1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI, he is Matt Williamson, 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: and it is game week. Man, go man, let's steal it. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: Go here. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 4: We are still opening nights, you know, prepping for the 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 4: Niners from Steelers. I hope everyone had a lovely Labor 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 4: Day weekend. And now it's time to get serious, man. 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: Real serious, and things are getting serious when the Steelers 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: are talking about the forty nine Ers. Mike Tomlin holding 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: his first press conference of the regular season today. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: It is the regular season. 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: It is the regular season talking about you know. He 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: was asked about how do you prepare with what's happening 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: with Nick Bo, So he said, we have to prepare 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: like he's going to play. 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's the only way to do it. 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 4: And what do you think, I mean, even if he 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: signs while we're on the air, can't imagine he's a 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 4: super high snapcount guy. 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: No, I'd say it by a year, I guess. 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: But I mean if he signs today, they would essentially 24 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: have three practices get on an airplane and fly here. 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: If he signs tomorrow, then it's down to two practices. 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: You know that this is how this this is gonna 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: go now. And so you know, from what I've heard, 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: it's not close. 29 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 4: I've heard it's not close. Yeah, and the Bosa family 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: has played hardball in the past. You know, Joey was 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: not just gonna take what the Chargers gave him. And 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 4: you know, Dad was an NFL player, Like they've been 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: around the block. They're not going to just lay down 34 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 4: and take, you know, whatever the team offers. I don't 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: know who the agent is, but I don't think it 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: is close. So I'm not implying he's not in shape. 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 4: I'm sure he works out every day and is in 38 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: tremendous shape, but he hasn't played football in a long time. 39 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: There's a different world. 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: They haven't seen him. He has been holding out basically 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: since July twenty fifth. They also have a new defensive coordinator. 42 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: This I was gonna say there is a new defensive coordinator. 43 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 44 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: I'm sure he could figure out what's going on. I mean, 45 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: third and eight, go get the guy and pick it's. 46 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: A safety missing. 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: I think his position's pretty easy for plug and play, 48 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 4: at least on pass rushing downs. 49 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: But I'm sure there's some new things involved. 50 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: Which you're probably not doing a lot of games with him. 51 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: I would think you're not running any. 52 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: Stunts and things that, wow, this is this new stunt 53 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: we worked on. You're not picking it up in. 54 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 4: Any game where he hasn't blind up next to Hardgrave 55 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 4: or Yeah. I mean, I mean it's small things. I 56 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: mean he'll get it. I mean he's a phenomenal player, 57 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 4: he'll get it. I mean TJ signed. 58 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: The he signed on Friday before they went to Buffalo, 59 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: but it was like different. He had been with the 60 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: team the. 61 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: Entire That's a good point. He was there at camp. 62 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 4: He was going in the outside linebacker meeting rooms and 63 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 4: all those things too. And it wasn't a new defensive coordinator. 64 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: But it's still I'm sure both will be fine. But 65 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: the chances of him playing every snap I think are 66 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: very slow or even ninety percent, like a normal number 67 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 4: of snaps. I bet it is a very slim chance, 68 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 4: and he may not be there at all. I'm starting 69 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: to believe that that's a real possibility. 70 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, as this goes along, I'm just looking up his 71 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: snap counts here as we as we get to this, 72 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: how many snaps he played last year, I would bet 73 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: it's it was probably well over And they're a team 74 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: that likes to rotate guys him. 75 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: They have a lot of defensive lineman. 76 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: But you're not rotating in for the defensive player of 77 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: the year. 78 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: No, he's he's just like what guys. I mean, he's 79 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: just like what he's that special. I don't have the 80 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: splits when he's on and off the field, but they're drastic, just. 81 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Like what they are five and ten. 82 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: I would say when you tested me that the other day. 83 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: He played seventy four percent of the defensive snaps last 84 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: year he played and they missed a. 85 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: Game, so they missed a game. 86 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: Of the year before that, he played seventy eight percent 87 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: of their snaps. He played all seventeen games. 88 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: So he's not a ninety percent snap guy to begin with, right, 89 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: which is on by design. They have a lot of 90 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 4: those guys. Drake Jackson was their first pick a year ago. 91 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: He's in a step up. But they're a very good defense. 92 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: I mean, if you dig in the numbers, you dig 93 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 4: into tape, it's a great defense. 94 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: But I think. 95 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: You know, their sack numbers were good, not great, but 96 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: he was almost all of them from the outside. 97 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're he was almost half their sex. He 98 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: was like half their sacks. 99 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 4: Him and Garrett ate up so much of their percentage 100 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: of sacks that they're noticeably different without them. And I 101 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: do have some numbers, I don't have them handy of 102 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: what the what they did when he was on the 103 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 4: field versus not, And it's TJ watt esk. I mean, 104 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: they're drastically different. The one thing I do remember, not 105 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 4: remembering the percentage, but the you know how the new 106 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 4: term is pressures, Yeah, which isn't exactly set in stone, 107 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: but the snaps he was not on the field for 108 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: last year, Like you said, there was twenty six percent 109 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: of them. Their pressure weight rate would have been last 110 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: in the league last It's significant. I mean that's why 111 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: you go get Hardgrave to add to that too, you know, So, 112 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: I mean that's a big deal. I mean he's has 113 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 4: the watt like impact. 114 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: Well, this is a team that Steelers don't typically see. 115 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: A lot of the Steeler fans probably aren't super you 116 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: know who the stars. 117 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: Are and the stars are stars. 118 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go let's go over their line up here 119 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: real quick. So wide receiver, it's Brandon Ayuk, Deebo Samuels, 120 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings, Ray, Ray McCleod. 121 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: He does returning and so does play some steps. 122 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: And they have Ronnie Bell. That's their five receivers. 123 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: Okay. 124 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 4: I think McCleod played four hundred snaps last year. 125 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: Played, yeah, significant amount of snaps. 126 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: They don't go three wide often. I mean they have. 127 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: They've trod out the same five skill position guys, probably 128 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: more than anyone in the league. And I think those 129 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: five are the best in the league. But their third 130 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: receivers are Jags, So they're just guys, you know. I mean, 131 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 4: the top their top two are great. Their third receivers 132 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: aren't something they stressed. But when they're out there, they're 133 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 4: not particularly dangerous. 134 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: The offensive line, Trent Williams at left tackle, Aaron. 135 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: Banks eighty five or six maybe, yeah, Aaron Banks at 136 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 4: left guard. 137 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: He was a second round pick in twenty twenty one, 138 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: Jake Brendle at center, Spencer Burford at right guard, Colton 139 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: mckivock's at I tackle. 140 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 4: I mean it's Trent and Williams and the Pips. Really 141 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: that's who that is. I know that they're pretty high 142 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: on Burford. None of those guys are brand named dudes. 143 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: I don't think any of them would start for the Steelers. 