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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom never told you. From how stupports

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Christman

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And today on the show it's two

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Speaker 1: pale white girls talking about tanning. That's right. My whole

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Speaker 1: life I have been blindingly white. Um My Scottish Irish

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Speaker 1: heritage would have it no other way. I am so

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Speaker 1: white that a few years ago, I say a few

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Speaker 1: it's probably like fifteen or ten years ago, my friend's

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Speaker 1: mother saw me in a bathing suit and said, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: you are glowing. And she didn't say this because I

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Speaker 1: was pregnant. She you know, thank god, she said it

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Speaker 1: because I was so white and standing in the sun.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like she really had a way with words. She

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Speaker 1: really did. Uh. And so I have since then, not

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Speaker 1: because of that, but just over the course of my life.

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Speaker 1: Every summer I buy tanning creams. Uh. Not because of

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Speaker 1: the mom, No, not because of her. That was just

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Speaker 1: like a part of what I already knew, Kristen, which

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Speaker 1: is that I'm blinding. When you put me in the sun,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a mirror. I'm like a reflective surface, just

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Speaker 1: beaming light back into space. I mean that sounds kind

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Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah, I'm it's basically my superpower. And so

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Speaker 1: I have tried out many a tanning cream and I

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Speaker 1: think I prefer, honestly, like good old Jurgen's, like the

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Speaker 1: lotion that you used to build up a gradual tan. Listen,

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Speaker 1: don't lose your superpower, though, Caroline. I mean you could

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Speaker 1: be blinding street harassers left and right. Someone whistles or

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Speaker 1: honks that you you just rip off your shirt. Look

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Speaker 1: at my forearm. So a few weeks ago, I debuted

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Speaker 1: my spring legs in public for the first time, and

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Speaker 1: I thought for I debated it all day in my head.

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Speaker 1: And this is a little embarrassing to admit whether I

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Speaker 1: should take an Instagram photo or not just to share

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Speaker 1: with the world, because it was truly astonishing. That's how

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Speaker 1: I feel every year looking at myself in the mirror.

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Speaker 1: This is this is truly astonishing. Um, I got my

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Speaker 1: first spray tan ever last year. Do tell you and

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Speaker 1: I were on our way to New York to have

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Speaker 1: our pictures taken in our underwear. Oh my gosh, dont

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Speaker 1: we sounds so glamorous, scare a lot or creepy, But

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Speaker 1: this was for dear Kate underwear and I got a

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Speaker 1: spray tan, but I made sure, because I am so pasty,

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Speaker 1: not to go very dark. I specifically requested like a

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Speaker 1: light honey hued spray tan, just to make sure that

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Speaker 1: I didn't like blend in with the white background of

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Speaker 1: the photo shoot, just so that I actually stood out,

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Speaker 1: so we didn't just look like a floating tank top

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Speaker 1: like floating bangs. Tank top and underpants. Again, it sounds

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Speaker 1: pretty cool the way you describe this, but yeah, but

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Speaker 1: but I was conscious of I don't want to look

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Speaker 1: fake or tacky. I want to look like a nice, honey, huge,

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Speaker 1: sun tanned, happy, healthy version of myself. And it looked great. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: But I have a question. It might be t m I.

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Speaker 1: I've got a question for you about your spray tan experience. Yes,

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Speaker 1: was it one of those spray tan salons where you

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Speaker 1: have to get completely naked and the person sprays you

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Speaker 1: by hand, ma'am? What was that like? And did they

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Speaker 1: on your rear make you bend over? Oh? No, yes

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Speaker 1: and no. Um, so I didn't get fully naked or naked,

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Speaker 1: but I wasn't up to anything, so it's really just

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Speaker 1: snake it. Um. I stripped down to my underpants and

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Speaker 1: bloomers and a and a very very nice, very nice

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Speaker 1: young woman, uh, sprayed me and you know, I have

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Speaker 1: airport and instead of you're not like bending all the

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Speaker 1: way over. I'm not going to make a bad joke. Um,

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Speaker 1: knew you were twerking and it just got so awkward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was, Yeah, you forgot where you were, I know,

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Speaker 1: like I always do. So we have so much to

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Speaker 1: talk about in this standing episode because listeners, we're not

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Speaker 1: just going to talk about how you get a tan

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Speaker 1: and melanoma risks and things like that, because we have

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Speaker 1: talked about skin cancer and tanning on the podcast before,

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Speaker 1: but in this episode, we really want to dig into

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Speaker 1: more of the cultural aspects of it. Why it's popular,

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Speaker 1: especially for pascy skinned white ladies like myself and and you.

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Speaker 1: But really, I mean, like I'm I'm in that glove too, uh,

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Speaker 1: embedded in our whole tanning culture because I mean, forever

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Speaker 1: last about century that we've started seeing this kind of

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Speaker 1: cycle of no tanning is prettier, No paleness is prettier,

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Speaker 1: have pale beauty, but then in like the nineties and

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Speaker 1: we were growing up, you also had hypertan Britney Spears,

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Speaker 1: you had Christina Aguilera who was hypertan. Yeah, I went

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Speaker 1: of high school, like regularly. Yes, I got real basic

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Speaker 1: that year. I'm just saying, But now, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: seems like and I mean, I guess it depends on

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Speaker 1: social group, what is considered most attractive and normal. It

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Speaker 1: depends on the magazines and media you consume what's considered

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Speaker 1: most attractive and beautiful. But I feel like you've got

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Speaker 1: some people who want to achieve the you know, Jessica

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Speaker 1: it's her literal skin color. And then you've got other

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Speaker 1: people who look at you know, super translucent high fashion models,

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Speaker 1: and that's more what they aspire to now, Yeah, be honest.

