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Speaker 1: Oh Yer busts dost over time. That's how we start.

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Speaker 1: That's how we start the show. Good afternoon, Welcome Wednesday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: June six It is One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker in uh Orchard Partner York, back

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Speaker 1: again with a radio only show. Steve, I'm getting used

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Speaker 1: to this now, right you get your feet up on

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Speaker 1: your desk. You certainly are getting used tom I am

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Speaker 1: so used to this is right in my wheelhouse right here.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said the date though, June sixth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why reminds me that tomorrow is mike thirty second wedding anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, you better act on that. And my wife's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Is she in town? She's out of town. You know

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Speaker 1: she's in town. She's back up down, she got back

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Speaker 1: last night. So what are you gonna do? You gotta,

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Speaker 1: you gotta make a big deal out. I gotta. I

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Speaker 1: got her a gift. I got her a gift, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, gift for the for the birthday,

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Speaker 1: and then I gotta anniversary has gotta be something different.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think I've always thought it was a

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Speaker 1: stroke of genius. Married to my wife, marrying my wife

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Speaker 1: on her birthday. Yeah, that's one, right, and then you can,

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Speaker 1: if you want, you can get her little things and

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Speaker 1: designate him birthday and then in ano little thing anniversary,

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Speaker 1: or you can lump it all together on a bigger

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Speaker 1: thing or you know. So, and plus the memory issue

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Speaker 1: is crucial. Yeah, it really helps with that. That's great,

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Speaker 1: it really does. So reminded me to marrowa we can

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Speaker 1: wish happy birthday and happy anniversary. Yeah, yeah, all in one.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it tomorrow. How many years you've been married?

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Speaker 1: This will be thirty two? Okay, when'd you get married?

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Speaker 1: Eighty six? Yeah? Yeah, I got married June twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: eighty six. So you got married, how about it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before. How's come you know, you

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Speaker 1: a good question. Where that's where our paths diverge. I

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Speaker 1: guess I came from a family of eight, right, you

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Speaker 1: and uh decided to go to the other direction. You

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Speaker 1: and your wife just decided to replace yourselves on this earth.

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Speaker 1: I had three older ones, three older three older brothers.

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Speaker 1: Was my wife and I. Neither one of us had

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Speaker 1: any sisters. She had two brothers. I had three brothers.

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Speaker 1: She's the only girl in either of our families. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of a dynamic problem. I

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Speaker 1: think for my daughter, we had four boys and one girl,

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Speaker 1: and she was and she did I People ask me if, oh,

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Speaker 1: she must be a princess my daughter, and I not

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Speaker 1: really she was a princess, but it was a savage kingdom.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a savage kingdom in our house.

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Speaker 1: But she you know, so maybe that's why she ended

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Speaker 1: up in Alaska. Yeah, well and you're going up there

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Speaker 1: right in a couple of weeks. Yeah, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: up to visit her. Actually, just like in a week

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Speaker 1: or so, Like, isn't it Like what are you going?

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Speaker 1: You guys keep tracking my calendar better than I do.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like when you go to the eleven eleventh, No,

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Speaker 1: the end of next week, I think something like that,

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Speaker 1: then I get back on that Friday, which we don't

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Speaker 1: have a game a show. I guess because of the

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Speaker 1: instigators are going to do the draft. Yeah, if they

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Speaker 1: announced that yet, producer r if we announced that, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: they're going up there to the Draft. They're going down

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Speaker 1: there to Dallas. We're not announced as a finalist to

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Speaker 1: finalist thing with Jim, I can make those changes anytime

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Speaker 1: I want. Yeah, so you guys got to behave Uh no,

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Speaker 1: the article from ESPN? Jim had told Thurman and Bruce

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Speaker 1: Smith and I Thurman, Thomas, Bruce Smith and I that

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Speaker 1: he had he was gonna win the Jimmy V. Right

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Speaker 1: Inspirations or the perseverance of which is an enormous honor

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Speaker 1: and really fitting. I mean, no, I don't. I can't

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Speaker 1: see you show that we well because I group us together, right,

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Speaker 1: we're a one Buffalo Studio show. I know you don't.

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Speaker 1: put the yourself in with the instigat you saying we didn't.

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Speaker 1: we're not ten to noon, regular Instigator program from Dallas

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Speaker 1: on that Thursday, and then we'll have one Bills Live

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Speaker 1: twelve to three. And then on Friday, the night of

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Speaker 1: first round of the Draft, the Sabers had that first

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Speaker 1: for five hours, five hours of Hey, who are we

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Won't be here anyway, Steve, You're gonna Aska.

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Speaker 1: Well I get back that morning twenty second. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: work out the details the kinks in our broadcast studio,

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Speaker 1: Jay had a good idea if you, if you can't

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Speaker 1: obviously tune in on the on w gr our flagship

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Speaker 1: as the Buffalo Bill and his contract year. Who has

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Speaker 1: the uh potential for the biggest year? Steve Noble tweets

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Speaker 1: and I voted Benjamin. He's just entering his prime, and

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Speaker 1: Zoe and Kyle are deep into the back nine of

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Speaker 1: their careers but still great players. Vonte Davis is a

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Speaker 1: guy not on the list and the player I expect

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Speaker 1: to see shine this season, and pretty much there. I

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Speaker 1: argued with our producer Jay Harris about putting Lorenzo and

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Speaker 1: Kyle Williams on the list for the Twitter poll only because, look,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate both of them, but as Steve Noble points out,

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Speaker 1: there deep into the back nine of their football careers,

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Speaker 1: to anticipate that the final contract, uh the final year

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Speaker 1: of their contracts for either one of them, um might

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Speaker 1: mean anything as far as how they played this year.

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Speaker 1: I just that's not realistic to me. I think we

440
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Speaker 1: know who they are, we know how they'll play. We

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Speaker 1: know they'll be um, They'll they'll be all in. I

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Speaker 1: think that the team first in minds. I just don't

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Speaker 1: look for much. I mean, and I'm looking for them

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Speaker 1: to be productive, but I don't look for a big

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Speaker 1: year for them because not because of their contract status. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if Kyle and Lorenzo, I think Lorenzo is probably more

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Speaker 1: likely because he's actually got a chance to get on

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Speaker 1: the field and make some sacks that kind of thing. Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's I mean, this is not a guy

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Speaker 1: who's gonna do much of He's not gonna even in

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Speaker 1: a great year for him. He's not gonna have two

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Speaker 1: hundred tackles and sixteen sacks. You know, he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna soak up blockers and open up

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Speaker 1: the way for Tremaine Edmonds to go and run around

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Speaker 1: and make all those plays. He's gonna soak up the

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Speaker 1: guards so that the defensive end can be singled on

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Speaker 1: the outside on a pass rush, He's not gonna get

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Speaker 1: the rush. So I think if you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: guy to have a kind of a numbers year other

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Speaker 1: than the guys on the other guys on that list,

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Speaker 1: that's got to be Lorenzo Alexander, who could come in

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Speaker 1: and get double digit sacks at this point in his

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Speaker 1: career and has the skill set and the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: do it. But yeah, it was hard to pick guys

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Speaker 1: because you know, you went down the list of the

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Speaker 1: free agents or or the guys on one year deals

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Speaker 1: are in contract years. It's not a who's who on

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Speaker 1: or even on the bill's roster. You know, these are

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Speaker 1: kind of the top three names that are on that list,

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Speaker 1: And uh, if you go to Traverus cadet. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: could be a guy that emerges, but you know, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to get ahead of Leshaun McCoy. Only right,

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Speaker 1: only on the only unless there's a you know, a

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Speaker 1: bus crash on the way to the stadium and he

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Speaker 1: starts a game or two. So um yeah, that's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Though he's he's a backup role player behind Lashan McCoy

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Speaker 1: and Chris Ivory. Um so yeah, these are the top

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Speaker 1: three names on the Bill's one year list. But like

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, I do like the philosophy. And they

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Speaker 1: did it last year too, where they got these guys

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Speaker 1: on one year deals. I really like that philosophy. All right,

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Speaker 1: we gotta we have a Twitter critic ed Christian finding

483
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Speaker 1: fault with our question on Twitter. The three you mentioned

484
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Speaker 1: can't really play at a high level anymore. I expect

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Speaker 1: him to perform like borderline starters, probably would not make

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Speaker 1: a lot of other teams. And he finishes with I

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Speaker 1: don't think this poll is relevant? Well you know who

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Speaker 1: I think? Yes, Wow, our man Lorenzo tweets and of

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Speaker 1: course you would John, thanks Jay for having our back.

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Speaker 1: What I'm just yeah, what's he talking about? Lorenzo? No,

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Speaker 1: what's he talking about, think that he can't produce at

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Speaker 1: this at this level. I'm just saying, John John's the guy.

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Speaker 1: Did I say maybe there's another John on Twitter? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just saying, So, say the passing offense,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're looking that for that to take

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Speaker 1: a huge jump, right, and that would involve Calvin Bendeman.

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Speaker 1: Say he puts up six seven hundred yards and five

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and Lorenzo has eight to ten sacks and is

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Speaker 1: one of the leaders on in tackles. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: would say he would have the biggest year. But here's

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Speaker 1: here's my question. I'm not waiting age. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: those guys say they are going out at the end

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Speaker 1: of their career, wouldn't they have a chance to have

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Speaker 1: a breakout year. And I would break out, not a breakout,

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Speaker 1: not a breakout year, but a big year. And I'm

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Speaker 1: saying that I would think Lorenzo would be one of

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Speaker 1: those guys, maybe over Kyle where he has to feed

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Speaker 1: the middle, but ys got help. If Lorenzo has a

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Speaker 1: big year, and I hope he does, they kind of

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Speaker 1: need him to. I think I'll have nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with his contractual status. I don't think it does either.

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Speaker 1: But that's why that's why the biggest year, you're not

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Speaker 1: looking for another contract. I'm not looking. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that these guys need another contract. I'm just saying which

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Speaker 1: one of these guys either being one of their last

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Speaker 1: years that they'll play Kyle and Lorenzo or a guy

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Speaker 1: like Calvin Benderman who is looking for another When you say,

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Speaker 1: when anybody says that guy's entering his contract year, the

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Speaker 1: implication is he's playing for his next contract, or I'm

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Speaker 1: saying to extend there. No. I mean, nobody thinks that

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Speaker 1: contract year doesn't mean you're last year in the league

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Speaker 1: or no. But it says no. But it could be

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Speaker 1: keep it from being here, it could keep it from

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Speaker 1: being your last, keep it from you could extend your

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Speaker 1: career by a year and get and make one more set.

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Speaker 1: You could. But I don't think that motivation applies at

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Speaker 1: all to either Kyle Williams or Lorenzo Alexander. Not that

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Speaker 1: they can't do it. They can, of course they can.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what make I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: what makes them tick. Yeah, I don't get I think

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Speaker 1: they play now at this stage of their career and

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Speaker 1: they're both in similar spots. They play because they've demonstrated

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Speaker 1: to be great professionals who who want to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: excel has nothing to do with where they are contractually.

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Speaker 1: Do you think how much do you think? Well? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Williams was in his contract year last year, Jay Right,

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Speaker 1: he was in the contract or last year, got a

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Speaker 1: new contract this year. Right because he motivated by his

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Speaker 1: contract last year. I don't think No, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was. Why would motivated to play better and have

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Speaker 1: a better season. I'm just for himself and for the team.

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Speaker 1: I Am just so glad our listeners can hear us

543
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Speaker 1: have the heated discussions about our Twitter poll and the

544
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Speaker 1: Quadlia because we go around and around about it, we

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Speaker 1: come back, are we on the air? And you know

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Speaker 1: what this? So we're on the air now, right, Yes,

547
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Speaker 1: we're sharing this with the world. You've got the button

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Speaker 1: push that we're on the air. I don't know, let

549
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Speaker 1: me listen. That's the way it is, though. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to come up with the reason why a

551
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Speaker 1: guy would be motivated, but this is really a big one.

552
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Speaker 1: Is the fact that it's their last it's either there

553
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Speaker 1: well not their last go round, because when I was

554
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Speaker 1: my last go around, I was given you did get

555
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: everything I had, but there wasn't much left. Did you

556
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Speaker 1: know you was your last year? Yeah? I knew. Did

557
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Speaker 1: anybody else know to the build? Not until late not

558
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Speaker 1: until late this season? Yeah? And why would you let

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Speaker 1: them know? Why did you tell anybody? Um? Because there

560
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: were people I felt I I didn't want to announce

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Speaker 1: it without talking to people first. You know. That's and

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Speaker 1: what was it? Health performance? Yeah? I couldn't. It was

563
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Speaker 1: like we spoke about yesterday. I can't remember who. We

564
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Speaker 1: had somebody on the show and they mentioned that this

565
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Speaker 1: is what happens when guys get to the end of

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Speaker 1: their career. Now I could really relate to it is

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Speaker 1: that you can play on Sunday. You can suck it

568
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Speaker 1: up and go three hours on Sunday hard, and you'll

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Speaker 1: give everything you got. And I did that willingly for

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Speaker 1: a lot of years. The problem is Monday through Saturday

571
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Speaker 1: or May June July, when you really need to get

572
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Speaker 1: prepared to play either one, you're not physically capable of

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Speaker 1: preparing to play anymore because you're you're training around old injuries.

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Speaker 1: You've got a you know, a shoulder, a wrist, an ankle,

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Speaker 1: a knee, something that won't allow you to run hard,

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Speaker 1: play hard, train hard, or two. You just don't have

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Speaker 1: the desire to do it anymore. But you're under contract

578
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: and you're gonna give whatever effort you can. But you're not.

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Speaker 1: You're just not because you're in a place in your

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Speaker 1: life where you just can't put forth that effort anymore.

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00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: You've got other things in the fire. You've got things

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Speaker 1: that are starting to be more important to you, like

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Speaker 1: a family, growing family, or a business endeavor away from

584
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Speaker 1: the field. So there's just a lot of stuff like that.

585
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: So that's really what it comes down to at the

586
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: end of your career, where you'll throw it out there

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, but you can't get ready to play to

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Speaker 1: play well on Sunday, and that's that's when you start

589
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: to get to the point where you say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. And that's that's what happened

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Speaker 1: to me. You know. I just think when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the older guys, and we're talking about the two

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Speaker 1: on our Twitter poll, Alexander and Williams, the concept of

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Speaker 1: contract years doesn't really apply. I don't think because I

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Speaker 1: look at Oh, he's in a contract here, that's why

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Speaker 1: he's playing like this. Well, well, those two, that's not

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Speaker 1: the case. I don't think. I just don't. I think

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Speaker 1: they would. They would play uh all in no matter

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Speaker 1: what their contractual status was, because they are two unique pros.

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Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two, Um, how many? You know? What?

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Speaker 1: What are they playing for? They're not gonna get a

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Speaker 1: long term deal either one of them after this year,

603
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Speaker 1: probably not not to say that their career is over.

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Speaker 1: I haven't ye you've said a couple of times they

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Speaker 1: both said that this is their last year. Have they

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they have, probably not. But I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you this. Let's just let's just let's take the

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll down and start it in. We'll just put

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Speaker 1: it out. What should our Twitter poll be today? Since

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Speaker 1: this so bad we're on the air. That one doesn't stink.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna tell you what I think. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't stake. You've just been talking about how much it

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Speaker 1: stinks because those two those Look at the results. Eighty

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Speaker 1: one three veterans were included in there. But that's one

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Speaker 1: name that we did attention either is and we'll have

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Speaker 1: to get to a break here. But John Miller is

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Speaker 1: another one who held the starting card position and now

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Speaker 1: he's looking to maybe fight for that position. Backing right,

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Speaker 1: right right, Jan Miller, those guys, Bonte Davis, those are

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Speaker 1: the names that belonged there, along with along with Kelvin

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Kevin probably have seventy's why we put up so

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Speaker 1: really we missed voices. What do you mean we meaning Jay? Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're just getting started, yes, just getting started, ripping Jay

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Speaker 1: for this faulty Twitter pole. What did the what did

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Speaker 1: the one guys say? And the twetcheet a minute ago?

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Speaker 1: It's irrelevant, It's yeah, this Twitter pole is irrelevant. It's

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Speaker 1: not let's talk about it. There are several bills in

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Speaker 1: contract gears, who do you think we'll have a contract

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Speaker 1: a year this year? And because they want a new contract,

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Speaker 1: pay no attention to our Twitter pole. Give us a

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio Radio only today, no more TV today. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're talking during the break, Steve doing the show here.

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Speaker 1: We're just basically in our office and sitting where we

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Speaker 1: sit from you know, when we come in in the

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Speaker 1: morning until twelve noon, it feels like we're not really

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Speaker 1: doing a show. It's like, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's like we're just one three hour production meeting and

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Speaker 1: you are welcome to join us. Phone lines open. Steve

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Speaker 1: throwing items at Jay Harris to get his attention. Take

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Speaker 1: my levels down just just a hair. Oh we used

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Speaker 1: to be a professional show that has all gone by

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Speaker 1: now not that perfect. Thank you. Our question on the

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Speaker 1: table today deals with contract years, and I think we

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Speaker 1: have a miscommunication about and what contract years mean. Our

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll's gone completely off the rails, just for the

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Speaker 1: first time in my short, short stance with a short

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Speaker 1: tenure with a sto with the show. It's completely a

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Speaker 1: handful of Bills players entering contract years, which one of

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Speaker 1: those players will have the biggest season and why Calvin

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Speaker 1: Benjamin gets eighty one percent of the vote. Nine percent

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Speaker 1: goes to Lorenzo Alexander, four percent to con Williams, six

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Speaker 1: percent goes to other. But some of our astute followers

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, I believe I think they're right. All right,

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Speaker 1: they're right. You can there's there's only about six gazillion responses,

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Speaker 1: and they're all saying, basically, Michael Lafferty, it's exactly what

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Speaker 1: I think. He says the poll. I love when people

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Speaker 1: always critique the poll to the poll forces you to

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Speaker 1: pick Calvin. Since mentioning contract years, you assume they're playing

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Speaker 1: for a contract. That's what I think. He goes on

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Speaker 1: to say, neither Kyle nor Lorenzo are getting the multi year,

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Speaker 1: double digit million dollar deal. Calvin is the only one

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Speaker 1: playing for multi year, multi millions. He's right, Yeah, here's it.

