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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome in another edition of Crush City

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Speaker 1: Territory presented by Fox One. I'm Chandler Rome, joined today

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Speaker 1: by a special guest host that we've had on before,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you remember Adam Spolane. Adam, how are

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Speaker 1: you good? To have you back?

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Speaker 2: I'm good Ler, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Tyler? For those that are wondering, Tyler

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Speaker 1: claims he is sick. Lassie beat the Gators last night,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what he has to be sick about.

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Speaker 1: Josh is at a charity event that I assume has

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Speaker 1: an open bar that he is enjoying. So I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here with Adam. Adam, We've had now three or four

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Speaker 1: days to process kind of everything that has happened in

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Speaker 1: the Astros orbit the last couple of days. You know.

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Speaker 1: Hitting coaches Alex Centrone and Troy Snicker not retained, head

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Speaker 1: athletic trainer Jeremiah Randall not retained, catching coach Michael Collins

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Speaker 1: not retained, and a GM Andrew Ball not retained. I've

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Speaker 1: Tyler and myself we gave our thoughts on everything as

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Speaker 1: someone that covered this team about as much as anyone

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Speaker 1: at home and watched obviously most of their games from AFAR.

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Speaker 1: Anything surprised you about what they did and the changes

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Speaker 1: that they made to their not only their coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: but their front office and their medical team.

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Speaker 2: No, I think most of it was expected. I guess

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Speaker 2: the Collins thing was a little surprising, just because that's

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Speaker 2: not a name that you hear a lot about. But

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Speaker 2: I think if you watched Jinar Diaz catch over the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years, you could probably see there was

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Speaker 2: something that probably needed to change there. The hitting coaches.

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Speaker 2: It's been talked about to death, and I'm sure people

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Speaker 2: were tired of hearing about it, But to me, it

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Speaker 2: almost feels like they made changes just to say that

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Speaker 2: they've made changes. And the thing that kind of sticks

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Speaker 2: out to me is that those two guys were hired

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Speaker 2: by Luno and Hinch, they stayed on with Dusty and Click,

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Speaker 2: and then Espada and Dana kept them as well, So

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Speaker 2: you have three different regimes thought that they were good

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Speaker 2: at their jobs, and then for whatever reason, you know,

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Speaker 2: this year obviously didn't go well and they just decided

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Speaker 2: that they had to move on. You know, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: get stale, sometimes you need to make changes. But those

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Speaker 2: two guys in particular, they didn't seem like they were

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Speaker 2: guys who were, you know, old school and just kind

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Speaker 2: of lost in, you know, the ways of the past.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like those two were very bright and we're

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Speaker 2: always looking to make changes with certain things, and for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason it didn't work. I don't know. I thought offensively,

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Speaker 2: they were pretty good up until Paritis got hurt, and

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Speaker 2: then he got hurt and everything went to hell. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think that I wasn't in the hitters meetings.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you were either, But I don't think

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Speaker 2: that Snicker and Sintron were telling the guys to swing

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Speaker 2: at pitches outside the strike zone. So like that that

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Speaker 2: to me, is that that's where this this comes from,

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Speaker 2: is that they were chasing pitches at an absurd rate. Again,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's just more because those are the

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Speaker 2: types of hitters that they had. Now, maybe maybe they

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Speaker 2: bring in Maybe maybe the players weren't getting good enough

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Speaker 2: guiding reports on the pictures that they were facing, and

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Speaker 2: maybe so maybe the hitters weren't as prepared for who

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Speaker 2: they were facing as maybe they needed to be. But

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Speaker 2: that's all I can think of at this point. To me,

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Speaker 2: I think they made a change just to say they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I in one of the

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Speaker 1: stories I wrote, I called them sacrificial lamps. I'm not

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Speaker 1: really sure. I don't know if it rises to like

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Speaker 1: scapegoat level. But you know, look when you when you

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Speaker 1: missed the postseason for the first time in nine years,

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Speaker 1: and you have an owner of a team that that

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Speaker 1: is not his expectation. He has said multiple times the

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Speaker 1: windows never closing, and I expect, I expect a lot.

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Speaker 1: You knew changes were going to come, and I think

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Speaker 1: those were maybe the most quote unquote convenient ones to make.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want that to sound crass, just given

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Speaker 1: that these are guys with livelihoods, with families with These

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Speaker 1: you never want to talk like that about guys that

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Speaker 1: something with the hitting coaches. Maybe from an angle that

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Speaker 1: were like the archetype for what modern front offices want

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Speaker 1: Came from kind of the if you want to put

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Speaker 1: it in simple terms, came from like the baseball background,

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Speaker 1: things like that. And then you had Troy Snicker, who

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Speaker 1: I believe I don't think ever played professional baseball, or

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Speaker 1: if he did, he never got out of high a

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Speaker 1: was a catcher in a small town in Georgia and

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Speaker 1: college of course, being the son of Brian Snicker, the

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Speaker 1: longtime Braves manager. Grew up in clubhouses, grew up on

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Speaker 1: mechanics of hitting. Gotta you know, had a kind of

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Speaker 1: maybe the kind of guys that modern front offices look

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Speaker 1: for in hitting coaches. But you know, I think what

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Speaker 1: I believe on social media at one point too. You know,

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Speaker 1: these guys have been around for an extended length of time,

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Speaker 1: and that stretches to Jeremiah Randall two, who have been

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Speaker 1: who had been on staff I believe since twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: that whole time, but was a bullpen catcher and marked

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Speaker 1: his way up. But I think, you know, change can

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Speaker 1: be good, like just a new voice, a new set

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Speaker 1: because like we've said, I guarantee you, Alex Centron sat