144 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 4: I mean they're not bad players, but I mean they 145 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: can put it in perspective. Trent Williams is the best 146 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: offensive lineman on the planet right now, but he does 147 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: miss time, you know, and he is up in age. 148 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: I assume he'll get high Smith all day long on 149 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: Trent Williams island. But those other four, dealing with what 150 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: Hayward et cetera, I think is a big problem for 151 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 4: the Niner. 152 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: Would you run some games on that side to see. 153 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 4: Maybe because they are very young and you know, just 154 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: the first of the idea of. 155 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: Being we want Trent Williams blocking. 156 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: Nobody, and you could even do over low Blitzz the 157 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 4: Williams side. 158 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: Make him pick, you pick and choose. 159 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think Williams will win a very 160 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: very high percentage of his matchups, as he does every week, 161 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 4: no matter who it is. But man, I mean those 162 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: other four, one on one in any situation against Steelers front, 163 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: I think every one of them at a disadvantage. 164 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. TJ. Watt against Colton mckivock's right. I mean that's 165 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 2: that's not even rough. Yeah, that's a middleweight fighting a heavyweight. 166 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: Same with Cam wherever. They just want to line him 167 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: up and they'll move him around a little bit too. 168 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: Quarterback Brock Party, I think that to me. Look, I 169 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: get it. Brock Purty did well last year. 170 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: He did. 171 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: I think the Steelers have an advantage here. 172 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: I do too. 173 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: I'm not a Party believer. I do give him credit 174 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: that he played well. He had a good six games 175 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 4: or whatever it was, and I understand why they would 176 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: make him the starter and move on from Lance and 177 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: all that stuff. But a couple of things that didn't 178 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: bite him in the butt that I think will is 179 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: his arm is average on a good day, and that's. 180 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: His downfield passing stats were awful last awful. 181 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: Right, it's all over the middle. It's all after the catch. 182 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: They've led the league and after the catchyards for five 183 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: years in a row. And that's by design as well 184 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 4: as getting the mccaffreys and Samuel of the world. And 185 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: he orchestrates that well. But if you're going to make 186 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: him drive it outside the numbers on deep outs and 187 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: comebacks and things like that that's not his game. 188 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: That was before. 189 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: It can't be better now, I mean it can't be 190 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: And then the other thing is he was very lucky. 191 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: Like one of the problems coming out of college is 192 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: he put the ball in harm's way a lot. 193 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: He's a risk taker. 194 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: Everyone thinks he's just a paint by numbers, do what 195 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: Shanahan says, you know, like a robot. But he will 196 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: playmake and he didn't get bitten for a lot of 197 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: his mistakes last year, and he will, I mean, he'll 198 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: probably make fewer of them, just like Kenny will. But 199 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 4: he's not for me. 200 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got then Kittle, Charlie Warner, rosta Willie at 201 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: tight end. It's really it's Kittle who's also dealing with 202 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: an injury. 203 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: He's the other one that could miss. 204 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could miss his game. I love Kittle, Yeah, 205 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: I mean the health is an issue. Health is always 206 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: an issue. 207 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 4: He's awesome after the catch, he's an aggressive blocker. 208 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: That love is it. 209 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: I mean all around tight end. I think he's the 210 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: best in the league. I mean, if if you call 211 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 4: Kelsey really just a receiver, he's perfect for what they do. 212 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: But he's fighting something right, and I forget what it is, 213 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 4: which is not good, not good, right. 214 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you get McCaffrey, Elijah Mitchell, running back, Jordan Masonry, 215 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: Davis Price, Kyle Joke, sick It full back. 216 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 4: Use Check played more snaps than any fullback in the league. 217 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: Well maybe Recard there, but they're they're both. When I 218 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 4: say they're starting five for them, it's two receivers, it's Kittle, 219 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 4: it's use Check and McCaffrey. When they often when they 220 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: take use Check off the field, Mitchell comes in and 221 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: McCaffrey becomes the welker. 222 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the beauty a right, right, right, and. 223 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: They'll just hand it to Mitchell over and over. As 224 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 4: a downhill runner, he's fast, but he runs real fast 225 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: in a straight line. But used Check cause problems. I 226 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 4: think Cam Hayward with us check, I mean that's the 227 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: way they Yeah, we. 228 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: Were, just Cam would be a different They. 229 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: Got to tackle and run around too. 230 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: Defensively, it doesn't look quite as good without Bosa on 231 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: the list here. Oh man, I'm sure it's Drake Jackson, 232 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 2: Eric Armstead, Javon Hargrave, who's a nice addition for Themrell. 233 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, their D line coach is kind of a legend 234 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: in terms of like taking guys like Farrell who was 235 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 4: what the fifth pick in the draft and shouldn't have 236 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: been and kind of busted out with the Raiders, but 237 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: he's reclaimed a lot of careers. Like he's kind of 238 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: a historically great d line coach. 239 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 3: Has he done it or has? They also put a 240 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: lot of resources in there, right. 241 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: Just playing opposite Bosa help with that, you know. I 242 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: mean because Javon Kinlaw was a first round draft pick 243 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: for the. 244 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 4: Drake Jackson has mentioned he was their first pick. He 245 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: was a second rounder two years ago. They have a 246 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: lot of hope for him, but he can't be the Bosa, 247 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: you know, that's not Yeah, opposite right, Armstead will lineup 248 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: ups outside at times. Hard Graves kind of a new 249 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: beasts for them. They usual don't have a nose tackle body, 250 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: but he's not the typical nose either. 251 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: Right. 252 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 4: It's a good front, I mean with or without both. 253 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 4: So it's a good front with both. So it's a 254 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: great front. But I don't know if Farrell and Jackson 255 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 4: and those guys are ready for prime time. 256 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, the linebackers Drake, Greenlaw, Fred Warner two of the best. 257 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: They never Visis Oron Burks is just kind of a guy. 258 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: He's just kind of a guy. 259 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a big safety, linebacker, special team or really. 260 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 4: I think Warner is the best linebacker in the league. 261 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: Green Law is not a name that people know a 262 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 4: lot of, but he's tremendous as well. They're both modern 263 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: day running hits Willis and Bowman, you know, like those 264 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: type of pairings. 265 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: But it's that defensive line if you don't have to 266 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: necessarily double anybody, and you might have to double Hardgrave 267 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 2: in certain situations, if you can get in running situations 268 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: offensive lineman audience to the second level and get them on. 269 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: Those guys they're not. 270 00:11:58,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: Big, they're not take on. 271 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like Warner, for example, was over six 272 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: to two, I think, with long. 273 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: Arms, thirty pounds, with a real narrow waist, and you know, 274 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: he looks more like a basketball player in laws five. 275 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: He's smaller too, and they fly around the field. I 276 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 4: think that was a big reason they got Hardgrave is 277 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 4: they didn't get enough interior pressure last year and keeping 278 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: their linebackers clean is a little. 279 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: More important to them than others. 280 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, but they don't hardly ever go to dime because 281 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 4: those linebackers are so rangy. 282 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: I mean they cover a ton of ground in the 283 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: passing game. 284 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. At cornerback it's Tarvarius Ward uh the Mam and 285 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: dere Leonor and Isaiah Oliver's and Nickel. 286 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: I think that's the weakness of the defense. 