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Speaker 1: That's what that's my point. Steve Noble tweets in he goes,

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Speaker 1: here's the new Twitter poll. Which voice on the air

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Speaker 1: is battling to their point best for contract extension? John Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Jay Harris not Jay. Oh yeah, we uh,

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Speaker 1: let's just let's more. Nick Sally, who finds fault with

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Speaker 1: a Twitter pole, Jay, I'm not we talk into too

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Speaker 1: hard here, Jay, this is your Twitter poll. You know how,

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Speaker 1: you know how we sometimes takes owner owners an hour

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Speaker 1: for what you already have everything. All my feelings are

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Speaker 1: gone for good. I'm just nick. Sally's piling on this

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Speaker 1: post seems so unfair, laugh out loud. Nothing is confirmed,

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Speaker 1: but just cause, just cause, just because age, this might

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Speaker 1: be Kyle and your last year. I guess he's talking

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Speaker 1: to Lorenzo. I'm sure you won't decide till season, and

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Speaker 1: so naturally it be Benjamin who'll be looking for a

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Speaker 1: multi year extension. That's my point, Jay. And you'll recall

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Speaker 1: our discussion about an hour and a half ago before

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Speaker 1: when on the when I said I like the question,

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Speaker 1: I just don't like putting Lorenzo and Kylan there, right,

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Speaker 1: So maybe I picked the three biggest names instead of

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Speaker 1: the names that maybe would have the biggest impact well

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Speaker 1: Avante or John Miller, Ryan Grey. And it's taking the

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Speaker 1: show down downhill and leading me to resignation and have

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Speaker 1: a Twitter pole tomorrow. Why don't be bitter? I need

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Speaker 1: to come back from don't be needed to come back. Listen,

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Speaker 1: you need to have you need to have a bounce

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Speaker 1: back Twitter Pole tomorrow. So I get in trouble. This

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Speaker 1: is talking to myself in the mirror. This is a

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Speaker 1: down Twitter Pole. You need to have a bounce back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I need and come back and do that. Don't just

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Speaker 1: don't go home injured. Don't go on the injured list.

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Speaker 1: What's it just a down year? It's not I'm good enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm dart at people like me. You do that, do that.

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Speaker 1: It's a good hair day, bad hair day. Even listen

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Speaker 1: now see Lorenzo feels bad for us. He's tweeting and

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Speaker 1: I'm just messing with John. He goes. But the question

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Speaker 1: asked who will have the biggest cheer, not who will

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Speaker 1: get another deal based on their Hey, that's not the question,

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Speaker 1: he says. As far as retiring, not on my radar.

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Speaker 1: I he had a brush with it in two fourteen.

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Speaker 1: This is Lorenzo Alexanderson. He had a brush with the

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Speaker 1: thought of retirement in two thousand and fourteen. But then

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Speaker 1: and I get this, then he got healthy. Yeah see,

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Speaker 1: and then he feels good and he can put you

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Speaker 1: know that now he's had really you know, three really

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Speaker 1: good years after at a point after which he thought

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Speaker 1: man maybe I should just stop. But then he got

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Speaker 1: healthy and feels good and he bounces back, So that's

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Speaker 1: you know he's trying to Now you can tell he's

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Speaker 1: trying to make Jay feel better because he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: to do that, right. Yeah, Yeah, we need to be

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Speaker 1: back in the studio because this is not like doing

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Speaker 1: the show when we're in our office here. But weddle

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Speaker 1: through the next couple of hours, will moddle through love

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Speaker 1: to hear your voice on the telephone line eight oh

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Speaker 1: three oh five fifty the number outside Buffalo toll free

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty, or

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Speaker 1: he can do it on Twitter and let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think. Maybe you got a better topic to

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Speaker 1: talk about today. Well, now here's here's a good Now

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Speaker 1: here's the only answer to the Twitter poll. We can

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Speaker 1: actually use somebody who would have voted for Kelvin Benjamin anyway,

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Speaker 1: and it's Marcel Wilson. He says k B will be

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Speaker 1: the guy I see him getting at least at least

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Speaker 1: two times as many targets as last year if he

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Speaker 1: can stay healthy. I believe he will be that guy

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Speaker 1: to our QBS, who will they'll utilize in mismatches with

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Speaker 1: inside of Dayboll's offense. So there's a guy who probably

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Speaker 1: would have picked Kelvin Benjamin no matter who the names

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Speaker 1: on the list were. And that is a valid Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll answer. And it's the first of the day. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, everybody else hammering us or Hammer and Jay. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we talked yesterday. By the way, did I go through

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Speaker 1: the show today? You know what's coming up? Right, Steve One?

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Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, du Ie. At one o'clock Danny Kelly

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Speaker 1: from The Ringer will join us to talk about a

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Speaker 1: variety of NFL topics. Joel Corey one of our better

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Speaker 1: guests over the years, former NFL player agent, now with

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Speaker 1: the CBS. He's written about a number of different deals

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Speaker 1: out there and what's going to happen with, for instance,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Aaron Rodgers, Khalil Max, some of the guys

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Speaker 1: looking for contracts. We can ask him this question too

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Speaker 1: about the bills. I know he's that much aware of

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Speaker 1: contracts all over the league. We can ask him which

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Speaker 1: bill in his contract year would be prime for the

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Speaker 1: best year coming up. So those two joined us one o'clock,

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Speaker 1: two o'clock today. Yesterday we had Albert Brier on the

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Speaker 1: show from MMQB Sports Illustrated dot Com, and he talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about the Dolphins. Spent some time at the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins Miami now in their OTAs in mini camp with

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people interested in Ryan Tannehill.

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Speaker 1: There was talk for the draft that Miami might be

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Speaker 1: interested in drafting a quarterback. You know, they were right

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Speaker 1: behind the Bills. I believe in the draft, right they

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Speaker 1: were thirteen. The Bills were twelve going in. I believe

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Speaker 1: that was the case. And anyway people were talking about,

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Speaker 1: oh no, Miami was eleven and we and the Bills

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Speaker 1: were twelve. That's right. The Miami was eleven, the Bills

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Speaker 1: were twelve. So the Bills had to jump up ahead

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Speaker 1: take one of those guys. They didn't. They did not

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Speaker 1: take a quarterback. They took Making Fitzpatrick, right, the safety

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Speaker 1: from Alabama, That's correct. So that would seem to ensure

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Speaker 1: that Ryan Tannehill returns as the starter at quarterback coming

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Speaker 1: back after his knee injury. The knee injury suffered in

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Speaker 1: August of last year. They've been in OTAs in mini

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Speaker 1: camp for a while, Tannehill looking pretty good. According to

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer and Ryan Tannehill talked this week to NFL

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Speaker 1: network Stiffany black Met about how he feels coming back

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Speaker 1: from his twenty seventeen injury. Here's what he said. I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling good. You know. I think it's progression day in

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Speaker 1: and day out, just trying to get better each and

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Speaker 1: every day. But physically I feel really good. I feel fresh,

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Speaker 1: the knee feels really good. I'm able to move around

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Speaker 1: just like I would have, you know, before the injury.

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Speaker 1: So I'm confident moving forward that we can just keep

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Speaker 1: getting better. Coach Kase said that you can tell you

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Speaker 1: have a complete grip on the offensive, total grip bonnet,

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Speaker 1: and that you're prepared better prepared when a defense tries

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Speaker 1: to throw something different your away. How much of that

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Speaker 1: stems from getting to watch last season and gaining that

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Speaker 1: coach's perspective. Yeah, I got to gain a different perspective

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Speaker 1: last year that I wanted to gain. But there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of beneficial things that I learned throughout the year,

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Speaker 1: you know, just being able to take a step back

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Speaker 1: and really just watch and observe how guys prepare, how

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Speaker 1: we install how I can help better help guys throughout

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Speaker 1: the year. So I learned a lot, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, as you said, the offense is just going

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Speaker 1: into my third year now, so it's only really my

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Speaker 1: second year playing, but I feel like it's my third

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Speaker 1: year just because I've been around the game. I've been

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Speaker 1: around the offense and know what we're trying to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: How do you envision this offense now evolving and being

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Speaker 1: able to spread the ball around. Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of talented guys. You mentioned a few of them.

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Speaker 1: We have some other guys that are really talented as well,

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Speaker 1: like some young kids that we drafted in the tightening room,

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Speaker 1: some other receivers that have really come on for us.

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Speaker 1: So running backs side of the backfield, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of weapons and it were really confident that no

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Speaker 1: matter who's on the field, that we can have a

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Speaker 1: good matchup that we feel good about. So now the

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Speaker 1: challenge is going to be finding a way to get

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Speaker 1: them all the ball because there's only one ball per play,

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Speaker 1: So that'll be the challenge for us is spreading the

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Speaker 1: ball around and keeping them all happy. That was Ryan

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Speaker 1: Tannehill at Mini camp yesterday for the Miami Dolphins, and

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Speaker 1: we were talking just before we had that sound on

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Speaker 1: about how comfortable he is in that offense. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about the draft, and the Dolphins were kind of

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Speaker 1: thought too, maybe they're thinking about replacing him. And Albert Brier,

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Speaker 1: who we had on the show yesterday, in his article,

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Speaker 1: had Adam Gase explaining how they handled that Gaye was

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Speaker 1: on the phone with Ryan Tannehill at least he was

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Speaker 1: reported by Albert Breer, and Gas said, you know, I

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Speaker 1: called Tannehill every single time we either talked to one

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Speaker 1: of the drafted quarterbacks or visited with them, brought him

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Speaker 1: in for a visit, or went out to see them.

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Speaker 1: Every time we had any interaction with one of those

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Speaker 1: draftable quarterbacks. He said, I called Ryan Tannehill to let

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Speaker 1: him know so that he would be okay, and let

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Speaker 1: him know so he'd get blindsided by the media. Yea.

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Speaker 1: And Tannehill was appreciative of it, obviously to be told yes,

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Speaker 1: but he also said that it kind of helped him

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Speaker 1: focus on him. He said, listen, I'm gonna be ready

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Speaker 1: gonna be ready to play. So it gave him some

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Speaker 1: offseason motivation to really, you know, rehab hard and do

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Speaker 1: everything he could possibly do to make himself ready to play.

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Speaker 1: And then when they didn't draft the quarterback m it

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Speaker 1: kept him in a nice place with the organizations. So

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Speaker 1: I think, Adam Gaye, you gotta tip your hat to

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Speaker 1: the way he handled that with with a Tannehill season.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Ryan Tannehill, though, every time you get that call,

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Speaker 1: really the message. Yes, he doesn't want him to read

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Speaker 1: about in the media, but the real message is, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to replace you. I'm talking to somebody else today,

849
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: and then what three days later, Hey, we're still looking

850
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: to replace you, So now I'm talking to well it's

851
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: not really that's not really the time. The message you

852
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: get every single time you do it. You get that

853
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: the first time to say, hey, listen, we're gonna talk

854
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: to these guys. You're coming off a knee injury. We're

855
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna go out and we might see a

856
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in the future come down the pipe. We

857
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: gotta take him if we want to. And you're our guy.

858
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: What I mean, you're our guy. We're looking for your replace.

859
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: This guy's not our guy. If we're looking for your

860
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: guy to replace you, you listen, our guy. If you

861
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: don't know that you can be replaced as a professional

862
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: football player, you're not smart enough to be a professional

863
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: football player. That's just all there is too And to

864
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: have the coach call you, because listen, you think Bill Belichick,

865
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about Tom Brady. He doesn't even

866
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: call Brady when they trade Garoppolo. I mean they don't

867
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: call these guys. I mean they don't. Some of these

868
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: players don't even get a nod. I mean they're cattle.

869
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: And to have a head coach that calls you have

870
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: and get his listen, here's what we're thinking. And there's

871
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: no doubt Adam Gase put the best spin on it

872
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: he possibly could for the organization and for Ryan Tannehill saying, hey, listen,

873
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: you're our guy, going for all that, but still by

874
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: the same replace it. But he says, listen, here's how

875
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna work it. We're gonna talk to all these

876
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: guys because one of them may fall to us, or

877
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: if if we get a better deal, we may trade

878
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: the pick anyway, but any either way, it goes, we've

879
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: got to be ready to pick one of these guys

880
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: if we think one of them is worthy. So we're

881
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna talk to him. And I don't want you to

882
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: get blindsided by saying, by having to get out that

883
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to these quarterbacks in this draft

884
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: and then have the media run to you and want

885
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: your take on it when you didn't even know what happened.

886
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep calling you, and when we have

887
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: a visit from him, when we talk to him, when

888
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: we go out to see them, or when they come

889
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: to see us, We're gonna call you. I'm gonna call

890
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: you every single time. And when the head coach says

891
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: that that carries a lot of weight, yeah, I think,

892
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: And I think Tannehill understood that. While it is uncomfortable,

893
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: I think he appreciates the way they're handling it. It

894
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: does say a lot and it does carry a lot

895
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: of weight. The way that carries is you are not

896
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: really what we're looking for. We're looking to possibly replace

897
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: you here. That's what the message is, right, do you think? Yeah? Yeah?

898
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: Do you think that after Tannehill being the guy that

899
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: is the first regular guy to come in since Dan

900
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: Marino that he hasn't heard that every step of his

901
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: career and from the media. He doesn't know that he's stupid, stupid,

902
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: he knows it, but he's he's got to appreciate the

903
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: way they're handling it. Maybe he probably appreciate it more

904
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: if they didn't even talk to any quarterbacks, right, if

905
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: they were telling me with a stray I guess, but

906
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: not as you're laughing, you know that. You know how

907
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: stupid that is that think the Dolphins weren't going to

908
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: check out those quarterbacks they should, Well, there you go.

909
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: If they gotta do it well, they gotta do it right, well,

910
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: then they got to I don't know that Ryan Tannell

911
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: is the guy. Tannehill is the guy who wants to

912
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: hear that over and over and over again from the

913
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: head coach. Hey, here's another guy that might replace you.

914
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: We're bringing him in. I get it. I know why

915
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: they did it. I understand why they told Taro. I

916
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: just dot your scenario. How should what should they have done?

917
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: Should they just left him out of it completely? Not

918
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: even talk to him? Really? If tan Hill center to

919
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: go come in and ask a question, Hey, you guys

920
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: interested in quarterbacks? Yeah, we are, we're talking to you. Okay,

921
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: then it's like you caught him doing something behind your back.

922
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Don't they be out there? You do? You know they

923
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: always know who's visiting quarterbacks visiting different places. It's not

924
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: a secret. I just wouldn't put that much emphasis on

925
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: the fact that they that Adam Gase called him up

926
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: and told him we're gonna talk to this quarterback now.

927
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: It is being a good thing for Tim Hell. I'm

928
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: sure he's like, oh, okay, right, it was oh great,

929
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: great idea coach, bring him in. No way, anyway, we're

930
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: gonna break, We're gonna come back with more talk more

931
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: about the AFC East. John Murphy, Steve Tasker, it's been

932
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: a rough start to the show today. I think that's

933
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: fair to say. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive

934
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio. John Murphy, Steve task You're coming

935
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: up at one o'clock. Jenny Kelly from The Ringer's gonna

936
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: join us talking about a variety of NFL issues. This

937
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: is not an NFL issue. See if this one is

938
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: close to home. My friend John Beelin gonna stay at

939
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: the University of Michigan. He announced today that'll be coaching

940
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: the Wolverines next season and in the years to come.

941
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: He interviewed last Thursday, I believe it was with the

942
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons of the NBA for their vacancy head coaching vacancy.

943
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: He has, of course, a native of Western New York,

944
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Burt New York native coach Did Kennisius coached at ECCU,

945
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: then a head coach everywhere. He's gone, You're gonna stay

946
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: at Michigan, which is good, said my wife half kidding

947
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: last Saturday Sunday, when um, when this was all in

948
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: play that John had interviewed at Detroit, he said, I

949
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: hope John gets what he wants and does what he wants,

950
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: but it will be different for us if he's not

951
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: at Michigan because basically, from the time the bill season

952
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: ends until the time Michigan's college basketball season is over,

953
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: that's my team. That's what I do. I build my

954
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: week around. Okay, when are they on TV? When are

955
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: we going to ann Arbor? Uh, They're on at eight

956
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: o'clock to night to travel over there with good games

957
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah. I've been a couple a couple of

958
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: times a year. Yeah. Yeah, he's going a couple of

959
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: times this season last year once. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

960
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean I went to the Final Four this past year.

961
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: I know when they were there, so it really had

962
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: the potential to change my winter when I was But

963
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: think about it though, Now you go to Pistons games. Yeah,

964
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: we talked about that. That just when't I would go too,

965
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: but it just when plus is my Actually, you can

966
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: go to Toronto to a Pistons game, in Cleveland to

967
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: a Pistons game tickets, Yeah, that's never an issue. But

968
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's saying to Michigan it would have been

969
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: too much of an upheaval for for all of us,

970
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: all of us who refused had to find another college

971
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: basketball No, no, no, you just stayed with you just

972
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: stayed with him? Yeah yeah, why because he's my friend.

973
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I've known him for he's not I'm not there. I

974
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. I wouldn't stayed with Michigan. I would have

975
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: staid with John. Where would you get with Syracuse guy?

976
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm not a big fan of

977
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: my alma. What's gonna be? What's gonna be? I mean

978
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: I have a Canacious season ticket holder. Canisius best just

979
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: because it's local you know, and that's close to where

980
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, drive up to Kennisius. Yeah, twenty five minutes. Anyway,

981
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: Beline staying in Michigan that season ticket holder Cannisius Basketball. Yeah,

982
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: maybe I should think about that. You go with me,

983
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: don't buy tickets, come with me. Let's go every game.

