1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: The Manowa Caves is intended for mature audiences. It contains 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: strong language and depictions of bullying, violence, and sexual assault 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: that some may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. Also, 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: this is an extremely immersive experience and headphones are recommended. 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Manawat Caves, a production of iHeartRadio, 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Blumhouse Television, and Psycopia Pictures. J August fifth. I woke 7 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: up in the pool of my own sweat this morning. 8 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: It was three thirty three am, exactly three thirty three. 9 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: The hotel room was sweltering. The acunit had been blown 10 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: out in hot air all night. I took my mind 11 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: a minute to catch up to where I was, to 12 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: realize that I wasn't still back in my New York apartment, 13 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: that I was back home. I thought this had all 14 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: just been an elaborate dream. But it wasn't a dream. 15 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: I had to listen back to my tape, the recordings 16 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: from yesterday, to find out where I'd been and what 17 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I'd done. And his biological father was Deacon Hadley. There 18 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: is if you remember what the detective was looking for 19 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: when he stopped by that last time back in July 20 00:01:51,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven containers records. I hopped in the shower. 21 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: The school off water was ice cold, never got hot, 22 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: And as soon as I stepped into that cold shower, 23 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: the nightmare came back to me. There were bats, thousands 24 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: of bats, shifting blotches against other shades of darkness, a cavern, 25 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: deep and strange. I was staring into the whirling black 26 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: on black. Then I heard deaconheading. He was calling out 27 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: further back in the void, I heard him crying. That's 28 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: how I followed the voice, straining to hear over the 29 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: cacophony of bats swirling around me, anguished please, for forgiveness. 30 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: Then he stopped, and all I heard was the flutter 31 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: and chirp in of those bats. They seemed to converge 32 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: around me, and then they exploded out worth the whole colony, 33 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of them, leaving the cave in a funnel, 34 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: carrying Thomas Hadley's final anguish cries with them across the forest, 35 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: over the ramshackle trailer homes and cabins, over the Chapel 36 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Wall River into Pottsville, all the way into my own bedroom. 37 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: And then suddenly I was back there in the house. 38 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: I grew up in my own bed, and the gray 39 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Man was there too, in the room with me, silhouetted 40 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: in the doorway. I couldn't move. He looked down upon me. 41 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Maybe he was able to the ground. Who else might 42 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: a going out to the caves that day? Someone always 43 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: knows something. I wanted to stand up for him, but 44 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: I couldn't. Not the time Deacon Hadley threw a couple 45 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: of warrant pists on his head from the second story bathroom, 46 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: and not the time Thomas Hadley locked him as a locker. 47 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: I wanted to stop it, but I knew it would 48 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: just make matters worse for me. This is why he 49 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: came home, isn't it. James Fancher's executions coming up in 50 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: your anguish too, Angel. There's no small thing to stand 51 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: up to a bully. When you do, you become the target. 52 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: I've been bullied quite a bit when I was a boy. 53 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: Wasn't until I befriended Tyler Wilson in the ninth grade 54 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: that had stopped. Tyler was from a different neck of 55 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: the woods. He was quiet and kept to himself, but 56 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: he was tough. No, the Hadley gang didn't want to 57 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: fuck with Tyler. It was too much trouble. They might 58 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: actually have to fight, and they knew Tyler would fight 59 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: for real. But after my battle on the bus with 60 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: Duley Tapper trying to stand up for Finch, the bullying 61 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: started again for me. I don't look who where's the pants? 62 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: I told you they was gay livers, didn't I you're 63 00:05:52,000 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: gonna get it in half? Faget. I don't even get that. 64 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: Next week, my dad had to pick me up from school. 