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Speaker 1: is a guess, but I think Trump is right now

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Speaker 1: terrified that his property manager, Carlos de Olivera is about

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Speaker 1: to flip. Trump freaked out again last night on social

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Speaker 1: media about Jack Smith and the documents and Hillary emails

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Speaker 1: the last time he did stuff like that, I told

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Speaker 1: you something is going on at the grand jury, but

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Speaker 1: I'll be damned if I know what. And hours later

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Speaker 1: there was a superseding indictment on the documents. So with

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Speaker 1: that context, let me say this again, something is going

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Speaker 1: on at the grand jury. Because Trump may not have

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Speaker 1: many human traits, but he is really good on exhibiting

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Speaker 1: cause and effect. And this freakout has to have something

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Speaker 1: to do with either or both of these developments. At

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Speaker 1: ten thirty this morning at the James Lawrence King Federal

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Speaker 1: Justice Building in Miami Courtroom five before Magistrate Judge Edwin G. Torres,

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Speaker 1: we were to see Present himself for his first appearance.

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Speaker 1: Who else but Trump's newest co defendant is Marri Lago

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Speaker 1: property manager and former valet, Carlos the Olivera, the guy

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Speaker 1: destruction of evidence and obstruction case quote the boss wants

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Speaker 1: the server deleted. And if the Trump freakout does not

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Speaker 1: owe to that indictment hearing and the prospect that not

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Speaker 1: everybody is as dumb as Walt Naude, and that a

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Speaker 1: year ago Trump was not sure this de Olivera wasn't

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Speaker 1: fact that clearly Trump's Marilago it guy, you sealed Taveras

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Speaker 1: mentioned it here Friday. Employee four was the it guy,

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Speaker 1: and he's the one di Olivia went to in hopes

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Speaker 1: supposed to do, by the way, And the it guy

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Speaker 1: is you sealed Tavers. And if Carlos de Olivera was

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Speaker 1: have to be miss Cleo the psychic to guess which

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Speaker 1: one of them had flipped. You picked a fine time

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Speaker 1: to leave me, you seal. But over the weekend CNN

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Speaker 1: and The Washington Post, if you had any remaining doubts,

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Speaker 1: put the details together, and it's clear that after Trump

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Speaker 1: and Nauta were indicted in June, Jack Smith's team figured

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Speaker 1: out that the it guy Taveres knew more than he

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Speaker 1: as the Post put it in amazingly prosaic terms, quote,

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Speaker 1: after Trump and Nauta were indicted in June, Tavers decided

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Speaker 1: his conversations with di Olivia. Unquote you think quote Taveres

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Speaker 1: offered information implicating all three defendants in alleged conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: Trump has been worried about de Oliviera flipping for a year.

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Speaker 1: And if he does flip, that would leave two of

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Speaker 1: the four conspirators to destroy evidence, two guys with no

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Speaker 1: political acts to grind and nothing but previous records of

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Speaker 1: utter loyalty to this slug Trump. Those two guys testifying

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Speaker 1: against Trump and Walt Nauda, and boy, oh boy, at

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Speaker 1: that point, the pressure on Walt Nauda becomes almost unbearable.

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Speaker 1: And if Nauda flips on Trump. That's the ballgame if

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Speaker 1: the damn case ever gets to trial. And oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, we are still waiting for the January sixth indictments,

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Speaker 1: if anybody still remembers that far back to when was

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Speaker 1: that again? Last Thursday, the weekend's other news, the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post report that Trump's Save America pack was to disclose

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Speaker 1: to the authorities today that it has spent forty million,

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Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars not on its purpose campaigning, but

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Speaker 1: unintentional alternative to actually prosecuting Trump, just drown him in

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Speaker 1: bills from attorneys. It is so bad that the New

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Speaker 1: If you can't really drive Trump to a plea deal

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Speaker 1: least this serves to explain his campaign's newest catechism, wherein

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Speaker 1: Trump gets up and says, I am being indicted for you.