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Speaker 1: Yiner Diaz now multiple times that please not chase, you know,

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Speaker 1: every first pitch strike outside of the zone. You see,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you Troy Snicker was doing the same thing

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Speaker 1: with some other guys that chased a lot. Maybe hearing

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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that those two guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very much of it's about the players, and

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's always going to

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Speaker 2: be about the players. The coaches are always going to

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Speaker 2: take the hit when things are going bad. The players

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Speaker 2: are always going to get the credit when things are

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Speaker 2: going good. Things went bad last year, you can't fire

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Speaker 2: the players, so you get to fire the coaches. And

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Speaker 2: I imagine both of those guys have interviewed for other

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Speaker 2: they will both have jobs very quickly at some point

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Speaker 2: a little risky to do stuff like this, because when

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Speaker 2: you fire good people, it is very possible that the

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Speaker 2: and then you wind up going backwards even further. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's a risk. With what they did, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they felt like they needed to do something to change

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the minute you knew that that Joe Aspata

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Speaker 1: You can't bring back just the same staff. You can't

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Speaker 1: to just show that there were there was a pulse,

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Speaker 1: ascribe this all to Oh, we got very injured. We

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up You know how well those

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Speaker 1: ever formally interviewed, but the Cleveland Guardians were interested in

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Speaker 1: I don't think he ever interviewed for the job, but

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Speaker 1: from what I understand, you know, he was a name

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Speaker 1: he ends up there. Maybe, But both of those guys

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Speaker 1: These are two really, really good guys, and I think

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Speaker 1: this to be you know that they're blameless in this,

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Speaker 1: because yes, I like you put it. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the swing decisions things like that. But you know, there

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Speaker 1: is something to be said about, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: do that. But again, it was much more of a

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Speaker 1: ago was Joe Aspata mentioned that he was going to

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Speaker 1: call Carlos Korea, who is now by every You don't

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Speaker 1: all the time. He's the leader of the clubhouse, the

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Speaker 1: Joe Spotta said he was going to call Carlos Carre

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Speaker 1: and they were going to go to dinner and talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know what needed to change, what things they'd like

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Speaker 1: to see implemented with things they like to see done differently.

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Speaker 1: I found it to be an interesting exercise for both of

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Speaker 1: us to maybe think about. And this can be dangerous

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Speaker 1: to putting words in somebody's mouth, especially Carlos koreas what

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Speaker 1: do you think? What do you think is the conversation

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Speaker 1: that at that dinner table wherever it is in a

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Speaker 1: very nice restaurant, and like river Oaks or West you

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Speaker 1: here in Houston, where where what do you think that

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Speaker 2: I think that you have to ask him. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: came in during the season. He saw things when things

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Speaker 1: in Game five. That game can screw you up for

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Speaker 1: like four or five days, and they've got a very

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Speaker 1: quick turnaround. They had one day in between that game

435
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Speaker 1: and then playing Game one tonight on Fox one. How

436
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Speaker 1: do you see this series going and what do you

437
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Speaker 1: like about the matchups between the Blue Jays and the Mariners.

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Speaker 2: I loved every second of Game five of Tigers, just

439
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: the strategy and just how many starting pitchers had to

440
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Speaker 2: be used, Like we were very close to seeing Rafael

441
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Speaker 2: Montero pitch in that game. I think maybe a couple

442
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Speaker 2: more innings we would have seen Montero. I going into

443
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Speaker 2: the poseas and I thought that Seattle would win the

444
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Speaker 2: American League. But man, like you said, they had a

445
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Speaker 2: huge dent that got put into their pitching. They kind

446
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Speaker 2: of were fortunate that they didn't have to like extend

447
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 2: Gilbert in Castillo that much on Friday. It's not like

448
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Speaker 2: they had to throw six innings. So I think I

449
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Speaker 2: haven't seen if they've announced a game two star yet,

450
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Speaker 2: but I think the one thing that did that you

451
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: did kind of see with Seattle is just how much

452
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Speaker 2: depth that they have with that bullpen. And they have

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna get it. Looks like they're gonna get

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Speaker 2: WU back at some point in this series. So I

455
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Speaker 2: think they've got just enough pitching to to keep that

456
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Speaker 2: thing together and to make that a really good series.

457
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Speaker 2: I think they might. The first two games of this

458
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Speaker 2: series will be tough for them, but I think if

459
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Speaker 2: they can somehow get a split in Toronto, I think

460
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Speaker 2: they win that series.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that worries me about the about the

462
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Speaker 1: Mariners a little bit. I like their lineup. I really

463
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Speaker 1: do like they have depth in their lineup that that

464
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Speaker 1: very few. The power and the depth of their lineup

465
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Speaker 1: is I think better than the Blue Jays, but I

466
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Speaker 1: think I think the number was Julio Suarez and a

467
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Speaker 1: Rose Raina struck out like twenty eight times in the Alds.

468
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Speaker 1: This is a team that they are going to need

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Speaker 1: those guys to because one thing you'll see about Toronto,

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Speaker 1: they put the ball in play not strike out. They

471
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Speaker 1: put the ball in play. Maybe it's a new hitting coach,

472
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Speaker 1: who knows, but they put the ball in play. They

473
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Speaker 1: don't strike out. They're not going to hit a ton

474
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Speaker 1: of homers, you know, Vladiol Popolin every now and then.