65 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: He saw the Hadley gang laughing and throwing threats. As 66 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: I walked past, he comes, I fag it, you're gonna 67 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: get it soon or not. Fucker A time's coming, little 68 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: bitch scate. Yeah, I'm whip his ass and gain I'm 69 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: gonna whip your ass again. Those your friends not exactly 70 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: forget a dad best just to adoring on. Those are 71 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: Bobby Handley's kids. Yeah, it's it's not a big deal. 72 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: My dad ran the mechanic shop at the Hadley dealership 73 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: and it was no secret in our house that he 74 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: despised Bobby Hadley. H get messing with you again? What 75 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: this is? This is high school. It's it ain't like that, dad, Really, 76 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: those guys are just pricks. It's not worth the energy. 77 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: He was livid. Things were beyond his control. It was 78 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: less than a year since Mom died too. Anyway, A 79 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: couple of days later, I was reading in the library 80 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: during lunch. That's when they got me. I was sitting 81 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: between the rows of bookshelves in the back with Thomas, 82 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Deacon Dually and the rest of them. They cornered me. 83 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Thomas held me in a headlock. Due we hit my 84 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: face and box. That wasn't so bad, but then Deacon 85 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: gotta para scissors off the librarian's desk. They pulled my 86 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: pants down to my ankles. Hey what He scissored the 87 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: blades in front of my face to show them off, 88 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: before he pressed a cold, sharp metal blades against my bass. 89 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: What are you anyway? Boy or a bitch? Hey? You 90 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: know what? I'll tell you what a man? Maybe name 91 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: send me? He's such a pussy, Just get off. Then 92 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: he grabs stress full of my hair and it was loan. 93 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: Then he scissored it off and tossed it on the carpet. 94 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Just then the library mother came back in and put 95 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: mencim Thomas and the rest of them all bring off. 96 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: Was laughing there were a few other kids in the 97 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: library who did nothing but gawk at me while I 98 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: pulled my pants back up. Well, my father picked me 99 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: up that afternoon. He saw my hair and my swollen face, 100 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: and there was no deny at it anymore. His son 101 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: was the target of the town police, and there was 102 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: nothing he could do. August fifth, on my way to 103 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: meet Joe Campbell again, up the road, halfway to Nashville. 104 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm late. I can't seem to wake up all the way. 105 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: She just stopped at the Myrtles for a coffee. It's 106 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: a little diner we used to go to when I 107 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: was a Kid's still standing. Not so sure about missus 108 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: Myrtle though. I feel like a ghost in this town. 109 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: Lots of familiar faces from my past, everyone older and heavier. 110 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: They make eye contact with me and their real spin. 111 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Some recognize me of familiar face registers in their mind, 112 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: but they can't quite place me, so they stare. Others 113 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: remember me, and I'm guessing by their looks. You recall 114 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: certain feelings, feelings associated with the Hadley Brothers murders, especially now. 115 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: You can feel the energy just driving through town. James Fincher, 116 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: the monster and Man of war County is going to 117 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: be put to death next week, and that seems to 118 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: inform every interaction. It's an added tension that's come with 119 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: this fog, the air tingling like a mom on a 120 00:10:46,120 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: timer tick tick boom, a county judge ordered, and no 121 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: knock worn on the trailer that James Fincher shared with 122 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: his sister Dina, and Buck's elder lane over in splinter gap, 123 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: you can see from the only available footage a state 124 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: trooper's body camp, that it's complete chaos, with county and 125 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: state officials working in tandem and flooded in the small 126 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: space with light and the noise and the terror. At 127 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, Dina's face seemed briefly mouth 128 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: opened to scream, hair swept across her face as she 129 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: spirited out. Bally swollen with child tells the tale. In 130 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: the motion blur, you can see a streak of red 131 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: a nose bleed. What's perhaps more chun is how calmly 132 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: we see Finch rise from the couch that he slept on, 133 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: hands up, eyes dead, mouth a grim line, and then 134 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: slowly turned and sink to his knees like it was inevitable, 135 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: like he knew they were coming, like he always knew 136 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: that they would come for him. Eventually, he was brought 137 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: to the county jail in the middle of the night, 138 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: and the town at large was completely unaware of the developments. 