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Speaker 1: So Caroline, before we came into the podcast studio, you

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Speaker 1: are arguing that the Jessica, Alba, Beyonce, Kim Kardashian, who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, these are all like wildly different skin tones,

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Speaker 1: but that the more honey huge look, as it would

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Speaker 1: be described, is the in look. Now. Yes, And as

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Speaker 1: we talked about it, I think it's like I was saying,

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Speaker 1: I think it depends on what is normal and beautiful

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Speaker 1: around you. So for instance, depending on, like I said,

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Speaker 1: normalizes whatever the beauty standard is. Um. But also it

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Speaker 1: looks like it depends on age groups too, as we'll

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Speaker 1: are in sororities, which is really interesting. So this could

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Speaker 1: be just an issue like achieving color wise of different

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Speaker 1: if they are, I'm a little concerned about them, to

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Speaker 1: be completely honest. Yeah, yes, do you have people who

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Speaker 1: It also speaks to a lot of privilege too that

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into, because it's not like Beyonce

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Speaker 1: It's not like this is just for white sorority girls

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Speaker 1: hasn't always been like that for black women either. In general.

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Speaker 1: in the summer, I want to get bronze too. This

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Speaker 1: Like the headline is usually in all caps, Yes, black

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Speaker 1: women do tan and we can get tann. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's even this notion that African Americans aren't even capable

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Speaker 1: really quickly to black women tanning for a minute, because

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Speaker 1: this definitely is going to tie into our next podcast,

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Speaker 1: which is all about colorism. Um. In a having in

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Speaker 1: post blog about yes black girls also tan, Melissa Henderson

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Speaker 1: of people. It's just putting colorism in another category, letting

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Speaker 1: other morals take precedence in one's life. So whether you

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Speaker 1: Aidolf wind House earning the Nobel Prize in chemistry for

425
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Speaker 1: linking vitamin D with Ricketts treatment. And I mean sunlight

426
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: was seen as a preventive measure. Two kids were sent

427
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: to preventoriums. I love it, I know, I want to go,

428
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: which were institutions that provided sit kiddos with good food,

429
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: fresh air, and sunlight, like I do want to go

430
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: to there. So they basically sent them to summer camp,

431
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: but fancier and more relaxing, no color wars, and good

432
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: less pressure than having to like swim the lifeline. Um,

433
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: let's bring back the preventorium. I'm dude, I'm all for it,

434
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: which really just sounds like I need to build a

435
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: greenhouse outside of the office and gets sitting it for

436
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: a couple of hours in order some pizza. Right, totally

437
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: take my lactaid first. In nineteen thirty eight, Herman Bundieson,

438
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: who was the president of the Chicago Board of Health,

439
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: really emphasized how important sunlight was for children. Uh He said,

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00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: no deficiencies that developing children are of greater significance than

441
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: those caused by lack of sunlight. I would argue there

442
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: are some bigger problems that kids could face, But now

443
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: just sunlight Caroline Ah. He continued on. He said, when

444
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: it shines on a child, it helps his bones and

445
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: teeth to form properly and promotes the quality and circulation

446
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: of his blood. The sun bath is just as important

447
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: as the water bath, which reminds me of our Betty

448
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: Page episode because Betty Page was such a fan of

449
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: uh sun baths in the news. Yes, well, and that

450
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: does kind of tie into our next fact about how

451
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: sunlight starts becoming prescribed as treatments for all kinds of

452
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: things including anemia, syphilis, heart disease, cancer which little ironic there,

453
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: stomach problems, and also issues with hormones, arthritis, skin, and

454
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: vagina's And I'm just wondering what the exact heliotherapy prescription

455
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: would be for your vagina. Yeah, you can't use the

456
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: phrase where the sun don't shine anymore? Yeah, because it's like,

457
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: do you do you try to get sunlight on the

458
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: vagina because that would be hard because I think they

459
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: mean volva And I just have a lot of questions now.

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00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I Yeah, when you talk about solving gynecological problems with

461
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: the sun, what exactly are you referring to just put

462
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: you volva under a heat lamp, all your problems will

463
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: go away. Uh, but you know, not everybody was on board.

464
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: The New England Journal of Medicine in night their editors

465
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: reviewed the book Ultra Violet Raise in the Treatment and

466
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: Cure of Disease and they dismissed it as really nothing

467
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: more than a giant ad for UV lamps and said

468
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: that they hoped the quote unquote lady did not get

469
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: their hands on it. But any concerns regarding skin cancer

470
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: at this time, we're ignored. Any concerns about this stuff

471
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: just being a bunch of fancy snake oil, We're ignored.

