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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Henderson, and yes we.

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Speaker 1: Are back with you to talk about movies and films.

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Speaker 2: What's happening, Well, you've got some weather happening.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, I might say, there could be a chance

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Speaker 1: that you will hear her a giant clap of thunder

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Speaker 1: at least once during this episode. There's a thunderstorm happening

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Speaker 1: right now as we're recording.

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Speaker 2: So how lovely, how natural.

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Speaker 1: Yes, my dog is actually shivering under the desk right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame you, Sophie. I don't blame you.

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Speaker 1: I know she actually was like a later in life

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Speaker 1: thunderstorm scaredy cat.

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Speaker 2: Look it.

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Speaker 3: Things weird things happen to us as we age. You

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Speaker 3: might be like like, you know what, I'll drive all day,

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Speaker 3: every day everywhere, and then you turn forwardy and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not driving at night.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I know, I know exactly. And she also hates car

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Speaker 1: washes too.

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Speaker 2: She just found out like the hard way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like I was like going through the

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Speaker 1: car wash and I'd be like, what's going on? Why

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Speaker 1: are you like curled up in a little ball with

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Speaker 1: like all your hackles up and shaking violently. It's like

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Speaker 1: it must be that car wash sound.

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Speaker 3: Who knows car washes are kind of a strange. It's

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Speaker 3: a very strange sensation and visual for dogs.

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Speaker 2: And the elderly.

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Speaker 3: Like I take my grandma through the car wash sometimes

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Speaker 3: and she's just like, huh, what why.

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Speaker 2: Why why are you taking me through this?

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Speaker 3: And too why It's like because because you know, car

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Speaker 3: washes now have like lights and colors, it's like a

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Speaker 3: fucking club in there.

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Speaker 1: I know it totally is Do you ever do you

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Speaker 1: have like friends that will make a car wash and

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Speaker 1: Instagram story where I'm like, come on real instantly forward.

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Speaker 2: I can't anymore.

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Speaker 3: The first time it was cool ten years ago, and

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Speaker 3: now I'm like no.

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Speaker 1: Unless Stathan comes through and punches you through the fucking

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Speaker 1: roof of your car, then I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Let's Cheff Chelios is on fucking fire walking down the

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Speaker 3: length of the car wash.

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Speaker 2: I want to see it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, they listen. They've got so many like

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Speaker 1: fucking pop ups these days. If they had a Chef

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Speaker 1: Cellios themed car wash in La I would move back

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Speaker 1: at the end of.

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Speaker 3: That's all it takes for you. I'd go if it back,

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Speaker 3: make it happen. Oh my goodness, I have a car

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Speaker 3: a little driving story. Oh do you want me to

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Speaker 3: tell you first? I'll tell you a little cute a

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Speaker 3: cute fact about my town.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Pepper these in for you. But the the mayor of

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Speaker 3: my town, Michael Newhart, also owns the gift shop in town,

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Speaker 3: and he has owned it for like decades, and all

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Speaker 3: of my friends worked there in high school, and it's

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Speaker 3: very sweet.

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Speaker 2: He's a very nice man.

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Speaker 1: That's a very Gilmore Girls esque scenario.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's a very cute little town.

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Speaker 3: So I had to go there to get a gift

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Speaker 3: for someone, and it was at night, and it was

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Speaker 3: before daylight Saving time, so it was dark at like,

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Speaker 3: you know, four point thirty. So I go and get

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Speaker 3: this this gift, and I'm driving home and I decide

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Speaker 3: to get dinner because I'm like, you know, I still

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Speaker 3: don't have a kitchen, Like I don't feel like eating

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Speaker 3: like you know, Ramen or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I can make my little toaster of it. And today,

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Speaker 2: like every once in a while, I'm just like I've

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I went to my local, one of the

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Speaker 3: local restaurants in town, and I got I ordered. I

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Speaker 3: ordered a salad, and they do this thing called a

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving role, which is like a turkey stuffing cranberry egg

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Speaker 3: roll almost, and it's delicious and I crave them and

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Speaker 2: So I go and place the order and I put

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Speaker 2: it in my car, and I have my mask on.

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Speaker 3: Of course, and I get home and I realize this

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Speaker 2: This is not what I ordered.

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Speaker 3: So I look in the bag and it's two burgers

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Speaker 3: and I was like, this is not a salad and

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Speaker 2: Roll at all.

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Speaker 3: So I well all the restaurant and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: But it's not the one that I called in.

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Speaker 3: And she says, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, like

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Speaker 3: we have your order here, and I said, well, I'll

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Speaker 2: I'll just drive the food back. So it's dark now,

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Speaker 2: pitch black.

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Speaker 3: I drive back, I get my order, and as I'm

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Speaker 3: driving down the street back to my house, I see

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Speaker 3: people walk their dogs at night.

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Speaker 2: I see this all the time.

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Speaker 3: And then the thing launches in front of my car

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Speaker 3: and it wasn't a dog.

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Speaker 2: It was a deer. Wow.

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Speaker 3: So I slam on the brakes and out loud to

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Speaker 2: No, I thought you were a dog.

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Speaker 1: You're a deer.

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Speaker 3: Like, what is it think gonna shame shift into a

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Speaker 1: This thing is like just stands up frontier when show

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Speaker 1: is like listen, I'm sorry, yeah, you know, don't set

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Speaker 1: up these high expectations for me. You know, I am

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Speaker 1: a deer and I and I hate to say that

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Speaker 1: expecting a dog. I'm a deer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like chewing grass.

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Speaker 3: And it looked at me and it was going real

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Speaker 3: slow because deer just run this joint and they know it, right,

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Speaker 3: And it was like what when you want like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: over the woods, so now we're here, like what And

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you throw apples at us all

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Speaker 2: Out, no, I thought you were a dog. You're a deer.

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Speaker 3: It felt like I was having like a senior moment

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Speaker 3: why is that my reaction? I see deer around here

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Speaker 3: all the time, But for some reason, like in the

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, dog, no, you're a deer?

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Speaker 1: What what?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: What would it have been like if it was a dog?

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Speaker 2: Was a dog?

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Speaker 1: Keep a movement, sir.

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Speaker 3: I know you're rights. We've talked about this. There are

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Speaker 3: laws to protect you. And I would have opened the

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Speaker 3: do you live, Let's go what do you need?

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Speaker 2: You need a ride?

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Speaker 1: Get in here, motherfucker, get on in.

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Speaker 2: I would have gotten out and pet the dog and

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's bold. Actually, that's a that's a bold move.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that right now.

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Speaker 3: I genuinely have friends who have been bitten because they

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Speaker 3: pet They were petting a strange dog, like in front

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've been bitten by a dog twice, twice

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Speaker 1: in my lifetime. Oh yeah, twice in my lifetime. Fucking sucked.

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Speaker 2: What was I work?

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Speaker 1: I got bit by a dog when I worked at

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Speaker 1: a thrift store. How the fuck does that happen? I

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Speaker 1: don't know?

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Speaker 2: Wait what that dog was like? This is too expensive?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it was like one of those jobs where

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Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, a little, tiny, little, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I was sitting in the arms of this lady

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Speaker 1: that was paying. I used to work at a thrift

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Speaker 1: so I can't move my arm normally to get the

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Speaker 1: the dog. Right, you have a transaction to me?

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, you can plans.

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Speaker 1: She's she did one of these things where she she

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Speaker 1: and her dog bit me. Damn yes, and then she

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what was her reaction?

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Speaker 1: She was like ooh, sorry, okay, I see you, thanks.

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Speaker 2: And was just dripping blood down here. Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And at the time, I mean I was young and stupid.

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Speaker 1: I was basically like, well, I guess my work is

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Speaker 1: gonna pay for me to go to the hospital. Hello.

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Speaker 1: They were like, oh, you had to clock out before

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Speaker 1: you go to the hospital. I was like, fuck you.

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Speaker 3: Like you have to clock out before you go to

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Speaker 3: the hospital is the most American phrase that exists today.

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Speaker 1: Motherfuckers. I'll never forget that shit. And I was like, truly,

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Speaker 1: I was like my days were numbered after that shit happened.

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Speaker 1: I was like, my way, I got bit by a

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Speaker 1: fucking dog. As Occupatial Hazard didn't even know that was

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Speaker 1: a was a thing.

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Speaker 3: You're like, let me see, do I want to risk

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Speaker 3: my safety and personal health for a tag sail?

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Speaker 2: Probably not.

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Speaker 1: So in my In my mind, you just like opening

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Speaker 1: a door to a stray dog on the side of

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Speaker 1: the road and you're like, come on it, I'll take

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Speaker 1: you home. Where are you going? You just need a

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Speaker 1: ride into the next town. You're going to dunkin Donuts?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? That's bold to me?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Where do you live? New Jersey? I could take

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Speaker 2: you New Jersey? How'd you get here? What was your day?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Are you here for the Apple Festival too? I should

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Speaker 1: have known.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just I get so nervous when I see

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Speaker 3: nice person and I would stop for you and pick

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Speaker 3: you up and you know, buy you a moocha, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of people will just like run.

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Speaker 2: You over and keep going, and I just get so nervous.

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Speaker 1: Raven Hi.

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Speaker 1: you have you have to be pretty cool, like honestly,

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Speaker 2: You have to revisit films so you can do your

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Speaker 4: I really like stop motion animation movies. There's some of

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Speaker 2: Nice. That's a service. Oh that's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really cool that you you just kind

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Another one of my favorite movies

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I love Cryon so much, and I always said

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Speaker 3: You could do so many different things, especially if you're

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Speaker 2: I'm a professional writer.

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Speaker 4: I throw it out. I just never I just stopped writing.

449
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Speaker 3: Okay, enough, return to it exactly.

450
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is so exciting.

451
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Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna try to send you a little

452
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Speaker 3: a little present. So now now we know what some

453
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Speaker 3: of the hobbies are, then we can we can really

454
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Speaker 3: dig in and get you some fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much like we truly are.

457
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Speaker 3: Just so so happy every time we hear that you

458
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Speaker 3: listen to the podcast and that you like it, And

459
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Speaker 3: we were definitely I don't know, a million hour kind

460
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Speaker 3: of weird teens and wish we had kind of people

461
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Speaker 3: like us to listen to.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can reach out to us anytime.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I swear if my parents liked movies at all,

464
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Speaker 1: I'd probably be like a different person. You're so lucky

465
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Speaker 1: to have such a cool dad and a cool family

466
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Speaker 1: that supports what you do. So we're so excited. Do

467
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Speaker 1: you want to hang out while we read this letter

468
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Speaker 1: that we got from one of our listeners and maybe

469
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Speaker 1: your dad can answer it a little bit, or at

470
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Speaker 1: least we can talk about it. Will you hang out

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Speaker 1: for that?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Awesome?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 1: Well, Brian, So we obviously brought you in as an

476
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Speaker 1: expert on this because we got this letter from one

477
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Speaker 1: of our listeners about I think it's about physical media, Danel,

478
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Speaker 1: do you want to read it?

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Speaker 2: I would be happy to cool.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Danielle and Millie love the podcast. Thank you for

481
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Speaker 3: your brilliant movie analysis and your fun conversations. So this

482
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Speaker 3: might be a big question, but I've always wanted to

483
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Speaker 3: ask it, and more specifically, I wanted to ask a

484
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Speaker 3: film person, and now that I know two cool ones,

485
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Speaker 3: here it goes, why are people telling us that you

486
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Speaker 3: should own DVDs?

487
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Speaker 2: Again?

488
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Speaker 3: It feels like people on Twitter are always yelling about

489
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Speaker 3: physical media forever and how we should support video stores,

490
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Speaker 3: though I'm not sure there's even one left where I live.

491
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Speaker 3: But I'm curious as to why I feel like I'm

492
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Speaker 3: able to grab most things I want to see on

493
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Speaker 3: the streaming sites, even though I know it's a very

494
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Speaker 3: clunky process. I end up having to check a bunch

495
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Speaker 3: of different places, which I totally get is a stupidly

496
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Speaker 3: time consuming and activity. Yes, I wasn't sure if it

497
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Speaker 3: was something like the vinyl resurgence where people just have

498
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Speaker 3: a nostalgia for it and like to collect things, or

499
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Speaker 3: if it was something else. It feels like there's an

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Speaker 3: urgency to the DVD or Blu ray thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like.

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Speaker 3: That's the case with records anyway. Any insight into this

503
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Speaker 3: would be so great. Thank you for making the most

504
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Speaker 3: consistently interesting podcast out there right now. XO JB.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a big question, for sure, That is a

506
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Speaker 1: very big question.

507
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Speaker 3: And I'm glad that since since JB wants to talk

508
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Speaker 3: to a film person about this, I feel like between

509
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Speaker 3: you and Brian, we have the exact right people to

510
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Speaker 3: discuss this question.

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Speaker 1: I hope. I mean, honestly, I think all of us

512
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Speaker 1: can can weigh in on the on this question because

513
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Speaker 1: we were I think we are all around the same age,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, roughly, so we kind of grew up in

515
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Speaker 1: that culture and like the video store home you know,

516
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Speaker 1: home video culture, right, Brian? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I worked in video stores myself for about ten years,

518
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Speaker 5: so big, big part of my life, even before I

519
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Speaker 5: was going Before that, I was going to them, but

520
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Speaker 5: then working at them.