139 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Even Detective Silomon Smith was left in the dark and 140 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: would have remained so if he didn't decide to pay 141 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: the Fincher home and visit himself two days later to 142 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: find broken windows and a very terrified Dina trying to 143 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: put things back in order. Jill Campbell explained it best. 144 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: That's per usual. People have a complicated relationship with the 145 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: law out here. People here liked to be left alone. 146 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: Think what happens behind closed doors are on their property 147 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: is their business and theirs alone. I mean, most of 148 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it is a run of the male constitutional rights and 149 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,359 Speaker 1: individual freedom stuff. Deah, my dad, it was that way. Yeah, 150 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: well most people are. Then you got your griff Washingtons, 151 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: the dog fighting rings, the meth cooks, the real criminal element, 152 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: people who have something to hide. But Buddy, there ain't 153 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: nothing that changes the patriots mind about authority like an 154 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: outsider coming in and making trouble. L Finch, I'm talking 155 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: about Detective Smith. Now, I don't want to say it 156 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: was a race thing. But it was absolutely a race thing. 157 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean by default. Look, Share Hooper, born and raised 158 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: here all his life, getting ready to close this case 159 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: against a kid who allegedly murdered two of Mani Wak's 160 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: favorite sons, and the moment he announces it incomes some 161 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: former big city Atlanta cop to defend the alleged murderer. 162 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: At the time, I was caught up in all the excitement. 163 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: I was there at the raid. It was the most 164 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: badass thing I'd ever done. Didn't matter that Dana was 165 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: screaming or that James gave up without a fight. I 166 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: was young. I got to play hero. It didn't even 167 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: occur to me that we may have had shit wrong 168 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: until the article came out. The article What an article? 169 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: Detective Smith went to the local press. A couple of 170 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: days later, a story printed about James Fincher with Solomon 171 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: owned records suggesting ulterior motives for the rest of Finch 172 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: no shit. Other publications picked it up to Smith publicly 173 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: called out the sheriff, the mayor, the reverend, basically torturing 174 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: every bridge he ever crossed in manu Wake County. What 175 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: was the last time you saw him Detective Smith. Well 176 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: after the news piece broke, I wrote with Hooper out 177 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: to the old fowl or place where Solomon was living 178 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: and had that go. Hooper made me wait on the porch. 179 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: There was a lot of shouting and then it got quiet, 180 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: and then and then Hooper came out. His face was 181 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: flushed and sweaty. He wouldn't make eye contact. He was 182 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: visibly mad as hell. Anyway, last I saw Solomon Smith 183 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: was as we were pulling out. He was standing on 184 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: the porch, hands on his hips, just to find as 185 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: hell to Hooper SAE what had happened. Hooper told Smith 186 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: he was no longer welcome and man of walk count 187 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: in that if he knew what was good for him, 188 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: he'd leave quietly. But I don't think Detective Smith left 189 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: because of Hooper. I think he knew who the killer 190 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: was before he disappeared. He was looking into the school 191 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: attendance records from Carter High. He was tracking whoever else 192 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: was absent from school that day. You think he would 193 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: have submitted those records as evidence had it not. If 194 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: it was after he was off the case. He couldn't 195 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: exactly trust the sheriff's office. He was basically a private investigator. 