472
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: And all were outweighed by the perceived benefits. Oh yeah,

473
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: esteemed medical journal The Lancet declared in nineteen the face

474
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: browned by the sun is regarded as an index of health.

475
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: And note though, I mean like we can, you can

476
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: peel apart so many layers in just in that statement

477
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: of the face browned by the sun is good, not

478
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: face if you're born with the brown face not so good. Yeah,

479
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: the face browned by genetics, that was not They didn't

480
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: include that. So therefore you get a tan that means

481
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: you're in good health, which means you're beautiful. Yeah. And

482
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: speaking of beauty, we gotta get over to fashion and

483
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: hop to the lady who, in pretty much any popular

484
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: history of tanning that you read, will be cited as

485
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: the one responsible for getting us all to the b

486
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: each and sun burning ourselves. Accidentally, that's Coco Chanel, of course. Yeah,

487
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: she of the tweed and pearls and Nazi sympathizing. True. Yeah,

488
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: that's everything you love is problematic. Um. In nineteen twenty nine,

489
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: miss Chanelle caught a little bit too much sun while

490
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: cruising around the French riviera. As you do, as you do,

491
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: you can't help it, and her take on it shrug.

492
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: A girl simply has to be tan, and a golden

493
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: tan is the index of chic. And we were looking

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00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: at a study that analyzed ads and articles in Harper's

495
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Bazar and Vogue, and it was astonishing to see the

496
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: upswing just between like nineteen seven and nineteen twenty nine

497
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: and the number of tanning related ads and also tanning

498
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: related articles. UM. Back in nine three, Vogue advertised its

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00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: first tanning lamp, but those kind of ads were really

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: few and far. But tween until that pivotal moment. In

501
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: for instance, that same year, British Vogue declared, pay attention, Carol, Okay,

502
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: this is the backless age. There is no single smarter

503
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: gesture than to have every low backed costume cut exactly

504
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: on the same lines, so that each one makes a

505
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: perfect frame for a smooth brown back. M hmm, yeah, well,

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00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean swimsuits. Are they talking about clothes or swimsuits?

507
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think they're just saying, like,

508
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: avoid tan lines and and get get a tan you

509
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: pasty white jerks. I mean because I asked that because

510
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: over the course of the twenties and thirties we have

511
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: stats people swimsuits were shrinking. Skin exposure jumped from eight

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00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: percent for women for men to a scandalous of the

513
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: skin expose. Man, I would it be nice if swimsuits

514
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: still just revealed for scent of our skin. So the

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00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: same year British Vogue declared the backless age, don't you know,

516
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: American Vogue had a four page spread describing clothes, makeup

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00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: and accessories to best show off tanned skin. And they said,

518
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: from a chic note, sunburn became a trend, then an

519
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: established fashion and now the entire feminine world is sunburned conscious. Yeah. Similarly,

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00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: in the same year, June Harper's Bizarre had an issue

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00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: titled shall We Gild the Lily, which began with the assertion,

522
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: there is no doubt about it, if you haven't a

523
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: tanned look about you, you aren't part of the rage

524
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: of the moment. Well, and who is the audience for

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00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: these magazines? Wealthy white women, women who can afford to

526
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: change out their fashion, go to the beach or wherever

527
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: they might be to have the rage of the moment look.

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: And it really only increases as people have more disposable income.

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00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean, the tanning fat is really inextricably linked with

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00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: socio economics. Yeah, but I mean again, the people who

531
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: are reading these high fashion magazines, being those fair skinned,

532
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: hooper class white ladies, are the ones who shouldn't be

533
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: unprotected in the sun. And so at this time, the

534
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: same time that we're seeing this backless trend, in this

535
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: tanning trend take off, we're also collecting growing evidence in

536
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: the medical community that UV radiation leads to tumor growth

537
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: in animals. And you get more studies that associate UV

538
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: rays with skin cancer in humans, and by the we're

539
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: seeing this huge increase in melanoma, which continues to rise

540
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: throughout the twentieth century, and non melanoma skin cancer becomes

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00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: the most common cancer in the world in the twentieth century.

542
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: But that doesn't stop anyone from getting out in the sun. Yeah,

543
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, because who doesn't want to be the rage

544
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: of the moment? I mean that weighed against cancer. I mean,

545
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: come on, I think that. I think Vogue wins. Obviously

546
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: you gotta die of something, right, Oh god, this podcast

547
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: just got so bleak. Yeah, totally. So let's go to

548
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: France for paid vacation UM. France introduced paid vacations in

549
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: the thirties and by the forties this had spread and

550
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: you see increased travel, outdoor activities and pop culture that's

551
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: even more favorable to tanning and also revealing clothes and swimsuits.

552
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: And you probably see this permeating pop culture as well,

553
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: whether it's films that take place on the beach and

554
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: showmen and women around pools being glamorous in their swimsuits.

555
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: UM or of course you know you have your your

556
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: fashion magazines are teaching you exactly how you should look

557
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: well in NTE. Hello, war fabric rations meant that women

558
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: swimwear had to shrink by ten per cent. And this

559
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: swimsuit shrinkage opens the door to something you and I

560
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: have talked about on the podcast before, Kristen, the eventual

561
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: invention of the bikini in nine which this leaves eighty

562
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: percent of your skin open to the sun, and so

563
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: you've got so much more skin to tan, so many

564
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: more outfits to feature all of that non genetic brown skin.