521
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Speaker 1: Just became my gig. So yeah, big big deal to me. Yeah. Well,

522
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Speaker 1: and I so I guess you know first and foremost,

523
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you host a podcast that's all

524
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Speaker 1: about physical media, right, so you're obviously an expert on

525
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Speaker 1: what's coming out and what's out already. So what maybe

526
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Speaker 1: we can break this question down in a part, so

527
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Speaker 1: like why should you own physical media? Or like what

528
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Speaker 1: is your your case for owning physical media?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've got like I mean, I broke I'm sure

530
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Speaker 5: you could break it down into more than these reasons,

531
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Speaker 5: but I broke it down into three main reasons that

532
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Speaker 5: I can think of, the first being that there's so

533
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Speaker 5: many movies, as you guys know, out there that have

534
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Speaker 5: been made throughout the history of film, and when you

535
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Speaker 5: think about it, the amount of them that are available

536
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Speaker 5: streaming is actually really really small considering how many have

537
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Speaker 5: been made. But you know, I understand the question being.

538
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Speaker 5: You know that this person says they can find whatever

539
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Speaker 5: they're looking for if they move around, so fair enough.

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Speaker 5: But I guess for me, I am always kind of

541
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Speaker 5: looking for more. I want to see something I haven't

542
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Speaker 5: seen and something older that I haven't seen, and sometimes

543
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Speaker 5: I don't want and this is going to sound like

544
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Speaker 5: I don't know what, but I don't want. Basically, I

545
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Speaker 5: don't want corporations to dictate to me this is what

546
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Speaker 5: you can see, because this is what we're going to

547
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Speaker 5: make available to you right now. And I know it's

548
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Speaker 5: not as quite as cut and dried in that, but

549
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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it is a lot

550
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Speaker 5: about that. And so what you end up getting with

551
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Speaker 5: physical media is you have these boutique labels, these small

552
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Speaker 5: companies that license the rights to the movies so that

553
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Speaker 5: they can put them out on Blu Ray. They pay

554
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Speaker 5: a fee to whatever studio or rights holder so they

555
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Speaker 5: can put it out. And often these are movies that

556
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Speaker 5: these studios or rights holders don't care about because they

557
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Speaker 5: haven't put them out themselves. So if not for these

558
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Speaker 5: boutique labels, these movies would just disappear from the conversation.

559
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Speaker 5: I think that for me is a big deal. Like

560
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Speaker 5: I don't think that movies should disappear from the conversation.

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Speaker 5: I really want as many movies as possible to be

562
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Speaker 5: available for people to discover, because that movie that you

563
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Speaker 5: haven't seen might be your favorite movie you just don't

564
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Speaker 5: know because you haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 3: I completely agree, and we've had that happen even recently.

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Speaker 3: We had that happened where one of the movies I

567
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Speaker 3: wanted to showcase was Amrika and it was available streaming

568
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Speaker 3: when I picked it for the show, and then when

569
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Speaker 3: we went in to record, it was gone from everywhere.

570
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Speaker 3: And it's like, well, this is a great film. People

571
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Speaker 3: to see it, but if they don't have the disc

572
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Speaker 3: then we can't necessarily always recommend that movie on the podcast.

573
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Speaker 3: So it's kind of strange that you know, these movies

574
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Speaker 3: that I love and feel like should be part of

575
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Speaker 3: the conversation are essentially disappearing because of a distribution issue

576
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Speaker 3: or because, like you said, at the whim of a corporation,

577
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Speaker 3: they just decide we shouldn't be able to see it anymore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's unfortunate, and it's really frustrating when you're

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Speaker 5: trying to share, like you're saying, Daniel, a specific movie,

580
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Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, it's gone. You can't check it out,

581
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Speaker 5: and you have no control over that, you know. And

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Speaker 5: I get what people are also saying about video stores. Yes,

583
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Speaker 5: there are not many video stores left. That's unfortunate. But

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Speaker 5: what is around, and what I do recommend is that

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Speaker 5: people go to their local libraries because they are basically

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Speaker 5: what we have left. They they definitely curate physical media

587
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Speaker 5: through the library systems. You can get stuff from other

588
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Speaker 5: librarries sent in. So I think, yes, there are no

589
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Speaker 5: video stores, but libraries are a great resource for physical media,

590
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Speaker 5: so it's not totally gone, and they're you know, relatively cheap,

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Speaker 5: probably cheaper than video stores were when in their heyday.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my library, I don't know about if every

594
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Speaker 3: library does this, but your library might often even order

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Speaker 3: something in for you. Like you said, they will borrow

596
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Speaker 3: from other libraries, so if it's not specifically on their shelf,

597
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: you can still often get it through through them. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, it's I think it's a great, great thing that

599
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 5: people have these and just I mean, who sometimes you

600
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Speaker 5: just don't as a as an adult, you don't go

601
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Speaker 5: to the library anymore. And I recommend going because it's

602
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 5: also just really fun to go and just browse the

603
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Speaker 5: shelves of books and DVDs and Blu rays.

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Speaker 1: It's just I really like libraries.

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Speaker 5: The two I'll be real quick about the two other

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Speaker 5: things that I recommend physical media for.

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Speaker 1: The second thing is you.

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Speaker 2: Don't have to its good, it's a good time.

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Speaker 5: The second thing is, you know, context is really important

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Speaker 5: with movies. I think a lot of times, and one

611
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Speaker 5: of the things that Blu rays offer and some streaming

612
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 5: sites do offer this Criterion channel for one, and a

613
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Speaker 5: few others make things like audio commentaries and interviews with

614
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Speaker 5: the filmmakers or with film scholars available to you to watch,

615
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: but a lot of them don't. So you watch a

616
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Speaker 5: movie and then you have no context for it, and

617
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 5: maybe you appreciate it, but sometimes having somebody talk to

618
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Speaker 5: you or listening to them talk about a movie and

619
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Speaker 5: talk about the history of it, talk about the actors,

620
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Speaker 5: talk about the difficulties that the actors or the director

621
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Speaker 5: went through, all kinds of things you can learn from

622
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Speaker 5: supplements that are included in these Blu rays. I think

623
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Speaker 5: that stuff's really important. And I know Raven's enjoyed seeing

624
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Speaker 5: behind the scenes stuff sometimes on her favorite movies, and

625
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Speaker 5: we didn't watch something on Fantastic Mister Fox or something

626
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Speaker 5: like that.

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Speaker 1: I think so that that's another one of our favorites.

628
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Speaker 5: But yeah, greatly, just getting to see people making the

629
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Speaker 5: movie also, I think gives you a connection to it.

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Speaker 1: That's a little different promotion.

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Speaker 4: Like a lot of oh sorry, a lot of like

632
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Speaker 4: a lot of LIKEAM movies, which is like the ones

633
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Speaker 4: that may stop motion animations like Fantastic Mister Fox, show

634
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Speaker 4: how they made them, and it's really really cool because

635
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Speaker 4: I just think it's so cool. Some motion animation is

636
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Speaker 4: really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, for people who want to know the process,

638
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Speaker 1: you know, getting to see that supplement, you know, is

639
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: so helpful. And you're right, a lot of time streaming

640
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Speaker 1: sites don't have this stuff, like they just they don't

641
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Speaker 1: have the bandwidth to carry the actual assets, but they

642
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: also like don't even a lot of times don't even care.

643
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Speaker 1: They think it's not important. So you know that's yeah,

644
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Speaker 1: you need the disk in order to get that stuff right.

645
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Speaker 3: And as someone who's like I'm definitely you know, I'm

646
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Speaker 3: thinking of you know, Raven. As someone who's interested in

647
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Speaker 3: stop motion animation, I wouldn't have the first clue of

648
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Speaker 3: where to start with how to make something on my own.

649
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Speaker 3: But if I see someone doing it and then I think, oh,

650
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Speaker 3: well that's how they do it, I can try it

651
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Speaker 3: at least, So it kind of encourages people who are

652
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Speaker 3: interested in deeper levels of film to kind of get

653
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Speaker 3: more involved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely, I know that.

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Speaker 5: She definitely I think, were you doing the stop motion

656
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Speaker 5: before or after we watched one of those? I can't

657
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Speaker 5: remember if that influenced You're not you remember?

658
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is just.

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Speaker 5: A minor point, but one thing that I do love

660
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Speaker 5: about supplements is that there's a lot of dudes that

661
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Speaker 5: talk about movies, as you guys well know certainly that

662
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Speaker 5: talks about movies myself, But I do love that criterion

663
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Speaker 5: and some of the other labels love to involve women

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Speaker 5: a lot. Some of my favorite commentators on Blu Rays

665
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Speaker 5: are people like Kat Ellinger and Sam Degan. These are

666
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Speaker 5: women who are incredibly educated and incredibly intelligent about film

667
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Speaker 5: and I think they always bring something new to me

668
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: and I just I get as much as I talk

669
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: to a lot of dudes on my shows, I love

670
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: to talk to women. I love to hear women talk

671
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: about movies, and I really do think that is one

672
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: of the benefits of these supplements is that they are

673
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 5: aware of that. And there's a lot of really really

674
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 5: you know, well seen ladies out there that can speak

675
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: to films in ways and from a different perspective than men,

676
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 5: and so I think that's really valuable as well.

677
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so smart.

678
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: I love I really love that. I think that, you know,

679
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: and not only do I agree with you, but I

680
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: think you're.

681
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: You're right in that.

682
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: It also kind of opens the door a little bit

683
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: for different types of analysis, either from the creators themselves

684
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: or from different types of people, and you know, it's

685
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: it's just a way to kind of keep more people

686
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: coming into the field. I think that that's an important

687
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: important point.

688
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, for sure, The last point I'll make, and

689
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: this is a minor one because this isn't that important

690
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: to a lot of people.

691
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: And I get it.

692
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: The audio visual quality of Blu rays and four k's

693
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 5: and and such is always going to be a little

694
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: bit higher than your streaming because you're always going to

695
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 5: be dealing with a bit of compression through your internet,

696
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 5: you know, speed, and you're never really going to know

697
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 5: what kind of quality you're going to be seeing. And

698
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: I get that is maybe the least important thing to

699
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 5: some folks. But you know, if audio visual quality is

700
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: important to Blu rays are the often the uncompressed, best looking,

701
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: best sounding version of a film that you're gonna get.

702
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 5: Even if you could find it streaming, it's not gonna

703
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 5: look quite as good. So that's, you know, kind of

704
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 5: a big deal too in some respects.

705
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Definitely definitely well, And like to JB's point about sort

706
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: of finding things and then you know, having to go

707
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of different directions in order to track

708
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: stuff down. Right, This is my eternal problem I think

709
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: with streaming is that it's very fractured, Like the the

710
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: problem I think right now is that there's not one

711
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: thing right. It used to be like Blockbuster would have

712
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: everything or something like that, or like you know, your

713
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: local video store would have pretty much everything you'd want

714
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: to see. But the in the world of dreaming, you know,

715
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot more fractured and a lot a

716
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of different players and not everybody has everything. And

717
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the problem, I think, and this is with Amrika. I

718
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: think this is what happened with Amrika. I don't know

719
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: the entire story, but I you know, I do know

720
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: a little but a little bit about rights because I

721
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: work in you know, I have to deal with rights.

722
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: All the time.

723
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: And first of all, rights for films are are always separate.

724
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: So just because something appears theatrically doesn't necessarily mean it's

725
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you can get a home video if it's on TV.

726
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it can you know, be on

727
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: the internet. I mean, it's very different. A lot of

728
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: times movies have different rights for different you know, territories too,

729
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's complicated. But when it comes down

730
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: to it, like a movie like Amrika, right or especially

731
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: independent distributed. You know, in a movie that's distributed independently

732
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: without the studios, right will sometimes appear on a site

733
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: like Amazon or appear on a site like Hulu or

734
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: something like that. But it's the window is small, or

735
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: a window could be two years, it could be six months,

736
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: it could be one month, and you don't know that

737
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: as it could be a week, it could be a week, right,

738
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: And so what ends up happening is that unless you

739
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: sort of do the research or fit or just know

740
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: when things are coming off the you know, the streaming sites,

741
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: a lot of times something that you would want to

742
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: see will go away randomly, and it's a bummer because

743
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this movie that I thought was online

744
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: is now not online. And it could be for a

745
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. It could be a contract window, it

746
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: could be like simply that the streaming service goes away

747
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: like it, you know, the business ends or something. And

748
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: so I think that that's why people are stressing the

749
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: importance of physical media, because when you have the actual product,

750
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't go away, right, and you have

751
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: an inner library and you can pull it down whenever

752
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: you want to see it, and if you're doing research

753
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: on something, you can access it, you can get all

754
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: the supplements. So I think that's kind of the urgency

755
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: issue when it comes to physical media. It's just that

756
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: people are afraid that movies are simply going to go away,

757
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: and we can't control that obviously, right, And.

758
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: That is part of the nostalgia as well. To kind

759
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: of dig more into the JV's question, is that, Yeah,

760
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: that is part of the urgency, but it's also you know,

761
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 3: if I really want to see a film and it's

762
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: nowhere to be found and I want to watch it

763
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: today and then I have to wait and order it

764
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: and wait weeks, and you know, it's just it kind

765
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: of helps with the nostalgia element if you have things

766
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: available when you're ready and willing and wanting to watch them.

767
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: So whenever a criterion has a sale, I always tell myself,

768
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 3: I have enough movies.

769
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm not buying anything else.

770
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: But I inevitably find ten other movies that I'm like,

771
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: you know what, I haven't seen that one in a while.

772
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: It's not on any streaming services, and I really want

773
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: to watch it. And so that kind of feels both

774
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: the nostalgia and the urgency to kind of have something

775
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: on your shelf that's ready for you when you're ready

776
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: to kind of engage with it.

