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Speaker 1: Yes, and today we are talking about the Goonies. Yes,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies of the eighties. We've had
Speaker 1: several requests for this one, which is really great. So
Speaker 1: nice to know that you're as excited about these as
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Speaker 1: any topic requests, find us on Twitter or whatever. We
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. But Goonies is a special
Speaker 1: one because this was one of those movies that I'd
Speaker 1: watch on repeat, really almost every day as a kid.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. I have nothing especially enlightening
Speaker 1: to say about it. I just think it's a wonderful movie. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's Junior Indiana Jones, which makes sense considering it came
Speaker 1: from the mind of Steven Spielberg. I personally love gang
Speaker 1: movies like this, and The Sandlot definitely gave me unrealistic
Speaker 1: expectations about like friendship goals and the Beatles too. I
Speaker 1: guess you know, Sandlot, Goonies, Beatles, all great gangs. I
Speaker 1: was also really obsessed with shipwrecks as a kid, so
Speaker 1: he sent me into like my family basement in search
Speaker 1: of something akin to the treasure map that sets this
Speaker 1: plot in motion. Hock. We talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: this earlier. What are your thoughts on this movie?
Speaker 2: I don't have love for it the same way you do,
Speaker 2: but it's great. I don't know what you're gonna do
Speaker 2: on the Coonies. It's incredible, I mean, inspiring on all cylinders.
Speaker 2: It's Richard Donner and Steven Spielberg. It's like, even if
Speaker 2: it didn't have the amazing cast that it had and
Speaker 2: the sort of rough hewn charm, it would have still
Speaker 2: been a great movie just by virtue of those guys
Speaker 2: knew how to make movies. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: mean we talked a little bit about this when we
Speaker 2: were first pitching this. But like the eighties, like fan
Speaker 2: to see movie that I watched more was Eddie Murphy
Speaker 2: starring in The Golden Child.
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't think I I don't remember this at all.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: It's like either The Golden Child or Big Trouble in
Speaker 2: Little China. I have Big Trouble Little China. I watched like,
Speaker 2: yeah that I that was Goodies for me. I watched
Speaker 2: that movie like hmm weekly. But yeah, Golden chowd is
Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy. It's like a weird fantasy movie about him,
Speaker 2: like shepherding mystical avatar of some kind back to Nepal
Speaker 2: I think or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just got this crazy. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It's not a good movie. It's just funny, like it's
Speaker 2: one of those things I just had laying around on VHS.
Speaker 1: I have never even seen this movie before.
Speaker 2: People really people don't really talk about it.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know about it. Anyway. We'll
Speaker 1: get ready because we're gonna tell you all about Steven
Speaker 1: Spielberg's secret role as the unofficial co director, the authentic
Speaker 1: blood and skulls use for props, and the real life
Speaker 1: shipwreck that inspired the plot. We've also got the crazy
Speaker 1: connections between the goonies Gremlins, back to the future in
Speaker 1: James Bond, plus Sloth's nightmarish makeup prosthetics that nearly electrocuted him.
Speaker 1: There's the on set few between Corey Felban and Martha Plimpton,
Speaker 1: the prank war between the Fortelli brothers, the time Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson called Sean Aston, and the lost subplot involving escaped gorillas.
Speaker 1: You'll learn how about of chicken pox almost cheated us
Speaker 1: out of Jeff Cohen's hilarious performance as Chunk, how the
Speaker 1: production crew built and destroyed a full size pirate ship,
Speaker 1: and how Alice Cooper crashed the epic cast party. So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is everything you didn't know about
Speaker 1: The Goonies. Wow, we're starting this with a section that
Speaker 1: I have subheaded childhood sads. It's like this in Dad Issues. Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: both coming together very often with Steven Spielberg. Like so
Speaker 1: many great things in this world, The Goonies was conceived
Speaker 1: by Steven Spielberg, who acted as execus, a producer, and
Speaker 1: as will find out, sort of a secret code director
Speaker 1: because he's Steven Spielberg and just couldn't help himself. So
Speaker 1: Spielberg was inspired by two things, the first being his childhood.
Speaker 1: Again because he's Steven Spielberg. He said that the idea
Speaker 1: of the Goonies came from a group of kids he
Speaker 1: knew as a boy in school. And Spielberg had a
Speaker 1: tough time in school because he struggled with undiagnosed dyslexia,
Speaker 1: and as a result, he learned to read a few
Speaker 1: years later than other kids in his class, and he
Speaker 1: was bullied mercilessly because of it. He described himself as
Speaker 1: being a nerd and an outsider growing up. Quote like
Speaker 1: the kid that played clarinet in the band and orchestra,
Speaker 1: which I did, which I personally take offense to because
Speaker 1: I do as well. And I recently went out of
Speaker 1: my way to tell that to a friend the other day,
Speaker 1: And now I'm wondering if I shouldn't have. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that the clarinet was that loaded of a band instrument.
Speaker 2: Do you know that you can hear Spielberg playing clarinet
Speaker 2: on the Jaws soundtrack? No, it's when there's like a
Speaker 2: school marching band coming by, and apparently they couldn't get
Speaker 2: like one of these.
Speaker 1: I guess they either either.
Speaker 2: Williams did it as a favor for him, or they
Speaker 2: couldn't find like an actual orchestra musician to playly enough
Speaker 2: to sound like a high school clarinet player, that they
Speaker 2: just got Spielberg to do it. But you can see
Speaker 2: him playing clarinet on there's photos of him playing clarinet
Speaker 2: on the set of on the set of Jaws.
Speaker 1: Really cute, that's adorable. Yeah, But he was also bullied
Speaker 1: in his town as a kid because he's one of
Speaker 1: the only Jewish families in I think the neighborhood he
Speaker 1: was growing up in Arizona, which led him to be
Speaker 1: mocked and even beaten a little later in high school,
Speaker 1: and Spielberg apparently got revenge on his bullies one night
Speaker 1: by sneaking out and smearing peanut butter on their windows.
Speaker 1: The fifties ladies and gentlemen anyway, So during this rough
Speaker 1: period in Spielberg's youth, he was embraced by a gang
Speaker 1: of outsiders who sort of took them under their wing
Speaker 1: and made him feel included and for a time somewhat normal.
Speaker 1: This was, at its heart, the genesis of the Goonies,
Speaker 1: this gang of inclusive outsiders who go off in search
Speaker 1: of a legendary seventeenth century pirates treasure. As I said,
Speaker 1: it's sort of an Indiana Jones adventure written by S. C.
Speaker 1: Hinton for the legend of One Eyed Willie and his
Speaker 1: shipped The Inferno. Spielberg was inspired by the wreck of
Speaker 1: the Santa Cristo de Burgos, which was a Spanish galleon
Speaker 1: that set sail from the Philippines to Mexico in sixteen
Speaker 1: ninety three but never made it to its destination. It
Speaker 1: vanished on its journey, taking with it a precious cargo
Speaker 1: of porcelain, silk and bees wax. Something about bees not
Speaker 1: being indigenous to certain parts of the world. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Beeswax hot commodity in the sixteen hundreds, So bizarrely, this
Speaker 1: Spanish galleon was thought to be shipwrecked off the coast
Speaker 1: of Astoria, Oregon, which is a long way off from Mexico.
Speaker 1: I guess the trade route would take it down the
Speaker 1: coast of northern California, but they must have went off
Speaker 1: course somewhere to end up in Oregon. Indigenous tribes in
Speaker 1: what's now known as Oregon passed down stories about this
Speaker 1: galleon throughout the generations, calling the bees wax wreck because
Speaker 1: of these blocks of beeswax that would wash ashore from it,
Speaker 1: as well as bits of blue and white porcelain and
Speaker 1: bits of wood we'd get tossed up on the rocks
Speaker 1: or buried in the sound every now and then, And
Speaker 1: this led to this whole run on the area by
Speaker 1: treasure hunters in the late nineteenth century, not long after
Speaker 1: the gold Rush. And so these reports in this area
Speaker 1: about this being this lost pirate ship, right, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a pirate ship, right, but this lost Spanish galleon helped
Speaker 1: inspire Spielberg to create the One Eyed Willie plot of
Speaker 1: the Goodies. And for years this wreck was basically thought
Speaker 1: just to be like a local legend. But then in
Speaker 1: June twenty twenty two, just earlier this year, National Geographic
Speaker 1: confirmed that they found what was left of the Santa
Speaker 1: Cristo de Burgos. Found a few dozen timbers, which is
Speaker 1: extremely rare for a century's old ship and waters, and
Speaker 1: I think they found more peace wax, which is good
Speaker 1: that the world needs. So it was a happy ending there.
Speaker 2: First you get the money, then you get the bees wax.
Speaker 1: Then you got the tower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a famous British warship that's near the hell Gate,
Speaker 2: which is that super cool name for the like stretch
Speaker 2: of water between Randall's Island and Astoria and New York.
Speaker 2: And uh, something like two to four million dollars in
Speaker 2: gold down there.
Speaker 1: Did they get it?
Speaker 2: I there's like a whole there's a whole thing about
Speaker 2: treasure hunters trying to find it.
Speaker 1: But no, I think they blew it up because they would.
Speaker 2: This is I mean, this is maybe a little too
Speaker 2: NYC granular history, but this place was so treacherous that
Speaker 2: at one point the US Army Corps of Engineers detonated.
Speaker 2: Uh like they just tried to blow it up, essentially
Speaker 2: to like blow up a bunch of the rocks in
Speaker 2: a crucial area too, to kind of change the flow
Speaker 2: of water. So they maybe they probably blew this ship up. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to also be super haunted. Uh, well, I
Speaker 2: imagine that all shipwrecks. Well there's a bunch of there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of like prisoners of war and I
Speaker 2: think slaves on this particular ship.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, so extra haunted. All shipwrecks are haunted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: extra haunted.
Speaker 2: There was a great hang on there's a great I
Speaker 2: forget the name of this ship. There was a great
Speaker 2: quote the hussar. Oh yeah, oh you.
Speaker 1: Know the husser. Well, go go, go go.
Speaker 2: In eighteen seventy six, the USR recorps of engineers blew
Speaker 2: fifty six thousand pounds or twenty five tons of dynamite
Speaker 2: to try and to try and blow that up and
Speaker 2: failed or succeeded. I don't know what the metric of success.
Speaker 1: They are there. That was what they're gonna do for
Speaker 1: the Titanic. They were going to try to set off
Speaker 1: before they realized it was like two and a half
Speaker 1: miles down. They were going to try to set off
Speaker 1: explosives that were going to try to dis lodge it
Speaker 1: and bring it to the surface or fill it with
Speaker 1: ping pong balls.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I remember the ping pong ball's bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess. In twenty thirteen they found uh, okay, so
Speaker 2: they found a cannon from it at least, and they
Speaker 2: were cleaning this cannon and they found out it was
Speaker 2: loaded and still had nearly two pounds of gunpowder in it,
Speaker 2: which is like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Smoke break as they're cleaning this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have like you're like your your nice docile
Speaker 2: job as a as a preservationist and you find a
Speaker 2: fully loaded active cannon.
