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Speaker 1: takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with

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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now that it does. We are

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Speaker 1: in the air everywhere as we bloviate here on the

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Speaker 1: fifth hours, you know, and then four hours not enough

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Speaker 1: on the overnight. We do this now eight days a week.

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Speaker 1: This is our Friday podcast and it's a conversation podcast,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get right to it. We will not delete Daly.

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Speaker 1: And before we welcome in who we're talking to, we

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Speaker 1: say at David Gascon, who's back again another weekend with Gascon.

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Speaker 1: This is an amazing acomplishment after I thought we were

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Speaker 1: gonna get rid of you after that terrible job producing

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Speaker 1: It was it was great, and uh now I'm back again.

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Speaker 1: It's because you and are our guest here in a

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Speaker 1: few moments, have have accused me of being technically incompetent.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try my best to railroad another podcast

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Speaker 1: since you and you alone are on the Marquis Ben Mountain. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say you're technically incompetent. I will

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Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. Other than that, I mean just

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Speaker 1: I'm going by what I experienced. Guests. Well, we're in

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Speaker 1: the day and age of disinformation, so I will correct you.

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Speaker 1: Because I didn't know how to not answer the phones correctly,

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Speaker 1: I just elected not to answer the phones for three

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing that you looked at the phone system and said,

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Speaker 1: it out, and so that was it. But enough about you.

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Speaker 1: This is a very important person and we like hanging

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Speaker 1: out with people talking about and mostly the people that

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Speaker 1: I've experienced on the podcast that I for most are

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Speaker 1: radio stories. I love people that work in this business

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Speaker 1: and do a great job. And we get to talk

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Speaker 1: to one of our colleagues. You already know this if

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Speaker 1: you download the podcast. The man affectionately known as fur

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Speaker 1: Ball a Cincinnati radio legend in icon and he's been

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Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio for many years. Now. You hear

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Speaker 1: him on the weekends with Brian no on Sunday mornings,

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Speaker 1: and we give it up now to any Furman who

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Speaker 1: is on the fifth. You know, I learned something Ben today.

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Speaker 1: I learned that his name is not David Davis. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have more people hear me on this podcast

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Speaker 1: then they do. On Sunday morning at the WEE, I

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Speaker 1: But that's all right, you know, really, Andy, I'm it's

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425
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Speaker 1: they hired me and my first job was a Buffalo

426
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Speaker 1: raceway in Buffalo, New York and Hamburg, New York. And uh,

427
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: I said, you know, maybe what I need to do

428
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,640
Speaker 1: is have like ethnic nights. All right, so not bad?

429
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Speaker 1: So I said, we're gonna have what would I call

430
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Speaker 1: a Polish night? What is Polish night? While we're gonna

431
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Speaker 1: serve Polish sausages, We're gonna have the the drivers of

432
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Speaker 1: the harness horses go around the track the wrong way.

433
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 1: I want to go around and start the wrong way

434
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Speaker 1: for Polish Night. And how do you promote the game?

435
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 1: How do you promote polish night. Well, every track has

436
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: like a Marquis on the Highway, so on the Marquee

437
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: he usually says post time tonight seven pm. But the

438
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 1: being by the bang, I went to the truck's maintenance

439
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 1: guy and I said, do me a favor. Where it

440
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Speaker 1: says post time tonight seven pm, right, polish night tonight.

441
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 1: And when you spell polish, put the p on their backwards,

442
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: just put it back. What do you mean, Just do

443
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Speaker 1: me a favorite. So he did that on the highway.

444
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Speaker 1: I run back to the office and I called the

445
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Evening News and I said, some schmucks spell polish

446
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: wrong on the Marquee. Sure enough the Buffer Evening News,

447
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: I'd how you did the promotion went around the track

448
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: the wrong way. We gave out salamis to the winning drivers.

449
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: It was great. Again. I don't think you could do

450
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: that today. I really don't. I don't love a sense

451
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: of humor, you know. And maybe for me even talking

452
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: about it now, this may come back and haunt me.

453
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Speaker 1: What do you think, do you think, Edie? I love it? Man.

454
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: I wish you know you you had so many great

455
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: express Who is your who is your influence? Though you

456
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: sound like Bill Veck. He uh made him several times.

457
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Speaker 1: And I lived in the Lord of Thee the White

458
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: Sox who trained right now, right near there, and I

459
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: met him several times. And you know, it's funny thing

460
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Speaker 1: with him. Not only did I write him, I got

461
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: several letters front him still with my folder and my

462
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 1: file whatever you may want to call my scrapbook. But

463
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: anytime you ever called him. And I don't know how

464
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: many people would want to call Bill Beck, but I did.

465
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Speaker 1: He took the phone up. He had no secretary. You know,

466
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Speaker 1: you just call the White Sox office as I want

467
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: to talk to Mr Veck Hell, hold on, hello, Bill

468
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: Beck here, and he called and he answered the phone.

469
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Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. But I guess one of my bigger

470
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Speaker 1: influences was the late Alan Jerome Finkelson. Alan Fickleson was

471
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Speaker 1: the PR man of Pampanau Park and Papana, Florida. And

472
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Speaker 1: uh he was like my my godfather, my my teacher,

473
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: and he really was. And uh, I always I always

474
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: admired those guys like the Bill Vex of the world,

475
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 1: the earthing Ruds of the world. You know, you could

476
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: look him up to. He was a pr guy of

477
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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn, just way back in the fifties. But you know,

478
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: I read about these guys. These are the guys that

479
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: read about, you know, my contemporaries. My friends would read

480
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: novels about William mas Enbiga Mantel, and I'm reading about

481
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: Irving Rudd and Bill Vick. That's what I did. Well,

482
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: who are the you know, who are the guys? Now

483
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: there's nobody really doing what you did and what you've

484
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: done right right, You can't do it now. People are

485
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: too sensitive. You just can't. I'd love to do stuff

486
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: like that. Now you just can't do it. You got

487
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Speaker 1: a jail, will get shot, furball. But like all of this,

488
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: or at least you're like some of your best stories.

489
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Speaker 1: In fact that you told me something like this I

490
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Speaker 1: think last year. But like, what inspired you to write

491
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Speaker 1: letters to people? Because I know you've told me you

492
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Speaker 1: you've written the several head coaches in the National football

493
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Speaker 1: you know coaching. I think what started with the leather

494
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: running was basically when I was like working for a

495
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Speaker 1: newspaper in Brooklyn, the Brooklyn Eagle, which I still write

496
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: once in a while, a nautical the Brooklyn Daily Eagle.

497
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Speaker 1: If you go on the website, you'll see some of

498
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Speaker 1: the alcos I recently written to. But honestly, what I

499
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: do is I get the clippings that I write my

500
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Speaker 1: columns and send them out to coach. And that's how

501
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: I got the job at Old Roberts because you know,

502
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: I had a column called Scholastic round Up. It was

503
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: like a little roundup column, like little one liners that

504
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: would be like Ben Mallard of ex High School is

505
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: now playing freshman basketball at San Jose State. So I

506
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: get the paper, I ripped it out mail to the

507
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Speaker 1: coach of San Jose State. And that's what I did,

508
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: mail and to the sports information guys, and I get

509
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: on at least mailing list. So they had a player

510
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Speaker 1: at or Roberts the name of author Stretched Graham from Brooklyn,

511
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: and every time me and he did something, I put

512
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Speaker 1: a little bit on my column and mail it out

513
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Speaker 1: to the athletics the sports information guy. And I guess

514
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: this guy thought it was like, you know, the New

515
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: York Times getting something from the New York Times from me,

516
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: and they want they wanted to expand their their influences

517
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Speaker 1: pr wise, and he thought that I had contacts in

518
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Speaker 1: the New York media, which I did because I lived

519
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: there and uh, and he hired me. And that's that's what.

520
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: That's the way it was. Did you get any kind

521
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: of negative push back from someone that you wrote a

522
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: letter to. I get negative pushback from my wife because

523
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: she says with him, running letters shows how old you

524
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: are and makes you look old. And I know you

525
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: won't because I'm really adapted on the computer. I could

526
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: do my emails, I could do my attachments and that

527
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: links it all that crap. I could do that. But

528
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: the point is this. Everybody does it, but no one

529
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: sends out letters. So that's why I'm different. You get

530
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: a stack of mail every day at home. What is it?

531
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: Usually junk mail or bills, and then you see something

532
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: like this lether from me. You're curious. You're gonna open

533
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: it up. And a lot of times you send out

534
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: an email, it gets in the trash band. It really does.

535
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: That's why I have made a habit every time I

536
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: had a guest on radio, I'd always send him a

537
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: thank you note. That's what I did. A matter of fact,

538
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: when I lived in Brooklyn of New York City, I'd

539
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: always send a little notes to dig a felt. So

540
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Speaker 1: I still talked to today. He lives not far from

541
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: me in South ben Indiana, and dig is wonderful him.

542
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 1: He was coaching Fordham and I got to know him,

543
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: and he had a couple of Brooklyn players. I'd send

544
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Speaker 1: him and he was one of the few coaches that

545
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: you send him a note. Kenny Charles played for him

546
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Speaker 1: for for Fordham, and Kenny Charles is a Brooklyn kid.

547
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: I write about Hinton, can dig it flipping in two days? Lady,

548
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: send me a thank you note. Bobby Knight the same way.

549
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: When I came to Cincinnati on w l W Radio,

550
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: Bobby Knight did a half hour show with me. He

551
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: really did. And uh, you know, Bobby Knight to me,

552
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: didn't do many of those shows at any except his

553
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: own coaches show. But he had ground rules to me.

554
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: He said, look, we'll do a half hour, no commercials,

555
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: no phone calls, boom. That was it. And then it

556
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: was great. It really was. Ill give you an example

557
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: about a year or so ago, during Christmas Week, I

558
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: had Bill Belichick on Fox. I was filling in during

559
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: the week on a Wednesday night show, and Bill Belichick said,

560
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: he going why because I sent him letters all that time?

561
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Said him, notes. I made a relationship. But coach Belichick,

562
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So you you talked about check used to

563
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: give you change the letters. Do you have talked to

564
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: him on the phone, and I've talked to him on

565
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: the radio. I had him on phone. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

566
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: but uh, his mom just died about a week or

567
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: so ago, and I sent them a text because I

568
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: got his cell And the other day he texted me back.

569
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Speaker 1: He thanked me so lunch, you know, for my my

570
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: little text for Belichick sends. He sends text messages. Who knew.

571
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: I thought he was a technophobe. I thought that's this

572
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: whole stick right, And maybe if someone did it for him.

573
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe the text. How many letters

574
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Speaker 1: do you think you've sent out over the years? Ay,

575
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: oh god, oh man. You know what if I had,

576
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: if I had like a dime fery letter I sent back,

577
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to work anymore. Well, you would have

578
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: a dime if you didn't send the letters, though, you

579
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: would have a letter you could. You know, here's the thing.

580
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: Most of the time, say of the time, when I

581
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: write letters, I'm mailing him out from business. Didn't cost

582
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: me anything. I don't have an office anymore. That's the problem.

583
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: So now I'm paying for the stamps. That's that's a

584
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: major problem. It really is. I want you I should do.

585
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: This is what I should do. I should collect all

586
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: my mail once a week in to box, send it

587
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: out the Fox in Sherman Oaks and let them running

588
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: through the media machine for me. So be one one

589
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: big postage bill. But I could send out five letters

590
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: in the box. I remember my one of my first

591
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: days working on on Ben show that carried over into

592
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: you guys, and Jonas was producing at that time for

593
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: you guys, and there was just stacks of letters that

594
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: Jonas had and Eddie at the time was filling in

595
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: for Eddie had in his mailbox and I couldn't believe it.

596
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: I said, what the funk is all this mail doing here?

597
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: And Jonah, wait a minute, we don't need that kind

598
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: of a language here on this kind of a family

599
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: related podcast. Just back up a little bit. Not my bad.

600
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: He's from He's from Brooklyn. They don't talk like that

601
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. A little bit different of a dialogue there, yes, yes,

602
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: so anyway, but you know, Eddie Garcia, you used to

603
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: get a Fendi get upset every time I saw a

604
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: hockey story that I thought it would be of interest

605
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: to him, and maybe in the New York Times the

606
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: New York Post, which I get, I sent it to him.

607
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: It was probably too currents on him. He's not on

608
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: the list anymore. He's off my mailing list. Now. I

609
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: want you to know. D I in the mail room

610
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: since this COVID thing started. It's a little food gazy

611
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: up there. It's it's messed up. So I went into

612
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: I go to the mail room every couple of weeks.

613
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: Actually I haven't been in a while. I gotta go

614
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: to this weekend and check the mail. But I go

615
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: in there looking for stuff for me, and there your

616
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: mail is all over the place. I mean, there's more

617
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: Andy Furman mail than there is for anybody like you.

618
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: Think of the people who work at foxbuts like Cowherd

619
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: and Clay and these big you know, big people whatever

620
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: who think you know, they're important, And there's more mail

621
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: from you than any for any of those people. It's crazy.

622
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: You dominate the mail room, Andy Ferman. That's the way

623
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: it should be. Really. You know, people think that podcasts

624
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: dominate and they talk about ratings on radio There's nothing

625
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: better in life than personal relationships. And the only way

626
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: you can make a personal relationship is through the mail. Really,

627
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, the obviously phone as well. Mail is a

628
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: great personal relationship technique. And people don't do it because

629
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: they think it's a podcast. They think it's a YouTube situation,

630
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: you know what it is. That's one way. It's one way,

631
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: and it's also forces the secondary person to have to

632
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: tune in and find you. Whereas mail, I'm reaching out

633
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: to you and people don't understand I'm reaching out to you.

634
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: And how great does somebody feel? You know? I sometimes

635
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: get on Twitter, uh every now in the game out

636
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: often every now I listened. I have a listener from

637
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota about two weeks ago. You know, he gave me

638
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: his address. Could you send me a note? Because he

639
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: knows I write letters. I did. I reached out that

640
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: I won this guy over. You don't think that guy

641
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: is gonna show ten other people. Hey, Andy Firman. I

642
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: listen to him on Sunday on Fox. He sent me

643
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: a letter, you know, that's what it is. One letter

644
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: is worth perhaps ten listeners. And who's the guy that

645
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: you said? Is it? Who's the guy that you sent

646
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: a letter to that you didn't think was going to

647
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: write back, that did right back. Is it Belichick? Who's

648
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: the guy that you said, this guy is not gonna

649
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: write back, and then he did. You know, I never

650
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: thought I hear from Belichick. And it's funny because I

651
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: was sending out resumes just for the hell of it

652
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: to see, you know whatever. And I asked him if

653
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I could use him for a reference, and you already

654
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: wrote me back. He said, you could use me for

655
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: a reference, but don't have them right, you know, don't

656
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: have me right to them. Have them right to me,

657
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: and I'll take care of you. That's what he said. Now,

658
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: when you first connected with the Belichick? Was he where

659
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: was he in his career? Was he with Cleveland? Was

660
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: he with the Patriots? Was he? Well, I'll tell you

661
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: the story with Cleveland. That's that's how we first met.

662
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, really, this is what happened. I was

663
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: running to him in Cleveland, and I was like the

664
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: anti Bengal fan in Cincinnati, which it is not difficult

665
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: to do if you follow the Bengals. Really, they'll give

666
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: you ada watching him play. But that he was coaching

667
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and for some reason he called me,

668
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: or you had to call me because of no email

669
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: back in the day, I don't think he called me.

670
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: He said, I need a tape of a of a

671
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengal game, right and he gave me his FedEx

672
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: number to send the tape to him overnight. I said,

673
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: how in the hell am I going to get a

674
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: tape of a Bengal game. So I went to Channel nineteen,

675
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: the Fox affiliate in Cincinnati, and I told him, I said,

676
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: I need a tape of a Bengal game. I don't

677
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: know how I sold them on that, but I got

678
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the tape and I got his fed X number. I

679
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: sent it overnight mail to him and after that and

680
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: it was it was beautiful. It was amazed. Can you

681
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: think about that now, guys asking for tapes Like I know,

682
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing how things have changed. And I've seen the change,

683
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: and we all seen the change. I mean, guys asking

684
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: for tapes with a FedEx number. And now immediately after

685
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: the game, these coaches are on the plane with their

686
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: iPads watching the game. Again. It's it's amazing, it really is.

687
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: So you tell me this is a great story, Eddie.

688
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: So Bill Belichick is coaching the Browns and he needed

689
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: scouting on the Bengals and contacted a media guy in

690
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to send him a game tape that's unbelievable. And

691
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: I did, and I did, And what we're talking about

692
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: that talking like me. He rest in peace. We had

693
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: a love hate relationship. I loved him and he hated me.

694
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: But at the end we kind of made a kissed

695
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: and made up because I used to play with him

696
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: and he used to have the rabbit ears. He really did,

697
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: which is great for a talk radio host. And we

698
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: had a helicopter pilot who gave the traffic every day

699
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: for the name with John Phillips. I love John Phillips.

700
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: In the morning, the afternoon he getting the helicopter get

701
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: the traffic. So I went on. I said to John,

702
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this to play with Sandwich a little bit.

703
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: I said that I was going to be in the

704
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: helicopter taping practice and sending it out to the opponents.

705
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: And he called the station. This was like on a

706
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday, probably on Thursday maybe was whatever it

707
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: was way back in the day. The next morning, at

708
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning, he was up in the

709
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: general manager's face, saying Andy Firman was in the helicopter

710
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: taking pictures of my practice. They threatened on the radio,

711
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: is going to send them out my opponents. So I

712
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: got called in the river. This is amazing, really, So

713
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: I got called to the office. I had no idea

714
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: Sam was in there, and say, coach, I don't. He

715
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to me. His face is burning red steam

716
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: coming out of his ears. And the general manager, David

717
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Martin says to me, what's the story. I said, first

718
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: of all, I'm afraid to go in the helicopter. Secondly,

719
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go on with John Phillis the guys

720
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: like a cowboy. He's crazy, he really is. And thirdly,

721
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: I never did it. And Sam went crazy at the

722
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: theater of their mind. They don't his works in radio,

723
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: the theater of the mind. It was wonderful, it really was.

724
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: That's outstanding. I just I can't I love this. Everyone

725
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: loves the Sam wie ran. You know, even Cleveland knock

726
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: it off. And you know what, he was a good guy.

727
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: And uh, if you go on Google and you google

728
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: my name with Sam wise when he passed on, I

729
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: wrote an upbed piece in the Cincinnati inquire at which

730
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: they ran. And I had no idea until that time

731
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: that someone gave me this from the Cincinnati Bengals. He

732
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: hated me so much he had a play named after me.

733
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: He named the play. I got a place. She gave it.

734
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: I gave it to the Inquirer, but they didn't run

735
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the play, but I ran the name. What was the play?

736
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: What was the play? What was the play? You know?

737
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't read it. I had no I don't know

738
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: was it was. It had to be a passing play,

739
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I would think. No, I don't know, But the play

740
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: was named after me, and so it was. It was

741
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: just like what called F Furman And you could figure

742
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: what that stood for it all right? So is this

743
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: when like Boomers Siasin was the quarterback, So it's possible,

744
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: team the whole, the whole crewise, So it's possible. In

745
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: his n v P season, Boomer Sisen at the line

746
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: of scrimmage that was calling the play out and it

747
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: was F. Furman was Now I had to play on

748
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: the sheet of paper from the Bengals, and even with

749
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: the place to cover and the whole thing, I got

750
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: that and I gave it to the inquirer. I thought

751
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: they would take a picture of it when I wrote

752
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: the OpEd piece, but they didn't run that. But I

753
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: have the OpEd piece, so I think you can write.

754
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Just google sam wise op ed. Since then, the inquirer, Andy,

755
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: I want I want to see I want to see

756
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: the play, Andy, I gotta I gotta see a copy.

757
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: You know, I'll find it. I'll take a picture and

758
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: I'll scan it to you. That's what I'll do. Did

759
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: the play ever? Was it ever productive? Did it ever

760
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: go for a touchdown? How they never want anything? Come on,

761
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: you haven't got to be productive? He could doesn't want anything,

762
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, because Zach Taylor now he's three seventeen and one.

763
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: You don't think I could be three seventeen and one

764
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: of the coach in the NFL. You could be three

765
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: seventeen and only think about it. The only good thing

766
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: about three seventeen and one for Zach Taylor is that

767
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: he could have hopefully passed Dave Schuili's ridiculous record. And

768
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I love Dave Schula. I really liked it when he

769
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: coached here in Cincinnati. He's now back at Dartman's like

770
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: coaching the quarterbacks, So hopefully he could have raised Dave

771
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: Schuila's ugly record in Cincinnati, so Zach Taylor, I hope

772
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't get fired. I hope he stays here another

773
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: eight years. Are you buying the hype? I guess you're

774
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: not on Joe burrow Man, this guy. You know, I

775
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: feel for the guy. You know, if you look at

776
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: the eyes, if you'll see he's playing Indianapolis this Sunday,

777
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: look in his eyes. It's a situation. Now we call

778
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati being bangalized. He's become bangalized right now.

779
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: It's like when the deer and the eye look, you know,

780
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: when it gets really why like silver dollars. That's basically

781
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: what he has right now. And he's lost more games

782
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: now in Cincinnati that he probably has. It's an entire

783
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: high school and college career. Really, it's amazing. The back

784
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: of this jersey last Sunday was so green you thought

785
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: that he was playing for the Jets because he was

786
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: full of grastinate. He was hit seventeen times and stacked

787
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: five times. I feel for the guy. And here's the thing.

788
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, I wish I was still

789
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: on local radio, because the locals right now are brought

790
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: and paid for. I want crazy. I was on Monday night.

791
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: Some local guy in Cincinnati had me on. I said,

792
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: here's the deal, because he's what do you think of

793
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: the Bengals, Joe? But I'll tell you what I think.

794
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: I said, They're losing twenty seven nothing. On Sunday was

795
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: the twenty seven nothing with eight minutes to go. Why

796
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: in the hell is Joe Borrow and Joe Mix is

797
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: still in the ball game. The only reason they're in

798
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: there is to get hurt. I mean, they're not gonna win.

799
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: They lost seven to three. Why were they still in

800
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: at that time? That I never understood And no one

801
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: in the media challenge that Taylor did that? Did that

802
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: hide him at all? Why do you have these guys

803
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: in there? No, listen, I agree with you. I mean,

804
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: but when you were doing you would spice it up

805
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: the local guys. And I experienced this, you know, And

806
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: I'll do a rant on the overnight about the Astros

807
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: and I'll get the local radio hack and Houston who

808
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: you know the fanboy. Oh, you can't criticize, you know,

809
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: the Astros and all this stuff. And I've I've experienced

810
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: this in several cities around the country. The local radio guy,

811
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: it's all upset, But to me, I love how you

812
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: did it, Andy, and there's there's very few. You're like

813
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: one of the last of the Mohicans. The local radio

814
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: guy now is a fanboy. That's pretty much what the

815
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: local radio and literally the local radio guy. If that

816
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: station carries the games, they have that contractual agreement. And

817
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to upset the Apple car because it's revenue.

818
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. But here's the thing people

819
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: lasting all the time. What's the difference between local and

820
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: national doing local and national rate? I think national radio

821
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: to me is easier. Why there's more of a broad

822
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: spectrum of topics you could talk about local. If I'm

823
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, we never talked that n HL or n

824
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: b A. We don't have a team, no one cares

825
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: about it. So basically, locally you're based on NBA, NFL

826
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: and the Cincinnati Ridge. That's basically a little college, University

827
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati or Xavier University, and basically that's it. So

828
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: you have a smaller, uh piece of the pie to

829
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: talk about. So you have to be harder, you have

830
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: to go different layers, and you can you can make

831
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: a difference. You could get the city after a coach.

832
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm if I'm on there now, I say, look,

833
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: he's three seventeen and one. The honeymoon for that tail

834
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: is over. And if you lose his five more games

835
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: this year, you start the petition. You have the fans

836
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: meet me outside from the stadium with picket sign saying

837
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: let's get him fired. You could do it at locally,

838
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: you can't do it nationally. It's no different than Hugh

839
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Jackson a few years ago right in Cleveland, where he

840
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: goes winless and and obviously still maintains a job for

841
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: a short period of time. Andy is there because you've

842
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: you've obviously worked as a sports information director, You've worked locally,

843
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: you've worked national radio. Is there anything that you haven't

844
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: done that you wanted to do or want to do eventually? Well,

845
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to run for president, but that would have

846
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: been a good third party guy this year. Ye could

847
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: have been done. You know, you know what, honestly, what

848
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I wrote this in my

849
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: high school graduation book, I always wanted to work for

850
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks. That was my goal. I really really,

851
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to don't want to be the

852
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: PR guy for the New York Knick. About this my idol.

853
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: When I grew up, I watched the Willis Reason that

854
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Dick Barnett's and Dave Dave to Bush, all those guys playing.

855
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: But the one guy always had my eye on was

856
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: Frank blouse Child. No knows who he is, but Frank

857
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: blouse Child was the guy was sitting next to Red Holsman.

858
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: He was the PR guy in traveling secretary of the

859
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: New York Knicks. That was the job I wanted. That's

860
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. What about the race track? And what

861
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: about the ponies that if you is there anything that

862
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: ever inspired you to work there? Like on the track,

863
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: at the track even on the p a there you know? Well,

864
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: first of all, I could never do. I could never

865
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: call a race is now Mike ba Taglia did that.

866
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: He's the best in new business. He was there for

867
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: us at Latona Race Course. But I will say this,

868
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: in all the years I worked in racing, and I

869
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: worked the Greyhound tracks and uh in New Hampshire, I've

870
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: been all of I don't think I've made maybe more

871
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: than twenty dollars total in total bets. It never excited

872
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: me to wager, but I always try to create the racing,

873
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: be honest race, throwab a racing or greyhound racing into

874
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: a sport and make it legit, you know, and try

875
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: to get statistics involved in that so maybe you could

876
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: get on the sports pages and also to a very

877
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: good human interest stories in the world of sports. For example,

878
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: in one I worked in uh In Lakes Region Greyhound

879
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: Park in Belmont, New Hampshire. Belmont, New Hampshire, you could

880
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: take a bed on Highway six and never get hit

881
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: by a car and sleep there. That that's how many

882
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: people were there. And they wanted me to bring people

883
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: to this racetrack, which I did. You know. We had

884
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: a good time. But that was the summer of the

885
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: baseball strike, if you remember one. And we had a

886
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: guy who had a kennel of dogs and he loved

887
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees, and he had all his kennel

888
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: dog greyhounds named after the Yankees, really Randolf, and it

889
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: said to all of them. So when he had these guys,

890
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: these dogs racing, we got the tape of the race,

891
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and again this is before computers. I had to go

892
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: to the local bus station in Belmont, New Hampshire, and

893
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: put the tape on a bus to lend Berman at

894
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Sea BSTV Channel two in New York to get him

895
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: on a Sunday night TV show and he ran it.

896
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: That's what I did in New Hampshire. Yeah, that's pretty

897
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: damn impressive and stupid, really, but I did it firt

898
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: of all. So if if the Knicks called you up

899
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: and said, hey, we want you to move back to

900
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: New York, I'd walk. I would walk there, believe me.

901
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, what I'm doing right now. And I

902
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: know this is like a dreamland. I know, but it

903
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: could very well happen because I got free time of mine,

904
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: and I'm working with a man in Louisville, Kentucky. He's

905
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: an attorney. His name is Bruce Miller, J Period Bruce Miller. J.

906
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: Bruce Miller is a die hard, die hard NBA fan.

907
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: He uh, he represented many NBA players over the years,

908
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: and he almost had the Vancouver Grizzlies moved to Louisville,

909
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: but they ended up in Memphis. So I'm working with

910
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: him trying to get investors to get an NBA team

911
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: in Louisville. I think it could happen. Louisville a tremendous

912
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: basketball city. They have a great arena, uh in Louisville,

913
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: and I think they could support the NBA there more

914
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: than that. And this is at the top of my head.

915
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this. A lot of these NBA owners took

916
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: a bath this year. They lost a lot of money.

917
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: And I won't be surprised if many of these owners

918
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: would would even go out and try to sell their franchise.

919
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: So I think Louisville has a chance if we can

920
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: get someone to corny up the money. And what I

921
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: do all day long? You talk about letter writing, Oh

922
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: my goodness, I mean I I write letters to everybody

923
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: and anybody. And uh, about a year or so ago,

924
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: I wrote a letter to Larry King. And why did

925
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: I write to him? To stow fold number one? I

926
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: knew he went to a pot of Dodgers. At one

927
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: time I watched the Dodging games. He always sits right

928
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: behind home plate number two. He went to my high school.

929
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: He went to Lafayette High School in Brooklyn. So I

930
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: got his address. I got this book of addresses. I

931
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: wrote to his address in Beverly Hills and a couple

932
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: of days later he called me up. He started singing

933
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: me to fight song for Lafayette High School, and he

934
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: said he was interested. But then, you know, God, you know,

935
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: I hate to say his his son died and he

936
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: got a divorce, and I kind of left and be

937
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: because I just don't think he's ready for that right now.

938
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: But we've got other people. And I wrote to uh

939
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: Easter Ray. You know, I was watching the NBA games

940
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: that she was doing promos on on the TV, So

941
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: I wrote, I write to everybody and anybody that I

942
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: think would be interested. I wrote to Charles Barklay wrote

943
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: to uh Kenny the Jets Smith, you know your name it?

944
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: What's the what's You have a circle of people with

945
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: money that would be interested in buying an NBA team,

946
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: So what's the pitch though? Like when you're hey, I've

947
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: got I need you to write a check for millions

948
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: of dollars to buy No I did. I didn't tell

949
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: my background, and I'm legit, you know, like most of these.

950
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: I write to Bernard King, I said, Bernard, I watched

951
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: you play high school basketball at Fort Hambleton High School

952
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. I was a manager of my high school

953
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: basketball team, and I said, Lafayette High School. I watched

954
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: you play. I said, uh, watched you with the Knicks.

955
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: I said, I'm working with J. Bruce Miller, an attorney

956
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: in Louisville. I said, we'd love to have you join

957
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: our group. I said, here's my cell phone number. I

958
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: could hook you with Mr Miller and maybe you could

959
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: fill you in on what we're doing and who love

960
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: to have you join us. That's all. What could you say?

961
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, hopefully someone will, and I think they might.

962
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a lot of people out

963
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: there with money who love basketball and have an ego.

964
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: That's what it takes. You have to have money, love

965
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: the game at basketball, and have a bit of an ego.

966
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: And is basketball your number one love or I love it?

967
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: I love college in the NBA, but I love the

968
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: NBA better. Interesting, So growing up in New York, obviously

969
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: it's one thing. But did you transfer your allegiance to

970
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: any team locally and you know an NBA TC. I

971
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: love the Knicks. I live and die with the Knicks.

972
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: I love Red Holsman. I loved him when he coached

973
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: the Knicks. I went to Summit Camp. I met Red Holsman.

974
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: They I just loved him. I love him to death.

975
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: What about for baseball though, I mean, obviously Yankees are mats,

976
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: and then now you go to Cincinnati with them, you know,

977
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: I tell you, And this sounds terrible, it really does.

978
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: I like the Reds, but I think that the longer

979
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: I follow sports and got involved the sports, I think,

980
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: the less interest to have in baseball. I think a

981
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: lot of people feel the same way. Baseball back when

982
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: I was a kid, was a national sport. Baseball now

983
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: is it local sport. It's a localized sport. I mean

984
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: I watched the sportscast now in Cincinnati at eleven o'clock.

985
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: They don't even give the playoff scores. They don't give

986
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: any highlights, any tape because if your team is not

987
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: in it, no one cares. But the NFL they plays

988
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: ding NFL highlights in Boise, Idaho. It's a national sport

989
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: for many reasons, the gambling aspect, the fantasy football aspect.

990
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: But still I think baseball right now has become a

991
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: localized sport. Unless your city is involved in the playoffs,

992
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: no one cares. How does it feel any that you

993
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: you've lived in Cincinnati all these years, you're from New

994
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: York and the Knicks have become the Bengals, right. I mean,

995
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: if you were saying that, you know who's the Bengals

996
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: of the NBA, It's the Knicks, right. They've been horrible

997
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: for well. I've open Tom Tibodot could turn them around.

998
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it could turn them around. Really now, I'm

999
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: hearing some rumblings that Russell Westbrook may become a Knick

1000
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: and I'd love to see that. I would love to

1001
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: see him on the Knicks. So we'll see what happens.

1002
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I think Tibodogat could. If anybody

1003
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: could turn them around, it's him, you know. And it's

1004
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: certainly sad because I hear all these fans and all

1005
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: these sports blaming owners. You know, in Cincinnati, it's Mike Brown.

1006
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: He's the He's the devil, He's the evil guy, the

1007
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: evil impick. What did he do? Mike Brown doesn't tackle,

1008
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: Mike Brown doesn't rush the quarterback. He has nothing to

1009
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: do with. They spent a lot of money this year.

1010
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: The Benge spent like a hundred and sixty million dollars

1011
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: on players. Maybe they spent it on the wrong players.

1012
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Maybe he should have beefed up the offensive line just

1013
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: at the defensive side of the ball. You know, you've

1014
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: got a franchise quarterback. Protect the guy, protect him, And

1015
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. So Andy, I want to circle

1016
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: back to the letter writing, have you had success with

1017
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: any of the younger generation, the millennials of the gen

1018
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: Z or these younger coaches? Do they right back or

1019
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: do they ignore you? Well, I'm trying to think who

1020
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: who they might be. I mean, there's a lot of

1021
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: older guys that ignore me too. I wish Saw Campbell

1022
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: might be a younger guy and I will stay because

1023
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: I knew him at the University of Toledo. He's kind

1024
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: of a younger guy. I don't. I don't. I think

1025
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell maybe early thirties and maybe late twenties. I

1026
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: don't know how well that Campbell is. I think like

1027
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: like Sean McVeigh with the Rams or Yeah, I don't.

1028
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: I don't like a lot of pro coaches. I really don't. Uh,

1029
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll every once in a while and they'll scribble

1030
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: a note back. You know. You know who writes me

1031
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: back all the time is Hardbor Harbor from Michigan. He's

1032
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: the best he's great, hell away who rub me back

1033
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: in two three days? Handwritten notes all the time, I said,

1034
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: a lot of these letters a kid. I got a

1035
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: couple of letters Stiffer made off for up from Kentucky,

1036
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I said at the time, when I

1037
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: was in high school, I said I wanted to attend

1038
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: the University of Kentucky was a basketball and he wrote

1039
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: me back. I got to find that letter somewhere in

1040
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: my basement, I guess, he said, young man, when you

1041
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: come down here and look me up in my office.

1042
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: He signed the eight offer up the baron. Wow, that's

1043
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And andy have you do you frame any

1044
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: of your letters the return of that that's egotistical free

1045
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: from what so someone could see it. I know, I

1046
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: know you can see it's it's almost like a baseball

1047
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: card where you put it in a seal and you

1048
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: make sure that it's in good condition if you ever

1049
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: want to. I got it somewhere to fight the yellow

1050
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: and now it's probably turned that. I don't know if

1051
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: you're touched by fall apart, well, you read it once,

1052
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: what else you gonna do with it? Like I read books.

1053
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: After I read the book, I throw him away I'm

1054
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna keep the book, Ane, and any any politician, any presidents,

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Speaker 1: or anybody politician type people that you've written to over

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Speaker 1: the years that we would know of. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I usually do write the president because uh, I used

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Speaker 1: to write the President. Well, I tell you what the

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Speaker 1: Queen of England. She's written me back several times. What

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Speaker 1: the Queen of e I'm sure it's one of the

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Speaker 1: staff members. But I got from Buckingham Palace. I got

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Speaker 1: letters from Buckingham Palace and what it was. At one

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Speaker 1: point in time, I wanted because my grandfather was from England.

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Speaker 1: He really was from Golden's Green, right outside of London.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned that to the Queen and I said

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Speaker 1: that I'm on radio in the States and I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: mind working for the BBC. And I thought that really

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Speaker 1: my accent, which I didn't have thought I had, but

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Speaker 1: my New York Brooklyn twang, I thought that would go

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Speaker 1: big in the BBC in London. It really would. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't know anything about the the soccer matches much, I

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Speaker 1: mean the English Premier League maybe, but I think that

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Speaker 1: would go the big. But she wrote me back and

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Speaker 1: she said that she couldn't help me whatever, like you

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Speaker 1: got to contact the station themselves. But she wrote me back,

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Speaker 1: she really did. But you know when I used to

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Speaker 1: work for the race tracks, but I used to do

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Speaker 1: is send others out to the presidents or or the

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Speaker 1: queen and and invite them to opening not at the races,

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Speaker 1: And that always used to get some good pr. I

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Speaker 1: remember I once wrote to George Burns and I said

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Speaker 1: that I'd give you a boxes to cars if you

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Speaker 1: come out to opening night and you know, zero stats.

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Speaker 1: Send it out to the press and they bite on that,

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Speaker 1: and they always wrote about that. That's pretty cool. We

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Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up, Andy, I love you man. Sunday

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Speaker 1: mornings right, promote your show. Andy. People can hear you

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio Sunday mornings six am Eastern Time,

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Speaker 1: three am Pacific Time, Sirius XM, Channel eighty three, the

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app. Also thirteen sixty am in Cincinnati, AM

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Speaker 1: in Dayton, UH twelve sixty am and in Indianapolis seven

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Speaker 1: ninety a m. In Louisville. Look at that. Mr he knew. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: I got it. We're on a lot of stations, all right, Andy.

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Speaker 1: We love you man. Thank you for your time and

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Speaker 1: we'll do this again. Thanks, but they're okay. Honestly, that

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Speaker 1: was great. It was wonderful. It was life changing. I

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Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, it's going to change my life. I

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Speaker 1: hope no one is. Be sure to catch live editions

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Speaker 1: of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two am Eastern

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Speaker 1: eleven pm Pacific