 914 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that's why Scandal is. I mean, it 915 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: was so special for so many reasons, but it really 916 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: was the beginning. Yeah, groundbreaking. Yeah, and thank god you 917 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: and Carrie were so hot together because that was missing. Okay, 918 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: screaming at Scandal right now throws my wonderful pistachios at 919 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: the screen at the end of this damn episode from Rebecca, 920 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: Theodore Vashone and then, oh, this is interesting. At Ramsey says, 921 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: o MG, carry Washington has a small hand compared to 922 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: mister fitz hashtag scandal, don't go there. I don't know 923 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: what that means. This other tweet, Queen of Sandy says, 924 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,720 Speaker 1: reported dude from Scandal was a fool. You can invite 925 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: someone into your home alone and tell them you have 926 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: career ending dirt on them. That's so true. That's a 927 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: very very good point. Scissors in your neck, that's And 928 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: then we have our first hashtag from at x y 929 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,720 Speaker 1: z z in other news, this episode of hashtag scandal 930 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: is my favorite so far. Hashtag one minute. Yeah, oh man, 931 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: this is oh Tony, you are the best. We love 932 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: you and this was such a blast. And thank you 933 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: for being our Fitzgerald Grant the third, forever and ever 934 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,240 Speaker 1: and ever. Yeah, thank you guys, Um Katie, How freaking 935 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: amazing was it having Tony like I couldn't believe it. 936 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: We I think we went over like a lot because 937 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,280 Speaker 1: we can't stop talking to him. So great. The dude 938 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: is the greatest. He's just the most loving. Yeah, talented, 939 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: like smart Yeah. And Friday the thirteen Part six, he's 940 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: in Friday and his first job, his first movie, And 941 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: isn't it so inspiring that he was someone who had 942 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: to really hustle for it, especially in the beginning. And yeah, 943 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: and then even still when he thought he was and 944 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: is this big fancy Hollywood director took eight years to 945 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: put together the movie of Conviction and then it ends 946 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: up not doing what everyone promised him it would do, 947 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: even though it's still an amazing movie. And then his 948 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: entire career took a complete right turn back to being 949 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: an actor. Yeah with Scandal. Yeah, man, thank you, Thank 950 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: you everyone for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed this 951 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,760 Speaker 1: episode as much as we enjoyed talking about it. Next week, 952 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,720 Speaker 1: if Tony Goldwin blew your mind, which he did mine 953 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: and he's the best, we've got a show in store 954 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: for you people. Next episode one oh seven is titled 955 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,760 Speaker 1: Grant for the People, and we've got a very special guest, 956 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: maybe one of the most special guest. Yeah, and it's 957 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: the last episode of the season of season one of Scandal, 958 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 1: So tell your friends come listen. Thank you guys for 959 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show, 960 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 1: please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or leave us 961 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: a review. Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex AlCH, 962 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and 963 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: editor is Vinceda Johnny with music by Chad Fisher. Scandal 964 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 1: is a production of eight You See Signature, and you 965 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 1: can follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu. Unpacking the 966 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio. 967 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from Shondaland Audio, visit the iHeartRadio app 968 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: or anywhere you subscribe to your favorite shows.