287 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty soft. 288 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: And they allowed a lot of big plays down the 289 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 4: sidelines last year. We've been harping that, boys, you're selling 290 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: you know, too many go routes. And but this game, 291 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 4: you might You're gonna test that. 292 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you might for sure, because they've been a new 293 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: free safety as well. And take Sean Gibson, who's up 294 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: in age. 295 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: He's okay, he's been around the league a little bit. 296 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: Afonga is the guy everybody loves and compare him. He's 297 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: a he's a box, you know, fly around, hair on 298 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 4: fire that you know, that's that helps with their second 299 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 4: level defense too. 300 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: And he's a he's a fun player. I mean, we 301 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: would adore him if he were here. 302 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: And I guess he's good buddies a Troy and learns 303 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: what he works out with him and all that good 304 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: stuff too. But he's not a deep defender. They have 305 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: allowed a lot of big plays. Yeah, Like their defensive 306 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 4: numbers are off the chart good, but they played an 307 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 4: unbelievably easy slate of offenses and they do allow big plays. 308 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you know again, when you take Bosa 309 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: out of that lineup, I mean, he's the straw that 310 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: stirs the drink without question. 311 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, like adventure as many times with my co host 312 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 4: on my podcast is a Niners guy, and I asked 313 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: him flat out, I'm like, is bos of the most 314 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: important nineri'es like, oh, with a question, I mean including 315 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 4: McCaffrey party, I mean, Trent Williams. I mean, there's a 316 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 4: lot of guys you could argue. Even Warner. He's like, oh, 317 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: he'd be the last guy I want to take out 318 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 4: the lineup. 319 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, five and ten when he hasn't played in 320 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: the course of his career is pretty telling. If I'm 321 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: the Steelers this game, if I'm drawing up the defensive. 322 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: Game plan, defensive game plan. 323 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: We know, you know there's been a lot of makeum 324 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: fitzpatrick moving around and things of that nature. 325 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: I think he's a real wild card this week. 326 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: I think you put him in the middle of the 327 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: field and say they did a lot of Robber last 328 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: year Cover one, Rober have had it. Yeah, put you 329 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: in the middle. Let's let's see if this young guy. 330 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: You know, if you just Readbrock Party's eyes and go 331 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: get the BA, go get the football. 332 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, this could be a highlight day for Minca without question. 333 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: You know, Shanahan's been looking at the Steelers linebackers saying 334 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: they're all new, they're not huge name guys. Edmunds is 335 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: out of the equation too. I'm going to test their 336 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 4: communication to no end. But what if you throw Minca's 337 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: charging down into that middle of the field equation. I mean, 338 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: I definitely want Party throwing outside the numbers. They don't 339 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: do a lot of it. You're going to get Debo 340 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: on crossers. You're going to get kittle on crossers. McCaffrey 341 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: runs slot routes in the middle of the field, so 342 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: they're going to get their artage there. But if you 343 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: could steal one, you know, that goes a huge way 344 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 4: in this one. 345 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: If you remember Mica Fitzpatrick's first career game as a 346 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: Steeler was against forty nine Ers out in San Francisco. 347 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: I didn't remember that, okay. 348 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: And he had believe if I think he made a 349 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: playde Yeah, yeah, I think it was a fumble recovery 350 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: if I remember, But maybe it was an interception. 351 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 4: I mean, frankly, if if Perty beats you over the 352 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: top with a deep post or something like that, so 353 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: be it. If they can protect long enough to make 354 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: that happen, fine, But I think I went Menca the 355 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: robber stuff for sure. I even thought about what if 356 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 4: he comes out and plays man on McCaffrey. 357 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: You know, there's that because then you can you could 358 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: take say, let's tell you take Patrick Peterson and okay, Patrick, 359 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: you keep your eyes in a quarterback? 360 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: Yeah right, right. 361 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 4: So I think that Menca might do a lot of stuff. 362 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 4: I mean when McCaffrey's the slot, like when Mitchell's. 363 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: And there I wasn't he had an interception and a 364 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: force fumble in that game. That's forty nine ers. 365 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: Okay, there you go. I mean he's he's also your 366 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: best Kiddle matchup. So Mink is going to be incredibly 367 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: important in this game. 368 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so as well. And you let your 369 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: stars be your stars, and you know, if you can 370 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: just make Purty hold the ball just a smitch, just 371 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: you know, switch. I saw this stat from Cynthia Freeland today, 372 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: she said, I went and tracked TJ. Watts get off 373 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: time in the game against the face steps. The first 374 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: three steps were better on average than he was in 375 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: his Defensive Player of the Year. 376 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: That he's getting off the ball. 377 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: The explosion is area. 378 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: I saw that too. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, 379 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: he looks tremendous. 380 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean, just give him an extra quarter of a 381 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: second against Colton mckivitz. 382 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: And yeah, billion. I just think the past rush in 383 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: general should do quite well in this game. 384 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got to make them hold the football. 385 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: And to do that again, I think you play everybody 386 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: up close, you know. 387 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: I know, it's just they do run the ball well too. 388 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: I mean putting other people near the line of scrimmage 389 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: is not a idea. I mean they're a very effective one. 390 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: You're throwing deep. 391 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I want him holding the ball as long as possible. 392 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: And if that cost me an eighty yard touchdown at 393 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 4: some point in the game, I can live. 394 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: I can sleep at night though with that, you know. 395 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you take it away a couple of times, 396 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: you know, this is a team that doesn't at least 397 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: last year didn't go three and. 398 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: Out a lot, but no very efficient. 399 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: You know, the Steelers did a pretty good job by that, 400 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: especially down the stretch. I just attack this team. I 401 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: don't sit back and allow. 402 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: It's not like when they played Hurts or Josh Allen 403 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: that could shrug off even a lot to make a 404 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 4: big play or extend it. Has a huge arm to 405 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 4: Digs and aj Brown and DeVante Smith and those guys. 406 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 4: I mean, like, these receivers are great, but they're different. 407 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: There after the catch, I used the route runner. Deebo's 408 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: kind of the force of nature. But I want to 409 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 4: stress Party mentally and physically. It's ironic hit him like 410 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: two more times by that way too. 411 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: That that game that I referenced that that make As 412 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: Patrick started was in twenty nineteen. If you remember that game, 413 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: that was Mason Rudolph's first career start out there. 414 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 3: Oh was it? 415 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Steelers lost that in twenty four to twenty. 416 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 3: That's the last time they played, right, Yeah, go after. 417 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: This, Go after Brock Party like he's Mason. 418 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: Rudolph in a loud building. 419 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't allow Shanahan to dictate to you what you 420 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: want to do. You dictate to him what you're going 421 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: to you know, hey, we're gonna overload it. We're gonna 422 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: blitz the crap at you. 423 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. And they do run the ball well, and they 424 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: run the ball a lot. 425 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: But like the Eagles, like I'd like to see the 426 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 4: Steelers turn into, they are more of a first half 427 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 4: passing team. Yeah, so they're going to want to come 428 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 4: out and get a lead. 429 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: To try to get the lead. 430 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. 431 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: So interesting. We're gonna take a break when we come back. 432 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: New NFL power rankings out there. Let's go over those. 433 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale LOLLI you're listening 434 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be 435 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: back with more right after this. 436 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson twenty 437 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: four to seven, Home of the Black and Gold Steelers 438 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: Nation Radio. 439 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson, 440 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. We 441 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: are the this is where you come to get to 442 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: this spot the games news. This is the place to be. Uh. 443 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: And well, we've gone over these a couple of times 444 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: over the offseason, Matt, but this be this would be 445 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: the initial power rankings for NFL dot Com going into 446 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty. Yeah, so this there's just there's some 447 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: movement actually here today there should be and Eric ad 448 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: Hoolme doing these again. He did the last one for 449 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: the Friday. Looks like he's gonna take this over. At 450 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: thirty two. He has the Cardinals, and I think that's 451 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: a clear cut. Like I drafted Washington's defense in our 452 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: fantasy league. 453 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: I did. I picked him up in another league because 454 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 3: they played the Cardinals in Week one. 455 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: I might just try to stream that all year long. 456 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: You and I be fighting for the word. Who the 457 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 4: Cardinals got this week? 458 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: They're gonna awful. 459 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: They're gonna be awful. 460 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 4: I mean they're Hey, I'm rooting for Josh Dobbs, and 461 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: I think they brought him in there as a culture guy. 462 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: You know, maybe he's gonna be the mentor for Caleb Williams. 463 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 4: He's bigger two weeks, he's been there two weeks, and 464 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: frankly he's not a starter. 465 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 466 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 4: I like their quarterback situations laugh atrocious, laughable, right, Like. 467 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: My Like, I saw a betting line that you could 468 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: you could get the Cardinals at plus two twenty to 469 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: have the lowest win totals in the league dish plus money. 470 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: You would think that'd be more than two to one. 471 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: I mean, there's you're fighting thirty one. Other team can 472 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: get it, but you're really you're really only fighting. 473 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: Like eight other teams. 474 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: That's a solid cycle. 475 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: The Billy can't get that. No Engles can't get that. 476 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: You know. 477 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Uh at thirty one the Houston Texans. 478 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a long year for Stroud, 479 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: but I think that they are improving. I was about 480 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: to ask you who would you put thirty one. I'm 481 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 4: fine with Houston. I think there's probably five teams you 482 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: could put there. When it's all said and done. I'd 483 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 4: bet they don't pick second overall, though, I bet they 484 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 4: pick eighth or seven. 485 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: Well, then might pick second order. Don't they have do 486 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: they trade away to picks they traded away. 487 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: They don't have theirs? 488 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, they trade there. 489 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 4: In this case, Arizona would pick one and two. They 490 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 4: would love that about that, Like we'll tay Caleb Williams 491 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: and Marvin Harrison Junior. 492 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: Like okay, if. 493 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: They If the Cardinals don't have the the number one 494 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: overall pick this year, it's because this team that number 495 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: thirty does. He's moved them down two spots to the 496 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: Rams are mine, and they get they play each other twice. 497 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: That's gonna be very important for the Caleb Williams Bowl. 498 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: I don't think when Cooper. 499 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: That's going to be a stink off. That's what that's 500 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: gonna be. 501 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 4: Oh man, I would put the Rams at two at 502 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 4: thirty one, like I bet Houston Picks has a better 503 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: a later draft position than the Rams. 504 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: And as bad as the Rams are, Arizona's worse, noticeably worse. 505 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, noticeably worse. 506 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 4: I mean, so the thing about the Rams is, this 507 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 4: isn't what power ranks are about. You're talking about who who, 508 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 4: how good you are? Right now? They already have this 509 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 4: one injury. If it gets where it starts lingering, how 510 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 4: long is Donald Donald or Donald and Stafford gonna dress 511 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 4: without cup? You know, and you're losing games left and right. 512 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 4: That's what happened last year. Yeah, you could have stinker 513 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: City before long. 514 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: At twenty nine, down two spots Indianapolis. 515 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: I guess I might put the Raiders right in that neighborhood. No, 516 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 4: Taylor hurts, Yeah it does. I mean, considering the way 517 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: they're built, there's not a lot of backs that would 518 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: be like, man, I should move them down noticeably in 519 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: the power ranks. But they're gonna run the ball and 520 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: run the ball and run the ball, you know, and 521 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 4: the dudes run the ball or like what Dean Jackson, 522 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: I mean, like they're pretty strong and drop off from 523 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor. 524 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at twenty eight, up two spots. Somebody had 525 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: to move up with those teams moving down Tampa Bay. 526 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: I'm a little higher on them than I was two 527 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: months ago, just because I do think Evans, Godwin Wurfs. 528 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: They that different though than the Rams. 529 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: I think they have more of those guys. 530 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: They have more of those guys, but there there's there's 531 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: those those star players. 532 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: But they have a lot fewer guys I've never heard 533 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: of too. Yeah, I mean the Rams have a lot 534 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: of dudes that no one's ever heard of. Some of 535 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: them might be good, that's the thing. Yeah, if you 536 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: can if three out of ten of the no name 537 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 4: dudes turned into keeper as well. 538 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: The thing is, I know Baker Mayfield isn't good, I know, 539 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: which is a problem, but. 540 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: He's a lot better than like what the Cardinals were 541 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: trotting adults. 542 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: But he's not better than Stafford. 543 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: No, no, no, he's not. 544 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: At twenty seven up two spots. 545 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 3: The Raiders offense will be good for now. 546 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: Another one of those teams that have some. You know, 547 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: you've you've got Davonte Adams, you know you got Josh Jacobs, 548 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: you got Max Cross. 549 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: Rosby, Colton Miller. Yeah right, they got they got some. 550 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: Just not enough of those guys. There's no middle class. 551 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: They have no middle class, that's right. 552 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 4: They really need two or three years of second and 553 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: third round picks being quality starter types. 554 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 3: And I don't think Jimmy will lasts two months. 555 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: No, you know, no, I'm sure. I bet eight O'Connell 556 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 4: plays eight games. 557 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: At twenty six down a spot. The Chicago Bears. 558 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: I think this is the neighborhood. 559 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I know a lot of people are thinking 560 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: dark horse playoff team, even a Fields, who both of 561 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: us are believers in. Still, even if he takes a 562 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 4: almost hurts step forward, their defense is nothing like the Eagles, 563 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Their defenses. 564 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: It's just not the surrounding cash just isn't isn't great. 565 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: It's so much better than it's been for him, at 566 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 4: least on offense, they have a line in a running game, 567 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: and you know, decent receivers, but the defenses idious. 568 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: At twenty five up a spot. And this was before 569 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: the news came out about Brian Burns the Carolina Panthers. 570 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: What is exact news on Burns? Is he now holding out? 571 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 2: Looks like he is now holding out? 572 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because I thought they were close to a 573 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: contract months ago and then they weren't and. 574 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: He walked away and they said, yeah, okay, we don't 575 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: get this thing done. 576 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: I'm walking And their defense could be decent, but it's 577 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: not to the Bosa level we talked about last segment, 578 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: but he's by far their best guy. I think it's 579 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: gonna be a long ear on offense. 580 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the offensive skill position pieces are junk, the bad. 581 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: Line has been playing really bad, and you're right, I 582 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: mean the pass catchers are brutal, like if feelings you're 583 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: leading receiver. 584 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: At twenty four down four spots. Eric Hadaholme finally starting 585 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: to catch on here the New England Patriots rightfully, so 586 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: I think they're going to be awful. 587 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Juju Henry Parker, like those would be 588 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 4: your leading pass catchers. They actually I didn't realize this 589 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 4: till this morning. They're shuffling their own linemen all over. 590 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: They kept eleven offensive linemen on their final rush, so 591 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: they kept two running backs, one quarterback. 592 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 4: One quarterback, and they just traded for lineman Lake. Usually 593 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: you can at least count on the line to be solid. 594 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 4: They're not all big name guys, but they're moving dudes around. 595 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 4: I think Riley reef on Or they were counting on 596 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 4: him as either starting right tackle or guard. Like it's 597 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: still really uncertain. 598 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. I think it's gonna be bad. 599 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be bad. 600 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: At twenty three up a spot Washington, I'm fine with that. 601 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: I think that's their neighborhood. I don't love that coaching staff. 602 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if they'll get the most 603 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 4: out of that group, but I think how it might 604 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: be what you. 605 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: Think is gonna happen with Washington. You know the Paul 606 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: of Daniel Schnyder had over that. Yeah, franchise, it's gone, 607 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: like they sold out their opener. 608 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: Did that. That's great to. 609 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: Hear, you know, and and we're like plenty of time 610 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: to spare. They opened against the Cardinals. Oh well, right, 611 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: I mean and then they play Denver like nice. 612 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: That's a great way to get the stink out of 613 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 3: the building. 614 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think I just think they'll have a little 615 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: pep in their steps. 616 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure they will. I still bet there's some stink 617 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: in the building though. 618 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: Probably, you know, probably, but if you're Ron Rivera, you 619 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: got to feel like the weight of the world's lifted 620 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 2: off your shoulders. 621 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also he was I think this could 622 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: be his last year there too, probably, you know, it's 623 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: a good chance. It's a dirty work. I don't dislike 624 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 3: where they're at, though they got guys too. Yeah. 625 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: Uh, at twenty two up a spot Tennessee. 626 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: I'd probably have them lower. 627 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: That's this is about where they belong to. In that 628 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five range. 629 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: You'll win two or three that I don't think they 630 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 3: would have. 631 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're ahead of the Patriots now that 632 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: they were before. 633 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: I would have Washington ahead of Tennessee. I don't know 634 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 4: about New England versus Tennessee. Tannehill's a professional quarterback. 635 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 3: He is. 636 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: And they got Jeffrey Simmons and they get some, they 637 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: get some. 638 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Henry still is hard to put on the ground. 639 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean, who's a better quarterback right now, 640 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 4: Mac Jones or Tannehill. Tannehill has gone backwards a little lately. Yeah, yeah, 641 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 4: but they're the same, I guess. 642 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 2: In that neighborhood. Yeah yeah, uh at twenty one up 643 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: a spot Green Bay. I know you disagree with that one. 644 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not in love with them, but 645 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 4: they were might pick to win the division. Love and 646 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 4: Picket are my two young quarterbacks that I'm pretty confident in. 647 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying they're Goicket. I love Picket. 648 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 3: There you go. 649 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 4: I think they'll be better than that. But I mean, 650 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 4: if you're power ranking, what are they right now? I 651 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 4: don't know what Musgrave and Red and it's very young. 652 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: They're kind of in the spot right now where the 653 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: Steelers were. 654 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: Last year, right, I think that's similar. 655 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: They get the only two starters on offense were over 656 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: twenty seven or Buck Tiari and Aaron Jones. 657 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 4: I'm almost certain they'll be the youngest offense in the league. Yeah, 658 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 4: and even with those two. So yeah, And I know 659 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: I'm a bigger Christian Watson fan than you, but I 660 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 4: read today if you look at his college and NFL 661 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: receptions over a five year stretch, He's caught like eighty balls. 662 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: And he's their number one receiver, you know what I mean. 663 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: Like he's not even a high volume guy. 664 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 2: A twenty up a spot Denver, I'd be lower on them. 665 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: I'd be lower on Denver. 666 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 667 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have great respect for Peyton. I think the 668 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 4: stink of the building thing is. 669 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: I think he's trying to pound the square peg into 670 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 2: a round hole, though to a certain degree. 671 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: And I bet Wilson. What will Wilson rank quarterback wise 672 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 4: at the end of the season, Like, I don't think 673 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 4: it'll be twenty eight if it's. 674 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: If it's fifteen or sixteen, it was a successful. 675 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: That's what I was about say. 676 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: I think it'll be dead middle, which is a big 677 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 4: jump up, but still not worth of investments. 678 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: Awful last year. 679 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 4: The thing that people maybe I'm just missing the boat. 680 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 4: Everyone talks about like, well, we know their defense is 681 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: gonna be really good, do we do we? I mean 682 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 4: I like certain I like Simmons. They who the edge 683 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 4: rushers now? Yeh like von Miller and Chubb anymore. It's 684 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: a bunch of y But yeah, I mean even Jones 685 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 4: left the d tackle it'll be okay. 686 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be a great defense. 687 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: At nineteen down the spot, the Giants. 688 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: I think that's properly ranked. 689 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: I think that's where the Giants belong. 690 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, last couple of teams you mentioned, I would have 691 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 4: the Giants slightly above. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I 692 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: don't love Daniel Jones, but he's hard to play against. 693 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: At eighteen down five spots the Cleveland Brown. 694 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: Good good, This is where they belong. That's where they belong. 695 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: I think their league average until proven different. 696 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: I keep seeing this stuff where in all these projections, 697 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: the Browns have a top ten lineup. 698 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 3: Do they I don't know about that. I don't know 699 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: about that. 700 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't know that they do. 701 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 4: I'm such a dork. I've started my Brown stat pack already. 702 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: It's gonna make a quick turnaround. 703 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you know, I know who's coming. I mean, 704 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: some of the things about that team are crazy. I 705 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: mean their often I think Watson is only like an 706 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: eighteen million dollar cap hit this year, and their offense 707 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 4: is still by far the most expensive in the league. 708 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: I think that line's expensive. They're playing Amari Cooper a 709 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: gajillion dollars. 710 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: The running backs are second most expensive and the Joku's 711 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 4: like sixth, you know, like everybody else expensive. 712 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: And then he's sixty million for the next three years. 713 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, as is Miles Garrett. They just renegotiated his deals. 714 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: Want to create space. Like they're they're they're I mean, 715 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: they're in into win it this year, but they better 716 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: and they're eighteenth in these rankings. 717 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 4: Right, it's I do think Watson will be better than 718 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 4: last year. 719 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: Well, I mean we've had he was like the worst 720 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: kind of lea. 721 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: We've had this discussion. Can he be Jacobe Brissett? Good? 722 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: Brissette was not bad last year. Brissette was a top 723 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: twelve quarterback when he played. 724 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 725 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: See, I think it's a different discussion than Wilson. Like Wilson, 726 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 4: we both said, I think he'll end up like fifteen 727 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: or sixteen. I think Watson will end up like four 728 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 4: or twenty. I don't think he'll be fifteen or sixteen, 729 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 730 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's seventeen. The Atlanta Falcons. You taking the Falcons 731 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: over the Browns? 732 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: Not quite, but I'm a Falcons. 733 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: I think they could be a playoff team though. 734 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 4: Oh I'm picking them for the playoffs. Yeah, a lot 735 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 4: of its because their schedules really easy. But I think 736 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 4: that offense is pretty good. I mean they're gonna run 737 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 4: the ball. Well, I'm still not out. 738 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: Of the woods on Ritterer though, Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah, 739 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: it's sixteen down a spot the Saints. 740 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. I mean every time we bring 741 00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: them up. 742 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 4: I think they're a league average team that should win 743 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 4: their bad bad debate. 744 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: They should win that division. 745 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 4: Do you think cars twelve to fifteen that's all said 746 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 4: and done. Yeah, I did too feel that. 747 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, right at fifteen up a spot, Minnesota, they would. 748 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: Be lower than the last few teams for me. But 749 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 4: their offense is better than maybe any offense we've mentioned. 750 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: They can score. 751 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: They can score, yeah, and that's what you want. I mean, 752 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 4: they can throw the ball and if you got a 753 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 4: big time passing game, that's step one. 754 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: At fourteen, up five spots the Pittsburgh Steelers. 755 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: I like that they're trending up. I think they've earned that. 756 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: They essentially traded spots with Cleveland. 757 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 4: Okay, I mean I think they're a better football team 758 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 4: than the Browns right now. 759 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: I did too. 760 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, any problem with that ranking I'll see 761 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 3: who's right above them. 762 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: But what he says here, I'm starting to wonder if 763 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: this is too low. Yeah, the Steelers were hot down 764 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: the stretch last season, winning seven to the last nine, 765 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: including four straight at the end, and all they did 766 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: in the preseason was blow towards their three opponents. The 767 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: latter must be weighed carefully, but it's hard not to 768 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: see how fluid and explosive the first team offense looked 769 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: five touchdowns in five drives. The AFC North should be 770 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: one of the best divisions, and the forty nine Ers 771 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: will be a stiff Week one test, but the schedule 772 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: really does lay out nicely for Pittsburgh. All this depends 773 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: on Kenny Pickett making a year two jump. Also, the 774 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: defense needs to give up fewer big plays, but most 775 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: arrows appear to point upward. 776 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 3: One of the better write ups I've heard, he's been 777 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: listening to the drive. 778 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: We've been saying this the entire offseason, like, how are 779 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: people like everybody's on Detroit lookout Detroit finished last season? 780 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: The Steelers did the same. 781 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 4: Thing, and everyone just assumes, Oh, they have a brutal 782 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 4: schedule there in the AFC North, not. 783 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 3: So bad not so bad. 784 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: We'll get to that in the next segment. But when 785 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: we talked to a little DVOA. But at thirteen up 786 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: one spot the Seattle Seahawks. 787 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: I respect the Seahawks. I would have the Steelers ahead 788 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 3: of Seattle. 789 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 4: Miami and the raven of teams I know are coming up, 790 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 4: but I understand why people are hiring the Ravens, and 791 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 4: I think we're ahead of the Carve on that one too, 792 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 4: But we'll see. 793 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 2: At twelve are the Chargers. 794 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 4: I'm a Chargers believer. I think Herbert might be MVP 795 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: this year. Every year, every year, right, every year, and 796 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 4: he'll screw it up. But I think Herbert could win 797 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 4: MVP this year. 798 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: At eleven are the Lions. 799 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 3: That's way too high for None. 800 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: Of these teams have changed here though thus. 801 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: Far, so like I think the Saints might be better 802 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: than the Lions. 803 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: I think the Steelers are better than the Lions. 804 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 3: I'm certain of that. Yeah. Yeah. 805 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 2: At ten, down two spots the Jets. 806 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 3: I think they're pretty strong. 807 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 4: I'm actually I have not seen the latest whatever show's 808 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 4: coming on the HBO show. I think it's on the 809 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 4: night Hard Knocks, And that's not the only reason I'm, 810 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 4: you know, drinking the kool aid on the Jets. 811 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: I think they have a great defense, enough skill. 812 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: I mean, as he mentions here, though they face the Bills, Cowboys, Chiefs, 813 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: and Eagles prior to their Week seven by that's like 814 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: the Steelers schedule from last year. 815 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: It's the worst thing league. 816 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's awful. 817 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 4: I mean, but he's I assume he's doing power rankings 818 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 4: this way, he's not guessing your win loss records. 819 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: Is how good are you right now? 820 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 4: I think they could be a much better team than 821 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 4: their record indicates. 822 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: It's just an awful slate for them. 823 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: At nine up a spot Jacksonville. 824 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 4: It's a little rich for me too with their defense. 825 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 4: Little rich out of the Jets over them. Steelers versus 826 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 4: Jags is a conversation. 827 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: It's then on the offensive line. 828 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 4: Especially with the suspension backset or the secondary's week. 829 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: At eight up a spot, Miami, I get it. What 830 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: are you moving Miami up a spot? Like the last 831 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: time he did this, they didn't have Jalen Ramsey. They 832 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,959 Speaker 2: had Ramsey. Now they don't. 833 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: Okay, now this doesn't matter for how good are you? 834 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 4: Right to second? I just think their offense is incredibly 835 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 4: fragile like their four most important guys are two Armstead, 836 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 4: both of whom miss consistent time, and of course Tyreek 837 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 4: and Waddle. If either one of those two stubs a 838 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 4: toe like they don't have a third receiver, they'll have 839 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 4: a tight end. They don't have a back, that's a 840 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 4: game changer. 841 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 3: I think they're a weapon away. 842 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 2: At seven, the Ravens. 843 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 3: That's way too rich for me, but I understand the respect. 844 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: At six are the Cowboys. At five down a spot Cincinnati. 845 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 3: I guess Burrow things lingering a little bit. 846 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and still no extension for Joe Burrow. 847 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 3: No wonder when that's coming. 848 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 2: At four down a spot, San Francisco. 849 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 4: If you're putting Bosa in the equation, it goes from 850 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 4: a top five D to the fifteenth best D. 851 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: Right, it makes a difference. 852 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 3: It does. 853 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: At three up two spots Buffalo. 854 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 4: I think I'm all in on the Bills this year. 855 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 4: I'm not saying they'd be one for me, but they 856 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 4: were my Super Bowl pick, semi reluctantly. 857 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: At two is Philadelphia and then one Kansas City. Although 858 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 2: the Travis Kelcey News, if. 859 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 3: You don't have Chris Jones, Kelsey you're not one. 860 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: You're not one. 861 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 862 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: Now, we don't know how long Travis Kelsey will be out. 863 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: I think he definitely misses Thursday, Thursday's game. Again, they 864 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 2: played two days from now and he hyper extended his 865 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: knee today. 