565
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: And listen, during World War Two, ladies were busy. Rose

566
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: of the riveters didn't necessarily have time to go to

567
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: the beach and go get a tan directly from the sun.

568
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: So during the war, women would actually rely on tea

569
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: bags to stain their skin. And apparently in Britain there

570
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: was some marmite ish sounding paste or bullion that they

571
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: would use. They would so their legs in that people soup,

572
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: people soup, We're just making people soup. They soak their legs,

573
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: legs and soil and green and no, it just sounds

574
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: like let's fill up the hot tub, throw in some

575
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: boolly on cubes and let's all go for a soak. Yeah,

576
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: it's horrifying. Again, this podcast got so dark. Yeah, exactly panning.

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00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: So in the fifties, though in the in the post

578
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: World War two era, we're like, hey, the g I

579
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: s are coming home. You probably already have a tan

580
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: because you've been outside a lot. But let's let's replicate

581
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: that trenched tan. Yes, you have man tan in the fifties,

582
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: which is the first commercially available self tanner, I believe

583
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: for men, especially designed for men, which especially designed is

584
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: in quotes because it's probably the exact same thing is

585
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: what was being sold to women, but maybe smelled differently. Um,

586
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: and it promised to be moisturizing and long lasting. Yeah,

587
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: it just smells like pine trees and cigarettes. It's like

588
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Don Draper's office oppression. Uh. Well, by the nineteen sixties,

589
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, we we've we've seen the subtext here is

590
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: the rising middle class, the rise of leisure, the rise

591
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: of vacations, and so by the nineteen sixties people have

592
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: enough money to enjoy color films so you better look good,

593
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: and commercial air travel, and by the seventies the world

594
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: economy was tanking thanks war. Uh. Sunless tanning really takes

595
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: the place of all of those Mediterranean vacations that people

596
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: in Europe, specifically we're taking nineteen seventy eight tanning beds

597
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: get introduced, and the first one, which I never knew

598
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: in the US, opens in Arkansas. Walmart and tanning beds.

599
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: Oh Arkansas listeners. Hey, And if you jumped to nine

600
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: eight one, you've got about ten new tanning centers opening

601
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: in the US each week. By in the US alone,

602
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: you have eighteen thous and tanning centers. Oh yeah, that's

603
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: a lot of tanning. And typically, like nowadays, you look

604
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: around and tanning there they are next to Walmarts. You've

605
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: got like a Walmart in a nail place and a

606
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: tanning place and a radio shack. Oh the radio shack.

607
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: I like my dad, I think there's some still open. Okay,

608
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: because Chad goes there. Someone let us know about radio shack. Um. Yeah.

609
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: Growing up in a college town, there were tanning salons

610
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. But I feel like now Caroline, where we

611
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: are in town in Atlanta, were likelier to see more

612
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: spray tan outlets than we are tanning bed spots or

613
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: places that do both. Yeah, I don't know, I'm just

614
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: kind of talking well, I mean, I think I don't

615
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: know from what I've observed in kind of bougier neighborhoods

616
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: you're likely to see spray tan. Yeah, well, I mean

617
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: more class issues that we can dive into. It doesn't

618
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: stop people, It don't stop you can't. Sunscreen won't protect

619
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: you against the rest of this episode. Yes, because we're

620
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: not done in the nineteen eighties. You've got all of

621
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: that glamorous, like eighties crazy makeup, which includes a lot

622
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: of Bronzers. So the popularity of bronzers economic boom times

623
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: mean people are taking those glamorous beach getaway packages, which

624
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: essentially means that tanning remains a necessity through the next

625
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: couple of decades. And by the two thousand, uh British

626
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: people in a survey, fifty percent of them said that

627
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: getting a tan was the most important reason for going

628
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: on vacation. Oh yeah, I mean I remember so well,

629
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: just laying out on my parents patio because we didn't

630
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: have a pool membership, and just sweating and sweating and

631
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: sweating and trying to enjoy it. I remember reading The

632
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Unabridged lamb Is one summer because it was reading for

633
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: my English class, Humble Bragg, and just baking myself outside. Yeah, well,

634
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Speaker 1: I remember laying when I hit puberty and had some

635
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Speaker 1: really bad skin issues. I was encouraged to get some

636
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Speaker 1: sun to help the zits go away. Little did I

637
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Speaker 1: know that, wow, because we we talked about this in

638
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Speaker 1: our acne episode that while yes, the sun can help

639
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Speaker 1: fade some of those acne marks, it actually only makes

640
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Speaker 1: them kind of come back with a vengeance because the

641
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: sun inflames the skin, and any corrective like quote unquote

642
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Speaker 1: treatment the sun has for acne is really more effective

643
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Speaker 1: And now back to the show. So, as we mentioned

665
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Speaker 1: at the top of the podcast, the number one tanning demographic,

666
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: specifically when we're talking about tanning beds are white girls.

