WEBVTT - Killer Mom Trial: “I Can’t Do It” Sobbing Lindsay Clancy Interrupts Testimony

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Thursday, August thirteen, and Lindsey Clancy once again

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<v Speaker 2>spoke at her triple murder trial. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we were supposed to hear this, and with that, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to this episode of Amy and TJ. She blurted something

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<v Speaker 2>out Robes. It was caught on hot mic. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>fair to say? But it was in the midst of

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<v Speaker 2>what was an emotional stretch for her in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, if anybody, if any of you listening, were watching

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<v Speaker 3>the trial yesterday, I bet you were crying too. It

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<v Speaker 3>was impossible not to feel the emotion with Lindsey Clancy

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<v Speaker 3>audibly sobbing, and yes, at one point she's heard on

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<v Speaker 3>the mic saying I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>This was extended. This wasn't a one minute, two minute.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a stretch of time in which they had

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<v Speaker 2>to stop the trial. The judge had to stop the

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<v Speaker 2>trial on at least two occasions. Here, Robes, Just for now,

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<v Speaker 2>we assume it was for her to compose herself. But Rhodes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's from what we can tell and reports coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of there, there's a lot of emotion in netroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, from the jury, from Lindsey Clancy's parents who are

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<v Speaker 3>sitting behind her throughout this trial. Even her defense attorney

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<v Speaker 3>had an incredibly pained expression on his face in moments

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<v Speaker 3>he was trying to comfort her, rub her back. But

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<v Speaker 3>you have this broken woman physically, mentally, emotionally sobbing, uncontrollably

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<v Speaker 3>and at times hyperventilating.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably fair to say as well. It

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<v Speaker 2>got to a point you had to stop. It was

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<v Speaker 2>too disruptive to the proceedings and roads. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what impact this has, but this was all coming at

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<v Speaker 2>the time where the testimony was from a medical examiner

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<v Speaker 2>about the condition of the kid's bodies. Okay, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go through. It's a murder trial robes

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<v Speaker 2>and you're supposed to show this stuff. I just wonder

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<v Speaker 2>what impact is this having on that jury.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's having an impact.

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<v Speaker 2>But which direction when they look across at the table

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<v Speaker 2>at her, the monster that the prosecution saying she is

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<v Speaker 2>over there. This isn't fake crying.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, No, this is like gutted, raw emotion that

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<v Speaker 3>I dare anyone who listens to it or sees it

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<v Speaker 3>to not feel something just in your soul.

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<v Speaker 1>But is anyone looking at robes.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it possible a couple of jurors are looking at

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<v Speaker 2>that and shaking their heads at her and like, whatever, lady,

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<v Speaker 2>you killed your kids. Don't sit over there and cry. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anyone? It's possible because that is exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution is expecting of this jury and would have

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<v Speaker 2>to expect of this jury to get the conviction they want.

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<v Speaker 2>You would have to look at her and go whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>After you hear witness after witness after witness talk about

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<v Speaker 3>what a wonderful mom she was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the case the prosecutions.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, I don't know. I just know how I

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<v Speaker 3>felt watching her, how I felt hearing her. It was

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, This was stunning stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>This is some we have to and I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>have to roll.

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<v Speaker 2>If this was a regular, if you will murder trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and you had somebody on trial without the insanity part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, you would have to go through all these steps.

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<v Speaker 2>You would have to go through and show what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to the bodies, show the condition and the brutality and

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<v Speaker 2>all that you would have to. I guess the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>is just carrying on in that manner.

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<v Speaker 3>Oo. But man, we were even looking at the prosecutors

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<v Speaker 3>while all of this emotions going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Just stonefaced barely even glanced over at the defense table.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that I ever saw them even look

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<v Speaker 3>her way.