777
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would I would say also the the

778
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: tactile nature of just holding it in your hand. Like

779
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 5: you guys, and you all remember going to the video store.

780
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: You pick up the cover of the VHS tape whatever,

781
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 5: flip it over, read the back, you know, study the

782
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 5: cover and make your decision. There's there's something about that

783
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 5: physical contact and the tactile nature that is just different

784
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 5: than flipping through a picture, even if it's the same

785
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: picture on a screen, on a Netflix or wherever it's

786
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 5: it's just different. It engages your brain differently, And I

787
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: just think there's something It is nostalgic, for one, because

788
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 5: obviously we're used to it, and kids today aren't like

789
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 5: Mike Raven, you know, she's much more used to flipping

790
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 5: through a streaming service. But I really do feel like,

791
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 5: just like the same way reading a kindle versus reading

792
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: a real book, I think totally engages your mind and

793
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: physically a different way. That's part of the reason I

794
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 5: love this stuff is you can just pick them up

795
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: and hold them in your hand, and it's just there's

796
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: something about that.

797
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, completely problem, Brian, where do you recommend

798
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: if like somebody is looking to kind of start collecting

799
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: physical media or like, you know, try to build up

800
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: their collection. Like, are there any kind of companies out

801
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: there that are doing a lot of this? I mean,

802
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I know Criterion is obviously probably, you know, one of

803
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: the biggest ones that are putting out really great physical media.

804
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: But I know there's all these other boutique labels, and

805
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: so I wondered, what are your favorites?

806
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 5: Maybe, Oh yeah, so many, that's tough. Yeah, Criterion is great.

807
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: I mean, Criterion is probably the first place I recommend

808
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 5: because they have a great breadth of stuff, and again

809
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: they often have I mean, they were sort of the

810
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 5: originators of I mean, I can't say this for sure,

811
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 5: but I want to say they were back on the

812
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: laser diss days. Some of the earliest audio commentaries were

813
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 5: from them. Yeah, and so they they're old school with it.

814
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 5: They know how to do it. So I love that

815
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 5: about them. But there's a lot of other companies. Aero Video,

816
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 5: which is a UK based company but now they are

817
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 5: UK and United States based. They do a lot of

818
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 5: really cool genre cinema. One of my favorite releases from

819
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 5: last year, and I think you're a fan of this

820
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 5: one too, Millie was over the Edge. Oh yeah, totally,

821
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 5: one of the great This is This is available streaming,

822
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: so you can't rent it, but they put together just

823
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 5: this incredible package. This is actually one of my favorite movies,

824
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: which is one of the reasons I bring it up.

825
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: And it had been long not available on anything but DVD,

826
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 5: and they just got the entire cast and crew on

827
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: zoom talking about the movie and it's just so wonderful

828
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 5: to get that stuff.

829
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: So anyway, Arrow is really really good.

830
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: There's a company called Indicator which is also UK based

831
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 5: but now also has a US arm. They do a

832
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: lot of British cinema, but they also do just tons

833
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: of great like I have behind me, like hammer Box

834
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 5: sets they've done.

835
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: They do like the noir stuff too, like they did

836
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: like Columbia Noir or something like that.

837
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, they've got I think five. I think they're on

838
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 5: their at least fifth volume of that. The latest one

839
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: is gonna be all about Humphrey Bogart.

840
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

841
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 5: They've done some really incredible stuff again with those supplements.

842
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 5: That's one of the things I love about the noir

843
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 5: stuff is there are a lot of women like uh

844
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 5: image in Sarah Smith and others that are participating both

845
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: with Criterion and other labels. UH in the noir area,

846
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 5: and I love to hear women talk about film noir.

847
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 5: That's a really neat thing for me. So they're great.

848
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 5: My I have a friend who has a company, Vinegar Syndrome,

849
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 5: is a very good but very out there.

850
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: They're they're their stuff is a little crazy and so

851
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: it's interesting.

852
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 5: But they also have these things called Partner Labels, which

853
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 5: is part of this other distribution network called OCN, which

854
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 5: has all kinds.

855
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: Of stuff, new stuff, old stuff.

856
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: A friend of mine who I met years ago, started

857
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 5: a company called fun City Additions, and they have done

858
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 5: He's done some really great stuff like Jeremy with Robbie

859
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: Benson and Glennis O'Connor, which just an incredible coming of

860
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: age seventies romance. He's done cult movies. He's really doing

861
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 5: good stuff. So I definitely recommend them. Scream Factory and

862
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 5: Shout Factory always a good place to go between the

863
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 5: more horror based stuff. With Scream Factory and Shout Factory

864
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: Select which is all over the place, I mean anywhere

865
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 5: from Dragnet to Midnight Run to what have you, they're

866
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 5: a really good place to start, and they do a

867
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 5: lot of really good supplements too, So I mean those

868
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 5: are just a few, but I mean, if you start

869
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 5: going down this rabbit hole, they're just there's so much,

870
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: just so much stuff out there.

871
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: And I think the urgency partially comes from.

872
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 5: The fact that if people turn completely to you know,

873
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 5: streaming media, even these.

874
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: Boutique labels will go away.

875
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 5: And yes, we'll lose these these avenues to have these

876
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: movies come out. So I think that's why people really

877
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: push so hard, is because you know, you see it

878
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 5: physically happening at a Best Buy.

879
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Their Blu ray selection.

880
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 5: Shrinks and shrinks and shrinks, and tel I've even seen

881
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 5: people posting pictures of like no physical media at a

882
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: best Buy anymore at all, which you know, I get

883
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 5: like people maybe aren't buying it as much. But I

884
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 5: think again that's why they push so hard on Twitter

885
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 5: and places like that. It's just like, hey, we got

886
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 5: to keep doing this because it's going to go away,

887
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: and it's it is important because we'll lose this avenue

888
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: and that, you know, I would hate to see that happen.

889
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: I love too that like the the the way that

890
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: you mentioned all these boutique distributors, it's kind of the

891
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: way I think that I used to approach music, where

892
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: if I liked a band that was released on one label,

893
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: I would check out the rest of the label, and

894
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: so you know, like, oh, like I like Orange nine Millimeter,

895
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: Let's see what the rest of this label has. And

896
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 3: so you can kind of treat physical media that way too.

897
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: If you find one film that's being released by a

898
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: certain company, then check out the rest of what they

899
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: have to offer, because a lot of times they tend

900
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: to focus on the same genre or the same style

901
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: or like it's a good way, good way approach to

902
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for giving us that extensive list.

903
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: That's an awesome place to start.

904
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 5: Now, you're one hundred percent right, though, Danielle, that is

905
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 5: exactly the same kind of thing. It's you find a

906
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: label that you like, you find a boutique label that

907
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 5: you like, and they will probably hit some other sweet

908
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 5: spot for you at some point, and that's one hundred

909
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: percent a good parallel.

910
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: I think.

911
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely Well. Listen, Brian, we can't thank you enough for

912
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: being on the podcast answer this question from JB. Thank

913
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: you JB for writing. I honestly think it's such an

914
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: interesting conversation to have because we do get a lot

915
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: of people who are asking us like where to see

916
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: movies for the podcast, and it's always hard because we

917
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: want to we want to try to make that you know,

918
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: I believe it as much as you do. I think

919
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: movies should be available always, and I hate to think

920
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: that movie would just go away simply because no one can,

921
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, host it or put out a DVD of it.

922
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm excited that you were here to

923
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: answer this question. We've been wanting you on the pod

924
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: for a while, yes, and and you got to come back.

925
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: I'm so honored to be on.

926
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: I'm such a big fan of both you guys in

927
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 5: the show in general, and I love what you do.

928
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 5: And again, my daughter loves what you do, and it's been, honestly,

929
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: it's been a really neat bonding experience for her and

930
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: I like we bond over movies to a degree. But lately, she,

931
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 5: you know, is kind of doing her own thing and

932
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: is a little bit more like dad, leave me alone

933
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 5: kind of.

934
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: So when I can get in.

935
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 5: The car with her and the guitar lick from the

936
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: beginning of your show comes on, she just she just

937
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 5: you know, shuts right up, and it's just like, what

938
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: are they going to talk? About today and just we

939
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 5: but we totally have bonded over it. So I really

940
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 5: appreciate the show in a huge way, more than I

941
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 5: can really express.

942
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: And again, it's an honor, it's an honor. I'm a

943
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of both of you.

944
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Well melting thing.

945
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: I know you're listen. I say this often. You're one

946
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: of the good ones, Brian. We I love being on

947
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: a podcast with you. I love hearing you talk about

948
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: movies too, and you know, thank you so much for

949
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: your time. And and tell Raven that like she is

950
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: one of us, she is she can have her own

951
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: segment on this podcast whenever.

952
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: She wants, which I mean to stop motion animation person.

953
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: We're going to Raven first.

954
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: And also please listen to Piercinema Pod and just the

955
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: Disks Like truly you are. You're one of the most

956
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: accessible and thoughtful and intelligent hosts out there, and that

957
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: just really I always find something new and wonderful to

958
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: discover when when I hear you talk. So thank you

959
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: for for being part of this community and letting us

960
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: be part of this community.

961
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: So kind my pleasure. Thank you so much.

962
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: Well, that was so great.

963
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: Brian is so smart and I love I just love

964
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: talking about media, like actual physical media.

965
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: And I thought that.

966
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: Your movie this week was going to be one that

967
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: I'd have to get on physical media. But I was

968
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: surprised and I found it online and uh.

969
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: You didn't have to go get a copy from media

970
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: play on VHS, you were not.

971
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was ready to go to the library like

972
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 7: you guys got this, but we were able to watch

973
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 7: it streaming.

974
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Saie and I I'm loving our theme for

975
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: this week, and it is it is from your genius mind,

976
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: So why don't you just tell people what the theme is?

977
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: So our theme this week is DJ play my motherfucking song.

978
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: And that came about because I kept thinking about movies

979
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 3: where we just can't help but attach a song to

980
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: the movie, like the song and the movie are inextric

981
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: inextricably linked in our minds totally.

982
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: I actually think this is a great theme because it's

983
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: like another entry point into movies, right, Like that's what

984
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: we do with the themes here. We're just trying to

985
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: come up with stuff that helps you kind of orient

986
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: yourself and watching two films, and these two films are

987
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: quite different, but the songs are once you hear them,

988
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, that movie right, And that's kind

989
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: of like what you know. I loved about this theme

990
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: when you suggested it because it was like I, for

991
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: whatever reason, immediately knew mine. I immediately knew mine. And

992
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: when I said it, you were like.

993
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: What, Oh, I have so many questions. I'm so glad

994
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: you're going first.

995
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: I would have picked forty five movies before this one.

996
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: For you.

997
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's easily easily picked, like oh, she'll do this

998
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: one or that one. This came out of left field

999
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: for me, and I cannot wait to hear about it.

1000
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Listen, I am nothing if not a surprise, and I

1001
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: would like to keep everyone dancing at all times. And

1002
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: apparently this one blew your fucking mind. It actually is

1003
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: like a funny movie to talk about. I will because

1004
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: it is. It is completely steeped in my childhood. Yeah,

1005
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: that is gonna be a big part of this presentation.

1006
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: I figured it was.

1007
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: And look before before you intro it and get into it.

1008
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: I also just want to say this movie is a

1009
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: smooth two and a half hours long, and this song

1010
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 3: plays the last five minutes of it.

1011
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: It is the biggest brank you have ever pulled on

1012
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: me on the show.

1013
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: I know next time I'm gonna be like, hey, so

1014
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: there's this great song at the end of World on

1015
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: a Wire by Rainier Werner Fastpender. You're gonna have to

1016
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: watch all eight and a half hours of it. But

1017
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: the song on the end is great. No, I'm kidding,

1018
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: but it's well. I will get into it in just

1019
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: a second. But there there are times where I feel like,

1020
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: maybe you should just watch the music video, yes, instead

1021
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: of watching a two and a half.

1022
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: Hour movie, which I know what I did, because when

1023
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 3: you decided that this was your movie and you sent

1024
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: the link, I was like, wow, Wow, So let's get

1025
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: into it because you are a first and I have

1026
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: so many questions.

1027
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: You know you're not seeing this right now, but I'm

1028
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: unloosening my pretend necktie as if I've been busted in

1029
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: an affair in a motel.

1030
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Billie's doing a full Rodney Dangerfield right now.

1031
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, y ye, okay. So my movie for the

1032
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: theme of DJ play. My mother fucking Song is a

1033
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: movie from nineteen ninety two. It was written by Bob Doleman,

1034
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: directed by Ron Howard, and it's called Far and Away.

1035
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: He Left behind everything he knew.

1036
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Shut up.

1037
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: For freedom, serving don't call me boy.

1038
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: In my imagination, America is a wonderfully modern place.

1039
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: I also love that we both picked movies by directors

1040
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: who have famed careers, and we picked the worst of

1041
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: their movies, or I should say, the movies that were

1042
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: the least critically acclaimed.

1043
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, you know.

1044
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I have a've rethought your film,

1045
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: so I can't wait to talk to you about that.

1046
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: Excellent, but I'm.

1047
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: Gonna do a full on fecking Sophia Petrillo thing right now.

1048
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Picture it nineteen ninety two. I'm in eighth grade. Okay,

1049
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: as we might have talked about, I was kind of

1050
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: a shock, but I also had a sensitive side. Also

1051
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: had a sensitive side. I definitely secretly loved romance, and

1052
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: as we know from our Memphis Bell episode, I loved

1053
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: historical ghosts and was probably in love with a historical

1054
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: ghost at one point in my life. But I also

1055
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: watched a lot of MTV. Okay, we probably all did.