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Speaker 1: me pay for it. This also explains the targets of

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Speaker 1: Trump's latest rages Republicans in the House and Senate. At

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Speaker 1: his rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, he raised the stakes of

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Speaker 1: Any Republican, he said, that does not act on democratic fraud,

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Speaker 1: know why Senate Republicans weren't doing anything to stop Jack Smith. This,

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Speaker 1: of course, is known colloquially as blackmail, and central to

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Speaker 1: the bidding of the Godfather, or you are an enemy,

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Speaker 1: and the omerta will be directed at you. Every authoritarian

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Speaker 1: previously loyal minions will decide they have had too much

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Speaker 1: do is to fabricate more investigations against Joe Biden and

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Speaker 1: his family and anybody else they can think of. The

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Speaker 1: rest of his rally quote was the Republicans are very

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Speaker 1: high class. You've got to get a little bit lower class.

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Speaker 1: Well he's wrong about that, obviously, but moving on for now,

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Speaker 1: Trump is still Anthony Fremont from that make your Skin

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Speaker 1: Crawl episode of The Twilight Zone It's a Good Life.

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Speaker 1: He is the kid played by the actor Billy Moomey

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Speaker 1: who has godlike powers and has either isolated his hometown Peaksville, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: And you have to keep happy thoughts because otherwise Anthony

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Speaker 1: And one of the few remaining adults in this TV play,

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Speaker 1: Dan Hollis has a birthday party, and he gets drunk

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Speaker 1: sure which one of the Republicans who has tried to

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham. But the one theory among the still see

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Speaker 1: And every once in a while there is a moment

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Speaker 1: another such moment. I think Chris Christy has been beating

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Speaker 1: may be hypocritical, it may be eight years too late.

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Speaker 1: None of these truths means it can't still be enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: Asa Hutchinson again said yesterday. Trump must stop attacking the

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Speaker 2: One of the things when you are elected leaders for

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Speaker 2: them to tell the truth, even if it's unpopular. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is not running for president and make America great again.

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Speaker 2: people that voted for him in twenty sixteen. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is running to stay out of prison.

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Speaker 1: And if we elect.

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Speaker 2: I know I know, I know, I know, I know. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I know the truth. The truth is hard. But if

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Speaker 2: four more years in the White House, and America can't

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Speaker 1: Mister Hurd has not been turned into a jack in

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Speaker 1: the box yet. Mister Hurd has received a donation one

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it comes out unintentionally. The Right Side Broadcasting Network,

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Speaker 1: the McNeil Lair News Hour carried Trump's rally in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: Right Side Broadcasting basically interviewed everybody waiting to get into

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Speaker 1: and he never heard what the interviewee says. Hi you

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Speaker 3: to wear. That's where we are. I never heard that said,

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Speaker 3: Later this man Alvarez said, quote, all I know is

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Speaker 1: lunatic Kanye West and gave Kanye West a verification badge,

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Speaker 1: claiming that his handle Yee yay Yee, is West's brand logo.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm genuinely confused. I thought the Nazi swastika was

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Speaker 1: Kanye West's brand logo. Elon Musk gotta be brain damaged.

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Speaker 1: Two days wist pleason. Ain't the world just ahead? I

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Speaker 1: need to correct a mistake I made here, and that,

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Speaker 1: in turn reminded me of yet another story from the

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Speaker 1: annals of MSNBC. Talk about mistakes. This one is from

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Speaker 1: nineteen years ago, and it seems way less believable today

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Speaker 1: than it did then. And by the way, it didn't

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Speaker 1: seem all that believable then. First time to feature another

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Speaker 1: dog in need you can help. Every dog has its

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Speaker 1: day to the high kill Shelter at DeVore, California, and Petros.

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Speaker 1: And Petros got there three weeks ago with a suspicious

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Speaker 1: neck injury. The injury is healed. He's great, so now

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Speaker 1: they may kill him because of overcrowding. Petros is an

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Speaker 1: absolutely one adorable lab Golden Retriever mix with a gigantic

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Speaker 1: tail wag, a huge but wiggle, and a big smile.

