1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: Is it true that you had a music contract at 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: seven and Gertrude told him now, she told him, now. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: What, Yeah, you're gonna be able to make money as 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: a child. She turned it down. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 3: She turned it down, She turned it down. It's probably 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 3: the best thing for me. 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, getting getting introduced that young and 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: not having contexts and covering. 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably would have been you. 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 4: You think the contract was bad or she just didn't 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 4: think you was ready for that at that age. 12 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: That I just wasn't ready for it at that age. 13 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 14 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't even think that the contract even got to 15 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: the deal part right, It was just like no, yeah, 16 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: especially once again, anything outside of a church mindset was considered. 17 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: Worldly. 18 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 5: Yea. 19 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 4: So let me ask you this, Have you signed bad 20 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: contracts because at as a seven year old you had 21 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: someone a representative of an adult. Now you go into 22 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 4: it and you're your own, you're your kind of own boss. 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: And how does Kurt like differentiate between a good deal 24 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 4: and a bad deal? What has to be it for 25 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: to be a good deal? 26 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: What needs to be. 27 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: Let me jump in. 28 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: You didn't even gott to finish my very first recording 29 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: contract at twenty three years old. 30 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: The label I signed with. They took one hundred percent 31 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: of my publisher one hundred percent of my publishing. 32 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: How do you let that happen? 33 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Because I didn't really know any better. The people that 34 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: had represented me didn't know. It was new for everyone. 35 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know what an entertainment attorney was. The attorney 36 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: that I had was probably like a real estate attorney. 37 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: Didn't really know who to reach out to. This is 38 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. I'm living in Texas. It's not an 39 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: entertainment space. I didn't, you know. And then gospel music 40 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: has never been privy to a lot of agents and 41 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: attorneys and representatives and managers. That's not the ecosystem that 42 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: gospel music has always matriculated. And so we didn't have 43 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot of professionals in our space to be able 44 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: to try to gather information, and they took at. 45 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: I got got early on, early on. I'm old enough. 46 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: Now we're a lot of the uh, the the. 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: Copyright laws they now revert back to me. And then 48 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: so so that that's a blessing because after thirty thirty 49 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: five years, there's this reversion process and so but yeah, 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: but now most of most of my deals early on 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: were all bad deeds. I just wanted to do music 52 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: right and and and it came back to bite. 53 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: Me early on. 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 4: You were signed to interschool Interschool. One of this major 55 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: subsidiar areas up underneath it was death Row. 56 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: It was mainly hip hop. 57 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean beautiful. 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: That was beautiful. 59 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: Beautiful Doctor Dre and Jimmy Avin coming to see me 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: a concert at six Flags the Magic Mountain out here. Yeah, 61 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, just beautiful man. To be around so much talent, 62 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: To have Jimmy Vien say hey, I'm gonna send a 63 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: plane for you to go to Dublin so we can 64 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: record bonto, and you know, and and to work with 65 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: all these different people, it was. 66 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: It was great. Jimmy Ivien. I owe a lot to. 67 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: Him in my career because he's one of the greatest 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: and and and he really really really took a liking 69 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: to what I was doing and really gave me opportunities 70 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: that can have come with with without my relationship with him, 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: God using my relationship him. 72 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: What made you start your own record label? 73 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: It's because I saw young talent around me. I wanted 74 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: to curate younger talent that could continue the message and 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: the conversation. I probably would never do a label again 76 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: until I probably retire. It's because it's very hard to 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: separate yourself as an artist and as an owner of 78 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: a label, because everyone you sign understandably they think that 79 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: the access you have should be the access that they have, right, 80 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: And so it probably won't be until I fully retire 81 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: that I'll probably do another label again. 82 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: Well, how different is the industry in gospel today than 83 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: it was when you started in the nineties. 84 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: It's in a rough place. 85 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: It's in a very rough place because artists going to 86 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: always reflect where life is. I think that the decline 87 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: of organized religion, and in America, the the rise of 88 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: secularism and the and and the deconstruction of conversations of 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: faith and spirituality have all added to the the the 90 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: decline of people's engagement in people's interest in the music. 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: People don't go to church like they use no people 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: don't yeah, yeah, And then even then when you're go 93 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: on line, it's like it's it's it's almost like room noise. Yeah, 94 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: because you do an other faith, you're doing nothing and 95 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: your church hopping. 96 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, he ain't saying something. 97 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: You're enjoying you you put another church in so it's 98 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: like now it's like a church buffet, right, And so 99 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: if people are going to be engaging with God in 100 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: that in that space, then I could be go and 101 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: listening to the music. And then if they do listen 102 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: to the music, they're gonna listen to something from way back, 103 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: So from back in the nineties or the eighties or 104 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: early two thousands. They're not going to go discover the 105 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: new artists. And so it's it's something that is a 106 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: great concern for me. And then also the greatest concern, 107 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the greatest concern, King, The greatest 108 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: concern is that you've got a generation of younger gospel 109 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: artists that saw how the church killed and crucified and judged. 110 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: A lot of the older people are artists that were 111 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: before them, and their mindset is, I'm not gonna do 112 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: gospel music because y'all eat your own right, so judgmental, 113 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: so critical, so mean that while would I give myself 114 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: to something that's so that's that's that that's that's so toxic. 115 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: And so you have a whole nother generation of young 116 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Christians that are a lot like I ain't doing that. 117 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over here and do this other kind 118 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: of music and still love God do this. 119 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: And so we we we we are. 120 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: We We are really trying to rewrite thesations as best 121 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: as we can to make people feel comfortable that this 122 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: is a place for broken people and it's not a 123 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: place for Jesus juniors. 124 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: The radio era kind of let what you come in 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 4: came into versus the streaming area era. 126 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: It's kind of where we're heading. Yeah, if we're not 127 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: already there. 128 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: We're there. 129 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: What's your take on that we're there is? 130 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: I think that for this gener of music it can 131 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: be also very difficult because as the audience ages out 132 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: and the younger audience and not really listening to music 133 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: about gospel music and about God and faith like they 134 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: used to, then if the only way that people can 135 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: get the content is just to streaming, then we're having 136 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: a harder time getting the conversation about. 137 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: That this is available. That is because where where is 138 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: they shot? Think about it? Think about it. 139 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: Man, a song as big as take Me to the King, 140 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: and somebody like you, a black man, a successful black 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: man that was raised in church, you never heard the song, 142 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: So that means for me, there's so much work to 143 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: be done because I'm sitting again with an NFL legend 144 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: who just off the top of his dome, is not 145 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: privy to fred hammer music, jumpy key music, so those things. 146 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: For me, it's like, there's so much work to do, 147 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: but I want to do it. I want to do 148 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: the work. I'm committed because I am the biggest fan 149 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: of gospel music. Right, how does Kurt Franklin becomes a 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: become a choir director at eleven making twenty five books? 151 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: Don't make no sense. I shouldn't have been doing it. 152 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: Don't make no sense. 153 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: They shouldn't have had me that quiet level. I don't know. 154 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: And they was saying, stupid than them to do that, 155 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: stupid than them do that. I was eleven years old, 156 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: but I had twenty five dollars a week. Bro, do 157 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: you know the lemon heads and chicos with twenty five 158 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: dollars a week? 159 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 4: How receptive were the adults because you're a kid. I'm 160 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: a kid, and you're leading adults. 161 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm leading adults. But one thing, remember what we talked 162 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: about is a little boy. I would do anything to 163 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: be liked. Right, So my personality whatever charismo you want 164 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: to call it, whatever, my little energy. 165 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: They just thought I was. 166 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: A cute little thing and so and then also whatever 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: I was teaching, it was correct. You know, if I 168 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: was teaching a soprano part, it was correct. My voice 169 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: might have been high, you know what I'm saying, and 170 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: you may not been able to see me, you know 171 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I'm doing it. 172 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: The right way. 173 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: And so I got the job and I stayed at 174 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: that church from age twelve to age seventeen. 