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Speaker 2: It on The standing was great, that kid was amazing, right,

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Speaker 1: It was one horrific tragedy, one senseless act of violence

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Speaker 4: I'm sure now he's thirteen or fourteen, but at the

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Speaker 1: Very bright Teofrey actually was older than that. He was

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Speaker 1: I found myself in this strange situation because now I

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Speaker 3: Is it a homicide?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a homicide case.

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Speaker 3: Did I handle it? I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: To know what happened, because I feel like there's things

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Speaker 3: What was their story? I'm sure you deal with that

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Speaker 1: Thank you, because he's a part of Daisy story and

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Speaker 1: like you said, he's a part of why Victor ended

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Speaker 3: Part of my French. I speak a lot of French.

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Speaker 3: Edit that might go all right, dude, that's messed up.

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Speaker 3: Come on, this is your job.

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Speaker 1: Paris Hilton. This is My Friend Daisy, episode ten Cat Eyes.

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Speaker 1: After I told Sanchez about Jeffrey, I knew I had

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's very tragic. Yeah, it's such a nice boy.

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Speaker 1: Luco's response was surprising to me, especially because when we

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Speaker 1: I asked him, do you remember where you were when

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Speaker 3: I think you're told this here.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was the way he hesitated or restated my question,

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Speaker 1: Luco stopped and introduced me to a detective named Joe Purcell.

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Speaker 1: He's an old timer who trained Luco here that was

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Speaker 4: It's Jennifer Swan. She's a podcaster. Oh, she used to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a freelancer doing a doing a podcast about

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Speaker 1: a story that I covered a couple of years ago. Kidding, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: put a murdering Compton.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't mean it that way, but it sounded

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Speaker 1: Lugo was always downplaying the role of social media and

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Speaker 4: told you this already, Jennifer, our relationship we wanted to be.

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Speaker 4: Those are our victims, right, Susie has suffered enough, and

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Speaker 4: I know she was upset for a time because nothing

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Speaker 4: We can't just arrest someone and then we have to

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, maybe it's worth pointing out that Lugo actually

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Speaker 7: When I see his MoMA in the news, she touched

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Speaker 6: She touched your feelings.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's life, innocent life.

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Speaker 1: Nobody had suspected that he'd been hiding in plain sight

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Speaker 3: How long is he for?

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Speaker 7: April, yes, the first nation of April. Three months when

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Speaker 3: Yeh three months. Wow, that's a while.

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Speaker 1: Because people kept saying they saw him in a lay,

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Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of wild to me that Victor

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Speaker 1: Evidence of a good time had On a sunny, breezy

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Speaker 8: My last He feels sad because he reported clearly, I

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Speaker 7: You're doing great, You're doing justice.

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Speaker 1: the ten freeways meet. It's housed in this brick building

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Speaker 1: from the early nineteen hundreds, and it's got marble walls

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Speaker 1: and these big chandeliers. The place looks regal, but inside

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Speaker 1: people are having some of the worst days of their lives.

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Speaker 1: They come here to get autopsy reports, but also to

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Speaker 1: do things like collect their loved ones belonging after they've

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Speaker 1: been sent to the morgue. It's pretty heart wrenching stuff.

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Speaker 1: I waited in the lobby and then I was escorted

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Speaker 1: down into the basement where all the records are stored.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to do card?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do a card.

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Speaker 1: I handed over my credit card and I was given

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Speaker 1: a manila envelope. I walked down the hallway, took a

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Speaker 1: seat on a wooden bench, and opened up the envelope.

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Speaker 1: I started thumbing through the report. It was about thirty

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Speaker 1: pages long, and as I flipped through it, I found

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Speaker 1: a summary of what detectives believe happened on the day

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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey was killed, which is this. Jeffrey and a

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Speaker 1: few friends had ordered a pizza. When the pizza delivery

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Speaker 1: guy got there. This is according to the report, Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: and another friend flashed guns and attempted to steal his

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Speaker 1: jewelry and cash. At some point, the pizza delivery guy

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Speaker 1: apparently took hold of one of the guns. One of

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey's friends ran away, and at some point about a

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Speaker 1: dozen shots were fired. The police know this because of

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Speaker 1: the bullet casings they found on the ground. Most were

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Speaker 1: from a rifle, some were from a handgun. But that's

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Speaker 1: about all the authorities know for certain. That and the

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Speaker 1: fact that three different bullets pierced Jeffrey's body, one in

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Speaker 1: his arm, one in his chest, one in his head.

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Speaker 1: As far as I know, the police have not charged

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Speaker 1: anyone for Jeffrey's murder. Again, they've told me that the

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Speaker 1: investigation is ongoing. This is also what they've told Wendy,

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Speaker 1: his mother. One way that she's been attempting to process

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Speaker 1: her grief is by posting videos of Jeffrey on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: By remembering the good times and sharing them with others, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I can see the brown in your eyes.

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Speaker 4: Let me see.

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Speaker 1: Even the day.

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Speaker 4: No wither than I even have I.