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<v Speaker 1>Look.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that obviously is the big headline that came

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<v Speaker 3>out of Wednesday's testimony. But yes, two medical examiners took

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<v Speaker 3>the stand. There were six witnesses total, and we can

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<v Speaker 3>go over some of the other witnesses. The final two

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<v Speaker 3>witnesses were the medical examiners, and of course that is

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<v Speaker 3>when all of the emotion came out. A couple of

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<v Speaker 3>other interesting bits did, though, get presented in court yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>A police detective, Sergeant Dan Lawler, was on the stand.

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<v Speaker 3>He was an evidence officer. He collected evidence from the

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<v Speaker 3>Clancy home, including some of her clothing, inventoried pill bottles,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was one of the officers posted outside of

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay's hospital room after the killings. Right, so it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of seemed like there wasn't a lot going on, like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of going through the defense on cross examination

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<v Speaker 3>started pointing out that he used to work at the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutor's office, got him to admit that there was blood

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<v Speaker 3>on her clothing on the floor on the mirror on

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<v Speaker 3>the window. But then all of a sudden, boom, there's

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<v Speaker 3>an animated sidebar and then suddenly the jury is excused

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<v Speaker 3>and a hearing is called and the voideer Sergeant Lawler,

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<v Speaker 3>and here he was eventually allowed to testify about this.

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<v Speaker 3>But this was interesting first time I've heard that. We've

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<v Speaker 3>heard that there was a prosecutor theory that while Lindsey

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<v Speaker 3>Clancy in those first days after the killings, had one

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<v Speaker 3>of her doctors come in and let her use her

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<v Speaker 3>cell phone to call Patrick, and that one of the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutor's theories was that the doctor told Lindsay to tell

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick she heard voices, and so that was what the

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<v Speaker 3>defense got him to admit that that was a possible theory,

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<v Speaker 3>but then got him to also testify and from jury

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<v Speaker 3>that he heard nothing that took place between the doctor

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<v Speaker 3>and Lindsay. So we just I hadn't heard that way before.

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<v Speaker 2>The point of this was to just trip up this witness,

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<v Speaker 2>to discredit the witness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, to also try to discredit this theory that

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution was potentially trying to put out there, that

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<v Speaker 3>potentially a doctor put the idea into Lindsay's head that

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<v Speaker 3>she could claim that she was insane by saying she

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<v Speaker 3>heard voices. And look, the defense got him to fully

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<v Speaker 3>admit that, yes, that was a theory he heard from

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<v Speaker 3>another trooper, but that he was the guy outside the

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<v Speaker 3>room and he never heard that happen. So they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to debunk a potential theory that they think the prosecution

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<v Speaker 3>is trying to put together.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know that got so worked up, Like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>an animated sidebar, and there have been a lot of sidebars.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so many sidebars. But yeah, that actually went into

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<v Speaker 3>a full on private hearing. So he gets off the

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<v Speaker 3>stand and then they have a perinatal clinician, her name

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<v Speaker 3>is Letitia Dukes, come up on the stand and look,

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<v Speaker 3>her basic thing is she saw Lindsay Clancy, I believe

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<v Speaker 3>four times. And what we've seen from so many other

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<v Speaker 3>medical professionals who were caring for Lindsay Clancy over this

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<v Speaker 3>time that yes, she said there was anxiety, lack of sleep,

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts of wanting to die, concerns about maybe misuse of adavan.

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<v Speaker 3>But she testified there were no tears, no sadness, no

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<v Speaker 3>signs of mania, no signs of psychosis, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>in one visit said she was smiling, laughing, and seemingly

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<v Speaker 3>enjoying time with the family. So you understand why the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution wanted to put her up. But the defense did

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<v Speaker 3>get to have her admit on cross examination that yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there were numerous times when Lindsay was expressing suicidal thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny both sides get up and have the witness

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<v Speaker 2>just give the part that helps.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, Yeah, and the kind of cancel each other out

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what that witness was for me. She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't help one way or another time.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe so either. And like there was another

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<v Speaker 3>police officer who was there during her hospital stay, didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really add anything. There was only a few questions from

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<v Speaker 3>either side, kind of confused why he was even up there.

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<v Speaker 3>Superintendent at the Sheriff's department was just verifying certain documents.