984
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: I don't Q to every game. I'm not above exploiting

985
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: your will. Yeah, I'm in. Yeah, we'll go. We'll go

986
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: next year. It's fun, all right, Um, we settle down

987
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: with the show. Everybody good. Jay's pouting, jas pounding everybody else.

988
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: He's getting We have a faulty Twitter pole, but we're

989
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: gonna continue on anyway. Right, you'd have to say this

990
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: as a faulty Twitter pole, But I gotta you know what,

991
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: this has been kind of fun. I'm gonna enjoy this

992
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna maybe even make an effort to sabotage

993
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: the Twitter poll every so often, just to have a

994
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: fun conversation. Jay gets too big for his britches. I'm

995
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna eat. No, you'll just be taking the heat off

996
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: me for a little bit. Minicamp Jack tweets and Jay

997
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Harris deserves a raise for constant professionalism and having to

998
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: take Murph's slings and arrows daily. Lol, I'm very good

999
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: at you issue. By the way, Steve, a few slings

1000
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: and arrows Jay's way, I would say even more than

1001
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: I do now I will, I am it. I did

1002
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: put this on myself. So it's not like it's it's

1003
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: not I'm admitting it. What are you admitting? It's a

1004
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: faulty Twitter. Faulty Twitter poll, but maybe some of the

1005
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: choices Therefore it is the pole is faulty, flawed. It's flawed,

1006
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: all right. I don't want to argue semantics, but it's flawed.

1007
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: Something's rotten in Denmark. So and it's and it has

1008
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: to do with the percentages of the replies. We're gonna

1009
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: have a horse race, man, this is none of the best.

1010
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: That's what we're looking for. This is like, yeah, this

1011
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: is like a golf match against yourself. The Elvin Benjamin's

1012
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: running off with it. The ideal Twitter poll for us.

1013
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: I think I can say is something that's a Steve

1014
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: stead of horse race is close and generates discussion, so

1015
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: we can talk to people about it. This is doing neither.

1016
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: This is neither close discussion. But it has nothing to

1017
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: do with the Twitter poll. All right, we'll take a break.

1018
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: We're coming back for our number two. Try to pull

1019
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: it together. No TV today, We're back on TV tomorrow.

1020
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: If you miss us on MSG, we're on the radio again,

1021
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: radio only today. One Bill Slide presented by Kalida Health

1022
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio. John Murphy,

1023
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Comedy from our well not our one Buffalo Studio.

1024
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: We've been thrown out of the studio for a little

1025
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: while as they continue with the renovation in there. We're

1026
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: back in the studio tomorrow. We're in our office and

1027
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of comfortable with Steve. Seriously, what are we

1028
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna do about MSG SIMULCASTCA? Should we loop the security? Can?

1029
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: There's a certain uh what informality in here? There's an

1030
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: informal working atmosphere is I would how I describe it,

1031
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: because we are we got our sleeves rolled up, and

1032
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're at our desks and we all

1033
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: have our little spaces and our little thing and we

1034
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: can also uh and Jay Harris is actually within earshot

1035
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: right instead of the other room chime in and he's

1036
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: usually you know, fifty feet away behind behind a wall.

1037
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: We can't see anybody. It's just you and me in

1038
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: the studio, right, So this is more lights even you

1039
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: know the Twitter poll and it's the atrocity that it

1040
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: is today aside, it's more of a community effort. Yes,

1041
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: so the Twitter poll today is all Jay, not us,

1042
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: and the show feels more, as you said, like community effort. Well,

1043
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: it feels like the pre show discussions we have, which

1044
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's great radio entertainment or not.

1045
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: I think so. I think we're all right. Right, Wow,

1046
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: it's so far, so good. I'm go believe we're getting

1047
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: enough feedback to know that if if if it stunk,

1048
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: people would not or they're never shy about telling us. Right,

1049
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: that's what Twitter. Some people yeah that, some people tell

1050
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: us they like it, and a lot of people tell

1051
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: us they don't, and you go with it. We do

1052
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: have guests too, went on the Subway fresh Take Hotline,

1053
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: our first guest of the day's staff writer for The Ringer.

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Speaker 1: They cover all sports, including NFL. Danny Kelly joins us. Danny,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being on with us. John Murphy and Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker here in Buffalo. How are you today, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing well. How are you guy, Dame Good? Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us. I read your recent post with interest.

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Speaker 1: Who's the NFL's next. Nelson Agilar, the Eagles wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that got my attention last summer preseason,

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Speaker 1: the Bills made their big deal and you know, traded

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Speaker 1: away Sammy Watkins. The Bills go to play a preseason

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Speaker 1: game at Philadelphia around mid August last year, and all

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Speaker 1: the buzz around the Eagles back then was Nelson Agilar.

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Speaker 1: He's got to come through, He's got to come through.

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Speaker 1: What do you know? He did come through for the

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Speaker 1: Eagles last year, which kind of set up the promise

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Speaker 1: of your story about was next in that role? Up? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean going into last year, I think they would

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Speaker 1: even talk at Aglar would get cut, you'd fall way

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Speaker 1: down the depth chart. And it was kind of shocking

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Speaker 1: because I actually really liked him coming out of college.

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Speaker 1: He was obviously the first round thick, and over his

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Speaker 1: first couple of seasons, he just really couldn't I guess

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Speaker 1: put it all together. It couldn't figure it out, and

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Speaker 1: he had some struggles with confidence. And I moved to

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Speaker 1: the slot really I think helped him and changed his

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Speaker 1: confidence and gave him a chance to resurrect his career

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Speaker 1: and that's what he didn't. So I was just kind

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Speaker 1: of fun to look at guys that might not expect

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Speaker 1: to have breakout years, and you know, obviously Aglar last

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Speaker 1: year was definitely one guy did not expect to see

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Speaker 1: him do what he did. Yeah. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that I see when players do have breakout years or

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Speaker 1: their fortunes change, something happens to either the philosophy, they

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Speaker 1: get stuck into a four three defense or a three

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Speaker 1: four defense, they moved from one to the other, they

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Speaker 1: switched positions, or their role changes in some way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form that just fits their skill set a little better.

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Speaker 1: And moving Aglallard down to the slow in that offense

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Speaker 1: really seemed to do it. And I think if you're

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Speaker 1: looking for other players as you as you in your post,

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Speaker 1: you kind of do. I think one of the key

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Speaker 1: components is to what's really changed around them as to

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Speaker 1: give them a chance or maybe a foresight into what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen in the future and give them a

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Speaker 1: breakout year. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, obviously opportunity has a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with it. You know, if guys have

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Speaker 1: you know, moved up to duck chart, whether it's because

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Speaker 1: of you know, the team has lost players or just

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Speaker 1: decided to move them up to duck chart based on

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Speaker 1: their talent all that. You know, opportunity is obviously a

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Speaker 1: big deal, and that's why, you know, the first couple

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Speaker 1: of guys on my list, like Josh dockson Mike Williams,

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Speaker 1: I think those two guys in particular are going to

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Speaker 1: have a ton of opportunities to kind of show what

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Speaker 1: they can do because of the changes to personnel on

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Speaker 1: the offense. And so, um yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's those steams always matter in some cases, like with

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Speaker 1: the Redskins, the quarterback matters obvious, See Alex Smith has

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Speaker 1: got to find chemistry with Dotson and that's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And so it's just always kind of fun to you know,

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Speaker 1: It's it's difficult to project who can have breakout of years,

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Speaker 1: But looking at all the kind of different variables and stuff,

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much too Danny and I acknowledge, you know,

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Speaker 1: scheme matters and opportunity matters. The quarterback matters a lot.

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Speaker 1: But also isn't it true that all the positions wide

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Speaker 1: receiver may have the longest most involved breaking period of

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Speaker 1: any position on the football field in the NFL, it

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Speaker 1: takes you know, very rare. Are the receivers who come

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Speaker 1: right out of the box, right into the league and

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Speaker 1: are immediate difference makers? True? False? What do you think? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I definitely think that's true. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the position, I mean, John Ross is

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Speaker 1: a pretty good example of it. Obviously, injury has played

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Speaker 1: a part in this first season, but I mean he

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Speaker 1: ran a four two. There was a lot of expectations,

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Speaker 1: you know, and there's just simply more to it than

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Speaker 1: speed and athleticism. I mean, especially at the NFL game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, precision is so important where you have to

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Speaker 1: be exactly where you're supposed to be at exactly the

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Speaker 1: right client and that takes some time for some people. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, quarterback has to be able to trust the

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Speaker 1: guy to be, you know, seven yards down the field

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Speaker 1: exactly where he's supposed to be end open, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little bit of timing, it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of chemistry, it's a little bit of his

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Speaker 1: ability to get off the line and be pressed and

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Speaker 1: just route running. There's just so many things that go

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Speaker 1: into being a receiver other than simply running fast and

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Speaker 1: catching the ball. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a steep learning

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Speaker 1: curve for a lot of guys. Danny, A couple of

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Speaker 1: players on your list. One of them, I recall, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bills and many Bills fans. It seemed a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago where really hopeful the Bills might get

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams, the receiver out of Clemson. Buffalo went down

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Speaker 1: to LA mid November last year, November nineteenth. Williams was

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Speaker 1: just kind of coming slowly out of his back injury.

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Speaker 1: He missed a lot of OTA's, a lot of training

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Speaker 1: camp time. I thought he would have a better year

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Speaker 1: last year, but maybe that comes this year right now

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Speaker 1: that he's healthy. That could be a big fact for

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Speaker 1: the former Clemson receiver. Yeah. I really liked him coming

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Speaker 1: out of college. I think he's just one of those

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Speaker 1: big play, you know, go up and go over the

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Speaker 1: top of a defender kind of guy and get the ball.

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Speaker 1: And I think that actually fits extremely well with Philip Rivers,

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Speaker 1: who throws with a lot of anticipation. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: never been shy about throwing into sight coverage. I think

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Speaker 1: that's why, um, you know, he's borderline Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: It's why he's so good with Antonio Gay too. Obviously

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Speaker 1: he's not super fast at this point in his career

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Speaker 1: and so um. And it's also why I think he

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Speaker 1: worked well with Keenan Allen, who of course fell and

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Speaker 1: the draft to think because he wasn't you know, he

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Speaker 1: didn't register a very fast forty time and so Rivers

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Speaker 1: I think is perfect for Williams in the sense that

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Speaker 1: he's he's willing to throw the ball up and let

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Speaker 1: his receiver come down with it, and that that's a

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Speaker 1: good fit. And so I'm expecting some good things from him.

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Speaker 1: Obviously this year, I think, you know, he has an

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Speaker 1: opportunity too, just based on Hunter Henry getting Curd, I

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Speaker 1: think that makes him a bigger, you know, focal point

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Speaker 1: in that offense, and you know, he has the potential

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Speaker 1: to have a big year. Last year was was really

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Speaker 1: just an injuries saying that, you know, it hampered him

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Speaker 1: before in the preseason he really wasn't able to kind

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Speaker 1: of work his way into the offense, and then off

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Speaker 1: the season started, he just couldn't hit the ground running.

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Speaker 1: And so he has a lot better chance to think

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Speaker 1: of kind of breaking into the offense this year. One

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Speaker 1: of the other guys that you mentioned, we're speaking with

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Speaker 1: Danny Kelly of the Ringer in your Who's the next

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Speaker 1: Nelson Aguilar, Who's one of these guys that maybe had

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Speaker 1: struggled early in the career. Well in Buffalo, they're talking

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Speaker 1: about Zay Jones. He had a case of, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the drops early in his career,

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Speaker 1: his rookie season last year, and then has struggled also

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Speaker 1: with a couple of surgeries this offseason, a shoulder and

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Speaker 1: a knee. What do you think has changed in the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills offense? Obviously, we don't even know what it's

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Speaker 1: gonna look like. With Brian dave All as the coordinator

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Speaker 1: and new two new quarterbacks. Is that going to be

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Speaker 1: the kind of change that could lead to an outbreak

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Speaker 1: or an emergent year for Zay Jones. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: I look at him and he's definitely a wild card,

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Speaker 1: and I think he mailed it in the sunset. We

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Speaker 1: don't really know what dave Off became involved. We don't

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Speaker 1: know who the quarterback is necessarily going to be. If

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Speaker 1: it's a j McCarron was a serting job or Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen surprising and kind of jumps in front of him.

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Speaker 1: And so there's just so many variables right now that

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Speaker 1: are really hard to predict. It's just tough to know.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, Jones did flash at parents. He

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Speaker 1: showed before he got hurt. Later in the year, he

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Speaker 1: showed that he had some that playmaking ability that that

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Speaker 1: made him that second round pick. And so, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously it's been a tough offseason for him, a couple

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Speaker 1: of Surgeriason and you know, it just kind of throws

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Speaker 1: a paul over what we can expect from him next year.

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Speaker 1: But you know, wouldn't be too scribing if they ball

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Speaker 1: come in, came in and found a really good role

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Speaker 1: for him and made him a vocal on the offense,

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Speaker 1: and he could be a lot more you know, he

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Speaker 1: could be a lot more successful than we might expect

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Speaker 1: this year. I think of Za Jones a lot, Danny

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Speaker 1: and Steve as being kind of the X factor here.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got to get healthy now after you know,

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Speaker 1: the injury a couple of weeks ago and he's out

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Speaker 1: the rest of the spring, and of course the unfortunate

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Speaker 1: whatever it was, incident in the Los Angeles, you know,

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Speaker 1: well captured on video. So I just don't know what

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Speaker 1: to expect. A month ago, I expected great things from

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones. Now I don't know what to expect, neither

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Speaker 1: good nor bad. Yeah, I mean that's basically where I

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Speaker 1: am too. I mean, you know, there was already some

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Speaker 1: questions he had. I think lablan surgery and soaking their

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Speaker 1: shoulder early in the offseason that was kind of a worry.

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Speaker 1: And then now obviously with the knee issue still happening,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, the preseason time is so important, and

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Speaker 1: if he's missing ot Gays, if he's missing training camp,

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Speaker 1: that could be a big deal. So keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on it. If if he miss the really you know,

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Speaker 1: significant portions of the training camp, I think that could

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Speaker 1: kind of give us an idea of what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen this year. If he can come back and set

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Speaker 1: on the field and you know, like we said, getting

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Speaker 1: chemistry with whatever quarterback is starting, I think that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a big deal for him. Danny Kelly of the

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Speaker 1: Ringers with us here on One Bill's Live. He also

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Speaker 1: had another post about guys who are going to have

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Speaker 1: bounce back years. These are guys that have played well

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Speaker 1: in the past and had maybe a down year last year.

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Speaker 1: Perfect example be Joe Flacco, quarterback for Baltimore, who is

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Speaker 1: not laid well since signing the big year. Plus he

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Speaker 1: carries a large cap it they're not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to move him. If if anybody had any designs

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Speaker 1: on that, he would be one guy that you used

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Speaker 1: in his example of a guy needed a break a

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Speaker 1: bounce back here. Also for the Buffalo Bills, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Vonte Davis. Talked to us a little bit about your

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Speaker 1: reasoning to put Vonte Davis on players who really need

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Speaker 1: a bounce back year. Yeah, I mean he's kind of

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Speaker 1: thinking at the point in his career where it could

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Speaker 1: go either way. You know. He obviously at one point

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Speaker 1: for a couple of seasons was one of the best

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks in the NFL. I mean, his numbers were outstanding,

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Speaker 1: and then yeah, I mean it just kind of went

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Speaker 1: down hill. I think there were some injuries that that

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Speaker 1: definitely contributed to that. For the last year he got

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Speaker 1: benched and then released by the Colts, and so you're

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Speaker 1: kind of wondering, you know, where is he going to

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00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: go with his career at this point, you know, could

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00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be all that surprising to see him pounded

1265
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: his fade away. But at the same time, it definitely

1266
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprising if he kind of emerged again and

1267
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: found new life with the Bills. And so, you know,

1268
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: it's definitely a big need for Buffalo's defense. They lost games.

1269
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: M Leonard Johnson's gone, I believe, and so you know,

1270
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: he's there's just a lot of snaps we had there,

1271
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: and I think if Davids could come in and an

1272
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: emerge opposite, you know, to Davis White, I think that

1273
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: could be huge for that defense. And so I think

1274
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: he's just got to watch during the preseason. Obviously, you know,

1275
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: he's getting a little bit older. I think he's over

1276
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: thirty nouns, so that's when players tend to start flowing

1277
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: down a bit. And I think his health is going

1278
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: to be a major back of this year, but he

1279
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: has that shut down potential still, So if he's an

1280
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: interesting guy to watch. It's important to note that, Danny,

1281
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: that your your post at the Ringer is not about

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01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: likely candidates for bounce back years, right, It's about guys

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01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: who need to bounce back right right exactly. I mean

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, some of these guys may

1285
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: never bounce back. And that's kind of the thing. It's like, well,

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: I think about Brandon Marshall. Is Brandon Marshall ever gonna

1287
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: bounce back? I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question.

1288
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a good opportunity in Seattle. You know,

1289
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: they need a guy like him in the red zone.

1290
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: I think that can you know, be that big by

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01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: a guy in the red zone that they're leaving with

1292
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham going to Green Band. So he's definitely got

1293
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: a good opportunity there. But I mean, just two years

1294
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: of injuries and subpart play, you just really don't know

1295
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: what to expect from him, and you know, he couldn't.

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01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: I honestly, he might not even make the roster there,

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: But that's kind of how big of an X fatcher

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: he is for the Seahawks. But I couldn't, you know,

1299
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: at the same time, it could see about a good year. Yeah.

1300
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: One of the things that that always haunts those guys

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: once they get to be thirty, and you mentioned it,

1302
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: they kind of slow down. But not only do they

1303
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: slow down, the problem really becomes when they get often

1304
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: and injured, and that's what keeps him off the field.