175 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: So are you like a cult or a general manager? 176 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: Because as a choir director, you gotta look, okay, we 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: got to make sure this the sopranos, altols and a mazes, 178 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 4: And the parent told, how did I mean as a child? 179 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: How do you like navigate that without stepping like you 180 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 4: a kid? 181 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: You don't know? 182 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: But the thing was, I didn't know. 183 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: Did they know? You know? Did they know that you knew? 184 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: Because sometimes it's hard receiving information from someone that's younger 185 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: than you. 186 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: In that context, they knew that I knew better than them, okay, 187 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: and I knew more than they did because no one 188 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: else could come and remove me from that seat and 189 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: do the job better at that time, so they had 190 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: to acquiesce too with the little twenty five year old 191 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: bad jay Rihcurl, you know, little boys. Teaching them is 192 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: because you can argue that the part was right. 193 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: So what was the audition process like for to become 194 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: a member of your choir? 195 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Oh, my choir? 196 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I never did auditions for people that 197 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: sang with me. 198 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: Is that it was always just relationships. 199 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: I I if I met somebody and we connected and 200 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: it just felt right, and their voice was warm enough 201 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: to be able to have the conversation and they felt 202 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: connected to the music I was doing. I've been blessed 203 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: to work with some of the greatest singers in the world, 204 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: and was never through auditions. It's always been through. 205 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: Relationship because you are who you are, have you had to. 206 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: Deal with any jealousy within your own group because you 207 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: are the face no matter how great they sing or 208 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 4: how great they sound, you're youth. 209 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: It's I think that I'm always trying to put myself 210 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: in a position that i want people to feel like 211 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: that we're in this together. I'm always trying to be 212 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: intentional just about the village and so, you know, and 213 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm quite sure that there may been times that I've 214 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: also done things that really pissed people off around me too, 215 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: So you know, I have to take responsibilities for times. 216 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: And maybe I did get caught up or that I 217 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: did start smelling myself. And you know, I mean, when 218 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: you're young and getting a lot of attention, you don't 219 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: always know how to handle. 220 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: How do you pull back? Because, like you said, you 221 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: did have so much commercial success. You are who you are. 222 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: Everybody knows you're your universal regarded as one of the 223 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: greatest gospel singers of your directors and singers of your era. 224 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: So how do you pull that back? 225 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: How do you like, Yeah, yeah, I'm feeling myself. 226 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah I'm doing too much over here. 227 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: You know, Man, is I really as imperfect as I 228 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: am Shannon, as Florid, as I am Shanning At the 229 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: end of the day, my love, my mad love, and 230 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: and maybe it came because I didn't have a daddy, 231 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: because I didn't have a mama, because I didn't have 232 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: no family. As a little boy, in my relationship with 233 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: the Lord was a real thing for me. As a 234 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: little boy, I was climbing on the top of the 235 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: roof having conversations with God. As a little five to 236 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: six year old boy. I was writing love songs to 237 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: him as a five six year ole boy, and so 238 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: that was really instilled in me early on. So wanting 239 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: to make him happy, wanting to make him proud of me, 240 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: and wanting to try my best to live in ways 241 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: to please him. So when I do smell myself or 242 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: when I do get a little card up, I know 243 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: that that can be disappointing in my relationship. 244 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 3: With me and him. So I'm always wanting to check it. 245 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm always wanting to acknowledge it is because how he 246 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: feels about me and how he sees me. 247 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: It's like everything you. 248 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: Let's talk about where you're from. You're from fort Worth, Texas, 249 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: seven six one zero four. I read an article that 250 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: said seven six one zero four has the lowest life 251 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: expectancy of any zip code in Texas. 252 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Oh wow, So I want to know that. 253 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 4: That's why I see I got the cards and I 254 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: get to ask a question. But in all honesty, what 255 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: was it like for you growing up in Fort Worth? 256 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: You know there was a liquor store around the corner. 257 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: You know, there were there there were there were there 258 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: were prostitutes at this pool shackerated across the street that 259 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: we went to go play pool in. You know, we 260 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of adult supervision in the summer time, 261 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: so it's a lot of hide and go get it, 262 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. A lot of and just 263 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of inappropriate ways of trying to learn love, 264 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you didn't get it 265 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: the right way. So there were a lot of barras, 266 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: and then there was church, so you got this smoke. 267 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: You got this mortgage board of experiences that are now clashing, 268 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: and so. 269 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: It could be very difficult, you know. 270 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: And then you know, when you're raising these marginalized communities, 271 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: a lot of single home families, the mama not happy 272 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: that she's singing, working two jobs, so she mad and mean. 273 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: So you know, you also raised around a lot of 274 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: mean and mad parents. You know, the adults always seem 275 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: don't you remember that when you were young, everybody seemed 276 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: mean and mad, right, everybody was mean and mad. So 277 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: you developed that in that energy, so you never feel 278 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: like that you're warning your still like you're. 279 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: In the way, right, help me out with this. 280 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 4: You were adopted, was it your biological aunt or whether 281 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: it's a family friend that you referred to as your 282 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: aunt at the age of four. 283 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: She was. 284 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't believe she was biologically related to me, but 285 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: that's what people because other people call her aunt Gerty. Yes, 286 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: that it just became natural for people to think she 287 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: was my aunt. But she legally she was a lady 288 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: that legally adopted me. She took me in because she 289 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: knew of my biological mother, legally changed my name. I 290 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: was born Kirk Mathis and she changed my name to 291 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin when I was. 292 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Four, right, and she was a widow. 293 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: Do you remember this transition in your life? No, it's 294 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 4: I don't. 295 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: There's never a time in my life that I didn't 296 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: know that I was that I wasn't adopted. I've always 297 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: known that I was adopted, right, So when I came 298 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: on the planet and never had any level of consciousness, 299 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: I knew from that day that I was always adopted. 300 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: Did you know your biological mom? 301 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: And that's and and I think that's the trauma. The 302 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: trauma is in most environments with kids who are adopted, 303 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: they're in these systems, right, so they don't know who 304 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: their biological parents are. They know that they are given 305 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: away which is already a womb, but then another family 306 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: takes the man, so at least the womb gets a 307 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: skept heal. Yeah, but in these marginalized communities, it ain't 308 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: nothing for your biological mama. 309 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: Ain't there something to come through? 310 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: But they knew bart for anything and everyone you know, 311 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: to pull up and maybe three or four times a year, 312 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: so every time they come and leave, it's ripping that off, 313 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: so you never get. 314 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: A chance to heal. So you're always living with these 315 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: open wounds. 316 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: So you know, you knew who your mom was, Oh god, yes, 317 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: So when she would come around, was there any kind 318 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: of interaction with you, did you like mom? You know, 319 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 4: did she take you to the did you try to 320 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 4: get your mom to take you to the store by candy, 321 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: by cookies, by pop or was there any interaction with 322 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: her in you? 323 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: You know, there were moments where maybe you know, she 324 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: would tend to go get a hamburger, or maybe there 325 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: were moments you know that that that that that she 326 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: she would bring a soda around the house or whatever. 327 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: But for the most part, she would she would make 328 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: she would make promises and wouldn't keep them. Is because 329 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: I got a half sister she had a daughter, and 330 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: so sometimes she wasn't raised with me, but when she 331 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: was around me, there were times that we would wait 332 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: for her to come pick us up, and she didn't. 333 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: She make promises take us to the fair, you know, 334 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: and so I remember, you know, living with a lot 335 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: of broken promises. 336 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 4: How did how did I just helped me understand. And 337 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 4: maybe you don't even know the answer to this. How 338 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 4: did the woman, Aunt Gerty that ended up adopting you? 339 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 4: How did this come to be? Did you were her 340 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: and your mom friends? Or how did that? How did that? 341 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 4: How did that happen? 