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<v Speaker 3>The defense didn't ask any questions. So now we get

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<v Speaker 3>to the meat and the heart of what happened yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>with those two medical examiners, first Renee Stonebridge and then

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Barbara Olsen. And in both of these women's testimony,

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<v Speaker 3>this is where these breaks had to take place because

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay Clancy was sobbing, sobbing into her hands. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine this first medical examiner is describing the damage to

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<v Speaker 3>their eyes and their brains from strangulation, Cora and Dawson.

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<v Speaker 3>That is just unimaginable to hear that being described, and

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<v Speaker 3>then putting up and putting into evidence the photos of

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<v Speaker 3>five year old Cora and three year old Dawson. Now

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<v Speaker 3>the media didn't get to see it, but the jurors

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<v Speaker 3>had to look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to remember at any point during the medical

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<v Speaker 2>examine or testimony where she had a stretch of time

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<v Speaker 2>where her head was up, where she was actually looking

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<v Speaker 2>at or paying attention. Her head literally was down on

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<v Speaker 2>that table, and other times it was in her hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did you see her look up at all during

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<v Speaker 3>this time? Anyway, we as we were talking about at

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<v Speaker 3>the top, she starts sobbing so much that the judge

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<v Speaker 3>has to call a break, and so when the jury

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<v Speaker 3>comes back, he actually has to go through this whole

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<v Speaker 3>process of explaining why they can't let their emotions were

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<v Speaker 3>their judgment.

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<v Speaker 2>He's given this instruction several times in this case. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was this is the third full week, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many more times we got to

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<v Speaker 2>hear it. I swear he's given it multreemptively, and he

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<v Speaker 2>has had to give it after you've seen episodes like

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>What impact is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What is this doing to a juror what is this

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<v Speaker 2>doing you were you were watching these pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>You're crying, You're looking over at the roll. She is shaking.

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<v Speaker 2>She is over that like you say, hey, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you call an anxiety panic attack?

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<v Speaker 3>You hyper? Yeah, and that it did seem like a

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<v Speaker 3>panic attack.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're watching that.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're there, human beings, judge, he know that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't help with the emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>You're watching that. You're here this the hearing like hearing

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<v Speaker 3>her audibly. I mean it was a painful, gutted sobbing

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<v Speaker 3>over to the side. And meanwhile, you're listening to a

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<v Speaker 3>medical examiner describe how a person dies of strangulation and

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<v Speaker 3>how painful the process is and how long it takes

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<v Speaker 3>to die. She's describing how Dawson had more hemorrhaging than

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<v Speaker 3>Kora did because he may have struggled more or Lindsay

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<v Speaker 3>may have applied more pressure on the ligature. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you're hearing these awful, awful things and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 3>a mother who is just having a full blown sobbing attack.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you get through that hours of that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that was just excruciating.

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<v Speaker 2>But again they are being I don't know how the

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<v Speaker 2>jury feels about them having to see stuff that nobody

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<v Speaker 2>is taking issue with. We know the kids are dead,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that she strangled them. Can we please argue

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<v Speaker 2>about what we're arguing about the point of the argument, Robes,

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<v Speaker 2>how is it helped or hurt? Right with these pictures? Again, Babe,

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<v Speaker 2>from the prosecution standpoint, this is just a murder case.

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<v Speaker 2>This ain't about what was in her head. This is

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<v Speaker 2>murder and look at how she murdered these babes. When

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<v Speaker 2>you take it that way, Robes is I guess it's

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<v Speaker 2>the standard.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what you're supposed to do. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>do and to get into evidence. They need to have

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<v Speaker 2>it when they go back in the jury room. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>but how are you looking at a picture of a

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<v Speaker 2>strangled three year old to help you decide whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not mama was crazy? And again I use the word

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<v Speaker 2>crazy loosely, but that's what we're talking about here, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about she was out of her mind with psychosis. I

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<v Speaker 2>am missing it. I'm sure it's a value, but please

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<v Speaker 2>do tell me, if you have this already, how those pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>how we're making a decision about her sanity by looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the pictures of the string to tell me she

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<v Speaker 2>was sane or was?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that. All I can imagine is that the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution is trying to show the viciousness of the crime

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<v Speaker 3>just by the bruising, talking about the bruising and the

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<v Speaker 3>hemorrhaging and what happened to the baby's brain and their eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to show just how cruel and vicious this

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<v Speaker 3>action was, and it was and by the woman who, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to hear it, but this is what she did.