475
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Speaker 1: George Springer's having a renaissance here. He's obviously capable of

476
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Speaker 1: going deep. But this is a Toronto lineup that thrives

477
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Speaker 1: and putting the ball in play, passing the baton and

478
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Speaker 1: kind of stringing innings together. And seeing them do that

479
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Speaker 1: against a Yankee starting rotation that I thought was maybe

480
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Speaker 1: the best in the playoffs. They they hammered Rodan, they

481
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Speaker 1: hammered Freed. They they didn't do much with Schlitler, but

482
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Speaker 1: they were they were better with him than certainly the

483
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Speaker 1: Red Sox were. But I think for the Mariners to

484
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Speaker 1: keep this, I think for the Mariners to advance and

485
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Speaker 1: do what they need to do, they need they need

486
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Speaker 1: to show that power up and down the lineup. They

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Speaker 1: can't have Julio and a Rosa, Rena and Suarez striking

488
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Speaker 1: out as much as they did and having so many

489
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Speaker 1: unproductive and empty at bats, putting the and thereby just

490
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Speaker 1: putting the US on cal Rawley to carry them.

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Speaker 2: I think they will be very happy to not have

492
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Speaker 2: to face that Tiger's pitching staff. I think that Tiger's

493
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Speaker 2: pitching staff was very good, and they were they were

494
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Speaker 2: really they were going at a very high level. Like

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Speaker 2: I guess Jack Flaherty his starting Game three was probably

496
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Speaker 2: I think it was Game three, right, Yeah, that was

497
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Speaker 2: That was the one game where they kind of had

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Speaker 2: things going a little bit offensively. I think everybody elseo

499
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Speaker 2: on that Tiger step, aside from Rafael Montero, was just

500
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Speaker 2: really really good that entire series, and I think that

501
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Speaker 2: not having to face those guys will be a big

502
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Speaker 2: benefit to that meritors lineup.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they want to face Trek Schooble. They've beaten them

504
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Speaker 1: four times. They've beaten them four times this year. Terror

505
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Speaker 1: they didn't beat him.

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Speaker 2: They won the games, but they didn't beat him.

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Speaker 1: He's incredible, man, and you got to you gotta have

508
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Speaker 1: to watch that on Fox one. You can watch from

509
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Speaker 1: the MLB postseason to NFL on Fox to Big Noon Saturdays.

510
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Speaker 1: With Fox one, you get it all live. Start your

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Speaker 1: seven day free trial to day offers are subject to change,

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513
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Speaker 1: Fox one streaming now. I'm pretty interesting, pretty good offer too.

514
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: Right as the ALCS starts, you can get on that

515
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: and get to Fox one and help out back to

516
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: the Astros. Obviously, that's what people want to hear about.

517
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Speaker 1: They don't. I don't doubt anyone's listening to this podcast

518
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: wants to hear about the Mariners, Adam. The one thing

519
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Speaker 1: that I've kind of had front of mind, and I

520
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Speaker 1: don't know if this is going to come up over

521
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: dinner between Joe Aspota and Carlos Korea. Joe A. Spota

522
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Speaker 1: can probably call the guy that we're going to talk

523
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Speaker 1: about and go to dinner with him. That's Jose Altuve.

524
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Speaker 1: I think one of the keys for the Astros to

525
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Speaker 1: figure out what they're going to do this offseason and

526
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Speaker 1: how they're going to shape their roster. I think they

527
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Speaker 1: have got to figure out what they want to do

528
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Speaker 1: with Jose Altuve, what is his role? Where do you

529
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Speaker 1: want him to play predominantly? And understanding that they had

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Speaker 1: a plan for that going into this season. Then Jordan

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Speaker 1: Alvarez missed a hundred and something games, like they had

532
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Speaker 1: to adjust the plan. But I think until you know

533
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Speaker 1: all right. We want him to be a platoon in

534
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Speaker 1: left field with Alvarez. We want him to maybe be

535
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Speaker 1: our primary DH and let Alvarez play in left field

536
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Speaker 1: a good bit of the time, or we want to

537
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Speaker 1: just you know, scrap the left field thing. We'll live

538
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Speaker 1: with his bad defense at second base. Let him play

539
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Speaker 1: second base for one hundred and ten hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: games until they pick a lane there. I think it's

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Speaker 1: hard to start talking about the rest of their roster

542
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: because the rest of their roster, most of it is

543
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: pretty expendable, and you can start to talk about moving

544
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Speaker 1: pieces and trading guys and dangling in trades, like you're

545
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Speaker 1: not dangling Josel Tuve in trades. He's not going to

546
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Speaker 1: become a part time player like he is paid like

547
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Speaker 1: an everyday player. He's the face of your franchise. He

548
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: will play a majority of the time. They need to

549
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Speaker 1: figure out what they're doing with him first. Then after that,

550
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the conversations can get crystallized

551
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Speaker 1: a little bit.

552
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Speaker 2: I think I would split left field between left field

553
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Speaker 2: and Dah between him and Alvarez. I thought that he

554
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Speaker 2: was adequate in left field. I think that another year

555
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: of experience will certainly help. I don't think he can

556
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Speaker 2: play second base anymore. Now they aren't they in all

557
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: likelihood are not going to have probably the sports, you know,

558
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: greatest ground ball pitcher on their staff anymore. So maybe

559
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: that changes the equation a little bit. But I just

560
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Speaker 2: don't think he can play second base. I just don't

561
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Speaker 2: think that that is tenable at this point. And then

562
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Speaker 2: I also don't think he can play one hundred and

563
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Speaker 2: fifty five games, like and the way that he faded

564
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: down the stretch kind of showed you all you needed

565
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Speaker 2: to see, Like he cannot. He'll be thirty six, you

566
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Speaker 2: know next spring. You can't play a thirty six year

567
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Speaker 2: old one hundred and fifty five games, especially if you know,

568
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Speaker 2: top of the order got to run around a lot

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Speaker 2: in the outfield. I think, and we talked about this back,

570
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Speaker 2: you know, the last time I was on with you, Like,

571
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Speaker 2: they need to do a better job of conserving him.