Speaker 1: That's a huzzer. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2: Anyway, getting back on track, speaking of old wooden ships. Uh,
Speaker 2: Spooberg hired screenwriter Christopher Columbus. Two we did there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: ties back, ties back together. Columbus had just written nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four's Gremlins, which is a personal favorite of mine,
Speaker 2: and he would obviously go on to direct Home Alone,
Speaker 2: Missus Doubtfire, the first two Harry Potter movies by Centennial Man. Ooh,
Speaker 2: this is this thing on?
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He brought his own ideas to the story, though he
Speaker 2: grew up in Ohio, where he spent a lot of
Speaker 2: his youth exploring the abandoned coal mines, not an activity
Speaker 2: I can recommend.
Speaker 1: This show does not condone pencil. I feel like that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sure a lot of speaking of haunted places. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess instead of the docks, his
Speaker 2: pitch was to have them all be in coal mines.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, God, I had always
Speaker 1: heard it as the boonies or the boone docks. I
Speaker 1: think the goonies is the phrase I had never heard
Speaker 1: unless it was in the context of this movie. Have
Speaker 1: you heard that? Nope?
Speaker 2: So boondocks. Oh this is interesting. This is this here,
Speaker 2: this will interest you. Boon Docks comes from the word
Speaker 2: in Tagalog bundock for mountain. It was adapted by American
Speaker 2: soldiers stationed in the Philippines and then readopted in the
Speaker 2: early twentieth century, and then picked up again in World
Speaker 2: War Two. So that's boondocks goon. Oh boy, I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to get racist. Oh it's early May. Yeah,
Speaker 2: goony goon could be made up. Etymology Online traces it
Speaker 2: to Harper's in December of twenty one, possibly originating from
Speaker 2: sailor slang referring to Albatross's or other big clumsy birds.
Speaker 1: But I guess yeah, Spielberg was probably like, you know what,
Speaker 1: coal mines not especially cinematic. What about a boat? Just
Speaker 1: think about a boat, plus.
Speaker 2: Trying to imagine lighting all that. Oh yeah, anyway, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of rewrites on this movie. I didn't
Speaker 2: find anyone else credited. Did you find anyone who's like
Speaker 2: a script doctor on this or it was just they
Speaker 2: just kept sending it back to Chrystalmas. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: Becker Fagan just be like, Nope, not it, that's not it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess much like Xana do a recent episode.
Speaker 2: I guess the actors didn't get pages for their scenes
Speaker 2: until right before they were about to shoot, which sounds
Speaker 2: nerve wracking.
Speaker 1: And they're all kids too. Yeah, it's resilient, they'll bounce back.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, like they didn't even know what was
Speaker 2: happening to Chunk. They had no idea what his plot
Speaker 2: line was. They were just like, hey, he gets separated
Speaker 2: at some point, we haven't seen him for.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks. Does kill off Chunky?
Speaker 2: So I guess we mentioned Chris Columbus also at the
Speaker 2: script of Gremlins, And so there's a reference in Goonie's
Speaker 2: Two Gremlins. You said that this presupposes then that they
Speaker 2: take place in the same shared cinematic universe. So when
Speaker 2: Chunk calls the cops, they nod to this habit he
Speaker 2: had of prank calls. The officer reminds him of the
Speaker 2: time when he called with a story about little green
Speaker 2: creatures that multiply when you pour water on them. Gremlins.
Speaker 2: That movie was also executive produced by Spielbergen features a
Speaker 2: young Corey Feldman, who will get to And there's another connection.
Speaker 2: Did you know that the town in Gremlins, which is
Speaker 2: Kingston Falls, is shot on the same soundstage as Back
Speaker 2: to the Future the set for Mill Valley?
Speaker 1: What the universal backlot? Wow? Courts square my god Well.
Speaker 1: On the topic of Back to the Futures, internet sleuths
Speaker 1: have discovered an interesting connection between The Goonies and Back
Speaker 1: to the Future My favorite movie. Appropriately enough, it all
Speaker 1: has to do with time. There's a wall calendar seen
Speaker 1: ten minutes into The Goonies that shows that it's October
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, and there's also a newspaper front page
Speaker 1: that's seen around the forty three minute mark that's dated
Speaker 1: October twenty fourth, nineteen eighty five, which was a Thursday,
Speaker 1: And at one point in the movie, mouth says that
Speaker 1: it's Saturday, two days later, which means that the whole
Speaker 1: movie takes place on October twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: This is the exact day that Marty McFly takes the
Speaker 1: DeLorean back in time to nineteen fifty five. And considering
Speaker 1: Spielberg was involved with Back to the Future two, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any way that could be an accident.
Speaker 2: This sets the stage for and verbal contract, a movie
Speaker 2: in which Marty McFly meets the Goonies, meets the Gremlins,
Speaker 2: meets the Flintstones, meets the Jetsons in Viva Rock Vegas.
Speaker 1: And the Flintstones Kids with the WWE And this answers Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the Rockets, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Aristocrats.
Speaker 2: We do so much uncredited development work on the show,
Speaker 2: like come on, we're just spinning.
Speaker 1: Gold Man well, getting back to Corey Feldman, as all
Speaker 1: things must do. He apparently goes way back with Spielberg.
Speaker 1: He talks about going to visit him on the set
Speaker 1: of Poultrygeist, which Spielberg wrote and, depending on who you believe,
Speaker 1: may have covertly directed. Feldman claims that he was originally
Speaker 1: cast in et as Elliott's best friends, but the roles
Speaker 1: written out sure. Feldman says that Spielberg felt so bad
Speaker 1: about this that he promised to put him in his
Speaker 1: next project that he was working on, which was Gremlin's.
Speaker 1: Considering this is Corey Feldman, I'm inclined to call bs
Speaker 1: on this, but Spielberg does have a history of doing this.
Speaker 1: When he was casting for Hook, he really liked this
Speaker 1: one kid, but didn't cast them, but to me put
Speaker 1: him in his next movie, which was Jurassic Park, and
Speaker 1: that was the little boy in that Joseph Mazzella, So
Speaker 1: he does have a track record of doing that.
Speaker 2: Later went on to play Queen. Bassist John Deacon made
Speaker 2: me rasty.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until this morning, and I almost
Speaker 1: texted you about it. That blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Loved John Deacon less so that movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, So Gremlins led to Corey Feldman's evolvement in Goonies,
Speaker 1: but he still had to audition. I guess Bilberg was
Speaker 1: originally slated to direct the Goonies, but then he dropped
Speaker 1: out and director Richard Donner took over, which we'll talk
Speaker 1: more about in a little bit. So Corey Felban lost
Speaker 1: his favorite status and had to go back to auditioning.
Speaker 1: So he goes to the audition and he meets another
Speaker 1: young kid in the waiting room who's also there to
Speaker 1: audition to play the character of Mouth, and that was
Speaker 1: Corey Hame and they would famously be joined at the
Speaker 1: hip throughout the eighties and early nineties, becoming best friends
Speaker 1: and starring together in The Lost Boys and apparently six
Speaker 1: other movies together, Too Sweetly. Feldman said that after Ham's
Speaker 1: death in twenty ten, one of the first people to
Speaker 1: call him the check on him was his Goonies co
Speaker 1: star Shaan Astone. Like the sweetest the goodest boy, but
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, Feldman kind of the opposite of
Speaker 1: the goodest boy. You can sometimes get on the rest
Speaker 1: of the cast nerves. He was basically his character in
Speaker 1: the movie. He and Martha Plimpton in particular, had kind
Speaker 1: of a tempestuous relationship, sort of a big sister little
Speaker 1: brother relationship. She recalls flipping out on him one day.
Speaker 1: I was sitting at my typewriter doing my homework and
Speaker 1: he came over and started annoying me. I got up
Speaker 1: from the typewriter and got him on the floor and
Speaker 1: started smashing his hand on it, shouting, shut up, shut up,
Speaker 1: shut up. I think this was I think she tells
Speaker 1: the story like during some kind of Goonies event, like
Speaker 1: to his face, So I think they're okay now. When
Speaker 1: Feldman was a guest on Steve O's wild Ride podcast
Speaker 1: Friend of the Pod Stevo, he said that he was
Speaker 1: only paid forty dollars for six months work on the Goonies,
Speaker 1: which I find weird for a Spielberg production. Sure, maybe
Speaker 1: that's just what his parents told him here a Yeah,
Speaker 1: he emancipated himself, I think not long after. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Feldman remains inordinately proud of Goony's, calling it the Willie
Speaker 1: Walker of our generation. I don't know if I get
Speaker 1: the analogy, but sure, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean poor Corey, yeah kid who truly got cheered up
Speaker 2: and spit out by the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this leads us somewhat perfectly into the Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson corner. Yes, there's a line in the movie where
Speaker 1: Chunk talks about, you know, some made up story about
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson coming over to his house to use the bathroom,
Speaker 1: which is ironic because Corey Feldman had a burgeoning friendship
Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson around this time. Is Director Richard Donner
Speaker 1: and Steven Spielberg apparently used the Jacksons as something of
Speaker 1: a carrot during the production. They sent the young cast
Speaker 1: to see the Jackson's Victory Reunion tour at Dodger Stadium
Speaker 1: during pre production. This a treat, And I guess when
Speaker 1: they were filming the pipe scene, you know, the scene
Speaker 1: where they're all banging on the pipes and try to signal,
Speaker 1: you know, that they need help to the people in town. Feldman,
Speaker 1: he didn't have the passion that director Richard Donner wanted.
Speaker 1: So Donner told him a little surprised that he was
Speaker 1: going to tell him later. He told him, Michael Jackson's
Speaker 1: coming to visit the set tomorrow, you know. And then
Speaker 1: they went to shoot the scene again, and Corey's all
Speaker 1: amped up because his hero is about to visit the set.
Speaker 1: And I think it's when he's the scene when he's
Speaker 1: screaming the line reverse pressure. Yeah, it's interesting, Donna, really, Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this later. That's some really unique ways
Speaker 1: of trying to get good performances out of these kids,
Speaker 1: kind of like Kubrick doing the Shining when he had
Speaker 1: this cole separate plot that he made up to tell
Speaker 1: the little boy he was playing Danny, so that he
Speaker 1: didn't traumatize them by telling him the real plot. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like Richard Donner's approach here. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: Michael did come onto the set. There's amazing pictures of
Speaker 1: him on One Eyed Billy's pirate ship with his arm
Speaker 1: around Chunk, which which is kind of funny because it
Speaker 1: validated chunks bs story from earlier on the plot about
Speaker 1: hanging with Michael Jackson. So Corey Felbrian was close friends
Speaker 1: with Michael and the two lady became estranged for reasons
Speaker 1: that are murky. But uh, well, actually, you I believe
Speaker 1: have found.