342 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: My mother was the niece. My mother was the daughter 343 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: of somebody that she knew. I don't I don't know 344 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: if they were related or not. But my my mother's 345 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: mother died, and when my mother's mother died, Aunt Gerdy 346 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: kind of played a bigger role in this, uh, in 347 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Deborah's life. Debra's my biological mother. And so when Deborah 348 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: got pregnant with me, she no longer she didn't want 349 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: to be a mother. 350 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: She was fifteen something like that. 351 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: She didn't want she didn't want to raise the child, 352 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and so she gave She allowed Gertrude to adopt me. 353 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: And so that's how they knew each other. They knew 354 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: each other through somebody that was related to somebody. 355 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: Wow. 356 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's sudden. That's how I got to 357 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: and Gerdy, have. 358 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: You ever been able to heal? Have you gotten therapy 359 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: for that trauma? Because you know that Aunt Gerdy is 360 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: not your biological mom. You see your biological mom from 361 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 4: time to time and the connection is not there. Aunt 362 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 4: Gerdy gave you something your biological mother either couldn't or 363 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: wouldn't give you at the time, which is love. 364 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 365 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 4: Now, love and our community back then meant something different. 366 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: It wasn't hugging and kissing. You got a roof over 367 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: your head, you got clothes, you got food. That's love, 368 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 4: that's love. 369 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: But she, Aunt. 370 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 4: Gerdy, gave you something that your biological mom either. 371 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: Couldn't ye didn't have you. 372 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 4: How have that shaped you into the person the man 373 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: that you are to date? 374 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Well's I don't know if you're aware of this recent 375 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: situation to me, I need the same thing about. 376 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: My father This year, I was gonna go there. 377 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: I hadn't talked to my mother in over twenty three 378 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: years before the situation. Your biological mother, Yeah, Gertrude died 379 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: thirty three years ago. Okay, so Gertrude died when I 380 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: was twenty. Yeah, I found Gertude in her bed sleep. 381 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: I found Gertude, well, the fireman found her in her 382 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: bed to night's sleep and shit and go on transition, 383 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah. And so Deborah and I had not 384 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: had a relationship because what started to happen with Deborah 385 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: and even the man all my life I thought it 386 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: was my father, and because I met him when I 387 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: was six, and this see him began until I was thirteen, 388 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: and this him again until my career took off. And 389 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: then Deborah and Dwight, the man who I thought was 390 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: my biological father, they started showing up at concerts, and 391 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: that pissed me off, right, It really angered me, and so. 392 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 4: I wanted nothing to do with me. What I didn't 393 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 4: have now I have, you want everything to do with Back. 394 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: Then, it didn't want me. You know what I'm saying, 395 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: Mike who is Mike Jones? Mike who? 396 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: You didn't know? 397 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: Who who? Yeah? 398 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: So you know it. It was very painful for me. 399 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: And so up up until this year, I hadn't talked 400 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: to the Deborah and over to I haven't seen talked 401 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: to Debron over twenty three years. 402 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 4: So how did the conversation come to be that d 403 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: White wasn't your biological father? 404 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: At a funeral this year that was that was had 405 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: at a church. There's a young lady that sings in 406 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: my group whose daddy was a pastor that church. The 407 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: funeral was for a lady who is my aunt. She's 408 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: the sister of Deborah. I didn't go to the funeral 409 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: because I knew Deborah would be there, so I didn't go. 410 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: Okay at the funeral, and I'm telling you everything I 411 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: was told. At the funeral, there was a guy there 412 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: who was close friends to the past That guy's name 413 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: is Rick. Rick went to the funeral because the lady 414 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: that died was a member of that church. When Deborah, 415 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: my biological mother, was at the funeral as well, it 416 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: was said that Rick said to the pastor, oh, I 417 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: didn't know that Deborah and the young lady that died 418 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: that they were sisters. And then he goes on to say, 419 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: I used to mess around with Deborah when I was 420 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: a kid. 421 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: He said that in the church. He said, oh did 422 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 2: they whoa? Whoa? 423 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: You ain't been a black church inny Wady. 424 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that now don't no, they don't know me 425 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: to see chef secrets like that. 426 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, you need to start coming on back 427 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: to black no better money. 428 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: So yes, he said that at this funeral. And so 429 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: when he said that, do you do you do you know? 430 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 3: Bro? 431 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: And at that funeral when he said that, everybody looks 432 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: at him and says, you know, that's Kirk Franklin's biological mother. 433 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: And he's like and they were like, do you know 434 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin was like, yeah, I've heard the name. I've 435 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: heard the name. And so now they're looking at him, 436 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: his height, his ears, his hands be a little bit. 437 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: More, yeah right, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 438 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: So and so he now is being observed by everybody. 439 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: Oh oh, and so now the rumor mill starts to happen. 440 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: And so it gets too Deborah's attention that this church 441 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: in this community is now talking. Deborah finds my number. 442 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: I have a Google number. And Deborah finds that Google 443 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: number from somebody leaves a message. I had heard a 444 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: voice in twenty three years, traumatized, but I heard a voice. 445 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: She said, Hey, this is Deborah. I want you to 446 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: know that I hear about the rumor that's being spread around. 447 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: Rick is not your father. You know who your father was. 448 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: He died and and and I'm not gonna let that 449 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: be a lie that they tell you, mister Rick. Because 450 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: of the commotion on his own, he gets swabbed and 451 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: gives the swabs to my friend the singsle men say, Hey, 452 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: everybody's running their mouth. 453 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. I do know that I did dater. 454 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 3: I do know. 455 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: Y'all are looking at me crazy right now here here, 456 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: Giddy's Kirk. If Kirk got any questions, he can go 457 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: get these tested now. If he has questions, well, of 458 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: course I consider that. 459 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, see, I know I know you. He knew you. 460 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 4: He knew because he probably inquisitive himself, knowing that. 461 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: You gonna be equipaled. You got to do it. You 462 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: just got to, don't you. You couldn't. You couldn't sleep at night, 463 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: not now. 464 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So as I got swabbed. Yeah, and he's your dad. 465 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: He's my father. Shook my world, it is, It has 466 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: shaken my world. Even now, I'm I'm I'm still shook it. 467 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm still in the middle of the uh, the the 468 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: impact of that car wreck. But and devor still denies it, 469 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: and we took another DNA test for her and she 470 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: still denies it. 471 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: To this very day, I have not talked to her since. 472 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: It's funny though, to this day, you still referred to 473 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 4: her as Deborah, not Mom. You refer to Rick as Rick. 474 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: Mister Rick. It's because he's a good guy, right. He 475 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: didn't know, right, so it's not on him, right. But 476 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: what people need understand is because you know one thing 477 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: that has been very hard for me, and I be 478 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: honest with your missus, Shannon, it is very hard for 479 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: me when when people come from and go, oh, this 480 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: is so beautiful. This is a beautiful thing. You are 481 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: united with your father is beautiful. I need for people 482 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: to understand, I'm fifty three years old. I wasn't looking 483 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: for daddy, right. He one looking for a son. Right. 484 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: Do you know how much deconstructing it takes to live 485 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: your whole life knowing who you believe your daddy'd be, 486 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: and you hated him, and so now that you get 487 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: this information, you. 488 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: Just go, oh, well, let me turn that off my dad. 489 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: It's like, just because you're introduced to love doesn't mean 490 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: that you know how to receive it. Right, especially when 491 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: you have lived a lie and people don't even understand. 492 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 3: Also, the power a mother has. 493 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: Over a child, the fact that my mama ain't been 494 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: in my life, but still denying me that truth. That 495 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: impacts the way that I can embrace and still even 496 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: move through this process. 497 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 4: Do you think she knew that mister Rick was your 498 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: father instead of Dwight. 499 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you something. 500 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it a buck with your king, you know, 501 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: if we're not gonna even start the cab. 502 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: I was looking at everybody crazy because it's a small community. 503 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody know, Ain't nobody know? And the man that 504 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: I I thought was my father his family, no mister rereg. 505 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: But just gout that know of Kirk. 506 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 4: That don't mean that they knew that miss Rick had 507 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 4: some type of relationship. 508 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: That exactly is true. That exactly is true. 509 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying, though, when you grow up in these spaces 510 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: of not knowing what's what, you start to look at 511 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: everybody like Craig because the bottom line is the baby 512 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: got dropped. 513 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, the baby got dropped. 