1305
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: And a lot of the guys on this list are

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: guys that fit that Bill Oh yeah, exactly. I mean,

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01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, with the way that the CBA is is,

1308
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's biased towards younger, cheaper players, frankly, and

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: so when you get into your thirty the one injury

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: can kind of just derail everything because teams are just

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: going to go with the younger, you know, generally more

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01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: healthy player. And so you know, Brandon Marshall's the perfect

1313
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: example of that. Doug Martin, He's had a couple of injuries,

1314
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, shortened seasons over the last two years. He

1315
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: just hasn't looked like the same guy. So it's just

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01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: a it's a matter of you know, he's got to

1317
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: have you have to have a few things go your way.

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01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: With Marshall particularly, he's got to stay healthy. That's the

1319
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 1: big thing. He's got to stay healthy all through training

1320
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: camp and he wants to make the roster first of all.

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01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: If he if he can't stay healthy, I could definitely

1322
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: see the seat cutting him out. I want to say,

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01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: he only has like ninety thousand and guaranteed money. So

1324
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: there's really no reason to Seaton need to keep them

1325
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: money why, and so he really just has to prove

1326
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: it over the next couple of months. He has a

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: chance to come back this year, and so he's obviously

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01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna be one guy I'll be watching closely during training

1329
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: camp in the preseason. I think having Joe Flacco on

1330
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: your list of guys who need to bounce back this year,

1331
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: I think that's fascinating. And as you point out, Flacco,

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01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl champion thirty three years old, has gone from

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01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, having this outrageously rich contract to a contract

1334
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: that probably is the main reason why he still is

1335
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: there in Baltimore High. I mean, now he's affordable because

1336
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: of the way that cap is grown. I mean, yeah,

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01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: there's really there's really only one reason he's still the starter.

1338
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at his numbers over the

1339
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: last three years, they're borderline the worst quarterback, the worst

1340
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the NFL over the last three years. Frankly,

1341
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: if you look at some of his efficiency numbers, and so,

1342
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, they just can't move away from him at

1343
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: this point. Is cap hit is twenty four point seventy

1344
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: five million, this year. That's a huge chunk. I think

1345
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: that's uh, you know, top five in terms of the

1346
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: quarterback position, and so they're kind of stuck with them

1347
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: at this point. But the way that I was looking

1348
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: at it is he can be one, you know, if

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01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: he has a good season this year, and he can

1350
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: want to potentially hold off of the Mark Jackson for

1351
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: a year or two because obviously you know, they have

1352
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: high helps for Jeffson and drafting him in the first round.

1353
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: I think that kind of just tells you everything you

1354
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: need to know. But number two, if blat if the

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: Ravens end up, do you do end up moving away

1356
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: from plaque after the season or potentially next season, I

1357
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: think he still has to prove that he's still studying

1358
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback or else he's just gonna end up in

1359
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of that never rotation of backup role and litterally.

1360
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's obviously a good living for a lot

1361
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: of guys, but I'm sure he definitely wants to, you know,

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: continue to be a starter, and so I think this

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: is a big year for him in that sense, whether

1364
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, totally under this job for a little

1365
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: bit longer than Baltimore or proving to another team, which

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01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, then maybe he becomes a trade target for

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01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: a team. So it's definitely a big year for him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One more question for Danny. This is a post you

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01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: wrote a week or week and a half ago. I guess,

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01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: for the Ringer, what the salary cap tells us about

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Speaker 1: the NFL's most extreme teams. What did you find? What

1372
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: teams can we learn a lot about by watching the

1373
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: way they've used their salary cap and manage their cap

1374
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: this offseason. Well, one of the teams I looked at

1375
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: were the forty nine ers, who you know, obviously they're

1376
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: a much bigger contender this season than they were last season.

1377
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: In season's creative because of Jimmy Garoppolo. But at the

1378
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: same time, if you look at the way their contracts

1379
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: are structured, it's not necessarily about this year. I don't

1380
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: think they see themselves as a Super Bowl contender. They're

1381
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: giving Kimmy Grant, Starry, Jimmy Garoppolo, he's worked. He's counting

1382
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: thirty seven million dollars against the cap this season, which

1383
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: is over ten million more than the next closest player.

1384
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: And so basically what they're doing is they're front loading

1385
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: his deal. They're frontloading also Kimnon's deal, basically get those

1386
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: huge hits out of the way and give them more

1387
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: flexibility much year the year after to put a championship

1388
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: caliber roster around him. And so basically, I think they're

1389
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna be happy contending this year. But I also don't

1390
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: think that they see themselves as a Super Bowl contender.

1391
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: And you know, on the flip side of that, I

1392
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: think if you look at what's happening with the Rams

1393
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: and the way that they've constructed their salary cap and

1394
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of attacked free agency and trade, they definitely see

1395
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: themselves as a Super Bowl tender. They're kind of putting

1396
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: all their chips in this year and going for that

1397
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl because you know, right now they have about

1398
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: four million cap spaces, still have to get Aaron Donald's

1399
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: contract done at some point, and so they're kind of

1400
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: putting putting it all in for one year and you know,

1401
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: taking that really really aggressive salary cap stance. Yeah, that's

1402
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: exactly right. One of the things and one of the

1403
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: teams has been getting a little bit of criticism about there,

1404
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: and it's and it's a telltale sign in their salary

1405
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: cap in the way they drafted their roster is the Raiders.

1406
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: Um it's they're getting a lot of guys in there

1407
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: who have some some miles on them and there and

1408
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: they drafted, Um. Well, their draft was questioned a lot

1409
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: by people around the country. What do you think that

1410
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: the salary cap says about the Raiders and where they

1411
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: sit now? Well, I mean it kind of like we

1412
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: were talking about a little bit earlier with the current CVA,

1413
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: like a lot of teams are stocking their roster with

1414
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: first contract guys because they're young and keeping you know,

1415
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: they have that COT control first contract where in the

1416
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: first four years you're ranking peanuts compared the veterans, and so,

1417
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of teams kind of fill out

1418
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: their roster with those guys. Was some of their role playing,

1419
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, guys with first contract players and the readers

1420
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: are going the other direction with it. I mean, if

1421
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: you look at their offense in particular, you know, they

1422
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: signed a whole bunch of you know, higher price for veterans,

1423
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who are actually into their thirties

1424
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: to play sort of those those role positions play you know,

1425
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: those role players, and so it's kind of an interesting

1426
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: pack that they don't have a ton of cast based

1427
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, you got guy like Jared Cook,

1428
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: who's the tight end, you know, Jordy Nelson, who's probably

1429
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: overpaid at this point. You know, there's just some questionable

1430
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: things happening on that offense. And you can say the

1431
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: same about their defense. Their secondary is getting older. Um

1432
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe that's John Gruden just doing it

1433
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: this year and we'll see if that change is going

1434
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: forward or or that's kind of you know, they're they're

1435
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: with the way that they're going to put a salary

1436
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: cap for the long term. But they're definitely one of

1437
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: the oldest, if not the oldest teams when you look

1438
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: at players that are going to be contributing, and you know,

1439
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: those players cost a lot of money and so there's

1440
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: just not a lot of wiggle room elsewhere. Again, these

1441
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: great stuff. Thank you for coming on the show today

1442
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: and talking with us about it. Really appreciate it. Yeah,

1443
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: of course. Danny Kelly is staff writer for The Ringer

1444
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: dot Com, covering from a variety of NFL issues. Who's

1445
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: poised for a who needs to have a breakout year?

1446
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: Which receiver could have a nice year this year after

1447
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: maybe you know struggling last year. You can follow him

1448
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: at the Ringer dot com. Danny joined us on the

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: Subway Fresh Take Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh Um. Yeah, I

1450
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: hope you know Zay Jones is a guy that comes back. Steve,

1451
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: I root for that kid. I worry about that kid

1452
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: because of the injuries, because of the offseason incident, right,

1453
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: and the Bill certainly need that kid, Zay Jones to

1454
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: come back and be a factor this year. They really

1455
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: need that. It seems like one of those things where

1456
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: you see j Zay Jones come in and he and

1457
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: I think, and I don't know this, but it looked

1458
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 1: like he felt it took him a long time to

1459
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: feel comfortable as a professional football player last year, even

1460
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: given the quality culture that they were building in that

1461
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: locker room, he he didn't play with a lot of confidence,

1462
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: even given his production in college. He never had probably

1463
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: with drops in college. Right, Yeah, that's the way his

1464
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,839
Speaker 1: season began, less And that's exactly right. He just seemed

1465
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: a little bit tentative. And then to come in this year,

1466
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: having been around the block once, you gotta think he's

1467
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit more stable in his mindset.

1468
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: But you know you know this too. You hate to

1469
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: think about it, but this is a point in his

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Speaker 1: career where he's gonna look he's when he's you know,

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: our age, He's gonna look back and said, Wow, what

1472
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: an opportunity there that was. You know, you're gonna think

1473
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: is he gonna make the most of it or not,

1474
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: because this is a point where there's nobody established or otherwise.

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: That is sitting in his spot at the number two

1476
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills, and he's sitting at

1477
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: his second year player. They've got a you know guys

1478
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: that are you know, less less unknown, they're more unknown

1479
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: than he is. Behind him. What an opportunity for him,

1480
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: And you got to think that if you just sit

1481
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: down and think about it for five seconds, that's gonna

1482
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: dawn on him. How ready he needs to be when

1483
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: he comes back on the field after he gets over

1484
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: this little niscope that he had and the shoulder surgery

1485
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: in January. Important always in that case to remind yourself, say,

1486
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: Jones is twenty three years old. He's a baby. Yeah,

1487
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: he's very he's young. Now really you need they just

1488
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: need him and the door is wide open for him.

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01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope there is a big year

1490
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: for him coming up here this year. I came across

1491
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: this tweet a minute ago, Steve, this is worth reading

1492
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: from Richie Incognito, his first tweet since mid April. We

1493
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: know the Bills have parted ways with Ritchie after he

1494
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: announced his retirement and then backtrack. Richie Incognito tweeting moments ago, Hi,

1495
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: thank you for everyone reaching out and checking in on me.

1496
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm back home and feeling great. Love you guys and

1497
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: your support hashtag never quit good. That's good for Richie.

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I hope he's all right. I hope he's gonna be

1499
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: all right. I hope he's gonna be healthy and if

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: he needs help, gets help. I don't know if he does.

1501
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: We haven't talked to him here since since January. But good.

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad they read that on Twitter from Ritchie Incognito.

1503
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: I hope he's back on track, whether he plays football

1504
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: or not. I hope he's back on track. Yeah. I

1505
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: think that's a I think that's a guy who, despite

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: what's happened in the last three or four months, I

1507
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: think he left Buffalo on pretty good terms, particularly with

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01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 1: the fan base. I think they liked the fact that

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: him and reclaiming his life in his career when he did,

1510
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: and coming in playing so well for the years he

1511
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: was here in Buffalo. I think I think people have

1512
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: some pretty positive thoughts about about Ritchie and what he

1513
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: contributed to the team, and no matter how it ended

1514
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: or what, you know, the bumps that they went along

1515
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: at the end of it here, I think from the

1516
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: most part, I think people probably have a pretty positive

1517
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: view of what Richie was and which is incredible given

1518
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: the fact of where he started when he his time

1519
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: in Miami ended over the Jonathan Martin incident. So I

1520
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: think it's a it's kind of nice to hear from him,

1521
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta wish him well and whatever

1522
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: he does. Hey, um, we thank Danny Kelley from The

1523
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: Ringer for joining us. Danny joined us via the subway

1524
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: Fresh Dank Cotline Subway Eat Fresh. We are ready to

1525
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: continue our discussion of our deeply flawed Twitter poll today.

1526
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: A handful of Bills players are entering contract years. Which

1527
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: one of those players will have the biggest season in

1528
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and why? On Twitter? Seventy nine percent of

1529
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: you say it'll be Calvin Benjamin ten percent of you

1530
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: say it'll be Lorenzo Alexander, four percent say it'll be

1531
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, seven percent have somebody else in mind. I'll

1532
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: go back over the list of some other candidates for

1533
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: that contract year position that the Bills have on their roster.

1534
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: I think there are better candidates than Lorenzo and Kyle,

1535
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: even though I hope those guys have great years. But

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. We got phone lines open eight

1537
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty and toll three one eight

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01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty plus more. Talk

1539
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,480
Speaker 1: about the AFC easton the Patriots, what's going on in Foxborough,

1540
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 1: all of that coming up when we return One Bills

1541
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

1542
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, John Murphy, Steve Tasker, One

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. Do you think beer's

1544
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: got a complicated Steve? I was just listening to We're

1545
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: talking about easy going session nails and double I pas beer.

1546
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: I mean beer is beer, right, I know there's different plays.

1547
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: I just it's beer too complicated. I was different tomorrow's

1548
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: Twitter poll. Beer is too complicated? Yes, No, I think

1549
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: it has been overdue. That beer elevated its game, really

1550
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: long overdue. Why do you say that I grew up?

1551
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: It was it was all that. It was Cores, Budweiser,

1552
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: and that's it. But we had Canadian beers here, not everywhere,

1553
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 1: not everywhere. And now that you've got all the micro breweries,

1554
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely elevated the beer world to a

1555
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: place where it needed to be for decades it wasn't.

1556
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: I had a Cores banquet beer the other night at

1557
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: the Kelly thing, and I felt guilty about it. That

1558
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: was my first beer ever. Right and man, oh man,

1559
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: do I still I still go? Takes me back? They're good,

1560
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they have nothing to listen. Let me just

1561
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 1: tell you something. I get it, there's no question, and

1562
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 1: I get it. But you go to the old favorites

1563
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: in the States, you know, Buiser, and nothing to apologize for. Absolutely.

1564
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: You know what I was just I was gonna say,

1565
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: you got all these little microbrews and they do well,

1566
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: they sell them, but let me tell you something. You

1567
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: don't make billions on micro ros. And I tell them

1568
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: people about this all the time. The same thing with pizza. Nope,

1569
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 1: nobody made a gazillion dollars on broccoli pizza. You made

1570
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: a billion dollars on pepperoni pizza from where. That's it. Listen,

1571
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: it don't matter. There's a billion, that's the thing there,

1572
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: it does. There are better pizzas, but there's a million

1573
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: places selling pepperoni pizzas who are all doing great and

1574
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: making millions. Then you gotta place selling broccoli and vegetable pizza,

1575
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: and you get you gotta get a broccoli and vegetable

1576
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: pizza for the party, and there's always one slice gone.

1577
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: The pepperoni pizza is vanished. You're right. The same thing

1578
01:14:54,439 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: with beer Coors Anheuser Busch and Coors made multi billion

1579
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: dollars because their beer, not because their beer didn't stink,

1580
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: it because it was great, not just passable. And you

1581
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: can you get all these guys heh, he came in drink. Listen,

1582
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: Yes you can. They're great. They're great, and that's why

1583
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: they're the biggest selling brand in this country and now

1584
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: the microbridge. They're fun for a change. And in fact,

1585
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: I got a favorite place in I got a favorite

1586
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: place in EA that does and that. I go to

1587
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: a couple of places and they're great. I love them.

1588
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: But man, when it comes down to it, when you're

1589
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna when it's gonna be a long weekend, you go

1590
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: back to you go back to the basics, and you

1591
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: bring out you bring out the Anheuser Busch and the

1592
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: Coors banquet, man, I will say, and you go all

1593
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: weekend with the buffalo. You bring out the bath, right,

1594
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: you bring up the bath the blues, but and the Yeah,

1595
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: I had this. It sounds you have sons, adult sons

1596
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: as I do. Around four or five years ago, when

1597
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: my sons were just getting into beer age, they were

1598
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: all about the micro bruise and the and the craft beers.

1599
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: Introduced me to that and I thought, yeah, that's good.

1600
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: That's good. But I used to say to them, and

1601
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying the same thing you are. Look, the Bush

1602
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: family knew a thing or two about making beers. Obviously

1603
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: they made billions of dollars doing it, so don't but

1604
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: they you know, they they would make fun. In fact,

1605
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: I've been with them and they had like waitresses make

1606
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: fun of me for ordering a Budweiser. Like I distinctly

1607
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: recall some ordering Audweiser says really, yeah, really, I want

1608
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: a Budwiser. I don't always get Budweiser. I totally get,

1609
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: totally get you because you know, I listen, my guys

1610
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: did it, they'll get these. We went out, your boys,

1611
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: your son, yeah, placing Ea got like sixty five taps. Right.

1612
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: We go in there and he's like, hey, yeah, you

1613
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: know you get I get like a Corona or a Stella,

1614
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 1: one of those here, and for me, that's you know,

1615
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of an exotic beer. Right. So he goes

1616
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: in and gets this raspberry tard blah blah whatever it was.

1617
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: They get the bill, it's a fifteen dollars poor. I'm like, yeah,

1618
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: give me a Budweiser. Yeah, you know right, they're like

1619
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: six dollars for a twelve you know what I mean?

1620
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: Exactly what you mean. And I'm not a you know

1621
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: it's not Listen. I've been prosperous enough in my life

1622
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: to buy whatever beer I want. I can afford any

1623
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: beer success, right, I can also afford not to. Hey,

1624
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't have to apologize for drinking bud Light or Budweiser,

1625
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: a Couers, a coures Light or anything. Here's another Twitter

1626
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: poll exactly that's what I said. Where did this come from?

1627
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: Was it the commercial Leade commercial when they said what

1628
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: do they say double I pas and some other Yeah, yes,

1629
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: and I get it. Not the Elkooville Brewery down there,

1630
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: first one Awesome, forty two North, the Buffalo Beer Project.

1631
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: There's a ton of great little micro breweries. Love them.

1632
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: They're great. But let me tell you something, just like

1633
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: I said, Murph, when you're in for a weekend, Yeah,

1634
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: you don't have to bring out the heavyweights, man, you

1635
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: bring out the multi billion dollar brewery who makes it

1636
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: by the ten thousand system, the same way, every system.

1637
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: It was the same. It's the same today as it

1638
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: was in nineteen Yes, nineteen eighty three when I turned

1639
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: twenty one. That's where you go to for a big weekend.

1640
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 1: That's a holiday weekend beer. You get four cases of it.

