1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go, Here we go on the 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Giants Mob, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Huttle podcast. John Schmoke with you. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: It's all brought to you by PSCNG Energy Efficiency for 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Game Time and anytime is it PSEG dot com slash 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Giants for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments. We're already 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: only today and we're joined by one of the busiest 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: men this time of year. I'll say in the country, 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: what the hell he's lands zero line. We only have 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: them for twenty minutes. I don't want to list all 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: his jobs because it might take up half the show, 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: but he's been kind enough to give us a little 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: bit of time tonight to talk some draft prospects. Here, Lance, 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: hope you're well man. Are you kind of ready for 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: this and to get going or do you still have 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: some hey, some hey out of the barn? Oh no, 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: I still have some work. I might still have. Um 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: let me see, I've got still got about forty five 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: players to write up, but for me, that's like not 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. So um and these are guys, I'm 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out guys who could get drafted. 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: If they get drafted, I have to have a scouting report. 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: So right now I'm just digging around on you know, 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: just trying to chase my ghost list basically and find 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: players who might end up getting drafted. So for me, 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: my heavy lifting is done. It's different now now I'm 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: doing a bunch of TV. Before I was writing up 29 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of draft profiles. Now it's more about you know, 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: it's more about doing the TV hits here and there 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: and and so it's a different kind of busy. Yeah, 32 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: you can find all lenses scouting profiles on NFL dot 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Com and then of course you can see them on 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: NFL Network on pretty much every show that's going on 35 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: in the network at this time to year. And I'm 36 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: sure you're tired of talking about your most recent mock drafts, 37 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: so I promise you Land so this will be the 38 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: only question I ask about it. Bryan, Branch to the Giants, 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: which I personally think, by the way, is excellent value. 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: What was your thinking of giving Branch to the Giants 41 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: at twenty five? Well, I don't you know, I don't 42 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: address the team until I get to them in the process, 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: and I try to think, like each team would I 44 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: do some research on team needs. I'll take a look 45 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: at some you know, players at positions to see whose 46 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: contracts are coming up, and uh, you know, I do 47 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of work on that. Sometimes I'll call 48 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: team sources if I have a source on the team, 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: and just try to dig around. But they're they're a 50 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: little more tight lip now than they used to be. 51 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: But in terms of even getting of even getting team needs, 52 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: which used to be really easy. But um so when 53 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: I got to the Giants, you know, Brian Branch's the 54 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: guy I like a lot. But it's funny because he 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: is considered a safety, but he really played nickel the 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: entire time at alb for much of the time at Alabama, 57 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: and people forget that he can play around the line 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, he can play back, he could play in 59 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: a slot. I mean when I when I got down 60 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: to the Giants, I was looking at wide receiver as 61 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: a position, and and uh, you know that I considered 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: a little bit for the Giants, obviously, and I try 63 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: to look at my best my board of best available. Um, 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: how teams might look at this and when I looked 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: at the Giants, I mean losing Julian Love. It's interesting. 66 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I thought Love was a good corner I liked coming 67 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame. I was surprised he was able 68 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: to make the transition to safety. But when I look 69 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: at Brian Branch, Brian Branch can do even you know, 70 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Brian Branch has some of the talent Julian Loved it 71 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: not the same speed. He's a little a small step 72 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: below speedwise, But I think he is a good cover man. 73 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: He's very instinctive, he's always in the right place, he's 74 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: very tough, he's a good tackler, he can cover. I mean, 75 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: he's just a good football player. He's rarely at a position, 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, you can align him all over 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: the field. So when I looked at you know, when 78 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: I looked at what the Giants need and who they're 79 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: playing what. So ultimately a team needs to say, what 80 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: do we need to do to win a Super Bowl? Well, 81 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: the first thing is you've got to win your division, 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: or try to win your division. Well, that just happens 83 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: to be a pretty tough division. So with Dallas and 84 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: obviously with the Philadelphia Eagles and so I thought, well, 85 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: here's the guy who is smart. He's tough, defendable. He 86 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: can match up with you know, tight ends in the 87 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: in the slot like a Dallas Goddard type he can 88 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: match up. Or he can play down near the line 89 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: of scrimmage to help against the run, like against the 90 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard for example, or maybe spot you know, do 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: some maybe not spine, but you know, handle handle his 92 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: business in terms of keeping an eye on Jalen Hurts. 