514 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: So in other words, you're like, I'm fifty three years 515 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: of age. I wasn't looking for a father. He wasn't 516 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 4: looking for a son, because when I was looking for 517 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 4: a father, he wasn't looking for a son. 518 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: Yes, and so now it is too. 519 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: If it's not that it's too late, I am just 520 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: having to deconstruct everything. 521 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: And how are you gonna do fifty plus years? Though, 522 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Kirk said, what how do you undo fifty three plus years? 523 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: It's hell, it's hell, it's hell. My my therapist Bill 524 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: is out the worm. Yet me tell you something. Let 525 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: me tell you something. I could probably buy a whole 526 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: new children's wardrobe for for what's happening with my therapy Bill. 527 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: But but, but, but I do want to say though, 528 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: mister Rick is a good guy. He's a good dude. 529 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: He's a good dude, and and and and what I 530 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: love the most about him, he keeps saying, go at 531 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: your pace. He said, it's all about you. And I'm 532 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: in therapy and I'm walking it out and I'm trying 533 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: to process it. 534 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: And you know, I'll. 535 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: Be honest with you, it breaks my heart that my 536 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: mama still ain't called me through this. 537 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: It breaks my heart. Bro documentaries come out, I ain't. 538 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: Even heard from my mama, you know, And it's it's 539 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: amazing to impact Mama's heaven. 540 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 4: That's the heal that's the wound that has to heal. Yeah, 541 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: not mister Rick, Yeah, not mister Dwight is past. That's 542 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 4: the wound. Yeah, that the sad needs to be spread. 543 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: On, Yeah, so it can heal. Yeah. 544 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: Have you thought about having a conversation? Have you thought 545 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: about having therapy with your mom? Because I think you, guys, 546 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: there are some things that you need to hear from her. 547 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 4: There are some things she needs to hear from you, 548 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 4: but it needs to be in a control setting. 549 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: Maybe someday. I don't know. 550 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm okay to say I don't know. 551 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm okay to say that I don't have the answers. 552 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: I don't know. Have you thought about opening the door first? 553 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 4: Because I think the down Kurt, I think you're asking 554 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 4: you wanting her to take that step because she was 555 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 4: the adult. 556 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: She did what she did. 557 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 4: She gave you away because at a young as you 558 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 4: say she was about fifteen, that's asking an awful lot 559 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 4: for a fifteen year old to take the responsibility, because 560 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: the fifteen year old can barely take care of themselves, 561 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 4: let alone another body. 562 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 563 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Kurt. 564 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 4: You would get so much more if you took that 565 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: first step, if you opened that door. 566 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's there's a great fear too 567 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: of opening up that door because you don't know. I know, 568 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: and yeah, and and and and the fact that there 569 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: were two tests that she denies. 570 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,239 Speaker 4: Kurt, you have to understand when someone is told a 571 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 4: lie for so long. 572 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 573 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: She told you this life for fifty plus years. You 574 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: think that after fair fair, you get fair. 575 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 4: I mean, people will tell you a lot of all 576 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: and they just and they'll keep telling that lie because 577 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: they believe repetition of a live make it the truth, fair, fair, fair. 578 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 4: So when you're are there at any point, when you're 579 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: alone and you're sitting at home, they're like, you know what, 580 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 4: I need to do this. It's because it's not for 581 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 4: her at this point in time. Nothing you do is 582 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: for her. It's for you. 583 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: It's I think that when I'm alone right now, what 584 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: I sit with is because the truth is, this happened 585 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: when I was working on the album, Yes, and then 586 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: the album came out, and then the tour, so I 587 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: been blessed to be busy, right and so now that 588 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: the tour just ended last week, I'm having to sit 589 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: in a little bit more than I've had to. So 590 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: when I'm sitting now by myself, I think it's also 591 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: more of ain't this so? 592 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's I can't believe this has really happened. 593 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: It's I think the reality of what has happened is 594 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: hitting me more now than ever before, because I was 595 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: blessed to stay busy, because if I wasn't busy, I 596 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: probably would have lost it. 597 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I probably would have lost it. 598 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 4: Do you believe that she started to come back around 599 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 4: along with the person you believe to be your biological father. 600 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 4: They wanted something, They found out what you had become, 601 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 4: who you had become. 602 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: Back years ago. 603 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: That's how it made me feel, is because she was 604 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: not in my life even and even when I was homeless, 605 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: sleeping in my car and didn't have food. Ooh, as 606 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: a young nineteen twenty y old man, nobody was around, nobody 607 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: was looking out for me, nobody checked on me. 608 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 2: And so why did you know where you were at 609 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: that age? 610 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: It's Fort Worth, Texas. 611 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm not start fining, and I was living in a 612 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: house that Gertue died in Okay. So I'm I'm where 613 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: everybody know I'm man. You know I'm playing at the 614 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: same churches, so I'm not hard to find. But you 615 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: know what though, and at the same time, I do 616 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: want to say this, man, this is not about bashing 617 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: a black woman. I don't want it to even come 618 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: across like I'm on your show and there's a vengeance 619 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: that I have for what my mother did. We don't 620 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: know what she went through, right, We don't know the 621 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: pains of life that she had. We don't even know 622 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: maybe what all the. 623 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: Things she suppressed. I don't know. All I know is 624 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: that for me, in my life, it's been turned upside down. 625 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: It's been. 626 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: Like I give you something that I even start to 627 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: struggle with too, man, like can I keep it up? 628 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: Keep the ball. 629 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: I've even had my struggles with God. I've had my 630 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: private struggles with God. 631 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Because I am a Christian that believes in the sovereignty 632 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: of God. 633 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: Means that I believe that everything. 634 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: God allows or God creates, that nothing passes to us 635 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't go through God's hands first, that God could 636 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: either stop things or God allows things for. 637 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 3: A greater reason. 638 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: I humbly believe that that's my humble biblical view of 639 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: the sovereignty of God. So God and his sovereign plan 640 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: allowed me to be raised without my daddy, and my 641 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: daddy lived ten minutes from me the majority of my life. 642 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: Not having a daddy. 643 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: We know what the stats say, the stat will say 644 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: a young child raise what his father mother has a 645 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: better chance of surviving. 646 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: We all know the status right. 647 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: So not having a child and not having a father, 648 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: I got into a lot of trouble, learned a lot 649 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: of inappropriate ways of survival with women and sexuality and 650 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 1: different things, and made a lot of mistakes, you know, 651 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: to develop a lot of bad habits. 652 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: Now, mind you, mister k was a kid himself. He 653 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: was a kid himself, but I didn't have a dad. 654 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: God and a sovereign plan allowed that stairway in that 655 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: I developed some bad ways without having a male figure 656 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: in my life, a mother figure, male figure in my life, 657 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: and some of those ways when I became a Christian. 658 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: Now God, now God calls those things sin. But in 659 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: his plan he kept some things a way that could 660 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: have helped some things not turned into these bad sins 661 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: that I struggle with. 662 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 663 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: Yes, So now there are things in me that God 664 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: don't like, but also the things that he allowed. So 665 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: I've had my own probably and this is the first 666 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: time I've ever said this, but I've never said this before. 667 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: And God, me and God have had strung. And somebody 668 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: was saying, well, you don't know what kind of man 669 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: mister Rick was. You know, he could have been a 670 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: bad influence. You don't know what kind of man mister 671 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: Wick could have been if he had a response, if 672 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: you would have had the responsibility of so because me 673 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: and you, as men know them, kids grow you up 674 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: and there's certain things that you got are now yeah, 675 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we don't know. And I'm not saying 676 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: that I know. I'm just being transparent to say I've 677 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: probably struggled. 678 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: I've had my war. 679 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm quite sure everybody listening to me, if you've 680 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: never had anything, you were. 681 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: Like, God, why you take my mama? God, why you 682 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: do this? 683 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: If you've never had a war with God, you ain't 684 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: never had no relationship with God, because if you got 685 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: a relationship with God, you've had some wars with it. 686 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: Of course, there's been questions, Yes, sir. 687 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 4: Dude, man, that's to know that that private struggle. But 688 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 4: at the time, as you were growing up, you're for 689 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 4: this transition. And so now you're ten, now you're fifteen, 690 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 4: you're twenty. Did any of that Was that going through 691 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 4: your mind at the time, that my dad's not here, 692 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 4: my mom whatever reason she was. But I do have 693 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 4: missus Gertrude, our Gertrude, that's doing the best that she can. 694 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 4: She was sixty four year old, she was. 695 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: A widow, and by the time I'm thirteen, she's seventy three. 