1641
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: You know you gotta pull That's what you go to, right,

1642
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, you go to the faithful. Yeah, when it's

1643
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: you and the boys, you know you gotta have a

1644
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, I have a multiple cooler weekend the pep going.

1645
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: I want I want big bags of crushed ice over

1646
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: the You put the case in the bottom, you put

1647
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: just you take it. Do you spend the time to

1648
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: take it out of the case put them in there loose,

1649
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: so when you gret right, and then you just pour

1650
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: the ice over the top of it, and you just

1651
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: when you reach your hand to the first thing in

1652
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: the morning, you do it before breakfast, so it's ready.

1653
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: Excuse me, oh ice you pour they you put it

1654
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: in the ice before. Well you can't. You can't drink

1655
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: all day unless you start in the mornings, holiday weekends

1656
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: when you're gonna do nothing but sit on the deck,

1657
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: sit on a patio, sit at the pond or the lake,

1658
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: and you're you're not gonna move. I'm sorry, I'm beginning

1659
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: to People got their opinions about my bad Twitter posting,

1660
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: wonder why I brought this up for the second time

1661
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: on the show today. I will remind us all we

1662
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: are on the air, right, Yeah, we are on the here.

1663
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: Mrs got his hand over his heart. When you start

1664
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: talking about sitting on the deck drinking doing nothing all day, yeah,

1665
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: we literally spent about the last ten minutes on drinking beer.

1666
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: And when you got to start in the morning, and

1667
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: you know I didn't say you got to start, cases

1668
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: have gone up. I'm not saying that, Steve start now

1669
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: I get criticized for bad Twitter poles keep going, I'm

1670
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying I'm not saying you have to

1671
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: drink all day. I'm just saying that when you drink,

1672
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: you cannot drink all day unless you start in the morning. Yeah,

1673
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: tell my wife that. That's all people, That's all I'm saying.

1674
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: And it's but I'm with you. It's the same, and

1675
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Speaker 1: I'm like that, not just with the beer, but I said,

1676
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: like like I said, with the pizzas as well. If

1677
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: you've fortunes have been made on pepperoni pizza, it is

1678
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: a It's like micro breweries, a pizza with vegetables on it,

1679
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: or a white pizza. You know, nobody, nobody made it.

1680
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,879
Speaker 1: Nobody made an industry out of vegetable pizza. The industry

1681
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: is built around pepperoni pizza. When when you're when your

1682
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: weekend is going to be built on beer or whatever. Yes,

1683
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: you want to go for those, though you don't need

1684
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: craft brews that you're gonna slow sip and they have

1685
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: too much alcohol content. Pizza. You're gonna go into pizza.

1686
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: You want pepperoni pizza. You don't put micro bruise into

1687
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: the three foot tall glass with the handle on it, right,

1688
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna shoot those. You're not gonna shoot a

1689
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: craft beer now. Now you're gonna shoot a bud light

1690
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: or a Cruis lighter when you when your mindset set

1691
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: for a weekend like that, or if you're really gonna

1692
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: go hard with pizza, go with go with what work

1693
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: you pepper broccoli pizza last night? You go, so you

1694
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: go pepperoni. Yeah, and then you and then to go

1695
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: to you know, if you're gonna get the only vegetable

1696
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: you go to is maybe mushrooms or something, maybe black,

1697
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: but it's gotta be No, I mean, that's that's a

1698
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: that's a fringe for me. But I'm yeah, I'm totally

1699
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: with you on the You don't have to apologize for

1700
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: any you know, no any going to with the big fellas, right, No,

1701
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: I know, And I've I've been ridiculed by servers for

1702
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: order and I don't always do it. Sometimes I'll order

1703
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: a crappy or something or whatever. I'm not but yeah,

1704
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: if I want a Budweiser or or the Bats, I'm

1705
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: not gonna feel guilty about it. There's no reason to,

1706
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: right Yeah, Okay, yeah, but thanks, Yeah, I'm totally with you.

1707
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: I don't Eve, it's almost over. I don't know how

1708
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: to get back on track. So I think we should

1709
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: take a break. Reset the Twitter, reset the Twitter pulse,

1710
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, and one time, make sure we do that.

1711
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: The Twitter poll, epic Twitter poll today. Contract years. I

1712
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: thought we hadn't understanding what a contract year is, but

1713
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: a handful of Bills players are entering their contract years.

1714
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: Which one will have the biggest eight twenty eighteen season?

1715
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: Who do you think? Give us a call? Line's open,

1716
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: talk about beer. We'll talk about that, whatever you'd like.

1717
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: Eight oh three five fifty or toll free one eight

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01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. John Murphy, Steve Tasker,

1719
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: one Bills Live from One Bills Drive and this is

1720
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Joe continues, John Murphy, Steve Tasker, One

1721
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 1: Bills Live. Got the Belmont Stakes coming up Saturday, Steve,

1722
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: So today's Wednesday, So a couple of days away, I'll

1723
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: have your pick for you. Is gonna Is he gonna

1724
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: do it? Justified? Probably? I haven't looked at the field yet.

1725
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they had the post edition draw yet,

1726
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: but you justifies very very very good. You can't possibly

1727
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,560
Speaker 1: know less about it than me, except I know that

1728
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: horse when I also have heard that for some reason,

1729
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: you maybe you can explain it to me. There's like

1730
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: six horses in this race. I don't know. There's like

1731
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: like two thousand horses into Kentucky Derby. I mean they

1732
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: get that, they got like two starting gates they got

1733
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: to use for that one race. And then there's like

1734
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: eleven what was their eleven horses in about eleven the Preakness,

1735
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: and now there's gonna be like six or seven in

1736
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: this race. I don't think they've set the field yet.

1737
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: Look what's the story with that? Why? Why does it

1738
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: keep dropping because nobody wants to running? Is justified? Or

1739
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: I think, well it's a mile and a half for one,

1740
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: that's the longest distance. What's the difference. Well, and well,

1741
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: so what if it's harder, it's they're not running, it's

1742
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: a horse. They're trying to take care of these horses.

1743
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: They're trying to put tacking on a couple of hundred yards.

1744
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna like what's gonna happen? They're gonna drop dead.

1745
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: They might have you ever seen a horse drop? I

1746
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 1: saw someone come up lame summer. If they got they

1747
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: got snapped drive from just exhaustion. Steve, I saw a

1748
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: horse drop dead on the track last summer at forty era.

1749
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: You are kidding me. No, it's terrible. I don't doubt that.

1750
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,440
Speaker 1: I just didn't. They are different. I didn't know that happened. Absolutely,

1751
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: horses dropped dead on the track. Yeah, like they like

1752
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: they just kind of stop running then just die. They

1753
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: kill over. It's it's awful. Really, yeah, I'm not making

1754
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: you're kidding me, because that's news to me. See, I

1755
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: knew I saw, remember the one where they had the

1756
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: horse was gonna win the triple Crown and they broke

1757
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: its leg on which was tragic, and that was awful.

1758
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: That was just absolutely awful. And they put the horse

1759
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: down right there on the track and I and I

1760
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: saw it, but I get that it was the horse

1761
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: was injured, and I that's tragic, and you hate to

1762
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: see that and at all you don't want to see

1763
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: anything happened like that. But you're just telling me that

1764
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: because it's such a long race, and how long was

1765
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: forty earies race when that horse was short. But again,

1766
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: it's well it's not it's not always the same thing.

1767
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: There's no formula run who's the trainer of a horse

1768
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: it's not in shape enough to run a short race.

1769
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: It's complicated, Steve. The horses are different levels at forty ear,

1770
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: either a certain caliber of horse that may or may

1771
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: not be fit to run that day. There's luck involved,

1772
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it, and they don't.

1773
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: That's not the reason why they don't run horses in

1774
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: the Belmont Stakes. A lot of it is they're not

1775
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: bred for that distance. They have no chance of winning.

1776
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: There's an entry fee, they're three year olds, they're young.

1777
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: They want to protect them and maybe have more successful

1778
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: racing careers for them later on, save them for breeding

1779
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: later on. I'm looking here, it looks like one, two, three, four, five, six,

1780
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: seven eight, about ten horses at least now, and they

1781
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: haven't done the post position draw yet. Ten horses in

1782
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 1: the running, it appears for the Belmont Stake. How much

1783
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 1: time before the race do they have to have? I mean,

1784
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: when does this all get set? Like I say, no,

1785
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: we're not taking any more entries that kind of thing. Well,

1786
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: they have to qualify, and so there it looks like

1787
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: about ten have qualified and I what say Wednesday, but

1788
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: tomorrow I would think I'll have the draw for post

1789
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: positions and all the qualifying Now, are they're specific qualifying

1790
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: races or or just got to meet stain standards? Like

1791
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: what did you win this much money? Oh? I got

1792
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: you three years old? You know right? Right? I get that.

1793
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: And then and then if they win certain races, or

1794
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: if they win enough money at a track or other tracks,

1795
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: then they can get they qualify to get in. Now

1796
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: how like for instance, there you say there's ten or

1797
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: eleven horses in this how many? And I don't know

1798
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: if you even know this? Is there any way I know, like,

1799
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: are there thousands of horses that would meet that criteria?

1800
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Or hundreds, dozens, hundreds, hundreds? But again or does this

1801
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: is the cream of the crop. These are the best

1802
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: three year olds in the country, so they know who

1803
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: it's all breeding, right when you're three, it's like who

1804
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: are your parents? Well? Yeah, I mean we we talked

1805
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: about Justify. And then in the Kentucky Derby, of the

1806
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: twenty horses, eleven or so or maybe more than that,

1807
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: maybe there was like all of them had a genetic

1808
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: tie to the Secretariat. I don't recall that. I remember

1809
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: reading that, and Justifies one of them he's directly tied

1810
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: to Secretariat. There's a horse named Gronkowski going to be

1811
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: in the field, named after Rob Gronkowski. Did you know that? Yeah,

1812
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: Justify the early four to five favorites. So it's going

1813
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: to be a tough race to handicap again to make

1814
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 1: money because um, Justify's going to be a big favorite

1815
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: and it could be a triple Crown winner. In fact,

1816
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 1: I would think it's likely to happen. And I heard

1817
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: that they had sold his breeding rights for sixty million already,

1818
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: probably yeah, sixty million. Yeah. Speaking of Grenkowski, Rob met

1819
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: the media yesterday. Can I switch to football for a

1820
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: second or I'm totally tracking with you, Rob Gronkowski. This

1821
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: office atmosphere is really conriusive to to our chemistry. Rob

1822
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: Grenkowski met with the media in Foxborough yesterday, his first

1823
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: day back at Patriots mandatory Minicampum. He you know, he

1824
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: had injuries, obviously, he's got contractual concerns, and he talked

1825
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: about returning to the Patriots, why he came back, and

1826
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,879
Speaker 1: what he hopes to get out of this mandatory miniicamp

1827
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: this spring. Rob Grunkowski, the most enjoyable fine of it

1828
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: was just seeing the guys again Camaradie around the locker

1829
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: room out on the field. Um, it's just good. You

1830
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: had a little pep in your step out there or

1831
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: was it thank you out here? It was great? I

1832
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: feel good. Um, a lot of excitement obviously obviously has

1833
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: a Jenners coming into because you know, first time when

1834
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: it's when it's been a while, you get the jitters

1835
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: going out there. You just just don't know. It's football.

1836
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: You got to compete your competing verse really good players

1837
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: every time you step out on the field. So I

1838
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: felt good. Well, was there a point this off season

1839
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: you thought you might retire? I mean I was just

1840
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: seeing where I was at first. I mean obviously after

1841
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: long of seasons or hauling seasons, long hauling seasons, and uh,

1842
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean that definitely was in the mind. But I

1843
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: had to do what I had to do, and uh

1844
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: I felt, uh where I felt good enough, get my

1845
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 1: body prepared, get my body right again. See where my

1846
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 1: body was at, see where my mind was at, and

1847
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be back out here. Rob Gunkownski, how

1848
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: about that, Steve, He admitted that in the back of

1849
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: his mind was possible retirement. That surprise me about Rob,

1850
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: I don't think of that. I don't know. I don't

1851
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it surprises me. I know what

1852
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: it's like to go through a long season and get

1853
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: beating a Super Bowl, and I think, and I think

1854
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, where the success that

1855
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: he's had and I know this was true at the

1856
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: end of my career as well. You've won so many

1857
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: big games that when you get to one and you

1858
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: lose it, it's the wins never outweigh the pain of

1859
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: the losses. The wins no longer to seek. You know,

1860
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: they're no longer the highs that they were at one point,

1861
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 1: they're no longer you know that worth that joyous, and

1862
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: you really put in so much effort into getting to

1863
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: those games and winning them that when you don't win them,

1864
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: the pain far outweighs the joy you feel. Particularly a

1865
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: guy like Gronkowski and Tom Brady who have played and

1866
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: won so many big games that a regular season win

1867
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: for them is like is a yawner. You know, they

1868
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: expect that, and then to get into a big game

1869
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: and lose that, that's a real painful loss. And I

1870
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: think when you do that at this point in his career,

1871
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: if you been in the league so long, had so

1872
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 1: much success. I can see him saying, you know, do

1873
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: I am I up for this again? You know? So

1874
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: I think when he acknowledges that it doesn't surprise me,

1875
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: surprise me. I don't think of the end of his

1876
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: career yet. In fact, he's been hurt so often that

1877
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 1: I often think about Rob Gronkowski, man, just get healthy

1878
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: for a while and stay healthy for a while, because

1879
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: you'll be in the Hall of Fame. I mean, he

1880
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 1: still might be there, but you know what I mean,

1881
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I feel like we've never really got a chance for

1882
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: a long sustained tenure from Rob Gronkowski. You know what

1883
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's always is he ready? Is he not?

1884
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Is he ready? Is his back okay? Is this okay?

1885
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 1: And I just I hate to think of the end

1886
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: of his career because, first of all, I've known him

1887
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: for years, decades, and I want him to I want

1888
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: him to be successful for a long long time. I

1889
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: hate to think that he's even entertaining the thought of

1890
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: a possible uh you know, retirement. Well, I mean, I

1891
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,560
Speaker 1: don't know if he's entertaining it or thought get that

1892
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: much about it. But I'm sure. You know, you've got

1893
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: us kind of start looking at at your life, and

1894
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know how how much thought

1895
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: he put into it. I don't know whether he was

1896
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: tempted to do it, or whether he just said, I

1897
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: wonder what I would do, or you know, if I

1898
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: started getting my mind around what I'm gonna do when

1899
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm not playing football. I don't know how much of

1900
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: all of that spectrum that you can go from one

1901
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: and the other he's talking about went through his mind

1902
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: this offseason. But I think, you know, this is a

1903
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 1: guy and he's started in two thousand and ten and

1904
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 1: it's gonna be twenty and eighteen, and he's been hurt.

1905
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's not easy and as fun

1906
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: as it looks being Rob Gronkowski, there's a lot of

1907
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: times when none of us want to be him. Yeah,

1908
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: I think he's a Hall of Famer now if he

1909
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: never played again, not after an eight year career, right,

1910
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: eight year, I think he's close. Right, Oh he's yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1911
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: he's um. Yeah, he's played in one hundred and two games.

1912
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: That's that's on the lower side for a tight end.

1913
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: And you look guys at like uh Tony Gonzalez, Antonio

1914
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Gates and those guys who are pretty for sure hall

1915
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: of famers. Um. Even the guy that my former teammates

1916
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: in town last week, Pete Metzlars, played in over two

1917
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,560
Speaker 1: hundred uh and played more games at the end of

1918
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: his career than any player other in the history of

1919
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the game at tied end. And he's you know, and

1920
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: so his numbers are what they are. Gronkowski, though, has

1921
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: been an enormous weapon in his time, and I think

1922
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: he can get to ten years. I think he is

1923
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: absolutely a Hall of Famer. I think you can get

1924
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: I think if he can get to twenty twenty, he

1925
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: could walk away and be a Hall of Famer. I

1926
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: hope so. But I do think that's a kind of

1927
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: a threshold I would look at. But that's just yeah,

1928
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: that's just some guy on a radio show. I mean,

1929
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a vote. I got a

1930
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: call here from Patrick in lockboard. Patrick, go ahead, you're

1931
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: on the air with us, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having

1932
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: me on. So I may represent a local beer project.

1933
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: And I heard your guys conversation before, and uh, good place, Steve.

1934
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: You ever been up there? Yeah? I was up I've

1935
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: been up there in the last month, a different one here.

1936
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: So I think that local raft beer is like Josh

1937
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: Allen and the big beers that have always been around

1938
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 1: are basically like the Bills quarterbacks we've had for the

1939
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: last years. Okay, you know, they show up, they they

1940
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: do the job. I guess when you meet them, they

1941
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: taste kind of like what you think a quarterback should

1942
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: be like. And then you get something like Josh Allen

1943
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,560
Speaker 1: or a craft beer where yeah, it's a little bit unproven,

1944
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: but you know it's got all the right ingredients to

1945
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,560
Speaker 1: be great, and you give it some time to condition,

1946
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: you learn a little bit more about it, you get

1947
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: the education, and in the end you get this product

1948
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: that you realize, Holy I couldn't live without this if

1949
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 1: if I knew this before. So that's what I think.

1950
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: I think he's that that kind of thing. And maybe

1951
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: you guys take a look at it that way. Yeah,

1952
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: you get brought, You get him to a place where

1953
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: Buffalo wouldn't be the same without him, right, I mean

1954
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: that's craft beers and then that's well, that's a little

1955
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: bit like Jim Kelly would have been. Right. He comes in,

1956
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 1: he's a little unproven, a little bit, a little bit

1957
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: out rageous as a young quarterback, and then uh, it

1958
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: ends up he's part of the culture. That's what your

1959
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 1: craft beers are shooting for, being that kind of beer. Well,

1960
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: you know what you talk about the elicant Ville Brewery,

1961
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: the Blue Moon down there, that's that's kind of a local.

1962
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of a local institution here. Right, I'm just thinking,

1963
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: what is Tyrod Taylor like Genesee Cremel, what what? What?