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<v Speaker 3>And I that's all I can figure. But how that

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<v Speaker 3>is being interpreted by the jury is something we don't

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<v Speaker 3>know yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is something Yes, the prosecutor is doing the job,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what they have to do getting it into evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>but Robes is also not helping or didn't help. And

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<v Speaker 2>we gave the photographer whoever's behind the camera credit. He

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<v Speaker 2>has been trained on the defense table. I say, he is,

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<v Speaker 2>you could could be she in there, but this person

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<v Speaker 2>is trained on that table because so much action is

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<v Speaker 2>taking place, and robes. The defense attorney was making points

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<v Speaker 2>as these folks were actually testifying because robes he might

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<v Speaker 2>have been expressing when a lot of jurors were feeling

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Move on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was frustrated, and at one point there was

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<v Speaker 3>several objections. At one point he is like, it's obvious

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<v Speaker 3>what she wants, like, we know what she's getting at,

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<v Speaker 3>we know what you're saying. You can move on. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he was very frustrated. I saw him with his hands

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<v Speaker 3>like yeah, you know, his tapping his fingers, like he

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<v Speaker 3>was so uncomfortable, and it wasn't performative. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't even imagine his role in all of this, and

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<v Speaker 3>his client right there is absolutely unlike out of control

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<v Speaker 3>and is in so much visible and audible pain, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was so uncomfortable and he was so frustrated with

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<v Speaker 3>the process that it went on for as long as

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<v Speaker 3>it did. That you had two separate medical examiners testifying,

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<v Speaker 3>and it wasn't over the top, but his tension was palpable,

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<v Speaker 3>like and we're watching it from a screen, imagine being

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<v Speaker 3>in the room and how much more real and present

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<v Speaker 3>that energy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was authentic. He was You could feel his you

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<v Speaker 2>could feel he was just ready to just explode. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we please, like, what are you? Can we please get

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<v Speaker 2>through all these things we've already agreed to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's put his hand on her back and he

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<v Speaker 2>comforted her plenty throughout that testimony yesterday. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>right I know at least one of them he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think he crossed examit either. One of

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<v Speaker 2>these medical examiners that not.

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<v Speaker 3>A single question he did not. And when we come back,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to tell you what the judge left the

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<v Speaker 3>jurors with at the end of that unbelievably emotional day

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<v Speaker 3>and what we can expect today. Welcome back everyone to

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<v Speaker 3>Amy and TJ. We are talking about, Ooh, a really

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<v Speaker 3>tough day in court on Wednesday in the Lindsay Clancy

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<v Speaker 3>triple murder trial, with Lindsay Clancy barely able to control herself. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>she wasn't able to control herself. The court had to

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<v Speaker 3>be recessed multiple times because truly it was just it

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<v Speaker 3>was too uncomfortable for everyone in that courtroom to hear

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<v Speaker 3>and see and process the testimony on the autopsies of

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay Clancy's two oldest kids, who were five and three,

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<v Speaker 3>and at the same time be watching and listening to

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay Clancy crying, sobbing, heaving, hyperventilating, and at one point, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>saying I can't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>She was there was there was a soundtrack of sobbing

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<v Speaker 2>underneath the medical examiner testimony about these little kids' bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to stop. It was disruptive, You couldn't pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to what the testimony was. He had to stop it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he had to stop it twice in

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<v Speaker 2>relatively short time span, right, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>It was within a like fifteen twenty minutes. She just

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<v Speaker 3>could not she could not pull herself together. And eventually, man,