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Speaker 1: And he needs either a foster or adopter in southern

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Speaker 1: California or our pledges to help her rescue defray the

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Speaker 1: costs of getting him out of there in time. You

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Speaker 1: can find video of Petros on my Twitter feeds. Warning

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Speaker 1: he is unbelievably cute. Your pledges and your retweets are

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Speaker 1: gratefully accepted. Let's save him. Petros. Thanks you, and I

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Speaker 1: thank you finally to the number one story on the

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Speaker 1: Countdown and a correction. First Friday here, in bashing Senator

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Speaker 1: Tommy Tubberville about his claim that his father participated in

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Speaker 1: D Day, I said the Washington Post had found a

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Speaker 1: contemporary newspaper account that said Tubberville's father had been in

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Speaker 1: Europe since June seventh, nineteen forty four, when D Day

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Speaker 1: was June fifth, nineteen forty four. Of course D Day

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Speaker 1: was June sixth, nineteen forty four. So I was wrong,

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Speaker 1: and apparently so was Senator Tubberville about whether or not

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Speaker 1: his father was at D Day, and that in turn

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Speaker 1: reminded me of a story about covering D Day, so

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Speaker 1: to my favorite topic, me and things I promised not

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Speaker 1: to tell and D Day plus sixty. It was June sixth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, and MSNBC's new president, Rick Kaplan

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Speaker 1: needed to make a mark on the network for his

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Speaker 1: new bosses, and he decided this was going to be

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Speaker 1: it on June sixth, two thousand and four, maybe the

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Speaker 1: last even numbered anniversary of D Day, where we'd have

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Speaker 1: a lot of people left who were there. We'd turned

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Speaker 1: the network all D Day. June sixth, two thousand and

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Speaker 1: four basically was going to be June sixth, nineteen forty four,

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Speaker 1: relived Tom Brokaw live on the visius of Normandy and

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Speaker 1: somebody there and Somebody here and his ma Ai too,

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Speaker 1: MSNBC news anchors, me and Lester Holt anchoring two hour

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Speaker 1: blocks devoted to the anniversary and then switching off and

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Speaker 1: he came back, and I would go away, and then

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Speaker 1: I'd come back and he would go just wal to Wall.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rick Kaplan, and I used to produce for Walter

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Speaker 1: Cronkite to not only lock in his new gig at MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: but set himself up for his next goal executive in

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Speaker 1: charge of the Today Show or NBC Nightly News, or

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Speaker 1: something bigger than that little crapshack we ran at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: For my part, I was dispatched first to interview one

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Speaker 1: of the surprisingly large number of soldiers and sailors and

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Speaker 1: airmen who survived D Day and went on to fame.

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Speaker 1: There were actors Charles Derning and James Dewhan Scotty on

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Speaker 1: Star Trek, and the author J. D. Salinger and Seaman's

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Speaker 1: second Class Yogi Bearra. I met Yogi at his museum

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey, and I swear to God he and

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Speaker 1: his son demanded a friendly bribe to do the interview.

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Speaker 1: And what they wanted was my copy of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty three Top's Yogi Bearra baseball card. Seriously, that's the

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Speaker 1: toughest one to find, Yogi said, we never have enough

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Speaker 1: of them here. I always enjoyed Yogi, but he had

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Speaker 1: more to say about his nineteen sixty three baseball card

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Speaker 1: and its relative scarcity than he did about the D

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Speaker 1: Day invasion, and his chief on his rocket launcher boat

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Speaker 1: telling him to keep his head down or he might

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Speaker 1: get to watch it fly off his neck. Anyway, the

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Speaker 1: Barre interview was fine, and it was done, and we

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Speaker 1: edited like fifteen very very short answers into about two

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Speaker 1: minutes of not bad narrative. And I had written a

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Speaker 1: couple of other D Day features and I'd written some

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Speaker 1: other scripts on Friday, and by Sunday we were all

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Speaker 1: crammed into the main MSNBC conference room in Secaucus, New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: everybody working a sixth day. And you would have thought