1964
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I'm trying to follow Patrick's And

1965
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna open up, now what somebody's gonna commit and

1966
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: call him Ziema, They're gonna call you know, they're gonna

1967
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:32,560
Speaker 1: call him. You know. O'douel's one of those, you know,

1968
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: so you gotta be careful. But yeah, I mean that's

1969
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: there's I don't know what Patrick's getting at other than

1970
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: promoting his project New York Beer Project. I'm not quite

1971
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: sure what Patrick's What is twist was there? Yeah, that's

1972
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 1: a good one. Now, who would who would Bryan Fitzpatrick be?

1973
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 1: What beer would he be? What alcoholic beverage would fitsicuois?

1974
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 1: One of those small Yeah, Patrick, you're not thinking I

1975
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: get that point. But yeah, yeah, there you go. All right,

1976
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: a break care when we come back. Joel Corey, former

1977
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: NFL agent, talks about salary caffe issues for CBS Sports

1978
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: dot Com. I'm gonna talk to us about a couple

1979
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: of contractual issues, Joel Corey. Coming up in the third

1980
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: and final hour of the show, One Bill's Live presented

1981
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: by Collida Health. We are live at One Bill's Drive

1982
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:25,839
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bills Radio. It is One Bill's Live presented

1983
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: by Collida Health. John Murphy, Steve Tasker comedy from One

1984
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. Steve, One thing I gotta say I've been

1985
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: I love the NBA Playoffs the last several weeks. I

1986
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: can't believe tonight's game in Cleveland tips off at nine.

1987
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't I know it's Golden State, West Coast six o'clock

1988
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: West Coast time, But come on, throw me a bone here, right,

1989
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 1: nine o'clock tip off tonight means midnight end of the game,

1990
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: which means I come in here miserable tomorrow because I

1991
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 1: can't sleep. I mean, make it eight o'clock right seven? Well,

1992
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: now that's four o'clock in the afternoon in Golden State,

1993
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: But well that's where they're fan and seven. That's where

1994
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: much of the nine o'clock, nine o'clock that's not right.

1995
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: I know it's it's NBA's not so bad as to

1996
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: two and a half hour game, right, Well, they'll get

1997
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: to three hours, right because of Yeah, so it's a

1998
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: mid over at midnight. That's come on, man, I agree.

1999
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Will you watch it's six o'clock out west then, right, yep,

2000
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 1: will you watch it? Can't make it five? They could,

2001
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: that's my point. They could. Yeah, I see, that's that's

2002
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: so wrong, man, I I yeah, I'm with you, though,

2003
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll watch you watch Grant. We'll have a

2004
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: conversation about it tomorrow. And I'm you know, I'm I

2005
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: didn't know they were tipping it off at nine. That's

2006
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 1: that we could go. In the series began, we had

2007
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: our predictions. I said Lebron will be the MVP, and

2008
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: I think the series will go seven games, Golden State

2009
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: will win. I feel more certain about my Lebron pick

2010
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 1: for MVP, less certain about my seven game prediction. I

2011
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: picked him in seven, I mean six, Yeah, I picked

2012
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: him in. It might be fewer than that, yeah, I

2013
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: mean it should be one more. They got absolutely that game.

2014
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: They earned the victory in Game one and they got

2015
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: a stolen from them. You can you can pick your

2016
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: reason as to why, whether they fumbled it away, dropped

2017
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: the game, or whether the officials blew they rehearsal on

2018
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: the charge. I mean, there's fifteen things that happened in

2019
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: that game that shouldn't have happened. They all happened against Cleveland,

2020
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: and it costs them the game. But the games, it's

2021
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: in the books, that's where it goes. So that's having

2022
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: said that, Um, it's gonna be hard for Cleveland to

2023
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 1: come back that. I think that really took. I took that.

2024
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: That took the emotion out of the series for the

2025
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: for the Calves. I think that that they are not

2026
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: going to recover from that. I'm not saying that they're

2027
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: not gonna get swept, but maybe if they don't win tonight,

2028
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: um yeah, well obviously so they're down too. If they

2029
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: go down three, it's done. We are deep into ota

2030
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: season with the four teams at least into mini camps,

2031
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: and still contracts are always a big issue in the NFL,

2032
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: and one of the foremost experts on NFL contracts is

2033
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: on the line with us right now. Former agent for

2034
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: several NFL players deals with NFL contracts and the Sundary

2035
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Cap for CBS Sports dot Com and four football posts.

2036
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: Happy to have Joel Corey on the subway for a

2037
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: state contline with us. Joel, Good afternoon, John Murphy, Steve Task,

2038
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you're in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us. Oh, thanks for

2039
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: having me, and stop complaining. It's not tape delay like

2040
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: in the latest that I remember that, right? Do you

2041
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: remember that? Can you believe that they'd have like games

2042
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia that would tip off at seven thirty to

2043
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: be on the TV at what ten thirty or eleven?

2044
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: Back then? Yeah? Also you couldn't find out anything about

2045
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the game because there was no readily available information, so

2046
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 1: it worked. But no, there's no social media or no Internet,

2047
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you're right, I mean, and I'll be

2048
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: honest with the Joel. Fifteen years ago, I wouldn't bother

2049
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: me nine o'clock tipoff, The older I get, the later that. Look,

2050
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you with that. I just live on the

2051
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: West coast, so oh well for me, right, would it

2052
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 1: matter a question about basketball here? Would it matter to

2053
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: you if the game tipped off at four pm California

2054
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: time or five pm? Five would probably be more of

2055
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 1: a sweet spot. Ford'd be tough for West Coast workers,

2056
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,640
Speaker 1: but five you could probably do all right, So we

2057
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: could make it eight o'clock tonight at any rate. Joe,

2058
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: we didn't come here to talk to you about That's

2059
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 1: all we know. That's all I know about basketball. I

2060
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: want to talk You wrote a post on CBS sports

2061
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: dot com about Aaron Rodgers deal as he tries to

2062
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 1: get a opt out clause. I confess ignorance here, can you?

2063
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 1: I think I know what an opt out clause is

2064
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers is looking for. But explain it to me.

2065
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 1: What do you mean by an opt out clause for

2066
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Well, he wants the ability to avoid his

2067
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: contract at some point. Typically, if you have a type

2068
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 1: of voidable clause an NFL contract, it's usually for salary

2069
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: cap purposes, like with Drew Brees's extension in sixteen, so

2070
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: you can proade a signing bonus over more years. He

2071
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,520
Speaker 1: can proade through the voidable years and those would automatically

2072
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: avoid on a specified date. You rarely see an NFL

2073
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,919
Speaker 1: contract where a player can decide to turn the contract

2074
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 1: early so he can hit free agency again. You see

2075
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: that in basketball all the time, but that's something which

2076
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: is extremely rare in football. He's got two years left

2077
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: on his deal, so he doesn't have a lot of

2078
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: leverage to demand that type of clause right that, it's

2079
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: not very likely that's going to happen. Could he use

2080
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Is he just trying to add more bargaining chips to

2081
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 1: the table, knowing he's not going to get a lot

2082
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: of them, but knowing that gives him more leverage to

2083
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: throw back and forth with the Packers and raise his deal,

2084
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: or is he gonna it seems to me he'll sit

2085
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: tight until everybody else is signed, correct, I mean, but

2086
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: everyone is signed because the last Domino was Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Because once Ryan was done, there's no other quarterback that's

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Speaker 1: gonna get done this year. So it was about doing

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01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: a conventional deal that Ryan was done early May. This

2090
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 1: deal should already be done. I was questions two million,

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01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four million. I was thinking more along time,

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Speaker 1: and not more of a quarterback, but like Aaron Donald

2093
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: and all those mega deals as well, So if he

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01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: could go, if he was going to work a percentages deal,

2095
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: like you know, the quarterbacks are maybe eight fifteen or

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01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the cap, depending on what was going

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01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: to happen, that he would even bring Aaron Donald's deal

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01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: into the mix if if he wanted to go that route.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's probably not going to happen. But

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01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean that's it's his turn now, correct, Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: So they typically do his deals with two years left.

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Speaker 1: He's got two years left. So this is the timing

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01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: everyone expected to me if he was going to play

2104
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 1: hardball and I want this opt out. He's thirty four now.

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01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: He needed to do that in twenty thirteen when he

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01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 1: was twenty nine, and then if he wanted to play

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01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: the franchise tag game. That's one of the reasons why

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01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: Green Bay wouldn't do it. Because he's under contract through

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Then they can stick in exclusive franchise tag,

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01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: which I'm projecting to ride around twenty twenty nine point

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Speaker 1: five million on him, and then the next year twenty

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01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: percent more year over thirty five million and twenty twenty

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01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 1: than he's thirty eight. He could have better played that

2114
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: game five years ago, and then he was either going

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01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: to hit the market and seventeen or eighteen if they

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01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: stuck a third franchise tag on him, and then he

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01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: could have named his price either last year or this year.

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Speaker 1: Granted you have guys like Breeze and Brady playing at

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01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: extremely high level into the late thirties, and now Brady's

2120
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Speaker 1: hidden uncharted territory at forty one, which will be this year.

2121
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna be more hesitant to break the bank for

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Speaker 1: a guy in as late thirties as you would five

2123
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: years ago if he wanted to go this route. So

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01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of leverage to do so,

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01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: so it's got probably gonna be a more conventional deal.

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01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: You're right if it may be a way to try

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01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 1: to get a better structure for a more conventional deal

2128
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 1: by not conceding this issue until later in negotiations on

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Speaker 1: the line with Joe Corey, former NFL player agent, writes

2130
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: about contracts in the Salary Cap for CBS sports dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about some others, including the Aaron Donald and

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01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: the Rams. Is that a timetable that well, something will

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01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 1: happen before they get to camp, before the season begins,

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01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: or is there not that kind of pressure on the

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01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: Rams to get a deal done there? There's an old

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01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: adage that the longer you wait to sign a very

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01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: good to great player, the more it's gonna cost, particularly

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01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: ones in their prime. Aaron Donald held out last year,

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01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: got nothing for it contractually. They should have done the

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01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: deal before he became Defensive Player of the Year. Without

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01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: the had without the benefit of a training camp or preseason,

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01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 1: price goes up. I think the problem that was last

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Speaker 1: week's article for CBS, which is on Khalil Mack and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, that if I'm the agents, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: how the quarterback market is escalated, and I'm looking at

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01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: the historical relationship between the highest paid non quarterback and

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01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: quarterback in terms of salary and guarantees, and I want

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01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: the non quarterback market to keep pace and keep that

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01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: traditional relationship. That means you're talking twenty three and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollars per year, eighty five million overall guarantees,

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01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: and you're getting close to seventy million fully guaranteed as signing.

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01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 1: You don't have a twenty million dollars per year non

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01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: quarterback yet. So to take that type of dramatic jump,

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01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: I think both the Raiders and the Rams have sticker

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01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 1: shock with Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald, and that's maybe

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01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: the big hold up, but yeah, you got to get

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01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: those guys done. Yeah, you got a problem of locker room.

2158
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 1: You don't pay your best players. So if I think

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Speaker 1: I read recently where someone had a theory that the

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01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: relationship between quarterback salaries and non quarterback salaries there's not

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Speaker 1: gonna follow anymore, that it won't be that the non

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01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 1: quarterbacks won't follow the quarterback salaries as closely as they

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01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 1: have in the past. Is that accurate? You see that happening? Uh,

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01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: tell that to Joel Siegel and Todd France to represent

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald. They're not gonna buy that,

2166
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,839
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't either. But it has to follow the quarterbacks.

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01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Excuse me, they have to follow the quarterback salaries. They

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Speaker 1: those numbers go up, so everybody else will too. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna advocate. Yeah, they're gonna say, Look,

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Speaker 1: this is how it's been um traditionally since the under

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01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 1: the this new CBA, we've been about eighty percent of

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01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 1: the dollars for the quarterback the average. So it needs

2173
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: to stay in line, and you're not going to get

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Speaker 1: those guys to agree to much less than that. And

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01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: then what's Aaron Rodgers gets done, Presumably he'll get done

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01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: for the regular season. Say he's at thirty two, thirty three,

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Speaker 1: and they still take that position and those deals get

2178
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: harder to do. Yeah, what is what sets the mark?

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Speaker 1: And I know that there's a there's got to be

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Speaker 1: a balance here between how big the contract is, or

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01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: actually how big the contract could be, in relation to

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01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: how much of it is guaranteed. Now, is the way

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01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: they do that these days done by percentages or is

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01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 1: it just a number that the player himself negotiates for

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01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 1: aside from the overall value of the contract. Well, Kirk

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01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Cousins has kind of thrown the old percentages out of

2187
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: whack because he actually played the franchise tag game, became

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01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: unrestricted and changed the paradigm by getting eighty four million,

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01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed it's signing, fully guaranteed deal. Before him, it

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01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 1: was sixty point five with Matthew Stafford and that's a

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01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: huge jump, and that allowed matt Ryan to get the

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Speaker 1: ninety four point five fully guaranteed it's signing. So I

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01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: don't know for that particular aspect. You can keep any

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01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: percentages from the past in play, and you're gonna have

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01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: a harder time. I think those guys are getting the

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01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: guarantees to go up to match how the Cousins changed

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Speaker 1: the dynamic for quarterbacks. I think that may be a

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Speaker 1: bigger sticking point than the overall dollars. But before it

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01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,759
Speaker 1: was Matthew Stafford the most money fully guaranteed. Its signing

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01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: was a defensive alignment, and Dominican sue it a shade

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Speaker 1: under sixty. What about Kellio mac what's your forecast for him?

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01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 1: And how eager will the Raiders be to pay him

2203
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: the kind of numbers you're talking about. Well, apparently they're

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01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: not too eager because he's not getting done. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they really don't have the room either, or

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01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,719
Speaker 1: do they, I mean, really got a fourteen million dollars

2207
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: option year salary you can create room out of. He

2208
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: can create his own cap room because you could take

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01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: his salary theoretically down to his minimum, convert the rest

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01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: into signing bonus, and remain cap neutral. They wouldn't do that,

2211
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 1: but they don't really need cap room additional cap room

2212
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 1: to do his deal. He can create his own or

2213
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: they can stay cap neutral doing his deal, so they

2214
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 1: can't really use cap room as an excuse for him.

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01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't think David Carr, not David Derek Carr did

2216
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 1: him any favors by leaving some money on the table,

2217
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: particularly the guarantees, because he has forty million fully guaranteed

2218
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: at signing a shade over seventy overall. And typically your

2219
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 1: quarterback leads in all contract metrics. And now that that

2220
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 1: whole guarantees have gone out the window or gone up

2221
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:50,799
Speaker 1: so much for quarterbacks, and Mac's gonna want the increased

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01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: to apply to non quarterbacks. That's going to be a

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Speaker 1: sticking point, Joel. There's holding out of voluntary workouts providing

2224
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 1: any leverage at offer Aaron Donald Khalil Mac, I mean

2225
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything for them as far as having their

2226
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: message heard by these teams. Well, I actually went through

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01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: a couple of holdouts as an agent with Jimmy Smith

2228
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 1: and King of McCardell, and I always thought a holdout

2229
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: was a last resort that you don't withhold services Untie

2230
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,679
Speaker 1: have exhausted all other avenues. It's very easy to hold

2231
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: out of something voluntary where you aren't putting any money

2232
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: at risk. Once mandatory. Many camp starts us basically eighty

2233
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars for the three days we'll see at

2234
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 1: all these guys around the league who have been not

2235
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 1: attending the voluntary workouts. Who decides to put money at

2236
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:40,759
Speaker 1: risk and then once training camp huge deterrent forty thousand

2237
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: dollars per day, and then you're putting part of your

2238
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: signing bonus at risk as well. Most holdouts don't work.

2239
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown didn't get money, got traded Camp. Chancellor a

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01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: couple of years ago got nothing for his holdout, Aaron

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01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 1: Donald nothing. So you have to be someone who has

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01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of conviction and be willing to see that

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01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: thing through like a duo reeves, and have enough leverage

2244
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 1: to get paid through a holdout. Hey, Joe Corey is

2245
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 1: on the line with us from CBS Sports dot com.

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01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: Former player agent. A couple of weeks ago, you wrote

2247
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 1: a post. We may have spoken about this with you before, Joel,

2248
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 1: but I still scratched my head about Sammy Watkins deal

2249
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: and how he got the kind of money he got

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Speaker 1: as a free agent without having the kind of numbers

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01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: that normally would would generate those those figures, those salary figures.

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01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: You wrote about it, right, and maybe there is something?

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01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Is there anything to it. You said, how Sammy Watkins

2254
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: contract is changing the game. What happens when a receiver

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01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: gets a huge deal without elite production? What happened there

2256
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: and how much did that change the game? That's the

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01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: biggest head scratching deal of free agency. The receiver market

2258
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: in general was out was surprising because you had guys

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01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 1: who hadn't produced a second receivers getting eight million dollars

2260
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,040
Speaker 1: per year, which was surprising. But the Watkins deal, I

2261
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 1: didn't see that one coming. I guess he's getting paid.

2262
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,719
Speaker 1: You're getting paid for what they expect you to do. Yeah,

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01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 1: And also he has that top five pick pedigree, and

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01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 1: sometimes you get guys who get more chances or get

2265
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: paid more than they should because of that. And the

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01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: guy I remember a long time ago kept getting tons

2267
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: of chances to play was Andre Bruce as a top

2268
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 1: five pick. But I don't see how this is going

2269
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 1: to work out or he's gonna go up to the contract.

2270
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: Because you got a thousand yard rusher, a thousand yard

2271
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:32,959
Speaker 1: tight end, thousand yard receiver already in Kansas City, rooky quarterback.