696 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: She is a seventy three year old woman. About the 697 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: time I'm thirteen. 698 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: Years it's a thirteen year old. 699 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 3: She can't do nothing. She can't she can't do nothing 700 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 3: with me. 701 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: Right she sho sleep at six thirty, you out the house, listen. 702 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 3: Sleep, listen right after price is right? Give her price 703 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: is right. 704 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: I do, Yes, I do. But so let me ask 705 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: you this. 706 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 4: You're a very public man, and even as a public 707 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 4: figure myself, I try to live a private life. 708 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: And a lot of. 709 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 4: Times things that we go through be a family gets 710 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 4: played out. Yeah, we see t I and his son 711 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 4: have a little situation and seemingly they've worked it out. 712 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: I think a couple of years ago you had had 713 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: an issues with your son. Yes, does it. 714 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 4: Make you we sometime that damn man, I wish I 715 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 4: was I wish I was a private citizen. 716 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: Oh day, every day, Oh every day. It's even changed 717 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: how I even post on social media, like post my 718 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: family a lot. But over the last year or so, 719 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: I've even kind of struggled with that more, you know, 720 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: and it's been hard because you know, I could see 721 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: how people would attack my kids, you know, uh they 722 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: were they were they were, they would say cruel things 723 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: or or even also living up to the expectation. Like 724 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: one thing that started to hate if I can be 725 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: if I keep it the buck as I hate this 726 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: whole couple goals when people see you what you wi, 727 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: your spouse, whatever, and it become goals. 728 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not a couple when. 729 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: Everybody's goal should be we should be trying to be 730 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: like him instead of started trying to be like each 731 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: other because we're gonna. 732 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 3: Let you down, Kurt Gonta, let you down. I'm trying 733 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 3: to point you too. And then also, how can I 734 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 3: be a. 735 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Couple goal for you when all you were seeing is 736 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: the post. You're not seeing the life you judging what you. 737 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: Want on the post. 738 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 4: People seem to think public means perfect yes, yes, And 739 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 4: that's what social media has warned a lot of mind 740 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 4: because they see people getting on the private jet even 741 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 4: though they just they might have rented. 742 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 3: That, They might have rented that just for that shot, 743 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 3: just for that. 744 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: Shot, or if they rented the cars. 745 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 4: Yes, and so now they associated public with perfect. Well, 746 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 4: Kirk married, you don't know the private You know nothing. 747 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: It is why it goes in order to just get 748 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 4: to the. 749 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: Next day, or even the hell that Kirk takes his 750 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: wife through, correct, you know what I'm saying, Or the 751 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: hell that Kirk takes his kid through. Because I'm not 752 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: gonna sit up here and ever say to anyone that 753 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: I am this dude that loved Jesus has. 754 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: Got it all together. Brother, I am a patient in 755 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 3: the hospital every day. Every day I'm in my hospital 756 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: bed trying to see the doctor. 757 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: And I think historically Christians have always pushed themselves as 758 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: we've got to answer like. 759 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 3: Like we're the doctors. Like brother Shannon, you need prayer 760 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 3: and we're here to help you, brother, whatever we can 761 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 3: do for you. 762 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: And it's like, first of all, first of all while 763 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: we whispering when we talk to people. 764 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: Do you even know what I'm saying? Why Christians whisper? 765 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't want nobody to hear that. 766 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And that's my point though, 767 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: that's my point. Bro, You're not no doctor. 768 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: You in the hospital bed next to me, and and 769 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: and I think that that's why so many people have 770 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: been turned off. So I want people to know, Bro, 771 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm in the bed next to you telling you what 772 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: the doctor did for me. 773 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: And if he did it for me, he can do 774 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: it for you. 775 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 4: As a child going through what you went through, how 776 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 4: did that impact your learning? 777 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: I had a learning disorder, as I had ADHD. But 778 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: in the eighties, you know, you're just considered dumb. Yeah, 779 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: And I had one of my kids, one of my 780 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: one of them. 781 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: Are you bad? They put. 782 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that, all of that, And I was 783 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: all of that until I got to music class, until 784 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: I got to drama class, until I got to band class, 785 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: and I was good. And so it wasn't until one 786 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: of my kids got diagnosed. And when you go through 787 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: that press he's like, that's me. So I had a 788 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: lot of learning disorders and but but but but what's 789 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: been amazing is that I've been able to live bycariously, 790 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: uh through a lot of is I surrounded myself with 791 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: very strong, academically committed people, uh and and and and 792 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: their level of scholarship. I was able to live vicariously 793 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: through their hard work. And so I became a student 794 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: of everything religion, politics, science, uh. 795 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 3: Just like world issues. 796 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: And so I became very very intentional about being around 797 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: people that were much much much better than me. 798 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: Did you have friends in high school? Do you have 799 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: a lot of friends? 800 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of friends in high school. 801 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: I had a lot of girls that I was friends with. Yeah, yeah, 802 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: I was a lot of you know, a lot of girls. 803 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: But but but but again, through therapy, I've learned that 804 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of my mom issues. 805 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 2: You want you wanted comfort, you wanted from a female? 806 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, yeah, buddy, yes, yes, I work yeah, Unfortunately, 807 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: unfortunately I work better with females. I love to this day, 808 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: to this day, I love female leadership. I love female 809 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: leaders I'm just there's something very comforting about the the ideation, 810 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: the execution of how women maneuver in business and in spaces. 811 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: Is because I think that there's a level of intentionality 812 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: that they bring to the equation, and and and and 813 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: and and I just believe them to be more pragmatic. 814 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: And so I am a fan. I'm such a fan 815 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: of women and women leadership. 816 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: High school. What was high school like? Would you a 817 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 2: good student? 818 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 3: Girls? 819 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 2: Well? That's I mean yeah, I mean I don't know 820 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 2: if anybody go to school for girls? I mean you did. 821 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 2: What were the grades like? 822 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: My grades were bad except for music, drama and bad. 823 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: I failed my freshman year. I failed my freshman year. 824 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: I went to summer school. That's and found out how 825 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: many girls were at summer school. And I failed summer school. 826 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: I fell summer school because girls. 827 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 2: You fail your freshman year and. 828 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 3: Then fail summer school because girls. 829 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: Girls. Oh, I was girl crazy girls, and I would 830 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: fall in love quick. I fall in love so quick. 831 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: So well, it was, it was, it was, it was. 832 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: It was a blend. But I was the kind of 833 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: guy that loved the idea of love. 834 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,439 Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm a blend. Somebody this somebody's water. 835 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 3: What does that do? What does that do? Conye? 836 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 2: It opens it up? 837 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 3: Oh does it? 838 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 2: Now? Now? 839 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: Now now it's kangnac. But you're using hot tiddies. 840 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, as I've had a good gertude could make 841 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: a hotdy Yeah, gets right to boy, whatever cold, whatever 842 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: situation you had, Boy, boy, you wake up a new 843 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:02,959 Speaker 1: little boy. 844 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 2: What it seemed like me. 845 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: Shout out to Tanya Hall. She was my second grade crush. 846 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: Tanya Hall was my second grade crushing. 847 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 3: Shout out to Tiny Hall. 848 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 4: Man. 849 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 2: All you said you had a friend died. That kind 850 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: of changed. 851 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 3: Your life, shifted the trajectory of my entire life. 852 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 4: Is that when you became this version of what we 853 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 4: see today. 854 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's because he was the good guy. I 855 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: was the bad guy. I was the guy smoking, drinking, 856 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: wilding out, having premarital sex. 857 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 3: He was the church guy. He was good. He was 858 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 3: a good guy, good singing, was at church every day. 859 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 3: He was digging guy. 860 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 2: He was. 861 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: He was digging in his closet on a Monday morning 862 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: after a church concert that his church did, because he 863 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 1: wanted to record the concert on a blank VHS digging 864 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: in the close of a gun, fell out of the 865 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: top of the closet, fell on the ground, shot and 866 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: killed him. 867 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 3: Wow. 868 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: Some of nineteen eighty five Eric Pounds changed my life. 869 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: That summer, I got on my knees and asked you 870 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: just to come into my heart. And I knew something 871 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: to change. I'm not perfect, hadn't been perfect, but I 872 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: knew something in me shifted. 873 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 2: Right. 874 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were a young father, you got a young 875 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 4: lady pregnant at the age of seventeen. Yeah, yeah, how 876 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 4: did that change your life? 877 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 3: Very embarrassing. 878 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: I was very, very embarrassing because again, raised in church, 879 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: I was embarrassed for just shamed I brought apart her life. 880 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: I was shamed because I was always reminded of my 881 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: wrong because then you know, these these these these things 882 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: you can hide because the church was such a framework 883 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: of the community. Correct, So whatever happened in the church, everybody. Yeah, 884 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: and so it was, it was, it was. It was 885 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: very difficult. Gertrude kicked me out. I had to go 886 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: sleep on some couches because Girtu's old school. Yeah, America, girl, 887 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: you gotta get out of here because you grow and 888 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: you couldn't. So I was living in my car, sleeping 889 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: on people's couches, you know, just living everywhere. 890 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 3: You know. 891 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: I had a trash bag full of clothes that I 892 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: would keep in the back of the church. So I 893 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: would go to church on Sunday mornings, wash up in 894 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: the men's restaurant and put on something from that bag 895 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: to play because that was my job. I played at 896 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: church and then I put my clothes back in that 897 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: trash bag. 898 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 2: Did your son live with you or did he live 899 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 2: with his mom? Uh? 900 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: He lived with me some, he lived with her. Uh 901 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: he lived with his grandparents sometimes because she lived with 902 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: her parents for a minute. But there was never a 903 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: time that I wasn't in his life. I was constantly 904 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: in his life. 905 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 3: I was there. I didn't I didn't have nothing, but 906 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 3: I was there. 907 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 2: Was it because you wanted to be what you never had. 908 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: In a Partice's h That is it? That is it, 909 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: no doubt. And then he was cute. He was just 910 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: cute as hell. He was a beautiful little baby and 911 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: it was funny, and so you know, I I just 912 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: never want him to feel what I felt, never want 913 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: him to experience. 914 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 4: I mean you, hey, you are like thirty four, you 915 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 4: got a seventeen year old. Yeah, he's like and people. 916 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 2: Like, hey, hey, Kurt, that's you, that's your brother, Like, nah, 917 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 2: that's my son. 918 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 3: And I'm saying he was the homie. I'll never forget. 919 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: When my first album came out, I was twenty five 920 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: years old and I was no no, No, Watch twenty three 921 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: but a round. By twenty five, I was at the 922 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 1: event signing artographs. Right, look down, he's signing girls autographs. 923 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: That's the homie. That's the homie. And he's so smart. 924 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 5: Man. 925 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: Carry On is brilliant. Carry On is brilliant, and I 926 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: love him. I deeply love him. 927 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 2: We talked about the social media. 928 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 4: How different do you think your life or our lives 929 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 4: would be as a whole if there was no social media. 930 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 1: It's I think that it's the dichotomy of social media 931 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: is I think that it's stayin in the yang because 932 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: it has done also a lot of good that has 933 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: brought a high level of connectivity. 934 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 3: But at the same time. 935 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: The the the exposure you're to judging and the opinions 936 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: that are free and freely given by those that don't 937 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: have any knowledge at times of the level of commentary 938 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: that they try to that they try to commit to 939 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: or to contribute to, has also made a very problematic 940 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: for individuals. 941 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 3: It's a lot of shaming. 942 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: That that happens so on different platforms, and so it's 943 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: I think that it's almost it's almost, If I can 944 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: be honest, I think that even the conversation is sometimes 945 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: a mute conversation. 946 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,439 Speaker 3: Because it ain't going nowhere right. 947 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: We just have to try to be intentional about how 948 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,280 Speaker 1: we monitor our own souls and our own mental health 949 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: in these spaces, because the space is just going to 950 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: continue to grow, and the voices and the opinions of others, 951 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: it's just going to continue to grow as well. 952 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 4: You know what, I got a couple of questions for 953 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 4: you and you that person, to ask what are your 954 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 4: thoughts on fifty to fifty relationships? 955 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 3: What does that mean? Fifty fifty relationships? 956 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 2: You pay half? I pay half. 957 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,240 Speaker 3: I'm old school. 958 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 2: See that's me. 959 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 3: I'm old school. I'm will pay for everything. 960 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 4: But hold on, if you pay for everything, are you 961 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 4: expecting old school values and a new school woman? 962 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 2: Because that's not how they're. 963 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 3: Wired, but they can be. It's I think that every woman. 964 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: Would be grateful for a man to step up and 965 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: take leadership in the right way. The problem is the 966 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,280 Speaker 1: lack of love, compassion, and the lack of still having 967 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: a voice in your significant other is some things. The 968 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,879 Speaker 1: thing that that wis men fail at is because there 969 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: is this authoritarian mindset that we also have that if 970 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm contributing and leading everything, that I contribute and lead everything, 971 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 1: but there should should be an equal voice and an 972 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: opinion and view that we must consider that we must 973 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: acquiesce to at times, because there's a wisdom and a 974 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: knowledge that a woman brings to the table that we 975 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: benefit from. And so but a lot of that is 976 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: our own insecurity. It's a lot of the ways that 977 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: we were raised. 978 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 4: What's a good place to take someone on the first date? 979 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 4: You know, we there's this thing that's viral mod what's 980 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 4: a good what's a good place to go on the 981 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 4: first date? And how much you'd want spend? 982 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: I think the best place to go on the first 983 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: date is to ask her where she want to go? 984 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 2: Oh no, no? Why? Why? 985 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,399 Speaker 4: Because she says, I want to go to this five 986 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 4: star restaurant where you already know if you just ordered 987 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 4: the water fifty dollars? 988 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 3: But what's wrong with her saying That's? 989 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 2: What's wrong with me saying no? 990 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 5: No? 991 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: So first of all, I'm trying to figure out what's 992 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: the problem with that. 993 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,479 Speaker 4: Ain't no problem. It ain't no problem with her asking 994 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,439 Speaker 4: ain't no problem to be saying no. So now what's 995 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 4: the next question? Where can we Why are you saying? 996 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 3: Why are you saying no? 997 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 2: Because because here's the thing. 998 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 3: Okay, give it to me. Why you saying no? 999 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 2: If I start you here, where do I go after here? 1000 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 3: That ain't necessarily true? 1001 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,360 Speaker 2: It is? What's it? What's it? What's watching? 1002 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 3: Man? 1003 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: I gotta give you youngster's game, y'all. Ain't got no 1004 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: game here it is? You can say there easily. Okay, 1005 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: baby girl, I'm finna take you to this place you 1006 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: want to, but I'm finna let you know this place 1007 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: is so mad expensive. I'm doing it because I want 1008 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: to press you to let you know that I got 1009 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: you home. Let me finish I got you. But I 1010 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: ain't gonna be able to do this all the time. 1011 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: And make a joke out of it. Make it light, 1012 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: keep it cool, keep it fun, because see, let me 1013 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,479 Speaker 1: tell you what. Let me tell what. Win's a woman 1014 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: every time they could have laughed, make a joking and 1015 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: make it make it like, man, have you ever seen 1016 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: the ugliest dude with the prettiest chick? 1017 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 3: Because she keep on laughing. 1018 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 6: You know I'm gonna love to laugh taking cause I 1019 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 6: ain't got the buddy. God, we've been going down here, 1020 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 6: going down here to chill is applething crazy. But that's 1021 00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,479 Speaker 6: the thing, you know. 1022 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,439 Speaker 3: That don't mean that. That don't mean that you're gonna 1023 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 3: want that every time. 1024 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 2: It don't We're. 1025 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 4: Not wired like that. You know what you once you 1026 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 4: get to, once you get established at a level. Now, 1027 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 4: if you got a let's just say, for the sake 1028 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 4: of argument, in nineteen ninety three, your first. 