572
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Speaker 2: And I get he wants as many at bats as

573
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Speaker 2: possible and for historic reasons, and I you know, that

574
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense, but he wasn't very good down the stretch,

575
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: and so all those extra at bats that he wound

576
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: up getting, they weren't very good at bats and not

577
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: hurt him too. You know, maybe if he plays fifteen

578
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: fewer games, he would have been a better player for

579
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Speaker 2: them in September, and then maybe they're still playing at

580
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Speaker 2: this point. So for me, I split leftfield and DH

581
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Speaker 2: between Alvarez and l Tuv, and I lessen the workload

582
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Speaker 2: on Altuve at this point. I just at this point,

583
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Speaker 2: he's you just can't play him one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: five games.

585
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Speaker 1: I do want to, I do want to give some

586
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt here. I think if they had

587
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Speaker 1: their druthers, they would have done exactly what you just

588
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: talked about. But by the end of it, they were

589
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: so injured, and they were to the point where, like,

590
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Speaker 1: and let's also remember Josiel Tuv was injured too. Like,

591
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Speaker 1: there were people in the ORG that were basically saying, like,

592
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Speaker 1: if if this wasn't September, he'd be on the IL

593
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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't even be a question with his right

594
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Speaker 1: foot injury towards the end of the year. So I

595
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Speaker 1: don't know how much that had to do with the

596
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: last two or three weeks have him having a right

597
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: foot injury that would have sidelined him had it been

598
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Speaker 1: the regular season. But let's also say like they they tried, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he took two hundred and eleven plate appearances

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Speaker 1: as a DH this year, like, which is more than

601
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Speaker 1: he had taken at any point in his career. And

602
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: let's also put out there that he thrived in the

603
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Speaker 1: DH role. He had an eight sixteen OPS and those

604
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: two hundred and eleven plate appearances a DH. It was

605
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: seven forty two when he was in left field, and

606
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Speaker 1: it was seven fifty nine when he was at second base.

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Speaker 1: So from what I've when I've asked Joe about this,

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Speaker 1: We've asked l Twov about this. Whether he likes dhing

609
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Speaker 1: or not, I don't know if it's personally his favorite thing.

610
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: I think he's growing to like it a little bit more.

611
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: But he's obviously taken to it because the production shows that,

612
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: like he was, he was a better hitter this year

613
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Speaker 1: out of the three positions he played. He was a

614
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Speaker 1: better hitter when he was a designated hitter. Now, the

615
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: problem is you have Jordan Alprez and you, and the

616
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: DH spot in general has been a place where whoever

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Speaker 1: the manager is a J Hinch liked to use it

618
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Speaker 1: to give other guys days off their feet. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dusty Baker did the same thing, and then Joe a spot,

620
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Speaker 1: especially with having Victor Krartini on the roster, he would

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Speaker 1: love to have that. DH kind of be a rotating thing.

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder if it could be beneficial to

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Speaker 1: maybe And this is the time where you do this,

624
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Speaker 1: because this is a time where you tell Jordan Alvarez, hey,

625
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Speaker 1: if they want to go this route, like, hey, we're

626
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Speaker 1: going to want you to play about one hundred games

627
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Speaker 1: in left field next year, like you need to go

628
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: this offseason and you need to get ready for that.

629
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Speaker 1: Or if it's you go tell Esak Paratus, hey, we're

630
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Speaker 1: going to play you at second base this year. I

631
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Speaker 1: don't think there's anybody in baseball that thinks you can

632
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: do it. You have this whole winner to figure out

633
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: how to get that done. That's why these decisions need

634
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: to be made now. Because the interesting thing, Adam, about

635
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: what they did last year with L two V. It

636
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: seemed like the left field decision came very late, and

637
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: maybe we're maybe I was just bad at my job,

638
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: Maybe we as the media were just bad that we

639
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't report it earlier. But it didn't really come out

640
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: that they were going to expose Jose al Tuove to

641
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: left field until I believe it was fan Fest, and

642
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: FanFest is usually around the second or third You usually

643
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: be in the second or third week in January, which

644
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: is in a baseball off season. That's pretty late. So

645
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: that came about pretty late. And I wonder how much that.

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00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he still had, you know, those six weeks

647
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: in spring training and then the three they yeah, almost

648
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: almost three months to learn it. But still I wonder

649
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: how much that impacted it too. But but I think

650
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: they need to make that. They need to make that

651
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: decision first with him, and then they can start talking

652
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: about all right, Paratus or Walker, Duban or Urius, like

653
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with Haes Susanchez. Then you

654
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: can start making those maybe less very consequential decisions, but

655
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: certainly less than a guy that's to face your franchise,

656
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna be your highest PAI player next year.

657
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: I want to say a Spota said that they had

658
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: brought up the left field thing to him kind of

659
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: early in the offseason. I don't think it got out though,

660
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: until Fanfast.

661
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I say, well, the only reason it got out is

662
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: because they they went around, they came back around on

663
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: Bregman when Bregman was still out there, because it was

664
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: painted as Altuve was going to be a good teammate

665
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: and moved to left field so Alex Bregman could come back.

666
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: And it certainly the way it was initially portrayed was

667
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: not the way I think by the end of it,

668
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: it really happened like like they approached Josel twov about

669
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: moving to left field before they even thought they had

670
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: a realistic chance of getting Alex Bregman back, and it

671
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: just so happened that they could use the latter to

672
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: introduce the former and make it look good.

673
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: For all involved.