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Speaker 1: this guy, Rick Kaplan, president of the network, was leading

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Speaker 1: the actual invasion of Normandy, not merely a cable TV

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Speaker 1: network coverage of the sixtieth anniversary. Thereof Aaplin was waxing

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Speaker 1: poetic about how important this was for us and how

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Speaker 1: it would put us on the map against CNN and Fox,

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Speaker 1: and how he had covered all the contingencies. And that's

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Speaker 1: when people's phones started vibrating and ringing. Kaplan was still

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Speaker 1: enjoying the sound of his own voice as these phones

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Speaker 1: gradually drowned him out. When one of the producers finished

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Speaker 1: whispering into his BlackBerry and then said, excuse me, Rick,

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Speaker 1: we have a problem. Ronald Reagan has just died without

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Speaker 1: a word. Twenty people at that conference table rose and

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Speaker 1: then froze, realizing that before they abandoned this meeting to

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Speaker 1: go get on the air as quickly as possible, and

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Speaker 1: then to lay out what would be rolling coverage till

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Speaker 1: at least midnight of Reagan's death and life and reaction

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Speaker 1: to it till further notice. We couldn't just start. We

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Speaker 1: basically had to wait for the president of the network,

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Speaker 1: who was sitting there, Rick Kaplan, to say, Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: figure out the D Day stuff later. It's Reagan day.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. Except he didn't say that, looking crestfallen, looking

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Speaker 1: like a kid who's had his toys stolen and then broken.

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Speaker 1: As he watched Rick Kaplan swept the room with his gaze,

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Speaker 1: he stopped on me, Thanks, couldn't we just uh, couldn't

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Speaker 1: we just do uh, half an hour of Reagan and

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Speaker 1: then half an hour of my D Day and then

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Speaker 1: half an hour And he trailed off and I said, Rick,

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Speaker 1: it's a two term president. I mean, I think he

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Speaker 1: was full of crap, But apparently a lot of American

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Speaker 1: thinks he's some sort of icon. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: it just it just happened like eleven minutes ago. It

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Speaker 1: didn't happen sixty years ago. I'm sorry. He was almost

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Speaker 1: literally pouting, but what about all my D day coverage

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Speaker 1: president of the network, And I said, well, we can

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Speaker 1: those pieces throughout the day tomorrow. They won't just disappear.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to go degous the tapes. Okay. We

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Speaker 1: realized that the president of the news network was not

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Speaker 1: going to be any use helping us cover the first

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Speaker 1: big breaking news story of his presidency because it couldn't

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Speaker 1: bear to change his plans to accommodate breaking presidential news.

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Speaker 1: This was at the end of month three of the

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Speaker 1: Rick Kaplan MSNBC presidency. He was already on the ropes

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Speaker 1: with us. He would later be the guy who chased

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Speaker 1: me around the studios because he was squeamish and I'd

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Speaker 1: mentioned blood on the air and he thought I was

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Speaker 1: trying to sabotage his great show with Rita Cosby. He

553
00:37:47,875 --> 00:37:50,355
Speaker 1: would soon be the network president who did not know

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00:37:50,795 --> 00:37:53,915
Speaker 1: what was live on TV and what was on delay.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that story in a minute too. However,

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Speaker 1: the Rick Kaplan story starts in the men's room at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: It is February seventeenth to thousand and four at one

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Speaker 1: of those moronic corporate speak town halls. The bosses have

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Speaker 1: just introduced Rick Kaplan as the new president of the network.

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Speaker 1: Kaplan speaks for an hour without interruption. He does not

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Speaker 1: mention that he was the president of CNN when it's

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Speaker 1: nineteen year streak at number one in the cable news

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Speaker 1: ratings came to an abrupt end. He does, however, mention

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Speaker 1: that he is six feet seven inches tall, but he

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Speaker 1: does not seem to be six feet seven inches tall.

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Speaker 1: As this nonsense ends, I rush into the men's room

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Speaker 1: and find, to my amusement, Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews, Jesse Ventura,

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Speaker 1: Lester Holt, and one unoccupied urinoll. As I moved to

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Speaker 1: occupy it, it dawns on me that Ventura, the former

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Speaker 1: professional wrestler, is the shortest man in the bathroom, at

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Speaker 1: six feet two. All five of us are silent. Finally,

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Speaker 1: Matthews says it, Helen Hell, can he say he's six

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Speaker 1: foot seven? He's barely taller than I am and I'm

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Speaker 1: six four? Oh man, are you slightly taller than me?

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Speaker 1: You're slightly shorter than me? How is he six seven?

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Speaker 1: Everybody keeps looking forward of course, into the wall in

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Speaker 1: front of us. I'm six three and a half laster.

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Speaker 1: He's your height. I saw you standing with him, you

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Speaker 1: tour even what are you six ' five? Lester says,

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Speaker 1: uh huh and flushes. Scarborough chimes in, I'm just olver

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Speaker 1: sixty four. We're almost dyed. Aye, he's not six seven. Finally,

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Speaker 1: Ventura speaks, I've been thrown around a ring by guys

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Speaker 1: who were six seven. This guy's not six seven. From

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Speaker 1: the sink, Lester Holt now says, have any of you

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00:39:50,795 --> 00:39:54,435
Speaker 1: known anybody our height who lies and says they're taller?

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00:39:55,475 --> 00:39:59,555
Speaker 1: Matthews again, who lies about their height? I flush? This

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Speaker 1: guy does. Gentlemen, we are in trouble here for the

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Speaker 1: presidency of Rick Kaplan at MSNBC. That might have been sorry,

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Speaker 1: I can't resist it the high water mark. Later, on Friday,

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Speaker 1: March fifth, two thousand and four, Kaplan, who had been

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Speaker 1: there three weeks, assembled the hosts and producers of the

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Speaker 1: primetime shows on the network that would have been me. Scarborough,

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Speaker 1: Dan abrams our staffs, the new Jersey staff of Chris

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Speaker 1: Matthews Show, and he told us that the next day

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Speaker 1: was going to be Monday. Somebody from Scarborough's staff helpfully

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Speaker 1: corrected him, mister Kaplan, I'm sorry, tomorrow is Saturday. Kaplan

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Speaker 1: sternly explained he was now president of this network and

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Speaker 1: we all sucked. And if he said today was Friday

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Speaker 1: and tomorrow was Monday, then today was Friday and tomorrow

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Speaker 1: was Monday. He wanted to see us react to sudden

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Speaker 1: changes in our plans. We were being told we were

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Speaker 1: being called into work a sixth day tomorrow for no reason.

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Speaker 1: Kaplan then started yelling at us, You guys don't get it.

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Speaker 1: You're all working tomorrow, but who doesn't come in is fired.

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Speaker 1: We are going to do the whole pro primetime lineup.

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Speaker 1: Your breaking news is today's breaking news, the guilty verdict

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Speaker 1: in the Martha Stewart case. Start booking your guests because

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is Monday, not Saturday. Just on my staff, Saturday

609
00:41:21,995 --> 00:41:26,035
Speaker 1: was supposed to be my reporter's engagement party, a surprise

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Speaker 1: party thrown by one of my producers for his wife's birthday,

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00:41:29,555 --> 00:41:32,995
Speaker 1: and the day another producer was closing on buying a house.

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Speaker 1: I have a vague memory of what we put on

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Speaker 1: the air. I have a stronger memory of the new

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Speaker 1: president of MSNBC, losing the staffs of all four of

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Speaker 1: his primetime shows on his fifth day on the job

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Speaker 1: and never ever getting them back. Kaplan then went to

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Speaker 1: a corkboard on our office wall on which our show

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Speaker 1: Rundown was displayed. He ordered producers to move segments around,

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Speaker 1: and he berated me for not having anticipated his whims

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Speaker 1: and at one point he screamed, stop, what the hell

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Speaker 1: are you doing? And he got up and he grabbed

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Speaker 1: the pushpin, which held up an index card bearing the

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Speaker 1: name of a guest. You don't use green pins with

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Speaker 1: yellow index cards. You use yellow pins with yellow index cards.