667
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: Young white girls. Yeah, that's right. Studies have shown that

668
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: white teen girls of a higher socio economic status are

669
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: the most likely to tan both indoors and out. And

670
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to admit I was actually surprised by the

671
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: higher socio economic status aspect of that. And and maybe

672
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: that's judging of me, and I certainly don't want to

673
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: sound like I'm passing judgment, but I I do feel

674
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: like I nowadays read in magazines and blogs so much

675
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: about protecting your skin and not tanning either. In a

676
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: tanning booth or outside, you know, stick to self. Tanner

677
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: is if you want to get darker. Um that there

678
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: was just like my gut when I read that stat

679
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh I I didn't realize like there was

680
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: such a drive. But then again, this is possibly due

681
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: to an age difference thing. Yeah. I mean, rich girls

682
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily smarter about their skin. They can probably afford

683
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: a dermatologist and good makeup, but if they are, for instance,

684
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: in a sorority, there's a pretty good chance that they

685
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: will also tan. I mean, I think it's also like

686
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: your you're in group beauty standards, if everyone around you

687
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: has a tan, then you're probably gonna get called the

688
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: pale girl. And I know that's not a personal experience,

689
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: although I'm sure I've been called the pale girl, but

690
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: that is my experience. Um, So there's there's probably a

691
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: little bit of a pure aspect in there, and it

692
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: takes disposable income to chan. I remember when I tanned

693
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: my senior year of high school, which I know I'm

694
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: going to regret like already with certain freckles that I have. Um,

695
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: I've had to pay for it myself. My parents were like, listen,

696
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: we're not going to pay for this for you, and

697
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: it was pricey. I should have saved my money, Caroline.

698
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: But young kids, I know, not to sound like an old,

699
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: but they don't know better in terms of feeling invincible.

700
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: Oh totally. My mom warned me every single summer because

701
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: all I wanted was a tan so that I could look,

702
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, to get that social cred that comes with it.

703
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: Every single time she would warn me about getting sunburned

704
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: and sun damage because in her generation, you would sit

705
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: out with the those foil reflective place Sally used baby oil.

706
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so did nance. Yeah. I can't imagine speaking

707
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: as someone who fell asleep face down on the beach

708
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: one time and like couldn't wear real clothes for the

709
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: rest of the summer because my back was so blistered. Yeah. Like,

710
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to answer for that at some

711
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: point because and I mean, like, I don't want to

712
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: keep going on and on. But the reason that you

713
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: now are seeing more and more states passing regulations against

714
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: younger and younger people visiting tanning booths is because that

715
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: early sun damage early early like early teens, especially blistering sunburns,

716
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: is a super major significant predictor of skin cancer. Not

717
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: to mention just all of the wrinkles and sun spots

718
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: that you're going to get. And so it's kind of

719
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: frightening when you read that two point three million teens

720
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: use tanning booths tanning indoors every year and they're probably

721
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: vaping while they do it. Kids these days vaping and

722
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: the CDC in May found that it's interesting that regionally

723
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: they found that the people the women tanning the most

724
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: were in the Midwest and the South. I'm not surprised.

725
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: From eighteen to and for most of these people, men

726
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: and women alike, it was a regular habit. These people

727
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: reported going to a tanning bed ten or more times

728
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: in the past year, and they're likely supplementing their tanning

729
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: bed experience. You know, Kristen, you talked about seeing a

730
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: lot more spray tanning places. The things go hand in hand.

731
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: People who use self tanners are two and a half

732
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: times more likely to use tanning beds and get five

733
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: or more sunburns during the summer. So these are clearly

734
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: people though, who are hyper focused on changing the color

735
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: of their skin. Well, those people could say, listen, I've

736
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: got research to back up my tanning habit because it

737
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: makes me look more attractive. UM. There was a June

738
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: study in the Journal Pediatric Health which found that our

739
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: motivations for tanning tend to do with looking better and

740
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: young people also cited relaxation, mood enhancement because it does

741
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: release those endorphins, and also socializing. There's the peer influence

742
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: aspect you want to fit in. Um And it also

743
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: cited a study of college students that found that what

744
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: their friends thought and the desire to appear attractive had

745
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: more to do with it than a desire to look healthy.

746
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: And that's no surprise. Yeah, I was praised as a child.

747
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: It was it's so sick, but but sally definitely. I remember,

748
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'd come up from the beach as a

749
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: young kid and hop out of the shower and my

750
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: mom would be like, oh, sweetie, you are brown as

751
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: a berry, and she thought it looks so good on her,

752
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: on her pale little child. And I was like, yeah,

753
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm hot. I mean I didn't think that, but um.