1029 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 2: Car is a rolls roy uh huh. 1030 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 4: You not going back down, You not laurering that going 1031 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 4: down from that, you moving up. 1032 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, first of all, I'm not stephen A, 1033 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 1: and so I'm I'm gonna gonna give you so much. 1034 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 3: I'm saying to you. 1035 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 6: That now you say that now you are the cop. 1036 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying to you that there is a way for 1037 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,839 Speaker 1: there to be both. Both things can happen at the 1038 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: same time. That it don't have to be black and 1039 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 1: white this way, black and white that way that. 1040 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 3: And then first of all, let me also say this. 1041 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 3: Let me also say this is I. 1042 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: Think that if you are taking a girl out and 1043 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: a girl is going out with a guy, that there's 1044 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: not even a relationship to be able to laugh and 1045 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,760 Speaker 1: play with it even. 1046 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,320 Speaker 3: In the process. 1047 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: Y'all ain't the ones for each other anyway, because the 1048 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,680 Speaker 1: best relationship is gonna make other ones are the friends. 1049 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 4: Oh okay, so what's the first question? So what's the 1050 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 4: first question I should ask on the date? 1051 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 2: Then? 1052 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to be the homie? Do you want 1053 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: to have fun? You want somebody that's got your bag, laugh, 1054 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,440 Speaker 1: have a good time? What you want to do? Let's 1055 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: let's let's walk in the park and start asking. But 1056 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: the problem is is men we're so armored by the 1057 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: physical nature of a woman that we don't even start 1058 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: asking nothing else. We're just looking at the booty, We're 1059 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: looking at the breast, We're looking at a neck, We're 1060 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 1: looking at our feet, we're looking at that, looking at feet. 1061 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 3: It's I'm looking at feet. I'm looking at feet. 1062 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question, because here's the 1063 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 4: old question dating to get married? 1064 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 2: So do we go? Do you go on a date 1065 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 2: to get married? 1066 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 5: Or you? 1067 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 2: What do you Because I. 1068 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: Don't believe in that, as much as I know that 1069 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Christians push that narrative, is I don't 1070 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: see see, I don't believe that marriage has to be 1071 00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: the sum total of a person's existence. 1072 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 3: I don't believe that. 1073 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 2: That's that seems to be the overwhelming Yeah. 1074 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's unfortunate. It's because, first of all, 1075 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: about sheer numbers. There's gonna be many, many beautiful women 1076 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: that will never get married. Just on the sheer numbers, 1077 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,240 Speaker 1: there's more women than men. So if we make humans 1078 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: feel like that that that that you're some total of 1079 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: purpose and existence is in the space of a marriage, 1080 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: then we fail all of the beautiful people that that 1081 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 1: that that that will be single, that are single, that 1082 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 1: God can't use them, that there's no purpose for their 1083 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 1: life and that there's no plant, and that they can't 1084 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: live fulfilled lives. Right, So you can be able to 1085 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: date and still put parameters on if you want to 1086 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: be active or not, how much you want to give 1087 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,720 Speaker 1: of yourself, so you can be able to still enjoy 1088 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: beautiful relationships. And it doesn't mean that you've got to 1089 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,359 Speaker 1: be walking out of your mind. 1090 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 3: Marriage. Marriage marriage is because not getting married is. 1091 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 2: Not a sin. 1092 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: Oh okay, it ain't a sin, right, And so we 1093 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 1: got to stop making everything black and white. Marriage is 1094 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: not on the same level as salvation, and so you 1095 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: got to be able to have friends with people, and 1096 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: you can be able to establish the boundaries of what 1097 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: the friendship needs to look like, how far it needs 1098 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: to go before it crosses over. And if something beautiful 1099 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: turns out of that, that turns into a marriage. 1100 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. 1101 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: Marriage can be a beautiful thing, but it's not the 1102 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 1: sum total of a person's existence. 1103 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 4: But let me ask your question this open marriage. Can 1104 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 4: a marriage survive with openness? 1105 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: It's I don't know why a person would want to 1106 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: be married. Then just don't be married, Just don't be married, 1107 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: Just just just be just be other, be something other. 1108 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, I think that the 1109 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: social constructs before it's almost like what it's almost like 1110 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 1: our generation Shan. If you are a thirty year old 1111 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: woman even to this now, if you a thirty year 1112 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: old woman still single and you go to the family union, 1113 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 1: all the old ladies are gonna pressure. 1114 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 2: You girl, why you ain't married? Where your man? 1115 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,799 Speaker 1: Where your All of these social concerts that we put 1116 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: the pressure on people for things that they may not 1117 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,919 Speaker 1: be ready for. And that does not make them wrong, right, 1118 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 1: that just makes them not you. 1119 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 4: Right, Steve, I have Steve on the show, and he said, 1120 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 4: blending families are hard, extremely hard. Now it might look 1121 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,800 Speaker 4: good on a postcard and everybody might paint a rosy pinion, 1122 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 4: but it's not easy. 1123 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 2: Your situation. I think you have a step daughter. 1124 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 3: No, I don't have a step daughter. I have a daughter. 1125 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 2: You have a daughter. 1126 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 3: I have a daughter. 1127 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,720 Speaker 2: That's how you that's he address you as such, and you. 1128 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 3: Hell, yes, that's my daughter. Wow. And I put hands 1129 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 3: on anybody to say something. That's my daughter. I fought 1130 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,319 Speaker 3: for her. That's my daughter. She leave. 1131 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 4: No, you literally fault you went and you're like, hey, 1132 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,279 Speaker 4: no society favorites, because that's gonna be. 1133 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 3: My That's what I did. That's what I did. I 1134 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 3: pulled up. I pulled up twenty six years old. I 1135 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 3: pulled up. That's my baby. 1136 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: That is my baby. That is my little sandy head baby. 1137 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: She's thirty, she's thirty four years old now and still 1138 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,320 Speaker 1: my baby, Still my baby. She has an incredible husband, 1139 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,320 Speaker 1: credible I'm a I'm a granddaddy. But that's my baby. 1140 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,920 Speaker 1: I legally changed her name. I adopted her. That that 1141 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: is my daughter. Ain't there's no step carry on, Tammy. 1142 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: It's a mama to carry on, Tammy. It's incredible, mama 1143 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: to carry on? Oh man, Tammy, Man, Tim Tammy is 1144 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 1: an angel of a mama girl. 1145 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 3: Let me tell something. Ain't no better mama on the planet, 1146 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 3: Tammy Franklin. 1147 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 4: Oh oh, you mentioned that you suffer some addictions from 1148 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 4: your childhood, that you got love and you look for 1149 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 4: things in all the wrong places. Yeah, and it led 1150 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 4: you down a path as an adult that you're not 1151 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 4: proud of. 1152 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 3: You. 1153 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 2: You got therapy for it. 1154 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 4: How difficult was it for you to come to to 1155 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 4: share that. 1156 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 1: It wasn't difficult for me to talk about, you know, 1157 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: being promiscuous or childhod addictions to pornography, and you know, 1158 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: growing up as a young man trying to figure it 1159 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,560 Speaker 1: all out. None of that was hard for me. It's 1160 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,399 Speaker 1: not hard for me. It's not hard for. 1161 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 3: Me to talk as I heal, as I reveal. 1162 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you my junk is because that's 1163 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: what I think. 1164 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 3: That's what I think the message of the gospel is. 1165 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,720 Speaker 1: Man is I just don't understand these perfect stained glass 1166 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: window individuals that live thinking like like everybody that God 1167 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: used in the Bible. King David was a polygamist. We 1168 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: hear about him, you know, sleeping with Besheba. But before 1169 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: Besheba they even had many wives. Yes, Abraham, most of you, Solomon, 1170 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: all of these men that struggle, people that were liars 1171 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: and murderers and killers in the Bible that we now 1172 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: consider heroes. They are our heroes, but they were flooring people, 1173 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: you know what. They are heroes because we didn't have 1174 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: to live with them. The people that we live with 1175 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: we kill. 1176 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 4: M Wow, the Black will the Black Church? How does 1177 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,719 Speaker 4: the Black Church move forward? Because it seems like they 1178 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 4: wanted to be fifties sixties doctor King. 1179 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,919 Speaker 2: And I don't believe it's going to be that again. 1180 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 2: I don't believe it's going to be again. 1181 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, courage, Yeah, it's I don't know if the 1182 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: Black Church, uh, historically will ever be what the Black 1183 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: Church was. But I do believe that there's a room 1184 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: and a space for the church right. And I believe 1185 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: that the church can still be a beautiful place for healing, 1186 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: for conversations, and for community right. And I think that 1187 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,760 Speaker 1: there can be a place to also reaffirm and reaffirm 1188 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: and reinforce truth, loving, compassionate truth about Jesus being the 1189 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 1: savior of the world, and and and I and I 1190 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: think that more than ever before, the church also needs 1191 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: to also acknowledge the mistakes that it's made from slavery 1192 00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: from UH, from segregation from Jim Crow, even even social injustice, 1193 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 1: UH from from misogynistic messages, even the lack of compassion 1194 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 1: that we show people in the l g B t 1195 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: Q I A plus community. 1196 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,960 Speaker 3: That that that that that there's room at the cross 1197 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 3: for everybody. 1198 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 1: And I won't beat everybody down there because I'm the 1199 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,320 Speaker 1: first one need to be in line down there, and 1200 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: that's how I live my life. Ain't nobody gonna beat 1201 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: me down to the cross because I'm the first one 1202 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 1: in need of it. But there's room for everybody down there. 1203 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: Everybody can come down there and get that same. 1204 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on megachurches? 1205 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: Some of them become mega messes, you know, but then 1206 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: for some communities they become mega miracles. I think that 1207 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: that after COVID, we of course have seen another paradigm shift. 1208 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: Is because people are not filling up these churches anymore. 1209 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's all a bad thing. 1210 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: I think that this is a reset button for our 1211 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: species when it comes to faith and what the conversation 1212 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: of faith looks like moving forward. But I still believe 1213 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: in that unapologetic truth, right, And I think that people 1214 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: still wanted they They're tired of the games, they're tired 1215 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: of the gimmicks, they're tired of all the foolery. And 1216 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: I think that we've got to address those things. I 1217 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 1: do think, man, I do think that to be healthy, 1218 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,360 Speaker 1: you've got to acknowledge what you did wrong. 1219 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 4: You have a new album out, Father's Day is out 1220 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 4: in our debut number one on the Billboard Top Gospel 1221 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 4: Charts album making number your fourteenth number one here, what's 1222 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 4: next for Kirk Franklin. 1223 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea, and I'm 1224 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 3: cool with that. 1225 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: Like at fifty five, did you think that you would 1226 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: have had an explosion that you've had over the last 1227 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: five years of your career. No, Like Seana, I'm gonna 1228 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: keep it the buck with you because I don't know sports. 1229 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,040 Speaker 1: I did not know until people to me because I 1230 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,280 Speaker 1: was telling people that I was doing today, and you know, 1231 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,320 Speaker 1: and all the homes was going crazy. Everybody, mister Rick, 1232 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: everybody was like, whoa you know, because you know, you 1233 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,960 Speaker 1: know you're killing it and I know Stephen Smith, because 1234 00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's a he's a very kind guy. 1235 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 3: He's been on my podcasts. We see each other, show 1236 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 3: us love. 1237 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't know your career, but over 1238 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,720 Speaker 1: the last couple of years you all I see, Now, 1239 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,920 Speaker 1: how has it been for you seeing this, this this 1240 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 1: resurrection and explosion for you where your career has just 1241 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: changed in ways that you never could have even written 1242 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: in a book. 1243 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 2: I tell people this, even at my highest and my 1244 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 2: greatest NFL moment, it's not even a tenth of what 1245 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 2: it is right now. Wow, it's not even close. 1246 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 3: It's then comparable, and you can have seen this coming. 1247 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 4: No, And a lot of people have the same, you know, 1248 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 4: they ask They're like, well, how do you know so 1249 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 4: much about sports? Because I've transitioned very well into this profession. 1250 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 4: People have don't know or have forgotten that I played 1251 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 4: professional sports. 1252 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 3: Yah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And and what do you accredited. 1253 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,880 Speaker 2: To hard work? 1254 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,360 Speaker 4: Because I didn't want people to just I think I 1255 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,520 Speaker 4: was a job talking sports. I wanted people to think 1256 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 4: that I knew what I was talking about with sports, 1257 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 4: and they know that I put the time in and 1258 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 4: the effort and the work. That's the way my grandparents 1259 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 4: raised me, was the work, no matter what the job 1260 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 4: or how much they were paying you. Because you could 1261 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 4: do a job for five dollars. And he said, if 1262 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 4: you work hard, maybe he have a job for you 1263 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 4: for ten dollars. 1264 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Well, what was that one thing that your granddaddy said 1265 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,760 Speaker 1: to you back then that even now you're successful more 1266 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 1: than you ever dreamed that you can remember? 1267 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 4: Never mistaken habit for hard work. He say, boy, doing 1268 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 4: something over and overdo me, and you're working hard. And 1269 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 4: I never forgot that. And the knowledge that I use 1270 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 4: for people, I say, pee, you see people go to 1271 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,560 Speaker 4: the gym every single day and the body never change. 1272 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're going to the gym out of habit. 1273 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 2: They're not working hard. Yeah. 1274 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 4: And so I never forgot that. And so anything that 1275 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 4: I approach, I'm all in. I don't know how to multitask. 1276 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 4: I got a job, that's the most important job. I 1277 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 4: can't have five jobs. I need to have one job 1278 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 4: that I can kill, that I can back and knock 1279 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 4: it out of the park. Curry, I'm gonna ask you 1280 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 4: to do something that I've really never asked anybody to do. 1281 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,600 Speaker 4: I want you to close club Sha shay out to 1282 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,320 Speaker 4: day with a prayer. 1283 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: Wow, I'd be honest, is there anything specific that you've 1284 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: been seeing in the world or life that you think 1285 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: would be a beautiful thing to just even to even 1286 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: include in the prayer? Uh, like, what's been on your heart? 1287 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Lay it was, what's something that you've been burning with, 1288 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: something that you know, you know that you care about, 1289 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,640 Speaker 1: or something going on that you know you know that 1290 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 1: you think would be something beautiful for us to you know, 1291 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,000 Speaker 1: to you know, kind of call out. 1292 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 4: I've just been very appreciative and very thankful for the understanding, 1293 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:59,040 Speaker 4: the vision, the love that I received. You know, obviously 1294 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,280 Speaker 4: we've all everybody that's gonna watch this has had up 1295 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,440 Speaker 4: to downs. But I went through some things the last 1296 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 4: six months and that it like wow, and you just 1297 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 4: didn't know. But I always and my sisters is very 1298 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,920 Speaker 4: religious and she's devout. She says, shall in God doesn't 1299 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 4: close the door what I have and went open for you. 1300 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 4: And she told me, she said, she sent me this passage. 1301 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,560 Speaker 4: She said, he said, God said that if you, if 1302 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 4: you stand for me, no one can. 1303 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 2: Stand against you. 1304 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, And. 1305 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 2: If I stand for you, yeah yeah yeah. 1306 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, good. It's good to scared it in Matt. 1307 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Father, thank you so much for being so kind to 1308 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 1: just too young, just two black men that have come 1309 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,960 Speaker 1: from different places, didn't have much, and we know it's 1310 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: because of your goodness. It ain't because of something so 1311 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,320 Speaker 1: great in us. It's just been because of your love. 1312 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,200 Speaker 1: And we want to say thank you. We want to 1313 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 1: say thank you that the things that could have killed 1314 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,160 Speaker 1: us and you allowed them to make us stronger. Lord, 1315 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: we don't always understand what you do. We know people 1316 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,160 Speaker 1: that should be sitting here that was smarter than us, 1317 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,960 Speaker 1: more talented than us, and Lord, we even want to 1318 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: pray for those people man, for them to not give 1319 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,720 Speaker 1: up on you, for them to believe that there's still 1320 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 1: a plan. 1321 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,440 Speaker 3: For their lives too. 1322 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,040 Speaker 1: If anybody listening who may feel that you've forgotten them, 1323 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 1: we know how that feels. And so God, I'm asking 1324 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: you that every son and daughter that's watching this right now, 1325 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: listening to this right now, that's going through something painful 1326 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,400 Speaker 1: and hurtful, I pray Lord that they will be reminded 1327 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,640 Speaker 1: that whether they go to church or not, whether they 1328 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,800 Speaker 1: believe in you or not, that you don't stop believing 1329 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,640 Speaker 1: in them just because they may not believe in you. 1330 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: I pray that you meet them where they are, that 1331 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,919 Speaker 1: this will be a moment in their bedroom and their car, 1332 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,720 Speaker 1: and their chaill Sell hospital bed wherever, that they will 1333 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 1: feel your love, and that love will be the door 1334 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,480 Speaker 1: for them to get to know you more. I don't 1335 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,640 Speaker 1: have all the answers, and I don't know all that 1336 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,080 Speaker 1: you do, but I've seen you do great things, and 1337 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: I believe you will do continue to do great things, 1338 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 1: like forgiving me and my mistakes and giving me a 1339 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: chance after chance, even when I don't deserve it. I 1340 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: keep praying for my brother right now, and I keep 1341 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,880 Speaker 1: praying that you just keep opening up doors. 1342 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,560 Speaker 3: Let him be a billboard. If it had not been 1343 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 3: for your goodness, he don't know where he'd be. 1344 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 1: Pray for this country, all the people that are going through, 1345 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 1: people that are facing hard times. 1346 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,080 Speaker 3: Let us know that joy cometh. 1347 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 2: In the morning. 1348 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,720 Speaker 3: And your name Jesus, I pray aymen. 1349 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,280 Speaker 4: He said, if you kneel before me, I'll stand for you. 1350 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,560 Speaker 4: And if I stand for you, no one can stand 1351 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,000 Speaker 4: against you. 1352 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 3: All my life, running, all my life. 1353 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,040 Speaker 5: Sacrifice, hustle, price, wanta slice, got to brow the dice, 1354 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,720 Speaker 5: the squad, all my life. I'll been grinding all my life. 1355 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,400 Speaker 5: Look all my life, and grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, 1356 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,680 Speaker 5: play the price. Want a slice, Got to brow the dice, 1357 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 5: the swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life. 1358 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 1: M