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Speaker 1: What kind of a newsman are You can't imagine how

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00:42:22,995 --> 00:42:26,035
Speaker 1: this guy choked away CNN's monopoly on cable news ratings.

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00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:30,115
Speaker 1: I was reminded recently that later on December eighth, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five, seventeen years ago tomorrow, he did one

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Speaker 1: of the most unintentionally funniest things I have ever witnessed.

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Speaker 1: A plane slid off the runway at Midway Airport in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Nothing funny about that, obviously, but Kaplan called into our

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Speaker 1: control room demanding we changed something about our live coverage

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Speaker 1: that he didn't like. We promptly made the change. He

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Speaker 1: was right. Five minutes later he called in and started

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Speaker 1: swearing at one of our producers. I told you to

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Speaker 1: change that. F you, you're fired. And the producer said,

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Speaker 1: we changed it five minutes ago when you called in, silence, Rick,

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Speaker 1: are you watching the network on some sort of delay?

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Speaker 1: Are you watching on TVO or something? Silence again. Finally

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Speaker 1: he said, okay, good work, see you tomorrow and hung up.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know he was watching it on a delay.

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00:43:24,035 --> 00:43:26,555
Speaker 1: Kaplan was also one of these forget the mean thing

643
00:43:26,595 --> 00:43:29,275
Speaker 1: I said yesterday. God knows I have kind of guys.

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00:43:29,835 --> 00:43:32,155
Speaker 1: By Monday, he had heard people laughing at some of

645
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Speaker 1: my on air jokes and his front runner instincts took over.

646
00:43:36,635 --> 00:43:38,995
Speaker 1: He called me and the producer in for a meeting.

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Speaker 1: I have only one criticism of your show. Which of

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00:43:41,875 --> 00:43:44,235
Speaker 1: these stories will you be talking about? Thing is genius?

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00:43:44,715 --> 00:43:46,995
Speaker 1: The fifth story, the fourth story, then the third story.

650
00:43:47,155 --> 00:43:53,315
Speaker 1: It's original and fresh. I hesitated. I almost said to him, yeah,

651
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Speaker 1: this old counting thing. We just invented that. The music

652
00:43:56,835 --> 00:43:59,635
Speaker 1: is genius, the graphics are genius. You're a genius, but

653
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Speaker 1: you're missing something off meus, something genius. After each one

654
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Speaker 1: of these stories after you thank your guests, you should

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Speaker 1: do a list of the things you didn't tell us

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Speaker 1: about those stories. So like, after the fifth story, you

657
00:44:10,035 --> 00:44:12,235
Speaker 1: should say, now here are the other five things we

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Speaker 1: didn't tell you about the fifth story. Get it a

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Speaker 1: full screen graphic, and you telling people, And then four

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Speaker 1: things for the fourth story, and three for the third.

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Speaker 1: I thought for a moment, and I said, okay, but

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Speaker 1: what happens if we make those graphics up and then

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Speaker 1: a minute beforehand the guest brings up one of those

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Speaker 1: things we claim we didn't tell you. When he just

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Speaker 1: told you, we had lost Rick Caplan's attention by that point. Hmmm,

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Speaker 1: he grunted. For a second. I thought his eyes were

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Speaker 1: pointing outwards in different directions, but he snapped himself back

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Speaker 1: into this reality. Huh could happen? You'll figure it out anyway.

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Speaker 1: Too late to do it today, figure it out and

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Speaker 1: do it tomorrow. Thanks the producer. And I had to

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Speaker 1: then explain to the staff of Countdown that from now on,

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Speaker 1: for every story they had to deliberately leave out one

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Speaker 1: or two or three or four or five facts or details,

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Speaker 1: something interesting enough to be made into a full screen graphic,

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Speaker 1: but not interesting enough to be included in their scripts

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Speaker 1: or the interviews with the guests. Suddenly I thought a

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Speaker 1: lot of people's eyes were pointing outwards in different directions.