754
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: This other study of college students found that when orientations

755
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: toward and that just means like you have a higher

756
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: interest in doing or pursuing orientations toward appearance outdoors, social

757
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: norms and perceived consensus increased the attitudes towards sunbathing be

758
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: aim more positive. And I mean, in case we haven't

759
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: hammered this home enough, a two thousand eight Journal of

760
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Health Psychology study found a significant association between tanning bad

761
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: behavior and popular peer crowd identification. And you've got the

762
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: same basic idea for self tanners, except this time. In

763
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: this particular study, it was participants romantic partners support for

764
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: a tanned look that positively reinforced self tanning behaviors. I

765
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: mean this that does harken back to Jersey Shore Jim

766
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: tan laundry. Yeah, but I mean at least they're neat

767
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: right there doing their laundry. And the thing is we,

768
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: whether we are actively tanning ourselves or not, do perceive

769
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: tanned faces as prettier. This was some research reported on

770
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: by ABC News. Um there was a study out of

771
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: Emory University which used Homeman a real throwback website Hot

772
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: or Not, posting pictures of the same person but with

773
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: one version tan and one version pale, and the Tanner

774
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: version received twice as high of an attractiveness rating compared

775
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: to the pale one. Yeah, Dr Audrey Coon and who's

776
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: a dermatologist and founder of Derma Doctor, Inc. Told ABC

777
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: News that yeah, I mean I hate it, but basically

778
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: people think tan folks are more attractive and healthier looking,

779
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: and it's super hard to get somebody to stop doing

780
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: something that makes them feel better, especially younger people. She says,

781
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: younger folks have a hard time seeing themselves as getting

782
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: older and having to deal with these risks. I know

783
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: I did. I was like, I look great, now, what's

784
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: the issue? But then you know, you do look around

785
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: and you look for that Uh there's something about Mary

786
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: character on the beach and let that be let that

787
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: serve as a warning of the ghost of Christmas Tan,

788
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: future Tan Christmas sunburned. Well. Yeah. And and Mark Leary,

789
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: who's a professor of psychology and neuroscience that duke basically

790
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: says that, yeah, the Tan has not lost that chanel

791
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: significance even though it's a hundred years old. She says,

792
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: we just he says, we just haven't lost it as

793
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: a signifier of a leisure class yet. And Autumn Whitfield Madran,

794
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: no friend of the podcast writer of the Beheld, focuses

795
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot on beauty issues. She says, not only does

796
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: it serve as a sign of affluence and health, but

797
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: it's also the perfect accessory. She says, it's the sweet

798
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: spot between conspicuous and inconspicuous consumption. Yeah. I loved her

799
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: description as it being the ultimate expression of oh, this

800
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: whole thing, and it's true. Yeah, I mean, and I

801
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: totally agree with the Duke professor that it's still a

802
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: marker of leisure, class and all of all of those

803
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: all those issues I think are still embedded pretty deeply

804
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: within it, whether you are getting a tan out in

805
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: the sun or are going to get a spray tan.

806
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Because also I think the very seasonality of it supports

807
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: the class element. Yeah, because like I have definitely looked

808
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: at tan friends before. You know, you come in Monday

809
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: and you've got a little bit of color. I've definitely

810
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: looked at tan friends before and thought like, oh man,

811
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: you had time to go to the pool this weekend,

812
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: and you know, for me, like I could probably be

813
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: out for five minutes in term beat red, I'm so

814
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: freaking pale and shiny. But just the idea of like,

815
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: oh god, you had time to like sit down by

816
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: a body of water, maybe you read a book, like

817
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: I fantasize about us your time, like maybe you had

818
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: time to read a book and have a cocktail and

819
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: enjoy the sun and some conversation. Maybe a beach ball

820
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: was involved or some floaties. That sounds wonderful. But on

821
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: the flip side, if someone shows up in the winter time,

822
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: and again this is this has been a super white conversation,

823
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: and I'd say that this is another white observation. If

824
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: someone shows up in the summertime or in the winter,

825
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: excuse me, when we're supposed to be all pasty and

826
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: she's supertan or he's supertan. Because I have a gentleman

827
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: friend who tan's in the winter as well, is usually

828
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: perceived a little more trashy than classy. I would argue, like,

829
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: what are you trying to prove? Yeah, like, mmmmm, I

830
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: don't know about I don't know about that, And I

831
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: wish there were more studies like on that whole that

832
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: line that we we did. Listeners, like, try to find

833
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: some scholarly insight on that whole Tanning spectrum. Classy to

834
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote trashy because it's very much there, but it

835
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: doesn't make a ton of sense. Um. So anyway, scholars listening,

836
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: if you if you need to study. There's one. But

837
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: going back here line to the very beginning of our

838
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: conversation where you mentioned the tan mom, there can be

839
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: some mental health issues associated with a tanning obsession, you know,

840
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: the person who has to be tan um. That same

841
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: pediatric health study we just cited found that thirty of

842
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: young people showed a level of tanning dependence similar to

843
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: other substance abuse addictions. Yeah, and a Journal of the

844
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: American Academy of Dermatology study from found links between excessive

845
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: tanning and body dysmorphic disorder and o c D. And

846
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Speaker 1: those things make sense to me. I mean, like body

847
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: dysmorphic disorder A lot of times that shows up as

848
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: obsessions with weight, but you also see that translating into

849
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: obsessive plastic surgery, obsessive botox, So it makes sense that

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00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: tanning would be linked with that. It's also, according to

851
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: a behavioral medicine study, linked with higher appearance orientation and depression.

852
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: So appearance orientation meaning just a hyper focus on your appearance.