674
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: Now I'm not I'm certainly not here saying that Josel

675
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Tua looked bad. I mean, he's one of the more

676
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: selfless people, selfless guys of his statue you'll ever meet.

677
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: I really think that, I really think that whatever they

678
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: tell him to do he would be open to as

679
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: long as as you alluded to earlier, they don't have

680
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: a significant cut in his at bats or his plate appearances.

681
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that he and you saw him play

682
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: left field a whole lot more than I did. I

683
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: thought he was fine. I didn't think he was great.

684
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: He's not gonna win a Gold Glove, but I thought

685
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: that he handled himself better than I think a lot

686
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: of people thought that he would. And because of that,

687
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: I think I'm more. I think that I like him

688
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: playing out there a little bit more. But that also

689
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: puts a little bit more wear and tear on the

690
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: body too when you do that. And I don't think

691
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: there is a world record on Alvarez can play one

692
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: hundred games in left field. I just don't think his

693
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: legs will be able to hold up. And I think

694
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: that why they're in a that's why they're in kind

695
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: of a tough spot, is just for that reason. Where

696
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: they're two highest they're probably their two highest paid guys

697
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: are not the because Carey is in there, but two

698
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: of their most two of their three highest paid guys

699
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: are basically second base left field DH. Those are three

700
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: non premium positions defensively, and that's a tough way to

701
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: allocate your resources.

702
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: And then I mean, if you really want to get

703
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: down to it, they're both dhs at this at this point,

704
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: like if we really want to be truthful, like they're dhs.

705
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: They're two highest the two of the three highest paid

706
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: players in their team are d yes.

707
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: And that's a tough way to go about business, right, And.

708
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's we've talked about this, like the

709
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: seven players they have coming back on guaranteed contracts are

710
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: going to account for about one hundred and sixty million

711
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: dollars of their payroll in twenty twenty six. Presuming they're

712
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: all on the roster. They combine to a crew four

713
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: wins above replacement last year, according to Baseball Reference. Those

714
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: oven guys now, Jordan Alvarez was part of it. He

715
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: only played in forty eight games. Josh Hater was part

716
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: of that. He was on the injured list for two

717
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: and a half months. But Lance mccullor's was part of

718
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: that too. We don't need to get into that. Christian

719
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: Javier was a part of that too, he didn't return

720
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: until August. Like, you hope, with maybe full health that

721
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: these guys can can up that, but they're not going anywhere.

722
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: If those seven guys come back and they get that

723
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: production from.

724
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: Those, Yeah, you're you're totally right about that. I don't know,

725
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: do you feel like they can they Do you feel

726
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: like he can play second base at this point, like

727
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: you got to see a lot of it in the

728
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: last season. Like do you think they can survive defensively

729
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: with him playing a good portion of the season at

730
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: second base.

731
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: I mean he can. They can put him out there.

732
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: They just have to understand what's going to happen, like

733
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: they have to they have to be ready for just

734
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: you can position him as well as you want. Just

735
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: his range is just not there anymore. Like he doesn't

736
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: have the range to play like he did ten years ago.

737
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, like when you start

738
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: to look at it, neither does he Sock paradis. That's

739
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: why no one in the baseball world thinks he can

740
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: play second base is because he has no range, Like

741
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't move laterally very well. That's why at third

742
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: base when he was really good at he was good

743
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: at the straight line, come in on the charging balls,

744
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and he was good if they hit if you kind

745
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: of drew a circle around hescock paradus, like a wide one,

746
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: like not a huge one. But if there was a circle,

747
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: if they hit it in the circle, he was getting

748
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: it was outside of the circle. It was tough. I

749
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: mean I think they could, but I think something you

750
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: brought up as well has to be thought about here,

751
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: like they could put him out there, but like they

752
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: also have to be cognit of what's that going to

753
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: do to his legs just from a from taking at bat.

754
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: Because all of his value is tied to his bat,

755
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: you have got to do whatever you can with jose

756
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: L Tuove to make sure his bat stays elite and

757
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: above league average. And if they think that is letting

758
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: him go stand in left field, where again all we

759
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: talked about last year, the reason they did this was

760
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: because they knew nothing would get hit to him. And

761
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: when you looked when you looked at chances among left

762
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: fielders that were qualified and that had as much out

763
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: there as alto it, he was at the bottom of

764
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: the league and chances out there, which meant he got

765
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: nothing hit to him. Now, that doesn't mean he can't

766
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: just that. That doesn't mean he can just stand there.

767
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he can just stand there and bite

768
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: his nails for nine innings. He saw us to run,

769
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: He saw us to like, you know, get to balls

770
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: in the gap. There's still movement there, but there's probably

771
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: less movement out in left field, especially at dyk In Park.

772
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: They probably want to still shield him from some bigger

773
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: outfields other places, but he moved probably a little bit

774
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: less in left field when you take it all into account,

775
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: and there's less maybe quick movements, there's less lateral movements.

776
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: It's a lot of straight line running things like that.

777
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: So I mean, yes, they could put him out there

778
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: at second base, but they would have to be ready

779
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: to live with the consequences both from the defensive side,

780
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: and you have to be ready for maybe about mid

781
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: June or July, once the games have piled up on

782
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: him to maybe wonder if it's taking an effect on

783
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: him offensively well.

784
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: And I was at that first spring training game that

785
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: he played in left field, and he played seven indies

786
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: and didn't have anything hit to him, right, So that

787
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: kind of tells you all you need to know about

788
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: the whole thing with the chances, and you're just not

789
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: going to factor into things as much when you play

790
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: left field. That's why I think left field is a

791
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: spot for.