196 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: At that point, he'd set a meeting with James's defense attorney, 197 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: but he never showed up. So whatever Solomon Smith knew, 198 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: he took that intel with him to wherever it is 199 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: he went. Where was you last seen? I'm not sure 200 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: they found his car though, about a decade ago, just 201 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: north of here. I think I don't remember. Maybe I 202 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: can dig up the police report, or maybe you can 203 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: talk to the guys at the newspaper. August fifth, two 204 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: forty five pm. I took Joe's advice. I'm on my 205 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: way to the Pottsville Press to talk to a guy 206 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: named Ian Spanks, the editor in chief. Maybe Detective Smith 207 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: told the press something, something more than what they decided 208 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: to print. Mister Spinks, Julian Solace, mister Slace, come in. 209 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: You can call me Jolian. Looking a little rough around 210 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: the edge since the last time I saw you. The 211 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: last time, Yeah, I doubt you'd remember me. I was 212 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: just a facing the crowd the courthouse back then. You 213 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: were there for that. Okay, Well, thanks for seeing me. 214 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: How could I know? I'm hoping you'll be the skyline 215 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: I was Sunday's front page about James Fincher and the 216 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: fourteen year anniversary of the Heathy Brothers murders. Prodigal Son 217 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: returns right the wrongs he himself contributed to hell of 218 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: a story. Interested to see where it goes. Well, you're 219 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: not serious, I am. I think we can help each 220 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: other out here. Well, I just need the tapes. The tapes, 221 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: they're of interest in my research. The press interview with 222 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: Detective Smith from two thousand and seven. Oh oh, I 223 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: thought you were interested in the other ones. What's other ones? Well? 224 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: The ones are you? What are you talking about? This 225 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: is Sheriff Hooper's and tear gage of you. Can I 226 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: please go to the bathroom, sir? Just top more questions? 227 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: All right? So, okay, you're not in trouble yet, all right, Okay, 228 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: look at me. Yeah, what you say here now there's 229 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: just between you and me. Nobody's gonna find out. Nobody's 230 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: gonna be mad at you for saying what you know. 231 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's safe to say that you do 232 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: know things. Now. Earlier you said that James Fincher hated 233 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: the Hadley Brothers. Is that right? Well, yeah, but because 234 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: of what they did to his sister, what they did 235 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: to Dina but you weren't there for that, were you? No? 236 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: But yeah? Moving on, moving on the point is James 237 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: Fincher had it out for the Hadleys? Is that right now? 238 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: You really need to be straight with me, Son, Yes, sir, 239 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: you could say he hated them enough to want to 240 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: hurt them. Couldn't you that he wanted revenge? I couldn't 241 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: say all that was true. It's simply based Look at 242 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: these photos, Son, Look at him. Blunt forced trauma to 243 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: the head, multiple stab wounds. Hell, Deacon Hadley was bashed 244 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: so hard in the head that his left eyeball was 245 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: hanging out of his eye socket. Thomas's throat cut. Can 246 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: you imagine the type of hatred you would have to feel, Julian, 247 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: to relentlessly bash a human body to the point where 248 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: it is almost unrecognizable? Well? Can you, Son, I don't 249 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: need Can you defend the kind of person that could 250 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: do that? Could you feel this sort of hatred? Well? 251 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: I no, I don't know. I need to go to 252 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: the bathroom. But do you know that James Fincher hated them? 253 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: Don't you? You can say that? I need you to 254 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: say that. Say what what you want me to say? Say? 255 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: What that James Fincher hated them, that he wanted to 256 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: hurt them now, that he wanted revenge, that he obsessed 257 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: over them. He made up stories about them to wreck 258 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: their lives. Didn't That's just not true. No, he didn't. 259 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: He did. You know he did? He didn't just because 260 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: they picked on him. No, he didn't. Julian, have you 261 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: heard the phrase accessory after the fact? It means that 262 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: if you know something, something crucial to my investigation of 263 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: the murder of Thomas and Deacon Hadley, and you withhold it, well, 264 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: then you're guilty too. And I think you know something, boy, 265 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: And if you don't tell me now and I find 266 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: out later, there ain't no jury in the world gonna 267 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: let you be free. I don't. They always used to 268 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: bully in And he knew it too, didn't you. You 269 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: knew what he was planning because you boys were going 270 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: down there at the caves all the time. Hell, you 271 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: showed him the place yourself, didn't you. I didn't. You 272 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: didn't what, Julian? You showed James Fincher the ins and 273 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: outs of it. And that's okay, son, There's nothing wrong 274 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: with that. Everybody likes a little frill I'm not suggesting 275 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: you knew that you were dealing with a psychopath, did you? 276 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: You're not a bad kid he used you, didn't he No, 277 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: he got in your head, he tricked you. No, no 278 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: he didn't. He could plan no revenge, No, no, I 279 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: just we went there to hang out. We were just 280 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't the Hadley's idea to go down there that night, 281 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: was it? No? Because if they wanted to hurt James, 282 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: they do it right out in the open, right, They've 283 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: been doing it for years. But James wanted to play 284 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: for keeps and he knew just the place. James wanted 285 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: to take them out to the caves. That now, you 286 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: better tell me the truth, son. You know we got 287 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: your buddy Tyler here too, right. Oh yeah, yeah, he's 288 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: right across the hall, and he's already told us the truth. 289 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: So what's it going to be your story or his? Now? Talk? 290 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: James Fincher wanted to take them out to the caves, 291 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: didn't he answer me? Maybe? Yeah? I guess what? What? 292 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: What's that? Yeah? I didn't get that James Fincher had 293 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: the idea to bring the boys down there. Yes, yeah, yes? 294 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Did you hear him when he suggested they go down 295 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: there and settle the score once and for all. Where 296 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: is he? Where is my son? Oh? Shit, now, Paul, 297 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: you know you can't be in here. What the fuck up? 298 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: This is between me and my boy? What did you say? 299 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: What did you tell off? When I ask you a question? 300 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: What did you say? Hi, Paul, that's domestic confused. I'm 301 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: gonna rest your ass too. Now you better call the 302 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: fuck you better back the fuck off. You understand me. 303 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: This is between me and hand easy. I got a feeling. 304 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: I got a feeling. We're on the same side here. Anyway, 305 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: sit down out to speak a little louder Son, right 306 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: into the mic. There, go on, Son, unburden yourself James 307 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: and sure, absolutely and without any doubt, go on. Now 308 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: murder TKT and Thomas Hadley in those games. There you go, Son, 309 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: You've done the right thing. You know that that wasn't 310 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: the real story. Well it certainly helped get James Fincher 311 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: the death sense, didn't you, But it wasn't the truth 312 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: that was coerced. Well I don't doubt that. What was 313 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: the truth? Then you might if I here record, I'd 314 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: rather you not. This could really help your case. I 315 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: mean having a news story out there, you never know 316 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: who might come for. Do you think that could work? 317 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what was the truth? What truth about James 318 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: Fincher telling the Head Brothers to meet him at the caves? 319 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: He wouldn't have off the record, Okay, off the record? 320 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: Why not? Because he wouldn't have. And why did you 321 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: say he did? Just listen, he didn't kill him? Okay, 322 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: Well it sounds like you know something. No, Detective Smith 323 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: knew something, which is why I'm here. He was onto 324 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: something and this paper interviewed him before he disappeared. He 325 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: was following up on a lead, which I am kind 326 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: of lead, that kind of lead that would exonerate James 327 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: Fincher and then lo and behold he vanished, fucking gone. 328 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: His car found somewhere just north of town. Did you 329 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: guys run a story on that. I'd have to look 330 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: into the archives. Yeah, you do that. In dig up 331 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: that interview with Smith and their information, you can about 332 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: his involvement with to have the murder case from two 333 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, and I'll give you an interview, how 334 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: about that on the record, you bet? And while you're 335 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: at and find out where they found miss Carr, will you, 336 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: you have myself. The truth is, I don't remember James 337 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: asking to have the brothers to meet him up at 338 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: the case. It doesn't make any sense. I knew Finch 339 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: better than anyone in the world outside of Dina. Maybe 340 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: he was my friend, him and Tyler and him asking 341 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: Tacon and Thomas to go out to the caves alone. Nah, 342 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what happened that night. I never 343 00:27:41,880 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: thought that's what happened. When you think of the fairytale 344 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: version of Appalachia, my early childhood was pretty much. It 345 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: would smoke and gray blue winter mornings, trumping with my 346 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: father and the snow to see the icicles hanging off 347 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: the eaves of our little home. Apple picking and drives 348 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: to look at leaves changing in the fall, Tomato sandwiches 349 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: the swimming hole, and roadside boiled peanuts in the summer. 350 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: Dad worked for Hadley Pontiac. He tolerated the job because 351 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: he loved my mother, and when I came along, I'd 352 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: like to think he loved me too. I could never 353 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: really tell. When I was young, he was a little 354 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: hard on me. When I was eighteen, my mother died. 355 00:28:53,320 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: Of course, everything changed. When my mother died a family 356 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: is like a mobile danglet from the ceiling. It's a 357 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: balancing act. You never have any idea how much a 358 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 1: single person can hold together a family until they are 359 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: no longer in the position to do so. She got sick. 360 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: It was sudden stage four sophageal cancer. After the test, 361 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: they gave her four months. She lasted three the end. 362 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: It was horrible. When she went, she took the best 363 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: parts of my father with her, and the Idella claugh 364 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: we shared. Dad started drinking again. Of course, I know 365 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: what you're thinking. You're thinking that because of his drink, 366 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: and he faded into the background or neglected me. Nope, 367 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: not my father. He wasn't a neglectful absent your father. 368 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: He watched me closer, became increasingly obsessed with my safety, 369 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: micromanage my existence. Always wanted to know my eggs whereabouts, 370 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: wanted precise details about where I was going and with whom. 371 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: Wanted me home immediately after school every day, and would 372 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: go bat shit when I didn't. He hated my friends, 373 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: called Tyler common trash, which of course made me want 374 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: to spend more time away from home, more time in 375 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: the woods with Tyler. I only wanted to escape my 376 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: childhood and the house that felt forever empty and haunted 377 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: after my mother's death. And that's when he became violent 378 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: when I started lying once I told him I was 379 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: going with the debate team to a nearby town for 380 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: a tournament. Instead, I set out to the caves with Tyler. 381 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: There were lights in the rear view following us out 382 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: past the edge of town. I thought maybe Griff Washington 383 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: was patrolling his property, maybe following us to make sure 384 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: we didn't trust pass. But when we pulled over for gas, 385 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: hoping whoever was following us would pass on by, they didn't. 386 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: They pulled in right behind us. Turned out as my father. 387 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: He had been tailing us. He dragged me by the 388 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: back of my neck out of Tyler's car and threw 389 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: me into his. When we got back home, he locked 390 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: me in the basement for twelve hours. It was only 391 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: a crawl space with a small cinder block room for 392 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: the furnace. I remember while I was locked down there, 393 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I found an old chest filled with my mother's clothes. 394 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: It was freezing, so I put him on. They almost 395 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: fit an old sweater and that scarf she was knitting 396 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: for me when she died. That red scarf. It was 397 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: that same week I met Finch. I know it was 398 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: that week because the first thing he said to me 399 00:31:44,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: was that he liked my red scarf. Wilson repair he Tyler's. Julian, Well, oh, Julie, 400 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: what a while with the pleasure. I know it's late. 401 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: I hate to pass to you, Grace and me with 402 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: your presence twice in forty eight hours. I mean, after 403 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: what fourteen fucking years radio silence? Oh well, I don't 404 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: mean to be caused. After a little visit to the cave, 405 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: I got to thinking about how you ain't changed. Bad man? 406 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: How's that you're one of those top pigle only ever 407 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: call when you need something? So go on? What can 408 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: I do for you now, Julian? Damn, Well, you got 409 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: me bagged. I guess I'm just I'm just fucking with 410 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: your man. Hell, none of my friends ever called me 411 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: anyway listening need something? Oh you've got friends? Oh high 412 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: fucking high. So what's a Well? I just um the 413 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: AC unit my piece of shit motel. I'd call maintenance, 414 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: but I don't want to deal with Did you check 415 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: the filter? No, I'm nine percent it's just a clock. 416 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: Pull the face off and take the filter out. You 417 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: can run it without for the night, but sooner or 418 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: later you should probably just come and take my spare 419 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: room like I told you. O. Man, I mean, well, 420 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: if my company's not good enough for wait second, you're 421 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: doing that thing? Yeah? Got you again? Listen. That isn't 422 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: the only reason I called I Else. I wanted to 423 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: say it was good to see you the other day. Man, 424 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: it's been way too long. I know, I know that. 425 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: I look you there. Can I ask you something? What? 426 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: Why'd you come back? What do you mean? I mean, Julian, 427 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: there is a lot you don't understand here. This is 428 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: bigger than bigger than what exactly I'm trying to help 429 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: you here, Julian, things are in a delicate balance, all right. 430 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: What what thinks my ass and reflux? What the fuck 431 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: you think I'm talking about? Man, you don't understand. Oh, 432 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I had to come back to what 433 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: you should resent to that earth. You're playing with fire here. 434 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: You have no idea what you're mess It's not just 435 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: for me. I'm trying to do the right thing here 436 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: for Fish. I'm trying to help him. Don't you think 437 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: I mind? He's on death row Tie's part to play 438 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: all right here, I'm gonna well, I'm not gonna sit 439 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: on my ass watching Jeffard and smoking cigarettes. Did you 440 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: know there were others other kids who were absent from 441 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: school that day other than Thomas and Deacon. What you know, Tyler? Tyler? Tyler, Tyler? 442 00:35:49,239 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Tyler? I lost you man? What 443 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: the hell? What the fuck? Fuck? H M A ghost 444 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: in the mirror. In the Hounds of Dancing The Manowat 445 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Salis, Eddie Gatheggie as 446 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, Nick Sercy 447 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Wellborn as Tyler Wilson, Jill 448 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Dooley Tappard, 449 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: Scott Poythress as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Deana Fincher, 450 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: Justin Matthews Smith as Paul Salace, Tara Oakes as Laura Salis, 451 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Kronovitch as Thomas Hadley, 452 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Bodie Walter Roth as 453 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Spinks, Larry Clark as 454 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: Bobby Hadley, Peyton Fallis as Ed le Blanc, Vic Polis Says, 455 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: William Fowler, Nick Dakosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy 456 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: as The Darkness, with additional performances by Clint McGown, Dina Dill, 457 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: Edward Howard, Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Manzalez, Christopher Curry, 458 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: Bailey Hyneman, David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by 459 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: Connell Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe 460 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: Cooper and Nicholas Dakaski featuring our theme song Killer Inside, 461 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: written produced and performed by Lear Lynn. Our executive producers 462 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: are Matt Frederick, Alexander Williams, Michael Monte, and Courtney Dufrees. 463 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television are Jeremy Gold, Chris Dickey, 464 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: and Noah Feinberg. Produced by Dan Bush, music by Ben Lovett. 465 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez, edited by Dan Bush, Chris Childs, 466 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound designed by Benjamin Malcolm. Dialogue, 467 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: editing and sound mixing by Wan Campus. Recorded at Studio 468 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: Awesome in Los Angeles, Sound by Studio in Atlanta and 469 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: Echo Mountain in Asheville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and 470 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: Meg Mormon. Our dialect coach is Linda Bassesti, Assistant director, 471 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: Michael Monte second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator 472 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: Sarah Klein. Supervising producer Josh Thine. Special thanks to Mary 473 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: Ellen and Jason Davis, Jonathan Deeter, and Joe Rickman. The 474 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: Manoel Caves is a production of iHeartRadio, Blumhouse Television, and 475 00:39:37,520 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: Psychopia Pictures.