853
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: And it makes sense though that people who are hyper

854
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Speaker 1: focused on their appearance are going to do things like

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00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: we mentioned that they perceive will make more attractive and

856
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: As for the depression link, which mainly they found was

857
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: associated with indoor tanning, researchers right that users could be

858
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: unknowingly self medicating to feel that relaxation effect, that rush

859
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: of endorphins, and so researchers wonder whether depressive symptoms might

860
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: inhibit people from wanting to go hang out on a

861
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: beach in a bathing suit and instead opt to do

862
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: indoor tanning privately get that boost of endorphins. Because conversely,

863
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: they found people with better body image were more likely

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Speaker 1: to go sunbathe outside around a million people rather than

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Speaker 1: just stay indoor tanning. Yeah, I mean, And further research

866
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: has found that while we might be likelier to ignore

867
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: those cancer warnings, women are very much vigilant about the

868
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: son's aging effects because oh my gosh, you we're talking

869
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: about beauty standards. I mean, women who look older are

870
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: usually devalued in that way, right, And so I mean,

871
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: I think that kind of holds the key in terms

872
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: of deep tanning being a trend and how do you

873
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: break skin cancer from trending. Unfortunately, a lot of that

874
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: doesn't go to like, hey, you might be one of

875
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: those statistics who get skin cancer and dies because researchers

876
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: have found that that backfires. It seems like kind of

877
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: the key perhaps to anti tanning and skin safety campaigns

878
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: really lies in like, hey, you're gonna be wrinkly and

879
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: then you're not going to be pretty. You're not gonna

880
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: be pretty, so watch out where a wide brimmed hat.

881
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: And the good thing is hats are very in right now. Um,

882
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: but we also have the government stepping in because we

883
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: obviously like can't abstain from this very unhealthy habit. So

884
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: at this point, twelve states actually banned tanning better use

885
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: for people under eighteen, and forty two states regulate tanning

886
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: bed use by miners in general. Um, sun lamps now

887
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: have to carry black box warnings saying that people under

888
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: eighteen shouldn't use them. Although I mean, really any age

889
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't that be a thing kind of like you know,

890
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: warnings on cigarettes. It's exactly well, that's the logic. It's

891
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: exactly like the warning on cigarettes, because unless you're what

892
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: was it California who just raised the age to twenty

893
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: one for buying cigarettes? I think California. Yeah, I think

894
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: it's California. But like Georgia, for instance, like fourteen is

895
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: the minimum age for using tanning beds, but you have

896
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 1: to be accompanied by a parent. Blows mat frick in mind.

897
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Does that have anything to do with like our like

898
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: high number of competitive cheerleading squads. I don't know what

899
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: it is. I mean in Georgia, I recently learned you

900
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: can also get married at sixteen with parental consent. So

901
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of issues here. Um, but okay.

902
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: In the Affordable Care Act included a ten percent tax

903
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: on indoor tanning so vises. And I did not I

904
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: miss this whole news trend on Maybe it was just

905
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: like the more conservative side of the internet. Apparently a

906
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: lot of people said, you know what, Obama, that's racist.

907
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: That is a racist tax because white people are primarily

908
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: the ones who use these indoor tanning beds. And that

909
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: ain't flying. Obama, We we got you on this one.

910
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 1: Thanks Obama, Thanks Obama. Yeah. That that sound you heard

911
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: when Christen was talking was my brain exploding. Um. Yeah,

912
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: there was an Atlantic article, because there's one on everything,

913
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: there was one on tanning and the politics of it.

914
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: And they did talk to a tanning salon exec who

915
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: was just outraged by the federal regulations encroaching on Americans

916
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: rote to use tanning beds well also do a Midwestern

917
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: accent caroline. It's not just a self I don't know

918
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: if I can, can you? Oh no, just psycho um.

919
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling that what will be a

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00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: far more powerful force than the f d A to

921
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: steer us away from tanning and damaging our skin is

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: the fashion world. I mean, if Coco Chanel is the

923
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: one who brought it in Vogue, then it's probably gonna

924
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: take a comparable fashion magnate to get it out of Vogue.

925
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: And some would argue that that's already taking place. You

926
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Speaker 1: have Verina Van Fetton, who I think was the editor

927
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: in chief of Stylite in two thousand eight, way back when,

928
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: now saying Tan is the new tacky, comparing them to

929
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: ugs hug boots. I mean really honestly, half of the

930
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: post was just about her adred of ug boots um.

931
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: But also she she doesn't like Tan's, associating them with

932
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: more of a Jersey Shore type culture. And then a

933
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: little more recently in USA Today said that a copper

934
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: tune complexion isn't looking so fresh this summer season. And

935
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean even just among anecdotally conversations with my lady friends.

936
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: It might be partially an issue of Welcome to thirty,

937
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: but we are far more into complimenting each other's fair

938
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: skin tones, um and slathering on sunscreen and wearing wide

939
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: brimmed hats, certainly more than we used to be. Yeah,

940
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: I need to be so much better about wearing daily sunscreen.