93 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: He's just a very versatile player, and I thought he's 94 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: uniquely suited to what the Giants are going to need 95 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: in that division. Yeah, and you know Brian Dabe will 96 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: get good intel on him from Nick Saban getting his 97 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: Alabama connections for sure. And everybody's Avin McKinney as safety, 98 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: so get the double Alabama back there too, which you'll work. 99 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned wide receiver was something you were looking at. 100 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: And the reason I like to have Lance on every 101 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: year is that he does his own work. He doesn't 102 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: look at anybody else's stuff. So he has his opinions, 103 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: his grades on these guys, and he sticks to him 104 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: and he is reasoning behind it, and sometimes they're different, 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: which I think is great because I think group think Lances, 106 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, kind of dominates his time a year. No 107 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: one wants to be the outlier and say I think 108 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: it's the third round grain when everyone else has him 109 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: is a one. But I think you do a great 110 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: job of explaining what you think of groups. So let's 111 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: start wide receiver first, because you brought that up as 112 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: a group you're looking after the Giants. How do you 113 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: see this kind of group of wide receivers in the 114 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: first round and kind of how you stack them in 115 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: terms of guys that could work for the Giants at 116 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: twenty five and potentially still be on the board. Sure, 117 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a difficult wide receiver group to to 118 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: project in terms of where they go because I don't 119 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: think there's a true wide receiver one in this draft. 120 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't think when I say that, I just don't 121 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: think there's a guy who's going to be a number 122 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: one for any team. And not only do I not 123 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: think that, I'm pretty certain about that. You got a 124 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: guy who's really good at going vertical and Jalen Hyatt, 125 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: but that twit he does, so you can't ask them 126 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: to do a lot more than that. I mean, so 127 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: for certain teams, like I gave him to the Chargers. 128 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a great fit for the Chargers. I 129 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: think it could be interesting in New York. But I 130 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: don't I don't love that fit for the Giants. I do. 131 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, Jackson Smith and Jigba would be a really 132 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: nice fit. But he's not gonna be there at twenty five. 133 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: And he's a guy who I think is going to 134 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: be a good slot, somebody who can be a high, 135 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: high target type of slot. Where Jalen High it's going 136 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: to be more like a DeShawn Jackson. You got Clinton Johnson, 137 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: who you know. Frankly, I'm a little nervous about him. 138 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I think the hands are suspect. He didn't run as 139 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: fast as people thought the other day. I think he's 140 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: plating fast on tape. But I questioned his consistency of 141 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: competitiveness in game, and we saw some of that against Georgia. 142 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: He just kind of just went away, and so that's 143 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a concern. But he's really great 144 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: after the catch. Now, he could be there for the Giants, 145 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: and I think he would be in consideration for the Giants. 146 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Josh Downes, you know I would if I had to 147 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: stack them I would say probably right now, Jackson Smith 148 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: and Jigba is the safest guy more than likely based 149 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: on who he is and what he does. I think 150 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is right there as well from Austin College. 151 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: And that's another guy if you hadn't taken Wandale Robinson, 152 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, for me, that would be 153 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: a really good pick if he was there, and if 154 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't there, then Josh Downs. Josh Downs is a 155 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver that I'm very high out of North Carolina. 156 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: So an one hundred and seventy one pounds, He's a 157 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: four or four to forty guy, extremely confident. He he runs, 158 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, interestingly enough, one of my comps on him 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: is Kadarius Tony, but in the sense that Cadarius, you know, 160 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: was kind of a freestyle route runner, but he had 161 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: basketball athleticism, and that's what Josh Downs from from North 162 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Carolina has just kind of a very natural pass catcher 163 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: and just basketball athleticism where it's not rigid, it's not predictable, 164 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: it is just a smooth, free flowing movements around the field. 165 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: So I'm a big fan of his. Of Zay Flowers 166 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: is incredibly confident and sticky handed, but those guys are 167 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: a little bit smaller. Jordan Addison. I like Jordan Addison fine. 168 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I think he's a solid slot he once again it's 169 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: in the one seventies, so he's not a big guy either. 170 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: So you have an unusual amount of smaller wide receivers 171 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: or lighter wide receivers who some can play inside outside, 172 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: but typically they're going to, you know, be looked at 173 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: mores as outside receiver or inside receivers. So when you 174 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: talk about the Giants needs, I think Quinton Johnston Quintin 175 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Johnson is one guy that you could see in consideration. 176 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: If he falls there, which I do think is possible, 177 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: I think he could end up where the Giants are 178 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: when they pick. But as I look through everything, I 179 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: just think that the better value is taking a good corner, 180 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: taking a linebacker like a Threw Sanders, and then maybe 181 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: looking at wide receiver in the second or third round, 182 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: because I do think there's some some pretty good value 183 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: with wide receiver position on day two. I don't think 184 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: you look at Day one and say, boy, these guys 185 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: are really really good, these are Tier one guys, and 186 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: then there's a big fall off. I still think you 187 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: can pick and choose, and if you you know, if 188 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: you do your evaluation, if you evaluate properly and you 189 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: know what you're looking at. But as the giants and 190 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: you find exactly what fits your offense, I think you 191 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: can maybe find some help in the second or third round. Well, well, 192 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: let's talk about that, the guys that you could get 193 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: in the second or third round if one of those 194 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: guys don't fit in round one. And I want to 195 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: circle back to Quinton Johnson when we're done with this answer, 196 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: I have another follow up on you for that. You know, 197 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: I think there are some bigger guys you're talking, you know, 198 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Cedric Tillman. I think it is kind of like a 199 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: big possession guy. I really like at Perry. I think 200 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: he's a bigger guy that can you know. I think 201 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: he tracks the ball really well down the field. For example, 202 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: who are some of the other guys you might like 203 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: on day two that wouldn't be those kind of slot 204 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: guys which you know you mentioned Wandell Robinson. They also 205 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: have Sterling Shepard. They also have Paris Campbell. They also 206 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: have Jamison Crowder. So guys that you think can play 207 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: outside a little bit. Well, Number one, I think you 208 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: really hit it right on the head. Cedric Tillman's one 209 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: of my favorite guys, and I think Cedric Tillman for 210 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: me would be somebody I would consider for the Giants 211 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: to twenty five. Personally, I've got him sneaking in the 212 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: back of the first round. A lot of people don't 213 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: realize how dominant he was at times in twenty twenty 214 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: one with a lesser version of Hindon Hooker. He put 215 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: two hundred yards on Georgia and then one hundred and 216 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: fifty two on Alabama, And these are the two teams 217 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: that played for the National Championship. And people sleep on 218 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: him a little bit because you know, he played with 219 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: a high ankle sprain. He had a surgery, the tight 220 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: rope surgery, just so he could get back on the field. 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: So he played it not even close to being one 222 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent. And Jalen Hyatt got a lot of the 223 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: the attention. But the guy who's really more of the NFL, 224 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver that people are really going to 225 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: be looking at in the future, I think is going 226 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: to end up being Seder with Tillman. But we've got 227 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: to see how, you know, how the ankle holds up, 228 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: but I think that's not going to be much of 229 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: a problem. Marvin Mims is a wide receiver who he's 230 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: not big at five ft eleven, but man, he can 231 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: really run and I think he's a guy that can 232 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: play outside for the Giants. Has a lot of vertical 233 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: potential in capabilities you mentioned at Perry. He's one hundred 234 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: percent a guy that I would look at on day two. 235 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan Mingo, Man, I'm a Jonathan Mingo fan. I think 236 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan Mingo is big wide receiver out of out of 237 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: a full miss. It's hard not to look at him 238 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: and start thinking about a J. Brown because they're kind 239 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: of similarly built and similarly competitive. And so Mingo is 240 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: a guy he doesn't have, you know, great play speed, 241 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: but he is a good contested catch winner, which is 242 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: what you want to see. And he can work from 243 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: the slot as well, so if you wanted to get 244 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: big from the slot, you could get big with him. 245 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: So those are you know, and an Elijah Elijah Huggins 246 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: from from Stanford, who is or Elijah Higgins from Stanford. 247 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. He's two hundred and thirty pounds, 248 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: So what he is is He's a big slot aka 249 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: pass catching tight end. Once you get to a certain 250 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: size you and a certain physicality, they can call you 251 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: a pass catching slot basically a big slot, and that's 252 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: what he is. And I think he's a player that 253 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: could be there in round or that could end up 254 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: being um a little bit of a surprise. I mean, 255 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: I was I liked Isaiah Hodgins coming out of Oregon 256 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: State because he was such a competitive catch guy. He 257 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: was just really had tremendous ball skills. Did not have 258 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: the best um pure speed and separation and acceleration, but 259 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: just really knew how to play football and just really 260 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: understood how to how to attack the football. And I 261 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: think I think Higgins has some of that same stuff 262 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: out of Stanford, even though he's not getting a lot 263 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: of attention. Yeah. Also was also his teammate, why Michael 264 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Wilson out there too was a big Michael Wilson's got 265 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: to stay healthy. But he's also a great special teams player, 266 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: really terrific gunner, so that's going to help his draft value. 267 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: Quick follow up on Quinn Johnson that one had to 268 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: come more positions with the here lance. You know, he's 269 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: a weird guy to me. You know, you figure long, 270 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: kind of fast, you know, tall receiver, he should be 271 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: this really good contested catch guy, but you don't see that. 272 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: But then he's a tall, skinny guy, but he's really 273 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: good after the catch, which is usually not the prototypical guy. 274 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: He's just his strength and weaknesses for what his sizes 275 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: is just very odd. And I wonder how teams are 276 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: going to kind of calculate that in their heads when 277 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: they figure out when they want to draft them. You know, 278 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: that's a really good point. It's something I hadn't really considered. 279 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Because so I like to. I like to take gill 280 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: sets outside of this sport and apply them to other sports, 281 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: or take other sports and apply them to football when 282 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I get a chance to, because I think it helps you, 283 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: in terms of context, really contextualize and understand what it 284 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: is you're looking at. So, for example, rebounding is a desire. 285 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: Rebounding is about positioning. It's about putting a body on somebody. 286 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: It's about understanding the angle of the ball coming off 287 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: the rim and having some instincts, and then it's about 288 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: just competitiveness. That's what contested catches. It's nothing more. To me. 289 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: I always look for wide receivers and tight ends with 290 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: basketball backgrounds, because those guys have a natural instinct for 291 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: where to put you on their hip and then how 292 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: to go out and get the ball, whether it's high 293 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: point or out in front of And when I watch 294 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: Quintin Johnson, I don't see a really competitive player from 295 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: a contested catch standpoint. I don't see that. You know, 296 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: when the ball's up, this is mine, I'm going to 297 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: get this, this is my ball. I see it from 298 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,359 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, I see it from Jackson Smith and Jigba 299 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: And to me, that is a really critical Honestly, that 300 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: is just a critical critical trait for wide receiver success 301 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: in my opinion, unless you have just terrific speed, then 302 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: that kind of nullifies the contested catch concerns. But you 303 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: know you're right. But you also make a great point 304 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: in that he is really competitive after the catch, which 305 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: is also you know that that is a competitive trait, 306 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: being being physical, being aggressive, trying to squeeze out every 307 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: yard you can get. A guy like Jalen Hide, for example, 308 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: is almost the zero after the catch if he's got 309 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: to break tackles and make things happen. But when you 310 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: watch Quinton Johnston Quintin Johnson's really getting after it. I 311 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: mean he's not only elusive, but he will break a tackle. 312 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: So in one sense, you have one trait that you 313 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: want to see more competitiveness, and you want to see 314 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: the ability to understand body positioning and really fight like 315 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: hell for the football. But he does that once the 316 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: ball's in his hands. So you know you can dean 317 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: him for one, but you have to give him a 318 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: big plus for the other one because both of them 319 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: are are very important at his position. Any centerre worth 320 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: the squeeze in round one or is that a spot 321 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: that you would prefer to attack later on? In the 322 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: drafted Deer Giants. I'm a huge yeah. I like John 323 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Michael Schmidt's a lot from Minnesota. He knows who he is, 324 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: he knows what he does. I think he's stronger than 325 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: people think. I think he's a guy who can play 326 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: not just outside his own stuff, but can fit into 327 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: any kind of running scheme you want. I think Joe 328 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Tipman a solid out of Ohio State, but probably I 329 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: would wait until I mean Wisconsin, but I would wait 330 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: until the second round. I like Whippler's fine from Ohio State. 331 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm fine with Whippler probably third round, probably later third rounds, 332 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: so it could be a consideration there. And then Ricky 333 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: Stromberg to me, is a kind of a discount version 334 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: a center where you can go find a guy who 335 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily always look the part and can look a 336 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: little sloppy, but he gets guys blocked and he's more 337 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: athletic than people think, and that's probably more like a 338 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: fourth round center out of Arkansas. So for me, I 339 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: think Schmidt went in Cody Mock. If Cody Mock is 340 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: a guy that some people consider a center, he played 341 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: tackle in North Dakota State. He's got short arms. I'd 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: like to see him bend a little bit better if 343 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: he's going to be an interior player, But he could 344 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: actually be a guy that a team could surprise you with, 345 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: even the giants who might surprise you and say, you 346 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: know what, we want a little latitude. He is kind 347 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: of reminiscent of Ryan Jensen from you know, the way 348 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: he plays and the toughness he approaches a position with, 349 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: so he could be one of those surprised the back 350 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: end to one. He wouldn't be for me necessarily, but 351 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: I could see him sneaking in somewhere with somebody who 352 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: just loves the mindset and thinks that he's gonna be 353 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: a long time starter. So I probably wouldn't draft center 354 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: in the first round, but if you did, for me, 355 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: I would take John Michael Schmidt's out of Minnesota corners. 356 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: Top four. I feel like they've become somewhat widely agreed upon, 357 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see if you agree with that. 358 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: You have Gonzales and whatever, are you gonna put him in? Gonzales, Porter, Witherspoon, 359 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: and Banks. Do you think any of those four get 360 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: to the Giants at twenty five? And if they don't, 361 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: is there anyone else you think still on your corner 362 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: board that's worth the pick at twenty five or would 363 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: you just wait at that point? Now, I think all 364 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: four of those guys are gonna be gone. I think 365 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: the top two corners will be gone. Inside of the 366 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: top probably eleven picks. I think there's a chance you 367 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: might see Witherspoon's slide to maybe thirteen fourteen at the latest. 368 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: I think his Zalas ends up going first to Atlanta. 369 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: Witherspoon I think needs to go, you know, Detroit, or 370 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: he could slip just a little bit, not a lot, 371 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: but just a little bit. You know, after that, you 372 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: have I think Dante Banks is gonna be the next 373 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: guy that comes off the board, and he's just such 374 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: an explosive tester. Those guys get pushed up. And then 375 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: Joey Porter, for me, is going to be I had 376 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: him going twenty fourth, but I think he'll be the 377 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: fourth corner after that. And then it gets kind of 378 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: interesting because DJ Turner. I think he's got some really 379 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: good tape. He's fast, he's tough. I think he can 380 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: carry more weight. I talked to a strength coach, and 381 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: he can carry more weight than his list of that 382 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: at one seventy nine. But you know, I'm a fan 383 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: of what got some of the same things that I 384 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: saw from in terms of his mirror and match from 385 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: a tradevious white when he came out of LSU. I 386 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: don't think people talk about DJ. I don't think they're 387 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: talking about DJ enough. I think they should talk about 388 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: it more. I talk to an NFL team and ask 389 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: do you think he could sneak into the first round? 390 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: And they thought about and they said, yeah, you know what, 391 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: there's a chance that he could sneak in there. So 392 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: but it's I think the opinions of these cornerbacks is 393 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: going to get pretty varied once you get outside of 394 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: the top four. I think it's gonna really really vary 395 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: based on scheme fit. So you know, because of that, 396 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: I think teams will be a little more hesitant to 397 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: pull the trigger on cornerback. But I could see the giants, 398 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, depending on what the giants like and what 399 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: they're going to cover it. There's some speed guys, there's 400 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: some longer guys, But I think round two for me 401 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: in Day two with guys like Terrell Smith from Minnesota, 402 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: who I'm a fan of, I mean, you've got some 403 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: You've got some other corners later in the draft that 404 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: I think our value picks two, But I just I 405 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna have the value at cornerback. So 406 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: when I I looked at the board and I consider that. 407 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: But when I saw Brian Branch sitting there, I said, Wow, 408 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: I've got someone who can play some nickel and I've 409 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: got somebody who can fits a safety role. I mean, 410 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: I'll help out the secondary by taking Branch and I'm 411 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, try to push it with the 412 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: fifth cornerback off the board. Yeah, you give me like 413 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: two or three favorite day two or three corners lands 414 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: that you think really fits into that pressman wink Martindale, 415 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: getting your face play a lot of man to man 416 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: defense type of system. Let's see, I'll pull some up here. 417 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: You said day two, you think Day two or even 418 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: like round four if you think, because I know it's 419 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: a really good class. Well so I think Emmanuel Forbes 420 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: if you're okay with how thin he is, he's rail thin, 421 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: he can do it. Terrell Smith out of Minnesota, I 422 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: think can absolutely do that. Juju Brents from Kansas State. 423 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: All three of those guys, and Juju Brents is gonna 424 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: go ahead of I think Forbes and Smith. So Julius Brent, 425 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes, Terrell Smith, Hansmith's got some character stuff, but 426 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. They may pass on him. And a 427 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: guy that's actually getting kind of hot right now I 428 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: think in the process is Tyreech Stevenson. I don't know 429 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: if the Giants. Everyone seems to be bringing him in 430 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: for a private thirty visit. And Tyreech Stevenson from Miami 431 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: as another one with size who's a press only corner. 432 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: You can't play him off. You've got a press, but 433 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: he's somebody with some press too. And if finally Corey 434 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: Trice not real physical, but he is sixty three, he's long. 435 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: He's an incredible test or great short area quickness for 436 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: being six foot three. So he's somebody that you might 437 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: see going round three year rounds four who could also 438 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: fit that role. So there actually is a decent amount 439 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: of cornerbacks with some size in this year's draft. That's 440 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: that's if you want some press man corners. Garrett Williams 441 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: out of Syracuse, you you've got a pretty good selection 442 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: once you get out of the first round. You have 443 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: a great article of talking about position group strengthen the 444 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: draft at NFL dot com. Lance and you mentioned you 445 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: think into your defensive line and I'll coach you here. 446 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: There is enough depth here for teams to find potential 447 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: future starters on Day three, rounds four through seven, well 448 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: after Dexter Lawrence, the Giants don't have Lennard Williams under 449 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: contract after this year, so they're gonna have to fill 450 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: that out a little bit. They run defense last year 451 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: is pretty poor, so who are some of these interior 452 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: defensive linemen on day three that have he excited that 453 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: you think can be future starters. Well, I think Jack 454 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: Lenroy could slip out of the top one hundred picks 455 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: and could end up early Day four, I mean early 456 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: Day three in the fourth round, and he's a defensive 457 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: tackle out of LSU. That would be one. Zack Pickens, 458 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: South Carolina. You know, I'm still the point now where 459 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: I think Jack Pickens may end up going in the 460 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: third round, so he may not slip quite that far. 461 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: Cameron Young from Mississippi State is going to be there 462 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: on Day four, I believe, and he's a player that 463 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: I think can eventually become a future starter. KeAndre Coburn 464 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: from University of Texas as a space eater who's got 465 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: some ability to fit into the rotation, maybe become a 466 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: future starter as well. There's getting Broderick Washington out of 467 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: Western Kentucky. More like a fifth rounder, but he's got 468 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: some good upside. DJ Dale out of Alabama. There's another 469 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: one from the Nick Saban tree the day Ball would 470 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: probably consider. And let's see, Oh, there's a player I 471 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: really like named Kobe Turner. He's not the biggest guy 472 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: at six two and about two ninety, but Kobe Turner 473 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: is someone out of Wake Force that is a real playmaker. 474 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: He's very, very tough and strong, one of the strongest 475 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: pound from pound players in the draft at defensive tackles. 476 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: So if you're okay with a little bit undersize next 477 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: to a space eater. He's the type of guy that 478 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: you can find in the Day three who I think 479 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: is going to really surprise some people. I have two 480 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: more positions lands one a quick fill up on a 481 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: player that I think we're kind of on the same 482 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: page on it. That's Klija Kancy out of Pittsburgh, because 483 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I watch his tape and I say, wow, he's quick 484 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: off the line. He gets a lot of penetration in 485 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: the backfield, but it's almost always using his quickness, a 486 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: lot of swim moves, a lot of overs, things like that. 487 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: He uses the edge. I just and I hate the 488 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald comparison. It's so lazy because when you watched 489 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, it's you know, it's great hand usage, its 490 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: power strength, and you don't really see Cancy win with 491 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: power much at all, and he's not. Just if you 492 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: put them side by side, what they look like at 493 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: the combine, it's like You're looking at two different almost 494 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: species of people. Donald was so much more rocked up 495 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: than Cancy, right, So I guess my question for you 496 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: is that, is Cancy gonna be just a second and 497 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: third down designated a pass rusher. Is he gonna be 498 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: able to develop into a three down lineman? And how 499 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: do you think teams are going to view him versus 500 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: even a guy like at a Bara he was also 501 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: under size, but I think it is a much different 502 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: type of body than Cancy is. Well, so I think 503 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: at a Bar is not in the same class as Cancy. 504 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: To me, Cancy's a much better player the physical, the 505 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: body type stuff. At a Bar, he's got him beat. 506 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: But really the Aaron Donald stuff was stupid. Ed Oliver 507 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: got it and it's stupid right now with Colija Klija, 508 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: Cancy's comp is at Oliver, that's a much better comp Yeah, 509 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean they have very very similar size. Is really 510 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: the only thing that's different to me is Eda Oliver 511 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: had over thirty two inch arms and and Cancy has 512 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: under thirty one inch arms. But he's so quick off 513 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: the snap that hit the arm length. You know, people 514 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: aren't getting into him first anyway, so it doesn't really, 515 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't really play into it for me. I think 516 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: if you sit around, if you spend too much time 517 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: talking about your issues with Cancy and what you think 518 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: he can't do and what his concerns are, you end 519 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: up missing out on what he can do and what 520 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: he does. And I think people are going to talk 521 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: themselves into well, but you know we can't. Hey, if 522 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: you don't play him on first down, I mean I 523 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: think you hit it. What you do is you need 524 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: to have somebody. You need to have some players who 525 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: have some size in front of him. He doesn't play 526 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: on early downs and you get somebody behind the sticks. 527 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: Second and ten, second, nine, second and eight. He's running 528 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: on the field and we're immediately going to give you 529 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: problem because Kalijah Canty is gonna have some I mean, 530 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna have some feast or famine snaps. There's no question. 531 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: If they catch him clean, he's in trouble. But if 532 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: you don't, he's gonna make plays in your backfield. He's 533 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: gonna wreck blocking schemes. And I think when you look 534 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: at the amount you know, once again, now I'm going 535 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: to shift over to baseball. If you look at the 536 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: amount of home runs he can hit versus or strikeouts. 537 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: I'm willing to live with some strikeouts because the home 538 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: runs he hits are going to be significant in terms of, 539 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, getting in the backfield for tackles for losses, 540 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: pressuring the pocket from the interior, which is so very 541 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: valuable in the NFL. So I don't really honestly, I mean, yeah, 542 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: you have to have a plan for him, and I 543 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: don't think it includes being a full time every down 544 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: player all the time. You may get to a point 545 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: where eventually he can as long as you're in the 546 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: right kind of one gapping scheme and you probably play 547 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: him at three technique or maybe you play him on 548 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: the nose tilted nose and you just let him just 549 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: try to Rea havoc up front. Uh see, you need 550 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: to have an idea and a plan for him. But 551 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: once you do, and once you put him in a 552 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: good position, he's going to be too quick for guards 553 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: to block frequently and some centers as well. So I 554 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: think he's I think the juice has worked to squeeze 555 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: on that one, and I think there's value you just 556 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: if you need a starting three technique or a nose 557 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: and you say, man, we really need a starting defensive tackle. Listen, 558 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the exhaust or he's gonna be the 559 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: nitrous that you add to the to the race car. 560 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: He is. He's an accessory that you add that adds 561 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: more performance to your defense. That's what he is. Yeah, 562 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: put him next to Dexter Lawrence that that could be 563 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of scary. Oh, absolutely, And honest with you, I 564 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: think that's actually a pretty good fit. And you're right 565 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: on tape like these guards can't even get two hands 566 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: on him and he's already past their shoulder and he's 567 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: basically clear him. It's unbelievable. I'm with you. I think 568 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: that's fair. All right, last two positions, Glands, We appreciate 569 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: the time. This has been great. Edge you write in 570 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: your position article, if you want one, get one before 571 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: seventy five. But there's gonna be a lot of them 572 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: before seventy five here, So what do you think the 573 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: sweet spot is? Can the Giants get a good one 574 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: of twenty five? You know, Murphy, does he get there? 575 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: Do you like it be Joe Jilari that early or 576 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: do you think that's more of like a pick a 577 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: guy in the fifties, Because there's so many of him 578 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: in that area. You'll eat You'll get a good one 579 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: around two. Yeah, I think that, you know, I would 580 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: look at I don't know if it's a giant style, 581 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: but Will McDonald is a guy that I think you 582 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: might be able to get him to play a little 583 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: bit of off ball linebacker potentially in the future. It's 584 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: not it's not the cleanest bit in the world, but 585 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: both OJILARI. For me, I would not touch him at 586 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty five. I think Will McDonald will eventually go in 587 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: the first round when it's all said and done. But 588 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: once you get to twenty five, Miles Murphy could be there. Uh, 589 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: Keyon White could be there, Keyon White. It's more for 590 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: me like the three four, five techniques yeah, five, Yeah, 591 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: I think so. But you know, he can play. I 592 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: mean he's a very athletic. He has the athletic profile 593 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: of a defenseman. He's just I don't love him from 594 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: a run defense standpoint. His instincts, he just kind of 595 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: loses track of the football. But boy, he is a big, 596 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: strong guy. I think Tuley tweet plot from USC is 597 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: a player that really needs a little bit more attention. 598 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: He makes a lot of players on defense He's very 599 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: smooth dropping in space. He you know, is he does 600 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: have some some rush talent. Is he going to be 601 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: a double digit sack guy. I don't know if he's 602 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: gonna be double digit sack, but I love that he 603 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: can play some hybrid stuff and he can stand up 604 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: in a rush in the A gap, the B gap. 605 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: You can move him around if you have a defensive 606 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: front that you really want to maneuver all over the place. 607 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: Derek Hall is the type of guy that I think 608 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: fit's what you're talking about in Isaiah Fosky. Those are 609 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: guys in the second round that I think have maybe 610 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: a little more value than b J O Jular. I 611 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: think they're gonna end up being a little better players. 612 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: And then if you want to wait until the third round, 613 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: maybe even a fourth round. Isaiah McGuire is a bigger, 614 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: a longer defensive end from Missouri at about two hundred 615 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: and seventy pounds, and then uh kJ Henry has a 616 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: little bit more athletic athletic ability. He's got a little 617 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: juice and a little gain off and people don't really 618 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: talk about him, but it's funny. NFL teams I talked to, 619 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: they like the athletic profile from kJ Henrietta Clemson. So 620 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: those are those are just some of the guys that 621 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I might look at afterwards. But I mean, it keeps going. 622 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: It just depends on what you're what front you're running. 623 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: Mike Morrison of Michigan has some upside. He's still learning 624 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: to play the position. Um DJ Johnson out of Oregon, 625 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, is a very very explosive and powerful, and 626 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: it's just kind of what you're looking for on your 627 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: particular defense because I can give you some big, strong guys. 628 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: I can give us some explosive ones. I can give 629 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: you guys with rush that maybe a little undersize, but 630 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: you can find some you can find some ends in 631 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: this draft. There's there's there's going to be some help. 632 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: My final question, real quick surprise, I still running back 633 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: as your ninth deepest position in this draft. But then 634 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: I had the explanation I thought about. I'm like, you 635 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: know what, Lance has a point. These are are a 636 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of running backs that I really like in this draft, Lance, 637 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: But I don't think there are many, aside for maybe 638 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: Bijean Robinson and Zach Charbonnet, that you would say, all right, 639 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: you're my workhorse and not that NFL teams really do 640 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: this anymore anyway, right, and you're gonna run an eighteen 641 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: twenty times a game. But I do think if you're 642 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: looking for role players are running back, whether it's a 643 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: two down guy like a Roshan Johnson or a third 644 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: down guy like a Taiji Spears, that can really impact 645 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: the game. I think you can get him into the 646 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: fifth round in this trap, don't you. Yeah? I do. 647 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: And number one, it's all we all know the position, 648 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: it's been devalued. But the other thing is you look 649 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: at where Damian Spears. Damien Pierce went last year out 650 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: of Florida. He was early in the fourth round. The 651 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: Texans grabbed him and he had some really terrific tape. 652 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: Did not have heavy workload, so you know that was 653 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: a big bonus going for him as well, and he 654 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: went early in the fourth round. I think Israel Abnakanda 655 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: from Pitt is somebody to really keep your eye on. 656 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: I think this is a guy who is going to 657 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: surprise a lot of people. He's very fast, he's very explosive, 658 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: can hit some real home you know, as can be 659 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: a real home run hitter. He's got to keep an 660 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: eye on. Zach Evans has some character stuff in his 661 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: background which could cause him to fall, but he is. 662 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: He is big and physical and fast, and so he's 663 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: another guy that you know, I think in most drafts 664 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: he would be second round, but I'm curious to see 665 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: where he goes in this year's draft. You mentioned Charbonnet 666 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: is a guy who has some workhorse potential to him, 667 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: kind of you know, I mean, you just he needs 668 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: to be in a very specific offense. So he needs 669 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: to be I think in a downhill Dott and I 670 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: formation where he gets to get the legs going. I 671 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: don't think you want him in a lot of shotgun 672 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: stuff playing offset because it doesn't allow him to get 673 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the legs going downhill. Take Bigsby running back out of 674 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: out of Auburn, who people do not I don't think 675 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: they talk enough about. Take Biggsby either. He's got some 676 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: power and he's got some elusiveness. And then you have 677 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, Kendra Miller. I'm not as big on the TCU, 678 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: but there are people who really really like him. Roshan, 679 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, has some some workhorse to him. But 680 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: there are guys like Dwayne McBride from UAB who are 681 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: really really talented. Mohammed Ibrahim, who is as physical as 682 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: they come. You watch the game in twenty twenty one. 683 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: What he did Ohio State before he tores acl Wow. 684 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: And then you look at him this year. They would 685 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: give the ball to him thirty times and he didn't 686 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: even blink, just missed. Just that Minnesota would just pound 687 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: on people, pound on people. I mean, he'd be a 688 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: great one. And for the Giants, you say, okay, we're 689 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: gonna take out sae Quon and now we're coming at 690 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: you with Ibrahim, who we get in the fifth round 691 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: and we're just gonna batter you now in the fourth quarter. 692 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of guy you kind of 693 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of like. But then Taiji Spears, 694 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Taiji spears to me, has that if 695 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: your guy goes out, Taiji spears as now all of 696 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, taking twenty, you know, getting seventeen to twenty 697 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: carries a game and he's not even he's not blinking. 698 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he can handle that just fine. And 699 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: then if you want, you know, Jamire Gibbs gives you 700 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: matchup issues if you want to. Really he's kind of 701 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: like the Kalijah cancy of the offense. He is going 702 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: to supercharge your offense. Davan A. Chain has some of 703 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: the same things out of Texas A and M. I 704 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: think he'll be available either late third or even into 705 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: the fourth round. So and Doue Spawn dou Spawn, you're 706 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: gonna be able to get some time in a fifth 707 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: or sixth round because of the size and he's small, 708 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: but he's as tough as they come, and he's really 709 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: really versatile as well. So it's a fun wider. It's 710 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: a fun, fun running back draft. It's just kind of 711 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: a niche running back draft. I don't see big time 712 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: number one dudes in it, but I see I see 713 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: some guys who are really going to help you from 714 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: a depth standpoint. Lensyline NFL dot Com. Watch him on 715 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: the NFL Network, Listen to him on prospect of pros 716 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: with Dame Brugler on the Athletic Dames in front of 717 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: the program. Lands really appreciated time. I know he went 718 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: a little bit longer than I promised. I apologize for that. 719 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: Hope I didn't can enjoy your final three weeks leading 720 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: up to the draft. Then it's a blast. Enjoy your 721 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: work a whole lot, and we'll talk to you soon. Right, okay, 722 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks Man Lands your line joining us on 723 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: the Johns Tottle Podcast. We'll see you next time.