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<v Speaker 3>when court was adjourned, the judge had one because we said,

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of all this, he talked to them

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<v Speaker 3>about not letting emotions sway their decisions or their verdict

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<v Speaker 3>can't be based on feelings of sympathy or anger. So

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's working towards the defense's benefit or towards the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutions benefit, who knows if it's a listening anger or

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<v Speaker 3>if it's a listening sympathy. Maybe it's a listening both.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's saying those feelings you're feeling, taking this all

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<v Speaker 3>in and hearing and seeing what you're seeing cannot affect

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<v Speaker 3>your verdict. But I would just as a human, how

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<v Speaker 3>could it not? How could that not? How could that

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<v Speaker 3>not have an impact on how you feel about what

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<v Speaker 3>you're listening to in terms of testimony, because the facts

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<v Speaker 3>are she killed them, and you're supposed to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not she was insane. What you're hearing and seeing,

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<v Speaker 3>and even what you're hearing and seeing in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>her reaction, I would think still affect your opinion about

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not she was out of her mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Which way? Which way does it sway?

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<v Speaker 2>You are you looking at a one who's remorseful because

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<v Speaker 2>she is very aware of what she did, or looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it the opposite that this woman clearly is now

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<v Speaker 2>in her right mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fascinating. So here's what the judge told the jurors

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<v Speaker 3>before they left. He told them that they should get

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<v Speaker 3>the case out of their heads and during this recess

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<v Speaker 3>just have a reset. But I don't know. You walk

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<v Speaker 3>away as a juror from a day like that, back

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<v Speaker 3>to your probably busy life with your kids and your family,

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<v Speaker 3>and you got to make dinner whatever. I was just

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<v Speaker 3>imagining what that has to be like for them. This

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<v Speaker 3>is for many folks sitting there. There are eighteen of them,

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<v Speaker 3>twelve of them women. This might be the first time

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<v Speaker 3>they've ever watched a court trial or actually seen a

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<v Speaker 3>case like this close up. How do you not take

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<v Speaker 3>that home with you? I just thought that was so interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>He told them to get the case out of their heads.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how, and then I suppose it is

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<v Speaker 2>it right?

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<v Speaker 3>So they can't go home and tell her. I would

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<v Speaker 3>come home and tell you, that's ridiculous. There's no way

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have to, like from a mental health perspective, I

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<v Speaker 3>would have to come home and go, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I got to tell you what happened today, Like you

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<v Speaker 3>just you'd have to get it off your chest. You'd

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<v Speaker 3>have to tell someone how you're feeling. Expect you to

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<v Speaker 3>keep those emotions inside. Energy is transferable, and the energy

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<v Speaker 3>in that courtroom was untenable, and you have to get

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<v Speaker 3>that out. I just I thought that was so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand why he told them that, but it just

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<v Speaker 3>seemed like an impossible task to tell eighteen people, many

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<v Speaker 3>of whom are parents themselves, how do you look at

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<v Speaker 3>your children when you go home? You know from court

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<v Speaker 3>that day you hug them a little tighter, You're a

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<v Speaker 3>little kinder, you're a little more loving. I imagine all

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<v Speaker 3>of that's probably going on. But today the judge told

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<v Speaker 3>jurors to expect a similar day. Nine to four is

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<v Speaker 3>what they went yesterday. So that's about what we're expecting today.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, last week they said, hey, prosecution might be

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<v Speaker 3>wrapped up Monday, Tuesday. Well here we are Thursday with

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<v Speaker 3>expecting another full day of testimony by the prosecution. But

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<v Speaker 3>we are told they are close to arresting. We just

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<v Speaker 3>don't know exactly when that may be. We of course

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<v Speaker 3>will be watching once again today and by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>if you've got a computer screen nearby, it is absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>worth a watch. This has been fascinating each and every

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<v Speaker 3>day for different reasons, but we will always keep you updated.

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<v Speaker 3>We appreciate you. I made me wrote back alongside TJ. Holmes.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk so