WEBVTT - Furball 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.400 Be sure to catch live editions of the Ben Maller 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.600 Show week days at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.360 If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.920 was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.560 the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.439 crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.520 pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of Hot 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.280 takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.279 Ben Maller starts right now that it does. We are 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:38.879 in the air everywhere as we bloviate here on the 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.519 fifth hours, you know, and then four hours not enough 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.680 on the overnight. We do this now eight days a week. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:48.840 This is our Friday podcast and it's a conversation podcast, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.480 so we'll get right to it. We will not delete Daly. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.440 And before we welcome in who we're talking to, we 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.760 say at David Gascon, who's back again another weekend with Gascon. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.360 This is an amazing acomplishment after I thought we were 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.600 gonna get rid of you after that terrible job producing 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.000 a couple of weeks ago. But you're back again, which 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:07.720 is great because I heard you had a trickle down 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.600 effect with the new producers that were filling in for me. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.000 It was it was great, and uh now I'm back again. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.600 It's because you and are our guest here in a 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.960 few moments, have have accused me of being technically incompetent. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.880 So I'm gonna try my best to railroad another podcast 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.160 since you and you alone are on the Marquis Ben Mountain. Well, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.280 I don't want to say you're technically incompetent. I will 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.840 just say that you were hired by the company to 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:36.240 produce Quasi produced the show, and you then proceeded to 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.039 not know how to screen phone calls for four hours 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.319 in the overnight, and when the one time you did 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.120 put calls on the air, it was a clusterf So 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.319 that's all I'm saying. Other than that, I mean just 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.760 I'm going by what I experienced. Guests. Well, we're in 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.640 the day and age of disinformation, so I will correct you. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.560 Because I didn't know how to not answer the phones correctly, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.480 I just elected not to answer the phones for three 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.960 and a half hours. Us. Well, that's not what I'm hearing. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.920 I'm hearing that you looked at the phone system and said, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.000 what is this the space shuttle and you couldn't figure 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.400 it out, and so that was it. But enough about you. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.480 This is a very important person and we like hanging 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.720 out with people talking about and mostly the people that 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.760 I've experienced on the podcast that I for most are 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.480 like radio guys. I love radio guys. I love hearing 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.480 radio stories. I love people that work in this business 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.519 and do a great job. And we get to talk 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.440 to one of our colleagues. You already know this if 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.640 you download the podcast. The man affectionately known as fur 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:39.000 Ball a Cincinnati radio legend in icon and he's been 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.200 at Fox Sports Radio for many years. Now. You hear 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.840 him on the weekends with Brian no on Sunday mornings, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.320 and we give it up now to any Furman who 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.960 is on the fifth. You know, I learned something Ben today. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:58.400 I learned that his name is not David Davis. Thank you. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.720 I'm gonna have more people hear me on this podcast 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.840 then they do. On Sunday morning at the WEE, I 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.959 was at three am Pacific time, no no listen, and 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.080 I used to do a shift around that time. You 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.040 know how many people are stumbling drunk walking around that 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.760 are listening to a huge audience that yeah, it's a 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.960 massive audience. I appreciate you having on, I really do 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.000 because it gives me something to do. I look forward 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.240 to this all day long. I even showered, and during 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.400 this pandemic, I don't do that often. Andy, we're not 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.760 in the same room here, Eddie were I understand. I 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.560 understand that. But but I understand now to various internet 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.840 reports that you can catch COVID nineteen over the phone. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.360 That's what I've been reading, not that I'm saying. I 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:46.200 believe that you can find anything you want on the 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.720 Internet or certain news channels. They'll tell you whatever whatever 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.280 you want there. So, and I first met you, Andy, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.440 you came out. You and Mike North were doing the 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.480 morning show at Fox for for several years there, and 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.080 I love that show. You guys had a great I 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.160 loved it too. It was it was fun, it was great. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.840 You know, you guys were going back and forth. North 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.120 would say something ridiculous, you'd you'd throw it back in 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.800 his face, and it was wonderful. You know. It was 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.160 very difficult to argue with him when he's bullheaded. I 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.720 love him the death, I love him like a brother, 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.640 but I'll never forget the one argument we had there 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.760 was one person I forgot it was, but there were 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.400 many people in sports that get d uise or whatever 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.120 it may be. And I told him that alcoholism is 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.640 a disease, and he argued with me from top to 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.800 bottom that alcohol who's not. I said, Michael, you could 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.320 look it up in any journal, the medical journals. It's 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.839 a disease. Alcoholism is a disease. And he told me 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.000 that he used to drink and drink and drink and drink, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.200 and he could stop anytime he wanted to. So I said, well, 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.000 you didn't have the disease. He was just a drinker. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.839 But I mean, I mean, I was winning, I was Fitz. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.320 After that show, I'd have to shower. Really, he would 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.320 get me into such a froth I would sweat. But 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.960 it was wonderful because it was human, it was real. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.280 It wasn't scripted. It was from the heart that he 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:58.800 went one way, I went the other, and that was 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.520 the way it was. Yeah. You know, I want to 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.960 talk about you, though, Andy, because I I've heard stories. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.520 Everyone's got an Andy Furman story that you know he 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.159 did this, he did that. I gotta get some answers. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.159 I know you you're from obviously he sound. You don't 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.919 hide the fact that you're from New York, right, So 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.800 what I can't help it. Yeah, it's hard to disguise that. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.920 And so you you worked at a religious college at 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.159 one point as uh in the was it the PR department? 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.080 Is that right? He worked? I worked at several I 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.680 wear the St. Francis College of Brooklyn Division one school. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.560 I shed in all office with the brother Ronald. He 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.000 was the best. On the afternoons, he'd open up the 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.800 bar and away we went. So that was a good 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.200 time at St. Francis. And that I went to All 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.520 Roberts University and that was the first Hebrew to ever 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.760 work at that school. Wait, wait, wait that at the 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.560 time you wait, wait, you worked at Oral Roberts University 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.440 as a Jewish guy for two years at Old Roberts University. Uh, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.279 the Great Oral. I mean I met him several times 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.560 and I didn't know. And when I got there they 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.360 told me a couple of things I didn't know during 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.640 the interview process when they flew me out. But on 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.120 Tuesdays and Fridays, between the hours of eleven and noon 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.760 Central time, that was the school shut down completely. Electricity 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.320 shut down, the electric typewriter was off. Everything was off, shutdown. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.680 You had to go to chapel services. And I went 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.840 the first time, and I'm saying, what in the heck 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.040 is speaking in tongues? I had no idea what speaking 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.840 in tongues was? But I went and after a couple 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.359 of times, Oral called me to his office. If you 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.359 don't feel comfortable going to these things, you don't have 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.960 to go, which was great on his part. He was good, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.080 May he rested peace. He was always good to me. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.240 He really was. Oh that's cool, that's good. When you 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.320 took the job. Though, what did your family say when 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.280 they say when you said I'm going to Oral roberts 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.719 that is that Oklahoma is Tulsa, Oklahoma. And I think 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.839 my family basically was more concerned with me going to 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.320 the state of Oklahoma than ORL. Robertson University, because you know, 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.760 really we didn't know much about Old Roberts said, I 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.159 didn't know. I mean I knew they were a great 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.040 basketball school, that Anthony roberts was courted something like of 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.040 any points once in an n I T game, So 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.840 they were a basketball power. And when I got there, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.640 there were sort of like on the tail land they 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.320 still were not at a conference, so that was good. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.600 Now they're in some sort of a cockamani conference. I 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.800 mean you really they had much about all Robertson anymore now, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.920 but they were really good. And really we hosted the 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.520 Midwest Regionals and basketball because at the time the Maybe Center, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.280 which hosted about ten four ten five attendants, was one 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.239 of the bigger arenas in the Midwest. Now it tails 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.120 in comparison to some of the arenas where they play. Now, wow, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.000 there's another there's another Andy Furman story that I heard 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.520 that I want to verify that you gave the Associated 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.080 Press at one point the score that wasn't an actual 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.920 score that they actually reported in the newspapers. This correct 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.720 that that's been many times, not just once, really not 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:48.960 just one. So how does this this is back in 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.760 the days where you had to like call in the scores. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.680 Is that When I lived in Oklahoma, here's the thing 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.920 on Friday night was high school football was huge. I mean, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.320 I never lived in a place that had such big 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.200 high school football either. Now I live in northern Kentucky. Cincinnati, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.840 Ohio's real big high school football. But living in New 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.000 York City, high school football is like secondary. No one 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.920 follows that, no one cares. There's once in a while 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.640 a player comes out that's not bad. John Brockington went 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.000 to Ohio State. They've had players from time to time 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.400 out of New York City, but very few. So I 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.560 got to Oklahoma and on Friday nights it was like 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.320 a religion, this high school football. And I'd go and 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.160 watch some of these games. And at the time, you 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.600 could they just call in the scores. Now, I'm sure 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.200 when they call in scores, they're verified, they're on computer. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.800 You know, there's no way you could pull in a 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.880 fast one. We would go to parties on Friday night 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.199 in Tulsa, get a little liquored up called the TV stations, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.680 and we'd see on the running scores on the bottom 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.120 of the screen these schools that we just made up 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.480 many know, you know, Uh, North Holden beat South Tulsa 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.800 seventy five to twelve, you know, or something like that, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.400 and we see them on the bottom of the screen, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.200 and we all give a high five to one another. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:08:59.880 You know, In the next morning, we just you know, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.440 I forgot all about it because the buzz warold you 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.080 were the original fake news Andy, you were the yeah yeah, yeah, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.920 you were ahead of your time. Andy, Well, yeah, you know, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:14.560 I'm a trend center, a trend center exactly. All right. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.319 So now I was waiting for gas Gonda chim in there. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.080 But he's he's so aghast by this, he's so taken 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.400 aback by this. Now right, he's sitting at resumes. He's 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:29.240 looking for a job. Can you hire me? He can 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.800 clean your lawn or whatever. You know, if you got 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.840 some rubber cool boy, really well, he would be a 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.040 great pool boy. I think he's done that before. I 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:38.680 think that's how I got some of his other jobs. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.760 That's I got some of my girlfriends too. You know, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.719 it's it's easy to do when you're west of the 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.280 four or five. Anyways. You know, it's funny because the 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.760 two things you throw in my face are probably the 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:54.640 two least interesting things. No, okay, because some of them 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.640 got me in trouble and some of them got me fired. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.440 But that's all right, you know, really, Andy, I'm it's 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.280 it's a slow build up to a crescendo. You can't 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.800 start right away with the good sty you gotta this 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.200 is not bad. So you're building up, you know it, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.920 You're building up to an amazing crescendo. Okay, take it easy, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.600 I mean, because another want this to cost me my 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.480 job that that Sunday morning gig. Come on. Yeah, I 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.840 wanted to keep it for a while. I understand. Speaking 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.679 of building up for ball, how did you how did 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.240 you actually get into sports talk radio anyway? Like? What 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.079 was the what was the origin and the genesis of 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.400 all this? You know that that is a pretty good question. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.640 That's why you are pretty good journalist, gascon. Really question 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.719 on your resume. Put this on the tape, really, but 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.320 it was pretty good. I mean, I don't know if 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.319 you wrote it out prior to but it's pretty good. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.719 You know, it's funny. I got a job. I was 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.000 a sales guy at the local TVs. I was forced 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.680 director at Channel five, the NBC affiliate in Cincinnati, and 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.080 the general manage when he hired me, said, if you 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.640 don't like it after about six months, come to my 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.280 office and we'll figure something out. Well, I did it 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.120 for six months. I didn't know anything about TV, and 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.240 I went to a so off. I said, this is crazy, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.679 being a sports director of local affiliate. It's like an 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.360 animal leading. It's young. You work six seven, eight hours 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.679 a day for two and a half minutes. It's crazy, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.760 and the next day it starts all over again. I said, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.480 I don't want to do this anymore. He says, what 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:14.520 do you want to do? I said, I think I'm 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.760 a good salesman. I could sell so at the time, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.040 the local LETBC affiliate in Cincinnati carried the Cincinnati Reds 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.360 games over the year. And uh, and I sold Reds baseball. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.520 But how do you sell Reds baseball? You get a 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.800 telephone book and you look in the telephone book and 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.640 stop calling clients. But what I did, instead of starting 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.320 from A to Z, I started from Z. Because I 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.320 think everybody starts from me when they got a phone book. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.640 So I started from Z. So I started running letters 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.360 and calling people. Part Procter and Gamble is based in Cincinnati. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.440 I sent a note to the brand manager of a 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.840 product called top Job. Top job as a female oriented 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.840 product that cleans ovens and stoves, you know, And we 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.200 had the weekly sales meeting and I told them, you know, well, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:54.640 what do you got going? I saw the top Job. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.080 They looked at me and they laughed at me. That 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.360 will never happen. It's female Baseball's male never have so 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.000 all right. While about a week later, the brand manager 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.000 calls me up. Go to her off as a young 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.200 girl would have picture a Paul O'Neil on our desk. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.000 I figured, I'm in. She says, so I love it. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.160 We'll have the top job of the game on the game. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.360 No big, it's great. How much does it cost to 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.720 a sponsor this deal? I couldn't get it out of 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.000 my mouth. It was a hundred and sixty thou dollars 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.280 for the deal. She said, yes, I want crazy. I 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.600 hugged there, came back to the station, and a couple 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.440 of days later, the general manager of ww Radio calls 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.600 me up and I said to my wife, I said, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.360 I'm going to get a job at w W Radio. 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.319 How do you know? So? Why would the general manager 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.120 want to take me out to lunch? We went out 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.760 for lunch before the the major d candy waiter came. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.880 I said to the guy, and may rest in peace. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.480 J David Martin. Use his name, I said, Mr Martin. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.480 I said the answers, yes, I want to work for you, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:44.960 and he almost choked. I said what do you mean? 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.360 I said, we Why are you taking me out to lunch? 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.360 General manager takes a guy out to lunch. He's gonna 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.360 fire him. I hire him. I don't work for you yet, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.880 so he hired me. It was a great situation. I 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.160 sold Redge Baseball on the radio, which is a lot 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.080 easier than TV. Did some promotions for the radio station, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.160 and there's a great station and still is of a 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.720 hundred AM, tremendous station, high heart media station as well, 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.839 and he put He created a show on Sunday, want 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.439 to Call Sunday wanting sports Talk, which morphed into sports 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.320 Talk during the Week, which I co hosted for a 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.760 while with the great Chris Collinsworth. That's pretty m wild well. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.960 And the famous story with you is the race you 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.400 were at the track right in Cincinnati. You were the 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.720 I ended up here. I worked for a company based 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.079 out of Buffalo called Delaware North, and they owned a 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.360 lot of racing facilities, and they shipped me from city 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.480 to city, and I was like a vagabond. They went 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.360 all over the place. But I used the same promotions 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.000 in every city and it always worked. I was an 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.640 upstate in New York and I had Beasley Reset the 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.880 New York Football Giants race a trotter at Monacello Raceway. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.880 When I came to Latonia Racecourse in Florence, Kentucky, I 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.240 had Chris Collinsworth race a horse and it was great. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.079 People loved it. It was a big deal and made 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.079 the press and you know stuff like that. People like 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.920 that fun. So how did you how did you convince 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.320 Collinsworth to raise a horse? Like, well, what's the pitch 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.640 on that? Like, you shame him into it, you know, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.160 you start sending material out to the media and you 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:03.959 challenge him, you back him against the wall that he 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.520 can't say no. And he knew that. So that remember 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.719 they remember a couple of years ago, somebody, I don't 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.560 think you were part of that. Somebody Johnson? Yeah you were. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.960 You were part of that, were you? Yeah? Yeah? Oh 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.079 I didn't realize that it works every time. You know, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.920 after a while it gets old. But you know what, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.600 the kids love it. Chad Johnson was great because he 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.280 actually beat the horse, although he had a head start, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.120 but he beat the horse. But he hung around and 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.360 he had people sunning autographs. He he's just he's wonderful. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.160 Chats the best. Heal this was good, but Chad was 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.760 the best. Now you could conceivably like drug the horse 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.320 so the horse doesn't run. Your make the horse feel bloated, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.120 so the horse can't drug Johnson. That's who he did. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.040 He was great. He really was fun. You know. You know, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.320 people ask me what do I do? Are you pr 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.880 guy who promoted you know Ben? You would notice I'm 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.160 what is called the tumbler. A tumbler is a guy 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.120 in Yidish that just creates a lot of mess, a 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.120 lot of a lot of action. You know that I'm 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.520 a tumbler. You're as well. Well, you know what the 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.520 late Morny Glickman called me that Mortylan used to love. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.680 Morty Glickman. He called the New York Football Giant games 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.320 on w n W Radio, New York City eleven thirty 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.600 a m. And I met um Marty Glickman through a 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.800 mutual friend, and you know, he was calling the Jet 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.520 games two at the end of his career. And I 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.360 met him a couple of times through a third party, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.960 and he said to me, you have the sugunar right, 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.560 Because in New York City, when I was working in 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.360 Saint Francis College and doing stuff and sending stuff out 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.600 to the media, you know, it got around that I 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.360 was a little unorthodox. So to speak fun but I'm 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:35.920 the author of that. So he called me. May he 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.880 rest in peace. Two Because Morty Glickman was great, Uh, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.880 he called me the sugun. That's well, yeah, and you 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.400 got if you're a promoter, though, you've got to be 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.320 part of every kackamani idea that you could possibly come with. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.240 Did you somebody said that you worked for the Dolphins 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.440 at one point, the Miami Dolphins. I heard, was that true? 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.840 What I did was I worked for the fourth Little Strikers. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.400 I was the pr guy for them, and were owned 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.160 by the late Joe and Liz Robbie. Liz on the 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.280 Strikers and Joe on the Dolphins. So when the Strikers 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.640 weren't playing, I helped out with the Dolphins. But basically, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.600 my my my main thing was with the Strikers, and 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.480 they were great because we had Georgie Best. George Best 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.840 was the greatest thing. Every time we landed in the city, 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.080 there was seven thousand women at the airport waiting for him. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.280 Sure you didn't mind that, Andy, No, not at all. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.840 George was great. I mean it was just you know, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.520 it's just it was an electric it really was with 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.400 him and every city we went to so, what are 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.320 some of the others any promotion? You had a couple 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.640 of NFL guys, race horses. What are some of the 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.480 other crazy stuff that we don't know about that you 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.520 did best? Well, you know, this was a bad one, 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.280 but you know, since I love you guys, I'm gonna 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.920 be honest and open it. It happened way back in 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.160 believe it or not, back when I worked at Manaslla Raceway. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.800 You know, my job was to get people in the 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.680 race track. Before I worked at a race track, I 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.480 couldn't tell you the front of a horse from the 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.720 back end of a horse, really. But I went to 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.760 monts Seller and the guy says, look, you don't have 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.760 to know a thing about racing, just get people in here. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.000 Get him in here, all right. So during the summer 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.400 we started getting and crowds because I was going around 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.240 the various service clubs, you know, alliance clubs, whatever, rotary clubs. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:06.719 They ask him to come to the racetrack and they 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.080 did so during the summer. You know, Manacello was right 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.040 near the Pennsylvania border, and in Pennsylvania they don't have 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.240 what they call in New York off track wagering. In 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.440 New York City. In New York State and New York City, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.040 you don't have to go to the racetrack to play 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.879 a bed. You got to a little parlor which is 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.000 off track and you place a bed, which hurts the 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.080 attendance at the race track. But in the state of 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.919 Pennsylvania there was no off track wagering. So we did 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.119 a lot of promoting in Pennsylvania, all right. So I 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.280 would subscribe to the Pennsylvania papers, the Scranton Time, Scranton Tribune, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.040 and there was a series about the Ku Klux Klan 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.320 in the Scranton papers, and I'm saying, why would this 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.879 be there every day in the front page. And to 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.760 this day I remember the guy was like the ringleader, 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.760 the the master guy, I guess in Pennsylvania. His name 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.080 was Mr Lenz. Albert Lance was the guy. I wrote 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.600 him a letter and I said, please come to the 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.560 race track, the Mantacella Raceway. Leave your sheets at home, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.040 we'll have I'm not at the races, and you know 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.320 you have dining or whatever it might be, but under 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.679 racist and come to the mansella raceway for not at 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.720 the races KKK. And I I sent that out, made 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.440 copies to like every media person around New York City, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.280 New York State, Pennsylvania and racing. You have to be licensed. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.240 You get a licensed from the New York State Racing 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.440 a wagering board. When they got wind of this letter 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.320 with the KKK, they revoked my license. And I loved 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.800 my job, but it was made like every the state 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.520 of the country. I mean, now I lost the job. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.320