Speaker 2: Something desperately hope is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that? Well, Corey felban and Michael Jackson fall out.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons that I've read cited was that
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson was afraid of how Corey Felbman was going
Speaker 2: to talk to him about talk about him in one
Speaker 2: of his books that he'd written, and backed off accordingly.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Feldman the whole you have to we have to talk
Speaker 2: about nine to eleven when we talk about Corey Feldman
Speaker 2: and Michael Jackson. I don't know if people know this,
Speaker 2: but apparently Michael Jackson drove Marlon Brando, Elizabeth Taylor, and
Speaker 2: Liza Minelli out of New York on nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: There was a like a made for TV movie with
Speaker 1: Joseph Fines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in like Whiteface. It's deeply upsetting. So that's a
Speaker 2: real thing that happened, And apparently Feldman was not included
Speaker 2: in this, and he was upset about that, and he
Speaker 2: retaliated with this song called megaloman that features the lyrics
Speaker 2: I believed in your words, I believed in your lies.
Speaker 1: But in September in New York, you left me to die.
Speaker 1: I love you, megalo Man so as in Megalomaniac. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: So their relationship fell apart, either because of what Michael
Speaker 2: was afraid that Corey was going to write about, or
Speaker 2: because of nine to eleven to Potato Potato.
Speaker 1: I am not being sarcastic when I say, why don't
Speaker 1: more people know about this? That's wow?
Speaker 2: Okay, well barely this road trip ended up in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Either they got on so well or they were just
Speaker 2: like so petrified of being on the East Coast that
Speaker 2: they drove into Ohio. And I read that Marlon Brando
Speaker 2: who was like, you know, this is in full figured
Speaker 2: Brendo era, so they I guess he was like constantly
Speaker 2: asking to stop for fast food, annoying everyone else in
Speaker 2: the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a hell of a movie.
Speaker 2: That's a great, great movie that that should be made.
Speaker 2: They deserves better they made it. No, it deserves better
Speaker 2: than that. I mean, I'm talking prestige. I want Daniel
Speaker 2: day Lewis in there. I want Meryl Streep. No, Meryl
Speaker 2: Streep could play Elizabeth Taylor. I'm developing again.
Speaker 1: Damn it. Here's a question. I mean no offense when
Speaker 1: I say this. Do you think the car trip? Do
Speaker 1: you think it was funny? Do I think it was funny? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Scream? Are you imagining? Imagine all those personalities in that car.
Speaker 2: It's better if it was like a compact, if they
Speaker 2: weren't in like like and they weren't a limited.
Speaker 1: It was my driving.
Speaker 2: God, that's a great question. I wonder who drove. I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, Maybe they took turns. Liz McNeil wrote
Speaker 2: about this at People.
Speaker 1: Oh ah.
Speaker 2: Tim Mendelssohn, a close friend and trustee of Elizabeth Taylor's estate,
Speaker 2: shot down the rumors, saying there was never any road trip.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth was in New York after nine to eleven. Wow,
Speaker 2: that is wild. So, Corey Feldman, you wrote that distrack
Speaker 2: megaloman for nothing? All right, Well, that was one of
Speaker 2: our most bizarre at tensions we've ever been on this Well,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Corey's become a passionate crusader against child sexual abuse, and
Speaker 1: although he's repeatedly insisted that nothing inappropriate ever happened with
Speaker 1: him and Michael, after seeing the explosive Leaving Neverland documentary
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, he said he no longer felt comfortable
Speaker 1: defending Michael, and also admitted the possibility that Jackson could
Speaker 1: have been grooming him as part of their friendship. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's still dressing up as him.
Speaker 2: As recently as twenty thirteen, he did a Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: tribute performance in costume performing Billy Jean at a Limp
Speaker 2: Biscuit show.
Speaker 1: Wow, Who's that okay? Michael took an active interest in
Speaker 1: more than a young boy. Yeah, yeah, I was really
Speaker 1: trying to find a way to say that didn't land
Speaker 1: on that phrasing, But yeah, the movie star Sean Aston,
Speaker 1: and he even called him at home. Sean Assen told
Speaker 1: Vulture in twenty seventeen, I remember Michael Jackson once called
Speaker 1: to see if I was feeling okay because I'd gone
Speaker 1: home sick from the set of the Goonies. They shut
Speaker 1: down production for a couple of days. I was so
Speaker 1: excited he called, but he didn't leave his number, and
Speaker 1: the first thing my mom said was, I don't understand
Speaker 1: what does he want? Why is he calling you? And
Speaker 1: Sean Aston's mom was Patty Duke, who was a child
Speaker 1: actress in the sixties who'd starred in The Patty Duke
Speaker 1: Show and won an Oscar for her portrayal of Helen
Speaker 1: Keller in The marri Arcle Worker, and probably most relevant
Speaker 1: to my tacky interests, starred as Neili O'Hara and Valley
Speaker 1: of the Dolls. So yeah, she probably being a former
Speaker 1: child star herself and having gone through it, she probably
Speaker 1: was very wary of who's coming around her son. God uh.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Sean Aston, yeah, his family history is really fascinating.
Speaker 2: For years, no one had any idea whose father was,
Speaker 2: including him and his mom. She had a relationship with
Speaker 2: Dizzy Arnez Junior, who is Lucy and Ricky's son, but
Speaker 2: she also had a relationship with a music journalist named
Speaker 2: Michael Tell, and so when she got pregnant she didn't
Speaker 2: know who the dad was. Michael Tell, this being the seventies,
Speaker 2: offered to marry her to keep her out of the
Speaker 2: tabloid sheets, but their marriage lasted thirteen days. God dam,
Speaker 2: I didn't even make it too. That's got to be
Speaker 2: a record. Yeah, that's like Pam Anderson and John Peters Territory.
Speaker 1: Do you not remember that? No, John Peter's the producer,
Speaker 1: the very same he was married to Pam Pam Anderson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they watched Pam Anderson. John Peters played by Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2: Gotta love tail so much it's gonna it's gonna kill me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How long were they married? Twelve days? They beat
Speaker 1: them twelve days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is big page six. When I was working there,
Speaker 2: claimed claimed. He claimed that he paid off all of
Speaker 2: her debts. Wow, and then they at least but she
Speaker 2: had almost two hundred grand in bills and no way
Speaker 2: to pay it. And then he said, and this is
Speaker 2: the thanks I get. Well, he's kind of a scumback,
Speaker 2: so oh yeah, well, yes, anyway, thirteen day marriage. Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ Sean was born in nineteen seventy one, so Patty's
Speaker 2: marriage to Michael Tell was over by that point. A
Speaker 2: year later, she married John Askedon, who played Gomez in
Speaker 2: the Adams Family.
Speaker 1: And was the dad on the original Freaky Friday.
Speaker 2: And John asked in as Sean and gives him his last.
Speaker 1: Name, Patty Duke and John Assen then split when Sean
Speaker 1: was a teenager and Patty married another guy named Michael Pierce.
Speaker 1: And this was the same year that Sean was filming
Speaker 1: The Goonies. Patty told him that Desi Jr. Was his
Speaker 1: real dad, and so he got really close with Desi Jr.
Speaker 1: And then after ten years of believing this, he took
Speaker 1: a blood test and learned that music journalist Michael Tell,
Speaker 1: the guy of the Thirteen Day Marriage, was actually his dad.
Speaker 2: And yeah, further evidence in Sean Aston just being the
Speaker 2: goodest boy he has just he is a very zen
Speaker 2: viewing it all, he says he's close to all four
Speaker 2: of them, saying I can call any of them on
Speaker 2: the phone anytime I want to, John, Desi, Mike or
Speaker 2: Papa Mike. My four dads.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: John Aston and Patty Duke were divorcing by the time
Speaker 2: Goonies came out, but they held hands and cried through
Speaker 2: their entire first viewing of it because they were so
Speaker 2: proud of their little boy. Oh you know, as testified
Speaker 2: by a long career in Hollywood, inherited his Oscar winning
Speaker 2: mother's talent, and the scene where he tells the story
Speaker 2: of One Eyed Willy is improvised, or at the very
Speaker 2: least recalled from very short memory. Richard Donner wanted to
Speaker 2: get a naturalistic performance read out of this scene, so
Speaker 2: just before they shot this, Donner told him the story
Speaker 2: of One Eyed Willy, and then when the cameras were
Speaker 2: basically said, all right, just repeat that as best you
Speaker 2: can while the cameras are rolling. So that's why it
Speaker 2: kind of looks like, you know, he's like recalling it
Speaker 2: in real time guesse. He was, Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: I love all the ways that Richard Donner got these
Speaker 1: really natural performances out of these.
Speaker 2: Kids, just despite hating them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that. Yeah. Uh, just a
Speaker 1: quick pause here before we go any further. One Eyed Lilly.
Speaker 1: That is a dirty joke, right, that's obvious. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: good fun check. There are really a disproportionate number of
Speaker 1: kids with famous parents in this movie, or maybe it's
Speaker 1: Hollywood nepotism. I don't know. It just seems weird to me.
Speaker 1: In addition to Sean Aston, there's Martha Plimpton, who's the
Speaker 1: daughter of Keith Carradine and also distantly related to the
Speaker 1: writer George Plimpton. In a way, aren't we all distantly
Speaker 1: related to the writer George Plimpton. And of course you
Speaker 1: have Josh Brolin, the son of noted handsome man actor
Speaker 1: James Brown, who's still alive. I didn't realize this was
Speaker 1: Josh Brolin's film debut, and he was very intense and eager.
Speaker 1: In fact, he was a bit of a tryhard. He'd
Speaker 1: been reading about the Stanislavsky method of acting, and he
Speaker 1: later recalled the day that they were filming the scene
Speaker 1: where the goonies slide through the underground water tunnels that
Speaker 1: dump them out in the water around the pirate ship,
Speaker 1: and Brolin later said I came up to Spielberg and
Speaker 1: said that I wanted to climb the walls of the
Speaker 1: tunnels and that it represented my mother's womb. For some
Speaker 1: odd reason. Spielberg's response was, why don't you just act?
Speaker 2: I would prefer if it were Richard Donner, and he
Speaker 2: was just like, son of a bitch, I'm so sick
Speaker 2: of these damn kids.
Speaker 1: Uh. It's the shades of the Dustin Hoffman Lawrence Olivia
Speaker 1: exchange during Marathon Man, when Dustin Hoffins like, oh, I
Speaker 1: lost my motivation and Olivia is like, why don't you
Speaker 1: try acting Darling? Yeah? Uh yeah. The directorial approaches on
Speaker 1: this movie were a little less high concept than Stanislavsky.