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Speaker 1: This video was taken at the Mall food court. Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: was wearing a white hoodie and sipping on a purple

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Speaker 1: smoothie and.

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Speaker 6: That day, I remember we were sitting and then I

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Speaker 6: was recording him and I told him, I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 6: you don't even have green eyes. I see all brown

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Speaker 6: and just like teasing him around and he's like, he's

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Speaker 6: like gos shay and everything. And I'm like, Jeffrey, let

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Speaker 6: me see your eyes. And he's like he's like hiding.

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Speaker 6: He's like, no, man, stop, and I'm like, let.

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Speaker 1: Me see how old this either? Uh? This was?

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Speaker 6: It was last year, last year, Yeah, the beginning of

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Speaker 6: last year, February twenty three.

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Speaker 1: It was filmed on February twenty third, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: It only hit me later that that date was the

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Speaker 1: anniversary of Daisy's death. It was exactly two years to

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Speaker 1: the day after Jeffrey identified her body. The day after

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Speaker 1: his death, Wendy uploaded this video to TikTok. She put

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Speaker 1: a sentimental music track over it. The lyrics went, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know today would be your last. Jeffrey's smiling and

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Speaker 1: laughing in the video. When he looks into the camera,

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Speaker 1: his eyes are of course green. Ri I p Miohito

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Speaker 1: Stigato when they wrote on the video and little cat eyes.

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Speaker 6: I didn't have any followers. I just started my page

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Speaker 6: and I started with my with my little dog, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: with the lit my little dog, my kids, that this

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Speaker 6: little chick that I have. Then I just posted a

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Speaker 6: few videos of my mom after that when she found away,

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Speaker 6: and then that was the first video that I posted

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Speaker 6: of Jeffrey, which was that one was the one that

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Speaker 6: went by has a million views? Does I'm telling you

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Speaker 6: that's why. That's why I noticed it went viral. And

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Speaker 6: then I got a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of how you think viral?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how they go viral, But I guess

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Speaker 6: it started popping up on everybody's life for you page

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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 1: That's right. This video has over a million views. It

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Speaker 1: reminded me of something that Sarah Turney, that true crime

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Speaker 1: TikToker and podcaster I spoke to in the first episode,

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Speaker 1: told me. She said that TikTok It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a slot machine and you never really know what's going

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Speaker 1: to hit, what's going to be rewarded by the algorithm.

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Speaker 1: In Wendy's case, it was this short clip of her

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Speaker 1: son just being himself, being a kid in a food

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Speaker 1: court with his mom. Wendy wasn't using TikTok to try

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Speaker 1: to find his killer. It wasn't a call to action.

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Speaker 1: It was simply a way of remembering Jeffrey and maybe

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Speaker 1: of finding comfort from strangers. Wendy scrolled through her phone

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Speaker 1: and showed me more photos of Jeffrey over the years.

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Speaker 6: Some of them were goofy.

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Speaker 1: They captured these random, silly moments at home.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I found a video the other day. I was

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Speaker 6: going through my pictures and then I saw a video

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Speaker 6: of He's like, yeah, I'm a YouTuber, and my mom

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Speaker 6: mad because I don't give her her phone back. I

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Speaker 6: did what you're doing it on my phone?

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Speaker 1: I was like, of course, I want my phone. Was

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Speaker 1: he actually a YouTuber? Was not? No?

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Speaker 6: What he was I guess he was like he wanted

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Speaker 6: to be your YouTuber. He's like, hey, guys, welcome to

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Speaker 6: my YouTube channel. And I don't know what, like this

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Speaker 6: is my famous YouTuber I'm like, dude, you're not even

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Speaker 6: anything yet.

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Speaker 1: And there were other photos and videos that marked these

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Speaker 1: big milestones.

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Speaker 6: Where was that. He's all dresseduff he got he graduated.

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Speaker 6: That's when he graduated from middle school.

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Speaker 1: He looks very serious.

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Speaker 6: He was mad because I was having him close everywhere.

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Speaker 2: At the park.

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Speaker 4: He's like another photo.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, He's like, Mom, just take one or two pictures

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Speaker 6: and that's it. Because it was holl looks like, Mom stopped,

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Speaker 6: it's a already.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm that You're glad you have all the photos.

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Speaker 6: You know. Yeah, that's what I told my kids. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 6: you guys can be mad at me trying to take

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Speaker 6: pictures or videos. I'm like, that's all I'm gonna keep.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, you guys are gonna get older and all that,

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Speaker 6: Like nobody's gonna know anything about you guys. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: only me.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, only me.

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Speaker 6: I'll have all the memories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This series is dedicated to the memories of Daisy del

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Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Toinoko. Thank you so much to everyone who

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Speaker 1: shared their memories of them with me, including Juan Delo,

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Speaker 1: Daisy's grandfather. He died in late twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 1: thank you so much to all of you for listening.

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Speaker 9: Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to My

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Speaker 9: Friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse,

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Speaker 1: produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce Gersh

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Speaker 1: and mixing by Hans Dale. Shee Lee fact checked this episode.

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