2272
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Something has to give. And I blame Sammy Watkins for

2273
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 1: Julio Jones not being around because he's looking at it

2274
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: that it takes him basically two and a half years

2275
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: to do what I do in one year, and this

2276
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:51,639
Speaker 1: guy's making money, more money than I am. Suddenly he's

2277
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 1: thinking something has to give there. So that's a deal

2278
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: that every good receiver is going to report to. You

2279
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 1: think the Rams are going to point to You think

2280
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: the Rams can get Brandon Cook's done for less than

2281
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, the guy that they wouldn't sign. They gave

2282
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: a first round pick to get Brandon Cooks. Good luck

2283
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: with that to read kill if he outperformed Sammy Watkins.

2284
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 1: You can't pay the less productive guy more than the

2285
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: more productive guy. You got a problem because of that deal.

2286
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: That deal is going to be the lynchpin or in

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01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 1: the benchmark, which is going to be the bane of

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01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: existence for every team negotiator. Odell Beckham's going to go, Hey,

2289
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 1: my twenty million per year that I want is reasonable

2290
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 1: based on what Sammy Watkins is making. Yeah, you know,

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01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Watkins deal, and I think I've

2292
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: said this before. I wonder if the Chiefs and maybe

2293
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 1: the other team's interested in him. The fact that it

2294
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,599
Speaker 1: took you know that the Bills actually used two first

2295
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: rounders to get Sammy Watkins made him more valuable than

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01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 1: he actually is in terms of production. Is that Does

2297
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 1: that sound like a plausible explanation for that? Well, I

2298
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: think why he got the deal as you had more

2299
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: demand than expected, and anytime you got more than one

2300
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 1: team and a competent agent, he can play those two

2301
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: teams off against each other. And he had from reports,

2302
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: green Bay, Dallas and a couple of other teams interested. Um,

2303
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 1: so that's a perfect storm foreign agent. But sometimes the

2304
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 1: best deal is the deal you don't do. So Green

2305
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: Bay Dallas, maybe not Dallas because they have no real

2306
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 1: legitim receivers in my opinion, but sometimes the best deal

2307
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 1: is the one you don't do. Yeah. Yeah, that makes

2308
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: that And that's that's been an axiom throughout the history

2309
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: of the NFL, because you don't want to go down

2310
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole and start in a money pit like

2311
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: well like Sammy Watkins has been for the teams that

2312
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 1: have signed him. I mean, he cost the Bills a

2313
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 1: couple of draft picks. Then he goes to the Rams

2314
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: and they didn't sign him back, and now the Kansas

2315
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 1: City Chiefs are throwing more money at him. So it's

2316
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 1: it's an axiom that the deals you don't make sometimes

2317
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 1: you look back on and breathe a sigh of relief.

2318
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 1: They hats off to him for getting the team to

2319
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 1: pay him. We'll see can you live up to it? Hey, Joel,

2320
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:58,719
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about one more contract, Buffalo

2321
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 1: Bill's transaction just last week. I haven't I haven't read

2322
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: anything you've written about it, but the way they came

2323
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 1: to terms with Eric Wood electing to take the whole

2324
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 1: hit this year instead of waiting till after June first,

2325
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: spreading it out two years. Any thoughts on how the

2326
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: Bills reached that injury settlement with Eric Wood and d

2327
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: Was it a good faith effort to thank Eric for

2328
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: his long and distinguished career here? What did you make

2329
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 1: of that? I have a feeling they were probably trying

2330
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 1: to avoid a grievance because he was thinking, I'm entitled

2331
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 1: to everything. I don't know what the exact settlement amount was,

2332
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:38,600
Speaker 1: but anytime there's a settlement, that's usually to avoid some

2333
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: sort of grievance or things getting very acrimonious, and that

2334
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:47,040
Speaker 1: deals with his injurentional cut and not a post union

2335
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 1: one designation. I would accounted this year. So it's always

2336
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 1: better to get a guy off the books sooner rather

2337
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: than later if you can afford two cap wise, and

2338
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,720
Speaker 1: that would deal with his injuries. As far as when

2339
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 1: you say Eric wanted to get everything he thought he

2340
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 1: was a title to right, the argument would last year

2341
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 1: and then noism was thinking you wouldn't be playing this year.

2342
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:10,799
Speaker 1: So that's where the whole problem came up. They hadn't

2343
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 1: extended him, then you wouldn't be having the same types

2344
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 1: of issues. Gotcha. Hey, Joel, thanks for this. It's always

2345
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: uh and likening to talk with you and have fun

2346
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: watching the basketball tonight. Thanks very much. Well, dude, thanks

2347
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 1: for having me. Okay, Joel Corey from CBS Sports dot

2348
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: com former player agent joining us on the Subway Fresh

2349
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 1: State Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh a couple of things Steve

2350
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: so Aaron Rodgers quest for a opt out. It sounds

2351
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 1: like Joel believes you believe that's that's not going to happen, right,

2352
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 1: I Mean those are rare. They're having to give him

2353
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: a ton of money and then give him the chance

2354
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: to leave get out. There's just no way you can't

2355
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 1: do that. You might do it for a You might

2356
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 1: do that for a punter or you know right, you're

2357
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: not doing it to it for a franchise all time

2358
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 1: great quarterback. You just you can't let them go. There's

2359
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 1: just no way they can do that. Now, they may

2360
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 1: put in they may compromise and put in a clause

2361
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: in that contract and says, hey, we'll revisit the can

2362
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 1: call for us to redo your deal after a certain time,

2363
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: or we'll revisit the contract, or we'll have a some

2364
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 1: sort of clause in the contract that makes us redo

2365
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: it if certain parameters are met. But you're not gonna

2366
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: get out of You're not gonna get the club to

2367
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: get you out of your contract just because you feel

2368
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah. The other thing that Joel talked about,

2369
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: and I think we've talked to him about it before,

2370
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: I know I have on this show, is the Sammy

2371
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 1: Watkins deal continues to be a head sacratcher. To get

2372
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: that kind of money a three year deal with Kansas

2373
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 1: City after the trade, it just doesn't make a lot

2374
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 1: of sense. I give his agent a lot of credit

2375
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 1: for getting that deal. I would say is Joel said

2376
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 1: he had a couple of other teams who were interested

2377
01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:45,919
Speaker 1: in him managed to play off that, but that contract

2378
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 1: does not match his limited production in this first couple

2379
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 1: of years in the league. Sammy Watkins, Yeah, no, no

2380
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 1: question about it. But I think for all the good

2381
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 1: things and the respect that Andy Reid has earned around

2382
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 1: the national football I mean, after all, he's up on

2383
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: the on the short list of guys who've won a

2384
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 1: lot of games in the NFL as head coaches, he's got.

2385
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 1: He's up there trailing Bill Belichick as the active head

2386
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 1: coaching leader and wins. I mean, he's won a ton

2387
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 1: of games. He's very well respected in the coaching ranks.

2388
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: But every so often there's something that comes up that

2389
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 1: makes you scratch your head. With the way they got

2390
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: off to their start last year and then all of

2391
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 1: a sudden it came off the rails six games into

2392
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: the season last year and they couldn't get it back,

2393
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs, and that this deal, and you know,

2394
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 1: he had his hands and he told him how bad

2395
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 1: he wanted it, And maybe because he had told the

2396
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs he wanted the deal done so badly, that's why

2397
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: they jumped up so high to get it. Maybe he's

2398
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 1: got that kind of sway in that organization. But there's

2399
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:48,360
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. I can't see that as anything

2400
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 1: but that's an albatross around their necks. That's a big

2401
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 1: contract and he's he's right. If you're Julio Jones or

2402
01:56:56,920 --> 01:57:02,240
Speaker 1: AJ Green or certainly certainly absolutely Odell Beckham Junior, you're

2403
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 1: looking at that deal and his production and the very

2404
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: least you're saying, hey, me too, Yeah, that's my deal.

2405
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 1: At least that's where I start from. And that's h

2406
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a crusher for a lot of

2407
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: teams around the league. Yeah, I misspoke, obviously. Sammy left

2408
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 1: as a free agent, not a trade, but an amazing

2409
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: deal he got from Kansas City. I remember talking on

2410
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: the show well late last year about what would the

2411
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: market be for Sammy Watkins, based on his injury history,

2412
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,839
Speaker 1: based on his limited production. There's no way anybody forecast

2413
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 1: it would be that kind of deal. And I also

2414
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: think a lot back to the Bills deal last August

2415
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: to trade away Sammy Watkins to the Rams picking up

2416
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: guys who came in here and played, and how at

2417
01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 1: the time, you know everybody, why would they trade Sammy Watkins.

2418
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 1: You go back to that and you think well, it

2419
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 1: was sign ability. It was the Bills will even we

2420
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: might we probably won't be able to keep him here

2421
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: to sign them to a contract. When you look at

2422
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: the deal he got from Kansas City, certainly that would

2423
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 1: have been a factory at that point for the Bills.

2424
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: They couldn't even franchise because even he wasn't worth that

2425
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 1: number either, right, he couldn't get on the field and

2426
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:07,720
Speaker 1: stay there. And even in LA this last half of

2427
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: the season, this last year, he was not that productive

2428
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:12,640
Speaker 1: out there, right, He did not knock it dead out there,

2429
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: and they were like, you know, they let him walk.

2430
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 1: So that says a lot about it. And but that's right,

2431
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 1: and that's why way back in the day, in my generation,

2432
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:27,320
Speaker 1: free agency was such a huge issue because it got

2433
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 1: more than one team that wants you. You should be

2434
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: able to go to the highest bidder. And Sammy Watkins

2435
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 1: found out how lucrative it can be. And lastly, on

2436
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 1: Joel Corey's comments his thoughts on Eric Wood, the transaction

2437
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 1: last week, the injury settlement, I think he's and we

2438
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 1: have no insight now to this, but I do believe

2439
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 1: he's spot on when he talks about how you know,

2440
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 1: there was there were some murky issues there, right with

2441
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: Eric's injury, the nature of his injury, When did he

2442
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:54,360
Speaker 1: get hurt, did he have to retire because of the injury,

2443
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,760
Speaker 1: the fact that he just signed a contract last year

2444
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 1: with the bonus. Probably when you sort through all of

2445
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: those issues, it made sense for both sides to reach

2446
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:05,919
Speaker 1: some sort of number. Yeah, And I think it's obviously

2447
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: it's an ambiguity in the CBA and the collective Bargaining

2448
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 1: Agreement where you get into a situation that's hard to anticipate,

2449
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: and it's not very common when a player does just

2450
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: sign a pretty good deal and then has this happened

2451
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 1: to him, And then you get into the calendar of

2452
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 1: when he can be released and when he doesn't, and

2453
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 1: under what circumstances can he be released or go away

2454
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 1: retire under you know, injury or personal issue, whatever it is,

2455
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: and have to give the money back. And certainly Eric

2456
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 1: Wood if you ask him, and I talked to him

2457
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 1: this weekend, there's he didn't want to stop playing. He

2458
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,040
Speaker 1: wanted to keep playing. He was forced to retire. So

2459
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 1: it's not like he took the money and ran. He

2460
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:51,400
Speaker 1: was he was backed into a corner and was forced

2461
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 1: into retirement because of his health. So both sides had

2462
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 1: to kind of shrug their shoulders and say, you know,

2463
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not our fault and we got caught off guard

2464
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:04,720
Speaker 1: by this. But it's also and also the CBA doesn't

2465
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:08,040
Speaker 1: really put out put out a policy that let guys

2466
02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: them through it. That's the problem. And that because the

2467
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:13,440
Speaker 1: policies are all put in place to keep guys from

2468
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the rules, not when they get put

2469
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 1: into position where it falls in their favor financially and

2470
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:22,320
Speaker 1: but but not personally. I didn't talked to Eric this weekend.

2471
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 1: You did, obviously, by all reports, he is okay with it,

2472
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:27,600
Speaker 1: right with the settlement. He's got great closure with it.

2473
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,600
Speaker 1: He feels great about it. He's I think he's very

2474
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: relieved that it ended, very on good terms on both sides.

2475
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 1: He feels really good about his career and Buffalo felt

2476
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:38,200
Speaker 1: really good about the team and his time here. And

2477
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 1: he also is very happy with the way he was

2478
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 1: handled at the end. The Bills did their part as well,

2479
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 1: and not uh, you know, taking him, dragging him to

2480
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 1: court or doing this, you know, making it tough on him,

2481
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,840
Speaker 1: uh and there, and let's face it, the Bills did him.

2482
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,800
Speaker 1: They're taking a ten million dollars hit for him, right,

2483
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 1: and decided to do it that way. And and he's

2484
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,440
Speaker 1: got to feel really good about it. And I know

2485
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,200
Speaker 1: that he's at east with where he is and at

2486
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 1: his life now, ready to move on to a better

2487
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 1: place and get on with the rest of his life.

2488
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 1: But there's no doubt too, it was an unfortunate circumstance

2489
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to stop playing and the Bills

2490
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 1: didn't want him to either. Is he interested in coming

2491
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 1: back and trying to redo that news conference? Maybe go

2492
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:20,280
Speaker 1: a little longer than he will. He'll tell you what

2493
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 1: I saw him. He wouldn't be able to get into

2494
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 1: the same suit. He'd have take a new belt. He

2495
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:27,480
Speaker 1: dropped about fifty he's down to about fifty five pounds,

2496
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 1: down about fifty five pounds from where he was at

2497
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 1: the end of the season. And uh, and he looks

2498
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,080
Speaker 1: great and he feels good too. He can tell he

2499
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 1: seems very happy, very relieved, and very at peace with

2500
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:38,280
Speaker 1: where he's at now. That might have been the most

2501
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 1: bizarre day in the history of well and that's what

2502
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was all the legal wranglings that everybody

2503
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:46,280
Speaker 1: had to go through he couldn't officially retire at his

2504
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:49,400
Speaker 1: retirement conference. It was weird and so weird. I felt

2505
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,760
Speaker 1: bad for him, how awkward to those people. And he

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Speaker 1: was and he was, he was bummed about it. But

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Speaker 1: I think everybody there, particularly guys like Fits and you

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Speaker 1: and I, we kind of understood. He's like, oh, I go,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh. But you know, yeah, it's too bad

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Speaker 1: because it was a moment that you know, you know,

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02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: she just can't get back. Oh well, we're gonna revisit

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Speaker 1: our faulty Twitter poll when we come back our flawed

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Speaker 1: piece of no it's it's okay, there's a rod. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we will talk more about that. You're welcome to join us.

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Speaker 1: Phone lines open eight oh three h five fifty and

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Speaker 1: toll free from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. Of the bills, the many bills

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Speaker 1: in their contract gears, which one do you think I'll

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Speaker 1: have the best twenty eighteen season? Give us a call,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it, or you can vote on our

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll. Plus NFL drawer falls coming up as well.

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Speaker 1: Step Tasker and I Back at the Moment. One bills

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Speaker 1: Live from one Bill's Drive and This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bills Live Step Tasker alone with

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Speaker 1: John Murphy. We were coming down the home stretch of

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Speaker 1: this show. It's been a little bit different, we have

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02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:03,839
Speaker 1: it has been completely different mostly, but we think because

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Speaker 1: of the fact that we're radio only today, we're sitting

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Speaker 1: in our office, and that the atmosphere is a little different.

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Speaker 1: We have Jay Harris, our producer who chimes in occasionally.

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02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 1: Plus I think one other reason that it's been a

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Speaker 1: really good shows because our Twitter poll is horrible. We're back.

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Speaker 1: That was our one but now a handful of Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills players are entering contract years. Which one of these

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Speaker 1: players will have the biggest twenty eighteen season and why not?

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Speaker 1: Which one needs to but which one will have the

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Speaker 1: biggest season and why they The choices were Lorenzo, Alexander, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Benjamin, Kyle Williams, and then other and of course

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Benjamin, with seventy eight percent of the vote at

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Speaker 1: this point is the runaway, clear runaway winner. And we

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Speaker 1: have been getting killed on our replies on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: on phone calls about you know, how how obvious the

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Speaker 1: choices and how we actually, you know, is like we

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02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 1: there's no other answer that made sense other than you know,

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Speaker 1: than Calvin Benjamin. Do you believe because I got a

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Speaker 1: couple of answers that I could argue for, which is

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Speaker 1: really what the Twitter pole is all about? That's right,

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Speaker 1: Except those answers aren't on the Twitter pole, right, that's

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Speaker 1: the issue, Ryan Groy. Unless it's that seven percent other

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Speaker 1: these are all others, Ryan Groy, you could argue and

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02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:28,520
Speaker 1: is um would really benefit from having a John Miller

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02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:32,200
Speaker 1: is another one who Vante Davis on a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: How they did not wind up on the Twitter pole,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're not. I wish there was

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Speaker 1: somebody we could ask as to why they there's nobody

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Speaker 1: give us a call to discuss aw eight oh three

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Speaker 1: five fifty two fifty. I just don't think and again

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Speaker 1: we've gone over the lot an hour one. I just

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02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:57,000
Speaker 1: don't think that the concept of a contract here doesn't

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02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:01,320
Speaker 1: really apply to veterans like Lorenz Alexander and Kyle Williams.

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02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you look at them in their contract here.

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02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 1: Even Lorenzo Alexander, you know, call you know, texted in

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02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:11,240
Speaker 1: and said, you know, that's it's not right to even

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Speaker 1: think that they would play harder or less hard, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the his his two buddies who are consummate professionals,

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Speaker 1: who you know they're gonna they're gonna, you know, they're

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02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna play hard anyway, you know. So, I I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It was a rough, rough day for a Twitter poll.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do better tomorrow, I think. Have you started

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Speaker 1: to think about how tomorrow? We need to put more

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02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:37,000
Speaker 1: thought into it. Yeah, we do, not more thoughts, just

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02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 1: we need to be more successful. Maybe listen to the

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Speaker 1: others when they when they give their opinions. Okay, how

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02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:48,879
Speaker 1: many times you mean you mean like having a discussion,

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02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 1: as in there's up more than one person speaking. Anyway,

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02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:56,680
Speaker 1: we'll take your tweets on that. We'll take your phone

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Speaker 1: eight three fifty two three one eight eight five two

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Speaker 1: five fifty. Are you ready for NFL True or False? Steve,

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Speaker 1: I am? I am interesting one to start. NFL True

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02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:10,080
Speaker 1: or False is brought to you by Yantes Fancy New

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02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:12,360
Speaker 1: York's artists in Cheese. How about this one comes from

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02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:17,760
Speaker 1: a New Zealand website. Of course, NFL players would dominate

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02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:24,360
Speaker 1: world rugby. True false that was That's a New Zealand

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02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 1: website said if NFL players decided to play rugby, America

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02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:29,760
Speaker 1: would dominate at the world level. Of course they would.