941
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm great about it if I'm going to

942
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: the pool, going for a hike, anything like that, you know,

943
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: extended out or exposure, But I am so bad about

944
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: the day to day sunscreen use. That's just why I

945
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: carry a ski mask with me. I just pop that

946
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: on any time I got That's the thing with women

947
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: in China. That was also mentioned in some of the

948
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: articles we read, and that was not so much an

949
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: issue of I want to look like a white person,

950
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: but again related to the issue of the paler skin

951
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: is a marker of breeding, high class status. Where's the

952
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: darker skin in China still signifies outdoor labor and Caroline,

953
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: I think that segues as perfectly into our next episode,

954
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: which is going to be a sort of the flip

955
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: side of all of this and a conversation about colorism.

956
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: Because all of these elements we've been talking about in

957
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: terms of the socioeconomics, racism, etcetera, that have played a

958
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: part in today's conversation UM are sort of a foundation

959
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: for what we're going to chat about next time. So listeners, now,

960
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: we want to know about your tanning politics, what has

961
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: resonated with you and is there anyone listening who works

962
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: for a spray tan salon who does the spraying, because

963
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: I really want to hear from you and know what

964
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: it is like to airbrush other people's bodies. Yeah, and

965
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: I do. The women at the Atlanta spray tan place

966
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: that I went to, you guys were so nice. I've

967
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: only heard feedback like that from other girlfriends of mine

968
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: who have gotten spray tans. They were so nice and

969
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: it was a great experience, and let me tell you,

970
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: I loved it. I can wear less makeup when I

971
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: have color on my face because I am so pale,

972
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: so my dark circles just like pop out, my my

973
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: acne scars pop out. So when I have a little

974
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: bit of color, it's like such a breath of fresh air,

975
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: fresh tanning juice laden air. So send us ya let us.

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Speaker 1: Moms house stuff Works dot Com is our email address.

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01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,840
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Speaker 1: messages on Facebook, and we've got a couple of messages

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Speaker 1: to share with you right now. So I've got a

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Speaker 1: letter here from Becca about our change Makers series that

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01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: we ran throughout March to celebrate Women's History Month. She writes,

982
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Speaker 1: thank you for the Maker Series, Curly. I'm working to

983
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: open my own small business and I love listening to

984
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: you keep me sane and connected with the outside world

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01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: while I knit so an embroider. The Maker series was

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Speaker 1: so inspiring and gave me the motivation to keep going

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Speaker 1: even when I get overwhelmed. I quit my job less Paul,

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Speaker 1: and decided to open my own business. After a friend

989
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Speaker 1: and fellow mom was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She passed

990
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: away nine days later, leaving a loving husband, three children

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Speaker 1: in a huge hole in our community. Regina Wilson's words

992
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: about her experience after nine eleven as a firefighter and

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01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: the precious and finite nature of life touched so close.

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Speaker 1: I found myself crying in the kitchen after Laura's passing.

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01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: I vowed to dream big and go for it. The

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Speaker 1: podcast really touched me in so many ways, and I

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Speaker 1: just had to write in so thank you and keep

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Speaker 1: up the amazing work and on behalf of Laura, I

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Speaker 1: would like to request an episode of any aspect of

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Speaker 1: cystic fibrosis. It was her dream to find a cure. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Becca, that means so much for

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Speaker 1: us to hear. And best of luck building your business. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I have a letter here from Alyssa also about our

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Speaker 1: Makers series, this one specifically about our episode talking to

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Speaker 1: Abby wombach Uh. She says, I related in a huge

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01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: way to some of the things you guys talked about

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: with Abby in your recent interview with her. I'm a

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Speaker 1: junior in college and an n C Double A Division

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Speaker 1: two athlete. I played golf for Lobbit Christian University and

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Speaker 1: Lobbitt Texas Go Chaps. I've been very blessed with teachers

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Speaker 1: and coaches who are so encouraging and supportive of female athletes,

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Speaker 1: but I've experienced my share of sexism as well. The

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Speaker 1: n C Double A does a wonderful job overall of

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Speaker 1: making rules to make sure that it's athletes don't receive

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Speaker 1: special treatments simply because they are athletes, but they aren't

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Speaker 1: as good at making sure we aren't discriminated against. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: my biggest example of the sexism that I have faced

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Speaker 1: is from the n C Double A itself. In the

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Speaker 1: Heartland Conference within Division two, all of the women's golf

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Speaker 1: teams in the conference good a big tournament to determine

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Speaker 1: who goes to the next level. If you're on a

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Speaker 1: men's team, the top few teams go on to Super Region.

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Speaker 1: If you're a lady golfer, however, there is a board

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Speaker 1: who decides what teams move on past conference once the

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Speaker 1: tournament is over. I've always almost jokingly claimed that I

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Speaker 1: would write a strongly worded letter about the blatant sexism here,

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Speaker 1: but I never got very motivated about it until I

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: heard Abby Wombach talk to you guys about her Title

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Speaker 1: ten project, which she says reminded me of Title nine

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Speaker 1: and put me on a thought train back to my

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Speaker 1: frustration with this particular rule. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: reading my super long and kind of ranto email. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. A ton keep doing what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: and Alyssa, you keep doing what you're doing. Arhn, I

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Speaker 1: got you. Gotta love all these women doing such incredible things. Um,

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Speaker 1: thanks for letting us in on what's happening with your lives,

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Speaker 1: and you can send us your letters. Mom. Stuff at

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