Speaker 1: I guess when director Richard Donner wanted more intensity, he
Speaker 1: would just yell big eyes during a major scene where
Speaker 1: it works every time. Uh. Josh Brolin is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite lines in this movie when he's yelling at
Speaker 1: his younger brother Mikey, I'm gonna hate you so hard
Speaker 1: when you wake up, your clothes are gonna be out
Speaker 1: of style. Yeah, it's a great line. Yeah. There's a
Speaker 1: funny little goof in the scene where the Goonies are
Speaker 1: in the abandoned restaurant where the for Tellies are hiding out,
Speaker 1: like just after Chunk breaks the water cooler. Sean Aston
Speaker 1: aka Mikey calls Josh Brolin by his real name instead
Speaker 1: of his character brand, but left that in for some reason.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Chunk, we have to talk about the kid
Speaker 1: who played him, the amazing Jeff Cohen, truly the MVP
Speaker 1: of this movie. He is so good yet it's I believe,
Speaker 1: the only live action role he ever did, and we
Speaker 1: very nearly didn't even get that. He got chicken pox
Speaker 1: just before the shoot and was worried that they'd recast
Speaker 1: the role if he told them about it, so he
Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone and he showed up anyway, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: leading to an outbreak of chicken pox on the setup,
Speaker 1: and you can see it when he's doing the truffle
Speaker 1: shuffle and lifting his shirt up. You can actually see
Speaker 1: the spot still in his chest and stomach. I feel
Speaker 1: really bad for this kid. He really hated doing the
Speaker 1: truffle shuffle. Like that look of dismay you see on
Speaker 1: his face when mouth makes him do it is like
Speaker 1: authentic and to make him feel better, Director Richard Donner
Speaker 1: actually cleared the set when he did it, which is
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I really feel bad for him.
Speaker 1: Richard Donner really loved this kid. Jeff Cohen, who played Chunk.
Speaker 1: In the scene where Chunk starts crying when the Fortellies
Speaker 1: take his ice cream even spoon away, you could actually
Speaker 1: hear donn Or giggling off screen if you listened to it.
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Cohen, kid play Chunk, actually ad libbed
Speaker 1: a lot of that. I know he ad libbed the
Speaker 1: Hebrew prayer that he says when he first sees Jake
Speaker 1: Fortelly and the scene where he tells the story about
Speaker 1: vomiting off a theater balcony. He's just an inspired performance.
Speaker 1: The anecdote itself is a real life prank that Spielberg
Speaker 1: did when he was growing up in Arizona. I don't
Speaker 1: know much more about it beyond that, I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear Spielberg explain how he fake vomited in the middle
Speaker 1: of a theater. But yeah, this kid, Jeff Cohen is
Speaker 1: just so damn good. He appeared on a very famous
Speaker 1: British chat show called Wogan, just himself, not with the
Speaker 1: rest of the cast of the movie, you know, right
Speaker 1: after Goonies came out, and he's absolutely hysterical. Check it
Speaker 1: out on YouTube. He's wearing this like bizarre duck hat
Speaker 1: that has wings that randomly flaps, and like he handles
Speaker 1: all sorts of like really terrible body shamy questions from
Speaker 1: the host, which is incredible quick comebacks. It's really funny.
Speaker 1: Perhaps because of all this flack about his weight, he
Speaker 1: left acting soon after The Goonies. He slimmed down and
Speaker 1: pursued a law degree, but his reputation as Chunk followed
Speaker 1: him wherever he went. He ran for class president UC
Speaker 1: Berkeley with the slogan chunk for President, which you know,
Speaker 1: use what you got good publicity. It was also during
Speaker 1: his college days that he performed the truffle shuffle for
Speaker 1: the only time publicly. He later said, I was the
Speaker 1: mic man at the football games, trying to pump the
Speaker 1: crowd up. I wasn't certain everyone knew who I was.
Speaker 1: I got up there to say go Bears, and this
Speaker 1: frat guy in the back row started screaming, truck full
Speaker 1: shof full. Then the last three rows started chanting it.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, it caught on and ten thousand
Speaker 1: students were cheering truff full shuff full guy. So I know,
Speaker 1: I know. But now he works as an entertainment lawyer
Speaker 1: where he counts the kid who played Data among his
Speaker 1: many clients. I didn't realize the kid who played Data
Speaker 1: is also in everything everywhere, all.
Speaker 2: Why yeahund as well in Temple of Doom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When that movie came out, he did a bunch of
Speaker 2: interviews where he was talking about how basically how disillusioned
Speaker 2: he was with Hollywood after being in these two enormous
Speaker 2: back to back movies and then just being unable to
Speaker 2: find work because of the climate of Hollywood racism. You
Speaker 2: also will remember this is the era of Long Duck
Speaker 2: Dong being in sixteen Candles. So not only were there
Speaker 2: not opportunities for people of Asian descent to be in movies,
Speaker 2: but they Hollywood was just comfortable being openly racist towards them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he had a really interesting career. I guess
Speaker 2: he worked in Hong Kong for a while. He was
Speaker 2: choreographing fight scenes. He was doing ad assistant directing work
Speaker 2: for One car Y who's cultishly adored director. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and everything everywhere all wants whips. So happy ending for
Speaker 2: him after years of misery.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of offensive names in films, I guess Data's
Speaker 1: real name in this movie is re Wang Dick. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: come on, come on. You'll notice how everyone in this
Speaker 1: movie is a nickname, Data, Chunk, Sloth, Brands, and their
Speaker 1: real names are rarely ever mentioned. But we hear too
Speaker 1: much information, have dug them up. And Mikey is Michael Walsh. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Mouth is Clark Devereaux. Data. We just said, Richard Wang
Speaker 1: Brand is Brandon Walsh, Chunk is Lawrence Cohen, Andy is
Speaker 1: Andrea Teresa Carmichael's boring, and Stephan is Stephanie Steinbrenner and
Speaker 1: sloth is Lotney for Telly, I remember his mom says
Speaker 1: that a couple of times lotany that's a name, funny story.
Speaker 1: The real life last names of all the Goonies end
Speaker 1: in the letter and Aston, Brolin, Cohen, Felman, Green, Plimpton,
Speaker 1: and Kwan. Wow. Do that check that out? You seem
Speaker 1: genuinely wow. Okay, that's cool. That's called acting. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you tried it.
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, We'll be right back with
Speaker 2: more too much information after these messages.
Speaker 1: But enough about the prep. Let's get into the shooting
Speaker 1: of The Goonies. When Spielberg stepped away from directing, presumably
Speaker 1: because he had his hands full with Indiana Jones and
Speaker 1: all sorts of other stuff, they brought in director Richard Donner,
Speaker 1: late of the Superman series starring Christopher Reeve, and he
Speaker 1: went on the direct radio Flyer written by the guy
Speaker 1: who wrote the Samlot And as we discussed in a
Speaker 1: previous episode, the Goonies was shot almost entirely on location
Speaker 1: in the town of Astoria, Oregon, though the tunnels and
Speaker 1: the cave with one of Willie's pirate ship were shot
Speaker 1: on sound stages in Burbank, California. The shoot went on
Speaker 1: for five months and was done almost entirely sequentially, which
Speaker 1: is very rare. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: the Goonies is a huge boon for the tourist trade
Speaker 1: in Astoria, a huge goon if you will. They celebrate
Speaker 1: Goonies Day, thank you. They celebrate Goony's Day on June seventh,
Speaker 1: which was the day the film was released in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five. The jail where the Fatellies make their escape
Speaker 1: at the start of the movie is now a film museum,
Speaker 1: appropriately enough, which opened on the twenty fifth anniversary of
Speaker 1: The Goonies release in twenty ten, and contains memorabilia from
Speaker 1: the movie. And this is weird. I didn't know where
Speaker 1: else to put this. The field where the Fatellis restaurant
Speaker 1: hideout is located was used again in the movie Kindergarden Cop.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, and this is really funny. The
Speaker 1: actor who played mister Walsh Mikey and Brand's dad, it's
Speaker 1: a guy named Keith Walker. He was so inspired by
Speaker 1: the scenery of Astoria that he wrote his one and
Speaker 1: only screenplay Free Willie, Free Willy and Free Willy two
Speaker 1: were both filmed in his Historia Electric Booglo. Yeah that
Speaker 1: Free Willy too, Secret of the Ooze, Willy Harder Ye
Speaker 1: never gets a good day to Free Willie.
Speaker 2: Free with Me with a Vengeance. Just all the die
Speaker 2: hard ones are so funny. They filmed Black Stallion there
Speaker 2: as well. There was this whole run of mid to
Speaker 2: mid eighties to early nineties movies filmed in Astoria, Oregon.
Speaker 2: I did not know that beautiful Astoria. Visit Astoria. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll take that money now, Astoria, Oregon Town Council.
Speaker 1: The Walsh family home became something of a local landmark,
Speaker 1: known as the Goonies House. The nice lady who lived
Speaker 1: there spent years giving tours to the fans who'd show
Speaker 1: up on our doorstep from all over the world, sometimes
Speaker 1: up to fifty people a day. But our dear producer
Speaker 1: Mike Johns paid a visit to Astoria a few years
Speaker 1: back and discovered that there's now a sign on the
Speaker 1: property warning off trespassers and gooney fans. Apparently, during the
Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of the Goonies in twenty fifteen, the home
Speaker 1: was descended upon by an army of rowdy fans who
Speaker 1: trampled the grounds, pete in the bushes, and generally wrecked
Speaker 1: the place. This is why we can't have nice things.
Speaker 1: That's what of OSMA. We got to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to our beloved Mike. It's truly criminal that we
Speaker 1: mention and our fictitious producer Jamie more than we do
Speaker 1: our actual colleague and buddy. Mike is not only the
Speaker 1: best friend this show has ever had, but also one
Speaker 1: of the best friends anyone could ask for, makes a
Speaker 1: sound way better than we deserve, and is an incredible musician.
Speaker 1: Go to Mike's YouTube channel and bancamp meaning of everything.
Speaker 1: My personal favorite is this gorgeous tribute to the recently
Speaker 1: departed Loretta Lynn. This amazing shoegaze version of you ain't
Speaker 1: woman enough. Mike. We love you, Sorry, we made you
Speaker 1: listen to us talk about Steely Dan the other day
Speaker 1: for ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: We'll get a Jethro Toall episode in for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah one, Yeah, these days.
Speaker 2: We touched earlier on Steven Spielberg's habit of ghost directing
Speaker 2: to the UH to the consternation of the actual directors.
Speaker 2: I mean The famous one that I remember is Poltergeist
Speaker 2: and Toby Hooper. Yeah, it's so talked about, especially in
Speaker 2: the horror nerd community. But yeah, it got so bad
Speaker 2: that I think Spielberg at one point had to take
Speaker 2: out a Variety. It did take out a Variety ad
Speaker 2: where he was like, I did not co direct this
Speaker 2: movie because I think it was a whole DGA Director's
Speaker 2: Guild issue. But I mean, I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 2: just funny that it is such a running theme with Spielberg.
Speaker 2: In particular, one of Toby Hooper's collaborators, Mick Garris, said
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen that the same thing happened on the
Speaker 2: set of Used Cars to Robert Zemeckis, to the point
Speaker 2: where Kurt Russell told Spielberg I can take direction from
Speaker 2: you or Bob, but not both, and Spielberg backed off,
Speaker 2: which is amazing because I just, yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 2: somebody's going to intimidate Steven Spielberg, it's probably going to
Speaker 2: be eighties Kurt Russell.
Speaker 1: Let's say Escape from New York era Russell.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Richard Donner had known him since he was
Speaker 2: a kid, which probably made all of this backseat directing
Speaker 2: that much more galling. Spielberg got started on shows in
Speaker 2: the early seventies like Marcus Welby and an episode of Colombo.