792
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think so too, And I mean

793
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: they don't as you kind of look at what their

794
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: other options are and let's say, okay, let's say that

795
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: they have that they have the meeting and They're like,

796
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: all right, al twov is going to play most of

797
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: the time in left field. We'll give Alvarez some days

798
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: in bigger parks and we can DHL two vy. Now

799
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: you get to the endfield and you've got it. Seems

800
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: like we'll have this debate until they do something or

801
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: until someone says something otherwise. But it does seem like

802
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: you're in a spot where you're either telling Esac Paradis

803
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: you're playing second base, or you have to dangle him

804
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: in trade or dangle Christian Walker in a trade discussion

805
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: of movie SoC Paradis to first base. If you were

806
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Dana Brown, if you were Joe a spot because Joe

807
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: spots to say say here like he it's gonna be

808
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: his roster, He's gonna be He's he watches these guys.

809
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: He he understands them just as good as Dana does.

810
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: What's your move there? How do you? How do you

811
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: solve this?

812
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: So the first thing I'm asking is do we think

813
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: Christian Walker is solvagable? Like was this just a one

814
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: off thing? And do we think that we can get

815
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: his back going? Because if the answer is yes, that

816
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 2: I think I'm trying to trade escoc paradis, and if

817
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't, then I'm trying to see if I can

818
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: find somebody to take on a good portion of Christian

819
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: Walker's salary, not a good portion, but a portion of

820
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: Christian Walker's salary to kind of settle a little bit

821
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 2: of a log game that you have at first base.

822
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing I'm doing. I'm trying to

823
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm picking between Peridies and Walker, which one can I

824
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: either get something for or can I get some some

825
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: salad or relief, And then you figure out second base.

826
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: I think that I thought Arius was fine when he played.

827
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: I think Dubon is fine. The numbers for them in arbitration,

828
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: if you go by the MLB trade rumors projection is

829
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: a little high. I think I would try and get

830
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: a multi something, multi year done with Dubon, like hey,

831
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: two years, nine and a half with some incentives, because

832
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: I do think that Dubon is somebody that you want

833
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: to keep around just for him as a person. I

834
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: think that he's a good guy to have in the clubhouse.

835
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: And I just think the versatility is really important too,

836
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: where he can play seven different positions and be good

837
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: at all seven of them, and you know, He's not

838
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: a great hitter by any stretch, but he's not going

839
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: to embarrass himself up there, and he's going to at

840
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: least put the ball in play and make something happen there.

841
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: Maybe you get lucky that, you know, he has some

842
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: good batted ball luck over a stretch like he did

843
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: in twenty three. So that's what I would do. And

844
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: then I got one more thing. I would look at

845
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: the market on Brian and Brady You.

846
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: I just.

847
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: They're not going to resign him. It is a assuming

848
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: haters healthy. It is a position of it's it's not

849
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: a position of need, you know it's not. It's a

850
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: non premium position. So are they can I upgrade the

851
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: roster by using Brian and Brady You for a closer,

852
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: needy team. So those are kind of the three moves

853
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: that I'm doing at this point.

854
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: I get it. I a Bray You is probably the

855
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: non the guy of their sixteen r of eligible guys.

856
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: It's probably him and Paradus. It definitely is those two

857
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: would get you the most value back. If you're gonna

858
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: take Jeremy Panna out of it. I don't think that's

859
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: going to happen, but I've been wrong before. I think

860
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: if he had I think if Jeremy Panna had one

861
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: more year control left, I think we'd really be having

862
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: a conversation about the possibility of them trading him. I

863
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: don't think they do that with two years left, but

864
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: parat I I would if I were them. This is

865
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: my opinion. You asked, is Christian Walker salvageable? Christian Walker

866
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: slugged four eighty eight with a seven ninety nine ops

867
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: after the All Star break like he was a good hitter,

868
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: Like that is that is that is by every metric,

869
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: a good hitter in the second half. Now he's thirty

870
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: four years old, he's not getting any younger. You wonder,

871
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, was that three months of just you know,

872
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan and then he's gonna come

873
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: back at thirty five and it's gonna be it's gonna

874
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: be tough or was that something that is translatable to

875
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: next year? So I think if you ask yourself, is

876
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Christian Walker salvageable? I think he showed you the last

877
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: three months that yes, it's still in there. Like for

878
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: all the comparisons to Joseah Bray, you Joseah Bray, you

879
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: never had a stretch where his ops even flirted with

880
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: eight hundred that long of a stretch. That's a stretch

881
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: of three months after the All Star break. So, and

882
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: I do think you would get a lot lot more

883
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: in return for esac Paratus, who is going to make

884
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: around ten million dollars from according to MLB trade rumors,

885
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: and is a Super two guy, so he has another

886
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: year of team control after this one. Now, I bet

887
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: teams would wonder, why is this the fourth time he's

888
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: being traded. He's not, like, this is not a situation

889
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: where he's traded because he's a bad clubhouse guy or

890
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: because he's not well liked. I mean, they love him there,

891
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: like he's very quiet, like very good dude. Like I

892
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's a it's a character or a personality problem.

893
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: I just think he's got a lot of tools that

894
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: a lot of teams cove and he sees a lot

895
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: of pitches. He pulls the ball a lot, like, he

896
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: can play a serviceable third base, he can play serviceable

897
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: at first base. Like he just has tools that a

898
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: lot of teams covet. So to to to kind of

899
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: agree with you that that's kind of what I would

900
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: think on those two things. A Bray you you know,

901
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: Tyler brought that up the last podcast, and I tend

902
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: to agree. But I wonder if Jiner Diaz is probably

903
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: the guy that you you look to a little more

904
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to say relievers aren't valuable.