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Speaker 1: The line producer, Greg Kordick, who was in charge not

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Speaker 1: of content but of timing things and making sure things

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Speaker 1: like graphics got made, said, matter of factly, this will

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Speaker 1: add five hours to everybody's workday. And so it did.

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Speaker 1: After the next day's show and we listed the top

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Speaker 1: five things we didn't tell you about today's fifth story,

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Speaker 1: and the top four things we didn't tell you about

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Speaker 1: today's fourth story, etc. And we had to shorten all

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Speaker 1: the scripts and shorten each interview just to make room

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Speaker 1: for all of this extraneous crap. Greg, the producer, said,

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Speaker 1: people here will be quitting by Thursday and dying by Monday.

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Speaker 1: And I said, you're right. Plus it ruins the interviews

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Speaker 1: and it weakens the show. Don't do it tomorrow with Kaplan, yells,

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Speaker 1: I'll take the eight. So now it's Wednesday. And not

692
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Speaker 1: only don't I hear anything from Kaplan about the Tuesday

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Speaker 1: show and his the top five things we didn't tell

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Speaker 1: you about today's fifth story, Jazz, but after the Wednesday show,

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Speaker 1: when we don't do it. I'm sitting there waiting for

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Speaker 1: an enraged phone call because we didn't. Thursday morning at home,

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for an enraged email. Thursday afternoon, I'm waiting

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Speaker 1: for an enraged Kaplin in person. Nothing. He never said

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Speaker 1: a word. The week passes nothing, a month, two months,

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00:46:29,635 --> 00:46:32,995
Speaker 1: it's summer. Nothing. The rest of two thousand and four

701
00:46:33,075 --> 00:46:37,555
Speaker 1: flies by nothing. We did it once, we never did

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00:46:37,595 --> 00:46:44,315
Speaker 1: it again, and then he never said anything. It is

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Speaker 1: now January two thousand and five, and he still hasn't

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Speaker 1: said anything. And I'm told by Phil Griffin, my first

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Speaker 1: producer in television sports and sixteen years later, my first

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Speaker 1: producer in television news, who has since become the vice

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Speaker 1: president of MSNBC, that Kaplain wants to see us in

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Speaker 1: his office. It's not a big deal, Phil says, he's

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Speaker 1: in a good mood. He just wants to make us

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Speaker 1: feel like we have input in to his decisions. This

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Speaker 1: is a what do you think meeting? Now, I have

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Speaker 1: to ask you to carefully picture the layout of Rick

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Speaker 1: Kaplan's office at MSNBC in the year two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: Envision a long, narrow room. Baseball's MLB network now operates there,

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Speaker 1: and they have cleverly turned Kaplan's office into a wardrobe room,

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00:47:25,835 --> 00:47:29,395
Speaker 1: perfect since it was really just a long closet. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: Rick Kaplan, who was six foot five but lied and

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Speaker 1: said he was six foot seven, sat at the very

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Speaker 1: back of this room. So you come in the front door,

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Speaker 1: you turn to your right, and maybe thirty thirty five

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Speaker 1: forty feet away from you, in the farthest corner, facing

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Speaker 1: his computer on his desk, flush against the left hand wall,

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Speaker 1: is the president of MSNBC. A few feet into the

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Speaker 1: room is where you sit. Halfway between these two points.

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Speaker 1: Against the right hand wall is where another executive can sit.

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Speaker 1: So Phil Griffin sits there. I'm just inside the door.

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Speaker 1: He is fifteen feet ahead of me to the right.

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Speaker 1: Rick Kaplan is thirty feet or forty feet ahead of

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Speaker 1: me to the left. Picture this carefully, the way these

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Speaker 1: chairs and desks are arranged. If you're me and Phil

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Speaker 1: Griffin is looking at you, Rick Kaplan can only see

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Speaker 1: the back of Phil Griffin's head and not his face.

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Speaker 1: If they are both looking at you, they cannot see

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Speaker 1: each other. Weird, seemingly trivial turned out to be essential.