Speaker 2: I want to see that, And so Donner was kind
Speaker 2: of shepherding him through that. And so despite the fact
Speaker 2: that Spielberg was basically only a producer and had a
Speaker 2: story by credit on the actual log line of the film,
Speaker 2: there are photos of him walking around the set with
Speaker 2: a baseball hat reading head Gooney, and different cast members
Speaker 2: have said that he was Oh, it's awful, it's awful.
Speaker 2: Side note, I love the cottage industry of like film
Speaker 2: crews making like I love film merchandise, like film production.
Speaker 1: Just just for the crew.
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear about the battle that happened on
Speaker 2: the set of Blade Runner?
Speaker 1: No? They.
Speaker 2: Ridley Scott gave this interview famously protracted shoot. Ridley Scott
Speaker 2: gave this interview where he was talking about how much
Speaker 2: he liked working with English crews better than American cruise
Speaker 2: because he said English crews would just say yes, Governor
Speaker 2: and do what he asked. And so all of the
Speaker 2: American crewmen made a series of sarcastic t shirts that
Speaker 2: just said yes Governor. On the back and warn.
Speaker 1: All pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. But yeah, some
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Goonies cast members have basically said that Spielberg was co
Speaker 2: directing this thing. He was shooting the aforementioned pipe banging
Speaker 2: underground pipe banging scene phrasing, and the scene at the
Speaker 2: wishing well where Andy, the rich girl accidentally kisses little Mikey.
Speaker 1: Makes so much sense. I mean, that just looks like
Speaker 1: such a Spielberg scene. This is great, like still photo
Speaker 1: of Mikey and Andy and silhouette and like they look
Speaker 1: like cartoons. They look like Peter Pan and Tinkerbell or
Speaker 1: something like it. All of his childhood stuff really just
Speaker 1: has this kind I mean, no one that we went
Speaker 1: on to do Hook a couple of years later, Like
Speaker 1: there's always like this kind of a little magical element
Speaker 1: with all the child stuff. I mean et obviously this
Speaker 1: scene's great. Sean Aston, who was like thirteen, was super
Speaker 1: pumped to kiss the woman playing Andy Carrie Green, who
Speaker 1: was like seventeen. Carry Green, on the other hand, I
Speaker 1: thought the whole thing was creepy and was worried she
Speaker 1: traumatized this little kid. Yeah, well, seems to be doing fun.
Speaker 2: Set askedonsidered okay, but yeah, this tough set for Donner.
Speaker 2: One of his associates later said, I think it was
Speaker 2: a difficult time because it's very difficult to have a
Speaker 2: producer on the set who's also director, and I think
Speaker 2: Dick allowed Spielberg to shoot a lot of second unit stuff.
Speaker 2: I'd imagine it wasn't the warmest or easiest of collaborations.
Speaker 2: Promotions for this movie made a big deal about Spielberg
Speaker 2: teaming up with Richard Donner, who was still a big
Speaker 2: deal at the time, and there was even a teaser
Speaker 2: trailer for The Goonies that took the letters from its
Speaker 2: title sequence from the famous movies that Spielberg and Donner
Speaker 2: had just been involved with, the g from Gremlins, the
Speaker 2: O from The Omen, the O from Raiders of the
Speaker 2: Lost arc and from Close Encounters, an I from Indiana Jones,
Speaker 2: and the Temple of Doom E from E T and
Speaker 2: the S from Superman, which doesn't have anything to do
Speaker 2: with the movies, but it belongs in the annals of
Speaker 2: great teaser trailers. Surely an annal sum.
Speaker 1: The people pumped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's another thing that's brought into this, which
Speaker 2: was a boatload of James Bond references. Dad's belt you'll notice,
Speaker 2: which has his all of his gadgets has double seven
Speaker 2: inscribed on it.
Speaker 1: And he also in the scene when he's ziplining into
Speaker 1: Mikey's house, he plays the James Bond theme on a
Speaker 1: walkman or something. Spielberg threw that in there in exchange
Speaker 1: for Bond producer Albert Cubby Broccoli using the Close Encounters
Speaker 1: theme in nineteen seventy nine's Moonriker the Bond Movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and funnily enough, four years after Goonies came out,
Speaker 2: Robert Davey, one of the Fertellies, plays the villain not
Speaker 2: the two thousands indie band who will get to later.
Speaker 2: Davey played a villain in the Misbegotten, The red Headed
Speaker 2: step child of the Bond franchise, Timothy Dalton's Licensed to Kill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the less Engling Dan Lendling ding
Speaker 1: Ding Ding Ding that and like late Era Oh Broson,
Speaker 1: Lately Era Broon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of Joey Pants, he loved Joey ban and
Speaker 2: I love it how much you love Joey Pants?
Speaker 1: And yeah, the American legend. This brings us to the
Speaker 1: for Telly Brothers. Robert dave and Joey Pants. What's his
Speaker 1: real name, Joe Pantaliano. Yes, apparently Robert Dave, who's a
Speaker 1: trained opera singer. By the way, that's why he's singing
Speaker 1: Madam Butterfly all the time in the movie. He's supposed
Speaker 1: to be in Rambo two or Rambo First Blood whatever
Speaker 1: the second Rambow was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the second one is confusingly titled First Blood Part two.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, all right, first Blood Part two.
Speaker 1: So he'd gotten in shape for it and was poised
Speaker 1: to fly to the jungle to film. But I guess
Speaker 1: there was a communication snaffoo when he accepted the Goonies
Speaker 1: and they mistakenly recast his part, which made things weird
Speaker 1: between him and his friend Sylvester Stallone for a while.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe he took his frustration out on
Speaker 1: his goony brother, Joey Pants. The two were engaged in
Speaker 1: a fairly high stakes prank war throughout the shoot. At
Speaker 1: one point, Robert Dove nailed Joey's dressing room door shut
Speaker 1: I believe, with him inside, and Joey retaliated this isn't
Speaker 1: as good by stealing his license plate, and I guess
Speaker 1: the director sort of cottoned on to their antagonistic I
Speaker 1: don't know how playful it was, but a relationship, and
Speaker 1: he put the sibling rivalry in the movie. Another instance
Speaker 1: of Robert Dove's aggression coming through was the scene when
Speaker 1: they're making the jail break and they shoot the gasoline,
Speaker 1: which causes it to ignite. They're originally going to light
Speaker 1: a dollar bill and try to throw it on the
Speaker 1: gas line, but Dobby said that it would take too
Speaker 1: long for this piece of paper to land just right,
Speaker 1: just kind of like what happened in Greece when they
Speaker 1: were trying to get Sandy's cigarette to land right in
Speaker 1: her feet, right in front of Danny. So he came
Speaker 1: up with the idea of just shooting it, which I
Speaker 1: don't even know if that actually would cause gasoline to ignite,
Speaker 1: but looks cool. Yeah, it looks really cool. Maybe the
Speaker 1: bullet ricochet's off the ground, Maybe there's a little spark
Speaker 1: that happens there. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ann Ramsey really slapped him in that scene, Robert Goddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm glad we got Ann Ramsey in here,
Speaker 1: because I didn't have any anything about her throw Mama
Speaker 1: from the train. She's so scary. I think that's consciously
Speaker 1: why I didn't. Yeah, I'm still prod of her. Could
Speaker 1: she's still alive?
Speaker 2: She could be, she could be right behind you. No,
Speaker 2: she does in eighty eight? Uh yere after anyway, that
Speaker 2: wasn't a coincidence?
Speaker 1: Is it safe yet?
Speaker 2: Okay, while we're running down the for Telly family, we
Speaker 2: must get to the third for Telly brother, Latany aka Sloth,
Speaker 2: played by former Oakland Raiders star John Matt Tussac, who
Speaker 2: did two stints in the Super Bowl before trying his
Speaker 2: hand at acting. He wears a Raider shirt in the movie,
Speaker 2: which could be considered as just a pirate's joke but
Speaker 2: actually a non to his old team, and then he
Speaker 2: rips that shirt to reveal a Superman shirt under that,
Speaker 2: which is at of course, a nod to Richard Donner,
Speaker 2: who had directed The Superman. Spielberg loves his heastray as
Speaker 2: a running theme that will develop into this I guess.
Speaker 2: Before The Goodies was even filmed. A few years prior,
Speaker 2: Methusac had placed ninth in World's Strongest Man competition, where
Speaker 2: those damn beefy slabs of men like tow trucks and
Speaker 2: expressed tires and he just looks like a it looks
Speaker 2: like animal.
Speaker 1: Mountain, yeah, yes he does, or the mountain.
Speaker 2: From Game of Thrones. Yes, just a large slab of
Speaker 2: a man. The stunt double for Sloth is a guy
Speaker 2: named Randall Winner.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he says, he just said, I don't drink, so
Speaker 2: I would escort John Matusac to all the bars so
Speaker 2: I could get him home. I was the John Wrangler.
Speaker 2: I'd drink Coca cola and make sure he didn't beat
Speaker 2: up the place.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 2: Matusac was a big kid with very few limitations about
Speaker 2: how he conducted himself. He was taking painkillers, and when
Speaker 2: you put a gallon of wine on top of that,
Speaker 2: you have controlling yourself. At times he was like a
Speaker 2: lost child in a lot of ways. Oh but yeah.
Speaker 1: A bit of a partier.
Speaker 2: He died in eighty nine at the age of thirty
Speaker 2: eight accidental prescription drug overdose. Had traces of cocaine in
Speaker 2: his bloodstream. But still a hell of a life, and
Speaker 2: his time in the goonies was checkered. Five hours of
Speaker 2: makeup each day it took to get him into that
Speaker 2: and one of these prosthetic eyes was manually operated by
Speaker 2: remote control. So someone would start a count off camera
Speaker 2: and he would blink his other eye at the appropriate
Speaker 2: time to sync them up. And then for the scenes
Speaker 2: in the pirate ship, all the kids were told him
Speaker 2: not to get wet because this was an electrical rig,
Speaker 2: and they promptly they promptly did any any way, which
Speaker 2: prompted a shooting shutdown of a week. Sluck can't blink,
Speaker 2: I chopping executive. I'm looking at the dailies and sloth
Speaker 2: can clink. Shut it down, Doc Broland's pay. Oh, come
Speaker 2: on you, kiddo, it's Feldman. Yeah, it would have been Felban.
Speaker 2: Bring me that Feldman kid again. I'm gonna carve my
Speaker 2: initials into his chest.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Matt Music had horrific backpain due who's used in the
Speaker 2: NFL and had a tough time actually picking up chunk
Speaker 2: and throwing the people around in the movie. Fun fact,
Speaker 2: the candy bar he eats the movie was supposed to
Speaker 2: be an almond Joy rather than a baby Ruth.
Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact. That's the trivia question I got
Speaker 1: right on our episode of Food Court with Richard Blaze. Uh,
Speaker 1: where I triumph over you for defending milk chocolate? Where
Speaker 1: I handily defeated you in single combat. The novelization of
Speaker 1: this movie, did you did you have this? No?
Speaker 2: Because I know you're a novelization guy.
Speaker 1: A little bit. Not really, No, The only hate you.
Speaker 1: The only reason I had movie novelizations were when I
Speaker 1: was going to elementary school and I wish I could
Speaker 1: be watching a movie, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2: So I would be reading the novelization. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: a big novelization guy. I had a bunch of those.
Speaker 2: I would always just get them at like the like
Speaker 2: half priced bookstore when we were on vacation and just
Speaker 2: read them. I'll tell you the novelization of the movie
Speaker 2: Blade Blade. That book taught me how to curse as
Speaker 2: a child. I had no idea. There were so many
Speaker 2: permutations on the F word. Speaking of improv, do you
Speaker 2: know Wesley Snipes at a table read improv the single
Speaker 2: best line from that movie, which is some mothers always
Speaker 2: trying to ice skate up hill, right before he kills
Speaker 2: the bad guy, Wesley Snipes, blady gentlemen, the friend of
Speaker 2: the pod Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: The novelization of this movie delves deeper into Sloth's life,
Speaker 2: revealing that after the events of the movie, Chunk's parents
Speaker 2: adopt him and throw him a bar mitzvah that is adorable.
Speaker 2: Imagine Sloth reading the torah.
Speaker 1: I'm you're not gonna get ready to do that impression.
Speaker 2: There was also a scene that was storyboarded but never
Speaker 2: shot where Sloth flexes first steph Martha Plimpton's who swoons
Speaker 2: over him, saying, Hunk City.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: The deleted scenes of this movie are so weird. We'll
Speaker 2: get into Garriz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best ones. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The pirate movie that Sloth watches while he's chained up
Speaker 2: in the basement is the nineteen thirty five Errol Flynn
Speaker 2: swashbuckling classic Captain Blood. Dave Gruson, who did the score
Speaker 2: to this, recycled some of the cues from those classic
Speaker 2: movies for this film's score, specifically from Adventures of Don Juan,
Speaker 2: which does star Erl Flynn. Yeah, and it's such a
Speaker 2: cute turn for his character. You know, he's watching the
Speaker 2: Errol Flynn movies and then he gets his h he
Speaker 2: gets in agativity, Yes, while chained in a basement by
Speaker 2: his family, who among us, and then he gets to
Speaker 2: do this pirate ship. He gets a sliding at the end,
Speaker 2: just like Errol Flynn speaking of the set ah the
Speaker 2: Epic Showdown with the Fertelly family aboard one eyed Willie's
Speaker 2: treasure laden pirate chip, the Inferno hidden in a massive cave.
Speaker 2: This was one of the scenes that was filmed on
Speaker 2: stage in California. Required nine hundred thousand gallons of water.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a made up figure, But I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean bit rich considering California has been in like
Speaker 2: a thirty year drought.
Speaker 1: That's uh. When he how Old's goonies, Yeah, that's correlation.
Speaker 2: This was the same set where the water shoot slides
Speaker 2: were used, which dumps them into the water in the
Speaker 2: pirate cave. That was a fully functioning water slide courtesy
Speaker 2: of the Langford Surf Coaster Corporation. Anyway, anybody they do
Speaker 2: anything else whatever. Richard Donner later said that he and
Speaker 2: the crew would sneak off after a busy day of
Speaker 2: filming to ride those water slides, which is adorable, along
Speaker 2: with friend of the Pod Harrison Ford. Once stopped by
Speaker 2: the set and according to Corey Feldman, was climbing around
Speaker 2: the caves with all the kids.
Speaker 1: This is like the one moment of joy Richard Donner had,
Speaker 1: after all, after fourteen hour days of being tortured by
Speaker 1: Corey Feldman, chose filling up to him coming up some
Speaker 1: weird talking about his thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard Donner just pours himself many martinis and rides
Speaker 2: the water water slide. That ship was real and had
Speaker 2: been built especially for the production over the course of
Speaker 2: only two and a half months.
Speaker 1: That's insane movie magic. Yeah, or one hundred five people.
Speaker 1: One hundred and five well, yeah, one hundred and five. Well,
Speaker 1: today they would have just done CGI.
Speaker 2: At least the prop people were union, so they would
Speaker 2: He's making okay money. Fun fact, folks, always remember when
Speaker 2: you're watching these CGI monstrosities that those are not union jobs,
Speaker 2: and that is why they are constantly being favored as
Speaker 2: opposed to practical effects, makeup and wardrobe. Anyway, all one
Speaker 2: hundred and five feet of that ship were designed to
Speaker 2: resemble Errol Flynn's ship from the film The Seahawk. Some
Speaker 2: of that rigging was recycled from the Pirates of the
Speaker 2: Caribbean ship at Disneyland, which was being renovated at the time.
Speaker 2: The sails on that ship required over seven thousand square
Speaker 2: feet of material. The largest one of them was sixty
Speaker 2: by thirty and you can spot R two D two
Speaker 2: scrolled away in there, because once again Spielberg loves his
Speaker 2: little Easter eggs.
Speaker 1: In order to get an authentically overwhelmed reaction from the cast,
Speaker 1: Richard Donner forbade the kids from seeing the ship before
Speaker 1: they shot the scene, and was constructed on another set
Speaker 1: and was hidden behind a very gigantic tarp I imagine.
Speaker 1: Donner later said, the day we were gonna film them
Speaker 1: first seeing it, we backed them all into the water
Speaker 1: and set the cameras on action. They knew what they
Speaker 1: were going to see, but they didn't know what it
Speaker 1: was going to look like. I love this. During some
Speaker 1: Gooni's event with Richard Donner in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: Corey Feldman claimed that he snuck onto the ship while
Speaker 1: it was being built, and a visible annoyed Richard Donner
Speaker 1: just tried to shrug off these claims. For Donner felt
Speaker 1: like fifteen years later, Corey Selman still making his life
Speaker 1: a living hell being haunted by Corey Feldman, And for
Speaker 1: the most part, for these kids, seeing the ship for
Speaker 1: the first time as a really emotional moment, and Martha
Speaker 1: Plimpton later said she almost started to cry, and Sean
Speaker 1: Aston's mouth just dropped open, and he remembered thinking, the
Speaker 1: whole adventure we'd gone through had a happy ending. The ship.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because they filmed it sequentially, filmed it order
Speaker 1: right exactly. I love it too much, but the whole
Speaker 1: thing sort of backfired. Josh Brolin was so shocked he
Speaker 1: apparently let an S bomb slip, which supposedly required the
Speaker 1: scene to be shot again. Maybe just the master shot.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure because I think some
Speaker 1: of those close ups of them reacting to it are
Speaker 1: authentic first, you know, first reactions. I've seen multiple explanations
Speaker 1: for this. I prefer to think that some of the
Speaker 1: close up reactions for that are real. The swearing in
Speaker 1: this movie is really funny for a PG movie. The
Speaker 1: S word and its variations are used twenty times throughout
Speaker 1: this movie, and in order to skirt a harsher rating,
Speaker 1: the profanity was strategically placed that it could be drowned
Speaker 1: out by background noise like police sirens or running water,
Speaker 1: or just the film's score during TV broadcasts, and it
Speaker 1: was also edited in a really specific way so that
Speaker 1: all you had to do was trim the first or
Speaker 1: last few seconds of a scene to lose the swear word,
Speaker 1: which is very clever. You may notice that in the
Speaker 1: scene where rocks are falling from the cave ceiling, Data screams,
Speaker 1: holy shit. He spelled it out because his mother made
Speaker 1: him promise not to use any bad words in the movie,
Speaker 1: which is adorable. This brings us to my favorite segment
Speaker 1: of this show. It belongs in a museum, probably the
Speaker 1: biggest instance of it belongs to the museum that we've
Speaker 1: ever had. The one hundred and five foot Inferno ship
Speaker 1: would have made an absolutely incredible tourist to try. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: no one had the foresight or the money to make
Speaker 1: this reality. No one wanted this pirate ship after the shoot,
Speaker 1: so it was destroyed, that beautiful pirate ship. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that breaks my heart. But yeah, right, I know, you
Speaker 1: think that we could just save it to use. I
Speaker 1: guess there aren't that many movies that require, you know,
Speaker 1: waten pirate ships. But you'd think that it would be
Speaker 1: handy to have around on a back lot somewhere. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess not. But there's another treasure from the Goonies
Speaker 1: which has gone missing. For a far more frustrating reason.
Speaker 1: The map to One Eyed Willie's Treasure Map is so badass.
Speaker 1: It comes to us courtesy of production designer J. Michael Reva,
Speaker 1: who I believe is also responsible for the ship as well.
Speaker 1: He put his sweat and blood into this map. Literally
Speaker 1: the night before he was due to drop it off,
Speaker 1: he came to the conclusion that it looked too new.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be three hundred years old, so
Speaker 1: he set about trying to age it in his hotel room,
Speaker 1: pouring coffee onto it, you know that old trick, and
Speaker 1: even cutting his finger to drip his own blood around
Speaker 1: the edges, which I don't even I don't you know
Speaker 1: that the coffee or tea trick to age paper. I
Speaker 1: mean that not heard smear and blood around groper. Yeah, violation, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very much. So he later said, you do these crazy things.
Speaker 1: You get so into it, and it worked. You look
Speaker 1: at the map and it looks like an old map
Speaker 1: that's seen many years in battles, So that's uh gross map.
Speaker 1: The map was given to Sean Aston Mikey, who treasured
Speaker 1: it for many years until his mother, Patty Duke, came
Speaker 1: across it in his room and threw it away thinking
Speaker 1: it was an old scrap of paper that hurts a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, spent almost cancels out valley of the dolls.
Speaker 2: Speaking of OSHA violations, there is at least one yew
Speaker 2: that has been lovingly preserved for posterity, the skull of
Speaker 2: One Eyed Willie. Richard Dawner kept that on display and
Speaker 2: a stand in his home next to a model of
Speaker 2: the Inferno Pirate ship until his death last year. We
Speaker 2: don't know where it is right now, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume that it's got to be well
Speaker 1: accounted estate somewhere. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: According to a website dedicated to the film Goonies, it
Speaker 2: was mentioned on the cast list that the skeleton of
Speaker 2: One Eyed Willie was played by.
Speaker 1: Real Well, well, you're bearing the lead here. It's a
Speaker 1: real skull.
Speaker 2: It's a real skull belonged supposedly to a guy named
Speaker 2: Raoul Wu who died from lead poisoning. I have been
Speaker 2: not been able to track down anymore on that. Why
Speaker 2: would you want a lead poisoned skull on the set
Speaker 2: of your children's movie?
Speaker 1: Why would you want a real skull at all?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, an actor prepares there's a scene with
Speaker 2: storyboarding but never shot, where Mikey and Andy find one
Speaker 2: eyed Willie with daggers in the eye sockets and Andy
Speaker 2: has to pull them out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of auction materials, Jordan, Yes, As a point of fact,
Speaker 1: the Lou Garrig baseball card that Mikey finds elm Chester
Speaker 1: Copperpott's body is worth two hundred and seventy five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars at auction in mint condition. And according to international
Speaker 1: maritime salvage law, rights to salvage a vessel and its
Speaker 1: contents go to the person or persons who first successfully
Speaker 1: brings something off the vessel in question. In this case,
Speaker 1: this is Mikey who brought the jewels off the ship,
Speaker 1: so legally the inferno and everything on it belongs to him,
Speaker 1: including one on Lilly's body.
Speaker 2: Surely, the first time we have ever cited international merit
Speaker 2: time law on.
Speaker 1: This is episode sixty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised it took that long too.
Speaker 1: On it if we were coming up on about probably
Speaker 1: roughly three straight days of us talking at each other,
Speaker 1: and I'm amazed it took that long for that to
Speaker 1: come up. Yeah, we're going to take a quick break
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more too much information
Speaker 1: in just a moment. And this brings us to the
Speaker 1: end of the movie. And you'll notice at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, Data, when he gets to the beach
Speaker 1: talking to a group of reporters, says the octopus was
Speaker 1: very scary. I always thought this was just the kids
Speaker 1: telling tall tales, even though Data is probably the most
Speaker 1: trustworthy of the bunch. I don't know, maybe Mikey too.
Speaker 1: But this line actually refers to a deleted scene that
Speaker 1: involves Steph and Mouth, Martha Plimpton, and Corey Feldman getting
Speaker 1: attacked by an octopus after they try to flee one
Speaker 1: i'd Willy's ship. And since this is pre CGI, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, this all had to be practical effects, so
Speaker 1: they built a thirty two foot octopus. But unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: general consensus was that the octopus looked kind of goofy
Speaker 1: and basically too to be considered scary. For what was
Speaker 1: the climax of the movie, Sean asked them. Put it bluntly,
Speaker 1: the octopus always sucked. But the octopus featured prominently in
Speaker 1: the promo campaign for the movie. It appeared in trading
Speaker 1: cars that were made as toys. It also appeared in
Speaker 1: the video for the Cyndi Lapper song Goonies Are Good Enough,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a moment, And there was
Speaker 1: also a song on the soundtrack called eight Arms to
Speaker 1: Hold You by the goon Squad, and the filmmakers were
Speaker 1: convinced this song was gonna be a huge hit, so
Speaker 1: they pressed it as a twelve inch dance single, but
Speaker 1: it sold miserably and is apparently one of the rarest
Speaker 1: most valuable Goony related items out there. So if you
Speaker 1: have a copy of eight Arms to Hold You by
Speaker 1: the goon Squad on twelve inch, hold on to it.
Speaker 1: Also a point of fact, eight Arms to Hold You
Speaker 1: is the working title of the Beatles second movie Help
Speaker 1: Know That? So like a gang Bang scenario. No, it's
Speaker 1: one of the statue of the I believe fake Indian
Speaker 1: god Kayli with the eight arms coming off of it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure that's a weird movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is very much so. Yeah. So. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of scenes from The Goonies that were cut
Speaker 1: from the theatrical release but reinstated for cable broadcasts, where
Speaker 1: scenes that have been deemed inappropriate for broadcasts were cut
Speaker 1: and they needed to make up the running time, so
Speaker 1: they put these previously deleted scenes back in, which is
Speaker 1: really interesting, kind of weird. I'm not totally sure if
Speaker 1: the octopus scene is one of them that made it
Speaker 1: onto the TV broadcasts. I've heard some accounts that it
Speaker 1: did make it onto TV airings, but there's another scene
Speaker 1: earlier in the movie that definitely did. It's when the
Speaker 1: Goonies stop at a convenience store early in their adventure.
Speaker 1: Mikey compares his treasure map to a modern map. Chunk
Speaker 1: buys junk food, and probably most crucially to the plot
Speaker 1: is the scene where the Goonies meet steph Andy and
Speaker 1: the rich bully Troy for the first time. I think
Speaker 1: Troy's dad is the one that's trying to destroy the
Speaker 1: Goonies home and make a golf course or something out
Speaker 1: of it. Troy threatens to use the treasure map as
Speaker 1: a rolling paper and light it up. Brand shows up
Speaker 1: to defend his little brother Mikey, and then it cuts
Speaker 1: the Brand riding his bike home when try pulls up
Speaker 1: alongside him in his Mustang and tries to run him
Speaker 1: off the road. Remember he holds onto his hand when
Speaker 1: he's on his bike and like runs him to the
Speaker 1: edge of the cliff and just like sends them all. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty freaky. So that whole scene makes a lot
Speaker 1: more sense that they just had like a fight earlier
Speaker 1: on in the you know, in the day, because otherwise,
Speaker 1: just out of context, it seems like a pretty aggressive
Speaker 1: thing for somebody to do that we've not really seen
Speaker 1: in the movie before. That's to kill him for no reason.
Speaker 2: Now we must come to a segment we like to
Speaker 2: call monkey business. That's that's hey, that's I got nothing. Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: they have a monkey. Yes, they're not monkeys, though garulas
Speaker 2: are apes of a bitch. We threw this whole conceit off.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, yeah, there was a whole subplot in
Speaker 1: The Goonies involving escaped gorillas that Spielberg insisted on being
Speaker 1: in there. I love this so much. There were a
Speaker 1: few scenes that were left on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 1: One of the goonies protested against the demolition of their neighborhood,
Speaker 1: and another word Data tries out a gadget called the Intimidator,
Speaker 1: which puffs air into his shirt to make him look muscular,
Speaker 1: not unlike a pufferfish, but the most bizarre, easily was
Speaker 1: this whole elaborate subplot involving two gorillas who'd escaped from
Speaker 1: a zoo. This was scripted, this was storyboard, and this
Speaker 1: was even shot. This is one of Spielberg's ideas, and
Speaker 1: he loved it so much he insisted on it, even
Speaker 1: going so far as directing the sequences himself, to the
Speaker 1: apparent chagrin of actual director Richard Donner. It begins when
Speaker 1: the goonies are underground, signaling for help by banging on
Speaker 1: the underground pipes. We've talked about the scene a few times.
Speaker 1: This sets off a chain of chaotic events in town,
Speaker 1: and one of them was going to be that these
Speaker 1: two gorillas, Bonzo and Bertha, gap from a local zoo,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to run am uck through the
Speaker 1: town for the rest of the movie, hijacking a golf
Speaker 1: cart and then later stealing Troy's red Mustang and embarking
Speaker 1: on a French Connection style car chase with stunt drivers.
Speaker 1: It was just gonna be this random element that would
Speaker 1: keep popping up through the rest of the movie, and
Speaker 1: Spielberg was so enthusiastic about the subplot that Donner was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what about how did you direct it yourself?
Speaker 1: So he did. It's like really complex, probably very expensive
Speaker 1: series of scenes.
Speaker 2: I just found this thing from Willamette Week, which is
Speaker 2: I believe, an Oregon publication talking about the Ape Seed. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like an oral history of it filming in Astoria
Speaker 2: with a bunch of local residents. Quoted Dave Johnson, a
Speaker 2: retired Astoria Police Department officer, had this to say about
Speaker 2: the gorilla scene, which is hilarious. There were two gorillas
Speaker 2: in a Mustang convertible. They wrecked a brand new car,
Speaker 2: but it was never part of the movie.
Speaker 1: There was a part. There was a part on the dock.
Speaker 1: It's like in the French Could when they actually crashed
Speaker 1: into a real car. He says.
Speaker 2: There is a part in the dock during the big
Speaker 2: car chase. They were supposed to come flying down the dock.
Speaker 2: One police car was supposed to go through the railing
Speaker 2: and landed a boat. Somebody screwed up and the jeep
Speaker 2: that they were driving a rental they had gotten in
Speaker 2: Portland that they weren't supposed to mess up. Someone mistimed
Speaker 2: it and the police car hit the back of it.
Speaker 2: The police car landed on the boat where it was
Speaker 2: supposed to go, Donner goes, somebody get me a car.
Speaker 2: I gotta go fire somebody. So the ape scene. Spielberg's
Speaker 2: insistence on this gorilla chase scene cost someone their job
Speaker 2: when a stunt involving a police car went awry.
Speaker 1: For those of us who've never seen Richard Donner, just
Speaker 1: what actor would you get to play him? How would
Speaker 1: you summ up that that pissed off, exhausted energy. Yeah
Speaker 1: like that, I'm the idiot crash on the runway. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that seems about right. But this was all cut
Speaker 1: supposedly because Richard Donner reshot the ending of the movie,
Speaker 1: and Christopher Clumps's original script had the film end at
Speaker 1: Mikey's house, the Walsh House, where Rosalita, the maid would
Speaker 1: find the bag of jewels that Mikey had taken off
Speaker 1: the ship while doing the laundry, thus providing the family
Speaker 1: with the cash to save their house and save their neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And then the gorillas We're gonna show up, And then
Speaker 1: the gorillas show up, and the shopping executive, Hey, the
Speaker 1: gorillas show up at the Walsh House as they're all celebrating,
Speaker 1: and then they're finally apprehended by the cops and taken
Speaker 1: back to the zoo. None of this has anything to
Speaker 1: do with the plot of the movie at all. Spielberg
Speaker 1: just loved it. But yeah, I just apes on the loose,
Speaker 1: I guess. But Richard Donner, he just felt that this
Speaker 1: scene at the house felt like such a small ending
Speaker 1: to such a you know, an epic movie. They just
Speaker 1: had an Errol Flynn's style swashbuckling fight on a pirate ship,
Speaker 1: and now they're in this kind of rundown house. But
Speaker 1: Donner wanted to be able to see the pirate ships
Speaker 1: sail away at the end of the movie, so we
Speaker 1: decided to reshoot the ending at in Cola State Park
Speaker 1: by Haystack Rock, that very distinctive rock formation, and you
Speaker 1: get that epic shot of one eyed Willie's pirate ships
Speaker 1: sailing away. Funnily enough, in the ending, some of the
Speaker 1: parents of the Goonies of their parents in real life.
Speaker 1: I think Chuck's parents are in that scene, and Richard
Speaker 1: Donner actually shows up as a cameo and an ATV.
Speaker 1: So there you go. You will be able to get
Speaker 1: to see if Donna. If you watch The Goonies so
Speaker 1: you got Donner, but there's no gorillas rolling into the ending.
Speaker 1: The official reason that this whole gorilla subplot was cut
Speaker 1: was because it lost its conclusion when they reshot the
Speaker 1: ending at the beach. I don't know if they just
Speaker 1: deemed it too expensive to get all those stunt drivers
Speaker 1: back or what you know, could have the gorillas just
Speaker 1: show up on the beach. I guess, but Dnner acxd it.
Speaker 1: I have a funny feeling he was just looking for
Speaker 1: an excuse to get rid of it.