905
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: Relievers are definitely valuable. And Brian A. Brady would get you.

906
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: It would get you a nice little it would get

907
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: you some guys back. You know, you look at Guyannardiaz

908
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: like even with a bad year this year like Pop

909
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: twenty homers, if they can get the plate approach any

910
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: if you can, there would be a team out there

911
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: that thinks we can fix him or and I don't

912
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: know how much he needs to be fixed. I just

913
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: is it little stuff here and there is that Can

914
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: we maybe not catch him every day like this team

915
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: has to, because as we've talked about, this team has

916
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: two dhs, like making a boatload of money? Can we

917
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: use him at first base? Can we d h him

918
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: something like? I think he's got a lot more value.

919
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: And I think that would be the guy that if

920
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm Dana Brown and I'm Joe's Spot or Joe Spot

921
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: is not talking about trades, If I'm Dana Brown, a Bray.

922
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: You're certainly a guy that you talk about. I think

923
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: if if you can find someone to get your Diez,

924
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: who is in his first year of arbitration eligibility of

925
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: two more years after this one, I think that's a

926
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: trade that if you get the right package that can

927
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: help you both. Now you could probably get a major

928
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: league ready starting pitcher, probably get someone to help you know,

929
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: bolsteret rotation, and probably get a prospect or too that

930
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: could help your farm system.

931
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so really quick on Walker, because you know, I

932
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: know the metrics weren't great on him. Defensively, I thought

933
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: the eye test he was really good at first base.

934
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: You know, there were a couple of there were some

935
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 2: shaky moments which you're going to have. But I thought

936
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: that their infield defense was really quite good. I guess

937
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: up until the end of the season, and that's with

938
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: L two they having to play more second base than

939
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: they thought he would. I thought that he was a

940
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: big reason why their defense in the infield was so

941
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: what was as good as it was. Peretis like he's

942
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: been traded because seems have wanted him, you know, the

943
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: Cubs wanted him at the deadline. The Cubs wound up

944
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: trading him so they could get Kyle Tucker, and now

945
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: the Astros are just kind of in a position and

946
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: where they have a little bit of a glut at

947
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: the position. What you bring up with jin Or, I

948
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: think is a really good point. I when he had

949
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: his best year in twenty three, it was because he

950
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: wasn't catching every day. It was because he was dhing

951
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: a lot. And that's when Alvarez was hurt with the

952
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: I think it was the hand thing. Then at that

953
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: point the other hand thing. Yes, the first one, the

954
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: hand thing, first hand thing. But I think that when

955
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: you ask a guy to catch as much as he

956
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: was being asked, he's gonna wear it down. Like that's

957
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: he can't vote, he can't focus solely on hitting because

958
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: he's having a deal with getting pictures ready. It takes out,

959
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: it takes away your legs. That's why to me, it's

960
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: incredible what JT. Real Muto does every year because he

961
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: catches so much and is still able to contribute significantly offensively.

962
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's a bad idea. With Diaz.

963
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: You reassigned Keratini. Uh, you know, if you think Salazar

964
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: can handle the backup role, then give him, you know,

965
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: the number two catcher's job, or look outside the organization.

966
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: There's the guy who was in San Diego during the playoffs,

967
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: who hey, maybe you get a reunion with him. I'm

968
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: sure the fans would love that. So there's so there,

969
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: there's that option. But it gives you an opportunity to

970
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: add to the major league roster and also rebuild the

971
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: farm system. And I think that is also something that

972
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: is really important for them at this point because it

973
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: just hampers so much of what they could even do

974
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: at the deadline where they were limited. You know, if

975
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 2: not for Minnesota wanting to salary dump Korea, they couldn't

976
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: have done a whole lot at the deadline, like Arias

977
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: and Sanchez might have been the best that they could do.

978
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: So adding to the system makes a lot of sense.

979
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: They drafted a catcher in the first round a couple

980
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: of years ago. It seems like, you know, I don't

981
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: know what the reviews are on Walker Yanik at this point.

982
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: I think what he was in hi A at the

983
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: end of last year, so he hasn't maybe progressed as

984
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: quickly as you think that he would, But you know,

985
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: he's a first round pick for a reason, so it

986
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: would make so trading Das I think would make a

987
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: lot of sense, especially because, like you said, you could

988
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: get a pretty good haul back for him, and there

989
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 2: are other teams that would be able to use him

990
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: a little bit better than the Astros can just because

991
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: they have some more flexibility Google with their roster.

992
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Wellchreonic is in the Arizona Fall League, which is that's

993
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: a good sign that he's worthy of going to the

994
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: Arizona Fall League, which is one of the premiere, you know,

995
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: the premiere offseason destination for prospects. He did spend the

996
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: whole year at hig A Asheville Werry at a seven

997
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: sixty six ops. I did not talk to enough scouts

998
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: to know if he was good defensively or not. But

999
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: he's twenty three years old. You would think again, Like

1000
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say there's just catchers just sitting

1001
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: out there, but like you said, if they do want

1002
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: to resign, they want to bring back Victor Karattini. If

1003
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: they do that, and then you can go find a

1004
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: veteran backup catcher or a veteran not even a guy,

1005
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: because I don't think they want Karatini catching every day.

1006
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: I think you could go find a guy that there

1007
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: will be people out there that you could split duties

1008
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: with Keratini and make it like a time share, make

1009
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: it a sixty forty like or just a sign like

1010
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: Karatini's gonna catch these three starters, this other guy's gonna

1011
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: catch these two starters, and we'll just go from there.

1012
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's I think that's how most

1013
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: teams like to do it. And I think people get

1014
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: sucked in sometimes by well, he's a great hitter, you

1015
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: want a great hitting catcher. Not really, it doesn't really.