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Speaker 1: We begin this meaningless meeting and talk about guests and graphics, fonts,

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Speaker 1: and Kaplan talks about how much the ratings have gone

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Speaker 1: up in his year as president. And finally, I say,

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Speaker 1: I do have one suggestion. I think the show is

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Speaker 1: going to be very successful, and I think if we

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Speaker 1: want to make any changes, we should make them now

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Speaker 1: before it becomes successful. And I say, I have never

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Speaker 1: heard anybody say they like the fifth story, fourth story,

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Speaker 1: third story stuff. If you want to continue the name

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00:49:02,195 --> 00:49:05,995
Speaker 1: countdown because people know it by now, that's great, I guess.

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Speaker 1: But the five four three two one numbering is a

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Speaker 1: conceit and it's a lot of extra work for everybody,

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Speaker 1: and I think we should kill it now. Kaplan is aghast.

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Speaker 1: He is pale. He is not angry, he is just stunned.

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Speaker 1: But you can't do that. Five four three two one

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Speaker 1: is part of the reasons the ratings went up. The

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Speaker 1: ratings went up when I came up with the idea

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Speaker 1: of the top five things we didn't tell you about

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Speaker 1: today's top five stories, and the top four things we

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Speaker 1: didn't tell you about today's number four story, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: We can't stop that. That's why people watch. My idea

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00:49:48,155 --> 00:49:50,715
Speaker 1: took me a split second to even remember what the

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00:49:50,755 --> 00:49:53,115
Speaker 1: hell it was he was talking about. I had forgotten

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Speaker 1: the whole five things we didn't tell you Albatross weeks

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Speaker 1: after the one show we did it, and then the

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Speaker 1: staff rebelled and I said, screw it, and I'll take

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Speaker 1: the heat. And I was about to say this out

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Speaker 1: loud when I suddenly realized that Phil Griffin, fifteen feet

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Speaker 1: away on the right, his face turned to me and

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Speaker 1: thus invisible to Kaplan thirty feet away on the left,

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Speaker 1: was making his eyes as wide as possible, and Phil

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Speaker 1: was looking right at me and silently mouthing the word no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: all the while keeping his head completely still, so Kaplan

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Speaker 1: didn't know he was talking to me. Silently. I got

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Speaker 1: Phil's message. I dropped the subject. I didn't say it.

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Speaker 1: The meeting ended maybe two minutes later with Kaplan saying

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Speaker 1: keep up the good work, and ushering us out by saying,

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Speaker 1: and keep up with the top five things we didn't

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Speaker 1: tell you about today's five fifth story. Oh that's what's

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Speaker 1: making it really cook. When we were out of earshot

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Speaker 1: of Rick Kaplan, Griffin thanked me for being able to

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Speaker 1: read his panicked lips. I used an oath to liven

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Speaker 1: up my question? What the blank was that all about?

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00:51:00,235 --> 00:51:02,435
Speaker 1: And Griffin said, now you know what every day of

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Speaker 1: my life has become. It's not worth the time to

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Speaker 1: try to correct him. He believes what he believes, and

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Speaker 1: he won't be checked or contradicted. And I said, we

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Speaker 1: only did the five things. We didn't tell you a

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Speaker 1: thing once, only once. It's like a year later. How

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Speaker 1: in the hell could he possibly think we're still doing it?

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Speaker 1: Griffin laughed, like a soldier on a World War One

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Speaker 1: battlefield who has just run out of bullets. See that's

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Speaker 1: the problem, buddy. He only watches MSNBC here in the office,

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Speaker 1: the place he's renting it doesn't have cable. President of

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Speaker 1: MSNBC doesn't have cable at home. On June sixth, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, they fired Rick Caplan as the president

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Speaker 1: of MSNBC. They let him resign. They also let him

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Speaker 1: keep his secret, the darkest of secrets for him and

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Speaker 1: for MSNBC, that, for his two years on the throne,

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00:52:00,275 --> 00:52:05,195
Speaker 1: the president of an all news cable channel did not

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Speaker 1: have cable. I've done all the damage I can do here.

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