866 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 3: No, it was today, right, Yeah, the news game out today. 867 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 2: Their final practice for the regular before the regular season. 868 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 2: If they played Sunday, he would have a chance. 869 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 3: A chance. 870 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 2: But you're gonna play. You're gonna play the Lions without 871 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: your two players who went to Yeah and Stars, and 872 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: you're gonna be playing without two of them. 873 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 4: They're probably in the top twenty. I mean, right, we 874 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 4: know that guy's won. Kelsey's the top tight end. Jones 875 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 4: is probably the best defensive tackle in the league last year. 876 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 4: They have other dudes, they have a running game, and 877 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 4: they have you know, no line man. I mean, if 878 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 4: if by chance they don't have Kelsey and Jones for 879 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 4: an extended stretch, I'm not saying they're gonna be out 880 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 4: all year. 881 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 3: If they if Mames gets them to eleven or twelve wins, 882 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a remarkable. 883 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 2: The problem for them is if you know, again, we 884 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 2: don't know what the extent of Kelsey's hyper extended knee 885 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 2: is but what happens a lot of times when you 886 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 2: hyper extending the Yeah, you don't tear anything, but end 887 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 2: up with little bone bruise in there. Oh that's very 888 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 2: painful and can take a while. 889 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: Last. 890 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes a while to heal. 891 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 4: So I'm unfortunately for them. Well, I'll just say if 892 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 4: he plays thursday's got a long week. But I dot 893 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 4: he plays Thursday. Yeah, I don't think he does either. 894 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: But that is Eric at Holmes NFL Rankings there start 895 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 2: going into the twenty twenty three season. On NFL dot Com. 896 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. We're gonna 897 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: take a break here when we come back and we'll 898 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: talk a little DVOA with you. 899 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 3: Matt Nice. I'm into it. 900 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Aaron Shatts has his new dv OA out there 901 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 2: for going into the season. We'll talk that when we return. 902 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. 903 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 904 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 905 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. 906 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williamson, 907 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: and this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio, and 908 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: I'm Matt Aaron shats on FTN Fantasy now. 909 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 3: As opposed to it is dead, it is gone. 910 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 2: It is a former website to exist, and paying your 911 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 2: employees is helpful, you know. Get in my former parrot, 912 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 2: a former parrot. 913 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 3: Uh. 914 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: Anyways, so he took all his stuff to a new site. 915 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: New site. 916 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, d v o A is out there now. 917 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 2: And I was looking at it today. Obviously it's preseason stuff, 918 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 2: but I found this little stat, these. 919 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 3: Little two stats actually nuggets that. 920 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: Cut my interest. So I'm looking here at offensive schedule, 921 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: upcoming schedule, upcoming schedule. These would be the schedules that 922 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 2: have the easiest slate of defenses that they face this year. 923 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: Number one, the Pittsburgh. 924 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 3: Steelers Number one. How about that? Now the Browns are second, 925 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 3: which makes sense they have similar play similar teams, right, But. 926 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 2: The Steelers number one in terms of offenses that are 927 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 2: defenses that they play against this year for the whole season. 928 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 3: Totally adds up. 929 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 4: I mean, just scanning the league off the top of 930 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 4: my head, I don't think the Ravens are as daunting 931 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 4: of a defense as they used to be. No Browns 932 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 4: looks better, Bengals looks good, but I don't think either 933 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 4: one of those is a great defense. Of course, that's 934 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 4: not even accounting for maybe a Bosa less Niner defense. 935 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 4: So you know, one of the toughest ones on your slate, 936 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 4: you're at least getting your worst guy. They're potentially their 937 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 4: best guy, not in the equation. And then there's the 938 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 4: Raiders and Cardinals and like some junk junk junk AFC 939 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 4: South you know, you know, there's not Tennessee is good. 940 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 2: I bring this up because if you look at it 941 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 2: from the defensive side of things, offenses that you face 942 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 2: this year, the Steelers are. 943 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 3: Second there, second easiest, so they get. 944 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: The first easiest offensive schedule and the second easiest defensive schedule. 945 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 2: And people haven't put these numbers to put two and 946 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 2: two together with this yet. I know we've been talking 947 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 2: about this all off season. 948 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 4: So as the schedule came out, we started breaking these 949 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 4: things down. That'sot that great. And even the quarterbacks they face, yes, 950 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 4: the division quarterbacks are really good, but besides Lawrence, who 951 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 4: else even a Tier one guy. 952 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 2: You know, Smith is the next best guy again. 953 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: Is not great. 954 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 4: That's interesting, you know, because I forget where they ended up, 955 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 4: but I did it for my stat pack here. If 956 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 4: you look just at DVOA last year, they basically played 957 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 4: the hardest schedule in the league, and both sides of 958 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 4: the ball, they were on the opposite end of that spectrum. 959 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 4: And folks, if you don't think that matters your nuts, 960 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, And last year is like this year is, 961 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 4: of course, is subject to change. I mean, Deshaun Watson 962 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 4: could get hurt this week and you don't even play it, 963 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, like things are going to happen 964 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 4: to change the outlook. Last year's is how everything ended up. 965 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 4: You know, the Steelers ended up with like the hardest 966 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 4: schedule on both sides of the ball, give or take, 967 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 4: you know, two three right in that neighborhood. So I 968 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 4: understand that the schedule last year was easier in the 969 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 4: second half than the first half. But it wasn't a cakewalk. 970 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like they were playing the Cardinals 971 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 4: in Houston every week at the end of last year either. 972 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 4: And when you look at the entire body of work, 973 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 4: it's pretty impressive considering the level of opponents they had 974 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 4: to play against. And on the flip side and This 975 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 4: doesn't mean that they were fluke. The Niners had a 976 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 4: crazy easy schedule last year. So like a lot of 977 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 4: the numbers from last year, you at least have to 978 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 4: remember you played easier guys than we did. 979 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. If you look at the Steelers schedule from last year, 980 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 2: this again. 981 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 3: According to DVOA final ranks. 982 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: The hardest in the league at six point five percent. 983 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 2: The Jets were second at five point nine percent, the 984 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 2: Bend the Bengals at four point seven. Like you see 985 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: the drop off there? You know again, these are they 986 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 2: They played fully the same teams as each other, but 987 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 2: there were some differences there, and those differences were significant. 988 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: The Browns, by the way, had the fifth easiest schedule 989 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: or fifth hardest schedule. Yeah, and the Ravens had the 990 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 2: easiest schedule in the division. Well, I think you can 991 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 2: flip that this year. 992 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 3: I think so too. The best, no question. 993 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a Watson apologist with the Browns, but 994 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 4: again I did do a little bit of homework on him, 995 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 4: and frankly, he was awful as a starting quarterback there. 996 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 4: Everything was much worse with their offense, but I guess 997 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 4: his stretch was all their hardest games they played in 998 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 4: extreme wind and bad weather. 999 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 2: He still looked like garbage. He still look he looked 1000 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 2: like garbage against the Steelers in the final game last year, garbage. 1001 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 2: The Steelers won that going away twenty eight to fourteen. 1002 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 2: No again again, they could have sacked him fifteen times 1003 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: in that game. 1004 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another thing he's been doing, is he holds 1005 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 4: the ball still a very long time, and it's bad 1006 00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 4: late in the down. 1007 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 2: But we'll talk Browns and that was you know, people 1008 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: kept saying, well, it's just gonna take him a while 1009 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 2: to get his footing under him. 1010 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 3: You know. 1011 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 2: That was their last game of the season, and he 1012 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 2: looked like garbage. 1013 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 3: It was horrible. Yeah, Well, like each game was a 1014 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 3: little better than the last. No, No, because I saw 1015 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 3: some of that too. 1016 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 2: Well, he could play better as it went along. Really, 1017 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 2: I didn't think so, because he looked like he looked 1018 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,760 Speaker 2: at his worst in that final game against the Steelers. 1019 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 3: He looked pretty bad. I mean, they beat him up, 1020 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 3: They did beat him up. 1021 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 4: So but no, I think that stuff really matters. I mean, 1022 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 4: especially again, last year's is done. This year's is really promising. 1023 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are set up great this year. 1024 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, when you have the easiest offensive 1025 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 2: schedule and the number two defensive skal, how does this? 1026 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 2: How do people not I just don't get how they're 1027 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 2: not seeing this, this molding and this melting here. Yeah, 1028 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 2: you play six games within your division, but that's only 1029 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 2: thirty five percent of your schedule. 1030 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do a little pet project tonight and just 1031 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 4: cut and paste the upcoming offenses upcoming defenses from DVOA 1032 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 4: and just look, are there any other teams out there 1033 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 4: that are really extreme? 1034 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 3: Like the Steelers. 1035 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 4: Wow, they play the thirtieth best defense and the thirty 1036 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 4: first best offense, Like, maybe they're not gonna win as 1037 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 4: many games as we thought, or vice versa. You know, like, man, 1038 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 4: they played unbelievably easy slate of offenses. But you know, 1039 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 4: I'm on top of strength of schedule overall, but I'm 1040 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 4: not in terms of broking it down to offense to defense. 1041 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 3: I might fiddle with that in a little spreadsheet to night. 1042 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 2: I'm just looking here at the bottom ten teams in 1043 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 2: DVA upcoming schedule. This this is for the season. This 1044 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 2: is the preseason DVOA rankings. 1045 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, so where they're ranked right now? 1046 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 2: Yes, the culture last Okay, they are minus twenty nine 1047 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 2: point three, by the way, really, Then you have the 1048 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,439 Speaker 2: Texans at minus twenty eight point four. 1049 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 4: So real quick, this isn't their preseason performance. This is 1050 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 4: this is a projection projection yea, how okay, all their 1051 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 4: win totals and all that stuff that they factor in. 1052 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 2: Then you have the Bears, okay, minus twenty seven point three. 1053 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 2: Then the Cardinals at minus twenty point three. 1054 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 3: Pretty kind to them. 1055 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Vikings at minus fifteen point two. 1056 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 4: I think the Vikings were like twenty eighth last year. Yeah, 1057 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 4: and they weren't wrong. 1058 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,439 Speaker 2: The Rams are twenty seventh and minus thirteen point three. 1059 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 2: Then you have the Broncos at minus thirteen point two, 1060 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 2: the Panthers at minus eleven point eight, the Titans at 1061 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 2: minus nine point eight, at twenty four at twenty three 1062 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 2: are the I can't read it who that is. Might 1063 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 2: looks like it might be the Giants. Yeah, that's the 1064 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 2: Giants at minus nine point six, and then Washington at 1065 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 2: minus seven point five. 1066 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 3: Handful of those teams that are on the Steel schedule, 1067 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 3: as you would say. 1068 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 2: The Colts, the Texans, the Cardinals, the Rams, the Titans. 1069 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 2: That's five games, right, there against the bottom the bottom 1070 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 2: ten teams in the league. 1071 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 4: Or even rewind the last segment, they were all bottom 1072 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 4: five to eight power rank. 1073 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what. 1074 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 4: Any way you want to look at it, and one 1075 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 4: of those teams will surprise. 1076 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 3: I mean, someone will all kick their coverage this year 1077 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 3: and you get them nine or something. 1078 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 2: But then you look at it. The Raiders are twenty first, 1079 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 2: so they just missed the list. 1080 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 3: They're rough. 1081 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, get the Jets at twenty. 1082 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 3: Right, well, they don't love about the Jets. 1083 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 2: The Falcons and Saints. Then you get the Chargers, the 1084 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 2: Patriots who are on the schedule. I think they stink, 1085 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 2: the Packers who are on the schedule, and then Tampa Baby. 1086 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 2: The Steelers are thirteenth on here. 1087 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 3: There's a thirteenth on there, and just. 1088 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 2: Ahead of them are the Jaguars, the Seahawks, and the Browns. 1089 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I think that's the neighborhood they're in 1090 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 3: right now. 1091 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 2: The thing that gets me here though, is the Browns 1092 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 2: are five plus five point five, ok so they're on 1093 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 2: the positive side of it. So the Seahawks are plus 1094 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 2: five point one, the Jaguars are plus two point nine, 1095 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 2: the Steelers are plus two point zero. 1096 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 4: I don't see that big of the screpancy, but yeah, 1097 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 4: that's a pretty the Browns and Steelers, but like that 1098 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 4: is a pretty big jump. 1099 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 2: The Bills are the total DVAS thirty eight point nine percent. 1100 00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 2: They won, they're number one. 1101 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 3: I know they're really high on the Cowboys this year too. 1102 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 3: Are they super high? 1103 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,240 Speaker 2: They are? The Cowboys come in at seventh, at sixteen. 1104 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 4: Point zh okay, I've just heard an interview with the 1105 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 4: Shats saying we DVA loves the Cowboys this year. 1106 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 2: The discrepancy here, I think with the with what DVOA 1107 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 2: has here. The offense comes in at seventeenth for the Steelers, I. 1108 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 3: Can understand that. 1109 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 4: I mean, if you're projecting forward, you may have some optimism, 1110 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of great offenses out there too. 1111 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 2: The defense comes in at twelfth. I think the defense 1112 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,760 Speaker 2: far outperforms twelfth. 1113 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 4: I would think. But that's not a terrible number, not 1114 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 4: a terrible jumping off point. I do remember last year 1115 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 4: their special teams was like twenty seven or twenty. 1116 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 2: Eight, Yeah, it was twenty. They they get nothing out 1117 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 2: of their return. 1118 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 3: Game at all, which't and they missed a bunch of 1119 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 3: field goals. 1120 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,359 Speaker 4: They missed a bunch field goals, right right, So I 1121 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 4: think at least it used to be. I don't know 1122 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 4: if he's changed it over the years, but they take 1123 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 4: a pie, cut it into eight slices. More of the 1124 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 4: slices are offense, three year defense. One is special teams 1125 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 4: in terms of how they wait things. Yeah, I'm pretty 1126 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 4: sure that's how they still do it. 1127 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 2: So I just thought that was interesting. That is that, 1128 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 2: you know, the Steelers have that kind of discrepancy. 1129 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 4: The schedule from your tars bonkers. It's amazing, amazing, like 1130 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 4: it can't be any starter. 1131 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 2: No, I think the Steelers are a better football team 1132 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 2: this year, playing a much easier schedule. 1133 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 4: Yes, and they're more experienced in quarterbacks in the second 1134 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 4: year and all those things too, So that's gigantic. 1135 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're 1136 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 2: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're 1137 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 2: gonna take a break. We'll be back with our number 1138 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 2: two right after this