Speaker 2: We just pan away and there's two gorillas like sit
Speaker 2: in there, arm in arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And these Spielberg directed gorilla sequences have never been
Speaker 1: seen in full. There have been a few behind the
Speaker 1: scenes photos that have surfaced in recent years, and a
Speaker 1: rough work print of part of one of the car
Speaker 1: chase scenes, but other than that, it remains in Spielberg's
Speaker 1: vault of special things. It's just the scene from Raiders.
Speaker 2: Now we must talk about my beloved Cindy Laupper and
Speaker 2: a song.
Speaker 1: Oh I love Cydey Lapper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a whole sidebar and I didn't even
Speaker 2: get to write in here, but I'm going to talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Which is the professional wrestling.
Speaker 2: Tie in Goonies Are Good Enough, the theme song to
Speaker 2: the Goonies. Cindy was asked by Spielberg directly and she
Speaker 2: agreed to do a twelve minute, two part music video
Speaker 2: for the song, which includes a cameo from Spuberg along
Speaker 2: with a who's who of professional wrestling. At the time,
Speaker 2: Sidney Lauper had such a connection to eighties wrestling culture
Speaker 2: it rules. She met Captain Lou Albano, who a wrestling
Speaker 2: personality manager, on a plane from Puerto Rico, and when
Speaker 2: it came time to shoot the Girls Just Want to
Speaker 2: Have Fun video, she wanted to put him in there
Speaker 2: and this led to like a long standing association with it.
Speaker 2: She was basically invited onto to do WWF promotions. And
Speaker 2: I didn't know this, but because of that, and because
Speaker 2: she was such an MTV star, there was this whole
Speaker 2: synergy between MTV and professional wrestling. At the time, MTV
Speaker 2: broadcast the first live wrestling match on cable television, and
Speaker 2: at Cindy Lauper's behest, the first live professional wrestling match
Speaker 2: between women, Wow Yeah, and with Andy Kaufman. Sadly, sadly
Speaker 2: no anyway, Corey Feldman was a massive Cyndi Lapper fan,
Speaker 2: and he was super prompted that she was doing a
Speaker 2: song for this until he heard it, subsequently saying it
Speaker 2: was terrible, the worst song I've ever heard Cindy Lauper do,
Speaker 2: but it went to number one, even though she has
Speaker 2: also said it was not a particular favorite of hers.
Speaker 2: She didn't play it live for over twenty years. Eventually
Speaker 2: debuted and her True Colors tour in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Apparently in her autobiography, she talks about a meeting she
Speaker 2: had with Steven Spielberg to discuss their ideas for the
Speaker 2: music video for this, and at one point she told
Speaker 2: him his ideas were not very creative, which ended the
Speaker 2: subsequently ended the meeting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she pushed to have the Bengals on the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: That was again at her behest and Oscar and Grammy
Speaker 1: winning composer Dave Gruson his original score for this was
Speaker 1: just not issued for very many years, but the cue
Speaker 1: that he wrote for Telly Chase has just popped up
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different movie trailers, including Inner Space,
Speaker 1: the Steven Spielberg produced movie, so that for a while
Speaker 1: you could just hear that part of the score in
Speaker 1: movie trailers, which is so funny because it's kind of
Speaker 1: like how Clint Mansell and Kronos Quartet wrote this piece
Speaker 1: for rock Raem for a dream Ah which is called
Speaker 1: I Think lux E Turna and it just got this
Speaker 1: second life of its own.
Speaker 2: You would just see it. It was in like the
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings trailer and like you would just
Speaker 2: see it get popped up, completely divorced of its context
Speaker 2: as like I just go to trailer music. I always
Speaker 2: just love that.
Speaker 1: That's so funny to me.
Speaker 2: Speaking the Fortellies speak of music.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for me, the best part of the Goonies
Speaker 1: musical legacy is that inspire the name for the mid
Speaker 1: two thousand Scottish rock band the Fortellies, the song Chelsea Dagger,
Speaker 1: that song whips and also whistle for the choir. It's
Speaker 1: a great song. Shout out to my friend Katie if
Speaker 1: she's listening. She loved that song. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: personal shout outs in this one. Yeah, this brings us
Speaker 1: to the rest, rest and the rest. Let's go to
Speaker 1: the box office stats. The Goonies was released in June
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five and initially trailed behind Rambo Forest Blood
Speaker 1: Part two at the box office, which must have pissed
Speaker 1: Robert Dovey off to no end. That's the movie that
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be in. Also, it ultimately made
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four million dollars on a nineteen
Speaker 1: million dollar budget, making it the ninth highest grossing movie
Speaker 1: of the year. Critics' responses were largely positive. Robert or Ebert,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I do know why we're
Speaker 1: going for him. He's Roger Ebert, but he had a
Speaker 1: great review. It's a fantastical story of buried pirate treasure,
Speaker 1: told with a slice of life approach that lets these
Speaker 1: kids use words Bogart didn't know in Casablanca. What a phrase? Oh.
Speaker 1: Over the years, various sequels and spinoffs have been proposed,
Speaker 1: including an idea for our Cartoon Network series that would
Speaker 1: have seen Corey Feldman reprize the role of Mouth. I
Speaker 1: think that one stayed on the on the old development
Speaker 1: slate of of all the characters to base the spinoff
Speaker 1: around all right. In two thousand and seven, a musical
Speaker 1: adaptation was proposed, but even though Spielberg and Donner discussed it,
Speaker 1: project went nowhere. Like a Broadway show that could have
Speaker 1: been cool, So okay cool quotes. In February twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: Sarah Wattson, the creator of the show The Bold Type,
Speaker 1: began work on a pilot drama series in which a
Speaker 1: woman helps film students create a shot for shot remake
Speaker 1: of The Goonies. I don't know anything more about that.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating to me. I like really really specific shows
Speaker 1: like that. It's a plot of b kind rewind. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's true video store employees.
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 1: In interviews for years, Sean Astins insisted that a Gooney
Speaker 1: sequel was an absolute certainty, just a question of when
Speaker 1: there's an IMDb page for Goonies two that slated for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, which is hell of a long way off.
Speaker 1: The possibility of a sequel began circulating sometime around the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, when and Gooney's director Richard Donner and
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg were on board for a story, but Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers apparently wasn't interested in a sequel, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that many of the original stars had expressed interest in
Speaker 1: appearing in it. I mean, as much as I'm kind
Speaker 1: of opposed to doing later era sequels, of beloved movies.
Speaker 1: It seems like kind of a miss at least curious. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like not quite long enough for it to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent definitely terrible if it was what sixteen
Speaker 1: years later, Like, I'm curious how that would have gone,
Speaker 1: but never came together, and I guess. Corey Felman and
Speaker 1: Shawn Aston later pitched their own sequel idea in apparently
Speaker 1: as late as twenty nineteen, but never came to fruition
Speaker 1: due to a combination of high budget requirements and the
Speaker 1: cast and crew's inability to come to a consensus about
Speaker 1: a story, and then Richard Donner's death in July twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one almost certainly put an end to the dream
Speaker 1: of a Goony sequel or a nightmare. Corey Felerman more
Speaker 1: or less said as much in August of this year
Speaker 1: that it's probably not going to happen, and he, for one,
Speaker 1: is sort of glad because sequels ruin everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quantica that in April, saying I feel like, after
Speaker 2: Donner's passing, I'm kind of at peace with leaving that
Speaker 2: movie alone now, even though I want Gooney's to two
Speaker 2: to happen, I'm kind of at a place where I
Speaker 2: think it should just be the way it is.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't mess with it. Agreed.
Speaker 2: There's just a tremendous story that comes out of the
Speaker 2: end of this shoot, even.
Speaker 1: The perfect way to end. I love this.
Speaker 2: Poor Richard Donner, I mean, had to watch his former
Speaker 2: protege become a much larger director than him and possibly
Speaker 2: take over his shoot. He was stressed out constantly by
Speaker 2: dealing with children. His quote in the making of documentary is,
Speaker 2: I think the most unique thing about working with this
Speaker 2: many kids is that every night I'm contemplating suicide. It
Speaker 2: is the most difficult thing I've ever thought I was
Speaker 2: going to get into.
Speaker 1: Did you watch this clip? Like there's no humor in
Speaker 1: his face as he says this.
Speaker 2: But so by the time the shoot was over, Donner
Speaker 2: was just thrilled to get back. He couldn't wait to
Speaker 2: get back to his home in Maui and Hawaii and
Speaker 2: just relax without a bunch of children around. But Spielberg,
Speaker 2: that son of a bitch, wouldn't let this happen. For
Speaker 2: the last week of the shoot, Donner had noticed that
Speaker 2: the kids were acting a little cold, little standoffish towards him,
Speaker 2: and they had been shooting for five months for this,
Speaker 2: you know, so they'd become very close and this freaked
Speaker 2: him out a little bit, so he tries to put
Speaker 2: it out of his mind, flies back to Maui, where
Speaker 2: he runs into some neighbor who has this excuse to
Speaker 2: keep him out of the house all day, Eron's or something.
Speaker 2: And by the time he finally gets back to his house,
Speaker 2: the entire cast of the Goonies, along with all of
Speaker 2: their spouses and partners, are hanging out at his house,
Speaker 2: having come directly from the airport, luggage and all. Spielberg
Speaker 2: flew them all down there for a rap party barbecue,
Speaker 2: and Donner's other neighbor, Alice Cooper, came by to party
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: There was a film crew on hand as well to
Speaker 2: film all of this. Uh And according to the documentary
Speaker 2: The Unauthorized Story of the Goonies, things got a little
Speaker 2: too out of hand for this to be included on
Speaker 2: the special features of a rated PGE movie. But it's
Speaker 2: out there somewhere, folks. If you can, if you can
Speaker 2: get it, mo.
Speaker 1: You five bucks this time, will mo you? Well? To
Speaker 1: close out, I'd like to read a section from another
Speaker 1: deleted scene in this movie where Andy and Steph take
Speaker 1: the sacred Gooney oath. Never made it in the movie,
Speaker 1: but uh I personally said this oath before we started taping.
Speaker 1: So I'm already a goony. But higel, if you'd be
Speaker 1: so kind as a repeat after me and anyone else
Speaker 1: listening at home, please feel free to follow along repeat
Speaker 1: as well. I will never betray my goondock friends. I
Speaker 1: will never betray my goondock friends. We will stick together
Speaker 1: until the whole world ends. We will stick together until
Speaker 1: the whole world ends, through heaven and hell and newular war,
Speaker 1: through heaven and hell and nuclear war. Good pals like
Speaker 1: us will stick like tar. Good POWs like us will
Speaker 1: stick like tar. Doesn't rhyme, but okay, in the city
Speaker 1: or the country, or the forest or the boonies.
Speaker 2: In the city or the country, or the forest or
Speaker 2: the boonies.
Speaker 1: I am proudly declared a fellow gooney.
Speaker 2: I am proudly declared a fellow gooney.
Speaker 1: Congratulations side, congratulations to all of you at on. Well,
Speaker 1: Goonies never say die, so we'll just say until next time.
Speaker 1: This has been too much information. My name is Jordan
Speaker 1: Runtalg and.
Speaker 2: I'm Alex Iigel and until that one last gooney weekend,
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.
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