1056
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: If you're a certain age, you definitely watch a lot

1057
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: of MTV. Now you you kids may not know this,

1058
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: but honestly, like MTV not only used to play videos.

1059
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: But they also would play like these weird playlists of

1060
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: like Clusterfucky videos, so like in the early in the

1061
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: eighties and early nineties. So they'd play like in between

1062
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: the Alternative Nation jams and then like the Downtown Julie

1063
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: Brown jams. It was like not unheard of to see

1064
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: a Michael Bolton video or like Anita Baker. I feel

1065
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: like we talked about this Anita Baker videos. I mean, yes,

1066
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: Queen's were like that era was weird because it was

1067
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: like adult contemporary music mixed with like hard rock, and

1068
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: then alternative was was kind of coming around the corner.

1069
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: So it was like this weird moment and then he

1070
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: still had like empty hammer and shit like that, right.

1071
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 3: I think I think that's when MTV decided to throw

1072
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: in the towel on videos because they're like, this is

1073
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: too confusing.

1074
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: We can't be can't be in this business anymore.

1075
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: Yes, why are we playing time, Love and Tenderness alongside

1076
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: fucking smells like teen Spirit? This is so weird. But

1077
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: here's here, I'll even goya one weirder. They would play

1078
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: new Age songs and we were also two and this

1079
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: era early nineties, does anybody remember the Pure Moods compilation.

1080
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: Experience Pure Mood the Perfect soundtrack for your way of life.

1081
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: Sadness Part one, the jamall dull contemporary jams.

1082
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like New age dance music. That was

1083
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: kind of the shit that was going on too, which

1084
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: is so weird. It's like I said, I said, a

1085
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: weird era. So nineteen ninety two, I'm in eighth grade.

1086
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: I watched MTV. I see a music video by the

1087
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: best selling Irish solo artists of all time, Enya only

1088
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: second to you two in terms of best selling Irish musicians, Okay,

1089
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: And I'll have you know. At the time, she was

1090
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: already famous because she had an album called Watermark that

1091
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: came out. I don't know if you remember this, featuring

1092
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: the all time jam Orinoco Flow.

1093
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: Come on. Look.

1094
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety two, I was working in a toy

1095
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: store part time and a cafe part time, and both

1096
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: of those stores rocked Orinoco flow NonStop. It didn't matter

1097
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 3: whether you were buying a briar horse or a pound

1098
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 3: of pine nuts, you were getting some Orinoco Flow.

1099
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, you don't even want

1100
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: to know my deep fucking thoughts on Enya, especially Orinoco Flow.

1101
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: If I don't know if you know this or not.

1102
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: Do you know that she calls out her producer in

1103
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: that song.

1104
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: Actually talks literally anything she's saying in that song to this,

1105
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: I've heard it seven thousand times. I could not tell

1106
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: you a single word from Orinoco Flow.

1107
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Also, I'm just listen. I'm just I'm not saying that

1108
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: Ennia is a rapper by any stretch, however, or a

1109
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Noko Flow. First of all, I think or Noko I

1110
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: think that is the name of the studio she recorded

1111
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: that shit in.

1112
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: Is her producer name Flow.

1113
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: No, but the or.

1114
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: No Go Flow being like, Yo, I'm in the studio.

1115
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: This is the or No Go Flow coming from the studio.

1116
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: I got my producer that I'm calling out the song.

1117
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, are you a rapper? That's some

1118
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: rap music shit? Am I wrong about that?

1119
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: No?

1120
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: And Enya was the secret member of Dead pres if

1121
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: I remember correctly, she gets credited, but she's never in

1122
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: the videos.

1123
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: Or Noko is is basically Nya's stankonia. If you want

1124
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: to get down to brass house, that is what this is.

1125
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: But let me just tell you too, Enya whom at

1126
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: this moment, okay, in time when this video was on MTV.

1127
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: If you ever had a shitty boyfriend in the nineties, okay,

1128
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Enya was the person that he made fun of while

1129
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: he was out like beaten off to like use your

1130
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: illusion one and two.

1131
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

1132
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: And I will say for the record that I think

1133
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: Enya was maligned in the nineties. I'll talk about that

1134
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: later perhaps, but I'm just saying, yep, this is why

1135
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: she was on MTV and why I was like, what

1136
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? So this video, she's essentially sitting

1137
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: at this giant desk in like her conservatory. I don't

1138
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: know where Enya lives. I think a castle or something.

1139
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: She lives on a cloud, and you know it, come on, yes.

1140
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: Well the conservatory in her cloud that houses all of

1141
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: her like rare books and candles and shit. Okay, and

1142
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: she's like opening these giant pages and guess what the

1143
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: pages are scenes from this Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise

1144
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: period piece called Far and Away. Okay. So that's that's

1145
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: how I found out about the jam was through MTV.

1146
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: And then when I realized the song was not called

1147
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: Far and Away, it was called Book of Days. I

1148
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh fuck, my mind is blown. Now Far

1149
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: and Away the film, all right, let me get to this.

1150
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: It's it was this. It was the second movie that

1151
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: Nicole Kimmen and Tom Cruise made together while they were married.

1152
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: As a culture at this time, we barely knew Nicole Kidmen,

1153
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: okay you, but as a kid of the eighties, we

1154
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: knew Tom Cruise, obv. Now I saw their first movie,

1155
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: Days of thunder Thought. It was just okay. I mean,

1156
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while. It's really hard

1157
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: for me to get in the race car driving movies.

1158
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw that out there with you. But

1159
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: but this movie historical, romantic epic starring America's favorite celebrity

1160
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: couple and then featuring this epic New Age Irish tune

1161
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: that I just heard on MTV. I mean, I was like,

1162
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: all right, I'm in and look like like literally every

1163
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: movie that I thought was important and historical in the

1164
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: early nineties, Far and Away is definitely horny and not good.

1165
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw that out there right now. It's

1166
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: horny and not good. And I don't even know how

1167
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: horny it is for me personally, because I'm not like

1168
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: a big Tom cruise lady, but me either just say

1169
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: it by that metric, it's horny and not good. But

1170
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: this would be my selection for the bracket if we

1171
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: if we do it again.

1172
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: But look, just just for reference, Okay, I looked up

1173
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 6: the Roger Ebert review for this movie when it came out,

1174
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 6: and I am paraphrasing here.

1175
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: But I believe that he said this movie was so

1176
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: stupid that he actually thought it was made for eighth graders,

1177
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: for people by age when this movie came out. So wow,

1178
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: that's the critical opinion of Far and Away.

1179
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: Now Eber is just taking listen, I'll in defense of

1180
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 3: Far and Away for a moment. Ah. They cover a

1181
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: very interesting span of time across two nations. Correct, So

1182
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: come on, Roger Eber, give him some crid Even if

1183
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: it was like how we all found out about the

1184
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: Oklahoma land Rush, let us have that, whether we're in

1185
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: eighth grade or whether we're ninety like, let us have

1186
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: that they didn't teach us that in school unless you

1187
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: lived in Oklahoma.

1188
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know what, let me just tell

1189
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: you this right now, look at it from today's lens. Yes,

1190
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: Now we have directors like Steve McQueen and other people

1191
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: who can like make these great historical films and they're good.

1192
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: But yo, back in the day, these were dumb, Like,

1193
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: these were dumb, huge movies that we're trying to make

1194
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: like trillions of dollars, and you got like Tom Cruise,

1195
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: Nicole Kimmen And this doesn't have to be perfect, right, However,

1196
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: it is stupid. It's a stupid look, it's stupid, and

1197
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm fine with that. I'm fine with loving

1198
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: it in eighth grade and realizing now that it was

1199
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: it was so hokey, right, Like there's a character in

1200
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: the movie that literally comes back to life to say

1201
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: one thing. Everybody thought he was dead. He's like, but wait,

1202
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: go get your land or whatever. It's like so weak.

1203
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: It comes back to genuinely set up the premise of

1204
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: the film. Like, without that dude coming back from the dead,

1205
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: there is no movie. Your main character, the main character

1206
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: has no ambition, no drive, no purpose, no narrative without

1207
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: that move.

1208
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it's my last words are I will give you your

1209
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: mission for the next two and a half hours.

1210
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: So this makes sense. Incredible also, and again, and I'm

1211
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: going to defend this movie a lot. I think because Wow,

1212
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: I didn't dislike it. I didn't dislike it as much

1213
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: as I remember disliking it.

1214
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: Sure, and I think that it was.

1215
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a movie that definitely does the

1216
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: Irish dirty as a people. It's a lot going on,

1217
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: like as people, they could have gone in a number

1218
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: of different ways. The Irish are used to it. They

1219
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: handle it like champions. They are a different breed. Yeah,

1220
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: Irish folks are a different breed and in the best

1221
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: possible way. And they rolled with this and nobody came

1222
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: for Ron Howard, but.

1223
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: They could have.

1224
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess they thought he must be he

1225
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: must be one of us, right, because this is the

1226
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: story of his forefathers.

1227
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: Perhaps I don't know.

1228
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't know where this story came from. Him and

1229
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: Clint Howard were like, this is our legacy, I suppose,

1230
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Like my grandmother looked at my grandfather's dick underneath a

1231
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: bowl and that's how we came to America.

1232
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: Like, Grandma, how did you guys tell us again that

1233
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: story of how we landed here? And your guy mother

1234
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: be like, well, your grandfather was trying to kill my

1235
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: dad and he was holed up in a barn, and

1236
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 3: I stabbed him in the leg, and I looked at

1237
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: his dick under a bowl, and then we jumped on

1238
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: a ship and I made him be my servant.

1239
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: And then here you are, bare.

1240
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: Knuckle boxed his way to freedom.

1241
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: I got shot, he got stabbed. What do you fucking

1242
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: want from me? You children are soft?

1243
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: Holy shit?

1244
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: Well look, I mean that was pretty much the movie,

1245
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much shit. I will I will give

1246
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: you one cent synopsis just to be horrible. So the

1247
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: son of a poor Irish family meets the headstrong rebellion's

1248
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: daughter of his landlord, and together they travel to America

1249
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: to participate in the land Run of eighteen ninety three. Okay, beautiful,

1250
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the synopsis. Now I'm gonna give you

1251
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 1: like a really like I want to give a little

1252
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: bit of paperwork because I actually did the like land

1253
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: run research because you know, as we know, very complicated,

1254
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,959
Speaker 1: and you know, the whole movie is kind of based

1255
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: around this idea that people came to America to basically

1256
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: race for quote unquote unassigned land. Okay, and all that

1257
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: land eventually became like the state of Oklahoma.

1258
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 3: Now, do us a favor, ignore these Native Americans yes,

1259
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna just rush this land.

1260
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because when I say unassigned quote unquote, I

1261
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: basically mean land that was taken from the Native Americans

1262
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: and was given to settlers from the East Coast or whoever.

1263
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: And it's very complicated. Obviously they were oversimplifying it a lot.

1264
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: But I actually went on the Potawatam Nation website and

1265
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: it's great. They actually do like a whole rite up

1266
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: about it. And because see here's the thing, Like the

1267
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: film is obviously very Hollywood, it's very beautiful. It's very

1268
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: like you know, people were comparing it to the films

1269
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: of John Ford in the films of David Lean, because

1270
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: they're these It was shot in seventy millimeter, which you

1271
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: know at the time in nineteen eighty two, they the

1272
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: last film that was shot in seventy millimeter was Tron

1273
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: from like ten years earlier. So you know, and one day,

1274
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: if you guys are interested, and I'm sure you're not,

1275
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: if you want to, I can talk a little bit

1276
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: about film gauges and what the differences are if anybody

1277
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: gives a shit, Like, but like, they shoot a lot

1278
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: of epics and Westerns and seventy mil like they shot

1279
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: Ben her in two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,

1280
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: and then of course, like people like Christopher Nolan and

1281
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino and Paul Thomas Anderson, they shoot their films

1282
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: in seventy milimeter. But it's like the purpose is to

1283
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: show this like gorgeous landscape.

1284
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1285
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: That was actually they actually shot this movie far and

1286
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: away in Montana and not Oklahoma but burn Burn. I know,

1287
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: apparently people like I read somewhere that like Oklahoma historical

1288
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: people were involved, but basically, yeah, they didn't even shoot

1289
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: it there, Like.

1290
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 3: We called the guy, what do you want from us?

1291
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 3: We called the guy and then we went to Montana.

1292
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: He was like, yes, there's dirt here, Yes there's mountains here. Cool,

1293
01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: let's keep it going. But you know, obviously it's the

1294
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: history of the land runs are super complicated. There's been

1295
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: a lack of you know, information from the Native American side,

1296
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: and just go do your research. It's very interesting and

1297
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: I just encourage people to look into it. So now

1298
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: that you have some historical perspective about this film, like,

1299
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: let's talk about the little beats of the film, which

1300
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: is that Tom Cruise plays a guy named Joseph Donnelly.

1301
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: It's the late eighteen hundreds. He's in Ireland. He's the

1302
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: youngest son of these poor Irish farmers. They're staging a

1303
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: protest against their landlords. And at some point at the

1304
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, his dad gets hit in the

1305
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: head with some like roofing or something like that. I

1306
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: could understand what happened.

1307
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: It was like the.

1308
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 3: Stone he gets knocked down, but he gets knocked onto

1309
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: a stone, yes, And the stone that he hits his

1310
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: head on is like he falls on it.

1311
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and it is bludgeoned to death. Essentially, was what happened.

1312
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: They take him back to his farm. He's like, take

1313
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: me to my son's. He goes to his sons, one

1314
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: of whom is Jared Harris and then Tom Cruise. Okay,

1315
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: and you know, the two oldest sons are drunk and

1316
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: wanted to start fights.

1317
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: Okay they did the Irish so dirty they shir did.

1318
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: And then Tom Cruise is the one that's like, but Papa,

1319
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: like I I will protect you. And then so the

1320
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: dad dies and like we said before, it comes back

1321
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: to life like in a gasp, but it's like go

1322
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: get your land or whatever. And then so now Tom

1323
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 1: Cruise is in printed on this moment and he's just like, fuck,

1324
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: I gotta go get my own land because fuck, this

1325
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: is my dad just told me. I'm nobody if I

1326
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: don't have my own land. Okay, So there's that cut

1327
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: to Tom Cruise finds out that his landlord is this

1328
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: guy Daniel Christie, and he's like basically in full fucking

1329
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: John Wick mode. He's like, fucking I'm gonna go find

1330
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: this motherfucker and kill him for you know, ruining my life.

1331
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, the landlord's you know the fact that my

1332
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: dad is now dead from some roofing. I don't know

1333
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: what's going on. So he shows up. He sees Danel

1334
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: Christy at his own home. He first of all, he

1335
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: like kind of hangs out with him at a bar,

1336
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: but then goes to his home, hides in the barn. Okay,

1337
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: and instead of Danel Christie, who he's planning to shoot

1338
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: with like one of those old timey guns, it ends

1339
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: up being this beautiful woman with this gorgeous curly red

1340
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: hair and her name is Shannon Christie, and she's in

1341
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: the barn putting away her horse, and she's like, there's

1342
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: somebody up there. Finds out it's this guy, Joseph Donnelly

1343
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: and then stabs him in the leg with a pitchfork

1344
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: because Shannon Christy, I don't know if you know this.

1345
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: She's a spicy one.

1346
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: She's a she's a corker. She's a real corker.

1347
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Because here's here's the deal, Shannon, She's she's modern.

1348
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: She hates Victorian callers, okay, doesn't want to wear them.

1349
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: She wants to look at Dick's on her giant bowls.

1350
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: She just does. And most importantly, she wants to travel

1351
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: to America because they're giving away freeland to people. And

1352
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: she's like, well, fuck, like I want to go there.

1353
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to find my parents. I want my own

1354
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: place to hang out with my horses. And she basically,

1355
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, enters in this proposition to the Joseph characters,

1356
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: to the Tom Cruise character, and it's like, do you

1357
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: want to come to America and get your own land?

1358
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: I looked at your Dick. I guess we're bonded for life, right,

1359
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: So basically, come to America with me. Here's the thing.

1360
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: I can't go by myself because I'm a woman and

1361
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: I can't travel alone. And why don't you just become

1362
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: my servant and then I will, yes, and then when

1363
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: we get there, we get land and everybody wins. Right,

1364
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: So that's the proposition. And he's like, are you fucking

1365
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: joking right now? Like, I'm trying to kill your dad

1366
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: for ruining my life and ruin in my family's life,

1367
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: and you want me to come be your servant.

1368
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 3: But but then realistically he can't go home because he

1369
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 3: completely failed in his mission to kill.

1370
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Daniel Christie, Yes, because what else am I gonna do?

1371
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1372
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't know how to shoot a gun or anything.

1373
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: He's like real clumsy. Well I find that very odd

1374
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: that he's clumsy but also a bare knuckle boxer. I'm

1375
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: just like, how does that work?

1376
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 3: Well? To his credit, the gun was old and rusty

1377
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 3: and it backfired. So he's trying to shoot this guy

1378
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: and the gun was like, nah, we ain't shooting anybody today.

1379
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: Sure, he almost blows himself up by trying to kill

1380
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: his landlord, which we've all been there as far as

1381
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: I know. So here's there's this other motherfucker too that

1382
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: comes into the picture of this guy name Steven Chase,

1383
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,480
Speaker 1: and this is like full Titanic mode. I haven't seen Titanic,

1384
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: but I know a little something based on literally all

1385
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: of you emailing me the plot to Titanic. Okay, Now,

1386
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: Stephen Chase, who's played by the actor Thomas Gibson. He's

1387
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of like the Billy Zain character. Yeah, he's like

1388
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: the mustachio dark haired, like asshole rich guy that is

1389
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: trying to marry Shannon yep.

1390
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: And he works for the dead and he's late and

1391
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: this is evil.

1392
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: Motherfucker.

1393
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: He's so evil.

1394
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 3: And this is Thomas Gibson of Dharma and Greg Fame,

1395
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: amongst other things, or if you are a Criminal Minds

1396
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 3: fan Criminal Minds. He puts so little effort into an

1397
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: Irish accent, Like Tom Cruise is out there like fucking,

1398
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: chucking and jiving, giving it as all and then Tom

1399
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: Gibson is like, hey, Lassie, uh whatever, like yeah, I'm

1400
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 3: gonna shoot you, and you're like, wait, were you not

1401
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,919
Speaker 3: just Irish a second ago? So little effort to maintaining

1402
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: that accent. He's like, I just have to be a dick.

1403
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 3: Just focus on the fact that I'm a dick.

1404
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: Don't listen to my accent.

1405
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like I have one sort of but mostly

1406
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm handsome and an asshole. So just focus on that.

1407
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,440
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise is sweating. He is sweating through those pronouns

1408
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:32,480
Speaker 2: and pronunciations.

1409
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And this is like Tom Cruise early period

1410
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: ish where he still looks like a fucking mean jock

1411
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: when he's like that mean jock face. He wasn't completely

1412
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: he hadn't capped all of his teeth by this point.

1413
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: He was still like fucking you know, he was kind

1414
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: of a unibrow like, mean motherfucker looking type of dude.

1415
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: And they really play that up. And this so here's

1416
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: the thing. Shannon is rich and Joseph is poor. They're

1417
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: traveling together on a steamer across, you know, to America.

1418
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: Shannon has a spoon collection, and she's like, this is

1419
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: this is my money. My money is in these spoons.

1420
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: And let me just tell you back in nineteen ninety two,

1421
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: my mother also thought that spoons were going to get

1422
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: her places. We had those. We had one of those

1423
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: cabinets like all hanging on the wall that had the

1424
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: fucking spoons from like every state, and I thought she

1425
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, you're going to college on these spoons.

1426
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: I was like, they will end up at a thrift

1427
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 1: store and where I will get bit by a I

1428
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: will get Yeah. I was like, that's my fucking sliding

1429
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: doors moment. Is the fucking spoon collection?

1430
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: Who was running this spoon racket back in the day?

1431
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: Because I entered so many homes my friend's parents were like,

1432
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 3: we all got to get the spoons, and I'm like,

1433
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 3: what is happening here? And are you okay? Because the

1434
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 3: spoons were also like they were non usable. They were

1435
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 3: tinier than a teaspoon. Yes, they were like little Barbie spoons.

1436
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: Some of them like that bells hey, you know, like

1437
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: you couldn't use that shit.

1438
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 3: They had like big enamel emblems on them. I'm like,

1439
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: who is using this buying this? It's not even like

1440
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 3: enough silver to make a ring out of? Yes, who

1441
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 3: was running Someone got super rich off of the spoon

1442
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 3: racket in the late seventies early eighties.

1443
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.

1444
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: Yes, And like, think about it this way. This was

1445
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: a this was pre beanie babies, So this was like

1446
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: the the foundation. Spoons laid the foundation for beanie babies.

1447
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: Let's just say that for moms. For all y'all's moms like.

1448
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 2: Spoons walks, so beanie babies could.

1449
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Fly exactly exactly. So Shannon is like, yo, I got

1450
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: these spoons. They're gonna take us to the New World,

1451
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: so we can like go get this land. Guess what,

1452
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: she has no street smarts whatsoever, because she she entrusts

1453
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: some fucking stranger to spoon collection. This motherfucker basically like

1454
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: drops them and then all everybody starts grabbing them. So

1455
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: they're broke, is basically my point. So she's all high society.

1456
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: He's like like Joseph's of the lower classes, if you will.

1457
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: And they are fucking broke in America. So they have

1458
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: to prose. They have to pose his brother and sister

1459
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: as you do in these films, and they got to

1460
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: rent a room in a brothel where Shannon has to

1461
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: dance burlesque and Joseph has to bare knuckle box to survive.

1462
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: And also they fall in love during this soul this

1463
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: whole Shenanigan like, and there's a lot of scenes. There's

1464
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: a lot of scenes of Joseph bare knuckle boxing, and

1465
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing where you know, he's beaten

1466
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: the toughest guy in town and this guy beats him

1467
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: to a bloody pulp and he's about to fucking croak,

1468
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: but at the last minute he finds the strength and

1469
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: then just kicks this guy's ass. Like, gotta love a

1470
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: boxing movie where that shit happens.

1471
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: It's like, that's what's the dast This is why this.

1472
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 3: Movie is two and a half hours long, because like

1473
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: we have to put a whole boxing movie within this narrative.

1474
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,520
Speaker 2: Yes, of people coming from Ireland to America.

1475
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: Exactly, and so they they they have they basically separate

1476
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: at some point Joseph and Shannon as you also do

1477
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: in these films because it's like you're in love, but

1478
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: you have to break away for a second, so you

1479
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: come back together at the end. Hello, he starts working

1480
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: on the railroad, but they end up they both end

1481
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: up in the spot. That's what's crazy is they end

1482
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: up in the.

1483
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 2: Spot with the low of the dream.

1484
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: On top of that, guess who else is in America

1485
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: try to get their land. Her parents who decided that

1486
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: they were like, yo, we got a castle in Ireland,

1487
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: but I guess we also want American land because were greedy.

1488
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: Well because that kind of got burnt to the damn ground.

1489
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 3: Yes, tenants were like fuck you or burning this goddamn mansion.

1490
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: But also Steven fucking chase this motherfucker's in town two

1491
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: and wouldn't you know, there was an epic showdown between

1492
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 1: Joseph and Steven coming around the bend. But then that's

1493
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: the part of the movie that is actually kind of

1494
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: interesting and it does it is that moment of like, oh,

1495
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: they shot this in seventy mil thank god they did that.

1496
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: It looks great. But basically the land rush scene, so

1497
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: basically a guy shoots off the gun. Twenty thousand people

1498
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: are taking their stage coaches and their horses and they're

1499
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: basically just running towards Freeland. They stick their flag in

1500
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: the ground and that's their spot, right, and it's you know,

1501
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of it. Like I said before, there's obviously

1502
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: like a complicated history with it all, but in context

1503
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: of a film of like a Hollywood fake ass historical film,

1504
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: it looks great and that's the that's the film, that's

1505
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: the story. And here's the thing about the Ennia song.

1506
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: Just to wrap this.

1507
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 3: Up, this all takes place before the NA song ps.

1508
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: The NYA song plays at the closing credits. Because the

1509
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: rest of the score was done by John Williams and

1510
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: I feel like there was one other, like a like

1511
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: a modern band. I think it was the Chieftains. I

1512
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: think they have song in it, but basically, yeah, the

1513
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: NYA song plays at the end. However, in ninety two,

1514
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: Book of Days was bumping all the time.

1515
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 3: And that's where you put the big song was at

1516
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 3: the end of the film, like Brian Adams and the

1517
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 3: Robin Hood Prince at the Eves song.

1518
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 2: It was at the end. Yeah.

1519
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I thought I was fooled because

1520
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: I thought that that song was gonna be in it more.

1521
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: When I actually saw the movie, I was like, Yo,

1522
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: they played Book of Days at the end. I thought

1523
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. You're in the fucking.

1524
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: Race dot us Man.

1525
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: I was like, never again.

1526
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many movies I went to

1527
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 3: in the nineties thinking they're gonna play my song throughout

1528
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 3: because they play it on MTV a solid twelve hours

1529
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 3: a day, which means they want me to see this

1530
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: movie because the song is in it, right, And I

1531
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 3: would go, and then you should be mine please at

1532
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 3: the motorcycle scene at the end.

1533
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: Right, they oversold that shit, and like, they don't do

1534
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: this anymore because MTV does not play music videos, but

1535
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: back when we were kids, the music video was an

1536
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: entry point to the film, Like yes, Basically, it was

1537
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: almost like marketing for the film, where you would see

1538
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: the music video on MTV and be like, oh shit,

1539
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: I need to go see you know, whatever movie this is.

1540
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: I want to go see Streets of Fire because I

1541
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: saw the video for I Can Dream about You. There's

1542
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: like all these clips, you know, I have the video

1543
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you how many movies I saw

1544
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: based on the music video will Love.

1545
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1546
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 1: That's basically how I found out about movies in a

1547
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways.

1548
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 3: And the song the Fire videos didn't just show clips.

1549
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 3: They also had the actors in the video. Oh oh god,

1550
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 3: those were the fire ones.

1551
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: That was when you knew. You're like, yo, this isn't

1552
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: just like some marketing tool. They fucking integrated this ship

1553
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: into the Like the Ghostbusters video, when you saw the

1554
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: fucking guys at the end from Ghostbuds, You're like, Oh,

1555
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: they're in it, They're doing They're in the video. I'm like, damn,

1556
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: that's fucking tight quality quality. And let me just tell you,

1557
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: this isn't like a fucking I'm not I'm not gonna

1558
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: say this explicitly, but also, if you hate Enya, come

1559
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: fight me. I will bare knucklebox you.

1560
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: If you hate Enya, I swear well, Joseph Donnelly your

1561
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 3: face right, because here's one of the most interesting facts

1562
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 3: about this movie and the song is that Book of

1563
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: Days was nominated for a Ramzy how fare.

1564
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: What a fucking razzi, Okay, what kind of disrespectful shit

1565
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: is that.

1566
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 3: I can't hear that. I can't hear that and just

1567
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: go back to normal. That's not right at all, especially

1568
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 3: when songs like like the ad the mcam Hammer Adams

1569
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 3: Family song is out here and you're nominating Enya.

1570
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: In the nineties, it was so chic almost to make

1571
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: fun of Enya at a certain point, and I find

1572
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: that fucked up now in twenty twenty two, because she

1573
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: was just making chill spaw music for all of us.

1574
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: That's all it was was. She was making fucking chill out,

1575
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: chilaxing soundtracks for our relaxation. I swear if you hate Enya,

1576
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: I will bare knuckle blox you.

1577
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it.

1578
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: I'll go to your town. I'll go to your town.

1579
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it.

1580
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 3: One step further and say it was very popular in

1581
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 3: the nineties and even not as much now maybe, but

1582
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 3: like prevalent the nineties to make fun of any female musician. Yes,

1583
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how many times my first boyfriend

1584
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,919
Speaker 3: or like someone would be like, oh, you're listening to

1585
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 3: Tori Amos tore My Anus and I'm like, I will

1586
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 3: fucking turn up little earthquakes so loud your ears bleed

1587
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 3: cause you just don't get it and you're not supposed to.

1588
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: And fine, let them do their thing.

1589
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't even tell let's not even

1590
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: talk about Sarah McLaughlin and Little Fair all that shit.

1591
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: Everybody was like so down on that shit, denigrated, Yes,

1592
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: but now the fucking tables a turn and Sarah McLaughlin's

1593
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: out here making all that ASPCA money. The point of

1594
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: this is to say Book of Days was my jam.

1595
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: Book of Days will always remind me of far and

1596
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: away Book of Days. The video will probably be a

1597
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,799
Speaker 1: better watch than the two and a half hour movie yours.

1598
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: Your mileage may very of course, but I'm just saying,

1599
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 1: if you don't want to watch a two and a

1600
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: half hour movie, just watch the video. You'll get all

1601
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: the info you need. But the song is killer. It

1602
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: is in Anya as killer, She's a killer.

1603
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 3: So I appreciated that I did not hate this movie.

1604
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: I thought parts of it were very funny. I thought

1605
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 3: it was a throwback to a more gentle time when yes,

1606
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: I loved seeing movies because I liked the song, and

1607
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 3: I really appreciated that this was your movie this week,

1608
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 3: because I have never I have not thought of this

1609
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: movie since it was released in nineteen ninety two.

1610
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: Most people haven't, and I'm always here to talk about

1611
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: a movie that I weirdly loved in like seventh or

1612
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 1: eighth grade.

1613
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of my movie for this week, based on our.

1614
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: Theme, DJ play, My mother fucking Song was released in

1615
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight. It was written, directed, and produced by

1616
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 3: John Hughes, and it's called She's Having a Baby.

1617
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,879
Speaker 4: Kevin Bacon Elizabeth Macgothurn in a new film by John Hughes.

1618
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 2: It's been forty eight dollars since our last coition. My

1619
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: temperature's optimum.

1620
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm ovulating.

1621
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: I have the pillows set up in the position you

1622
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,520
Speaker 2: can watch TV if you get bored. Here's just successful realization.

1623
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 3: John Hughes is ubiquitous. Everyone knows that he basically created

1624
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 3: the modern teenager on screen. Breakfast Club, sixteen, Camp, a

1625
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 3: bunch of movies, a bunch of movies directed and wrote,

1626
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 3: and this one is one of his only movies that

1627
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 3: completely tanked, like it did not earn out what they

1628
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 3: made it for. It was critically bashed for some just

1629
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 3: nobody was having She's having a baby. It's one of

1630
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,959
Speaker 3: the last movies that he made, but after a legacy

1631
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: of creating all these teen movies, he shifted into this

1632
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 3: more serious adult realm and nobody wanted it, which is

1633
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 3: a shame because to me, this movie is part of

1634
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 3: my DNA. I have been watching it since I was

1635
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 3: a child, and it's probably part of the reason I

1636
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 3: never wanted to have kids, because this movie was devastating

1637
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: in so many ways, but also hilarious. So before I

1638
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 3: get into all that, I'll just say one sentence synopsis.

1639
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: Aspiring writer Jake Briggs is forced to confront his petulant

1640
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 3: behavior and reckon with the true meaning and happiness of

1641
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 3: life when his wife risks her life to give birth

1642
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 3: to their child.

1643
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, perfect.

1644
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 3: So This movie stars Kevin Bacon as Jake Briggs. His

1645
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 3: name is His name is Jefferson Briggs and Alec Baldwin

1646
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: plays his best friend Davis McDonald. And they might as

1647
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 3: well have been called like Blanco mcwhierson and white Man Blanche,

1648
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 3: Like they're the whitest names I've ever heard.

1649
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 1: Were they in the land Run too? That's some land

1650
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: Run fucking names.

1651
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 3: Flann Run two, Electric Bugloo is Jefferson, Jake Briggs, and Davis.

1652
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: McDonald wild like out the Gate Wild.

1653
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 3: Elizabeth McGovern plays Christy Briggs, Jake's wife, and Elizabeth McGovern,

1654
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 3: who a lot of younger people probably know from her

1655
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 3: more recent stint to us the matriarch in Dowton Abbey.

1656
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 3: She is so low key hilarious in this movie, just

1657
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 3: sarcastic and snappy and I adore her in this movie.

1658
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 3: And she looks like a porcelain doll, Like she is

1659
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:44,959
Speaker 3: just like so underutilized and so funny in this movie.

1660
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so good. She's so good in this movie.

1661
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1662
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 3: And the whole premise of the film is basically that

1663
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 3: we were meeting Jake and Christy at the beginning of

1664
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 3: the film as they're getting married. And let me tell you,

1665
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 3: nobody is happy about this marriage because they are very young,

1666
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 3: you know, they're like in their early twenties. Jake is

1667
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 3: panicking from Jump, and a big part of this movie

1668
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 3: includes Jake's It's mostly from Jake's POV, and it includes

1669
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: a lot of his fantasy life. So he'll see something

1670
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 3: and fantasize and have kind of like these mild breakdowns

1671
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: around what's happening, and he just lives in his head

1672
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 3: a lot. But again, the thing that I love about

1673
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 3: this movie is a very poignant script. Like from the beginning,

1674
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 3: they're dropping these bombs. Like at one point, Jake and

1675
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 3: Davis are sitting in the car and He's kind of like,

1676
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should go in there and

1677
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 3: get married and do this, and Davis says, He's like,

1678
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 3: you know, do you think I'll be happy with my life?

1679
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: And Davis says, you'll be happy, you just won't know it.

1680
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like, damn, that's five minutes into the film

1681
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: and they're dropping these bombs.

1682
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: Let me just talk to Davis. McDonald brings the real

1683
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,799
Speaker 1: every fucking time he opens his mouth. I was like, Damn,

1684
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: this motherfucker will tell you to your face exactly what

1685
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear.

1686
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: Ever, yes, he's that friend.

1687
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 3: Yes, he is that friend, and he's you know, he's

1688
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 3: kind of this he could have been, in Less Capable Hands,

1689
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 3: a very throwaway character because he's kind of this well moneyed,

1690
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 3: kind of preppy kid who plays his way through his

1691
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 3: twenties and doesn't take anything too seriously, including relationships. Like

1692
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 3: he could have just been a throwaway character, but he

1693
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 3: ends up, even though it's a small role, adding a

1694
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 3: lot of heft to Jake and Christy's relationship because you're

1695
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 3: kind of seeing the other side of the coin with him.

1696
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Yeah, I thought about

1697
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: this a lot when I was watching this movie, of

1698
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: his character and sort of like who he sort of represents, right,

1699
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, obviously this movie is about marriage,

1700
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: and it's about kind of like going into that world

1701
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: of like moving to the suburbs and having children and everything,

1702
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and then you have, you know, in every story invariably

1703
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: have like your friend who is still single, who's living

1704
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: in the city, who doesn't want kids, is kind of

1705
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: just like living the life. And there's a scene of

1706
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Davis and when he comes to visit them and he's

1707
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: got his new girlfriend, and that fucking scene like cut

1708
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: me open in so many ways. And then I started thinking,

1709
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you thought this, it might have

1710
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 1: just been me, But I thought, do my married friends

1711
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: think that I'm this guy that I'm like coming into

1712
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 1: their house like no fucking attachments, being like, she's a

1713
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: fucking scary city person with no, she's not married and

1714
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: she's got no kids and she has a job, and no,

1715
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that's what my

1716
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: married friends are thinking about me. I would hate to

1717
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: think that, but it was that moment where you're like,

1718
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: who are you on this side? Like what side are

1719
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: you on in this scene?

1720
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: Right? Oh, yeah, I'm the Davis.

1721
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: And yes, our married friends absolutely do think that about us,

1722
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 3: even if it's not all the time. It doesn't mean

1723
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: they love us any less, but they absolutely think we're

1724
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 3: total fucking freaks.

1725
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing?

1726
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: You made me think if you could if you haven't

1727
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 1: figured this out already.

1728
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 3: So yeah, well this is what I again, I love

1729
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,440
Speaker 3: about watching and rewatching movies and going back and revisiting

1730
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 3: because when I was a kid watching this movie, I'm like.

1731
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 2: Oh, that guy's an asshole. He's just an asshole.

1732
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 3: But now I'm watching it in my mid forties and

1733
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 3: I'm like, Damn, I have a lot more Davis than

1734
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: I'd like to admit, and I don't like.

1735
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 2: That at all.

1736
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh again, it really adds a layer of

1737
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 3: weirdness kind of to even the Jake and Christie relationship

1738
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 3: because he is bringing so much energy of being against

1739
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 3: what they're trying to build, sure and seeing how that

1740
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 3: even affects their friendship, Like we've been through that where

1741
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 3: it's not even intentional, but there's a certain point where,

1742
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 3: like in my life, my friends were getting married and

1743
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 3: having and not even the marriage wasn't even really the

1744
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 3: biggest part of it is when they started having kids

1745
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 3: is when I started hearing less from Like their priorities

1746
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 3: had shifted and either I wasn't hearing from them at all,

1747
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 3: or every time I heard from them it was only

1748
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 3: about their kids.

1749
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: And I'm like, we.

1750
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 3: Used to get so drunk and puke against the sides

1751
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 3: of bars and just talk about everything, and now I'm

1752
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 3: only hearing about shitty diapers. And I want to be

1753
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: there for you and support you through that, but all

1754
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 3: my shit looks just pales in comparison, Like I can't

1755
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 3: talk to you about anything going on in my life,

1756
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 3: because your life is abjectly harder than my life is

1757
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: right now. So it just instantly made me feel like

1758
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 3: I have no purchase here to discuss anything real because

1759
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 3: you will always now be able to one up me

1760
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 3: with but parenthood harder.

1761
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, you're right, you're right.

1762
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 3: I cannot fault you on that. And again, this isn't

1763
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 3: my friends saying anything to me that made me feel

1764
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: that way. It was just kind of me realizing that

1765
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 3: because most of us did this kind of stuff in

1766
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 3: later life, that I thought we'd gotten past that point

1767
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 3: and like, oh, well, when you got married and your

1768
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 3: partners are cool, so like we're all still pretty much

1769
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 3: the same. It was having kids that made it real

1770
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 3: to me that, like, oh, they are living different lives.

1771
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's what this movie. It's interesting

1772
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: because I did think about this movie in terms of

1773
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: that of like a modern like because I kept thinking, Okay,

1774
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: so here's this like young couple, they're married. A lot

1775
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: of young couples who are married don't move to the

1776
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: suburbs and get a lawn more or whatever some still say.

1777
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 1: In the city. I know people who are raising kids

1778
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: in the city or whatever. But it's also like the

1779
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I think that what the Davis character makes them, it

1780
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: kind of like forces them to sort of be like

1781
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: you really want to do this, Like you're you're still

1782
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: in it, You're still here. You got like the the

1783
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: other side of the world being presented to you. And

1784
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: it's gross. Some of it is gross. Like his girlfriend

1785
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: that comes in is like crazy.

1786
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: Basically she's like she's licking licking.

1787
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: That fucking drink. Like I kept thinking, like, Okay, I've

1788
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: never done that. At least I have the sense to

1789
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: not lick the side of a glass in front of

1790
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: my fucking friends who are married. But at the same time, the.

1791
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 3: Caricature of her is is extreme. But we've all like

1792
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 3: I've dated someone who was a puppeteer and brought them

1793
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 3: to my fucking friend's house like that was normal. Oh yeah,

1794
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 3: Like we have real jobs and lives, y'all are n

1795
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 3: I know.

1796
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: And it's but it's so like it goes back to

1797
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: just that whole the whole thing that it was like

1798
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: even in the eighties it felt a little bit even

1799
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: more pronounced, where it was basically like, uh, you gotta

1800
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: get a job in advertising. You got to move to

1801
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: the sub you got to be friends and have block

1802
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: parties with your neighbors, and you forego being cool and

1803
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: being city wise and being interesting for this, right, And

1804
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: that's what I think that that this movie really shows

1805
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: a lot more than I ever thought I yaw it.

1806
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Jake's having a really hard time with it

1807
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 3: is the truth, Like he's really really having a hard

1808
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 3: time in general in himself. So they get married and

1809
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: they go immediately to New Mexico where he's in grad school,

1810
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 3: and it's kind of terrifying, you know. They have problems

1811
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 3: with their in laws and money issues, and he doesn't

1812
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 3: like being in grad school. So they move back to

1813
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 3: Chicago and do the whole suburbia thing, and he doesn't

1814
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 3: fit in there either, and he kind of resents the

1815
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 3: fact that like Christie's parents are constantly making fun of

1816
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 3: him because Christy wants to work and Christie's dad is like, well,

1817
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 3: my wife never had to work, and it's like so

1818
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 3: it's like also a generational divide that they're dealing with,

1819
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 3: and they're trying to be modern and cool, but they're

1820
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 3: they're replicating so much of the old beats of what

1821
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 3: it meant to be married, so they're just both they're

1822
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 3: having a lot of friction with it, and there's a

1823
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 3: very cringey club scene where Jake is trying to reclaim

1824
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 3: his youth after Davis visits, and he's like fantasizing about

1825
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,839
Speaker 3: this girl that he sees, and it's just very cringey

1826
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 3: because you're like, you're you're an adult male trying to

1827
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 3: build a life, and you're acting like a scared child.

1828
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 3: But that's again, as a forty something, I'm thinking, well,

1829
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 3: he's scared because his life changes are affecting his personality,

1830
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 3: and his personality is changing, and maybe he didn't expect that,

1831
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 3: and the responsibility of life is kind of more crushing

1832
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 3: to him than he thought. So he's working this job

1833
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 3: in advertising that he thinks is beneath him and he

1834
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 3: doesn't have any passion for and he's trying to write

1835
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 3: a book on the side and just really not feeling it,

1836
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 3: just really not feeling it. And all of this comes

1837
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 3: to a head when they decide to have a kid,

1838
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,480
Speaker 3: and I have a few issues with how that was presented.

1839
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 3: They basically show Christy just she stops taking her birth

1840
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 3: control pills without telling Jake which totally within her right

1841
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 3: to do so, but the way they present it is

1842
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna trick him and give me a baby,

1843
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: and I just didn't love that. Yeah, they do kind

1844
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 3: of make up for it, because you know, later they're

1845
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 3: doing these fertility tests and talking about, you know, trying

1846
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 3: to have a kid, and she's like, well, I stopped

1847
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 3: taking my birth control three months ago, so we got

1848
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 3: to go get tested. And this is before a time

1849
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 3: when it was normal to get fertility tests, So it

1850
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,799
Speaker 3: was like a big deal to even see this on screen.

1851
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 3: And to make the problem Jake's She's like, I can

1852
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 3: get pregnant. You can't get me pregnant. Yeah, And so

1853
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 3: that was new, like that was something very new to

1854
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:03,759
Speaker 3: see on screen. They embark on this journey towards becoming parents,

1855
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 3: which again throws this fucking spoke in the wheel for Jake.

1856
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 3: I think they should be having a bigger problem with

1857
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 3: the fact that their doctor is called doctor Stanky.

1858
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 2: I let you give birth in my kid or touch

1859
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 2: my body. Your name's Stanky.

1860
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: Wonder what that was like in the like when he

1861
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: was writing the film, being like Jefferson Jake Briggs, but

1862
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: then we'll call him his doctor Stanky. It was why

1863
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 1: not balance it out?

1864
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 3: It's a sign of a very gifted screen balanced it

1865
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 3: out with Stanky And again like Jefferson's or you know,

1866
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 3: Jake's also kind of pushed to this place because you've

1867
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 3: got the parents. The parents are so high pressure in

1868
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,799
Speaker 3: a way that I don't think happens anymore for most people.

1869
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 3: And the one of the funniest lines in the film,

1870
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 3: like the Christy's dad, Russ is one of the funniest

1871
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 3: characters the film unintentionally, and at one point they're sitting

1872
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 3: around the dinner table and he's like, what am I

1873
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 3: gonna have some grandkids? Everyone else in my office has

1874
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 3: pictures of their grandkids on their desks.

1875
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: And then he points at his wife and.

1876
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 3: He's like, I only have a picture of her, Like

1877
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 3: what am I gonna get some? And then he looks

1878
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 3: at the two Christie and Jake and goes, what are

1879
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 3: you gonna be swinger as your whole life? What?

1880
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 4: Like?

1881
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 3: Neither set of grandparents thinks that their marriage has any

1882
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 3: value until they have kids, which is a high pressure,

1883
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 3: fucking situation.

1884
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 2: So they design to have kids.

1885
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 3: Christy gets pregnant, very cute quick, kind of montage of

1886
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: them prepping for this baby, and that's where my song

1887
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 3: comes in, because Christy's on the way to the hospital, yes,

1888
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 3: and she's cool, comic collected, and Jake's losing his fucking

1889
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 3: mind and she in the middle of giving birth. They're

1890
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, bring him in to be present

1891
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 3: in the room, and then very quickly before he even

1892
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 3: that's foot in the room, there is problems and a

1893
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 3: nurse tells him, you know, you have to wait. There's issues.

1894
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: I'll come out and tell you what's going on when

1895
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 3: I find out. And what's happened is that Christy is

1896
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 3: having a breach birth, so the baby is backwards and

1897
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 3: it's very scary.

1898
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 2: The scenes of.

1899
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 3: Her in labor prior to having the cesarean were excruciating

1900
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 3: to me as a child. I'm like, I never want

1901
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 3: to do any of that, Like, I never wanted to

1902
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,759
Speaker 3: be in that kind of pain for even ten minutes.

1903
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: Ain't worth it. But then we get again to my song.

1904
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 3: So I didn't know this as a kid, but this

1905
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 3: woman's work by Kate Bush was written for this movie.

1906
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 3: So when I was a kid, I just thought this

1907
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 3: song so perfectly matches what's going on.

1908
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 2: How lovely.

1909
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 3: And then years later, when the Internet came into my

1910
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 3: life and I was reading about this song, I'm like, wait,

1911
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: this song was specifically written for this movie, like John,

1912
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 3: he has commissioned it essentially from Kate Bush.

1913
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 2: Pretty good.

1914
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: You can outside this woman's work, this wool.

1915
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 3: And if you don't know who Kate Bush is, wow,

1916
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you weren't a kid who was

1917
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 3: dancing around with a scarf in your room to Wuthering Heights,

1918
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 3: I can't help you, but go back and do some

1919
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 3: work and and figure out who Kate Bush is. She

1920
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 3: is in the words of Millie an ethereal rock bitch.

1921
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I will bare knuckle box you if you don't know

1922
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: who I'm sorry, I box everybody. But also, like I

1923
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: feel like Kate Bush has had I don't know, kind

1924
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: of this like weird resurgence or reappreciation by like the

1925
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: younger generation.

1926
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 2: Almost yes.

1927
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of it is because a

1928
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 3: lot of her songs are sampled now and redone. So

1929
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 3: this woman's work we've already talked about, actually because Maxwell

1930
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 3: did a cover of the song and it was featured

1931
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 3: in Love and Basketball. So but I think a lot

1932
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 3: of people do know who Kate Bush is, but if

1933
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,799
Speaker 3: you don't do yourself a favor, she is a tiny

1934
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 3: weirdo from the UK and I just adore her and

1935
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 3: she was the witchy Godmother of rock and just fantastic.

1936
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 3: So she has this like very high pitched voice and

1937
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 3: she's singing this song and it's all about the perspective

1938
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 3: of being a husband who is on the outside of

1939
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 3: this experience that he's watching his wife go through, and

1940
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 3: the uncertainty of not knowing what's going to happen, but

1941
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 3: you can't do anything about it. So it's really a

1942
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 3: song about helplessness and it's so it's just so beautiful

1943
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 3: this movie. Again, this song was written for the movie,

1944
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 3: but then it was put on her next album, The

1945
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 3: Sensual World. And I just feel like this hospital scene

1946
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 3: has it's just stuck with me over the years. It's

1947
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 3: just one of the most touching and beautiful and sad

1948
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 3: scenes I've ever seen committed to film, especially on the

1949
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 3: heels of this movie that up to this point has

1950
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 3: been mostly a comedy. And there's this one scene in

1951
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 3: particular where Jake is sitting down and he's by himself.

1952
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 3: The rest of the family is across the room. He's

1953
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 3: by himself, sitting down bathed in light, and as he's

1954
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 3: sitting and thinking about what's happening, he goes and flashes

1955
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,759
Speaker 3: back to all of the fun and beautiful and happy

1956
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 3: moments of their life together. So again, this is where

1957
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,600
Speaker 3: this movie, to me takes a real turn. And I

1958
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 3: think part of the reason why I really have always

1959
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 3: loved it is that every scene that you've seen before

1960
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 3: this of them fighting or bickering or you know, not

1961
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 3: have having a good time, as he's actually thinking back

1962
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 3: to it, he remembers the fun of it and the

1963
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 3: joy and the life and how all of that was

1964
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 3: part of building a life together and it wasn't all

1965
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 3: as bad as he was making it out to be, right.

1966
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's almost like in that moment he realized that

1967
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: he had been just so caught up in his own bullshit,

1968
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that he didn't even understand like,

1969
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 1: actually what was happening that now his wife is in danger,

1970
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: their baby's in danger, and he just like doesn't know,

1971
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, what to do? Yeah, because because so much

1972
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: of what I I mean, you know, honestly, we have

1973
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: seen a lot of movies in the world where you

1974
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: see relationships and families and marriages and babies are like

1975
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 1: a guy's perspective, right, So you're like, Okay, here's a

1976
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: guy that's like, oh boy, I'm being dragged in the

1977
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 1: old and I don't you know, how do I feel

1978
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 1: about this and this and that? But I don't know.

1979
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I feel like this movie particularly makes that click moment.

1980
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: It really is emotional for me, Like when you're like, oh,

1981
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: here's a guy who's basically like you know, Spence the

1982
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: first three fourths of the film just being like do

1983
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I want to date other women? Do I want to

1984
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: be a writer? Am I doing that? What am I doing?

1985
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 1: And then all in that moment going like actually, like

1986
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't even fucking matter what my own on WI

1987
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like I just want my wife and

1988
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: my unborn child to be okay. And it's happening to

1989
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: this beautiful song, you know what I mean, where he's

1990
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: sort of like, I mean the message of the song

1991
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 1: to me is basically like look at all this work,

1992
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: like this woman's work, this woman, what she does for

1993
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 1: me and what you know she's doing for our family.

1994
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's emotional. I mean, that's that is the

1995
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 1: difference I think of watching a now versus having seen

1996
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: it in the eighties or the early nineties or whatever

1997
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: I saw it and being like, oh, yeah, it's like

1998
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 1: this is John Hughes movie, but it's not like funny

1999
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: and rollicking, and it's like, oh, it's like a grown

2000
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: up movie. And I don't really know what to think

2001
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 1: about that. But now, you know, obviously means a lot

2002
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: more than I'm older.

2003
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I could not agree more. It is completely

2004
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 3: true that it's it's always that For some reason, that

2005
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 3: scene has always hit me very hard emotionally, but even

2006
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 3: more so now, like you said, as an adult, because

2007
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 3: I just kind of understand more about what John Hughes

2008
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:39,720
Speaker 3: was trying to say about what actually matters and how

2009
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 3: easy it is to get caught up in our own

2010
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 3: bullshit and not focus on the stuff that is right

2011
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 3: in front of your face. Like it's just like Davis

2012
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 3: said in the beginning of the movie, you will be happy,

2013
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 3: you just won't know it. And I think in that moment,

2014
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 3: he knows it. He knows it. He looks back and

2015
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 3: says like, look at all these moments when I was happy,

2016
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 3: but I was so caught up in my on fucking

2017
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 3: head that I couldn't express that to her or even

2018
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 3: to myself. And it's so poignant, and there's, oh, there's

2019
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 3: this one part of the scene. The music is building

2020
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 3: and there's like a single tear that comes from Jake's face,

2021
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 3: and then it cuts to a drop of blood falling

2022
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 3: on the floor in the operating room. And I just

2023
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 3: lose it every time. I lose it every time. One

2024
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 3: thing that was interesting to me now as I kind

2025
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 3: of went back and read some stuff because John Hughes

2026
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 3: died in two thousand and nine, and Kevin Bacon wrote

2027
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 3: something in Entertainment Weekly, and it starts out pretty funny.

2028
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 3: So he says, and I quote leave it to me

2029
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 3: to be in the one John Hughes film that doesn't

2030
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 3: explode at the box office. But then he goes on

2031
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 3: to say, the childbirth sequence with the Cape Bush song,

2032
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:56,959
Speaker 3: this woman's work was so intense. He'd picked that song already,

2033
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 3: so I listened to it again and again and again.

2034
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 3: He'd play it live on the set. I didn't have

2035
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,600
Speaker 3: kids then, so I was basically projecting and trying to

2036
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 3: figure out what that kind of pressure and fear could be.

2037
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,879
Speaker 3: When my son was born, we had a really similar

2038
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 3: situation where the chord was around his neck and they

2039
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:21,719
Speaker 3: moved his wife, Kia Sedgwick from one room to another.

2040
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 3: I mean it was like literally straight out of She's

2041
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 3: having a baby. And the crazy thing was my reaction

2042
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,679
Speaker 3: was so similar. It's such a lame thing to say,

2043
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 3: but it was almost as though I practiced for this

2044
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 3: moment by making this film. I was there going holy shit.

2045
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 3: John Hughes already took me.

2046
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:40,959
Speaker 2: Through this Wow.

2047
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 3: So just the fact that he would play that song

2048
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 3: on the set, that this was part of Kevin Bacon's

2049
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 3: prep as an actor for getting into the emotional part

2050
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:55,799
Speaker 3: of this movie is just, for me a primary example

2051
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 3: of how emotional the song actually is.

2052
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like, this song is so gorgeous, but

2053
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: just the like lyrically like what it's doing. I mean,

2054
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: just the simple title of it. I mean it's like

2055
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: it kind of is a recognition, I think, and that's

2056
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 1: what makes it emotional for me, is just knowing. I mean,

2057
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 1: it was written by a woman, but it's that thing

2058
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 1: of like, oh, here's a song that presents this idea

2059
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 1: that this man is. This is recognizing, you know, this

2060
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: sort of emotional, physical, spiritual load of a woman, right,

2061
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: And that to me is like very emotional like and

2062
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: using in the context of this film, particularly where it

2063
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: is literally a guy who's waiting while something good or

2064
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: bad maybe happening on the other side of you know,

2065
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: the wall or whatever. It's just intense and.

2066
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 3: It's very and it's made to me made more intense

2067
01:46:56,560 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 3: by the fact that this movie is semi autobiograph. Right.

2068
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,919
Speaker 3: And at the end of the film, it's in the credits,

2069
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 3: it says that the inspiration is Nancy Hughes, and I

2070
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 3: feel like it's worthwhile to learn a little bit about

2071
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 3: her because I didn't know a lot of this. So

2072
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 3: Nancy Hughes was born in Chicago in nineteen fifty one,

2073
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 3: and she met John Hughes at Glenbrook North High in

2074
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven, So that is true. That is in

2075
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 3: the movie, and it is true of his life. They

2076
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 3: were married three years later when she was nineteen and

2077
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 3: he was twenty, so again married very young. Just like

2078
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 3: in the movie. John Hughes did work at an advertising agency,

2079
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 3: and they did spend some time in Arizona, and they

2080
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 3: did move back to Chicago, and he credits her with

2081
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 3: being an inspiration for a lot of his work, not

2082
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 3: just this one, but this movie is so autobiographical and

2083
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 3: so personal that it must have really stuck ung for

2084
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 3: him that it didn't do as well as some of

2085
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:08,440
Speaker 3: his other movies. And I read this in her obituary

2086
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 3: because she died in twenty nineteen, and she was she

2087
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 3: just sounded so cool. I don't know how if that's

2088
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 3: lame to say, but basically this is from part of

2089
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 3: her obituary that I read on Legacy dot com. And

2090
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 3: there's also, you know, in the Chicago Tribune. Part of

2091
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 3: her obituary appears there, but this one particular part I

2092
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 3: just thought was so beautiful. So quote set to Kate

2093
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 3: Bush's This Woman's Work, a track personally commissioned by Hughes.

2094
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 3: The sequence exemplifies a moment where music tells a story

2095
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:53,640
Speaker 3: that images alone can't adequately express. It was fitting considering

2096
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 3: Nancy's life was steeped in music, whether songs blasted indoors

2097
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 3: or on pools boomboxes, friends and frustrated neighbors quickly learned

2098
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 3: her favorites. A music lover in high school, she found

2099
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 3: her partner in John, already a seasoned collector of import

2100
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 3: and rare records. Together, they attended an astonishing range of

2101
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 3: rock concerts in the sixties, spent long nights in Chicago,

2102
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 3: blues and reggae clubs in the seventies and eighties, and

2103
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 3: venues across the country and beyond. In the years to come. However,

2104
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 3: listening to music at home remained a priority, as her

2105
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 3: favorite albums were the soundtrack to Marathon card Games. While

2106
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 3: friends of all ages angled for a spot at Nancy's table,

2107
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 3: time was shared not just with family, but with friends

2108
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 3: who stretched back to grade school. Welcome where the black

2109
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 3: sheep of the neighborhood in need of companionship, as well

2110
01:49:55,840 --> 01:50:00,879
Speaker 3: as rising stars of Hollywood in need of stability. Wow,

2111
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 3: I just uh yeah, she just seemed like the coolest

2112
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 3: and I love that. He he said this movie was

2113
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 3: an inspiration, was inspired by Nancy, But it feels like

2114
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 3: it was also, in hindsight for me anyway, a real

2115
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 3: testament to their relationship. So it wasn't just inspired by her.

2116
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 3: I feel like he wrote it for her, Yeah, and

2117
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 3: to kind of showcase how lucky he was to have

2118
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:31,679
Speaker 3: this incredible woman.

2119
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 2: In his life.

2120
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2121
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, she was.

2122
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:40,520
Speaker 3: Just great and she throughout her life was a dedicated philanthropist.

2123
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 3: After he died in two thousand and nine, they had

2124
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 3: a lot of homes, but you know, they lived in Chicago,

2125
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,759
Speaker 3: and she donated one of their homes as a charitable

2126
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:55,639
Speaker 3: gift to the Northwestern Memorial Lake Forest Hospital to help

2127
01:50:55,680 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 3: them build a new hospital. There are tons of buildings

2128
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 3: across and around Chicago named for the Hughes because of Nancy.

2129
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, she was a real inspiration and sounded like

2130
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 3: a very cool woman, and she went through a lot

2131
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 3: to give them a family, and he really honored her.

2132
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:18,560
Speaker 2: I think in this film.

2133
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you, I'm just so glad

2134
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: that you told us all of that, because how many

2135
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 1: podcasts out there are talking about John Hughes and have

2136
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: done so for a long time. Nobody I've not heard

2137
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 1: a podcast about his wife, you know what I mean?

2138
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: And like, thank you for sharing all that because she

2139
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 1: is so important to you know, his life and his work,

2140
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: but also to this film. You know, so just I

2141
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 1: think it's great that you shared all that.

2142
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:53,839
Speaker 3: It's yeah, and I feel like this film deserves fresh

2143
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 3: eyes and a second look. Like it's a fantastic movie.

2144
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 3: It's very funny, it's very provocative and it's incredibly touching,

2145
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 3: and it's a real testament to the reality of a

2146
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 3: relationship and a marriage. And I don't think there are

2147
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 3: enough adult movies that get credit for that.

2148
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:16,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, god, it feels like we don't have

2149
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: adult movies anymore. I know that that's not entirely true,

2150
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: but it kind of is. I mean, you know, obviously,

2151
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 1: like I thought so much about this film, and I,

2152
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 1: like I said, I think some of there's some real hard,

2153
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: elemental truths in this film, not just about him, but

2154
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 1: about her and about like the realities of marriage, like

2155
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 1: with the parents and with money, which is obviously a

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Speaker 1: very uncomfortable thing to talk about, especially like when it

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Speaker 1: comes to money being your value in a marriage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're I mean, I have friends and relatives

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Speaker 1: that that's how they judge a worthy partner, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's tough, and I, like I said, I have

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Speaker 1: you know, in a way I'm shielded from all of

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Speaker 1: that because I'm single, i have no children. But it

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Speaker 1: was a moment where I thought, yeah, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like you do see sort of like the big issues

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Speaker 1: and maybe things that I've avoided in my life, but

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Speaker 1: that still seem really hard, and you know, and there's

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Speaker 1: a part of me that is relieved by something by

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Speaker 1: being single and childless, because I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what this must be like. But then

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Speaker 1: there were also moments where I did think, like, oh God,

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01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: like this partnership and this you know, I appreciated that part.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's like, I think it's harder for

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01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 1: and I think we've talked about this before on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's harder for single people to assert

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Speaker 1: their maturity, yeah, without marriage and children, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's changing. Any movie that provokes those sort of deep

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Speaker 1: thoughts is an interesting one for me. And just the

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Speaker 1: idea that it was such a personal movie for John Hughes,

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Speaker 1: and it was in the fact it was a John

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Speaker 1: Hughes movie. It's just all like, I'm so glad I

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Speaker 1: got to watch it again, as I always say, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I got to watch this again.

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Speaker 2: Me too.

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Speaker 3: And I also, I mean, on top of everything you

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Speaker 3: just said, I feel like I also have a different

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Speaker 3: appreciation for how John Hughes wrote this movie, so he

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Speaker 3: he doesn't write it in that typical way that a

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Speaker 3: lot of people in the eighties tended to write about

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Speaker 3: their marriages or any marriage, which is like I'm cool,

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Speaker 3: my wife's a bitch. Like he really made himself. Even

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01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 3: though he made himself the study of this film, he

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01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 3: did it in a way that felt very real, where

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01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, I was kind of a child

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Speaker 3: in the beginning of our marriage, and I didn't act

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01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 3: I didn't act right. And I just really appreciated that he,

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01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 3: the that grew from, you know, from their early days,

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01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 3: was able to be transformed and they were able to

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Speaker 3: It seems like they were able to kind of really

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Speaker 3: grow together, which a lot of couples don't get to

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01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 3: do anymore, or it's become harder to do.

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Speaker 2: And I just, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just really appreciated that he made himself, that he

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01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 3: centered himself in the movie, but without making himself the hero,

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01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:29,640
Speaker 3: right yep, Because Nancy, Nancy sounds pretty heroic to me,

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01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 3: and I think she sounded like a pretty cool lady

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01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 3: and I was just happy to learn more about her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, me too.

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01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The impetus for this film, which again deserves fresh eyes.

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Speaker 3: I do not think this was John Hughes's worst movie

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01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 3: by far.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's one of his best.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am so glad you picked it. I think

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Speaker 1: in terms of the song, I think you're right. It

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01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 1: is such a huge part of this movie. And now

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Speaker 1: knowing that it was written for the film and you

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01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 1: know it was kind of like played on set. I mean,

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01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's it's a great it's a great

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01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 1: song that's being that's honestly just woven into the fabric

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Speaker 1: of this film. So good choice for this theme.

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Speaker 2: Thanks and good Yes, I like this theme. We should

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Speaker 2: do it again.

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Speaker 1: We should definitely do it again, because I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: I do have more modern choices, Like I my first

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01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: thought will not be Far and Away and you're.

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01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 3: Gonna pick the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles next, you'd be like,

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01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:34,680
Speaker 3: oh yeah.

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01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 2: I love that pizza rat.

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01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 1: We listen, there's a lot of like, oh, my god,

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01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 1: we could go down a road of these like salt

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01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: like movie songs, my God, like Adam. You've already mentioned

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01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: the Adams Family rap. For God's sake, it's the whole world.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 1: But hey, listen, we have to talk about Enya and

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01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:56,760
Speaker 1: Kate Bush on the same episode.

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01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:57,480
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

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01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: My dream?

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01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 3: Talk about modern and Witchery inspired by which four mothers

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01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 3: are Ethereal Rock pitch.

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Speaker 1: We love some Ethereal rock bitches.

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Speaker 3: Well, next week we don't have a new episode, but

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01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 3: we do have a bonus episode coming out on Thursday

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01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 3: the twenty first, so you can listen to that in

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01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 3: our stead And then the week after that, for April

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01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 3: twenty six, we have another new banger of an episode.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to tell them what the movies will be?

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01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 1: Oh? I definitely will whoo Okay, So the movies for

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01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: our next full length episode coming out in a couple weeks.

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01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Notes on a Scandal from two thousand and six and

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Buck from two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I mean truly try to guess the theme.

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Speaker 1: Try just try, and hey listen. If you just want

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01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 1: to email us talk about pretty much anything, we're at

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01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: I saw what you did pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Please send us questions for the bonus episodes. We love

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01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 1: hearing stories about your movie experiences, about your parents sending

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01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: you to camp, and you accidentally watched Body of Evidence

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01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 1: with your friends, like, we want to hear it all,

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01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 1: So email us.

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01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 3: And we also have a po box now so you

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01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 3: can send us stuff if you have letters you want

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01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 3: to send us in person, fine, we'll take them, and

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01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 3: don't forget that. You can find us on our socials

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01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 3: at I saw pod on Instagram and Twitter.

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01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: And we've got merch. I saw what you did March

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01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,560
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Speaker 1: dot com.

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01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 3: And definitely send us your question, send us an email

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01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 3: if you have a particular song that you associate with

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01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 3: a specific movie, like I think we would love to

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01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:53,880
Speaker 3: hear what those are as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would love to hear that. Yes, well, Danielle,

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01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: as always a total fucking pleasure to be here with

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01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: you doing this podcast. I love every second of it.

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Speaker 2: Me too, great picks.

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01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 1: I love movies, I love songs, I love movies. I

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Speaker 1: love bare knuckle boxing.

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01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:15,520
Speaker 3: A you really love barre knuckle bossing all of a sudden,

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01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 3: and I'm into it.

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01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 1: Of course you're into it. Hello.

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01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 3: I just want to see you like eating a chicken

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01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 3: breast with one hand and punch of someone in the

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01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 3: face with the other.

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01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be into slap wall boxing. Maybe that'll do.

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01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do something like that for you. On that note, bye.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly Right production, produced and mixed

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Speaker 3: by Casey O'Brien. Our theme song is by Tom bry Fogel,

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01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 3: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstark,

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01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 3: Caring Kill, Gareth and Danielle Kramer. You can follow us

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Speaker 3: can email us at I Saw What You Did at Gmail.

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