1016
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: You know, their best teams, you know in nineteen and

1017
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty one, in twenty two and twenty three,

1018
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: they were really good and they did not have a

1019
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 2: good hitting catcher. So like you can be a very

1020
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: good team and not have get a whole lot of offense

1021
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: from your catcher. So I think that Kartini and somebody

1022
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: else that's a perfect, like you said, time share at

1023
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: that position for when Yanick is ready to contribute in

1024
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: the big leagues, they have other options you don't need

1025
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: to and it also saves some money in other places too.

1026
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: Right and Jiner, No, like you just watch Diaz probably

1027
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: have the worst offensive season you'll see him have, and

1028
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: he's still pop twenty homers. He's still a threat every

1029
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: time he goes up there, Like he's only going to

1030
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: get more expensive, like, and he's his first year through

1031
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: ARB too, Like, I'm not sure he's going to be

1032
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: the guy that, like, you want to give a bunch

1033
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: of money to and like, is going to be the

1034
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: guy that you want to keep paying as the RB

1035
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: numbers go up. So I think it probably I think

1036
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: for both sides. I think for Yaner to go somewhere

1037
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: where maybe he's not forced to catch one hundred and

1038
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: ten games. He can date, you can play first base,

1039
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: he can, he can be used a little more, he

1040
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: can is they can diversify how they use him. I

1041
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: think that would help him and for the Astros, Like again,

1042
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: he's probably the most valuable trade asset that realistically they

1043
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: would think about trading because maybe I'm maybe I'm not,

1044
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: maybe I'm viewing it wrong, but I don't think you

1045
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: would get near as much for Brian to bray you

1046
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: as you know, even though you are trading yinor Diaz,

1047
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: probably when his value is probably lower than it Spending

1048
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: a while.

1049
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, because you're talking about a one inning reliever

1050
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: as opposed to an everyday player who has had some

1051
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: really good offensive seasons. And yeah, I think that that

1052
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: I would still trade a break you, but I would

1053
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: certainly just you got to see what the market is

1054
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: for Guyner, just just to see what's out there. And

1055
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 2: I think that Keratini that that's probably one of Dana

1056
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: Brown's best signings is Kartini. I think that he has

1057
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: exceeded expectations by miles from what you thought that you

1058
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: were going to get from him to the point where

1059
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: he's been one of their most valuable bats here down

1060
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, the last couple of years down the stretch.

1061
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: So it makes sense. And again, unless they're going to

1062
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: just start spending money like crazy, they need to start,

1063
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, allocating their resources a little bit better. So

1064
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 2: that's one way to do it.

1065
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it's kind of funny, you know,

1066
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Victor Carrottini before he signed with the Astros, Victor Carrottini

1067
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: had a career eighty four ops plus. Victor Carrottini in

1068
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: his two years with the Astros compiled a one oh

1069
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: five ops plus. Now that's the constant and we're bringing

1070
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: a full circle here to end this thing. You know,

1071
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: I get told that every hitter that comes to Houston

1072
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: just somehow gets fifteen times worse and it's because of

1073
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: the hitting coaches and they don't know and they need

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Speaker 1: to be able to make hitters better. But I guess

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Speaker 1: it was just Victor Carrottini just found it within himself

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Speaker 1: to be a better hitter in Houston, and the deposed

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Speaker 1: hitting coaches had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 2: It's always the players, the players when they go good,

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Speaker 2: it's all them when they go bad. Just the coaching

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Speaker 2: is awful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you said, they can't fire the players,

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Speaker 1: but who knows. They may fire some. They may fire

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Speaker 1: some this winter. They've got some decisions to make as

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Speaker 1: we just discuss, and we will continue to cover all

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Speaker 1: those decisions as they become a little more crystallized. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: been asking, like, when's the next time we're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: from people, guys. I don't envision hearing from Joe Spotta

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Speaker 1: or Dana Brown anytime soon. The next time that Dana

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Speaker 1: Brown will be at somewhere where he has to talk

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Speaker 1: is the first week in November is the GM meetings

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. I will be there, so Dana Brown

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Speaker 1: will be speaking then. So we've got about three weeks

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Speaker 1: from now and then, and I think those three weeks

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Speaker 1: are gonna be pretty I don't think Dana Brown is

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Speaker 1: gonna go to Vegas and tell us everything they're gonna do,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they're gonna have everything on their

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Speaker 1: roster settled. But they'll have these next three weeks to

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Speaker 1: kind of think and get their bearings and kind of

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Speaker 1: get a direction as to what they how they want

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Speaker 1: this offseason new because they have a lot of decisions

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Speaker 1: to make. They have a lot of fascinating crossroads to

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Speaker 1: maybe confront, and it'll start at the GM meetings in

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Speaker 1: three weeks. Until then, we will keep giving you content

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Speaker 1: here on Krush City Territory presented by Fox One as Allway.

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Speaker 1: the people where they can follow you to get all

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Speaker 1: of your insights and all of your baseball knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Just on Twitter at Adam Spalline. Nice, please do that.

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Speaker 1: Adam appreciate this. This was great. I told you I

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Speaker 1: keep you twenty thirty minutes. It kept you fifty four minutes.

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Speaker 1: That's my fault. The overtime check will be in the mail.

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Speaker 2: I have all the time in the world for you, all.

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Speaker 1: go live. Hopefully Tyler will quote unquote feel better next

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Speaker 1: week he can be back and join us. Josh Reddick

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Speaker 1: will be back next week where we'll discuss what is

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Speaker 1: next in the Astros offseason. But until then, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you later. Thanks for listening.