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02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:33,080
Speaker 1: The argument is not whether American football or rugby produces

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Speaker 1: better athletes. It's simply a question of whether the athlete

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Speaker 1: to excel in the NFL would also excel playing rugby,

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02:06:38,920 --> 02:06:42,400
Speaker 1: and the answer is of course yeah. But to say

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Speaker 1: that the US, if they decided to take it on,

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Speaker 1: would would dominate, I mean if that's the case, as

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02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:51,960
Speaker 1: if the US would dominate any sport they decided to

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02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 1: take part in, and then you tell me why the

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02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:56,920
Speaker 1: US men's national team couldn't even make the World Cup.

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02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean by saying that the US, if they just

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02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,480
Speaker 1: decided to take on rugby all of a sudden, they're

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02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,520
Speaker 1: going to be better than anybody else in the in

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Speaker 1: the world. I don't think that's true. But there's no

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02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 1: question that we've got the athletes to compete at that level.

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Speaker 1: The question is would those athletes be playing rugby or

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Speaker 1: would they be playing American football or baseball or or

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Speaker 1: some other sports. Would NFL players enjoy rugby from what

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Speaker 1: you can tell, yes, really, I think they wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, I think I played rugby my

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Speaker 1: last Yeah, I played rugby my last semester at Northwestern.

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Speaker 1: I did it to stay in shape for the NFL

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Speaker 1: draft in nineteen eighty five. Went to the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Tournament with Northwestern University and we got second place in

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Speaker 1: the tournament that year, and I was the most valuable

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Speaker 1: back in the tournament. Really, yeah, and why why did

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Speaker 1: you like it so much? It's everything that's fun about

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Speaker 1: football without any of this stuff that's not fun. It's

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Speaker 1: everybody gets a chance to carry the football if they want.

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02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:50,520
Speaker 1: There's enough contact and enough aggression that you can, you know,

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02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 1: get that part of the game. If you enjoy that

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02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:54,760
Speaker 1: part of the game. Uh, that's a bigger part of it.

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Speaker 1: It's also a chance for all the guys on the

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02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:01,800
Speaker 1: field to contribute all the time. And it's the ball

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02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:05,240
Speaker 1: is always in play, it's always live. And the question

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Speaker 1: about the lack of helmets, pad shoulder pages, it's safe.

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02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:11,280
Speaker 1: It's safer because of that because but it also is

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02:08:11,480 --> 02:08:16,280
Speaker 1: it's actually it's interesting. I'll try and in my view

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02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:18,240
Speaker 1: and it's my opinion only. I haven't talked to any

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02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:19,960
Speaker 1: of the guys and I'll try and articulate it if

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02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: I can. The game was more superficially painful but safer,

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02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:30,560
Speaker 1: So you got a lot more bumps, scrapes, scratches, scuffs

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02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:34,320
Speaker 1: and sore muscles and like Charlie Horse and that kind

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02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:36,440
Speaker 1: of stuff, And it was more painful that way, but

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02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 1: I rarely saw knees, shoulders, broken bones, blown out joints,

2630
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,960
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Well, because the tackles are more of

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02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:49,160
Speaker 1: dragged downs and wrestling down, you know, pulling the guy

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02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:52,960
Speaker 1: down that way than collisions. Uh, they're more, like you said,

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02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:56,080
Speaker 1: they're more tackles than they are hits. And that's that

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02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:58,640
Speaker 1: was the big difference. It's a subtle difference. And there

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02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 1: were some collisions, but they were you always were. You

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02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,080
Speaker 1: knew that you were responsible for your own safety because

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02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 1: you didn't have anything to protect you. And it made

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02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,440
Speaker 1: the game safer for that reason. So as a great

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02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:13,800
Speaker 1: guy had a blast playing rugby, NFL players would dominate rugby. True,

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02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm saying true. Yeah, And plus the rugby

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02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:21,440
Speaker 1: part of the subculture of the rugby of rugby is

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02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:25,320
Speaker 1: the party's afterwards, which are epic, which gets his back

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02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:30,120
Speaker 1: to a beer conversations full circle. Now I do. I

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02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:32,880
Speaker 1: think there's no question NFL athletes could be successful. But

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02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:34,720
Speaker 1: I think you'd be shocked. I think most people in

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Speaker 1: this country would be shocked at the quality of athletes

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02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:39,200
Speaker 1: to do play those things. And obviously at the world

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02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:41,880
Speaker 1: level there there they could play the sport they wanted

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Speaker 1: to as well NFL True or false? How about this

2650
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 1: one Chuck Pogano, Now, of course, the former coach of

2651
02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:53,160
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. Chuck Pogano's career, his coaching career was

2652
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:57,760
Speaker 1: extended because of Andrew Luck. True false? I say true.

2653
02:09:58,440 --> 02:10:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, I just think Luck was so good eleven

2654
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:04,920
Speaker 1: and five for three straight seasons. Chuck Paganald just sort

2655
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:08,000
Speaker 1: of wrote that parade right down the stretch. And then

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02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 1: when Luck started to get hurt, Chuck Pagano, I think

2657
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:12,840
Speaker 1: was exposed a little bit didn't have quite the same

2658
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:16,560
Speaker 1: amount of coaching. I agree completely, that's true. There's no

2659
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 1: question that Andrew Luck was gonna make anybody who took

2660
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:22,560
Speaker 1: over that job as head coach a better coach. Chuck.

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02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 1: Let's let's go. Let's review a couple of things. One

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02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:28,280
Speaker 1: in particular, you remember the fake punt against New England

2663
02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:31,440
Speaker 1: that the guy that was such an atrocity, that was

2664
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 1: like an embarrassment. I mean, that's the only time I

2665
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 1: actually ever really tweeted about a game that I wasn't

2666
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 1: covering was when they completely embarrassed themselves with a fake

2667
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:46,440
Speaker 1: punt on Monday Night Football. And yeah, I don't think

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02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:50,120
Speaker 1: there's any question that Chuck Paganod benefited greatly and had

2669
02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 1: a longer head coaching tenure in Indianapolis than he would

2670
02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:57,200
Speaker 1: have without Andrew Luck. Absolutely no question that's true. Okay,

2671
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,840
Speaker 1: NFL True or false? Brought to you by Yancey's Fancy

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02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:02,960
Speaker 1: New York's artist and cheese Steve and I back with

2673
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:04,960
Speaker 1: more in a moment. One Bill's Life presented by a

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02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 1: Lot of Health from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo

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02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:20,360
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. What have we learned? Is presented by Advanced

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02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:28,000
Speaker 1: home theater provider of the Buffalo Bills. We had Danny

2679
02:11:28,080 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 1: Kelly from The Ringer on Today, an NFL writer from

2680
02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:34,480
Speaker 1: The Ringer. He asked if Zay Jones can come back?

2681
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:36,560
Speaker 1: It will have a breakout season. He puts him on

2682
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:39,880
Speaker 1: a list of several players who need a breakout season,

2683
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 1: is a Jones one of them. Here's what Danny Kelly

2684
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 1: has to say. He's definitely a wild card. And I

2685
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:47,240
Speaker 1: think he had it in the sense that you don't

2686
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:49,680
Speaker 1: really know what Dave Bolls offenses can involve. We don't

2687
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: know who the quarterback is necessarily going to be. If

2688
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,000
Speaker 1: it's a j McCarron was a sending job or Josh

2689
02:11:54,040 --> 02:11:56,840
Speaker 1: Allen surprising and kind of jumped in front of him.

2690
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 1: So there's just so many variables right now that are

2691
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:03,040
Speaker 1: really hard to predict. Um, it's just tough to know.

2692
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:06,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, n good flash at Tiens he

2693
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:08,480
Speaker 1: showed before he got hurt later in the years and

2694
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:11,120
Speaker 1: showed that he had from that playmaking ability that that

2695
02:12:11,240 --> 02:12:13,640
Speaker 1: made him that second round pick. And so you know,

2696
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:16,680
Speaker 1: obviously it's been a tough offseason for him a couple

2697
02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:19,520
Speaker 1: of certain reason and you know, it just kind of

2698
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,280
Speaker 1: throws the paul over what we can expect from him

2699
02:12:22,360 --> 02:12:24,920
Speaker 1: next year. But you know, would be too surprising if

2700
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:27,320
Speaker 1: Tayball come in, came in and found a really good

2701
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 1: role for him and made him a vocal on the offense,

2702
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:31,640
Speaker 1: and he could be a lot more you know, he

2703
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:33,560
Speaker 1: could be a lot more successful than we might except

2704
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 1: the dude, Well, if they need him, that's for sure.

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02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:37,840
Speaker 1: That's Danny Kelly from The Ringer. We also talked with

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02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:41,280
Speaker 1: the NF former NFL agent Joel Corey, who now writes

2707
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:44,440
Speaker 1: about contracts and the salary camp for CBS sports dot Com.

2708
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:47,959
Speaker 1: You talked about Aaron Rodgers move for a new contract

2709
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 1: and the discussion about a possible opt out clause for

2710
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 1: Rogers and his next year with the green Bay Packers.

2711
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 1: Joel Corey says, if that's what Aaron Rodgers wants, he

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02:12:57,440 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 1: may be asking for it a little bit late. They

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02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,800
Speaker 1: typically his deals were two years left. He's got two

2714
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:06,160
Speaker 1: years left, so this is the timing everyone expected to

2715
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:07,920
Speaker 1: me if he was going to play hardball and I

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02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:11,040
Speaker 1: want this opt out. He's thirty four now. He needed

2717
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:13,520
Speaker 1: to do that in twenty thirteen when he was twenty nine,

2718
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:16,560
Speaker 1: and then if he wanted to play the franchise tag game.

2719
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why Green Bay wouldn't do it.

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02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,560
Speaker 1: Because he's under contract through twenty nineteen. Then they can

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02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:25,720
Speaker 1: stick in exclusive franchise tag, which I'm projecting to ride

2722
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:29,000
Speaker 1: around twenty twenty nine point five million on him, and

2723
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:32,080
Speaker 1: then the next year twenty percent more year over thirty

2724
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:34,840
Speaker 1: five million in twenty twenty than he's thirty eight. He

2725
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:38,440
Speaker 1: could have better played that game five years ago, and

2726
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,640
Speaker 1: then he was either going to hit the market in

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02:13:40,760 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen if they stuck a third franchise tag

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02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:45,200
Speaker 1: on him, and then he could have named his price

2729
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:49,200
Speaker 1: either last year or this year. That's Joe Cory from

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports dot Com. See we squeeze in a phone

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02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,800
Speaker 1: call here Steve lou in Cambria on the line. Go ahead, Louis,

2732
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,720
Speaker 1: you're on the air. That's the new guys, all right.

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02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,560
Speaker 1: It's an overly careful how I see this, because they

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02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:01,600
Speaker 1: have a right deal, respect as we all do for

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02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:05,640
Speaker 1: Eric would um, but wondering why the league doesn't have

2736
02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 1: something built in since it wasn't the bills desire or Eric,

2737
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:12,720
Speaker 1: what's the desire for him not to play this year? Um,

2738
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:17,880
Speaker 1: to somehow give some relief for not not have the

2739
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:20,280
Speaker 1: Bills get that ten million dollar hit. Just seems like

2740
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:24,960
Speaker 1: something should be built in. Yeah, that's exactly right. And

2741
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:27,680
Speaker 1: and that's that's what That's what I was alluding to

2742
02:14:27,800 --> 02:14:30,040
Speaker 1: it during the segment we were speaking about it is

2743
02:14:30,080 --> 02:14:34,120
Speaker 1: that there's a there's an ambiguity in this collective bargaining

2744
02:14:34,160 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 1: agreement that doesn't allow for this type of thing to

2745
02:14:36,240 --> 02:14:40,120
Speaker 1: happen and not have something and not have to meet

2746
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 1: certain thresholds. And really the threshold that you had to meet,

2747
02:14:43,160 --> 02:14:45,120
Speaker 1: and they should have thought about it before the last

2748
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:48,760
Speaker 1: day of when they found out, was that uh, Eric

2749
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:51,440
Speaker 1: Wood would have to wait until June first did announce

2750
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:56,400
Speaker 1: his retirement, and in doing so then all that all

2751
02:14:56,440 --> 02:15:00,440
Speaker 1: the parameters would be met. Now, it doesn't any sense

2752
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:02,680
Speaker 1: that he had to wait because there was no way

2753
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:06,040
Speaker 1: he was gonna play again. It was a done deal.

2754
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:08,200
Speaker 1: The club knew it, He knew it. They both knew

2755
02:15:08,200 --> 02:15:11,000
Speaker 1: each other's wishes were something else. And you would like

2756
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:14,800
Speaker 1: to think as soon as that happened that maybe they

2757
02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:17,320
Speaker 1: could all all sides could wash their hands of the situation.

2758
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 1: But due to the calendar or the CBA and some

2759
02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:21,440
Speaker 1: of the other things that go on in the NFL

2760
02:15:21,800 --> 02:15:24,040
Speaker 1: in the off season that with timelines and free agency

2761
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:26,400
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing and player's signings, it just

2762
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:28,800
Speaker 1: wasn't in place for that to happen. But you're right,

2763
02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:32,080
Speaker 1: it is because of the rules that they couldn't announce

2764
02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:35,400
Speaker 1: his retirement. And in a case like this, it's just

2765
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:37,280
Speaker 1: one of those things it's hard to plan for that

2766
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:41,240
Speaker 1: caught the league by surprise, and the rules in place

2767
02:15:42,160 --> 02:15:46,560
Speaker 1: to keep a player or franchise, I guess from exploiting

2768
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:50,600
Speaker 1: this type of situation in another way and sticking it

2769
02:15:50,720 --> 02:15:52,680
Speaker 1: one side sticking it to the other. But in this case,

2770
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:54,440
Speaker 1: neither side was trying to stick it to the other

2771
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:56,320
Speaker 1: and it ended up they had to jump through a

2772
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:58,920
Speaker 1: few legal hoops to make it happen. It's a good question. Then.

2773
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 1: One thing Steve that makes me though, is um, you know,

2774
02:16:02,240 --> 02:16:05,280
Speaker 1: it's it's as just as players take risks and don't

2775
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 1: get guaranteed contracts, there there there should be there There

2776
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:11,880
Speaker 1: is an element of risk for teams as well, and

2777
02:16:12,040 --> 02:16:13,880
Speaker 1: that's the risk, Yes, that a guy won't be able

2778
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:17,000
Speaker 1: to fulfill the you're giving him this upfront money with

2779
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:19,280
Speaker 1: the expectation that he's going to be around for the

2780
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:21,560
Speaker 1: three or four years whatever the deal is might not

2781
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:23,320
Speaker 1: be and that's the risk of the team has to

2782
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,240
Speaker 1: be ready to take. And you know, It's funny too,

2783
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:29,240
Speaker 1: because nobody knows their players like like an NFL club

2784
02:16:29,320 --> 02:16:31,240
Speaker 1: does they and they've got medical people to know this,

2785
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:34,000
Speaker 1: and you might, you know, the team might go back

2786
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 1: and talk to the trainings to have say, guys, how's

2787
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:38,680
Speaker 1: come We didn't see this coming. I mean, we need

2788
02:16:38,760 --> 02:16:43,560
Speaker 1: to either upgrade our our medical evaluation on a more

2789
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:46,760
Speaker 1: regular basis and go deeper into our evaluations than we

2790
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:48,760
Speaker 1: have in the past, so that if something like this

2791
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:51,920
Speaker 1: is on the horizon, we can look out for it.

2792
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:55,680
Speaker 1: Or somebody dropped the ball and didn't tell us that

2793
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,480
Speaker 1: that was on the horizon, that we might lose one

2794
02:16:57,520 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 1: of our great players after we just signed him to

2795
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:01,520
Speaker 1: a lucrative contracts, So there was always that for the club. Yeah,

2796
02:17:02,040 --> 02:17:04,480
Speaker 1: all right, Well we're back in the television studio, back

2797
02:17:04,560 --> 02:17:06,840
Speaker 1: on MSG tomorrow, Steve, and that means I'm gonna have

2798
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:10,240
Speaker 1: to shave tomorrow morning. Well, are you ready for the

2799
02:17:10,280 --> 02:17:13,840
Speaker 1: sacrifice of being on way to go the extra mile? Mervs?

2800
02:17:14,480 --> 02:17:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess I can get the kind of commitment that's

2801
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:18,240
Speaker 1: a commitment. We have a good show coming up for

2802
02:17:18,320 --> 02:17:21,520
Speaker 1: you tomorrow, plenty of coverage of the bills Ota session tomorrow,

2803
02:17:21,800 --> 02:17:24,200
Speaker 1: so make sure you're joining us at twelve noon tomorrow,

2804
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:27,039
Speaker 1: back on TV. That's the plan. Back on TV tomorrow

2805
02:17:27,720 --> 02:17:31,480
Speaker 1: at twelve noon. Do I read these production assistants names?

2806
02:17:31,640 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 1: They're working so I guess I better? George Blast, Jeff

2807
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 1: Colton and Thomas Honald Or Kelly Rude, jj TEREDO is

2808
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 1: he working today? Kevin Krtiss and James robol our producer

2809
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:46,920
Speaker 1: Jay Harris, the vice president of Bad Twitter Polls. Once more,

2810
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:48,840
Speaker 1: we had to get in one more shot at one

2811
02:17:48,879 --> 02:17:51,400
Speaker 1: little parting Jazz as we leave the air. We'll see

2812
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:53,800
Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive

2813
02:17:53,879 --> 02:17:55,160
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio